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Plano City Council Votes to Advance DART Withdrawal Referendum – November 5, 2025

City Council — Wednesday, November 5, 2025
BodyPlano, Texas
SessionCity Council
DateWednesday, November 5, 2025
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Speaker 1

0:02

Ladies and gentlemen.

0:04

I now declare the Plano City Councils convened in the special called session that all council members are present.

Unassigned speaker

0:14

I

Speaker 1

0:14

don't have a gavel, so I apologize.

0:17

We'll begin the meeting with a presentation from Andrew Fortune, Director of Policy and Government Relations.

0:25

Andrew

Speaker 2

0:32

Fortune, Director of Policy and Government Relations.

0:36

This evening we're here to talk about uh transit in Plano.

0:40

Um a few facts uh both for both you and the community.

0:43

From its inception in uh to 2025, Plano has contributed over 2.2 billion to DART.

0:49

Plano's sales tax contribution to DART is now uh but well over 120 million a year, more than Plano spends on police and economic development combined.

0:59

Tonight, council were will consider empowering Plano citizens to answer the question should DART continue as Plano's transit partner.

1:07

Now I should emphasize you know, Plano has a long history of being committed to transit.

1:12

Um Plano City Council has identified serious concerns related to service, safety, reliability, transparency, and financial management.

1:20

We've highlighted those in previous legislative sessions and efforts, and we've attempted reforms.

1:27

Um now, in terms of Plano's engagement, while I realize many among uh the council are aware of the different proposals we put forward, we wanted to make sure the community knew where Plano has engaged and and how we have in terms of proposals over the years.

1:41

And so prior to this last legislative session, um Plano actually met with DART leadership after identifying that there were some concerns uh related to inequity of funding to negotiate a general mobility program, uh term I think most are familiar with at this point, the idea that uh funding could be returned back for general transportation purposes.

2:04

Now that was considered there were concerns from the Dart Board that was time bound because we were looking at a legislative session that was about to start, um, and ultimately uh there was no action taken by the DART board um prior to the bill filing.

2:19

Um and so we moved forward.

2:20

Um we we had a 25% general mobility program.

2:23

We we sought to advance again to look at changing and reforming the 42-year-old system.

2:29

Um during the legislative session, as often happens, we were asked to come to the table by legislators and the House uh transportation chair to offer a compromise.

2:38

Plano did so.

2:39

Uh we offered a phased in glide path uh to reach that 25 percent.

2:43

Um unfortunately that was not accepted.

2:46

Um, and so as we moved forward, um you know we've continued to see the inequity.

2:51

We've we've not seen progress from a staff perspective that we're comfortable with yet.

2:57

Um, as of Monday, uh the mayor, myself, and the city manager met with uh Chair Bryant and we proposed a rail-only solution with a 50 percent uh general mobility program.

3:09

So, you know, it's important to note that we do remain engaged regardless of what the outcome is this evening.

3:15

Um so we are at the table currently with DART and all the other 13 member cities with the North Texas Commission and the Council of Governments looking for a way to reform the current system.

3:26

Again, consistent with what we've been doing up to this point.

3:29

Um, in terms of withdrawal elections, uh, for those who are not familiar with that process, um, should you move forward this evening?

3:36

Council does have up until 45 days before May to rescind the call.

3:42

Um, and so uh should that be the will of the council this evening, um we we move forward to add that to the ballot, and DART comes forward with a proposal that that fixes the concerns of safety, reliability, transparency, financial inequity.

3:56

That is an option that is available to you as a body.

4:02

So, real quick, again, as I mentioned, we have been working with Dart and trying to understand our investment and looking to reform the system for a number of years.

4:11

And so the timeline there for both you and the community shows you the initial return on investment requests.

4:17

You know, we're putting in a significant amount of tax dollars.

4:20

What are we getting in return?

4:21

That was made in 2020.

4:23

Um, in the first legislative session where this issue came up, um, there was an attempt to compel that, um, like many data and audit reporting uh requirements.

4:34

That was pulled down during that session uh with the promises that Plano would receive the information that we had asked

Unassigned speaker

4:39

for.

Speaker 2

4:40

Um, unfortunately, in 2022, we received what we largely believed uh largely believed to be a qualitative analysis on really the benefits of transit.

4:48

It didn't get to the heart of the question on where are the dollars being spent that we've invested in Plano.

4:54

Um, another study was done.

Unassigned speaker

4:56

Uh again, it was using some methodology that that we we and legislators had questions about.

Speaker 2

5:02

And so we moved forward in the 88th Texas legislative session and filed a Senate Bill of 1370.

5:08

Once again, to try and compel information about a return on investment to better understand.

5:14

Again, that while that passed the Senate, it did die in the House with the instruction to go home and work it out here locally.

5:20

And so the city advanced conversations with other cities about looking at transit as a region with transit 2.0 in the COG.

5:29

But more specifically, DART did engage in an inner independent study through Ernst and Young.

5:37

So EY, a world-renowned firm, conducted a study looking at 2023.

5:42

The results are there on the screen, as probably not new to many of you.

5:46

But that study, while independently commissioned, it was conducted without DART staff or board members' input.

5:54

It did highlight significant disparities.

5:56

And so you see there, Plano being one of the largest, where we put in 109.6 million in 2023, and only 44.6 million was spent in the city of Plano, not even 50 cents on the dollar.

6:09

And we realize it's not always a dollar in, dollar out kind of system, but to be the second largest payer and to see that gross of an inequity was rightfully so a cause for alarm.

Unassigned speaker

6:21

So

Speaker 2

6:21

back to the journey.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Public Transit█████████████████████████████████████████████70%
Public Engagement███████11%
Public Safety█████7%
Economic Development███4%
Procedural███4%
Affordable Housing█1%
Disability Rights█1%
Legislative Process█1%
Transportation Safety█1%
Summary of Proceedings

Plano City Council Special Meeting on DART Withdrawal Election – November 5, 2025

At a special called session on November 5, 2025, the Plano City Council unanimously voted 8‑0 to place a referendum on the May 2026 ballot asking Plano voters whether the city should withdraw from the Dallas Area Rapid Transit (DART) system. The decision followed a presentation from city staff, extensive public testimony, and council deliberation. The council also directed staff to begin planning for a potential alternative transit system and to form a citizen advisory committee to guide the process.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • DART CEO Nadine Lee stated that DART has worked in good faith, authorizing a $28 million general mobility program, expanding GoLink zones to cover all of Plano, and approving a legacy circulator. She noted DART has invested over $110 million in safety and reliability improvements, with crime down double digits and net promoter scores up 40 points.
  • DART Board Chair Randall Bryant (Dallas) urged continued negotiation, warning that the withdrawal vote would undermine compromise and harm regional collaboration.
  • Former DART Board Chair Gary Slagle (Richardson) highlighted ongoing regional transit planning efforts through the North Texas Council of Governments.
  • State Representative Venton Jones (Dallas) said the legislative session earlier in 2025 showed bipartisan support for local resolution and asked the council to seek a “win‑win” rather than pursue withdrawal.
  • Majority of 100+ public speakers (many from Plano, some from other cities) opposed the withdrawal election. Key concerns included:
    • Disabled, elderly, and low‑income residents rely on DART for medical appointments, work, and independence.
    • Microtransit alternatives (e.g., Via, Uber) were described as unreliable, especially for fixed schedules and during peak hours.
    • The Silver Line just opened (two stations in Plano) and withdrawal would jeopardize investment and regional connectivity.
    • DART’s Ernst & Young study showing a $65 million gap in 2023 was criticized as incomplete, ignoring the Silver Line and economic development benefits.
    • Speakers urged continued negotiation and forming a task force rather than an abrupt election.
  • A minority of speakers supported calling the election, citing financial inequity (Plano pays $120+ million/year but receives only ∼$45 million in direct services), empty buses, and governance concerns (Dallas holds a majority board). Some argued the one‑cent sales tax model is outdated and Plano could create a more responsive system.

Discussion Items

  • Presentation by Andrew Fortune, Director of Policy and Government Relations:
    • Plano has contributed over $2.2 billion to DART since 1983; annual contribution exceeds $120 million (more than police and economic development combined).
    • 2023 Ernst & Young independent study found Plano contributed $109.6 million but only $44.6 million was spent in Plano—a $65 million gap.
    • Past reform efforts include requests for a 25% general mobility program, legislative bills (SB 1370 in 2023), and a recent 50% rail‑only proposal. DART offered a 5% program with added restrictions.
    • Staff recommends continuity of service: an alternative microtransit/paratransit system could be implemented months before a potential May 2026 vote, funded partly by a budgeted $4 million and matching funds.
    • A citywide zone could reduce transfers and serve unserved areas (e.g., George Bush Tollway corridors). The city could also contract with DART for rail access if voters approve withdrawal.
  • Council Questions and Deliberation:
    • Several council members expressed frustration with years of negotiations yielding little change in DART’s governance, service equity, and safety concerns.
    • Concerns were raised about protecting vulnerable populations (disabled, seniors, low‑income) during any transition, and ensuring a plan is in place before the vote.
    • Councilmember LaBon noted Plano pays $65.50 per boarding (based on $131 million ÷ 2 million boardings) and argued the system needs reform.
    • Councilmember Cantanilla asked whether the Silver Line could be preserved; staff replied that after withdrawal, service stops per state law but contracting with DART for rail may be possible.
    • Councilmember Horn emphasized that the one‑cent model has led to a growing contribution without proportional service improvements (from $86 million in 2020 to $131 million projected for 2025).

Key Outcomes

  • Vote (8‑0): The council approved an ordinance ordering a referendum on May 2, 2026, asking Plano voters: "Shall the City of Plano continue participating in the Dallas Area Rapid Transit system?"
  • Directive to City Manager: Staff was instructed to immediately begin developing a community engagement process, form a citizen transit advisory committee, research and price alternative transit models (microtransit, contracted rail, paratransit), and work toward a potential implementation plan before the election.
  • Council’s stated intent: The vote does not constitute a withdrawal; it simply gives Plano residents the final decision. The council emphasized that ongoing negotiations with DART will continue, and the ordinance can be rescinded up to 45 days before the election if a satisfactory agreement is reached.

Meeting Transcript

Ladies and gentlemen. I now declare the Plano City Councils convened in the special called session that all council members are present. I don't have a gavel, so I apologize. We'll begin the meeting with a presentation from Andrew Fortune, Director of Policy and Government Relations. Andrew Fortune, Director of Policy and Government Relations. This evening we're here to talk about uh transit in Plano. Um a few facts uh both for both you and the community. From its inception in uh to 2025, Plano has contributed over 2.2 billion to DART. Plano's sales tax contribution to DART is now uh but well over 120 million a year, more than Plano spends on police and economic development combined. Tonight, council were will consider empowering Plano citizens to answer the question should DART continue as Plano's transit partner. Now I should emphasize you know, Plano has a long history of being committed to transit. Um Plano City Council has identified serious concerns related to service, safety, reliability, transparency, and financial management. We've highlighted those in previous legislative sessions and efforts, and we've attempted reforms. Um now, in terms of Plano's engagement, while I realize many among uh the council are aware of the different proposals we put forward, we wanted to make sure the community knew where Plano has engaged and and how we have in terms of proposals over the years. And so prior to this last legislative session, um Plano actually met with DART leadership after identifying that there were some concerns uh related to inequity of funding to negotiate a general mobility program, uh term I think most are familiar with at this point, the idea that uh funding could be returned back for general transportation purposes. Now that was considered there were concerns from the Dart Board that was time bound because we were looking at a legislative session that was about to start, um, and ultimately uh there was no action taken by the DART board um prior to the bill filing. Um and so we moved forward. Um we we had a 25% general mobility program. We we sought to advance again to look at changing and reforming the 42-year-old system. Um during the legislative session, as often happens, we were asked to come to the table by legislators and the House uh transportation chair to offer a compromise. Plano did so. Uh we offered a phased in glide path uh to reach that 25 percent. Um unfortunately that was not accepted. Um, and so as we moved forward, um you know we've continued to see the inequity. We've we've not seen progress from a staff perspective that we're comfortable with yet. Um, as of Monday, uh the mayor, myself, and the city manager met with uh Chair Bryant and we proposed a rail-only solution with a 50 percent uh general mobility program. So, you know, it's important to note that we do remain engaged regardless of what the outcome is this evening. Um so we are at the table currently with DART and all the other 13 member cities with the North Texas Commission and the Council of Governments looking for a way to reform the current system. Again, consistent with what we've been doing up to this point. Um, in terms of withdrawal elections, uh, for those who are not familiar with that process, um, should you move forward this evening? Council does have up until 45 days before May to rescind the call. Um, and so uh should that be the will of the council this evening, um we we move forward to add that to the ballot, and DART comes forward with a proposal that that fixes the concerns of safety, reliability, transparency, financial inequity. That is an option that is available to you as a body. So, real quick, again, as I mentioned, we have been working with Dart and trying to understand our investment and looking to reform the system for a number of years. And so the timeline there for both you and the community shows you the initial return on investment requests. You know, we're putting in a significant amount of tax dollars. What are we getting in return? That was made in 2020. Um, in the first legislative session where this issue came up, um, there was an attempt to compel that, um, like many data and audit reporting uh requirements. That was pulled down during that session uh with the promises that Plano would receive the information that we had asked for. Um, unfortunately, in 2022, we received what we largely believed uh largely believed to be a qualitative analysis on really the benefits of transit. It didn't get to the heart of the question on where are the dollars being spent that we've invested in Plano. Um, another study was done. Uh again, it was using some methodology that that we we and legislators had questions about. And so we moved forward in the 88th Texas legislative session and filed a Senate Bill of 1370. Once again, to try and compel information about a return on investment to better understand. Again, that while that passed the Senate, it did die in the House with the instruction to go home and work it out here locally.

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