Hi, good afternoon, everyone.

My name is Nigga Sanchez.

I'm calling to order this special committee on ways and meetings Tuesday, July seventh.

Our time is five thirty-four.

Chair Sanchez.

Present.

Councilwoman Davidson.

And Councilwoman Graves is absent.

Councilwoman Peterson.

We have three.

If we are on the penalty of perjury, that the testimony we're about to get is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Yes, she stick your name to the record.

Yeah, motion uh soon will result.

Motion made by uh right share too or second by counselor Peterson, all over favor, aye, and news and extensions, any discussion.

Ayes have it.

Thank you.

Okay, thanks everyone.

Um this is our last big contract RFP that we've done.

So uh thanks for squeezing us in.

I have a summary document for you all that I'll give to Maya.

Uh motion to answer this as it would be on into the record.

Motion made by two or second by counselor uh Davidson, all of them in favor, aye, a nays and abstentions, a discussion is I sign it.

Thank you.

Okay.

So um this has been about a nine-month effort um to renew our uh speed and red light camera contract and add two new camera functionalities as pilot um for the city.

One is block the box and one is sound.

So we'll talk a little bit about all of those.

I'm joined today by Elizabeth Thetis, who you know who's our court administrator, um, and Wayne Jenkins, who represents the vendor who's been awarded this contract.

Um we started about nine months ago.

This was a collaborative project between the mayor's office, the court, police, um, looking at you all have known that we've had some problems with our camera functionality in this in the city.

So that was like a probably a 30-year contract that's been new, you know, vendors that have turned over.

Um so we issued an RFP and ran a competitive process, um, which was awarded to Vera.

We've been in contract negotiation.

The document before you represents the um at a high level, the terms of the contract.

Um, we have a few more legal tweaks to work through, but nothing that relates to the pricing of the scope of work.

Um, I'm just gonna voice over the scope of work and what we're doing.

I'm gonna let Elizabeth talk a little bit about um kind of what we're excited about as it relates to this vendor, and then let Wayne talk about what Vera brings and where they work in other places.

Um at a high level, this vendor is going to provide us new camera technology uh for red light, school zone speed cameras, and then the city's pilot for don't block the box, uh, which we just um extended the enabling statute for, so we can have three of those um and a pilot for sound.

Um, on sound, they're just gonna provide us with the information, but that one will be reviewed by police because it really is a pilot.

Um, and as a reminder, we've talked about this before.

We're gonna do two sound cameras and we're only gonna put them in places where the councillor who covers that ward wants one.

So if as a counselor you don't want a sound camera in your ward, we won't be considering that.

Um Courtney, questions at the end, or you want to take a um how are you gonna determine if multiple counselor is more than two or one or you gonna um we have about we have a lot of data about where we're getting complaints?

So I think our idea is that we'll start from the places of highest complaint and talk to those counselors about who's interested.

If we're successful, then we could expand this.

Um we uh right now started with two because that's what we budgeted for, but if there were a lot of counselors that wanted it and we were successful with two, that could be something that the council and the administration could work together on.

So does this contract allow um for us to add more noise?

We would have to come back with a change order.

Okay.

Um and then is the don't block the box, is that considered a pilot or is that it is because the state legislation only allows us to have three, and I think it's for two.

Three citywide.

Uh-huh.

And are you using existing data to determine where those get exactly?

We're looking at um, we'll rely on police primarily to tell us where we are having the most congestion.

Um, if this was successful, the only limit on this is the state statute.

So we could if we get this implemented in the fall and we like how it's working, we can all go back together in the spring and have it expanded.

Um just last question on the line right now.

Um is signage gonna be posted where the noise and the don't block the cameras, or is uh is that not yes like the yes process?

Well yeah, uh counselor Peterson.

Um we're the ones that are don't block the box right now.

We don't have oh never done okay, yeah, but we sure counselor Davidson.

Uh Clarify we do have sign that if we have signed it to tells people not the bottom.

Are we going to be using those locations likely or we're reassessing?

Cameras or is uh is that not uh yes like the yes process yeah counselor repeaters will put um um we're the ones that are dope level bucks right now we don't have oh never done okay yeah but we sorry counselor Davidson uh should clarify that we do have sign that if we have signed it to tells people not the bottom are we going to be using those locations likely or we're reassessing um I would expect that the location that currently has signs will be like the starting point uh because those are they've been signed because they've historically had problems um but we haven't had camera technology issue violations um on pricing I'll just you know we've included the pricing here I will say overall the pricing is more favorable than our legacy contract um and all of the expenses come out of revenue so while the contract value is you know um established we would only pay that if we issue enough revenue to cover those tickets so this is kind of based on projected exactly um finance used previous years um but we have had issues with broken cameras so it is possible that we would come back and say we'd like to expand this because our cameras are all working um we'll have to there was really no other way than to use the historical data but um that would be something we would have to come back to council um just a couple of other I think the term is on the second page so this is a five year initial term with an option for five additional one year we come back for those extensions um the sound is just a one year because it is a pilot um and a note that we are putting performance standards in this contract our previous contracts didn't have those these will provide for penalties uh mega deSanto from the solicitor's office who worked with me on the um legacy contract has helped us pull the the you know challenges that we had and incorporate them here so if we have to be much better suited to deal with those although we don't expect to have problems um so Elizabeth do you want to comment on anything or the process before we really talk yeah absolutely so my biggest thing is always been the transparency and the fork and that software that we use this company is also going to integrate it to that software so that's not gonna be a non-issue for the Fort Transparency initiatives.

The evidence packages are going to be a lot stronger whereas right now um they're not what the judge in the judiciary would like to see so when we received um examples of what we should be getting it was night and day so very very excited um just for the transparency in the court and people to be able to see exactly what's going on um and know what to expect um the other thing that we were interested in is the back office there's a lot more data that's associated with this it's not just here's a picture and a video of you running this light it's here's how fast you were going here's the direction you are going with the street that you are going and here's a little bit more video with it.

So there's a lot more to it um that I feel will leave a better taste in constituents now where it's not something that's open dagger it's very very transparent so I cannot stress that enough this is huge for us.

You you just refer to it a little bit is that going to be in place from day one or does that integration have to get programmed and done so that would be part of the implementation process we're actually dealing with that right now for the parking side and it's going swimmingly there.

And so we've got um kind of like a cookie cutter as to what to expect and how to pull that data and how that um is going to that process will be in place before we kind of get there.

So we won't have to worry about it.

Those are the cool question um so are the notices uh the uh speeding the residents uh get uh are those going to change um that's the they'll actually get more um so whereas right now you just get the initial invoice of hey uh you ran this light here's your notice in the ticket violation now you're gonna get a second notice and we've got all of these templates actually lined up and uh the ability to put them in other languages as well and the payment website to also be in other languages so it's again expanding that access expanding that transparency and giving people more of a chance instead of here you get this one notice and then we're putting you in collections and going from there.

This is going to be a lot more user friendly.

So we just like give the um committee an overview of the company and a little bit about yourself.

I have to say that when we did interviews like uh the team was very impressed with Wayne and um is really looking forward to working with them.

So I wanted you all to meet with them and maybe some of the other cities you're working in.

Okay no absolutely yes and you're still there at least for the next five years.

I implemented I've worked on contracts.

I've done sales, I've done every aspect really there is for photo enforcement.

It makes me sound a lot older than I feel I am.

Don't worry about that either.

So with that being said, uh I've I Providence was kind of like a home away from home.

I helped implement the project when it first started when it was running very smoothly on my head.

I was a part of that.

And I'm um, so I spent a lot of time here.

I was flying up here constantly spending a lot of time working, getting to know everyone who's associated with the program.

And that's what I can that's the plan, and that's what I'll continue to do.

I'll still be the program manager over and have oversight over the program, and I'll make sure that everything runs smoothly.

And because of my background, I'll understand you know what needs to be done and where are the hiccups and where are some of the you know maybe hurdles that we need to get over to make sure that everything runs smoothly.

Um Vera Mobility, on the other hand, is the company that I obviously work for.

They've been doing this for about 30 plus years.

They're um publicly traded.

They are when it comes to speed enforcement and rent light enforcement.

We had the most cameras deployed in the country.

Um we work is our contract.

I run the Baltimore City program that has so New York's over 3,000 cameras now, right around three thousand cameras.

Um Baltimore City, which I ran, I took that from 40 cameras to now it's over 160 cameras.

Plus, I designed the interstate speed program that they have up there, which is a fixed speed program that captures violations at a 95% clip.

Um, I also oversee and run the Chicago program, which is another large program, obviously, and then there's Pittsburgh reasonable one Philly, which I um touch.

Um we have California just opened up, they have a lot of programs.

So any program that's really if it's the city, you know, the capital or the key city within a state, we typically run that program for speed.

Um we do a lot of red light, obviously, and then we look forward to the opportunity to do don't block the box and to which we also have calls in, and then there's the noise abatement.

So when we in totality, I feel like I'm the right person for a job I've worked with everyone, or most people I've even been getting calls and reaching back out to people to get you know reacquainted with Providence because I remember I can't remember which one of you made fun of me because they're like you have like you live here.

I'm like, well, I feel like I do this and so on.

So where do you live?

A live in mirror.

Yeah, so it's a quick plane nine.

I actually jumped on a plane at five, six o'clock this morning, left my house at three to be here to make sure I was here.

It's you I'll be popping in.

You'll probably see me around.

Some people are like, get that guy out of here, he's always here, you know.

But we have a lot of fun.

Whenever there's a problem, you can put me in a headlock.

I'm the one to come for it, but at the same time, I'll play on slapping a lot of high fives when we have success on the program.

Awesome.

Uh any questions?

Can we folks?

Uh Cosler Peterson is just developing some questions.

Yeah, um, just researching um the contract in other cities or towns.

Um can you tell me how we came up?

Um, or actually, can you tell me roughly how much um percentage of the ticket revenue is gonna be brought back to bonus?

Um what is the total ticket for red light?

Henry, now you know it's not saying I was like, oh, yeah, that was an error.

I think you have me too.

It's great.

They're all yeah, the tickets are 50 dollars.

Uh okay, and we're paying seven dollars per ticket.

Um only seven dollars is gonna go to the vendor per ticket.

And we there's also a per camera fee uh 2500.

Um per camera or yeah, I I'm trying to figure out how we came up with the 19 million dollars that I what I was trying to do was kind of break out the numbers.

Um it looks like it's like four and a half million over five years for one camera or group of cameras, and then there's another three million for another one.

And so I'm just trying to give up numbers and I'm gonna go.

Sarah can walk in that thank you.

Taking a very long vacation right now.

Um, but we use the average number of tickets per year that we had seen under the prior vendor um at a seven dollar for tickets price, um, 2500 per month.

Um, at 33 red light cameras and 20 speed cameras, um, and annualize that.

So for the red light um expense, we estimate 1,326,000 and for speed, 2,430,000 per year.

What can you tell how many tickets that is?

Uh yes, so red light is about 48,000 per year, and speed is about 72,000 per year.

Thank you.

Are you also interested?

I apologize.

Are we keeping the same number of speed and red light cameras that we currently have?

Or are we increasing that?

Right now we're planning to keep it about the same, although right now all of our cameras don't work.

So we actually will see an increase once we have new cameras.

But the same number of planned locations.

Can you tell us how many uh speed will get it there and how many we red light generals we create?

It's well that are they were all working.

Um about 30 20.

30 red light 20 speed.

And the speed are off for the summer right now.

Yeah, for the kids.

So and speed can only go in school radiuses.

I mean, the part of the challenge here is if we're doing a good job and we're changing people's behavior, the camera become like you don't need a camera, and then you need to move it somewhere else that you have a problem.

But this is the kind of thing where you kind of hope that you put yourself out of business because people are following the law.

So it's a you know, it's a little bit of a um it's it's it requires a partnership with the vendor to help us balance that.

And um, we haven't historically been very successful in moving cameras.

Um, and so that will be something else we'll be looking at over time is when a camera does its job and we don't need any more finding alternative locations, but we do need it.

That will be a more well developed program for us.

And we do have a lot more data with this vendor as well.

Um, as sounding now when you request data for me.

Sometimes it takes a few days.

Um they have a full dashboard where I don't even have to ask them if I don't want to.

I can configure it myself and call the data, or I can reach out to me.

Um there's options.

It's not again, cloak and dagger.

Everything is transparent, everything is right there.

So if you ask me how many tickets we're giving on the outer, I can say, oh, we had you know 1600 uh for the last two months, and that data is gonna be there and it's um it's mapped very well.

Are you also thanks?

Oh, could you have a little question?

Yeah, uh just a quick question with regards to system errors.

Um is there a way to mitigate some of that?

I noticed.

I I did a quick overview of care company before coming here, and um just the basic what I'm trying to do, or what I'm sure we're all trying to do is make sure that we don't have a lot of the same issues that we had before and offer an opportunity for um those that are getting tickets to be able to, if there's an incorrect situation happening, um, it seems like there was a little bit of that issue, or I'm sure nothing is perfect, but is there a way to mitigate a plan or is there a mitigation plan in place if there's a mistake system errors?

How does that work with you?

So that's twofold.

So the way our camera systems work is when they start a deployment, there's an internal test that's done to ensure that all the all components are operating properly.

If something's not operating properly, the camera will not turn on, and then there's a ticket that it sends an alert, which automatically creates a ticket that goes to the technician, which who will be local and be here working on the ground 24-7.

And so that individual would receive a ticket and then that would alert them to get out there and fix the system.

What what um Elizabeth was referring to is we are now she'll now have she'll be able to go into the system and say, hey, why is that camera down?

Why what's going on here?

And we should already be alerting her to that before she sees it, but now she'll have that greater visibility to be able to say, okay, this is what's transpiring.

In addition to that, um Courtney has now held our feet to the fire saying, hey, these are the SLAs.

If you do not meet these regarding uptime or whatever it may be, there is a financial impact to our company.

So we'll be held accountable that way as well.

But when it's all said and done, it's our it's our obligation to make sure that the camera systems are up that they're firing, even for the moves.

We have projects all across the country where we are moving cameras literally weekly or monthly.

So for us to be able to move a camera here, that will not present any problems or issues at all.

We'll have technicians on the ground who will do site surveys, they'll go out there, they'll make sure the location that's been identified is a location where we could truly enforce, but we'll also be your partner in it.

We're not going to say, okay, we can enforce it, put the camera out there, we'll collect our revenue, and you're out of luck because there's cars that park in front of that camera, or there's low visibility.

We'll make sure we're putting a right solution out there to make sure that you get in the results that are intended and results that are going result and changing program behavior.

Wait, will you talk about the quality insurance process for the issuance from like the capture to the actual issuance too?

Because I think that's a little bit of what the comments are.

Okay, yeah, absolutely.

Because yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of companies that are looking towards AI, obviously.

But the way we operate is we think the best way is for humans, individuals to review the violation.

So the violation is captured at the roadside, it's ingested into our back end system.

When that transpires, we have an individual that goes in, they pull the plate, they pull all the information, but at the same time, they're looking based on business rules that we set with the city of Providence, saying this is what constitutes a violation.

If it doesn't meet these uh this criteria and gets rejected, then right if it doesn't meet that criteria, be rejected.

If it does, then we take that um violation and we send it out to NLEC or DMV lookup.

So then when we get to register on our information back, there's a comparative analysis that again takes place with an individual sitting there in front of our computer saying, okay, if DMB returned green Jeep, do we have a green Jeep in the images?

And all those, and right, so it's looking for all the components.

Once that transpires, then we send it within our back end system to the police officers who are doing the review, and they have the ability to look at the violation.

The other aspect of it that is important, all through these processes, we have when you decline or reject an event, there's a drop down that occur that appears, right?

So it might say dark images, and that's classified as a controllable reject, meaning we have control over that, so it shouldn't be transpiring.

Is our flash not working properly?

Is there something that's inhibiting our ability to capture that violation?

So those reports will be available where it shows exactly why every single event was rejected.

But based on what I was saying, so the police officers will review the event and they can either reject it for whatever the criteria might be, or they approve it.

If they do approve it, then it comes back to us where we we um complete the print and mail a violation.

And then once that transpires, obviously we mail it out.

As um Elizabeth referred to, referred to.

We're also going to have that second notice that gets mailed at a um later date as well to give the um citizens another opportunity to make payment before we escalate, and then you know, then it becomes something that's associated with the courts.

Thank you.

Uh yeah, well, so we have questions.

Um this is really interesting.

Um, did you know a little bit about um information security and data privacy?

Yes, absolutely.

So that's twofold.

So I'll start with the how what transpires at the road.

So uh there's there's ALPR cameras that have, and those are licensed plate recognition cameras that have been out there, and they've kind of given our camera systems and camera systems in the industry a bad rap because they are capturing every single vehicle that goes by the system and they're capturing their plate and personal information, and then who knows what they're doing with that.

That's that's separate from us.

Our camera systems, we have we are monitoring the roadway.

The only time we capture the plate and the information associated with that um vehicle is when a violation transpires.

When that occurs, we are capturing it into our back end.

We have username and password protected entry points into our back end, and then we also obviously have a server that houses all that information.

All the data that is captured on this project is the city of Providence's data, and it does not go anywhere else.

It's solely used for this project.

In addition to that, I referenced the business rules earlier, which are kind of the bylaws of how we're going to operate the program.

With within those bylaws, there are legal or um, there's legal requirements as far as the purging of data.

So we will have in there, you know, 90 days to purge if the violation has been paid or if it's if the violation did not transpire, you know, whatever that time frame may be.

We'll make sure it lines up with legislation and we'll make sure our back end lines up with what we have in the data and um and in the business rules.

We build all of our back ends um based on those business rules, and we'll learn, right?

We will not be able to finalize or really get moving on the back end until those business rules are completed, but it's not something where we're saying this is how we do it in Arizona or this is how we do it in Virginia, so we're gonna do it here.

It's gonna be customized based on the legislative requirements of your project.

And they're um what's called sieges certified, which is like the criminal justice IT security standard that is like the highest IT security standard that you can achieve.

Um, and so that in our contract is the requirement that they will maintain siege's certification and provide evidence of that to the city at any time that we ask.

So that's like more of a defensive posture.

Thank you.

Thank you all.

Yeah, those are a little live pending questions regarding uh who owns the data.

Um, do you guys uh maintain ownership of the cameras uh drawless contract?

Yes, we do.

We're we're essentially leasing the camera systems to you.

Um that there have been projects where the jurisdiction purchase the camera systems, but that's that's not advantageous to you because as we know the technology is evolving and changing the right line.

So also give you the opportunity or give us opportunity to upgrade camera systems and make sure that you have the latest technology on the roadway.

Also, with that, obviously we know how our camera systems work better than anyone.

So we'll be the ones that are maintaining the camera systems out on the great way if something rates and something goes wrong, we'll be the ones to take care of it.

Even if you know, I heard there's a little snow here in province, you know, and those snowstorms transpire, we'll be the ones to make sure we clear the snow out of the way and make sure that the cameras function to capture the violations on the roadway.

Awesome.

Thank you.

Um just the last clarifying question that I have uh you touched on it a second, but just to clarify, do you does your company use any AI technology um these systems?

We have we have AI technology that helped that helps in as far as the camera system identifying vehicles, right?

It's what we call machine learning because it the camera's getting smarter over time.

Oh, that that's a bust because of how long it is within the um within the um view of the camera system, those types of things.

But as far as AI on the back end, we're used we're leveraging human beings to do the reviews and make sure that the can't that the violations are being caught or accurate violations and going out to citizens that are deserving of those violations.

Awesome.

Thank you.

Uh I'm also committee.

Have any other questions?

So just to confirm item one is for the uh noise payment, and then item two is the rest of the contract.

Correct.

Awesome.

So at this time I'll say a motion to approve items one and two.

Make a motion and approve items one and two.

More joining by Vice Chair Taylor, second by counselor, all those in favor, aye, any abstentions, any expenses.

The ayes have it.

Thank you so much, Wayne.

Obviously, more of the operation.

I don't want to um at this time I will uh ask uh Madam Clerk to uh three into the record.

Resolution authorizing approval of the following contract award by the Board of Contracts and Supplies in accordance with section 21 through 261 of the quota board and it says full design group LLC, 1,571,104, department in planning and development.

Awesome.

Thank you.

So let's say we have um Chris, Chris, yes, uh leaking resension on item three.

Go ahead, sir.

Yeah, so um just to give you a quick background on the project.

So this is a project that advances improvements along North Main Street where existing conditions present ongoing safety concerns, accessibility challenges, and gaps in multimodal infrastructure.

As investment and redevelopment continue along the corridor, the city is working to create a safer, more accessible, and better connected public street that supports economic activity and neighborhood vitality.

So for the current scope that uh we are under contract, we're negotiating a contract with the tool for um, it will be to bring uh begin to the design for of targeted improvements to safety and roadway uh pavement conditions.

Uh as funding allows, we'll also we may also incorporate community desires to articulate it in previous planning efforts, uh such as pedestrian pedestrian bicycle, bicycle and transit and roadway uh safety improvements along the corridor.

The engineering and design phase includes review of ADA accessibility, public engagement, and identification of phase that implementation.

So we'll have any questions for our author sensors, so some spring all this work.

Yeah, um perhaps I should have grasped it.

That's one of the flights better understand what it's this road engineering going to be taking in sort of the recommendations and finding from the North Main Street.

Um study.

Yeah, so this this builds off of that.

This will build off of that.

Um this is going to be funded by this design phase will be funded strictly by step US uh right out step funds.

Um and we will be using those funds to implement uh pieces here and there.

So the design piece of that funding is about 1.5 million dollars.

So we won't be able to do everything that was within that plan, but we're gonna we're gonna start taking pieces of that uh and do you know the community engagement will uh figure out what what is needed desired and works best uh along the board order.

Of course, of course.

So I yeah, I know that your use of sort of we may incorporate some of these other elements.

So I assume that is finance.

Yeah, it's all this all depends on the funding of available fund.

Okay, and um, you know, obviously we can't predict their future, but I would like I I would like to think that the city will continue to pursue budget.

Okay, and um, you know, obviously we can't predict their future, but I would like I I would like to think that the city will continue to pursue, but absolutely continuing to make those safety for particular I mean related to all aspects, but we only know that it's uh challenging place to be up that sample.

So that'll be important.

Yep.

Yeah, last thing I'll say.

Um, I know counselor or uh A was very supportive of this um uh contract.

Um so that's we started.

Um if we saw and remember our planning department uh for the hard work that they've put into this very challenging structure thing.

Yeah.

Yeah, and big thanks to the council member and what are the other supporting this chair.

Um any other questions of now, I will understand a motion to approve item three.

Motion made by Lexia Taylor, secondary by counselor Davidson, all those in favor, aye, and nays and abstention, the discussion, but I would think this.

Thank you.

Uh can you read item four to the record?

Resolution evading real intangible property taxes or AF2.

So um we have uh approved uh resolution uh around this topic uh before a couple months ago.

Um in finance.

Um the issue is uh the the resolution that we did was to support our state bill.

Uh the issue is that the state Senate bill uh was different from the House uh state bill.

So they went with um, and I think we mixing these two up.

The the reality is that the two state bills didn't add up in language.

Uh so uh when they passed uh the final bill, it didn't uh include uh real break that real active, retroactive, retroactive uh abatements uh for uh 2026, even though that was the intention going forward.

Um finance uh confirmed that they uh plan uh for the retroactivement payments uh to or abandon to happen uh in this uh current fiscal budget.

So we're kind of correcting uh mistake house um pretty self-explanatory.

We've had these types of resolution before us.

Um I think there definitely should be a bigger conversation uh around this.

Um I'm gonna plan to work with the policy team to bring some people back uh in September uh to address uh these challenges going forward.

But at this time, this is what we have before us, and I will undertain a motion or if there's questions, comments, uh contribution.

I'm just reviewing the resolution ahead to hear that.

Um is it does it look like there's gate law attached to it?

Uh Aaron Donna series motions because to be honest, I have able to um not fully um so this is a matter that we have asked it.

I'm just I mean, looking at it again on board is that something that I don't remember to be honest, but yeah, getting listed.

Absolutely.

When you're looking at the resolution with the properties that are listed, um, which you see there, you do see um gate law and you see, I believe DX and some other um you know abbreviations, and yes, that does mean that the properties um that are listed are classified under eight law at this time.

Um but what this would do is that this resolution, the language that's in there matches with what was in the state legislation.

Um, and the way you know the taxes would be assessed, you know, moving forward.

Um that would be up to the tax assessor how they apply it to a property that is already proceeding eight law, or if it's property that is a commercial space um attached to it, that's something that would be you know sorted through with the administration and how we apply the tax bill.

Um last question.

Um I know that in our last council meeting we received a report that verified that there was something a committee that had convened with regards to taxation of nonprofits.

Um I apologize I have not read the report.

Would you be able to maybe a little bit of a summary of the of the recommendations?

Yeah, uh I think ultimately very I was not on the um you know the task force hardware.

I didn't read the report, and I think the report outlined the situation, saying, you know, basically showing that we don't have an internal process um you know for these items and how to um deal with organizations on a case by case basis.

Um they basically outlined the problem, however, um the report asked the council to move forward and actually implement certain standards, and um, that's what you know the council was just mentioning.

You know, when we do come back, we do hope um to have something potentially an ordinance form um with collaboration with the you know administration to have something that's like palatable like moving forward because this term has been very very tough, and it's just uh shows like how some of these work organizations in the city have been having a tough time on the financial climate.

Thank you.

Absolutely.

Yeah, I mean it's definitely something that's not gonna go away, so we're definitely prioritize uh this uh ordinance in the very near future uh for the sake of um uh uh province.

Um, but if there's no further questions on item four, I will take a motion to approve it.

Second uh counselor uh Peterson, all of those in favor, aye.

Any nays?

I want to say nay for now because questions that I don't know that I feel I'm not ready to answer.

Say nay for now.

Um so uh any uh uh discussion, any abstentions?

Uh eyes have it.

Uh item four is approved.

Um at this time, I'll entertain a motion to uh journal.

Some of the motion made by counselor president, sign by my share too.

All those in favor, aye, any nays, any abstentions, aye sign with me, Mr.

Journal.

Thank you so much, everyone.