Yeah, we just need to render awesome.

Excellent.

So my name is one from Word Three.

I am fun to order the North Main Street Askboard.

Can we please call roll?

Chair Angela.

Here.

Vice Chairman again.

Here.

Lieutenant Brown.

Here.

Maritha Lilith is absent.

Rachel Peterson is absent.

Peter Camera is absent.

Thomas Batway is absent.

Miss Lance?

Here.

Near soon Raymond is absent.

Rosie Jazzwell.

Here.

We have seven present and five absent.

We have a porn.

Awesome.

Thank you.

So thank you, Peter, for being here with us.

And as always, we're joined by our amazing clerk.

So thank you guys for being here.

And our friend of the solicitor's office, Leah Wheelers.

Thank you for being here.

So our first.

Oh, actually, can we do the thing we'll go around and say our name out loud just because uh there are people who sometimes want to really see our new tags as well?

So you can just say your name and then who you represent or what you represent is all over three uh chairperson of the task force.

Sarah Engle with Gripta.

Needers of Providence Traffic Engineering.

Jess Lance, Director of Special Projects for the Planning Department.

Leonard's Law Department.

I will go battle, City Council.

Carissa Capaldi, City Clerk's Office.

Claire Gerard, City Clerk Department.

And Rosie Javel and the Green Street Advisory Council representative.

Jamie Levian with the Robin Streets Coalition, also Vice Chair of the Bus Force.

Yay.

Okay.

Do I need a motion to take two out of order?

And we should.

Okay.

Because our um our friend for number one is not yet arrived.

Um, I would like a motion to take uh number two out of order and start there.

And that motion, please.

Uh motion made second.

All in favor.

Excellent.

Any of the posts.

Okay, cool.

Um, well, I'm really excited because number two is a discussion with the province music report, and we have Elizabeth that is the point administrator here with us today, who is fantastic.

And I'm so we was like, and um uh, thank you so much for being here.

So if you want to join us at the table, Elizabeth and I and have talked a bit about North Maine and um some of the things we're seeing at the court, and then also some things that Elizabeth has seen with her very own eyes because she spends time on North Maine.

And uh she was just gonna um share a little bit and then be open to questions.

She's watched some of our meetings and seen some of the questions we have.

Um so I'll stop talking and Elizabeth is amazing.

And if um Chief Judge Limardi is watching, I just wanted to know she's a gem and we appreciate her.

Thank you.

I appreciate that.

Um so my name's Elizabeth, I'm the court administrator, and I also unofficially kind of spearhead our cameras uh for the city for red light and speed as well.

Um so North Mayton, I know that in Hassam, I get to uh review that footage pretty often, either in court or through the approver staff when they want me to see something that's going on.

And I I wanted to speak today about things that I've observed, but also about how that system kind of works.

Um, because it has very beneficial um points to it, but then also some of the technology is just not where it should be.

Um, so some we have the North Main Street cameras.

We have uh two of them that I can think of offhand right now.

So one is the one that's in uh in front of McDonald's and that shopping plaza that's between uh a very large uh housing development and the things that they need in life, the essentials.

So it's a grocery store, it's a pet store, it's a coffee shop, it's cheap food.

Um and there's not a lot of infrastructure there to safely cross, especially at night.

So that's where we've seen several pedestrian strikes.

Um the red light cameras are only as good as the deterrence around them to support them.

So something that I observed um, as well as the province police department and the approver staff, who's also the auditor staff, they audit the cameras to make sure that they're working and that they're beneficial to the areas that they're servicing.

So that camera in particular only works if it's a red light.

So when you have a situation like all of those um red lights being green without a trigger, they're not gonna do anything.

So someone can be speeding through there.

So from South Water Street, what we observed is in the evening time, if there's not cross traffic, all of those lights are green.

It's not gonna trigger the camera to do anything because there's not a runway to run.

So it's not doing anything that's beneficial.

And that's something that um I believe somebody's reached out to the state about.

Um and then now we're gonna partner in the fact that the crosswalks that are there don't talk to those lights.

So those crosswalks will tell someone across when all of those lights are green.

Um, that's not gonna be beneficial to those pedestrians and trying to make a safe cross.

So I have a piece of safety equipment that's funny.

Go ahead, walk across.

And then the individual that's behind the wheel has had three or four red lights to pick up speed.

And there's uh speed bumps there, but if the car is of a certain size, you just go right over it.

It's not something that's going to save anybody who's trying to get startups trying to get to the grocery store.

Um, so as much as the red lights are beneficial, they have to have the infrastructure surrounding them to be productive and to serve their purpose.

So what is happening in that area and adding those walkways adding that well lit area is going to be so beneficial in conjunction with the traffic engineering points that we have to make to make the everything kind of a cohesive map of this is pedestrian safety.

We're at the forefront of it.

We're working on it because it is that infrastructure, that physical infrastructure that we need.

It is the technology that we need to really work with.

And it is going to be also the community, making sure that they're giving that feedback like as a pedestrian.

So I really love that we have this and have that feedback because I watched these meetings from my patchwork.

And it's kind of that feedback that I'm hearing is exactly what I'm observing.

And I do see those individuals.

I spend a lot of time on North Maine.

My son's doctors and supports are actually at the province center.

So we're there a lot.

We're probably there once every other week, once every week, and all times of the day.

I can tell you that when it's raining out, that middle median is mud.

Who wants to, as a pedestrian, walk across the street through mud and then you're running because you're trying to get through it as quickly as you can.

So you're not necessarily paying attention to the driver who's also not paying attention.

You're not paying attention to that driver that's had those three or four red lights to pick up speed and go over those mediums.

There is a math equation there.

And I really love that we're taking that equation and adding more into it, giving further supports and that safety infrastructure.

And the cameras are going to be a component of it, but it's not a solution.

The red light cameras, for example, they only travel with the car if it's above 14 miles an hour.

That's the thread hole in which the camera can record a violation.

So if you have a heavy congestion area and you're worried about those cars taking that right on red, the infrastructure for the camera and the technology is just not there to be effective, especially in high congestion because those cameras at that point are not catching anything.

They're not recording, they're not working towards anything.

They're not following any cars, even if they do make that no genote on red.

It's not going to be something that's palpable.

Technology has not caught up with what we need for accuracy.

And that 14 mile per hour threshold is the calibration needed to effectively get those violations from that right-hand turn and heavy congestion just doesn't have that.

Or if someone stops and then goes, they're no longer being recorded by that camera.

It's just not happening.

And the speed cameras also have limitations, but there are certain sites that we have identified, and we actually have to go through the law department before.

Because the law does say any school, and it doesn't, it doesn't designate the definition of what a school is.

So when we reached out to the state, they said it could be a preschool, it can be a daycare facility that offers state free K.

It can be an elementary school, it can be a high school, it can be private, it can be public.

Some questions that I had was does the Providence Center count as one because they have a daycare component to it and they do have child care.

It could be a speed camera area, excuse me.

But there are those limitations where we want it to be effective, but we also don't want it to be just a stopper.

We want it to actually contribute to a solution for the problem.

And so we are working on that.

It is something that I know Court Hopkins is working on and those expansions into cameras because some of our technology, as Nate knows, is 20 years old, and some of those cameras are the original cameras from the contract.

So there could be more out there.

We're at for RFP for it right now.

And I'm excited to see who's bidding on it because the technology is out there for red light speed camera combos.

We had a vendor that came down who told us, you know, some states have the same situation that you have, where they want a red light and a speed camera, and they have speed red light camera combos now where it serves two masters in site-wise, that's amazing because they're they're above the um the ground.

So they're up there where the other cameras for red light are now instead of on the ground like the many RPGs.

Um the mini R2 pieces are only as good as one that's not parked in front of them.

Yeah.

The vehicle that's not obstructing the laser, that's what tracks the vehicle.

So as much as we see tons of violations, issuance is low on a lot of them because of the tech, because of those environmental factors.

Um, so we have this theory that, oh, you know what, it's gonna solve the problem.

It's not the practicality of it, just isn't there.

We have this theorization that it's going to work, and you know, we'll put in there and people will see that they're getting 85, 50 fines, and they're gonna get a court occurrence, and the judges going to you know, tell them what's up.

And it's it's just not always happening just because of that vendor limitation.

Um, so I do want to give like that realistic expectation that we would love to hammer the entire street, but the limitations of those environmental factors are a real contributor as to what we can actually productively produce from uh those violations.

And I do want me to add this as well.

I spoke to the chief judge earlier this week.

get a court appearance and the judges going to you know tell them what's up and it's it's just not always happening just because of that vendor limitation um so I do want to give like that real like realistic expectation that we would love to hammer the entire street but the limitations of those environmental factors are a real contributor as to what we can actually productively produce from uh those violations and I do want to add this as well I spoke to the chief judge earlier this week my judges are wonderful and members of this community because let me tell you when we have those individuals who come in and they have five six seven ten fifteen four pages of red light can of violation speed cameras we had someone that 13 thousand dollars the other day yes um whole whole different situation the judge wants them no the reason that the school zone is 20 miles an hour is because 25 is the rate of speed in which you're most likely to kill someone with your vehicle um the police department let us know that the individuals who are the improvers let us know that so 20 is the speed in which you might not kill them so you're in a school slow down and the judges really drive that point home when the individuals come into court and they let them know this this is put there because a teacher died like the teacher was hit and we have multiple pedestrian strikes in the city we have children who have after school sports that's why the cameras go so late that's an argument that we hear a lot oh the kids get out of school by three o'clock why does the camera go to seven well what time is your son's basketball what time is your kids track what time do you have tutoring still what time can you have drama club to what time do you have active school that's there's always some reason and justification for it.

So the judges are completely on board with that community engagement um as well as being proactive and um educating members of the community when they do come to the court that's great I have a few questions but I imagine other people do so I can hold one if other folks have questions for Elizabeth.

Can you can you just clarify um what you meant by the the school sighting like is it that you can't have cameras there or you can only camera there but what was the yeah so uh the state laws says that you can have a speed camera within a quarter mile of what's considered a school sale and the definition of a school is very loosely interpreted on a state level there it doesn't say it has to be a publicly funded K through 12 institution it doesn't say that it included private schools it just says school so pre-Kree K private pre-K, whatever that may be um daycares they were a little more loose about because it doesn't say school um but that state pre-K is considered a school um so that that kind of opens the door a little bit because I think previously um what I was told anyway was that they were working off of the definition of K through 12 school and that was the institution and calculation it was the only place you can have them yes for speed cameras red light running is just whatever um a combination of the traffic engineering division and the police department recommends.

Elizabeth you mentioned that there's no I guess connector and dialogue between these um traffic lights and the pedestrian sport um do we know who owned well I think right onto the traffic light yeah signal I think I know at least the one you were just talking about I just talked with Sean about that signal and they own the pedestrian uh yeah I mean they're they're right out of all the cities on south main street left being street at some point we on the street you know south outdoor like all those it would be that the the signal itself and the pedestrian signals so the traffic light and this pedestrian signals are covered under that all yeah so yeah it's it's one signal the pedestrians at that intersection yeah not really sure what it's meant by they don't talk to each other but yeah they should they share with the Starbucks side with that pedestrian crosswalk doesn't um I double checked with the state with Rai Dot um was it Sean yeah Sean Sean and he confirmed it doesn't speak to the light so those lights leading up to it are you talking about the middle block crosswalk between only and is that we talk about the actual full signal problems yes yeah that's that's not necessarily a signal actually um those are probably all by us yeah gotcha yeah so they don't talk to the traffic oh no no they're not gonna because they're they're not designed to yeah they're just they they they come on addition pushable naturation it doesn't necessarily yeah and that's I don't think the public would understand that's that type of semantic yeah where they're assuming okay I'm pressing the buttons cross I have flashing lights better indicating it's safe and then there's three or some if it doesn't there's no like I heard it today there's no red light and green that makes it stop it's it's a little they don't give any sort of like stop exactly it it's really a flash of warning so I think for you like if they were coordinated you could have um like the traffic signal that drivers just passed turn red so they're not like green light and then hitting it right so that it's not a that like for instance like she sell closed maybe I I don't I don't know if there's technology that coordinate the unsignalized crosswalk with that push button those like some loyals do it like yeah I think in combination with Elizabeth's observation about the speed bumps over there not being as too like that is a major like there side I feel like if we can look at any of the technology that kind of index and communicate schools I think that's a city we should look into that yeah that might be some good follow up with

Maybe I I don't I don't know if there's technology that coordinate a unsignalized crosswalk with that push button those might some wireless to like yeah, yeah.

I I think in combination with Elizabeth's observation about the speed bumps over there, not being aspect too.

Like that is a major like hazard there.

So I feel like if we can look at another technology, that kind of index and communicate still, I think that has a signal we should look into.

Yeah, that might be some good follow-up with Sean too.

Because I know we've asked him about some of the some of the ones at frostbot, like at crosswalks have been um coordinated now, like like the Rochan Bow one is like coordinated.

Like if you've pressed it, you get a full thing before the light changes to turn.

And I think he's been trying to like move down the line, but I don't know that all of them.

Yeah, I think that, but also like I don't uh we yeah, there should be some follows, Sean.

I think about all of them.

Because I think he was saying, but correct me if I'm wrong, like some of the tickets, like the older signals, some of the technology in there's really old because they haven't upgraded.

So it's like things that you can do now as signals we can't necessarily do at some of the pedestrian signals we have because it's just old.

But I think some of what Sean was talking about doing is breaking some of the coordination between the lights, right?

So like from Doyle to um branch and then barber blended in between those all go green at the same time, right?

And there's another series north of uh Rochambo.

I think three lights are coordinated.

He's talking about it.

And I think versus a third and well, Roscoe is no longer part of that, but then like third up to Smoothfield.

I think something's yeah, the point in the those that leave are also coordinated, right?

So I think he was talking about putting an exclusive pedestrian bases up there.

I think it should not because that would help with that the string of green lights that you're talking about.

The chief judge and I actually drove it ourselves just to see what it was.

I drove a Honda Civic and I can go over those speed bumps like there's nothing there.

My tires fit right through it, and and that's it.

Chief judges and an SUV.

So we drove it when we get from the fire station, yeah, and you drive straight down.

I mean, this was one o'clock in the afternoon.

Yeah, there's nothing.

Um there's nothing.

We have green lights until we got to Province Bagel.

Um so I mean, we we could have done it, and there wouldn't have been anything to stop us.

You know, there's no deterrent there because you're giving people a drive strip, basically.

Um, I can go straight through those um those speed bumps.

There's not a light that's gonna stop me.

There's no infrastructure to stop.

Yeah, um, and speed is a it's a huge battery.

Um those those pedestrian strikes are non-strikes, they're yeah, not to graphic at all, but those people are like are in very bad states after those strikes.

And it's very sad.

Um yeah, I think the the speed lumps they don't necessarily get to stop people with the crossbump.

I I I mean it it does slow people down.

I don't I would say they don't have they have some benefit.

Um to you know increasing the amount of people that you would yield to somebody at a crossbow.

But if you travel that and you travel it daily, you know that just a little black and you don't even feel done.

You don't you're tired of the right thing.

Like it's not like people see that and they manage the high glasses in people who are conscious of it and choose a slow mount new, but some people definitely want flowers, yeah.

It may not be a hundred percent.

But that's part of I think the hazard for pedestrian, right?

Because you don't know which cars can slow down to five miles an hour and which one's gonna go through at like 35, and you kind of have to look and try to judge.

Um, so the kind of inconsistency can give you a false sense of security, right?

If you saw the last two cars slow down and then the next one speeds through, yeah.

One thing I've observed is the temporary ones that you put out to pilot things, like definitely do slow.

They're yeah, they are more fascinated and angular um higher different parts for those kinds of participants were about a plane to kind of rattle it.

Yeah, I know there are challenges with those, but in terms of like neutral, they're the same height as the ash pole.

But the shape though, you know, the athletes end up being kind of rounded, so it's easier to kind of bump over them, whereas when you hit like a suddenly or you're hitting a plane at a different angle on the plastic.

They're yeah, the the length of them are shorter.

Are those feasible as a year-round thing, or is that really not compatible with plowing?

Um I mean we've we haven't had good luck with you, even though this is kind of speed lump with the all top trucks now the editing limps and um and the algorithm code labor attempts to take out and put down.

So I mean, there's I mean, we can adjust the design of the asphalt.

I mean, yeah, it's it's those are six feet long, the temporary ones versus 20 feet long, just because I think looking at standards that that's kind of a standard that was recommended for them, but perhaps we didn't look at a shorter one.

Um I think those speed lumps kind of come up to a point, the rubber speed lumps.

Yeah, we don't have much of a plateau, but yeah.

I wonder if you could like nail the surface down to like a flat and a ramp edge because I think I imagine with asphalt when you pack it down, it just ends up round, but I wonder if there are ways to like go back and kind of reshape some to make them more aggressive.

I think we're just impressed.

Probably that's the answer with the concrete.

Oh, yeah, so I mean that's not speed bumps.

Oh, really?

But yes, they are talking about abrasive, those speed bumps will take you out.

Oh, yeah, totally well.

If you are going above 20 miles an hour, you are going to go with the sailing, it is going to be very damaging to your suspension.

Yeah, um, those speed bumps are great.

And uh the other thing is they they can snowplow in front of the state house, and that speed bump is like four feet dump.

Yeah, it's for all.

Yeah, really walk is something to think about, especially like that.

Yeah, I mean, just also realize that we in some cases, um the angels rule probably um people were bottoming out maybe the imaging would be interesting too.

So that's why we didn't want to go into like IRS.

So you know, that's something we said too.

Yeah, I don't I don't I haven't heard of anyone dying in front of the state house and they put that giant speed bump in.

Well, yeah, I mean it's filled from ever file alone that slogans coming up.

That's that's got a lot to do with the the one in front of the state house was installed a long time ago though because there was a strike there.

Yeah, I think it was a state wall.

Many years ago, and we've had what three or four.

We've had more in the last, at least since I've been some.

So a little bit point though.

I mean, since then it's been nothing.

Yeah, right, right.

Since we started this, there was one.

Oh, you meant since the state house, right?

Oh, yeah, so the statehouse won't got put in and in response to that strength.

And it's it's a huge traffic artery as well.

It's it's a well traveled area, it's it's a main road.

So there's not a difference really in the obstruction and traffic in that area.

Is it gonna tick people off a little bit?

Yeah, but maybe people won't die.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'd rather people be a little ticked off than if you're going too fast, that's a personal problem.

Yes.

If you are damaging your vehicle because you're going too quickly over a piece of safety infrastructure, the problem isn't the safety infrastructure, it's you change your habits.

Yeah, yeah.

Um yeah, this one, yeah.

This part, the stretch we're talking about by the property center is owned by the city.

So we could just do some of this if we're working with me for the rest of it.

Um Sean is still working on the city.

It's something to discuss.

I I have to tell you that um it was a big issue with people scraping, and it wasn't they were slow enough enough to scrape it.

Because mostly electric cars and that it's just our situation, and it was kind of a big issue.

So but it's it's it's something that we can revisit in terms of um a better design.

But do you remember when the lens went up on Roshimba and you were very tall?

There was like one guy who just abandoned his car on it.

We were like walking dogs, this is gonna be banded the car.

We did those two, those are falls, it's like yeah, I think I think it's just generally important to keep in mind though that a lot of some of these things that we're talking about with speed humps, the speed cameras, those are all really in response to kind of a poorly designed as you mentioned.

So, like you know, if you change kind of the overall um, you know, um cross-section and the feel of the the um drive and the feel of the the walk, that can just like subconsciously make everybody kind of slow down and it's kind of self-enforcing that way, and then you don't have to kind of sprinkle in all of these additional kind of things to kind of force people um to behave the correct way.

So um, yeah, I think this is all great for kind of in the mean meantime, but with an eye towards if we design it right, we won't necessarily need all these extra things.

Yeah, no, I really appreciate you bring that up, Rosie, because I think that's like what we've been talking about too, like doing the things we can do now while we're show planning for that longer term like design engineer situation.

So that's a really good thing to bring up, but like in the meantime, would not want to die.

So there's other table from it's on me.

If we can assess that area, the speed lumps for something that might be more effective.

I think that would be yeah, probably beneficial.

Um while we have you a little bit, I still have a few more questions.

One is um so for the speed cameras by schools, since there might be some areas, and we talked about this at a prior meeting.

Since there might be some areas, and we talked about this at a prior meeting, since there might be some areas on the North Meeting that could be in that category.

What is the process moving forward?

It sounds like the solicitor's office would get involved, but also since the RP is out right now for the cameras.

Is that how does that what does that look like from a process perspective?

So you can follow up a short sort of like so two of us can be.

So maybe I actually discussed this.

We have a bi-weekly meeting with the current vendor.

Um so with that RFP being out there, whether it's the current vendor or a new vendor, we have new camera infrastructure coming.

Oh, um, and that comes with also uh site evaluations.

So when we spoke with Courtney, that site evaluation is going to include speed sleds from the traffic division where they're monitoring speeds for like an impromptu study, Nate's office with their recommendations from traffic studies, um, police data that's coming from accidents reports, strikes, ticket issuance, um, anything that we can track statistically.

Um, and then the recommendations from 311.

It's it's a conglomerate of different opinions and different um value that people are looking for that's going to be in effect.

It's not going to be a three-person thing where you know we decide, okay, it's that one.

It's it's going to have purpose behind it and intention behind it, where um, you know, I'm not seeing things like I am now where I have cameras that produce 13 tickets a month because it was a great camera site in 2013 and it's not in 2025.

Um, so that site evaluation is coming up, whether we keep the individual company that we have now, or we get new cameras that that infrastructure in those sites will change.

Um, so that is fine, and I'll I'll keep you abreast of this.

Okay, maybe we can move back in this group once you know which I okay, that's awesome.

And then other you already answered the rest of mine.

Um more of a comment um on that sort of endless string of green lights.

Um had um agreed back sometime last winter to pursue the rest on your signal spending, so wait at night, the lights would default red until somebody came along, or at least some of the lights.

Um yeah, so we can update on that stands, that would be helpful.

That's not happening.

And if you need the the footage for it, we have uh red light camera footage where um it records the incident, so it'll show the rest of the lights in in that uh camera view.

Um, and that's something that we see.

There's it doesn't that that area has low issuance because the cross traffic is what sets it to that red light.

So if there's nothing coming when it's late at night or early morning, there's not going to be a red light ticket issue because it's just gonna stay green.

Yeah, and the real issue on the community.

Well, one of one of the issues on the green really is the speeding, and so folks are just like taking up that speed, and we can't have speed cams in the meantime before we fix the road in a more complete way.

Like, what is that?

Yeah, you know, how do we get more eyes there?

Because bonkers do not have a lot of a lot of tickets coming through your office, given what we know about what's happening on that street.

Yeah, and and it's the same thing, like Allen's app is also what we consider to be the drive spec.

Yeah, um, you know, we have cameras there, but the lights are always green, yeah, because they're triggered by cross traffic.

And if there's not cross traffic or there's not a train coming, you're gonna get green light the entire time.

Yeah, there's no school, so we can't put a speed camera there, but we have a red light camera going both ways, and but if there's no red lights, I one camera I get nothing from, and then the other camera that maybe seven, 10, 15 a month is that yeah, and it's because of that environmental um infrastructure or lack their own around it, where those lights are going to be green for traffic continuity purposes, which is ridiculous, but that's the reasoning that I'm given.

I don't know if is that part of like RIP design operations there, like does Rip to need the regular green, and then we're if so that's part of like what we think about for the longer design is like Ripta has I don't know, Rip has its own rules or something.

Oh, is that we yeah, and we really appreciate the green when a bus is coming, but yeah, you have any 10 million spot.

Oh, good, yeah.

Okay, okay.

Yeah, because you can also set maximum green times into the signal, so that's not just sitting there waiting for somebody to like trigger it on the side street.

Um that goes back to a planation, yeah.

All that's okay.

Well, do you want to put a oh please get in there and say you're doing for the right property street solution?

Um, Lisa, what percentage of tickets?

So what percentage of like captured um speed speed violations or regular violations?

Do you think do not advance to actual violations?

And then what percent are like dropped by the children?

So basically what actually comes to court is about seven to nine percent of the tickets issued.

We have a very high uh pay by mail percentage.

Um yeah, it's somewhere around 40%.

But here's another struggle for the cameras.

The state of Rhode Island and the Department of Motor Vehicles does not allow vendor third party access for citations.

So another struggle that we have is accurate information on the violator.

So for example, our vendor right now, Rhode Island has you might know more than me, over 70 plate types.

And they went from radio operator to suburban commercial passenger combination.

Um commercial combinations of common error.

Yeah, and it happens constantly.

So I have this vendor who's out of Canada using a vendor to get my driver information for these violators, and they're using something called endless, which scours the internet and uh law enforcement databases to get information.

Um, and sometimes it's five years out of date, sometimes it's five months out of date, sometimes it brings back nothing.

Um sometimes it brings back the wrong plate type, like when it looks up RIPTA, sometimes it tells me it's a Porsche.

And it's it's very nice.

Sometimes people have those things on the other thing.

So they might say, Oh, we've got this commercial vehicle, it's really a combination.

So in that sense, it's all those are legal, right?

They are considering legislation to try to regulate some of those likelihood colours like how frequently recently that's a huge problem.

Um, not only that, but the it's the covers themselves and then tinted plates, um, and then stickers.

So placement of people's registration stickers on the actual alley.

I know people think it's cute to show, like, oh, you know, I've had this plate for 20 years or something like that, but it also obstructs the plate type a lot of this five.

Um, so it mix in that then they're not having direct DMV access.

Our failure to appear rate is actually extremely high because individuals aren't receiving those citations due to that inefficiency and the DM being refusing to share access with third party vendors.

It's a huge problem.

So there's a two-step process still, right?

So the vendors first review the violations and uh start looking.

So the vendors review them and then they come to our office because the vendor might walk in issue of violation.

So we have two or three offices in the traffic office that go back through and review them.

A lot of times they have access to the CIC they can run it.

And if the plate able type doesn't match what the violation was, then we have to get rid of the ticket.

Like if we write the ticket or issue a ticket for the company, the ticket to a red on them.

And later on, you find out it's really that car really is the plate is registered to like a release.

We don't do that.

Yeah, it's 2800 tickets a week that are issued.

They don't do that.

They're clicking through to see if there's a violation, and that's it.

It's actually a five-step process.

So the approval process starts at the camera itself.

There's an individual who is on site that works for the company that takes the data and abstracts extracts it um either every day or every other day, depending on the area and the traffic volume, because it's an individual in a vehicle that's stopping on the side of the road, pulling out a computer.

Oh, not pulling out a laptop, hooking it up to the speed camera and pulling the data manually.

Oh, no.

Oh, wow, they're like plugging it in.

Yeah, because I think it's like a bum road.

Yes, yes.

So there's an individual on the side of the go that's doing this wrong speed camera.

Oh my god.

So he pulls it and that's the first step of it.

Then he goes through it to make sure that the data isn't corrupt because it does happen where there's entire days that we lose because it rained too hard and it got wet.

Um, yeah, because a computer malfunctioned, it didn't get an update that it was supposed to get because they are connected to the internet, but not enough to extract you know, 600 violations in a week or something.

Um, so he gets it, he reviews it to make sure the files aren't corrupt.

Then it goes through the first approval process, and that is to determine that you can't see anything else in the photo.

So speed cameras, we take still images and we put uh data analytics on the side, how fast they were going, where we started tracking them, how long we track them, and then the make and model vehicle is found by AI.

Um, at that point, an individual goes in and obstructs everything around the vehicle.

So if you're walking past and someone gets a violation, we're not gonna see you.

There's somebody that's gonna block it out.

Um, and they're gonna make sure at that point that they can see a plate and that they can see a make and model, and they're gonna put it in.

Then it goes to the next step of the vendor.

The next night after it's trialed the internet through NLIS or Nexus Lexus and it's filled in, then the next step in the approval process.

Okay, we're going to make sure that Rick to bus doesn't say that it's a Porsche.

And stuff falls through the cracks.

Our vendor isn't the best lately with that approval process, I'll be honest.

And so they get to that step and then it gets to the final process on the vendor side.

Then the vendor, we have an accounting set, he goes through, checks all the stats, puts it through, and then our approvers get it.

And our recruiters can disapprove for uh dark environment, plate obstructions, improper plates, in proper plate type, uh the making models in correct, because everything on that ticket has to match.

So if I accidentally registered my car as a coup instead of a four-dollar, it's going to come back as incorrect because the picture is going to show that it's supposed to be a light or door homo-civic, but my registration is coming back that it's a cuckoo.

So that clip gets thrown out, and that ticket gets thrown away.

So there's um there's a combination of I think it's 13 different reasons for disapproval.

And our disapproval is something like on our end, 20%, and we don't even know what it is on the vendor side.

Or about to you.

Yeah, so in the traffic division, we have three officers that audit those cameras in the hours of the morning in personal vehicles.

So one will obstruct the street to make sure that there's no uh pedestrian um conflict or issue that can arrive if he makes it safe, and then the other individuals in their personal vehicle and they blow the light, and then they document the date and the time, the make and model of the vehicle and the plate, and then we wait for it to come through.

And if it doesn't come through, I reach out to the cabinet like, hey, it's been 10 days wondering what happened at um, you know, North May and Doyle.

Um, why why did this come through?

And then they'll tell us, oh, on our end, the plate was obstructed, or the flash wasn't working on the camera.

So there's there's a whole bunch of different reasons, and we don't even get to see all of them.

So it might flash a million times, and we might get 12 citations because of the combination of those issues.

So the technology just isn't what ideally it should be, and it is all of those issues: the DMV, the approval process, the vendor, the frequency in which the vendor does their job.

Yeah, um, and a lot of it falls out of the city's hands.

Um, unfortunately, you know, the research are really good about checking when we see, hey, um, why are we having low issuance in this area?

And they go out there and they they look, and I sometimes I go out there with them because I've got a list, you know, when we're in Fort that says, oh, there's a tree branch in front of this camera.

Let's go take a photo and then we send it to the vendor.

Hey, is there a reason why in your calibration you didn't see that there was a tree branch blocking this camera for three days?

Yeah.

That's three days of issuance that we've lost.

So then you know, we go through this credit process and this back and forth, but that doesn't solve the problem.

Yeah.

Um, so there's a whole bunch of issues that go into it where ideally you should have 250 violations on a site a day, but those out outside factors you know come into play and we end up with 30 or 45.

Do you know?

Sorry, like maybe really digital stress.

You know, are other states?

Do other states have different access to the databases than we do?

So I reached out to Boston Municipal Court and asked them, who's your vendor?

Well, it's our vendor, but they have direct RD access in Massachusetts.

The RV doesn't play this game where they're not giving it to third-party vendors the way Rhode Island does.

Um, only the police have direct DMP access for their vendors, and that's it.

Public safety uh components or projects have no access, and they're not going to give it to us either.

The vendor and our law department have reached out to them for it, and it was a no-go.

Yeah.

Interesting.

Seems like we should identify the state, like what needs to change in the state law to make this work better and think about making that happen.

We have a strategy.

There's no statute, it's just a policy.

Oh, so like a state red could have a statute.

I wouldn't be anybody helping that.

Yeah, wild.

Um we've also known anyone.

It could be somebody that I know.

Between the two things.

Um, but I just won.

I just showed in Boston.

I reached out to the UK actually at the Staffordshire Police Department.

Um, because their safety infrastructure when it comes to their use of AI and cameras is phenomenal.

We'll give up one day.

It's the Staffordshire Police Department in the UK.

It's amazing.

They have entire buses that ride around in vans that ride around with police officers in them that just, oh, you're speeding.

You ran that light, you're uh stopped in that crosswalk.

And this van has like this three sleeves camera, and it is capturing these events of what's going on.

And then they've got speed sleds that do it.

They've got the cameras, they've got the red light cameras, they've got their own version of Block the Box.

Um, so they had a lot going on.

So I called them one day and I was like, hi, uh, I'm calling from Province, Rhode Island, and I'm wondering who your vendor is.

And so I reached out to the vendor, and so I'm hoping that they did.

I don't know until it closes.

Yeah.

Um, but I went looking, I I watched YouTube videos for people who are working against the canvas, but it gave me good information.

Yeah.

And uh, you know, we we reached out to several vendors just you know to see if the technology was worth it and if it was working.

And then we have other um cities and towns here, like the Tucket uses a different vendor.

East Province uses a different vendor.

Trustdown uses a different vendor, and it was the same problems everywhere.

We don't get accurate, they're called uh Nixies, where it doesn't come back with accurate information.

And they're getting the same rate that I am sometimes between 20 and 30 percent a week that are issued are actually coming straight back.

We don't have the ability to sit there and say, hey, traffic division.

I know there's only three of you that are in the approval staff.

Can you go look up these you know, 3,000 for the month so that we can give them to the correct people?

So we we work with what we can and traffic division definitely helps with what they can.

When we see someone's like a frequent offender, you know, they'll go above and beyond to try to make that connection of the individual and um send them a letter and see what we can do to get them in sort of figure out what's going on.

But the reality of it is the volume is just so high for the inaccuracies that it would be a lot for a new department.

Any other questions?

This was awesome.

I just learned a ton.

I'm also going to include the link to this in my next newsletter.

So I feel like people are really gonna want to like this was like amazing.

I learned a tons now um about how this all works.

I was very passionate about the camera.

Yeah, no, this is funny.

You know, I again with the volume and the issues that we're facing.

I know we're not alone in that, and it's it's a statewide issue.

Yeah, I also just want to say thank you for doing that extra research because I think so frustrating that well, one because that's amazing, and two, as a member of the finance company as well.

We've so frustrated just to the same vendors, but again, it's like, well, that's who bid, but I guess you know, they're the lowest one, and you're like, I know there's other people out there, and so you doing that hustle is like really helpful, even if they don't end up bidding, maybe that you know drummed up some other infrastructure, not just the same guys doing the same job in way to do anything, yeah.

She didn't need to get into the school books being yeah.

Oh, that is a whole that's not the yeah, we can add that your favorite now.

I come right there, please.

Yeah, let's not do that one good.

Uh we do have more things on the agenda, but um thank you.

That this was so helpful with the number follow-up.

And my email is very public, it's on the website.

It's ebettis at provinceri.gov.

So if anyone did have any outstanding questions or anyone from the public, you know, I'm I'm happy to answer those questions too.

Thank you so much.

We really appreciate coming out.

Thank you, guys.

So um I think we still don't have Sherry.

Nope.

Is she down too?

No, we have any one.

Oh, wait, under a time meeting.

Nope.

Okay.

Um well, you can kind of figure out what one is based on what's in there.

So she'll give that update another time.

But um, let's keep going.

Yeah, um, ripped up.

Oh, wait, can you read them three into the records?

Or I always just give you that again.

Very good, my bad.

Ripped the update presentation by Sarah Engle road.

All right, hi.

Um, well, there's a bit that really was amazing, and I think you're gonna be hard at spawn, but um, maybe also because this is uh an update on the project that we've talked about off and on since the beginning of the task force.

Um and um the uh update that I'm gonna give you right now is going to be pretty high level.

It's it's gonna include a lot of like we're making good progress, you know, we'll have more soon.

But um, since it has been quite a few months, I think, since the last yeah, update, we did just want to check in and say that work's happening and it's and it's going really well.

Um, but but first I want to say that 2025 had been a year on Ripta.

Um, some people are are really familiar with that.

Um who've been supporting us throughout our budget situation that goes all the way back really almost literally a year, um, and service adjustments and all sorts of stuff, but um we so we are really focused right now on getting ourselves on a strong and safer footing, um making sure that we are checking all the boxes we need to check as we head into the next budget season, and hopefully we'll emerge really strong and ready to move forward with lots of great projects, but Metro Connector really like high among them.

But um we so we are really focused right now on getting ourselves on a strong and stable footing, um, making sure that we are checking all the boxes we need to check as we head into the next budget season, and hopefully we'll emerge really strong, ready to move forward with lots of great projects, but Metro Connector really like high among them.

Um some of the other things that we're focusing on right now that are not metro connector related include um really working on um we've rolled out our wave to work program again.

It used to be called Eco Pass years ago.

And um, I was just telling one of my coworkers this afternoon that one of my favorite wave to work success stories in the past year happened here when Marion Hospital came to present um on the work that they're doing on their campus um modernization, and somehow a few months later we have them sign on.

So we have to work.

So thanks to everyone on the task force and and that sort of supported that happening.

Um so that that sort of thing has been a big part of the work that we've been doing.

But meanwhile, for um so now on to Metro Connector.

Um this is the first time that here in Rhode Island we've done this type of project, like a real like high capacity transit alternatives analysis.

And so everything that we're doing is new to us.

Um, and one of the things that has surprised me about it is really like what a heavy lift it is and how long it takes to get to the good deeds to the answers, right?

Because it started with we knew from the transit master plan, um, generally what the recommended corridors were, you know, north and south of Providence, um, towards Central Falls, CCRI and the airport.

Um and there's there are some days when I feel like here we are, like a year and a half into this project, and and basically we're still looking at that.

But the good news is um we really are still looking at that, like everything that we have um investigated so far, um, first at a pretty high, very high level and and with increasing um drilling down into lots of data, um, those corridors that we um have assessed are really really viable from a federal funding perspective from really like every possible angle um really viable candidates for for bus rapid transit board like rail.

Um pretty pretty broad brush overview.

We are in the wrapping up phase of what we call the tier two analysis for four alternatives.

Um tier two just means the detailed modeling of specific alternatives.

Um of the and and if anyone wants to like really see up close if you haven't already looked at what the four alternatives are.

Um we have story map on the Ripta website under Metro Connector that will walk you through um each of the four alternatives.

They all they all um cover Central Falls to downtown Providence via North Main Street.

That was a determination that was made under tier one that that really like North Main Street was the quarter that made the most sense.

Um street was considered for a hot minute, but um unlike other parts of the study area, North Maine really is like kind of a no-brainer.

So um four alternatives were looked at through the lens of six goal areas and something like 274.

Um criteria.

Um looking at things like what uh which alternative is going to bring the greatest ridership increase, which one is gonna most effectively support transit oriented development, which one is gonna be best at ensuring that um you know equitable transportation options are created, um, which ones are going to maximize travel time benefits to riders through dedicated right-of-way, just the transport the technology, you know, is it is it bus-based, is it rail-based?

Um alternatives, and we are now in the process of really like we have preliminary results, we're like double checking everything, sort of refining.

I don't want to I want to use that word cautiously because there's another phase of this project where refinement um has a particular meaning.

Like we're gonna, but we're what we're doing is we're moving towards a locally preferred alternative.

So which of these four corridors is going to be the preferred corridor?

Um they all they all show strong ridership gains.

Um more than others, light rail more than West Rapid Transit generally, um, that is sort of inherent to that mode.

You have um uh larger vehicles and put more people on other sort of preference things sort of factor into that.

Um sorry.

Um so what we'll do in a little while, as in probably early in the new year is is bring fairly detailed results of that analysis, and we're we'll move into a sort of a public assessment phase where um, but I think I want to just open it up today if anyone wants to just throw something on the table.

The things that we're gonna be asking for are um, you know, which which mode um is the preferred mode, and that's a really big sort of really big question.

There are big um differences in cost between a bus rapid transit alternative and a light rail transit alternative.

Um I should note that, and this is this is documented in the story map on on the website, but the light rail alternatives that were modeled, um, neither goes all the way to the very southern end of the study area.

So light rail does not go all the way to the airport, light well does not go all the way to CCRI in Warwick, but they both stop roughly at Park Avenue on the west leg that would be park and reservoir, um, east leg.

It's it's uh park just above park, I think, over towards Pat's village, um, because density um population buttons density really drop off below park and at the cost per mile of implementing light rail, even even before modeling.

It was it was really pretty obvious that those were not gonna pencil um in a federal funding sort of way.

So the the BRT alternatives do go all the way to those southern 3.

Um so you know, like which mode, which corridor um should there be a phasing where there's a prioritization that just looks at um you know, Central Falls to downtown provenance, or is there a phasing that says actually the most important one to start with is downtown provenance to the airport?

Um that can go in any number of directions, but um getting input on that is going to be really important, and that input is going to be informed by all of the detailed um modeling results, you know, the travel time, the cost estimates, um, and actually one that uh is especially I think important in the densest parts of the corridor, downtown Providence, um Central Falls, what are the right-of-way impacts?

How is this gonna impact um existing bike infrastructure, parking infrastructure, and general purpose traffic in some cases?

Um to fit the service into the street section.

Um, it only it made sense to find a way to use a general purpose traffic.

Um so people are gonna have opinions about that.

Um and stop locations.

So I think this is gonna be an interesting one for North Maine because we've already had some conversation over the, you know, in the task force about you know, the existing R line stops.

Um, I've heard it said that we should stop, you know, basically that every building should stop more to increase access.

Um, for better or worse, the way BRT and light rail work is stop spacing is going to be um the a further spacing, not a closure spacing um catchment area for those modes is larger, but where should those stops be the really important question for this corridor as well as for the rest of the study area.

So those are going to be really interesting conversations when they happen.

Um there will be it's actually starting now, kind of at the Latin leadership level, some very light conversations, sort of reminding folks that this project is happening, our CEOs meeting with mayors to talk about sort of all sorts of things, but for the cities where Metro Connector is happening, metro connectors on the agenda.

And you know, we want to keep the conversation going.

So I did want to at least give a little bit of an update today.

Hopefully, come you know, February, March, we'll be having some nice like big 10 conversations as well as a really sort of pointed survey.

Um to anyone who's interested in in looking at it and weighing in on you know what they what their preferences are, you know, should we invest more do a bigger capital investment and really switching for the fences with a light rail option?

Or um, you know, is it more important to do something that has a lower up front capital expense, but maybe can um more quickly and efficiently get to any in terms of implementation time frame, get further south, or if something else all together.

So um that's kind of what I have for now.

Oh, I did just want to mention that um this is with the cities getting ready to launch the North Main Street design engineering project to get it rewrite at.

We're excited about that, and we'll um stay in consultation because the idea um is that we can sort of be as seamless as possible in in moving towards um bigger and better things for northway in terms of transit and high school and pedestrian safety and access.

So um anyone has any questions.

Um Zach is here really knows like I think probably eight things that I didn't say right just now, um, and can answer a lot of questions that I wouldn't be able to give a good answer to.

So um, any that's what I'm gonna do.

Yeah, awesome.

Thank you, Sarah.

So any questions or anything for Sarah was that in terms of like for the metro connectors, kind of like the the one kind of continuous line.

Is there uh like a future network that would have kind of east-west and other kind of lines that would that would connect to this, or would it more be just kind of a freestanding system?

Yeah, I think um on the if it's on the light rail side that was really not envisioned that there would be a network of um like a light rail network with trains intersecting.

Um but regardless, the rest of the transit network remains.

Um, some routes would be obviously the R line would be modified accordingly, like this section of the R line will become what we call the in the transit master plan now, like N8 or N12, I forget which one it is.

But um, but it would become a part of what is we refer to as a frequent transit network, and that's the part that is the kind of the most important is that you would have not just the R line at a 2015 minute headway, but you would have 19 routes at that frequency.

Um, so that whether you're hopping off the train in an onto a bus or the other way around, um, or for bus to bus, you know, PRT bus, the standard bus, um, you'd be able to make that connection, and that would be a little bit of a radial, like I need the people people like to sort of lament that province is really a hub and spoke system, and we do have cross-town services that we hope to introduce, but um it will always be a little bit radial based on the street network, and there would be so it would mostly be that I hope that's what I answered.

Yeah, I'm a big fan of the RT in this scale of uh of implementation fields really for that, but um, just based on other other cities that are going to work at it really well.

I think it's just you know, we just gotta do it right.

The people will come just as much as they would to LRT.

Well, there's yeah, there's a sort of increasing number of examples around the country for I mean, not just internationally, which is kind of what it used to be, but it's really there's a lot of places you can do it here in the US and experience with RT.

So that is hopeful.

Any other questions?

That was really helpful, Sarah.

Should we have that?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, um, okay, number four.

Can you do four, please write it for the record?

Updates from the providence course.

We can just state that we are losing our form and some of the information.

No, they're gonna go back.

Yeah, yeah, right.

And I think yes, updates from the provided streets collection.

And we've got it here.

We've already said we needed for the record.

Hi everyone.

I was at the last meeting, which was probably back in July, uh June was the last time this body.

Lots has happened.

Um and so we were discussing um some of the options for the redesign at um North Main Street benefit, and only that has all since happened.

And I wanted to just check in with this screen and see um get some feedback and see how these things are going.

But just as of kind of to review, um, this all started about like 18 months ago, I want to say, with um Rosie coming to the to this meeting with um this sketch on the first slide.

Um and within and that at the same time right off starting the RSA process, and over that time the RSA kind of showed that that temporary redesigns like this were more than appropriate upon Roth Main Street.

Um so come around June when we last met um the striking did go in.

And yeah, everything is sticking to um and it was really interesting because there was this period after the striking was in and until when the flex post went in, and then when the planners went in, there was just proof that this is the that we actually need vertical separation in temporary um like this um because cars were going through it all.

Like I'm just saying out there, I would like to read on my way of more, and it's just like kind of proof of concept because when the flex post went in and the planners went in subsequently after that, um obviously that came from that.

Um if I can put it in for expectation, I was getting a bunch of emails during that time too.

Like, thanks for the paint, but also like you know, um like people noticed it, they were like, well, glad something's happening, but like this was not enough.

That's just second nature, just so many drivers.

Yeah, and they were like, it doesn't matter.

This is part of what can be.

It was interesting proof that like you really do need that.

People saw it and they were like, cool thanks, but like yeah, and then I was like, well, wait, there's more.

Yeah, well, this is that way.

Yeah, this is the bottom.

This is a central part of our bike network, and a lot of people don't aren't gonna transition onto North Main Street and want to get on to Messenger.

So there's this obvious kind of use case here.

Um the and then around the same time, like you may for uh erecting the neutral red sign um at that intersection.

Uh flex post went in, and then immediately after, uh not immediately a couple days after the flex posts were complete.

Um, we put in these five self-watering planters that I had said with for the preferred things I seen in the birth roads in Vermont.

And uh there was a there's a couple of days when it was just the flex post and it wasn't the planters, and we were noticing, and part of it I think it was because they were a little bit poorly installed, but the other part was cars were kind of still getting close to the card extensions.

They weren't like kind of alerted to the fact that this was uh, and so we were noticing that the flex posts were getting knocked down, and then as soon as the planters went in, that all stopped open.

Uh, because I think they think I think people drivers think they're concrete.

Um that was the hope.

I don't know if it might be.

Um, so you know it's it's been a really interesting evolution to see and to be a part of, and thank you, Counselor, for kind of helping us through this process and helping champion and have this redesign.

We really want to make sure that we're approaching this thoughtfully and that it's it's a success because we want to do this elsewhere.

So you know, I guess that kind of you know brings me to the discussion.

Um, and and I know that we I don't want to draw this out too long, but um, you know, do you have any feedback on how things are going, especially me?

Um and where else on our game street would you like to see uh some kind of temporary criticals like this?

Sarah I have enjoyed this like this project so much um from the first conversations that we had around it, just about what a mess this section is to um you know what potential solutions were and um Nate.

I just remember you sharing your presentation and sort of sharing you know what the options were and and the discussion of the planters and it sort of at some point during that time I was I was riding my bike through there every now and then, um, sort of in the pre sort of circumstance and like at every stage, and I drive my car through there somewhat, right?

Not daily, but like regularly enough that each of those phases where there was paint, where there's flex posts, but not planters, and then the planters went in, and it was incredible the difference that it is.

I mean, it's just it's it's really pretty neat, like and it took a lot, but you know, I don't know, maybe it wasn't a lot a lot relative to the other things, right?

It was a lot of waiting.

Yeah, I'm getting into that.

Um are used to the lights being compared to the work that I do.

Well, yeah, it's in our clients.

Yeah, yeah.

And then it kind of like it was like all of a sudden, like we had to like suddenly like it happened to me.

Yeah, the the planners were on board of like six weeks and the flex does weren't in anyway, so it wouldn't have mattered, and then suddenly kind of showed up.

I'm like, oh crap, we have to make this thing, Sarah.

Yeah, I'll also quickly share.

Oh, go ahead and I mean, in terms of it was a long way.

We just hit our the team that does science that does this, we just really backlogs it.

It may be I mean we're getting caught up now, so it may be a lot better in the future now in terms of uh implementing these in some other situations.

Yes, yes.

Yeah, 1041s.

Yeah, too.

The windy day, we may want to think about something that can actually build those to the ground.

Yeah, or you can like probably put like sandbags on them or something just so they don't yeah, or I'm trying to try to see if there's some type of design to be bolted into the um into the butt.

I noticed uh this week when we had that windy day, it didn't one of them got flown over.

So yeah, I mean people are stopping there before this signed one up.

Is there um they were doing the right thing?

You can't strike that as a crosswalk menu because it's not really accessible.

Um the extra things you'd have to think.

Yeah, okay.

I thought that was always gonna be part of the yeah of the permanent curve design to be something that's done there, yeah.

Um, yeah, is that something that the C D BG?

So two quick updates.

Well, one is a step back, it's just like a I know it felt like a long time, but I know that Nate and Craig Hoffman, Jeep Engineer, they spent like they really rushed like the permanent and all that kind of stuff too, not rushed, but took your took the appropriate amount of time, but not time.

And so really bridge out the work of like a DCW team and then also the Streets Coalition team for like getting them installed, and it was such a team effort.

It was so nice to see some members, so many members of the community come out, and then like one of the homeowners from that house, like right on the corner, came out and was like, look at what you guys are doing.

And it's just like a really lovely thing.

And I can share too that so I represent parts of Benefit Street.

Um, and I heard from a lot of folks on Benefit Street on that.

I I only represent the western side of Benefit Street, which is so funny.

But anyway, um, but I talked to people on both sides, and um I've been to a few events now, and folks have been well kind of like I think like oh my god, and so like people have been had only positive feedback, and you never know when something changes, you know, it's hard and that's kind of great thing for like people are gonna feel some way or whatever.

And in some way that I've heard people are not shy about telling them they feel some way either, which I am grateful for because you don't know if people don't tell you, and also I have not heard anything but positive feedback.

Maybe file since you just did this, but yeah, and mostly her feedback is a final shared bit of meeters.

So I I do have family that you know are working on camp street.

Um, and I I was driving down Benford Street with you know one of my cousins approaching this area, and my husband is an aggressive driver, so we'll work on that.

Um but uh in my head, I'm thinking that we're approaching this area.

I'm like, I wonder if he knows about this because he's used to making that little right there.

And we get there, what is this?

And he had a like really stopping thing about when you're doing it and forced me to go and stop at the red leg there.

And it was just like a real life, you know, we observed that this really didn't force somebody who is an aggressive driver to stop and reconsider the data in that area.

So yeah, yeah, they weren't happy about it anymore, but they'll they'll drive that stretch almost every day.

Um, and I it's cool to see people it's like it used to just blow you on it.

You can have this or I will go to where and now it's like uh you go, I go, you go.

I know the news like this is how it's supposed to work.

It's like you can see people coordinating and like whatever, and overall it seems and then to get to your other question.

So um, I don't know necessarily that you have immediate funding to go into this, but um last night at the finance committee we did just approve six and million dollars for the sidewalk upgrades for all of Benefit Street, and part of that was Craig talking and sharing that that could be coordinated with the other things that happened um on the on benefit street.

So that still has to get through the full council.

Um but I'm hopeful, and that of there had been questions about if we were gonna scale back that project.

Um we did not scale it back for the approval.

So it's it's approved at the well by the finance committee at the full amount that was requested.

Um so that I will work with that to make sure that that is assuming it passes the full council, you would um uh I'll make sure I'll work with Craig to make sure that's part of the plans because that seems like if we're fixing all the sidewalks on benefit street in this like one very enormous project, let's like really do it.

Yeah, I really really appreciate that this that this happened and this went through because you know it's been my dream for four years since I lived on that corner or everything corner.

Um and I do think like the the way that it ended up being kind of a phased approach really uh allowed us to kind of observe and see that like each design intervention plays a part in making that um operate the way it does today.

So I think the first thing that happened was it changed we we changed the the signal timing to allow an LPI, um, and then also um making it like an automatic so it it always comes up so then drivers were kind of used to like always knowing that there's gonna be a uh a talking phase there, and then you know, the striping kind of started to make people you know think about how to get in, and it wasn't necessarily stopping the right turns from happening, but it was making all of the cars from benefit not drive through it, like they were all like doing the thing that we wanted them to do.

Um, just to like I feel like they were craving like some order and stuff to like yes, like where do I go and where do I turn?

And then the flex post went in, and um, you know, if there was a uh a car, you know, waiting to um go straight and there was a car wanting to turn right behind it, it was forced to wait for the red lights.

Yeah, and then there's no turn on red sign went up.

And so even if a car is first in line and they're turning right, now they wait for the the red light.

So it was just like each thing, like if it all works together really well.

Um, and and it was all kind of done fairly inexpensively.

So it really shows the power of some of these kind of rapid implementation um projects uh and and then you know it gives lets us test these things before we go out and spend millions of dollars on on changing the curves and making it permanent.

So um, so yeah, just really grateful for this whole process for sure.

So I hope that we name this the Rosie Jazz Wells.

Okay, we can make those at once.

How do we propagate this concept and do more of this?

Do more it takes a few months to get knowing that it takes a few months to get this rolling, like if we were thinking about doing two or three more of these up good for it, or like can we maybe sort of work through the phases simultaneously and like it's gonna be a little bit where we figure out the funding.

It wasn't a lot, right?

But like if that hangout can be kind of start the planning process now and the design and the testing and cones and things.

I think if you get sketches done, yeah, I think we have done share it because further up is gonna be this also works more quickly than one of the things it is the city uh part, but further up is gonna be right out.

So if there are sketches, like maybe we can toss these not that I'm like but like if there are uh we can you know have that with Sean and Feature and D too of like what could this look like?

What is your approval process?

There may also be an opportunity in the larger design process for temporary demonstration projects in order to show more of this in the write-out owned yeah, there's there is opportunity for that.

Yeah, yeah, like you know, even without funding, I think there's opportunities to do this.

There's also much money, right?

Yeah, it would be helpful.

Would it be possible to tally up the over two hours that we'll put into this specific installation just so we can know how much it costs?

All right, how much costs on your end, and just to kind of know how much the whole project costs, yeah.

That'd be possible.

Um, they went up there like someone hundreds of dollars really.

They were up there like I would say at least a dozen times separately by my observations.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, but I mean, they were it was they were very deep legs, so we took them all out to do that.

Those who need to work so well, and hopefully that'll you know make them last no longer.

So um but yeah, we can we can do that, and then we um yeah, strike me wasn't a lot of them either.

So yeah.

That's great.

So maybe we can like chat between means too about like prepping for how do you designs what that might look like and where the process that might be really contact?

I was gonna say I really enjoyed following the project on social media.

Yeah, TikTok in particular screen goes on seeing.

Oh um but yeah we can we can do that and and we um yeah strike me wasn't a lot of them either so yeah that's great so maybe we can like chat between means too about like prepping for how do you designs what that might look like and where the classes that might be we have to do them in touch I was gonna say I really enjoyed following the project on social media yeah to talk in particular so you want to video some that video that you guys posted was great it was so nice she wanted me to play there's video and there was one time I like turned it on without realizing I had my volume all the way up and Tommy was like atmosphere in my house a lot of conversation if you if you want to hear fine negative feedback uh you can look at those uh was it the super media post oh yeah but let's go don't don't I didn't never reconstruct I know there was one uh uh I think it was the Instagram post where someone was like I'm just gonna be doing 20 years ago like okay cool like we did it now you know yeah the best kind of angry phone that's a great deal any other thoughts or questions for Delhi about the sequel or something in the RSA any specific um proposals for just quick bills to be done on small corridor I'm curious if that's a bit of that there were some things like well there were some specific things like uh water filled barrier at Roshan oh that was a spot I don't know that it have to be a water barrier if that was a spot that was explicitly identified that's what the weight terms for the radio yeah because people are filtering right over there yeah um so uh you know and that's like that's up within the sort of six month bucket on uh RSA um and that table with you know the timelines um we're about like a year out from that now so it might be worth yeah according with Sean for review or what's in there that like yeah we could then again remain more pace I'll follow up with it's thank you oh the other thing is that when they will being sold lies instead that Lysense closing said you are encouraged to put stickers on the vectors she stuck like 10 stickers on there so I don't know that anyone else was really vandalized our our fan stickers put celebrate decorating supported yeah one question I have is because the the um up only go away in the winter are are these intended to stay for through the winter and the plan yeah definitely at the intersection yeah okay um because like you don't necessarily need to get a clock in there we're not gonna yeah we just have to be aggressive in terms of uh uh discussing the stockball spectrum just to make sure that we put them there diligent that they're there and they don't like the model um yeah well yeah exactly the flex posts are what you see coming up that hill like the planter's kind of reflectors um so that could be posting stickership stickers i yeah like I didn't for some you probably noticed it's a little break in it because we we're up to put those you noticed that it was trash and inside and crash truck actually down there and that's I mean you want to mention that for a twenty uh put a couple of them yeah yeah I was gonna mention that too I was that's how they get up first time actually back up and okay knowing it's getting late um can we read item number five into the check open additional updates can just you are and blog share and Kyle Delgada Janet a project management awesome before we jump into the lighting update which Kyle's been very able I think sure of us but I'm okay um I just have a few quick very quick things to share in additional updates one is um our fellow task force member Rachel Peterson who's moved so she texted me today so she can issue the place but she sent me love which says this is you all in a statue province which she's back in school someone send her phones yeah so we can we can make her join on Zoom in the future yeah but um uh so we will be looking for another member of the task force who represents um someone who lives in the ward and gets around by walking or biking and so um I'll put my thinking cap on as a member of the neighborhood obviously but if other folks have ideas uh folks who are active participants in things please let me know and we can uh get that person um and she apologizes for not putting us now earlier um uh so that's what should I hear today um two other quick things one is uh we celebrated Woktober with ARP on North Main Street this year we went on a walktober walk with members of ARP and a few members of the task force that's there how was there a bunch of folks and um it was really nice we just kind of like walked up and down the corridor with ARP they videoed it um they were putting out some of the same things we've noticed before too but the goal of walkover um is really just to get out get people walking but also highlight the things in neighborhoods that make it difficult to get around by walking um or other forms of um non-car transportation so bought whiking well wiping is out of word walking piping and scooting wheelchairs any sort of access mobility um and so we did a number of walktober events um but was excited to have one on work main and kind of tail back a little bit toward benefit we had folks from Benford Street join us as well so it was a good walk it was um it was a little chilly that day but it was a good walk yeah but the broader oh yeah that's the one that was pulled that was all that none of it was nice yeah uh and we also got to meet Jess's dog who didn't oh I said she didn't like that but that's the best

Um, and so we did a number of walked over events.

Um, but was excited to have one on north main and kind of tailed back a little bit toward benefit.

We had folks from Benford Street join us as well.

So it was a good walk.

It was um it was a little chilly that day, but it was a good walk.

Yeah, but the broad one was a lot so we're gonna.

Oh, yeah, the wrong one that's the one that was pulled back.

Okay, none of us.

Yeah, uh, and we also got to meet Jess's dog.

Oh, I said she didn't like that.

But it's the best.

It was the best.

There was the best.

We all had our best fun.

Um, and then my last quick update.

So one that was really fun, and we have the video from that, so I'll share that around too because um Catherine uh Taylor from ARP.

ARP is a big focus on walkability and um vision zero and trees, which has been really great um to make sure that people all abilities um can get around all ages, all abilities.

And so um, they've been a great partner a lot of this.

And then the other thing I just want to notice uh share that since our last name g businesses have opened on North Main Street.

So one is further down, but still on North Main.

There's a new coffee shop.

Um yeah, the name of which I'm forgetting, but it's a really great um spot.

It's by um the X O bar, it's across the street and the XO bar, and they also hire folks with developmental disabilities, and so it's part of like a training.

Yeah, do you are you?

I I went there Sunday, and it was fantastic.

Yay!

And what is it called?

Yeah, it's like big easy budget.

Yeah, I mean, um, it looks really great.

And their opening was fantastic, and people are really uh uh really excited about it.

And the other is further up, yeah, um, really close to the um car wash.

I can just add it as an intersection to in-home care.

Um so there's a new um the building has been there for a long time, it's been vacant, and it's under new ownership, and they it's like a large very group of facility on the inside that now is training nurses for in-home care for folks who need hospice care or any sort of like in-home care.

There'll be a couple hundred nurses who do training there and then use that facility kind of on the regular, and they're really excited.

They just moved, they were in Cranston in a smaller location, and they were looking for a spot that had ripped to access that was part of the community, and that was a little bigger.

And so we were really excited to welcome them to North Main Street, and um uh had like a really lovely day with them and um uh when they opened, but they were really excited to do the freelance in the neighborhood.

So cool like new thing in the medical space.

Um it's like in-home care, yeah.

Um I thought they just expanded and included France, and I know we are gone from France and you're only in on the here, but uh, but they were like they were really great.

Um so just two exciting like new things happening on the street.

I know economic development has been part of what we talked about, even though uh a lot of our focus more has been the safety, but really um building that it was um it had been vacant for a while, it's just south of the um car wash for a long time it had a sign on that said calm shell.

So I don't know, I don't know what the number was, but it's called whatnot.

In home care, yeah.

It's really nice.

We're green line, basically.

Yeah, the green line still owns that.

Okay, I see evidence of work, yeah.

But I um residents is fine.

So I haven't called into them, so I'm not sure what it is, but I will follow up.

Okay.

No, it's on the east side.

The in-home care is on the east side, headed north, just south of the uh south of the car wash.

And then shell side, yeah, yeah.

And they called it up, and uh Kyle, do you want to share um the lighting updates?

Um and I'll also say I'm so excited about the lighting updates.

So Kyle give all the details and then we can talk about it.

Yeah, I'll be pretty brief.

Um we are approaching uh like a positive closeout very soon.

Um, but you know, if you're approaching that scene, uh Doyle Avenue uh light there, you will see that there are new regular lights in that medium there.

So we've installed 32 new diverted lights um between the Doyle and Brandle, like in that university marketplace area.

So those are up, those are installed.

Um, the main thing that I'm doing now is for maybe the energizing bubble.

So between uh RIDA, um around energy, Prism, City, uh, you know, the engineering department of GPW um were basically just onto the energizing phase of putting the transformer in there and doing some underground network to get all of its power.

So I'm really trying to push that along because we're square and you like seeing the sign and that dark area is coming very fast, way quicker than that.

Yeah, dark periods here.

It was like dark at 5 p.m.

Yeah, so my fingers crossed aggressive approach to this is to try to get that done by the end of this month and get those powered.

Um, so I'm really trying to push them on and get those there's some permitting that we have to do.

Um, you know, long story short, there was some consideration that we may have to do some ribboning up of the street to have you know find a connection there.

But it's actually found that right had an unused connection point that was in the median, which avoided a good amount of trenching order that would have been you know, kind of detrimental to our budget, and just um, you know, with this time of year with the moratorium coming up, maybe not have been feasible.

Um, but we were able to find a connection point that I squarely in the medium.

So I am working with all of the stakeholders there to get that power up and then we should see those coming um soon.

I was wanting to give Kyle Jill a shout out because this is not an easy thing to project manage.

There are so many moving parts, both actual physical moving parts of things being installed, and also just like which permit do you need for what and where and how and who needs to push what button when and other people and all the people just having busy lives.

So Crow's done a really just amazing job about like keeping the trains going and like um poking you and I need to be poked you to do my poking, you know, like hey, we need to have you do this, but um, it's been really helpful.

And we saw the um these lights uh were installed right before our walkover event, and Kyle can test that I screened.

I was so excited.

I saw it was like oh, I'm gonna like that in front of it.

Yeah, I think it's like all in the middle of the median just to like check the mouth take pictures.

Admittedly, there are jump into the median.

Yeah, there are some that are installed a little closer to the trees than I would have um admittedly.

So um I did ask before so we can just go out there and assess where feasible trimming can happen.

Um, you know, there was a significant amount of machinery that was in that main area.

So he did mention that there was some disturbances in like maybe some of the tree health there.

So you want to not trim too much of the detrimental to those trees.

So he's assessing that right now.

Um, you know, that's one thing that you know, if I could have gone back and physically before we did that, I wish I did.

Um, but overall, 32 lights there.

Um, once they get powered up there, I think it will work absolutely great and really help out with the visibility.

They're gonna be in the 360 direction there too.

So really excited about fingers crossed and this month, we should see that.

Hopefully, um the other aspect of that is the southbound side of North Nation Barrow.

You're having 10 new poles installed over there.

Um, we're gonna put 10 new cobra heads kind of back areas.

Um, we are coordinating right now with RIDA on again, tree trimmings over there just to maximizing the amount of um lighting that can go.

But in this case, we're gonna reap a um RIDA trim the tree first and then put the lighting up so that we can kind of minimize any potential damage there.

Um, so we should hopefully see that as well coming up in the next few weeks.

I actually did just get an update from Sean today that they um in the project maybe the schedule that tree trimming aspect, so we don't have a confirmed date on that yet, but it's in the pipeline.

So after that, you should be seeing tank of additional lights going on the south uh balance side of the barrier.

Um also been really helpful in making sure that the over starting is bright up out of the day.

I'm like crowd type person, but the um lights are gonna have these they're gonna be situated such that there's no real backlighting going into the burial ground because as we know, there's like wildlife which there's all it's like that is a dark area and it should remain a dark area.

Um, and so the lighting will be on the street, but not just urban coyote and other habitat.

Yeah, I'm gonna revisit this, but for example, they did mention that they need to have some batch shields as well to kind of minimize that.

Um, that hasn't been relevant a little bit, so I would like to register and refresh that idea, and I would like to see that.

Um, but for all intents and purposes, once lighting at the median is energized, and we get those new lights along the southbound area of the burial ground, then that'd be like you know, our project pulls out for the ARPA um allocation that we had there.

So that's really exciting everywhere to execute that.

And I think it's been you know, it's it's been you know, complex coordinating with the stakeholders, but I also feel like they were all of this.

Yeah.

Um, we we brought them along pretty early and just explain how important this was.

I think everybody has been pretty communicative and responsive.

So, you know, I'm eternally grateful for our partners at Ryda R energy, prison public property, BBW.

Yeah, you know, everybody has you know come along and really persuasive on.

So I do want to express gratitude there.

Um, and then I do want to discuss the public property that second phase of the size trees, um, that feed in.

I've mentioned that a number of times here.

That's not currently budgeted for with what we're doing here, but I would like to advocate and find some money where we can and be able to expand our lady networking to that both make sure.

Yeah.

Some next meeting topics too have emerged of like discussing the second phase, what that could look like.

Maybe we bring in doc uh director or union, and maybe some of these like other um quick builds could be another potential thing.

Um I will also share one other quick update, and then I will really let us uh adjourn at some point um because people are hungry for dinner.

Um is uh folks have been noticing that our task force gets things done.

They're like, oh, this isn't just like a meeting thing, you guys are like actually accomplishing stuff.

This is amazing.

And so I know, yeah, nobody's got time to sit around.

Um and other council people have been like, how do we do this for branch?

Or what about this?

So folks are trying to look at the model that you guys have really like put forward and like the great work that you brought to the table to figure out how to like get at some of our tactical issues in some of the other areas of town.

So I just wanted to say like thank you.

And um uh that's really awesome that people are inspired by all the things you've been doing and like the the way it's execute.

Um, and I won't let them steal Kyle from us um when they try and do that, but um you know the remaining, but uh it's really exciting if people are but also a lot of other standards like all of the behind the scenes work that Sue has been doing all along, which is a tremendous work and effort.

So thank you while we're the chair, absolutely.

Um, and with that, can you read item six into the agenda?

Public comment.

Awesome.

Uh do we have any public comments signed up?

Rant, do you have any public comment?

Not tonight.

Not tonight.

Anybody else?

I think everybody else goes, yeah.

Check us out.

Well, with that, do I have a motion to adjourn?

No, we don't have the floor on the public.

Yeah, you can't put that.