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Providence City Council Sustainability Committee Meeting - April 20, 2026

City CouncilMonday, April 20, 2026
BodyProvidence, Rhode Island
SessionCity Council
DateMonday, April 20, 2026
StatusFILED
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12:11

So can you please read item one into the um record?

12:15

I don't know one resolution to promote sustainable and effort funding for stormwater and single management.

12:24

Awesome.

12:24

So we um I think Councilman Davidson and I both put this uh resolution forward earlier this year.

12:31

Um, recognizing the great work that uh city um under the leadership of uh director Jalen Cruz has been doing on stormwater, knowing that there is um an increasing issue with stormwater in our city, increased flooding, increasing access to climate change.

12:46

Um this is saying that we want to work together with the city's sustainability department uh options available to address uh storm or issues and best practices from similar size similarly size cities and potentially and most likely to use it for translator this session um to address those challenges.

13:05

So this just is a resolution.

13:11

Um cross the community presentation on that in her court or supportive of it and work with it later, please forward on this steps.

13:40

I uh I just would like to add as a newcomer to this process.

13:45

It was just incredible to come into such great work having already been done.

13:57

Absolutely responsible to work.

14:06

Quite a bit.

15:04

We've seen sick holes, like if you want to take it since we're sick holes that happened.

15:10

There were there, yeah, and along Bobton Boulevard, there were sinkholes and there are um at least two houses in two sewage entered as a result of the top same.

15:23

I know the uh scrolls come up with both and non-works in one proximity of what replacement.

15:34

Yeah, so in the report that the task force put out, there are some wall park um numbers, but I know the department of sustainability is working with the consultant called Raf Tell us to like look through different options for how we would fund that and talking about different school because some of them will be you know that the agent infrastructure replacement, some of it would be all kind of green infrastructure to like better absorb the water because they go and want to be consultations on the spotlight.

15:58

Or there's an area that's like really overpaved, right where all these houses and sewage issues there's not she potentially might take waste that paything as infrastructure's worth it's not so this is for people who may or may not be familiar.

16:14

This is where Butler and Blackstone intersect, or like in black still becomes like a one-way on each side on the south or the end of it, and that whole area is at the end of a watershed, all of the water in the area comes literally one, but everyone could one house, you know, in that neighborhood.

16:34

And they have had repeated floods, they've got erosion in their backyard, it's been a very big deal.

16:41

So the initial plan that the city developed in conjunction with the Blackstone uh park services to as well mentioned to establish a large area of read infrastructure using plants and so we can reuse to divert and absorb the stormwater.

16:59

However, and then in a moment where I've really planning, um, the department of public work pointed out that many of the pipes underneath that area compromised hold the wrong size.

17:12

There's one place remember this is the place where we need stormwater diversity votes, and right there there's a place I believe where pipes go from 60 inches to 40 inches and back to six, they just like all kinds of like poor, like just you know, poor planning or just patchwork sort of work being done over the years.

17:31

So what's happening now actually is the city is first replacing the underground infrastructure that is happening now on our board, and I really want to bring a lot of attention and energy to it.

17:41

We're going to be setting up a tour for anybody who wants to participate, and all council members will be invited to be able to sort of take a look at this area to see the great work that DPW is doing to replace those pipes, and then demonstrating what it's like for different parts of the city, DPW and clerks in this case to work together with an independent nonprofit to coordinate and get all this work done.

18:08

Very excited about it.

18:09

But I think the real important thing to note is before we do anything above the ground, and we can it's important to look underneath the ground.

18:18

It's really why we to be able to find a way to above that part.

18:22

In this case, it's small enough.

18:24

I'm able to find the bug board, but that's not sustainable.

18:28

Yeah.

18:29

Also on a show note we have as part of the task force process leading up to it.

18:33

The city's achievement of engineer Frank Hoffman did a map of all the underground infrastructure across the city, which we hadn't had before, and so we can see all the like stormwater pipes, all the sewage pipes, all the combined pipes, and actually know where things are because we reports this you have no idea what's in the ground.

18:51

So he mapped all that out, and that's all I think that's all online now.

18:56

But yes, it's all online, yeah.

18:58

You can type in your address and see like what it's like.

19:02

Um so that was also a really black problem because city's still old here.

19:08

Cool.

19:08

Good job.

19:10

Other questions.

19:15

Yeah, so first we'll prove the transmission, but then um Priscilla and her team are working with the consultant um and we'll work together collectively across the capsule and the administration to develop an ordinance that would figure out how we can start the house as well.

19:30

So that would be presented to the council.

19:35

Uh just a question.

19:38

So we would be the first um municipality in World Island to do something.

19:44

We're potentially gonna be the first municipality, but I think we're also talking with important and meriting with the at the same time.

19:50

So there was a question like oh, should we raise to me first?

19:52

And then um it was also like maybe we could all pull hands to do it together.

19:56

So we've been in conversation with the director of uh resiliency and DPW for your work about that.

20:10

She's like a resiliency director, and then also they're CW director.

20:14

Yeah, they like combined.

20:15

So we're also in conversation with our C if there's like a holding hands version.

20:31

So approved made by Councilman Royce.

20:35

Second by Councilman Jess.

20:37

All in favor.

20:38

And they post yay, okay.

20:40

Thank you very much.

20:41

Um can you please have item two revisit directors?

20:44

I mean number two.

20:58

And act relating to health and safety dash building benchmarketing, benchmarking and reporting act of 2026.

21:08

So I sponsored this resolution.

21:09

I don't normally do resolutions in support of um general assembly bills because that's their review, not ours.

21:16

But um this one is uh written based on the building energy reporting ordinance that this council passed unanimously.

21:24

So um representative Kislack and Senator Palman who were um actually my count by um general assembly reps um are the sponsors for this and it's built off of what we passed and I've been uh general assembly to look at how and we're about to hear a presentation on it, how well the cities are implementing it, or it's not like it's like a pretty uh baseline thing to do for uh carbon emissions.

21:49

And so since we uh were the first city in Rhode Island to pass the Bureau of the Building Energy Reporting Words and this thing is based off of, I wanted us, I was hoping that we could then support them taking the next step trying to do the same thing.

22:02

So that is what that research is, which is not supporting the state resolution.

22:09

When is the hearing?

22:10

They hear it has happened, but they know that we put this resolution.

22:13

Oh yeah, yeah.

22:15

Um support question if the city were to pass it with problems, what's the doing?

22:24

Yeah, we would still do large.

22:25

So is the state go to it would be extending it to the other cities of the house.

22:34

Oh, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, resources.

22:40

Would it be state buildings only?

22:44

Or would every municipality be required?

22:46

It'd be state buildings, like how so our bureau is municipally owned buildings first and then large buildings, and so this would be all large buildings, including state buildings, and right now the state is starting to like voluntarily do pair buildings, but they're not like required to do it.

23:00

And it's we're gonna hear like even just and like when they presented last year of the stable.

23:06

Um just starting to do the benchmarking, you like learn a lot and you start to save money, and so state should not be doing this with the building.

23:16

It's just better taxing, but basically then you do their buildings and then commercial buildings above a certain size across the state.

23:23

So there's certain municipalities like probably situated, I don't know, you don't have things large enough to comply, so it's not really like uh Providence going first is that uh so David and I just want to shout out we're gonna hear from you in a minute, but David and Priscilla and the State Department did like Young's work um working with Rhode Island Energy, which is a PPL company, they had never done this season now, but the building energy recording organized was first being drafted um in the last council called Council, um national grid was the utility, and they had done this kind of thing in Cambridge and in Boston, and they had all this experience, and PPL did not have this experience when they took the U channel when we took around business.

24:11

Um, and they did a lot of work to like clear the path because now it's understanding some classically uh take advantage of the DJ make the process of her.

24:28

Uh PPL owns multiple sort of across the country or yeah, so they're based in uh and then they have this.

24:37

So they call it just sit here.

24:40

Yeah, I'm surprised I never had that experiment.

24:44

Yeah, give it how large they have.

24:46

Yeah, they'll have um utility.

25:00

It was a learning curve for the in terms of like energy efficiency, clean energy, and all that.

25:07

And Priscilla and I both serve on the state's energy efficiency council, so we've had similar experiences.

25:22

Excellent motion point two for made by San Chat.

25:30

Awesome, I have it.

25:31

Um please read item three uh record presentation from Department of Sustainability and Implementation of Building Energy Reporting Ordinance and Carbon Neutral Municipal Buildings Ordinance.

25:46

Uh speakers are Priscilla Delacruz, director of Department of Sustainability and David Rugerio, Energy Resilient Administrative in the Department of Sustainability.

25:59

Well, David and Priscilla make the way up.

26:01

Can I set a motion to answer your presentation as a direct number one?

26:06

So second.

26:07

I was like all in favor.

26:11

And then you look at the copy of your organization roadmap.

26:20

All in favor.

26:23

Awesome.

26:23

Welcome, David and Priscilla.

26:25

Thank you.

26:26

Thank you so much to meet for this in everybody.

26:29

Okay, cool.

26:30

Thank you for joining us.

26:31

We're so excited that you're with us.

26:33

And so just to briefly like let them in.

26:36

Um we give me an update for a word.

26:39

Remember, we passed October 2023, and the current coordinates that we have some years ago, and then party work in Reddit, as you can see in the court.

26:48

And as you guys said last week, we introduced um thinking we're gonna be setting up the municipality and commentary on that.

27:09

So I'll stop talking about the facilitated thing for that for all that.

27:14

Yeah, thank you so much, um, Chair Woman and um thank you to other counselors who have um for your leadership in this work.

27:22

Um so we're excited, David and I to share with you what we've been up to.

27:26

Um director of building of the city of Tropics, and David, um we're lucky to have him as our now director of energy operations for the city of Province.

27:35

So I'll pick things off um and give you a quick overview of where we're at with our building energy reporting ordinance, the bureau program, um, since we um have developed the program over the last few years, and then David will get into the two-year progress where we've been since we all passed the energy efficiency and carbon control coordinates for municipal buildings, and they'll talk about the roadmap, and also um we'll talk a little bit about the purple screen revolving time and how it came about.

28:07

So, first just quick reminder of Department of Sustainability, who we are, what we do.

28:11

Um, you know, at high level, we work to create policies and programs to create a healthy low carbon climate resilient and environmental departmentally just city.

28:20

Um we are a team of six, um, and every year we're lucky to have a URI energy funnel.

28:27

Um, but in short, how I'd like to describe us, um, we are your team for um achieving um achieving how we improve quality of life in the city of Providence, and we do that by finding innovative ways to save money and also avoid costs and generate government less we fulfill our big mission of how do we make this a better place to live?

28:51

Um so that's a team you're hearing today for me and David, also deputy director of our energy manager manager Andrew Broccolo.

28:59

He is now the brain behind the operations of the building energy reporting programs.

29:04

He couldn't be here today, um, but what you'll hear about is reflected in his report over the past two years now.

29:11

Um, and then we have our um basically communications working here, Julie, um Deerman, and so if you were gonna stustability policy research.

29:21

All right, so the director.

29:23

We have a 2019 climate justice plan, it's nationally recognized.

29:27

There's over 50 plus strategies in that plan.

29:31

It really looks intersectionally um at the issue of climate justice by looking at transportation, housing, energy, you need right.

29:40

It's really um a whole list of that.

29:42

What we'll focus on for this presentation is the lead by example, right?

29:47

What we do when it comes to our own carbon footprint and the role that we as municipal government municipal operation played over achieving um the climate justice plan.

30:00

So we will start off with the building energy reporting program in 2023.

30:04

That is highlighted in this climate justice plan, and also the by example is highlighting what do we do about our buildings.

30:13

And I will say that you all took it further by really codifying with the mayor that we're gonna phase out fossil fuels from all of our buildings.

30:23

All right, so getting into the error program.

30:26

Um the beer program, um by the time that that mule passed this, um, and then the mayor time and 12, we were already looking at best practices for developing this program.

30:38

Um and we took advantage, of course, that David has experienced in working with other municipalities around the region.

30:46

Um, and one of the things I stress whenever I'm at the State House advocating for this program that the state should do this because we figured it out.

30:55

Yes, we are the first in Rhode Island, but we're not the first in the nation.

31:00

So that's where David and his expertise came in to really look at how do you actually create a program that's going to drive meaningful change towards having property owners reduce their energy usage and also save money.

31:15

Um so we wanted to design program that was going to actually result in reducing greenhouse gas emissions, although we don't have something called a performance standard, it's not a requirement.

31:26

Our building energy reporting ordinance only requires that the city and large property owners disclose every year their energy usage.

31:35

But we took it a step further.

31:37

Um we said, how can we develop a program cost effectively?

31:41

We don't have a lot of resources to work with.

31:44

Um, and how do we write how do we do um how do we do more with less um in terms of developing a program?

31:51

But also how do we ensure that we can help our free owners unlock energy efficiency investments that will help them save money.

32:00

So I'm happy to report that that is exactly what our program is doing, and I'll tell you a little bit more as to how we're achieving that.

32:07

Um other thing that we focus on, we wanted to be collaborative.

32:11

Um, we knew that, for example, the utility program and energy under PPL's now leadership would be doing this for the first time.

32:19

So we really wanted to figure out how do we do this right with them so we can achieve our objective of ensuring property owners can reduce their usage and also save money as they're reporting every year.

32:33

Um, and lastly, um, in terms of our bureau program objectives, we wanted to deliver a model where the state could say, but we could say to the state, you're welcome, we've done it for you.

32:45

Now you can replicate this model.

32:48

Um, and what I when I'm oh, sorry, I missed out this.

32:51

Oh, just recognizing House McDorgan's.

32:54

Um, when I'm at a state house, I have gone before the House and the Senate testifying in support of benchmarking.

33:02

And when I'm up there, I say I'm not suggesting that cities and towns do what Providence has done, right?

33:08

We don't know what resources they have, like we were able to bring to the table.

33:12

But what I am suggesting is that the Office of Energy Resources can replicate our model and support cities and towns to do this, um, not only for their buildings, but for also to support their large property owners.

33:26

All right, so program.

33:27

Andrew Brokerville, who I mentioned is our energy manager with this live together, and I love how he really um explains concisely the importance of energy benchmarking and the why.

33:38

Why do we do it?

33:40

We do it because we need to compare, um, we can compare our buildings' performance to similar buildings to understand the energy performance of that building.

33:50

Um, and you know, of course, we are thinking about climate justice, we're thinking about the carbon pollution of the building, but also when you invest and improve the building's performance, you will reduce your operational costs.

34:03

And that's what our program were proving, right?

34:06

By the work that the city is doing leading by example, and then it's a win-win.

34:10

At the same time, you're mitigating environmental impacts that we have on our communities because of our buildings.

34:16

So, what we've achieved over the past few years, um year one, uh, we successfully reported for our municipal buildings that are 10,000 square feet and above, or who had energy and had energy usage throughout the entire year.

34:31

Um, last year, um, for the first time, our large property owners, 50,000 square feet and above reporting.

34:38

Um, and what I will say was very encouraging when Andrew proposed reaching out to large property owners, they were saying, Oh, great, we knew this was coming.

34:47

We were just waiting for you to tell us how you wanted us to report.

34:50

And what we found is that these large property owners were already doing it because it makes sense, right?

35:00

They know they know that if they invest more energy efficiency and clean energy, they can stabilize their energy costs and they can drive down right their energy, they can produce energy savings, but then they can reinvest into their bottom line.

35:12

So that was really encouraging to see reaffirmed when working with large property owners.

35:19

And where we are this year, um, we are working with the buildings that are 20,000 square feet and above who are reporting.

35:26

Um so in terms of the progress, um, you know, we feel very confident that we've developed a program that if we were to have a hundred percent compliance, that means every single building where we have nearly uh close to 900 buildings, including the city's portfolio of buildings that's reporting.

35:48

Um the majority are the large property um private land property owners, um, that we can manage that program.

35:56

And that's because we've done that collaboratively through partnerships where we didn't have the capacity, we were able to break off the capacity.

36:03

So we work with a group called Fearland Energy who works with other municipalities around the region to manage their energy benchmarking programs.

36:12

For example, they work with the city of Boston.

36:14

So of course they can you know work with us um to deliver the kind of program we have.

36:19

Um, and they have a platform called B.

36:22

It's basically a fancy cloud software where you know we said we not only want to communicate, we not only want to ensure that property owners can in a very seamless way report their energy usage, but we need to be able to give them the tools.

36:37

So through their beam platform, we can communicate with them, we can offer them guides and resources at a click of a button.

36:44

We can email them all notices, we produce a newsletter.

36:48

So it's a very engaging program that we've been able to develop with clearly energy and through their beam platform, and then as um constable would mention um energy.

37:00

Um they're under national grant, there was a platform called there is a platform called Energy Star Portfolio Manager.

37:08

It's offered for the EPA.

37:09

Happy to report that that still remains intact despite all the other clawbacks from the Trump administration.

37:16

So Rhodam and Energy did not have a seamless way for their billing portal to connect with this portfolio management tool, and that is what our building owners need to upload their energy usage and do it for free.

37:30

So what we were able to achieve through a lot of advocacy and also a lot of relationship building through David and Andrew was to ensure that now we have a seamless connection.

37:41

All not only has Rhode Island Energy delivered a billing portal that is for free, they don't have to be in Providence.

37:48

Um, anywhere around the state, any property owner can upload their energy usage, click of a button.

37:55

They just say, yes, and Rhode Island Energy, share my energy usage data with the City of Providence, it goes into energy start portfolio manager, then Beam analyzes that for us to clearly energy.

38:07

Um I was asked at the State House how long does this process take?

38:11

Maybe 15 minutes, maybe 30.

38:13

It just depends how stabby the person is at creating the profile and navigating those savings, those steps.

38:19

So again, it's a very seamless process that we've developed.

38:23

We wanted to make sure that the property owner did not feel a burden when trying to have different platforms communicate.

38:30

So working with Rhode Island Energy and Finley Energy, achieved that.

38:34

So again, that's where I say to the state, you're welcome.

38:37

You figured out that challenge for Rhode Island Energy, don't have to worry about that.

38:41

Um, lastly, just wanted to leave you on a data point.

38:45

Um, when we sat here before you last year, we said for 2025, we think we'll achieve a 15% compliance.

38:52

That means um about 15% of the buildings that are due to report will report.

38:58

We've blown through that.

38:59

I mean, the national average for a program of our size, our infancy, right?

39:04

We're in the early years, is maybe 20%.

39:06

We achieved 42.5%.

39:09

So I'm very proud of David and Andrew and our team because that just shows that our approach, our framework is working.

39:16

Um, of course, this year we're working with the building owners that are more medium size.

39:21

So I think that's gonna be our two baseline for where we'll be at for the next few years.

39:28

All right, I'll stop there.

39:30

Do you want to hold questions to the end?

39:32

Do you want to take what does anyone have any questions or about your response?

39:36

Yeah, before you properly neutral.

39:38

Such detailed presentation.

39:40

Anybody have any questions?

39:41

Yeah.

39:44

But does anyone have questions?

39:48

Cool.

39:48

Let's keep going.

39:49

All right.

39:50

Let's get it's right.

39:53

All right.

39:57

Yeah, two minutes.

39:58

Uh two years of progress.

40:00

And I'm not going to be so long in energy efficiency and bubble neutral.

40:04

Do all of the decarbon ordinance.

40:06

Yes.

40:07

Can we say it frequently and uh so let's see how might so keep achievements since that ordinance passed.

40:21

A few things were already in motion.

40:24

Uh but we'll count them all under this outbell right now.

40:27

Um, and I'm listing really four things throughout this presentation and throughout the roadmap that you have.

40:33

We focus on energy efficiency first.

40:36

Best thing to do before you engage in electrification clean energy so investments, and then we'll take a look at where we stand for savings.

40:46

Uh, but for energy efficiency over the last two years, two and a half years, uh, we've had energy efficiency projects in 60 buildings, 60 out of 130 that you'll see tonight.

40:59

Um, that is from very a number of sources from the sustainability office from PVSD uh from the Zoom from TOMS.

41:10

So we total 60 buildings, mostly lighting uh controls, BMS systems, and some HBAC upgrades, but also included some of the new construction cities too.

41:22

Uh all total, we're counting about 3.2 million dollars in utility incentive office having an extended to this.

41:30

Doesn't mean that we're always taking up on an office, doesn't mean that we'll achieve the requirements and programs, but that's a pretty good junk of bundles.

41:39

Uh we'd be nice to get it all remote back into a money.

41:43

Yeah, that would be so great.

41:44

We revolve even so we also have thanks to um we are uh retro commissioning program that goes into school, several conditions tuning up your car.

42:01

Basically, if you go into a building and you say how should we operate?

42:04

Is it let's reset it?

42:06

So they've done 18, I believe 20.

42:09

I got an email yesterday saying so.

42:14

That is the foundation we need to do uh if we're not electrifying our buildings and at least maintain the electrification projects in the last few years touched 22 buildings.

42:26

Uh that's complete electrification, so no more fossil fuels.

42:30

Uh that's 1.2 million square feet or 22% of this city's building portfolio on the 30%.

42:40

Yeah.

42:40

Uh most of those projects are on target to finish uh over the next few years, um, all of them wrapped by 2020.

42:49

May I ask a question about that?

42:51

Do we have a target for electrification?

42:55

100%.

42:57

But the ordinance says we can't have any natural gas in the buildings except for like a version.

43:01

So that's our natural gas primary heating systems.

43:11

Um decarbonization or clean energy, some people say solar, but there's a lot more involved with this.

43:18

Uh we have done rooftop solar assessments of all 130 buildings in the city.

43:23

Uh 60 of them came up as likely candidates.

43:26

That number would be reduced because you go further in some uh the analysis.

43:32

This was high-level uh analysis as we want.

43:36

We have four solar projects under development, so we saw the first one the other day.

43:40

Yeah, uh pictures now.

43:42

We have stuff all over the place, rails, panels coming together down into broadly expandings.

43:48

Um we have um we have that for about seven years now.

43:54

Um 29 million kilowatt hours or 29,000 megawatt hours of off-site removal under contract.

44:02

And the important thing to remember here is that in 2029, a few years out, we take ownership of the environmental benefits.

44:10

So when people say power has all the buildings, that's how we do it.

44:15

Uh and you'll see later that everything that we're proposing won't get us to zero emissions.

44:22

And David, if I mean the other important set, and also outside renewable energy, it's a it's a two-fur, it's like we'll oppose environmental benefits that will aim reclaim, but in the meantime, it's also giving us savings on our electric bills about one point uh million year.

44:40

So and then in terms of just savings uh over the last it's it's tough to say that hey, the ordinance passed in 2024, that's our baseline.

44:50

Uh we didn't have a full year under that program.

44:54

We are still just now finalizing our 2025 now.

45:00

So I went back to three-year average from 2022 through 2024, and our energy use is down by about seven percent seven percent.

45:10

Uh we would expect with a um the decarbonization effort like produced uh gas use and staff, and our emissions are down by about 6.6 percent.

45:23

So there is progress going forward, and this is taking into account changes in our portfolio size over the years, I don't have patterns and like some two work by year savings because the hard method stuff.

45:41

So pause for one second.

45:42

I just want to point out, I know I'm always like off the curriculum.

45:45

Like this is a stepping amount of work for two years, so I just want to like point that out.

45:52

You know, so so less than a couple of years that this will be effective.

45:59

Like that's a lot.

46:01

Thank you.

46:01

Yeah, yeah, appreciate that.

46:02

Thank you.

46:03

There's a lot more that we could be done.

46:05

Yeah, but we're on the way.

46:08

We need to say you're up to 1.5 million dollars in savings.

46:14

Yeah, we've had what we had that offsite solar contract.

46:19

Well, 2019 the contracts were signed and went into effect.

46:24

So six years on the seven years or full operators.

46:29

Yeah, I think part of that too is when we also set up with the schools, we were able to also give them our bill savings, but also actually cashed out some of that and provide the actual monetary dollars.

46:46

So the order the D car board has specific priorities and timelines, and that's what's driving all of our take a look at and how we manage to address each of them is well slowly, I guess.

47:03

There you go.

47:04

Those are circles, they're not very circled, those are highlighted in March frames right now.

47:11

They have been addressed to decarbonization, all of the buildings, so energy use, uh, carbon emissions use, energy measures, electrification, solar, uh, all that we found in key.

47:25

Um playing both feasibility of thermal energy networks and expanding thermal networks.

47:34

We've been able to do this from it's actually been recent, so it's that dominated our entire six-month period of time.

47:41

A uh P3 plans private partnership.

47:45

We've got an important line dollar grant as well as A couple equity cooperation uh coalition from main capital.

47:53

Um, that is brought up we've always thought and also we didn't so work with DOE capital program, technical assistance program for heat pump.

48:04

Okay, we identified four locations where mass points in the case.

48:09

Yeah, and if I could just explain here, what we're trying to explore that you know, we wouldn't again be the first that Brown University has been looking at the second project.

48:18

So instead of having uh an air source heat pump, we're looking at ground source heat pump, but then connecting them to a district, and what that does is that weekends have into multiple buildings.

48:30

So it's like the bigger scale you are, the better the numbers look for these type of projects, and the bigger the savings are.

48:37

So that's what we're exploring, right?

48:38

We're at a historic time where we are um you know constructing new buildings, but reconstructing schools, so it's really figuring out where those potentials, you know, could there be a district keeping loop between central high school, PCTA and some of the private buildings in that area?

48:57

So we're again trying to like be innovative and also go ahead and think about um you know how do we achieve the biggest success of reducing emissions, but also reducing cost for everyone because we know we also are facing an energy crisis, right?

49:14

Costs are soaring through the roof, so it's figuring out where do we have the means to stabilize.

49:19

So that's why we're really interested in deploying some of these thermal energy networks or district needing use.

49:29

And then the last group uh in yellow, they're ongoing uh schedule investment grade audits.

49:36

Uh the utility is not likely to do that for free, so we do them as we need them.

49:41

Uh we are creating CIP plans, our first year they asked us, probably a few projects.

49:48

I think we're putting over 25 projects and 20 billion dollar requests, take it back over.

49:55

Uh school electrication, we think we've all those people should be very good shape.

50:02

Uh and there's our email exchange so we know the robot tools being used in the buildings in all of the municipal buildings power by energy by 2033.

50:14

We can be all of the cities apart from the 203 for clean energy, just if the amount of representative beginning from the offsite.

50:25

So any questions.

50:33

I'll just try it's about to get into the D car program and one of the things that we knew we were doing, but I think that maybe that's part of the process where we're delivering the roadmap assessment based on what you uh broke in the ordinance to.

50:50

I'm just like really proud of the team that we were left and blocking and running at the same time because we knew that there was just so much opportunity, right?

50:58

So we achieve those achievements that we talked about.

51:01

So I think we really challenged ourselves to say we're gonna have to figure out how to do these projects as we're creating the roadmap of plant or how we're gonna achieve the project because we could enough opportunities, you know.

51:17

And we'll talk a little bit more about some of the federal tax incentives that are also going away.

51:22

So I think we're awesome.

51:24

Okay, we're gonna have to walk run at the same time because time is of the essence.

51:33

So do you all have hopefully you all have copies of the program that's available online and it's great to uh it is a guide, it's a program, it is not a set plan to phase up fossil engages in the city all street buildings by 24.

51:52

Again, we're about 22 percent of the way there in terms of uh projects that are in the field folder.

51:59

And it really is a path for suspending will reduce our total energy use by our emissions by about 82 percent, and our energy expired about 64 percent just by doing what is in this uh roadmap.

52:16

So it's affordability and changing how the power key to how it's really problems and key two themes ones about the entire roadmap, which you should be aware of the city of problems for the way it consists of as you see the bottom line 30 buildings, a little bit more we didn't like to space with three bucks at the zoom, lighting and see equipment in anyway.

52:49

Um, and there are two properties that picked out people purchased and a few buildings that we've lost with the last few years.

52:56

So as the plan gets updated, you see those numbers shift.

53:00

Uh, most broken down by what I administrated, public property, PBS parks, and then the zoo.

53:11

We did that for a number of reasons.

53:13

One is different staffs, different budgets, and really different portfolio, public properties in charge of making sure that a lot of people are wanting to have enough light to do their work.

53:25

The zoo has very different uh commitment.

53:30

So as you look through this, you will see a summary of the entire city previous on maybe six or eight pages, and then you can get into the multiple pages of public problem and 40 pages uh for the schools, and it falls out as you see below there.

53:47

Um the energy efficiency electrification, clean energy on sites or clean energy off sites, and those colors reflect the colors that we have as well.

53:59

Um and as you see as you walk through all of those and you start looking below that to the emissions reductions, the emissions from energy efficiency is about seven percent.

54:22

So from our baseline, 19,500.

54:26

Well, metal taxes equivalent emissions seven percent be reduced in efficiency, 34% through electrification, taking away all the fossil giving to a grid, it's not 100% clean, but we still reduce emissions considerably.

54:45

Uh bond site solar, which would give us about 20% of our total building energy use by the end of 2040.

54:54

So we don't have a lot of proof space.

55:00

And then the balance, that's pay the balance.

55:03

We'd go to our offsite energy.

55:07

Again, you'll see a lot of what's coming up with sustainability, and say, well, we use 37 million for what costs electricity.

55:16

Are you including spaces in the streets to buildings?

55:21

Yes.

55:26

But when you're looking at the buildings, you really want to take a look at the 73%.

55:36

Square footage is lost 73% for the emissions.

55:42

That's where the focus has to be.

55:46

And then where we have the opportunity right now.

55:50

Schools program to make great price.

56:02

Any questions there?

56:06

This is a really interesting thing.

56:07

This is like a really important framework too.

56:09

So we can see how it's broken out and different approaches.

56:12

Like I just find this really clear and helpful, yeah, because it's actually so much there for oration.

56:21

Um are you looking communications with uh Ryan PSD while all this new school construction is happening?

56:29

Is that what you mean by projects?

56:33

Are we in communication?

56:35

With Brian and uh state yes to varying three.

56:43

Uh last year, we're definitely uh working with Brian funds, was still instructed for the schools, field program.

56:56

Um talk to Joe Silver Dr.

56:58

Joe quite a bit.

57:00

Um we're constantly talking with both the operations and the kids' staff long-term planning rebuilding the schools rest with public property.

57:14

Um that's our advantage, right?

57:16

John Resuminian meetings and strength related to that of thinking about schools, but I'm also thinking about other buildings.

57:27

There's a potential huge carbon impact when a property is destroyed, um, or you know, substantially rebuilt.

57:36

Sure.

57:37

Um I assume that those costs, even though they believe that for the savings are not getting back to this.

57:44

This is just about actual usage.

57:46

They're not this there are three scopes of emissions, seems enough.

57:52

It's which is good.

57:53

Scope one and two are covered for in this road.

57:57

So three, which is off-site, which is trash, basically, we ship it off-site and emissions occur.

58:04

Um they are not factored, so that would be much larger than they weren't in the movements.

58:15

Yeah, that's just an issue.

58:17

But like that's it.

58:18

No, you can't.

58:23

Yeah, yeah, go ahead.

58:32

Okay, yeah.

58:33

Thank you very much.

58:34

Um is going fine.

58:40

I know my colleagues is getting a lot of complaints, so I don't know.

58:47

The LIDA energy is charging double and delivery charges.

58:52

You use 100 dollars and you get whacked with 200 delivery.

58:57

They use the same thing.

59:01

Uh use in different drugs.

59:03

Is any way that where we can work all the land energy is going is charging loss.

59:13

Now and delivery charge, even the reproduction are on electricity through the solar panels.

59:20

So wow, there's so much in that really good point.

59:23

Uh there's so much there, uh, a couple things in terms of first thinking about Rhode Island energy, and then we got the billmarks with the supply, distribution, transmission, transmission costs.

59:34

Um, yes, we're at a time where there's so many things happening in the external market, and because electricity is primarily sourced by natural gas, it's really spiking up the cost for everyone.

59:48

Um, so from this standpoint, um it does not, it's not impacted because multiple bits, it's not the Rhode Island energy, we're not getting a bill for our buildings for energy.

1:00:00

We're not getting a bill for our family for family energy.

1:00:03

We we do separate procurements of all of our municipal usage, so that's a way we've been able to stabilize our costs.

1:00:11

Yeah, that's the point I already made that when you can actually aggregate usage and compete with what we're highly energy officers of buy, that's a way of really tackling the affordability issue.

1:00:24

Um but what I will say with this is that this is a way like David said, when we just try to work, um we are actually working on our own energy affordability because energy efficiency, electrification, clean energy will stabilize costs because it's reducing energy usage.

1:00:44

So that means that cost for everyone is going to drive that.

1:00:48

So although we're not directly tackling that bill issue, the system, the electric rate itself is much better off.

1:00:55

And that's the more longer game, and yeah, I can add into like um so one, all that, um, and then two, councilman.

1:01:04

Like uh right now, one thing that's happening is outside of our control, maybe we should be done with it, I guess we're gonna investigate all of those um delivery and transmission charges, which is under RIV distribution and transmission charges, which is under delivery kind of like sections up there our bills.

1:01:22

Um, and right now we're gonna be proposing to greatly increase all of those charges.

1:01:28

So that would be something if the council like sends a letter about or like shows up to meet the hearings on.

1:01:34

I think that could be helpful.

1:01:35

Um, seeing that the delivery and transmission charges.

1:01:40

Um I have many feelings about what this is and many professional opinions about it, which happy to chat about, but like I think one thing that this council could probably do is like send a letter or some testimony to the public utilities commission as they're made next.

1:01:53

I don't think they hear from other municipalities, and we're hearing from our constituents every day.

1:01:57

And like just as another aside, you know, this council passed on last week or two weeks ago, sometime really recently about when the utility could tear up the roads, and I've reported to the public utilities commission about that being an issue that like we get all these complaints, and they had never heard those complaints before.

1:02:14

So, like we need to be like telling them what we hear from our constituents is people don't know, can't it's not a process that our our constituents don't want to participate in.

1:02:24

So we can speak up and quickly want to know that we do we do have like what is it, 700, 800 um utility accounts for island energy.

1:02:34

So those transmission distribution costs do impact us, sorry, it's the supply where we have more control, but 100% agree with the concept woman.

1:02:43

It's like that rate docket is so vertical to the future of our energy costs.

1:02:50

Right, please, of course.

1:02:52

Because what happens we buy electricity for different sources, right?

1:02:56

So they produce the energy or they buy by bulking huge items, and they still need they still use the line of energy to deliver it.

1:03:06

Yeah, and that's where we that's where we're getting work.

1:03:09

Yeah, so we have the provided switch and then the province.

1:03:13

Oh, the province community electricity program, yeah, yeah, yes.

1:03:16

That's for the supply.

1:03:17

That's yeah.

1:03:18

So I buy electricity for them with two cents cheaper than the regular, but I'm getting work through the delivery charge.

1:03:26

Yeah, and that was that was my question.

1:03:28

If we produce electricity in this roof, that is coming directly into the use that we consume it.

1:03:36

Yes.

1:03:37

And I don't want these inclusive to go through the system because they will charge us the liter charge.

1:03:43

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:03:43

That's when I want to avoid them to cut them and say, yes, use the cable direct from the top to whatever we need.

1:03:50

If we need to buy it in form or something to reduce the impact to spread the electricity, we might have to do that too.

1:03:59

Yeah.

1:04:00

And councilman and all that needed to actually, but on um this slide, I'm not sure if you're here yet for the slide.

1:04:06

Um, and if they're actually copies of the slides, you can forget.

1:04:10

Um they've been evaluating our rooftops for which ones can do solar, so they've evaluated all 103 uh buildings.

1:04:17

Yeah, I want to think because that would also help like reduce the cost space.

1:04:22

Yeah, yeah.

1:04:25

Yeah, anything you want to add about solar.

1:04:27

I mean, it's it's like not only driving emissions, but also stabilizing costs.

1:04:31

Yeah, and we've also that you do where the supply cost can be, it's actually a fixed cost over this term or however.

1:04:46

Um would you looking at 12% issues?

1:04:50

It's 20% of our blood power will be coming from our service, 20% fixed cost years.

1:05:02

Sometimes with schools, and I'm just gonna place to the technical because it does deal with looking at battery storage systems.

1:05:15

Thank you for the setup.

1:05:16

Yeah, we have announcement.

1:05:18

And if you uh you can monetize our buildings, I'm gonna get into that right now.

1:05:25

And it's it's don't think of them as just a liability where we have to keep paying for electricity.

1:05:31

Uh we can manage that electricity on the ground in the house, uh, in-house, in batteries, and get some money coming back.

1:05:40

So I'm just gonna start from the top, which is just what the next steps are the last two years we have done the line.

1:05:49

Um, what we need to be doing today and every day will go forward, is we have to start aligning and load that probably planning to roll this up to all the programs, uh, and look at butt budget and project planning, how it aligns with decarbonization.

1:06:06

So we're looking to expand the number of solar projects for investment tax credits.

1:06:12

Um in phases in uh July this year and December this year as well.

1:06:21

Uh we're looking to sign out as many projects as possible.

1:06:24

We have about half of the mega under agreements, uh, dollars coming back in investment tax credits.

1:06:33

We'd like to triple what you're doing that uh and would have four years to build it out.

1:06:39

Um we're also exploring deep carbon service.

1:06:43

Um performance contracting has been around us for generations, uh, and now decarbonization is a service.

1:06:51

So we have a firm command uh and people can run entire project.

1:06:57

We need to pay them out of savings as well.

1:07:01

So we're really looking to I hear this from Anthony Alice all the time.

1:07:09

It's the middle of the winter.

1:07:10

Well, let's be more active now, our capitalist.

1:07:16

So that's been long-term.

1:07:18

So I don't plan and try and implement it all at the same time.

1:07:23

Uh, I think one of the most important things, you know, is again throwing up my iPhone because it's so important.

1:07:30

Everyone has an iPhone, everyone gets an operative system upgrade every few weeks, every two months.

1:07:35

Everyone gets a new iPhone everyone to buy a new one.

1:07:39

Yeah, you know, here should get a new one.

1:07:42

Um, buildings, if they're being built in big condition, will have building management systems, so very advanced technology, both in the equipment and an operating system.

1:07:54

That's how you start monetizing your assets.

1:07:58

You can all of a sudden you find out it's it's a 90-degree day uh starting at three o'clock, and the utility wants to turn down the building literally, not crash, roll back all the usage to buildings, they will pay for that.

1:08:15

You will see savings come back in terms of energy not used, keep to technology.

1:08:21

Uh so it's reducing costs, it's reducing usage, it's reducing carbon.

1:08:26

Um, and it also allows us to participate in revenue generating utility programs.

1:08:33

The utilities are hard pressed to produce more energy.

1:08:36

So if you can save energy and cast it on down the line, they'll pay just to participate.

1:08:42

We did a study three years ago, going on three years ago, with some of the older buildings that have their 17 including the schools.

1:08:50

If we enroll those schools, those buildings in demand response programs, we would have gotten over a million dollars in five-year period of time in ramps up every year, yes, as you bring more online.

1:09:06

We now have all electric buildings with cutting edge technology.

1:09:11

I think that number would be double to triple, uh, but it's enrolling them, it's having the staff.

1:09:19

So that's that's important to start working towards that.

1:09:22

Then we are working with finance work property to make that happen.

1:09:28

Um developing public private partnerships.

1:09:30

We talked a little bit earlier about the ground source heat pumps that we've had um founders with our line brought institute, uh again University Hampshire and Capital programs, which is not GO8.

1:09:46

So we're finding ways to expand uh technology that's pursuing uh opportunities to deploy thermal networks.

1:09:55

I was at an event at Harold House today.

1:10:07

Um and through barrel, we have this numbers, make some connections.

1:10:14

Uh they have many properties that join our schools or not our schools, which would be great thermal networks, and the beauty of higher family building is that it's the exact opposite uh schedule for keep use as a school, and you can trade your energy.

1:10:33

Don't need to use the battle, we need to keep us.

1:10:37

So we are expanding those through uh private partnerships and hate state and public partnerships because I want to say 12 minutes public partnerships.

1:10:48

Um I will say that was very powerful at the state house if that has to be you know, besides your municipal buildings, you have data or an anecdote that you can share about why that target's important, and it's like look, property housing the guardian was reporting their energy uses to us.

1:11:04

We were able to point them, right?

1:11:07

Look at the data and connect them to OER and say they have available that's ready for 160 something heat pumps.

1:11:16

So that's the power of sparking.

1:11:20

So and then identifying new funding and finance mechanisms to advance more projects.

1:11:27

Um just gonna get into that shortly.

1:11:30

Um what we are looking really is to reinvest in the incentive.

1:11:36

Um we have leverage a lot of on-mill work payment uh through Rhode Island Energy from one thousand dollars right now, so there's no games or more capital.

1:11:51

Um we need finance state approval as long as it's at least one dollar savings when you put at the end of this.

1:11:59

Um it's all good, and we almost want to 20 different projects, but it's we get to 30, 40, sometimes 50 percent of big personal solar heat pump budget and storage projects, which can amount to millions of dollars.

1:12:16

Um, which now uh submitted approval, and that she can stand back.

1:12:27

So she's gonna watch that unless you have any questions on that side.

1:12:32

Any questions?

1:12:34

Any questions?

1:12:35

Jill I'm wondering, I don't know if you will know.

1:12:39

Um, I know that OER right now has uh battery repay and other sort of incentives that they're offering commercial and residential customers.

1:12:50

Right.

1:12:50

Is any of that available to municipalities?

1:12:53

Yes, well, so the Sean of England regularly, she's running those programs.

1:13:00

Um they had some of that locked up for a while.

1:13:03

We know that it's freeing up now.

1:13:07

Um we don't believe it's advantageous to use the battery unless we've been sold for the solar to generate yeah, I could I don't even think they're giving um any sort of incentives on batteries unless they're we have the new stores.

1:13:21

So we have micro grids planned right now for Johnson Rec Center.

1:13:26

Um we'd like to expand the communications, but PCTA is really the sweet spot, and people will tell you that is a shelter for one of the south east Massachusetts part of it.

1:13:42

So we'd really like to see that happen, and they have an expansive roof.

1:13:45

Yeah, uh, and they can support that procedure.

1:13:50

Thank you.

1:13:50

We are in touch with the gladly use that just right.

1:13:57

So uh going back to cost and efficiency, um become more efficient and to the upgrades, the solar, and everything that we're doing.

1:14:12

Uh I think that whenever we save a dollar for the customer is probably a dollar to the company loses.

1:14:20

So we're seeing or experienced any resistance from uh energy providers such a run energy tomorrow fixing the car, the less money that we're there's a lot to that.

1:14:37

I know we are here.

1:14:38

Yeah, probably just have their point at this as we save a battery here, it's a dollar, but they're not getting.

1:14:46

But it's a dollar our constituents safe.

1:14:50

Exactly, but that's but yes.

1:14:54

Exactly.

1:14:54

So it's it's not their interest is not last same.

1:14:58

Yeah, they're interested in that our customers.

1:15:04

Yeah.

1:15:04

Yeah.

1:15:05

Well, are they gonna come back uh and increase their rate?

1:15:08

So therefore they don't want to lose so much.

1:15:11

At what point do we say we have the gas benefit from this?

1:15:15

I mean, and so if you know, you want to add to this one, um share woman.

1:15:19

So through the energy efficiency concept that we said on people get this, where um the and sorry, I'm standing on it's a big question.

1:15:31

Um so uh they receive what they we call a uh performance-based incentive.

1:15:38

Um for yes, thank you for um their work in energy efficiency.

1:15:42

So the PUC is saying, you know, um, you administer the energy efficiency programs.

1:15:47

If you do this really well, we will pay you for that.

1:15:51

So they're actually incentivized to do better energy efficiency programs.

1:15:55

But what you're tapping into, there's a natural natural tension there, right?

1:16:00

Because they are a fossil fuel-based company, right?

1:16:04

Um so but but like to your point, Councilman Um Sanchez, is that they are regulated by the PC, and there's existence loss to try and figure out that nuance.

1:16:14

But I don't know if there's anything.

1:16:16

Yeah, I'll turn it into like the way that the utility currently is regulated, it's all every state does it differently.

1:16:23

So all this like choose your own adventure of the general assembly.

1:16:27

Um the way being chosen in Rhode Island to regulate the Rhode Island energy, is that they get paid a percentage of all that's how they're so they want to make to councilman Marks' point for the infrastructure distribution transmission, they want to spend a lot of money on infrastructure.

1:16:45

And so us doing this is maybe not something that they love because they would like to build more pipes, they'd like to build more fires.

1:16:54

Um other states manage their utilities, some do it the way we do it, some do it that they have like more of a performance base.

1:17:01

Like if you meet other goals, like you know, efficiency goals, like how you customers, it's more performance space than just like how much do you build.

1:17:10

So these are questions that are full of catching from there's just different ways to do it.

1:17:18

And so, based on how they they are currently regulated, they would like their shareholders have an incentive to want to build as much as they as many pipelines and as much infrastructure as possible.

1:17:28

But the PUC and also the General Assembly can encourage them to do to have it like they can be meanable in other ways, yes, and uh uh that those are policy choices.

1:17:39

And so the way that we're doing we're saving our taxpayers' money, they're not always going to be supportive of that because like if we prevent them from building additional pipelines, they might already build more pipelines, but uh uh with state existing state law and potentially future state law, and the other thing to do, but it's all like a choice for utility sustained.

1:18:00

Um you could be weighing in on that as a body of the piece that we don't need to be.

1:18:04

Because right now, the choice, the policy choice is cost procurement.

1:18:08

It's the cheapest form of energy is that it's the window use energy efficiency.

1:18:13

So that right now is proven, right?

1:18:16

Continues to be proven to be cheaper than building our new supply.

1:18:20

Um yeah, but that's a that's a great point.

1:18:24

Um the other thing is that we should know that we do have a strategic energy management partnership or like the utility.

1:18:33

So because we have strong energy efficiency programs and they're incentivized to do this work, they form strategic partnerships, and we're one of them where they're actually trying to give us more money to do this work, which is a big yeah, and there's different ways to build out clean energy that make the utility happier or less happy, and like it's a question about how many cares feel about those two or our taxpayers, but like with the offshore wind, for example, they earn a rate of return off of that offshore.

1:18:59

And that was like an incentive that they got to like if you want to like support that and be comfortable with it.

1:19:04

Um, and so they have forget what the percentage is.

1:19:07

It's like two percent or something.

1:19:08

So they can earn a rate of return off that.

1:19:09

There are ways to like manage this to not make them more and less closed.

1:19:14

And so they can continue to the positive thing I'll say is like continue to maintain the electric grid and walls still exist, the pipes uh underneath natural gas system.

1:19:23

And two points really feed on the street that I'm seeing that Rhode Island Energy pool supply there to spend residential and commercial gas electricity.

1:19:36

They really see problems as the ground rule they're able to spend their municipal energy efficiency in one place, it's less work.

1:19:47

Um so we do see enhanced incentives, and we've been uh to work wonders with them.

1:20:00

Um incentives become less um generous, and they're moving it towards time of use for that's what we covered in an earlier slide, which is it's how you operate and when you use the energy.

1:20:14

It's it's not only a problem with quantity of energy, it's peak demand.

1:20:20

It's when you're using it.

1:20:21

You know, if you use you know 20 to 100 kilowatt hours a day, uh, but you just use 100 to 23 hours, and then the next down the final hour you're using all of your energy.

1:20:35

Um that's the problem.

1:20:37

And so what they're trying to do is say work with us to flatten out terms, how we energy is use.

1:20:44

That's where we see money being put in.

1:20:47

It's sold, it's battery storage, it's reducing the spending for access.

1:20:52

So, yes, there is this double-edged sword, which is too much when we start taking from them.

1:21:01

And there was also one final thing.

1:21:03

The um Brown University did a really interesting study both island but elsewhere to look at how and Isaac was part of this study.

1:21:11

Oh, yay, okay.

1:21:12

Um sorry, I got really excited about that.

1:21:15

Looking at how how our utility and other utilities intervened or like provide testimony at General Assembly as far as another space, and they do push back against the energy investment system.

1:21:27

And Isaac was very quick underground to talk about that uh offline as well.

1:21:32

But uh that is a that was a really good question.

1:21:37

Did you that was a great question?

1:21:39

Yeah, work on it.

1:21:41

I think it would be like a question like how we think how is getting like a monopoly that it's only one company that we have, and that's why they can do even if they have the utility regulation, it's only one company, they don't have no competition, and every time they take to do something different, like now that they charge them more for delivery charge because they find out that they're losing customers to buy energy from them.

1:22:15

You know, like probably 190,000 people buying energy from the new program that we have, they lost they lost 190,000 people because they swap to uh to a new and that's where they feel in the day they seem the margin, so they they're trying to find out where to charge more to compensate the loss.

1:22:38

Now going back to the battery, how how far we are from the battery to hold the energy.

1:22:47

So right now, um the meaning DPW headquarters will have battery storage.

1:22:52

Um we're also looking at JOSM for battery storage.

1:22:56

Um we're hoping that these projects right will be up and running in the next two years in the timer of construction.

1:23:04

Where else are we looking at that research?

1:23:06

Um we put in CIP requests for Elmwood Community Center and Artland Communications.

1:23:12

Okay, so Jocely, where is going to be the battery storage?

1:23:17

Um we would have to get back to you where we're actually doing the analysis.

1:23:26

So with physical batteries maybe um Jocelyn is it's been proposed if you're small, not shed, uh, but a building extension.

1:23:41

Share that with you, so we do have it.

1:23:43

Um same with uh GPW to be housed in an exterior building.

1:23:51

How far away are we asking?

1:23:54

Well, right now, Jocelyn, um, I believe the building itself, the renovation would be completed by October of July 26, and then the solar uh part of it will start as long as that building is up and running and all that is right.

1:24:11

So I think by the end of this year, ideally starting construction.

1:24:18

Yeah, so on earlier than that, but we wouldn't want low.

1:24:23

We're not working for the school, we will in the bank.

1:24:26

Yes, we are, yes.

1:24:28

Are we going to provide energy from the same solar from gasoline into the school or two different it's gonna be one large array but across the different buildings, right?

1:24:40

It would share both the system would share school and JOS.

1:24:46

If you if you can you please involve me, I I would present those tools.

1:24:52

Yes, we'll get them to you.

1:24:55

And we can walk through the design and anything you would like to do.

1:25:00

I will get you to a helmet to working with it.

1:25:05

I know it's exciting.

1:25:07

Um then to to close this out, just want to um say we mentioned this earlier.

1:25:13

We were lucky that as we were working on projects, working on the decarbonization roadmap, um the policier capital working with a group of eight thickly kicked off a municipal investment fund project, and they said if we give you 250,000 dollars, what can you do with that?

1:25:32

We said we can um complete our tech harmonization roadmap, but also look at public and private partnerships, right?

1:25:39

What's the right framework to do these type of larger projects with private building owners, but also we want to learn how to do it when we're evolving by because when we were here in front of you last year, we said that there's all these incentives and rebates and revenue, it would be great to find a way to reinvest that money into future projects into the next round, right?

1:26:00

So we can just continue replenishing that dedicated amount of funding.

1:26:04

So with this funding, we were able to do just that, and it's so timely because David mentioned um these ITC credits, right?

1:26:13

They're credits that have been able to provide incentives to non-tax accepted organizations under the Biden administrator administration, they did something historic.

1:26:25

They said, you know, municipalities, nonprofits can get up to 40% of these federal tax credits, and we couldn't do that before.

1:26:34

So that made it even urgent, more urgent to figure out how to actually fund these projects, secure as much um ITC credits as possible.

1:26:45

Um that grant allowed us to look at best practices for the walls and funds, where I think this slide is just showing you identify where you want to make potential improvements in a building, type tech clean energy.

1:27:01

Um to fund that investment, and then you repay it back with the savings or incentives for rebates.

1:27:10

And what we did here is say, all right, let's figure out how to do that, tie it to the carbon or um DCRP um coordinates, right?

1:27:18

So strictly for that.

1:27:20

Um this is something that we work also to in terms of competitions with public markets.

1:27:25

We'll realize great, this is our directive, now we need dedicated components to this.

1:27:30

Um, and now through this fund, once you've all passed it and it's enacted into law, right now it's a reportance by Club School and Anderwall, um, we will be able to have capital improvement budget dollars dedicated.

1:27:44

Um the initial sheet funding would be three million dollars.

1:27:47

Um, and then like we said, we're gonna find ways to reinvest those incentive and rebates back into future projects.

1:27:54

Um, and like all things we want to be proactive.

1:27:56

We identified a number of products and we've calculated how much money can come back so that we can invest it in the next round of projects.

1:28:04

So for us, this time is of the essence.

1:28:06

We don't want to leave money on the table.

1:28:08

And David has estimated if we let's say in terms of the number of projects we can handle, we could be looking at over four million dollars coming back to the city if we can actually pursue those projects.

1:28:21

Um so we're really excited about this.

1:28:23

Um we work with plant communities, um, sustainable energy endowments and a power options, all people that are experts in this space to figure out how do we do this for the city of Providence because they've helped other municipalities figure out how to do this.

1:28:39

Um I'm gonna leave it at that.

1:28:43

Any comments or questions from I can say is thank you for such a presentation for the work of so much in just a few years tell me what we're gonna be to addition years.

1:29:02

Thank you.

1:29:04

It's a pleasure working with you all.

1:29:06

I just want to agree with our majority leader that this is like you guys are stunningly confident, and like it's like a lab.

1:29:17

I mean, this is what we talked about when we're passing the coordinates, and I just it's like I'll probably Friday night uh that I'm just like so excited by how much you've done like how well you guys are implementing this, and um, I can't wait to um finish reading the roadmap and uh yeah, just so raising competent as like a tattoo on the catch.

1:29:38

I love that and now councilman Vargas is an environmentalist, and I think very excited about this.

1:29:48

Yeah, following the truth.

1:29:53

I know, pretty simple.

1:30:00

I know that means we keep the lightways, especially great ideas.

1:30:11

When we go to the public with this is public, not to the after the uh what we own CD.

1:30:20

Oh, after your point of the private has to implement the large buildings to do the building energy reporting, they're not doing the carbon neutrality.

1:30:36

Yeah, counsel question.

1:30:38

Yeah, I will say I think that we're gonna be able to kick off those conversations because the 2019 climate justice plan, we're gonna be talking to Providence communities about updating that plan.

1:30:50

So I think that will update right how we actually achieve all those goals and talk about one of the things that that we realize in the department.

1:30:59

Um I like to think that we're small and mining.

1:31:02

Yeah, um, so thank you for the encouragement.

1:31:04

Um, is that we've been able to do a lot of programs that are more inward-facing, right?

1:31:09

Like sort of getting our house to order, getting us roll position to bring in cost savings revenue, but really figuring out then what does the outward facing look like?

1:31:19

How do we interact more with the public to support communities to do this kind of work?

1:31:24

And that's why I'm also really excited about the public private partnerships, right?

1:31:27

Like I think that will really deepen the community impact if we can figure out how to support more of that work.

1:31:34

Great.

1:31:35

Thank you.

1:31:35

Yes, Council.

1:31:37

Um being on this committee is very humbling experience because I this is not my wheelhouse, and I just learned so much.

1:31:46

Um as your department saves the city money, um how does that play into expanding the the workforce you department so that we can have a greater reach and save the city more?

1:32:04

You know, how like you all thought about that?

1:32:07

Like how everything's the director, they put in their budget requests, and then this body and the um what's the ways and means committee will be reviewing the budget and uh um recommendations for staff.

1:32:26

Ways and means I will say an example of that is when we think about um programs tied to stormwater and storm management, like we're thinking about that, right?

1:32:34

How do you bring in enough funding so then you can bring on the adequate staff to manage that?

1:32:41

Um we're working, you know, in our division of energy um really hard to continue um being even more effective at what we do, so over time we can also add you know more more staffing, right?

1:32:55

Because it's like and I think the green revolving is gonna is gonna take us to the next step, right?

1:33:01

And being able to do now capital improvement planning and to carry been more savings and revenue, and that's in front of this committee, so we'll vote on that in a couple weeks.

1:33:12

Okay, okay.

1:33:13

So I'll final oh wait.

1:33:18

Um we always have public comment on the agenda.

1:33:21

So you guys can relax.

1:33:22

You're done.

1:33:24

Um we have we have a number of the public out of public comment, um, and no pressure to have public comment, but we always talk about public comment.

1:33:33

No, you don't have to have actually you're a member of the public.

1:33:39

Oh, oh yeah.

1:33:41

I know um does our future mayor have a comment?

1:33:44

Would you like to say anything?

1:33:46

Let's go.

1:33:48

You can be shy as well.

1:33:50

Do you have a public comment?

1:33:52

She's just she's gonna go out there.

1:34:02

I do actually have something.

1:34:04

Oh yeah.

1:34:04

Yeah, introduce myself.

1:34:06

And so um say your name for the record piece.

1:34:08

Okay, Jason Cash Tan, resident on Word3.

1:34:11

Um they can pick it up.

1:34:15

Oh, sorry, stand folks.

1:34:16

So we get the yeah.

1:34:21

I'm Jason Cashtan, I'm resident of Board 3, and I live very close to them okay.

1:34:25

Uh so I've been helping out with another I was dietitian colleague and are helping out kind of doing some of the court is helping all the folks that are involved and we build PPST for LK side of things.

1:34:40

So I can help you who need to get in touch with the LPM, who is gonna be working on I can help you get in touch with them in coordination.

1:34:50

Yeah, folks.

1:34:53

That's all right.

1:34:54

Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say we have that public property, but it would be wonderful to still connect with you because whatever people are talking directly to the community, we we love to have that connection.

1:35:04

Sure.

1:35:05

Awesome.

1:35:07

Yay.

1:35:09

Yay, okay.

1:35:09

There's no for your business during motion to turn.

1:35:14

Sure.

1:35:14

All in favor?

1:35:19

Um well

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Summary of Proceedings

Providence City Council Sustainability Committee Meeting - April 20, 2026

This meeting of the Providence City Council's Sustainability Committee, held on April 20, 2026, focused on two resolutions and a detailed presentation from the Department of Sustainability. The committee discussed sustainable stormwater funding, state-level building benchmarking legislation, and the city's progress on building energy reporting and decarbonization. Council members and staff highlighted significant achievements in energy efficiency, electrification, and renewable energy, while also addressing challenges such as utility rate structures and the need for dedicated funding mechanisms.

Consent Calendar

  • No consent calendar items were identified. All agenda items were discussed and voted on individually.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Jason Cashtan, a resident of Ward 3, spoke during public comment. He offered to help connect the city with a community-based organization working on stormwater and green infrastructure, emphasizing the importance of direct community engagement. The Department of Sustainability expressed interest in collaborating with him.

Discussion Items

  • Item 1: Resolution to Promote Sustainable Funding for Stormwater and Single Management – Councilman Davidson and Councilman… (the resolution's co-sponsor) introduced the resolution, recognizing the city’s work under Director Jalen Cruz on stormwater issues. They noted increased flooding, sinkholes (e.g., along Bobton Boulevard), and sewage backups in two homes. The resolution calls for working with the sustainability department to explore funding options, including green infrastructure and underground pipe replacement. Councilman Davidson highlighted that the city’s engineer, Frank Hoffman, mapped all underground stormwater, sewage, and combined pipes for the first time. The committee discussed the need for a dedicated ordinance to fund stormwater management, potentially making Providence the first municipality in Rhode Island to do so, and noted ongoing conversations with other cities (e.g., important and meriting) about a coordinated approach. The resolution was approved by a unanimous vote.
  • Item 2: Resolution Relating to the Building Benchmarking and Reporting Act of 2026 – A council member (likely Sanchez) sponsored this resolution in support of a state-level bill based on Providence’s own Building Energy Reporting Ordinance (BERO). The resolution aims to extend energy benchmarking requirements to all large buildings across the state, including state-owned buildings. The council member noted that Providence was the first city in Rhode Island to pass BERO and that the state bill would build on that success. Questions were raised about whether the state bill would apply to municipalities other than Providence, and it was clarified that it would apply to all large buildings statewide. The resolution passed unanimously.
  • Item 3: Presentation from the Department of Sustainability on Implementation of BERO and Carbon Neutral Municipal Buildings Ordinance – Priscilla Delacruz (Director of Sustainability) and David Rugerio (Energy Resilient Administrator) presented an update. Key points included:
    • BERO Compliance: The city achieved 42.5% compliance in its first year for buildings over 50,000 sq. ft., far exceeding the national average of 20% for similar programs. The program now covers buildings over 20,000 sq. ft. The city worked with Rhode Island Energy (PPL) to create a seamless data-sharing portal, enabling property owners to report energy usage in 15–30 minutes.
    • Decarbonization Progress: Since the Carbon Neutral Municipal Buildings Ordinance passed in 2024, the city has completed energy efficiency projects in 60 buildings (out of 130), resulting in a 7% reduction in energy use and a 6.6% reduction in emissions. Electrification projects (22% of the portfolio, 1.2 million sq. ft.) are underway, with all projects to be completed by 2030. The city has 29,000 MWh of off-site renewable energy under contract, saving about $1 million per year on electric bills.
    • Roadmap to Carbon Neutrality: The presented roadmap projects an 82% reduction in emissions and 64% reduction in energy expenditure by 2040, through a combination of energy efficiency, electrification, on-site solar (20% of building energy use by 2040), and off-site renewables. The city is exploring thermal energy networks (ground-source heat pumps) with potential for district heating/cooling, and has identified four locations for such systems.
    • Green Revolving Fund: The city secured a $250,000 grant from the Policier Capital Group to establish a municipal investment fund. The fund will reinvest energy savings and incentives (e.g., federal ITC credits up to 40%) into future projects. David Rugerio estimated that if pursued, the city could recover over $4 million from incentives and rebates. The initial seed funding is $3 million, and the fund will be used for capital improvement projects tied to decarbonization.
    • Utility and Rate Concerns: Council members raised questions about Rhode Island Energy’s delivery and transmission charges, which have increased significantly. The council discussed the utility’s monopoly status and the need for the city to advocate before the Public Utilities Commission (PUC). Councilman Sanchez noted that the city’s community electricity program has helped stabilize supply costs, but delivery charges remain high. The committee agreed that sending a letter or testimony to the PUC on rate increases would be beneficial.
    • Battery Storage: The city is planning battery storage projects at DPW headquarters and the Jocelyn (likely Johnson) Rec Center, with construction expected to start by the end of 2026. Solar arrays at schools and other buildings will be integrated with battery storage to reduce peak demand and generate revenue through demand response programs.

Key Outcomes

  • Resolution 1 (Stormwater Funding): Approved unanimously. The council will work with the administration to develop an ordinance for sustainable stormwater funding, with a presentation expected in the future.
  • Resolution 2 (State Building Benchmarking): Approved unanimously. The council will transmit the resolution to the General Assembly to support the Building Benchmarking and Reporting Act of 2026.
  • Presentation on BERO and Decarbonization: Received and discussed. The committee expressed strong support for the progress made and the roadmap. Next steps include:
    • Expanding solar projects under investment tax credits and signing agreements for half of the megawatts under development.
    • Exploring decarbonization-as-a-service (performance contracting) to fund projects through savings.
    • Enrolling buildings in demand response programs, which could generate over $1 million over five years.
    • Continuing public-private partnerships for thermal energy networks, with a focus on school sites and other municipal properties.
    • The Green Revolving Fund ordinance will be voted on in a future meeting (likely in two weeks).
  • The committee acknowledged the need for additional staffing in the sustainability department to expand outreach and program implementation, tied to the budget process.

Meeting Transcript

So can you please read item one into the um record? I don't know one resolution to promote sustainable and effort funding for stormwater and single management. Awesome. So we um I think Councilman Davidson and I both put this uh resolution forward earlier this year. Um, recognizing the great work that uh city um under the leadership of uh director Jalen Cruz has been doing on stormwater, knowing that there is um an increasing issue with stormwater in our city, increased flooding, increasing access to climate change. Um this is saying that we want to work together with the city's sustainability department uh options available to address uh storm or issues and best practices from similar size similarly size cities and potentially and most likely to use it for translator this session um to address those challenges. So this just is a resolution. Um cross the community presentation on that in her court or supportive of it and work with it later, please forward on this steps. I uh I just would like to add as a newcomer to this process. It was just incredible to come into such great work having already been done. Absolutely responsible to work. Quite a bit. We've seen sick holes, like if you want to take it since we're sick holes that happened. There were there, yeah, and along Bobton Boulevard, there were sinkholes and there are um at least two houses in two sewage entered as a result of the top same. I know the uh scrolls come up with both and non-works in one proximity of what replacement. Yeah, so in the report that the task force put out, there are some wall park um numbers, but I know the department of sustainability is working with the consultant called Raf Tell us to like look through different options for how we would fund that and talking about different school because some of them will be you know that the agent infrastructure replacement, some of it would be all kind of green infrastructure to like better absorb the water because they go and want to be consultations on the spotlight. Or there's an area that's like really overpaved, right where all these houses and sewage issues there's not she potentially might take waste that paything as infrastructure's worth it's not so this is for people who may or may not be familiar. This is where Butler and Blackstone intersect, or like in black still becomes like a one-way on each side on the south or the end of it, and that whole area is at the end of a watershed, all of the water in the area comes literally one, but everyone could one house, you know, in that neighborhood. And they have had repeated floods, they've got erosion in their backyard, it's been a very big deal. So the initial plan that the city developed in conjunction with the Blackstone uh park services to as well mentioned to establish a large area of read infrastructure using plants and so we can reuse to divert and absorb the stormwater. However, and then in a moment where I've really planning, um, the department of public work pointed out that many of the pipes underneath that area compromised hold the wrong size. There's one place remember this is the place where we need stormwater diversity votes, and right there there's a place I believe where pipes go from 60 inches to 40 inches and back to six, they just like all kinds of like poor, like just you know, poor planning or just patchwork sort of work being done over the years. So what's happening now actually is the city is first replacing the underground infrastructure that is happening now on our board, and I really want to bring a lot of attention and energy to it. We're going to be setting up a tour for anybody who wants to participate, and all council members will be invited to be able to sort of take a look at this area to see the great work that DPW is doing to replace those pipes, and then demonstrating what it's like for different parts of the city, DPW and clerks in this case to work together with an independent nonprofit to coordinate and get all this work done. Very excited about it. But I think the real important thing to note is before we do anything above the ground, and we can it's important to look underneath the ground. It's really why we to be able to find a way to above that part. In this case, it's small enough. I'm able to find the bug board, but that's not sustainable. Yeah. Also on a show note we have as part of the task force process leading up to it. The city's achievement of engineer Frank Hoffman did a map of all the underground infrastructure across the city, which we hadn't had before, and so we can see all the like stormwater pipes, all the sewage pipes, all the combined pipes, and actually know where things are because we reports this you have no idea what's in the ground. So he mapped all that out, and that's all I think that's all online now. But yes, it's all online, yeah. You can type in your address and see like what it's like. Um so that was also a really black problem because city's still old here. Cool. Good job. Other questions. Yeah, so first we'll prove the transmission, but then um Priscilla and her team are working with the consultant um and we'll work together collectively across the capsule and the administration to develop an ordinance that would figure out how we can start the house as well. So that would be presented to the council. Uh just a question. So we would be the first um municipality in World Island to do something. We're potentially gonna be the first municipality, but I think we're also talking with important and meriting with the at the same time. So there was a question like oh, should we raise to me first? And then um it was also like maybe we could all pull hands to do it together. So we've been in conversation with the director of uh resiliency and DPW for your work about that. She's like a resiliency director, and then also they're CW director. Yeah, they like combined. So we're also in conversation with our C if there's like a holding hands version.

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