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Plano City Council Meeting - November 10, 2025: Arapahoe Gymnastics Program Update and Sunset Decision

City Council — Monday, November 10, 2025
BodyPlano, Texas
SessionCity Council
DateMonday, November 10, 2025
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Unassigned speaker

0:04

I

Speaker 1

0:04

now declare the Plano City Council is convened in open session that all council members are present.

0:10

The council will now recess into executive session in training room A to hold a closed executive meeting pursuant to the provisions of Vernon's Texas Codes, annotated government code, Chapter 551, the Open Meetings Act in accordance with the authority contained in Section 551071 to consult with the attorney to receive legal advice and discuss litigation.

0:33

Section 551087 to discuss economic development matters and Section 551.72 to discuss real estate matters.

0:44

Thank

Unassigned speaker

0:44

you.

Speaker 1

1:00

Our first item on the preliminary agenda is consideration and action resulting from the executive session.

1:07

Our next item is Plano Arabat program update.

1:14

Dr.

1:14

Susie Hergenreiter.

1:19

Welcome.

Speaker 2

1:25

And is you Hergenraider, Assistant Director over Recreation.

1:32

I'm here today to just give you an update on the Arabatz gymnastics program.

Unassigned speaker

1:41

The

Speaker 2

1:41

Plano Arabas Gymnastics.

1:46

There we go.

1:48

Began in 1976 out at Weatherford Elementary School in their gymnasium, believe it or

Unassigned speaker

1:54

not.

Speaker 2

1:55

And in 1990, when Carpenter Park Recreation Center was built, the program received a space of its own.

2:02

And then again, when Oak Point Recreation Center was built, the program expanded to two gyms.

2:09

During that time, we averaged about six to seven hundred gymnasts in the program.

Unassigned speaker

2:15

We

Speaker 2

2:15

also had a waiting list of about a year to get into the program.

2:18

So it's very profitable and very healthy program at that time.

2:25

Today's environment is very different since then.

2:38

Other than the Plano Arabats, there is only one other competitive gymnastics program that is part of a municipal program, and that's Richardson Gymnastics.

2:56

So as you can see by this map here, there are roughly 17 competitive clubs in the Plano and surrounding city area.

3:17

In our efforts to minimize financial losses, we eliminated a full-time coaching position through attrition in 2020.

3:26

And then in 2023, we consolidated the program to one gym only.

3:40

So we explored some additional options to keep the program afloat.

3:46

However, none were sustainable.

4:03

Effective October 31st, giving team members the opportunity to secure a place at another private gym in time for the competitive season that begins in January.

4:15

After receiving lots of feedback from uh participants indicating that they wanted and needed more time, we were advised to keep the program operating at Oak Point Recreation Center through May of 2026.

4:30

The response from the community has been very positive and appreciative.

4:39

Given the large number of competitive as well as non-competitive gymnastics clubs in the Plano and surrounding communities, and the fact that we are held responsible for covering full cost recovery within the rec revolving fund.

Unassigned speaker

4:54

Our plan is to sunset the program May 31st, 2026, and consider alternative uses for this space.

Speaker 2

5:04

And that is all I have, and happy to answer any questions you might

Unassigned speaker

5:08

have.

Speaker 1

5:10

Any questions for Susie?

5:15

Councilmember Levine.

Speaker 3

5:18

Susie, could you give us an idea of what some of those alternative uses for the space might uh entail and uh whether they would have uh revenue implications?

Speaker 2

5:30

Yes, so we could potentially um lease that space out to that that was brought up during this discussion, we could lease this out to a private gym, um, and that would generate revenue.

Unassigned speaker

5:47

Uh

Speaker 2

5:47

so a gymnastics program would operate in that space.

5:52

We could um clear the space and make it more of a multi-use court space.

6:00

We have a lot of demand in our gymnasiums for pickleball, table tennis,

Unassigned speaker

6:05

uh

Speaker 2

6:05

badminton volleyball, and that would be a large enough space with a high enough ceiling to accommodate more of that.

6:12

Uh we could continue to run just six or eight-week type gymnastics classes, not a team, um, but one that would generate more revenue that way.

6:24

Uh a competitive program typically costs us money, whereas um just regular gymnastics classes earn us revenue.

Speaker 3

6:33

And and does the city own the the various pieces of apparatus uh that are used there?

Speaker 2

6:40

We do, yes.

Speaker 3

6:44

Thank

Unassigned speaker

6:44

you.

Speaker 1

6:49

Deputy Mayor Pro Tem.

Unassigned speaker

6:51

Thank

Speaker 4

6:51

you, Susie.

6:52

I appreciate you guys um working with the situation.

6:55

I know it was you know delicate with so many young people affected and their things that they're passionate about, so I'm glad that we were able to accommodate them.

7:05

And um, I just want to for the record say that I would love to uh make sure we're exploring ways to keep gymnastics as something that's available to our community.

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Summary of Proceedings

Plano City Council Meeting - November 10, 2025

The Plano City Council convened on November 10, 2025, to first recess into executive session to discuss legal, economic development, and real estate matters. Upon reconvening, the main discussion item was an update on the Plano Arabat (Arapahoe) Gymnastics program, which the city plans to sunset by May 31, 2026, due to sustained financial losses and the availability of many private gymnastics clubs in the area.

Executive Session

The council recessed into a closed executive session in Training Room A to consult with the attorney, discuss litigation, economic development, and real estate matters, as authorized by the Texas Open Meetings Act (Sections 551.071, 551.087, and 551.072). No action was reported following the session.

Discussion Items

  • Plano Arabat Gymnastics Program Update: Dr. Susie Hergenreiter, Assistant Director over Recreation, presented the history and current status of the program. The program began in 1976 at Weatherford Elementary School, moved to Carpenter Park in 1990, and expanded to Oak Point in later years. Previously averaging 600-700 gymnasts with a year-long waitlist, the program now faces competition from 17 other private clubs in the Plano area. To reduce losses, the city eliminated a full-time coaching position in 2020 and consolidated to one gym in 2023. Despite exploring sustainable options, the decision was made on October 3, 2025, to discontinue the program effective October 31, 2025, but after feedback from participants, the timeline was extended to May 31, 2026, to allow families to find placement at other gyms before the competitive season starts in January.
  • Alternative Uses for the Gym Space: Dr. Hergenreiter outlined potential uses including leasing the space to a private gymnastics club (generating revenue), converting it to a multi-use court for pickleball, table tennis, badminton, or volleyball, or continuing non-competitive gymnastics classes (six- to eight-week sessions) that are profitable, as competitive programs are a cost center. Councilmember Levine asked about revenue implications and noted the city owns the gymnastics apparatus.
  • Councilmember Feedback: Deputy Mayor Pro Tem expressed appreciation for accommodating families and urged exploring options to keep gymnastics accessible to the community, particularly for affordable birthday parties and non-competitive participants. Councilmember Kentania asked about the timeline and communication process, noting she learned about the decision from emails and residents. Dr. Hergenreiter explained that the decision was made by city staff after observing a long-term downward trend, and that they informed city leadership. She acknowledged that better advance communication to council members would be helpful in the future.

Key Outcomes

  • Program Sunset Extended: The Plano Arabat Gymnastics program will continue operating at Oak Point Recreation Center through May 31, 2026, instead of ending October 31, 2025, to give participants more time to transition.
  • Future Space Decisions: The council directed staff to consider alternative uses for the gym space, with emphasis on revenue generation and community benefit. Staff will explore leasing, multi-use court conversion, or offering non-competitive classes.
  • Lessons Learned: Councilmember Kentania emphasized the need for earlier communication to council members about program changes. The council will take this into account for future decisions.

Note: The meeting adjourned to recess at 7:00 PM after addressing consent agenda items (no details provided).

Meeting Transcript

I now declare the Plano City Council is convened in open session that all council members are present. The council will now recess into executive session in training room A to hold a closed executive meeting pursuant to the provisions of Vernon's Texas Codes, annotated government code, Chapter 551, the Open Meetings Act in accordance with the authority contained in Section 551071 to consult with the attorney to receive legal advice and discuss litigation. Section 551087 to discuss economic development matters and Section 551.72 to discuss real estate matters. Thank you. Our first item on the preliminary agenda is consideration and action resulting from the executive session. Our next item is Plano Arabat program update. Dr. Susie Hergenreiter. Welcome. And is you Hergenraider, Assistant Director over Recreation. I'm here today to just give you an update on the Arabatz gymnastics program. The Plano Arabas Gymnastics. There we go. Began in 1976 out at Weatherford Elementary School in their gymnasium, believe it or not. And in 1990, when Carpenter Park Recreation Center was built, the program received a space of its own. And then again, when Oak Point Recreation Center was built, the program expanded to two gyms. During that time, we averaged about six to seven hundred gymnasts in the program. We also had a waiting list of about a year to get into the program. So it's very profitable and very healthy program at that time. Today's environment is very different since then. Other than the Plano Arabats, there is only one other competitive gymnastics program that is part of a municipal program, and that's Richardson Gymnastics. So as you can see by this map here, there are roughly 17 competitive clubs in the Plano and surrounding city area. In our efforts to minimize financial losses, we eliminated a full-time coaching position through attrition in 2020. And then in 2023, we consolidated the program to one gym only. So we explored some additional options to keep the program afloat. However, none were sustainable. Effective October 31st, giving team members the opportunity to secure a place at another private gym in time for the competitive season that begins in January. After receiving lots of feedback from uh participants indicating that they wanted and needed more time, we were advised to keep the program operating at Oak Point Recreation Center through May of 2026. The response from the community has been very positive and appreciative. Given the large number of competitive as well as non-competitive gymnastics clubs in the Plano and surrounding communities, and the fact that we are held responsible for covering full cost recovery within the rec revolving fund. Our plan is to sunset the program May 31st, 2026, and consider alternative uses for this space. And that is all I have, and happy to answer any questions you might have. Any questions for Susie? Councilmember Levine. Susie, could you give us an idea of what some of those alternative uses for the space might uh entail and uh whether they would have uh revenue implications? Yes, so we could potentially um lease that space out to that that was brought up during this discussion, we could lease this out to a private gym, um, and that would generate revenue. Uh so a gymnastics program would operate in that space. We could um clear the space and make it more of a multi-use court space. We have a lot of demand in our gymnasiums for pickleball, table tennis, uh badminton volleyball, and that would be a large enough space with a high enough ceiling to accommodate more of that. Uh we could continue to run just six or eight-week type gymnastics classes, not a team, um, but one that would generate more revenue that way. Uh a competitive program typically costs us money, whereas um just regular gymnastics classes earn us revenue.

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