Good evening.

This evening to the Richmond Planning Zone Commissioner meeting on this Wednesday, November nineteenth.

Clerk recall the road, please.

Sure.

Commissioner De Grant.

Here.

Commissioner De Grant, can you flip your name tag forward for me?

Thank you.

Commissioner Short.

Second.

Okay, Commissioner De Grant.

Yes.

Commissioner Francis.

Yes.

Commissioner Short.

Yes.

Yes.

Commissioner Perkins.

Yes.

Commissioner Miles.

Yes.

Yes.

Next on the agenda is a request for zone map amendment for property located at 1212 West Main Street.

Proposed zone change from P1 to B3.

And this is a public hearing, so if anyone has anything to say for it against it, you would get a chance to do that.

Thank you.

Good afternoon.

Thank you for having us tonight.

This afternoon.

This is 1212 West Main Street.

They've already got it put up on the uh on the map.

It's always called the formal chat former Chapel Communications Building.

It's right next to Arlington.

Currently P1.

Uh Rusty houses, his office and part of it now, you know, part of it he plans on retail it would be like an antique store.

Is what his proposed use of it would be.

We think it's consistent with the other B3 uses that are very close to it.

I think there's been another antique store at one of the houses right across from Arlington for a number of years.

So we think it's appropriate.

We have submitted findings that say as much that we would ask you to approve that zone change.

Is it currently running on a conditional use since it's running businesses at this time in it?

It is.

Okay.

The sliver of land that uh runs into Lecher.

Uh whenever Lee Murphy owned the building before I purchased it, he had a he does have a tower there that came with the property, and I never had to review, but why that sliver is there?

I couldn't tell you, but it is closed off.

Okay, so yeah, I just want to make sure you can't, it's not a large enough sliver to put apartment buildings or it's just a little tiny, isn't it?

Okay, I just want to make sure that it didn't interfere with the house's that section is only 20 feet wide.

Is it oh I can't read these things they're so small?

Okay.

Very skinny.

Oh, okay.

Good deal then.

Thank you.

Does anyone have any more questions?

I get a motion on it, please.

Um, Mr.

Sell.

Public comment.

Well, I'm sorry.

Public comments.

Anyone have anything for it or against it?

Okay.

Um I get a motion on that, please.

I'll make a motion that we we request uh we accept the request for the zone map amendment for property located at 1212 West Main Street, post change from P1.

I second it.

Okay, Commissioner De Grant?

Yes, Commissioner Francis.

Yes, Commissioner Short, yes, Commissioner Miller, yes, Commissioner Perkins, yes, Commissioner Miles, yes, Commissioner Stell, yes.

Thanks so much.

Thank you.

Next on the agenda is the request for zone map amendment for property located at 1180 Rear Road proposed zone change from B3 to I2.

And this also is a public hearing.

Okay, yes.

Good evening.

Thank you for having me here.

My name is Governor Lemer.

I am uh representing the uh uh petitioner in this zone change request, which is Paul X manufacturing, which is located on the subject property 1180 Berea Road.

I am also with a company uh called Square World Technologies.

Um we are uh entering into a partnership with Paul X with the panelists for meeting the zone changes.

I'll tell you a little bit about the two companies and what why that is here in a second, so you understand what's going on there.

Um the the map is pulled up here, and this is uh the the property the building in white is the uh existing Wall X building.

Qualix is a uh contract manufacturing company that's been here for about 15 years, employ about 170 people.

Um the two properties that we're asking for the zone amendment are the two lots between Berea Road and the White Building there, yes, uh as the pointer shown out there.

Uh those two lots are currently B3.

The property where the uh existing Qualex building is is I2.

What we're requesting is to change the two B3 lots to I2, so it's consistent with the Qual X property.

Qual Alex owns all three properties, by the way, and um so the the zone changes in compliance or consistent with the Richmond uh comprehensive plan.

And so the zone changes in compliance or consistent with the Richmond uh comprehensive plan.

It's consistent with the neighboring properties, and in fact we could do what we want to do.

We want to expand the existing building.

We could do that on the B3, but we want to attach it to the existing building, so we got to get rid of property lines.

So that's why we need a requesting the zone change.

Um X is a contract manufacturing company.

My company Square One is the developers of a proprietary water treatment technology that works very well in taking the contaminated water and turn it into drinking water.

And so recently we have partnered with a UN United Nations affiliated organization, uh which will take our technology into third world countries where drinking water or access to drinking water is a real problem.

I think most people know that, but they probably don't realize how severe it is unless you go to these countries, primarily in Africa and some countries in Central America and South America, just to give you a little bit of understanding.

According to the United Nations, 1.8 billion people on our planet do not have access to safe clean drinking water, and that causes a lot of deaths and illness, and it's primarily in third world countries.

So our mission is our company is to utilize our technology, which works on a very cost-effective way with no chemicals, no reverse osmosis, it's a lot less expensive to use and does actually a better job in trade healthcare water than the water we drink right here, uh chemically treated water.

Uh it doesn't kill us, but it's not good for it.

And so that's what our company does.

Um we partnered with uh this organization called the uh UNSADG.

It's a affiliated uh organization with the United Nations to try to get projects funded for sustainable development goals.

That's an agenda of the United Nations.

Some of you may be familiar with that, some major agenda of the United Nations, and clean water is one of the major uh sustainable development goals.

So we've been selected as the primary contractor for water projects.

We we anticipate a lot of growth from this.

A lot of our systems would be deployed in third world countries, and we've partnered with Qualex to actually be the manufacturing concern for our company.

Our company is a our product or our systems, a very high-tech piece of equipment, and we really are a technology company.

We use our technology to clean the water, and Qualex will be buildings for us.

So it our partnership is requiring us.

We're currently located in Nicholasville, and uh, so we want to we want to uh expand the current building to accommodate this manufacturer that we anticipate.

We're gonna move our headquarters into there.

Currently, uh Qualex, Qualex has been in Richmond for about 15 years, has about 170 employees.

We anticipate uh this will probably increase employment by maybe 30 to 50 people.

We don't know yet, there's still things transacting.

Basically, this zone change, as I said, allows us to uh limit the property lines and allow us to expand the and attach uh an expanded building of what's there now.

The the current building is just so you know, the hundred thousand square feet, and our plans for an expanded building is 50,000 square feet.

Glad to entertain any questions.

Also, if you're interested, uh, because we're very proud of what we do in our mission.

If you're interested in what square one does, since we're hoping to be become a uh a member of the Richmond community, I did bring some information here that I'd love for you to take a look at at some point so you know what we're doing.

Thank you.

Kevin, you got in just maybe add to a well presentation done here.

Um we we've came to this point.

Um a possible development plan exhibit was brought to me and and through the addition of that plant structurally to house the new event about to take place, hopefully, here it causes a problem in the way the property lines are shaped, and so there's no way to get a development plan to fit the criteria asked for on just the I2 standalone property.

So the solution to that is if we have an approval here, then I can move forward with the applicant to do a consolidation plat.

Once it's all I2, the way it would work would be then we can consolidate I2 with I2 and not have contamination of two different zones.

So this would be the first step in their development plan.

It was recommended to ask for a zone change in order to proceed with the development plan.

Okay, any more commissioners got anything?

No, sir.

So with more employees coming in, that road would be more busy.

Trying to get out in yes, if if it's built, yes, there would be an increase of traffic right there, exiting and entering.

I I would comment on that too.

That is true, but as B3 zones and with V3 usage that could be there, uh likely would be much higher traffic generators that could go on there than it will be is what we're done.

Yeah, coming back to pre-call.

Is there anyone here that would like to comment on that forward or against it?

If not, I'll I'd get a motion on it, please.

Okay, I make a motion that we approve the zone map amendment for property located on limited 80 Brea Road, proposed zone change from B3 to I2, and approval of the uh finance of act.

Second Commissioner De Grant?

Yes.

Commissioner Francis.

Yes, Commissioner Shorter?

Yes.

Commissioner Miller, yes, Commissioner Perkins.

Yes.

Commissioner Miles.

No.

Commissioner Scott.

Yes.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, next on the agenda is the request for zone map amendment for Propter located at Track 3 or Spring House Apartments proposed zone change from B3 to R1B and R3.

And this is also a public hearing.

So if anyone uh opportunity to speak for it or against it.

Good evening, Mr.

Chairman.

Yes, sir.

My name is Mike Eves.

I'm an attorney or was an attorney here in Richmond for retirement.

And uh I'm also one of the owners of Springhouse, the Springhouse Entity, Springhouse Development, Spring House Storage, and Spring House Land, uh, LLC.

Um our attorney, Preston Worley, uh, prepared this application and did all the paperwork while I was out of the country.

Now that I'm back, he's left.

So uh that's the reason I'm here, and I I have made one change to the proposed findings that he submitted, and we'll talk about that in just a minute.

Just to give you a little history, in about 19 in about 2015, Springhouse Development purchased uh four about 47 acres on the bypass, consisting of the four acres that's before you tonight, as well as uh about 43 acres uh just to the north uh on that 43 acres that's been developed into uh an apartment uh development uh 15 buildings, swimming pools, clubhouse, so forth right there.

We're in the process of developing uh toward the bypass.

Uh you'll see under construction now a central bank located there on the corner of uh Uckhorn Drive.

Um Burger King next to it, and we have a tenant uh we're negotiating now with for another uh business site.

Uh we're also negotiating for a larger user on that same property.

I tell you that to explain that in 2015 when we were here, we all this property was zoned agricultural.

So we rezoned it.

We came to you and asked you to rezone it.

All the property that fronted on the bypass was uh zoned B3.

At the time, there was a concern about this particular property.

There we go.

You see it right here.

This is about four acres.

All of that property, it's not accessible from our other 40-some acres.

There's a creek that runs right at the north edge of that property here.

Right down the bottom of the hill.

That may be, yeah, that's right.

And so the only access is from Overland Drive or Highland View.

At that time, the conversation was, and I believe, Mr.

Chairman, I believe it was your comment that you you agreed to the B3 designation, but you didn't think commercial traffic over those residential streets was appropriate.

So we agreed at that time that we would not use those streets for access to any businesses that were developed on this property.

We believed at that time, we made that agreement because we were told by our engineers that and a and our contractor that access from the bypass was possible.

It's not possible.

We've learned uh since uh 2015-2016 that for a multitude of reasons uh access from the bypass is simply not an option.

So what we have in essence is a piece of property that can only be it's zoned B3, it can only be used for highway commercial uses, but it can't be used for those purposes because we don't have access except for the over those streets that we've agreed not to utilize.

So I think that's a it seems rather clear on its face that the existing B3 zoning classification simply is not appropriate.

It's not appropriate because you can't get access access to it.

So that being the case, you know, what we've done, as I indicated, we have you currently have 15 uh apartment buildings, 16 unit buildings uh on the property just adjacent to this.

It makes perfect sense to me.

Could we see the other drawing?

Uh you have the other one.

Do I have your clicker?

You ask it.

Have a mouth difficult.

So this is what we've proposed.

Um yeah, bring it back out a little bit, widen it out just a bit better.

There you go.

So this is Highland View.

It dead ends right at the property line.

What we propose, and and this is single family to the south along Highland View, that's single family residential.

So what we propose is take this about 1.3 acres right here and develop it as single family residential.

We think we could put four houses there.

We'll and I'm not I'm not uh I don't want to tell you that it's so, but I suspect we'll end up keeping them and just incorporate it as part of our operation.

We if I can figure out how this works right next to it.

We're uh and I can't use the there we go.

Right here.

We're talking about a track to uh change from B3 to R3.

We're gonna build one single 16-unit apartment building, exactly like the two bedroom buildings we have on our adjoining property.

Everything about it would be exactly the same.

It is far enough the the remainder of the property to the north.

Again, I apologize.

I can't use this.

All this property will remain B3.

To give you some indication, department building will be would be built right about here on this property line.

There is about a 65-foot elevation or change in elevation from here where the apartment buildings would building would be built in the bottom of this hill.

Just to give you an indication, which is obvious if you drive past it.

You can tell it's if you've been out there and you've seen the electronic sign that's uh where is that anner relationship?

You can tell it's you've been out there and you've seen the electronic sign that's uh where is that in a relationship yes, I was gonna ask you that it's on the remainder, the part that's not being rezoned.

Be done that lower part, I know gotcha.

Sorry, I'm not here.

Why don't you take this down?

Um it is right at the it's it it's just beyond the break in the crest of the hill, so it is on the way down the hill.

Right that hill continues down another 40 feet, but it's it's stayed waiting, yeah.

Everything if you look at the uh residential lots, overland drive to the left, bottom left, and then the apartment building, the residential lots will back up to an existing single family residential area where we're talking about building the apartments will back up to a normal it's all the property behind those houses on Overland Drive, their back yards just falls over the same cliff that ours does, and it all runs down to that creek, so all of that area you wanted that for me, Valerie?

Yeah, to your left right there, right there.

All of that is wooded, and it just goes over a hill.

Can't be built on ours can't be built on the way to get to.

So I think with the R1B section that we requested be rezoned and the houses to be built there, and then the fact that the apartment building would be well back of that and and facing that no man's land.

Uh I think it's a good use, it's about the only use of the property.

It's a continuation of what we've done for the last five or six years from the property just to the north of it.

And uh we think that's an appropriate.

How are you gonna run the road to to all this, especially the the single family home?

Right, right down.

We'll just continue right on Highland View.

Yeah, go straight ahead.

Gotcha.

This is that.

So that's for the homes.

The the apartments, how do you how do we get to the apartments?

Same way.

But we'll just go right say your apartments are gonna go through the subdivision.

Apartment traffic through Overland Drive.

Highland.

He's talking about Highland.

Highland view, not overland drive.

We're we're proposing to uh to terminate overland, overland.

Is that right?

Overland drive.

Overland drive.

It is simply too long and windy.

It's a and there's access there, but it you have to go through the whole length of the whole neighborhood get out of to get out of there.

Just don't think that's viable option.

Yeah, can you zoom out?

That way we can see where it's in Highland View comes straight up the hill, and we just we intend to extend it straight back.

Fall in the purple, right?

It's straight up the roof.

Yeah, if I can add to it, uh, just for clarity with the pointer here.

The only access that is being proposed here for this zone change would be up this street, and then Springhouse will then extend the road into a call-de-sac or a turnabout or something for first responders, and the extension of that road would allow access into each of these respective zones and their developments.

So they're going to have road frontage.

Um it would be a preliminary plant that would actually come before this body.

You would see this.

Um it would lay out.

Mike, you since uh about that other part of B3.

You have no intentions to use it or anything?

Not really.

Because the elevation of I I've mowed it, and it is you gotta pay attention, even if you're on a tractor out there mowing it.

Mike, we discussed too over the phone that the digital billboard is seen as business, you know, these days.

So it is our belief that that digital billboard would remain on B3 zoning property.

Where it's permitted.

Correct.

And then that would be the point.

So leave all the time.

Thinking outside the box of anything that I can think of.

It leaves that business entity actually on B3, which is a permitted use.

So technically it works out.

So there's no fear of having something like that happen with the remainder being B3.

Interestingly, there's uh there's sewer sea sewer, water, uh, electric, all those utilities are already in place.

Do I have any more from the come up and give your name, please?

Good evening.

Uh my name is Veronica Holman, and I live on Overland.

I'm the property adjacent to that property.

So I actually own down to the creek, so I do have property there, and although it's wooded, it is my property, and so I would express some concern about having a 16-unit apartment building backed up to my property.

Um I am relieved that you're not gonna open up Overland because that's one thing that I was concerned about.

We do not have sidewalks in that area, and we have lots of children and people that walk in that area without sidewalks.

So I was concerned that that was gonna open up uh bypass from our area, but just wanted to put those concerns here.

Okay, anyone else whenever you do, just come up and just give your name.

I'm Carolyn Heisel.

I lay live at the end of Highland View.

We've been there for 46 years, which was farmland, and I do realize you know they're going to try to develop that.

But again, I am concerned about using their entrance going in to make a street to the property because our front yard is not very big, a lot of traffic coming back through there, but that is my concern was just opening up our street.

I didn't know where the that was my concern to be here tonight is to what's going on and where the entrance was going to be at.

Okay.

Okay.

Thank you.

Anyone else?

Well, come on.

Give your name, please.

I live one at one fifteen island view.

And work Carl out of that, and I don't know, you know, right next to him.

They come in here a year ago, I think a year ago, and they cut out a whole row of trees.

I don't know if not them or them.

But they kept all that out.

They put it up in there, and then they changed their mind.

Oh, they couldn't do it.

And now, I mean she didn't nice enough to have the yard.

Put up that sign and everything else.

So I don't think they out egg up to the yard.

I don't I don't yeah, I don't know where they can get all that, which is just I mean, you know, they ain't come to my yard.

And that's what they've done by I don't think they I don't think turning them down.

And then you come up, and now they come back up on uh put a couple apartments or whatever.

Well I don't know, and I ain't had much room.

Oh, I don't know.

I heard that hey, don't come up there and make a big circle right now.

I don't know that you're not going to make a big circle and then they've been going a couple apartments.

I don't know.

Don't make don't make a lot of time.

They got they got it, they got a road coming off the road of the road.

And at the gate, or they come in that gate.

But it won't come.

They didn't come in that gate.

So I don't know why.

I don't know why they want apartment.

Do you talk about ovalin?

This is what he's talking about.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, that road that road wants that first make it there.

Okay.

Thank you.

Well, I believe that road when you when you're speaking about a gate.

Is it is it the red gate that you come in off of Duncan?

Or I'm sorry, uh the the Robert Martin bypass.

No, on over and the gate.

The gates, the one in line with the fence wrap.

There was one at the old way at some point in time making sure.

Okay.

It's one on all the just make sure there were several gates there.

I just want to bring attention.

I think right in front of where they house is what they formed the tape and come right through the yard to make that black top road come on.

The blacktop, the road can be my property.

Yeah.

I I think I think the way they got it now, they'll come right up the street and go right into it without going through your way this way, they've got the plat set up now.

Yeah, I'll say there ain't no road there.

Well, this street hand right there.

Well, we understand there's a coverage.

Uh there never other parents and another one.

They built them two houses one on each side, and they done that, and then they made the driveway coming up down after house.

I'm guessing 25 more but even after working the black copy of it to give it because they're property.

You know, I mean they let them they let them come through and and put that big sign up.

They come up and they've done everything as a coach through.

And then through a yard just got tore up.

Uh they didn't pick it.

I don't know about somebody else have to come back out to the open out.

I hold one three.

We want to make sure that they don't want to come in there with the road and come through our problem.

Would it help if we if we could brighten that up again, show that you bring that sometime?

Okay.

No, that it rolled it's right down there at the bottom, right?

Where it comes in.

That's where you would go in at right there, right?

At the end of the street.

Mike, I have a question.

And do you know if the deed incorporates that you touch it?

Touch the road.

Well, I just want to make sure it actually touches your property.

Well, that all I've got to go back to the suits.

Okay.

Yeah.

And I mean, I guess if it turns out uh if it turns out that the super good street, then you've got to wait to it.

Yeah, but I I that's not what I our engineers.

That's all I know.

Okay.

It comes out what elder and that comes out very out to the corner of y'all and white.

Oh, yes, or on the other side, yes.

You know, I mean you kind of which I thought you could have.

You know, we haven't done anything but moat it up until now.

I know.

I think nobody can't go in different parts.

Chris, can you enlighten us on this stuff?

That's much information as you can give us on that.

Yeah.

I I can help you out.

Um I've some of you know I've worked as uh with surveying company for a long time, so I've got a lot of experience staring at plaids through my career.

I have seen the plates for this particular street, and it's not there there's not a sliver in between the zones that are respectively being discussed here to uh to change that existing right-of-way is invisible, so to speak, it continues all the way up to the property line for the property in question of the rezoning.

What does not happen in in this case that happens sometimes when you look in older parts of the city is that we see roads that are not continued out to a precise point.

In this case, it it was built to a certain point, and they knew it went nowhere, so there's I don't know why they stopped arbitrarily with the physical road, and it stopped shy of the property line.

So if that is indeed the case, and supported by vision engineering showing this line continues across, and you you may not be able to tell, but these little dash lines indicate the rideway, 50 foot rideway intersecting the property line.

You know, vision engineering would be uh uh a second um if you will, a plus to that situation as that is how it is.

It's just not physically continued that I don't know what it may be, 10, 15 feet, whatever it is.

Uh but the right way is there.

So those two lots on either side of the road, their deeds will reflect their boundary lines, and it coincides with what we have here.

Correct.

Okay.

Okay, thank you.

Is there anything else?

Come back up here.

Yeah.

Very much home again.

I guess I have a question.

I'm kind of new to Richmond, been here about six years, so I wanted to know are there any rules about the density of having apartments and houses and how many you can have on.

He said this is a four-acre property, so are there any rules as to how many houses and apartments you can have on that on that lot?

Yes, yes, there is.

Well, I I can answer this.

Of course, there is density for both the R3 and the R1B.

We will be well under the permitted density on both.

Mr.

Eves.

And again, why don't you scotch we would just one that billboard or track sign is out there we can't get in front of it?

Can't go get built out too far in front of it.

So really just one decent place to put one build.

Do you plan to have any like landscape buffer between your apartment complex and then like existing homeowners?

Could you explain that or can yeah?

Again, if you look at our other development right up the street, you see we put a chain link fence with with the mesh and and so forth, great privacy areas, and we'll have to do that even more so because part of this on the east side, I guess, that's the bypass.

It's probably 20 feet above the elevation by base.

So almost the entirety of the strike will have to be fenced.

And again, that's the point I was trying to make, and maybe it didn't make it very effectively, but where the apartment building would be located would be on the west, parallel to the west property line.

And talk about landscape buffer, but we can put up something all that will you look out the back door, all you'll see is that we wooded area for the room of the hill.

There's nothing like that.

Right.

Okay.

Is there anyone else?

Correct.

Yeah.

What you got some just to answer that question.

Uh for screening, it it's a requirement for development plans.

Uh for screening, it it's a requirement for development plans anytime you adjoin a different zone, uh, such as if in the event we have an R3, it's adjoining an R1 A, B, or C, there has to be uh a subsequent landscape buffer between those two zones, and that would come within the development plan slash preliminary ever how we treat this.

Okay.

Is there anyone else?

Come up, Carly.

How many apartments in the building?

They're all 16.

We've got 15 buildings on our other site, and we're gonna build one identical to one of those 16 units.

They're not town houses, they're all on one floor.

So closer to where the grass acres openly drive going over the hill and even though the parking bit.

If I can use this count just for the point, uh okay.

This is the residential track.

There will a street will come straight back through here.

Two houses on the left, two houses.

The street will extend back a very short distance back here.

And then a building would make that right parallel to this property.

And that's going toward where it goes over the hill.

The the building would be pointed so that it works over the hill in that uh wooded area in the back behind just in that wooded area.

And it's manager distance, but it's well behind the department building well behind your house.

So kind of where we're at, Highland View, we're at the very end.

We're on the like going out of Highland View, we're at the very end on the left.

So along this fence row there, you know, where we lean to how we'll go.

So those are going to be houses.

How many do you think?

And then the parking is gonna be on down.

Okay, yeah, like you're saying, if they come up our street, the wide are they gonna widen our street any more than what it is right now.

We can't we can't widen suit streets.

Well, because that's what I'm saying.

We don't have much from our front door facing our house.

We don't have a lot of space.

And I understand no, we will not change your street.

Uh I have no reason to think of the specific material.

Because I mean, you know you'd be right on the front door.

But I just don't have big front, we got a big backyard, but not a front.

Uh the man is right here in the past.

Looks like that was good.

I mean, now I can get over here.

So that our street is wide enough to take all that traffic in and come into the and that's the only way that they can go into that is through Highland View or Oklahoma.

There's physically no other way to get you know what we're doing.

Yeah, maybe Are we able to drive, yeah.

Just physically possible to get up a highway department won't let us do there from the back.

We would come across the street down there and building a bridge.

That's the property's not where it's so the only way to come through is to come through highlight view.

So if you all happen to come through that road and all this on the side, but we have to go.

You know, you just give us a property nicely and things like that.

But we didn't have a street coming like it's it's it's gonna be a little different.

I understand I I can only promise you if you go look at the development we've already done, it would be a background carrier.

Well, I know Commissioners, I'd like to point out that you know you're you're gonna get the opportunity to look at this in detail because it will be a preliminary plat that must come before this board.

So a lot of these questions that are being asked will be in detail.

Uh with with all sorts of things.

We didn't know what it is.

Yeah, it would be in detail.

We're only here for uh a zone change.

Just kind of not knowing what would be there.

Yeah, but it's very good.

We don't need no patent entirely down.

Well that's you just need to fly.

That's a very common attitude.

You do anything, you don't do that, yeah, that trade.

Sure you don't tank it now.

Okay.

Are you required to kill that?

Okay.

Uh is it anyone else?

Zen Commission has any more questions on anything.

I don't think I have anything to add unless you just there's some aspect of it you don't understand.

No, I see I get a motion on this, please.

I'll make a motion on it.

We accept the request for the zone map amendment for property location.

That track three of Spring House apartments proposed zone change from B3 to R1B and R3.

Second.

Okay, Commissioner De Grant.

Yes.

Commissioner Francis.

Yes.

Commissioner Short.

Yes.

Commissioner Miller.

Yes.

Commissioner Perkins.

Yes.

Commissioner Miles.

Yes.

Commissioner Stell.

Yes.

Thanks so much.

Thank you.

Uh next on the agenda is a request for zone map amendment property located at 219 Mobberly.

Proposed zone change from R1C to B2.

That's the little church.

Yeah.

Okay.

Thank you for having us.

My name is Scott Collins.

I'm representing Johnny King.

He's the pastor of the church in question located, formerly located at 219 Moberley.

Straight out Third Street, intersection there is the Church of God on the purchased church on church building Westley and Chapel on Aspen, right across from tourism.

They've since moved that building now in question at Mobley is empty.

And I am the proposed purchase.

It's been under conditional use for decades prior to its current ownership.

I have no idea when it was I assume it was already R1C and they built the church building there and they've had conditional use ever since.

When we offer to to uh purchase the building, my proposed use would be to move mini suites in there.

If you're familiar with the idea that often they're branded as salon suites, so we would take the building inside of the sanctuary and completely remodel that into small, you don't want to think offices, but let's just say it's the same sort of concept where you would have beauticians, barbers, hair stylists, makeup artists.

Usually young people cannot afford to uh go out and use a full standalone property, so they're just looking for co-opted kind of space that they could use this for.

So that is my my proposed use if if the zoning change goes, then I would purchase it and place salon suites in here for young women trying to be entrepreneurs to be able to get out and get started.

Um find in the findings of fact what the church moved from the property because there is not adequate prop uh parking for their membership.

It was continuing to grow, which is a blessing to them.

Lots of parking at the new spot, but there just isn't parking here.

So how do you take a church building where you don't have parking for the parishioners and move it to some other use?

It clearly isn't residential.

It there's no way to put a house inside of a church building.

So it has to have some sort of business use.

And is and I I look at that as a purchaser.

I can't operate under a conditional use where I don't have the right to signage and things like that.

But how do you get a low volume, low traffic where we have about 12 spots there in the parking lot?

That's about what it would hold.

So typically in this proposed use, um these types of businesses don't run like a typical brick and mortar eight to five.

They they are more by appointment only.

You're not going to have all of them full at the same time.

A few of the beauticians will be here, go home for the day, a few more would come in.

So you you probably are not going to see max capacity, even of 10 or 12 people at any one time using the building.

What are you going to do with a lot?

There's a large lot beside it.

Dr.

Miller doesn't go with that property.

Those two open lots go with the residents next door to that.

That all belongs to Jane Pat.

I'm a little concerned because it's R1C most around there.

That's what I'm a little concerned about.

And to move a B3 in there, it's going to cause a lot of traffic.

Not B3, sir.

B2.

B2 in there is going to cause a lot of traffic.

I just want a neighborhood type business.

That's what I'm considering.

From my perspective, all of those properties, all the way down 3rd Street, same thing happens on 2nd Street.

There are many, many businesses that are scattered across all of the blocks, four direct four streets, sorry, four blocks in either direction.

So there's already a lot of those neighborhood type businesses.

If you look at the plat, uh sorry, the map here, in the top right corner, where we're on 2nd Street and Broadway, that also is R1.

But an HVAC company runs out of that one.

If you're down one from there, still on 2nd Street, we have multi-family housing, should be R3, but it's it's in an R1.

Yeah.

If you go on Broadway to the far corner, you also have Broadway Baptist.

Again, as a commercial or public use, I should say.

Yeah.

But they're operating conditional use R1C.

So there's there's all these conditional uses, but it's great.

They're getting a uh they're getting the need they have met currently.

But when you sell it, now you have a problem.

Unless a church moves into what do you do with this commercial building in a residential zone?

So it's true.

I don't know on Second Street, but on Third Street, it is all R1C all the way down.

Until you go further down.

But but if you go up mobile, yeah, you do have a gas station here and everything, but but on that one area, I'd say onto third street, you do not.

Well, you're one block up and you run into what had been the stockyards, the tobacco barns, then you've got the lumber yard.

If you headed back this way, you're correct again.

It's about two blocks before you hit the surveyor, the landscaper, straight from Texas Barbecue.

So you have businesses going toward property.

There is a gap there where it's mostly on C.

But then you hit this block when it's all patchwork.

Has anything else to say about this?

Come on, give your name, please.

I live at 367 North Third Street on Jeffrey Ward Dill, and that's right across from the church building.

Um does the church building include the house that's with it, or right beside it?

So it's just the White House is a separate.

Couldn't couldn't tell from that.

Okay.

Um I think you know, a small independent thing like that helping young folks with business.

I think that's a great idea.

Um, there are a lot of hair salons in town with a lot of empty space, but you know, I'm not gonna write about that either.

Um, I as long as there's not something with big lights or another gas station or something like that, that would be high traffic.

I don't necessarily have a problem with that.

Um it doesn't look like there's gonna be another congregation moving in there, and parking is a problem for that because you know, we had folks parked along the street on Sundays and Wednesdays, and that was fine.

You know, it's two days a week, it's not a big deal.

But um, I don't think I would have any particular problem with it, and once again, if it's gonna help younger people get themselves established, get themselves some work, I think that's a fine idea.

Okay, thank you.

Is there anyone else?

I'd like to say something on behalf of myself as a neighboring resident in this in this fund, yeah.

One of the problems we have there, and Dr.

Miller, you're speaking of those two properties in Miss Patton's property right next to it.

Um there have been homeless.

Uh I've been in contact with the police department.

I've had two people arrested.

We cannot keep this neighborhood clean.

Um, those are abandoned properties.

We can't find this map.

Um they're making some progress on the property continuing down or mudding the uh the marathon station there, but they tend to cut through these properties, and until I can get the complete rehabilitation of my property there done, and try to create traffic in the neighborhood.

You have to have eyes on the property to keep these people from just shacking up and making shanties and everything.

So as a property owner, I have been searching for ways to do something in that neighborhood to make more traffic so that it's not where you can hide.

And uh, somebody broke in my property this weekend.

Um, and so I had to change locks again, bar the doors.

It's a problem because we have some remote neighborhoods behind us that's cutting through.

So I I want to see something changing there possible to stop that problem.

So that's all I've got to say about it.

Again, is there anyone else?

Is there any commissioners?

Well, unless you change it to a B2, it's a B2.

And if you're not around and something changes later on, they can move a business in there.

I was new owners.

But that is a problem.

That's gonna be a problem.

And it's kind of to me like spot zoning.

That bothers me a lot because a lot of that and there's R1C, and you're moving it right next to two R1Cs.

And I I just have a problem with that.

I agree with you that it ought to be something there, but I'm just not sure that doing that is the best idea.

Uh make the motion that we accept the uh approve the zone change from uh what is it from R1C to B2?

I'll second it.

Commissioner De Grant?

Yes, Commissioner Francis.

No, Commissioner Short.

Yes, Commissioner Miller.

No, Commissioner Perkins.

Yes, Commissioner Miles.

Yes, Commissioner Stell.

Yes, thanks so much.

Thank you.

Next on the agenda is the request for zone map amendment of property located at 495.

Duncounty lane proposed zone change from AG to I2.

Good evening, Mr.

Chairman, board members.

Uh my name's Rob Meinerch.

I'm here on behalf of the city and the Richmond Industrial Development Corporation tonight.

Uh we are asking to rezone 495 Duncan Lane.

Tyler, if you could pull that up.

Sure.

The city recently purchased this property.

It's approximately 190 acres.

We were able to purchase this property with a grant from the uh state uh uh PDI program, which is a product development initiative program.

Uh they gave us two million dollars, and we match that with 2,744,000 for a total purchase price of $4,744,000.

This property fronts Duncan and backs up to our industrial park three on the back side.

Um, as you know, Duncan over the past 30 years has been developed.

Uh it's taken three decades to get the four-lane road and all the utilities into this corridor.

This rezone we're asking for is going from AG to I2.

It's consistent with our comprehensive plan and the mission of the city and Richmond Industrial Development Corporation to expand our industrial park.

Um we currently have two build-ready sites in Industrial Park 3 that are getting strong looks from industry.

And this would we would come back to the board with a concept for this property.

It could be anything from six to ten sites, depending on what the needs are.

I will tell you there is a need for a fire station along this corridor.

And we probably will also store salt out there so we don't have to go all the way across town during winter events.

David Stipes, our director of Richmond Industrial Development Corporation is here.

Working with the state transportation cabinet right now on an entrance, and also the adjacent property owner to the west, about an additional entrance to the property.

This would give us a second entrance to our industrial park, which is very much needed.

When you talk about industrial development, if there's a corridor in our city limits for development, it's right here.

And the reason being the state and the city has invested hundreds of millions of dollars loan this corridor in roads, uh water, sewer, electric, all the utilities are ready to go.

All the due diligence has been done on this property.

There is a artifact mound on the property that we're going to work around, probably do a masonry wall around it.

We also have plans for a 10 foot wide walking path through the industrial development as well.

Um we're asking for I2 because that's the highest zoning we can get, and we're probably back into the front part of the property being business offices, professional business offices that actually face Duncan.

So it's an exciting time for the city of Richmond and growth, and like I said, this fits our comprehensive plan for growth.

We did have a letter for one individual out there that owns property and we have a house there, and they were concerned about it, as you know.

You probably read the letter.

Yeah.

Um I did not know whether you were going to increase industrial out there, or you're going to increase housing.

It looks like the city's gone for the industrial, which I could understand because you've invested a lot of money there.

But I am concerned with the people around there that have houses.

I think it's important.

What can I tell them?

Yeah, I think it's important to point out in this day and age when you think of industrial development and manufacturing, it's not the old school smokestac.

What you're thinking about is uh highly uh technical robotics manufacturing, and it's cleaned.

I I call it clean manufacturing because you don't have a smokestacks, it's just that they just don't work that way anymore.

Um, so I realize the concern, but at the same time, if you go just down the road where our entrance is to Industrial Park 2 and the way it wraps around probably the houses in question, there's probably six to eight manufacturers already out there.

Uh three of them being a Sahey Forge who manufactures auto parts for uh Toyota.

So I mean it's it's already there.

So if there was a complaint, you would you would hear about it already.

Hi, I'm Jean Marie Hibbard, and I live in um the subdivision off of Duncan Lane.

There are quite a few homes that have been built in that new subdivision area, um, and are still a lot of apartments under construction.

We have one exit out of our subdivision, and if you want to go east, you go out Duncan, and then you have to make a U turn to get on to 25.

Um, I'm concerned because this property is right just a little bit past where you have to turn around and if you want to go east to 25, that it's gonna result in more congestion there, especially if workers start going back into that area for um jobs.

Um so I have a couple points to make.

Um is that the sign announcing this was minuscule, and so there aren't a whole lot of people who know that this is happening right now.

A few of us are aware we weren't clear on whether this was the public hearing or whether this was just a preliminary discussion of what was going to happen with with the rezoning.

Um in addition to the fact that there's a only one exit out of the subdivision.

I have a concern about the precedent of there are a number of homes set back from Duncan Lane that um I imagine on both sides of this property there might even be a home on this property.

I'm not sure.

Next to it.

Okay.

Um and and there's some fairly nice homes, and they're sat back a good ways, and if you put in an I2 zoned piece right in the middle of those homes, probably everybody there is gonna want to sell their property to the Richmond Industrial Park.

And I know I didn't move to this area to be in the middle of a a big industrial park.

Right now, the industries that exist are far enough back from the road that you don't really notice it a whole lot.

But if we start rezoning all along Duncan Lane is I2, um I think you're gonna have people who think the quality or the uh property values are gonna go down for their homes.

Um so I don't know the process for doing this if the city of Richmond's already bought it.

I'm guessing that you all have already bought it in some sense, and that we may be too late coming to this game, but I would request a public hearing on this particular particular rezoning so that my neighbors could get a little bit more organized and understand more about um what's being proposed.

I it sounds like it's being proposed as becoming a part of the Richmond Industrial Park, which makes that whole section of Duncan a potential um expansion of the Richmond Industrial Park.

And I would also ask, and um you might not be willing to answer that, whether um the owners of the property have any particular prospects that they're proposing to go into this I2 land?

I think that's covered all of my points, but I would like the opportunity for others to learn more about this.

It's if it's uh I forget how many millions of dollars I wrote it on a different piece of paper that they've spent on this piece of property, it's a significant deal, and it's gonna change um Duncan Lane in significant ways.

It will be a uh public hearing with the commission.

So I have one other question about um process.

Does this get approved by Richmond planning and zoning, and then it's done, or does it have also it will go before the commissions?

We just recommend we just recommend it.

You recommend to Richmond City Commission.

Does the county have any role in the case?

No, no county.

Okay.

The next process would be that if it is approved here, it would go before the Richmond Board of Commissioners for final approval.

Okay.

And I'm I'm sorry that you couldn't read the sign, but that that is what is for for a public hearing.

Those signs, yeah.

Yes, in addition, there was it wasn't published in the Richmond Registry as well.

There was an official legal publication in the Richmond register of this.

I I know nobody.

I well, that that's a legal requirement.

Somewhat please.

I have John Massick.

I have the property directly across the street.

Um Duncan.

I can even see it.

And uh my father-in-law owns the 800 acres across the street.

Um which I'm all for progress.

I mean, I get you know industrial park is obviously a good thing, great jobs.

Um, the only thing, I think to her point, and even to own her name.

Mr.

Miller's point before you give somebody just you know the authorization to make an eye to and don't even know what's going in there, and my elvoice a little bit across the street from there.

And so um, you know, like she said, I've set bug off the road a couple hundred feet, so that's that's nice when I'm not trying to be selfish.

I guess you gotta have development, you gotta have expansion, but you know I don't know what light industrial means.

I mean, but the thought of another raft or something right across the street from me is kind of kind of scary, like she said, and you get to the point where maybe do you want to sell um heavy in the test for anything?

It's light industrial, right?

I don't know what that means, but um you know he mentioned a second entrance to the industrial park.

I don't know where that would be in relation to the sign that was placed for this hearing, but my driveway is right across the street from that sign.

So maybe this isn't really the place for this conversation, maybe that's more at the commission meeting or the site development plan, but um it's just unnerving to give somebody an approval and you don't even know what you're approving as far as what's going in there.

I feel like it, you know, it should be there should be more information about hey, we're gonna we're gonna do this or that.

And I'm I talked to David last week.

I mean, I understand um that things have got to grow, but you know, there's all kinds of rumors, which I don't pay much attention to about a hemp plant and a battery plant and a tanker outlet, and then you get on Facebook and it's just a rat hole of people that really don't know.

That's true.

I'm not saying this is true, I'm just saying, you know, I don't know what's going in there, so that's what's unnerved to me as a homeowner across the street that owns probably it's worth $800,000 and you know it couldn't drop by 50% or something to build something across the street.

We've got 400 cattle on the ground right now, hey, so I mean, please operation on right now, sure.

Sound is another issue.

I hear your towns, I don't mind it all.

But if I'm hearing industrial stuff, it would be different.

I mean, I realize the industrial park is there and it's down the road, but I mean it's like we don't it's not visible or it's not like you know, loud, and so um an abandoned fire station on Duncan already, like just to take that one street and that used to be fired specific.

So that's you know stories I'm gonna build another party when they shut it down because they didn't have money to operate it.

So um I just my point is I wish there was more information.

I don't know where you get that or when you get that, but would love to know more about what's going to be someone else name please.

I'm Charles Horn.

I live at 447 Duncan Lane, and I want to vote against this L2.

Uh with the infrastructure we have right now.

It's terrible.

Even the new Duncan road is impossible anymore.

The interstate and the factory workers, even the real road where they're blacked up in the new road on each end of Duncan.

We've got more traffic than they ever have.

The city has not done any infrastructure to get all this traffic out of the business district or the main subdivision.

We've had four deaths in the last three months on the down counter for traffic accidents.

And the industrial park, the city has got over 600 acres still undeveloped in the industrial park.

Now, if you want to open more up, then put it in the city industrial park instead of putting another on down county after more traffic business.

Right now is not the time.

Y'all have voted more farmland wasted to new compartment complexes.

This county is got lost most of the best farmland we've had.

And it's getting more, y'all are letting more and more from the city.

And and being more condo's on it.

But I am against building a certain amount or taking away a certain amount of rich farm.

So I vote no on this on county.

There's over 30,000 cars going up and down Duncan in there in 24 hours.

That's a lot of traffic.

You can go out there at seven o'clock morning and it's bumper to bumper going out of town, going over to interstate to go to that.

Evening, about 3:30, 4 o'clock, they start and they come back across and they come up through town everywhere in the world that come across Goggan Lane, and you all authorized build on the other side of Goggins Lane, and you got a new school over, and you got a narrow road, and you got all the road uh cars coming from the factories because across through her.

Now we got school buses over there, and now you they let a hundred apartments being built behind the new subdivision or new shopping center, and that's 200 more cars a day coming out on that road.

So I'm against it.

If you're gonna have more industry, let them go in the industrial park, they're gonna nice entrance and roads back through there, and you got 600 acres too somewhere.

Now develop at this time, we don't need that farmland wasted.

That's all I have to say.

Anyone else got anything to say?

And you don't have the infrastructure for fire stations or anything else, sir.

On some of your infrastructures, um the city don't have control over those.

It's just like Main Street that's through the state.

So you the city can apply for and and put in development form, but the final say so comes through the state.

Like 25 East Main Street, Langster Road, and and 25 out there, that that comes through the state.

We've tried.

I mean, right now we've got plans in for uh for Barnes Mill.

For the last control and town, not in a round.

Yes, sir.

I know it.

Three years.

But we got the shortest road system in the whole city.

Well, this estate.

You haven't laptop any road in the outside street completely.

You go in when you tell you come and cut them, cut home in a row and you package in this road, and they don't manage to get down.

Well, we came back, they left a round thing, water cover in the middle of the street, big little water form, and that's about ship.

So you can't put range around that, build that up and have it smooth.

Okay, thank you, sir.

Yes, you're right.

I worked for city here for 20 years.

I know you was on the fire department.

Yeah, but I was on our shift and tree here.

But thank you.

Appreciate it.

But the craft is work.

You can come up here now.

I can't remember what's a nice area.

It's such a big crowd.

There's also been a whole lot of electrical, big huge power line work going on in that area, and I'm not sure exactly what that's about.

But AI data centers are a big issue that are spreading throughout the country, and there are lots of stories about them establishing and being very loud and using up a lot of water, and as someone who lives in a subdivision right next to this area, um, I think we need, I don't know what zoning um level a data center takes, but um I assure you if that's what somebody proposes to put in that property or in that industrial park there, you'll have a fight on your hands.

Are there any plans for a data center?

Um thank you for those comments.

Those were all very well taken, by the way.

Um I will say I want to remind us that tonight we're here for a zone change.

And and it's kind of hard for the city to um attract business until we have proper zoning in place.

So really I can't speak to what might come there.

I can't assure you that uh if this is rezoned and an industry is interested in the property, it has to come back in front of this board.

So you know, tonight we're here to talk about the rezone from AG to I2, which follows our comprehensive plan, which is done every five years.

It's uh actually uh uh backs into our industrial park three, and currently we only have about between a 42-acre site and a 20-acre site that's built ready.

So we don't have 600 acres uh of other industrial property, and and and I understand the concerns of traffic.

Uh I fight them every day, but I will say anywhere in a city our size in North America between 7:30 in the morning and eight fifteen and four thirty in the afternoon and five thirty, you're gonna have traffic.

Lancaster doesn't have traffic that way, but I mean, that's just part of that morning rush.

Um, if there's a corridor in our city limits that has the infrastructure for development, it's Duncan Lane.

And again, the state and the city has been hundreds of millions of dollars developing this corridor.

You've got a new road on the west side of the interstate that'll be connecting to the airport.

That will that open uh open that up.

You've got the new connector all the way to Garrett County that's been built.

So again, I want I want to assure these folks that if an industry decides to locate on this property, the city will be very conscientious about what it is and it being the right fit for us.

Um we've had large industries that don't fit our city approaches.

Um of them that we're kind of smoking that industry can be said no.

And again, I think we have a very responsible region and industrial development corporation board.

I think our board of commissioners and these board here is a very aware of what we shouldn't have.

So I appreciate the input, and I think if there's a portal for development in our city, it's certainly done.

Thank you.

Is there anyone else?

Is it possible to speak a little bit to what the difference between I2 and light end up?

I I prefer that to uh our planning is only Kevin.

Kevin.

Yeah, the the difference in I one and I two is just heavy and light industry.

Uh a lot of that will break down to your uh how large your land tracks are.

Um naturally, if you're light industry, the those subsequent tracks can shrink a little bit.

Um, but still, yeah, the uh any development plan will be effective on those and and restrictions and things of that nature.

Um heavy industry, naturally, you have to around 15 acres possibly very large sites.

And you know, maybe we're getting outside of the box of what we're here for today, but you know, this these tracks I can personally assure you are encumbered by blue line streams and and ravines and and floodplains and things of that nature.

So if one was to look at this property and say it's just going to be flat concrete from one end to the other, that won't happen.

The division of water will make sure of that.

But uh it it is very developable.

Umgrated streets and things when we get to that point.

Um interconnectivity is a huge aspect of what we do, what we look for.

Um if we can create uh an interconnectivity through uh essentially a dead end street and loop it back out.

You know, our first responders have a much better way to get in and out uh traffic, you know, right or left, depending on if you're coming to 25 or if you're headed to the interstate.

If you work in these areas, you have choice then.

Um it's just not a single in or out.

Yes, and uh we're actually working on that with our comprehensive plan.

That's that's uh we won't get into that.

We're we're here for zone change, but yes, we're we're there, we're working on that.

Um but again, a lot of the same type of structures, buildings, things of that nature.

But uh the difference, the main difference here is the size, physical size of that tract.

Okay.

Anyone else?

And again, I'll point out we've had a couple of those manufacturers' approaches about property that's privately owned out on exit 83, and it was we didn't even bring it to you all because we didn't want that kind of business along our interstate.

You know, we don't want people driving down the interstate I-75 and see a Richmond exit and see something that's pumping out of the odor that people can't stand in business like so.

We'll we'll make sure the right manufacturers go in these spaces.

Okay, any more?

No, the city's already purchased this property.

That's correct.

Okay, and then we needed this for interconnectivity into the rest of the industry park.

So the current industrial park.

Yeah, no way.

There you go.

So the current industrial park is right here.

The property we are purchasing is right here.

So you've got a buffer farm here, you've got a buffer farm here, and then you've got the industrial part three back here.

It connects to industrial part two to gun cannon, and then you'll have an entrance up dependent X here with the new industrial part.

Okay.

Am I getting a motion on this, please?

Well, I'm gonna make a motion that we were uh accept and ask a request for the zone map amendment located at 495 Duncan Lane proposed zone change from AG to I two can it commissioner de Grant?

Yes, Commissioner Francis.

Yes, Commissioner Short?

Yes, Commissioner Miller, yes.

Commissioner Perkins?

Yes, Commissioner Miles, yes.

Commissioner Scott?

Yes.

Thank you all.

Next on the agenda is the major subdivision platform, Madison Middle on Summit Street.

Uh bringing this plant before you this evening.

Um is familiar with the Madison Host School property.

Um school board is looking to divide this into four tracks.

Um minor subdivision plat, but three so for that reason we're bringing it to you.

It's a major subdivision.

We're not proposing any development at this time with any changes to the infrastructure, uh simply dividing them into four lots because they pursue what they're gonna do with the property.

Which track are we talking about?

The whole thing.

The whole thing.

The whole thing.

Okay.

The property exists right now as one parcel of land, uh, and they're looking to divide it into four tracks.

So you're just dividing the tracks, and that's it.

That's it.

Okay.

School building and all.

Building and all.

We're gonna tear it down, right?

There's no plans at this time.

I guess it'd be too much to keep it up.

I'd like to let it go.

Amen.

I know they're talking at one point about doing something with the homeless using that property.

I'm not sure.

Middle school.

I haven't heard anything like that.

But this is just dividing it up.

Nice.

I know.

That's all it is, is just dividing it up.

Yes, sir.

Um, the the only thing that's occurring is you're taking a parent tract, which is the whole shooting match.

Which one the the parent track would be the cumulative uh sum of tract one, track two, track three, and tract four.

So that would be your parent tract uh intact, unaffected.

What uh Stewart's providing here is a uh viable plat with the necessary road front is necessary square footages, things of that nature that that we need to create property here in the city of Richmond.

Um with that being said, uh the the issue is that it's four.

Uh if it were three or less, we wouldn't be here tonight.

But since the property uh presents four tracks, four possible uh areas of one over in the future, uh it has to come before this board because it qualifies as a major plat because it has more than three tracks in this case.

This one has four, and so simply a major plat.

Um, but nothing will happen.

There's no infrastructure involved, no streets being built, things that you're used to as a major plat, such as a preliminary in this case.

Uh if you have four lots, it's considered a major plat and has to come before the commission.

Okay.

You know, most platts I see come back, you know, with where they're gonna put housing, we're gonna put subdivisions, where what they're gonna do about it.

This just seems rather vague.

That's where I was commissioning.

It is, and and that's all it is.

Uh the only thing happening is you're creating four tracks from one.

And and those are compliant tracks being created.

So with that being said, the purpose or intent of this plat is solely just to create those tracks.

It's what are they zoned?

They are zoned, help me out here.

R1C.

That's yes, R1C.

So all four tracks, uh, since they are uh since the parent tract is R1C in its entirety, you're able to split that.

Uh and in this event, four lots are the intent of of the applicant.

Um and you're you're able to do that since it's all the same zone.

Now, what you would be left with, uh, Commissioner Miller is is four tracks zoned R1C.

Now, with that being the case, we certainly have existing structures that could continue some type of use because those structures are there.

Structures that may be introduced onto track two and track three would fall under some sort of of development requirement or zone requirement for whatever may be in the future.

Doesn't matter.

That's that's not what's at question here.

It's just the simple creation of a uh compliant tract.

Then do they sell them to Eastern when they're divided?

Who knows?

I I'm not sure, you know, it if the applicant is a single entity, it would be their discretion of what they would like to do with these independent tracks.

If the school board chooses to dispose of the property, they're controlled by state law as to how they can do that.

There's only one of a couple of ways that they can do that.

They can transfer the property to another state entity, uh, or they can sell to an auction and give everyone equal opportunity to apply the property.

So if it now basically the state or the school school board work is I will say because they are uh as an auctioneer, they're prepping this as an auction.

Uh you by the way that they're dividing it, just my knowledge, which makes the most sense.

Because then they can sell it out to individuals if somebody wants to rehab the school, they can buy just the school if they want to rehab this back part, they can do that.

They can keep the cafeteria if they want to do something.

They're setting it up to dispersion.

Well, Eastern will have to pay a fair price.

But that's what's going to happen to it.

So the city's not going to end up uh receiving more uh money from the process.

Well, you also have to remember we don't know.

We don't know that.

Because a public entity might come in.

But any individual can bid on them, right?

Anyone can bid on them.

Correct.

And that I think it the I kind of know what they're doing here, just knowing in my industry, this is what I would do and advise as an auctioneer is to cut it up.

Sure.

Because it makes it easier to divide it out and sell it and allows more participants to be able to bid on it.

That's literally what this is for.

And the school board, I mean, they they are subject to surplus property, they'd have to declare it surplus property, correct?

Similar to the city, generally it's done at auction as as you mentioned.

Yes.

Um, but you know, yeah, I understand the presumption that Eastern would want to come in, but I mean it we go to the highest bidder in that situation.

So the school board.

If I had a crystal ball, I'd be so that's that's the other big point.

As the school board and EKU are both state entities, if they want to come to an agreement, they can do so outside of one public auction.

So they don't have to pay complicated that they can take hands and make it.

It could be transferred to another governmental acy.

Yeah, that is correct, yeah.

I think we could go to Eastern taxes.

Any more questions on this?

They can only pay for government.

I get a motion on this, please.

I motion to approve this plat change.

They don't know.

For medicine middle.

Yeah, that's okay.

Commissioner De Grant?

Yes.

Commissioner Francis?

Yes.

Commissioner Short?

Yes.

Commissioner Miller?

Yes.

Commissioner Perkins?

No.

Commissioner Miles.

No.

Commissioner South.

Did I get everybody?

Did I miss somebody if I can miss somebody?

Okay.

Commissioner South.

Okay.

I tell you, it's hard.

I might vote novel.

Okay.

Thanks so much.

Can you give the account, please?

Yeah, well, that's just one more time.

Commissioner De Grant said yes.

Commissioner Francis.

Yes.

Commissioner Short.

Yes.

Commissioner Miller.

Yes.

Commissioner Perkins.

No.

Commissioner Miles.

Commissioner Sell.

So 43.

It passes.

Okay.

Thank you.

Next on the agenda is letter of credit release for Magnolia Point Phase 4.

Mr.

Chair, you skipped one.

No, we no.

This sorry.

Okay.

Sorry.

Keep going.

If you will, Mr.

Commissioner, uh, I I can address uh item number 11.

Um Stuart, if you have anything, so you're very welcome to say so.

But uh in short, um Magnolia Point Phase 4 has requested a letter of credit release.

Uh we have done those necessary inspections, uh created the item itemization list.

It has been complete according to my uh uh field inspector.

So um citizens guaranteed bank item number 423 in the amount of 102,325 dollars, according to my department, would be recommended to be released.

The subdivision is complete.

Okay, no questions on that we have to make a motion.

Okay, I make a motion we uh accept the letter of credit release for a magnolia point, phase four.

Second Commissioner De Grant?

Yes, Commissioner Francis?

Yes, Commissioner Short, yes, Commissioner Miller, yes, Commissioner Perkins, yes, Commissioner Miles?

Yes, Commissioner Steph?

Yes.

Thank you.

Next is the letter of credit release for magnolia point phase six uh again uh Mr.

Chairman, I'll take this one as well.

Um the same thing.

Uh as you know, this is an expansion of the same subdivision, so they sort of knocked out two phases of this through our inspection process and working with uh Stuart and his partners.

Um this particular item would be from Citizens uh Guarantee Bank item number 422 in the amount of 112, 107.

It's uh my recommendation uh that it be released any questions on this motion, please.

Yeah, I'll make a motion we approve the letter of credit release for Magnolia Point Phase 6.

Second Commissioner De Grant?

Yes, Commissioner Francis?

Yes, Commissioner Short, yes Commissioner Miller, yes, Commissioner Perkins?

Yes, Commissioner Miles, yes, Commissioner Stell.

Yes, next is letter of credit release for Rainwood Trace again uh much the same thing, same process.

Uh but we've worked with that developer.

Um we have reached this this is one of our overdue.

Your old yeah, um we've reached all necessary uh field uh items such as the parks and the sidewalks and landscape buffers and what have this is a subdivision out in uh pavilion at Government Leaf left um we're sending them down, don't hold me to it, but I think we're in lower single digits what lower single digits uh say that because I can't rattle them off the top of my head.

Okay, good.

We we actually had one other on here uh that we pulled, but uh with discussion with my field inspector, um we discovered a little bit of an issue with uh electrical conduit out there and so we're trying to get to the bottom of this final piece of it, and and if so that is resolved, you will see yet another one next month.

We're getting close.

Yep.

Um so with uh as we proceed with rainwood trace, um I don't have an item number for that, but through people's bank in the amount of one hundred thousand four hundred and sixty dollars uh is a letter of credit.

I would recommend a release.

Any questions on this?

You got a motion to I get extra for all these motions.

Okay, let's see.

Yeah, I I make approval for the letter of credit release for rainwood trace.

We approve that.

Second.

Okay, Commissioner De Grant.

Yes.

Commissioner Francis.

Yes.

Commissioner Short.

Yes.

Commissioner Miller.

Yes.

Commissioner Perkins.

Yes.

Commissioner Miles.

Yes.

Commissioner Stell.

Yes.

Director's report.

Yes, sir.

We have a big one today.

A very special one.

Come on.

What?

It is uh my duty to inform the commission that we will be losing our Tyler.

Oh man.

Oh Tyler, uh he will be, as we say, heading across the pond to Scotland.

Oh Scotland.

Congratulations.

Land of his family.

Yeah.

I would like to say that we will.

You're moving there permanently.

Do they have a planning and zoning board over there for you?

Scotland's about to be shaped dried up.

Sure.

But uh I I want to say that that this young man here for nine years has been a strong arm for me in positions that I did not have any authority as as I moved through my career.

He has been there for me.

Um I will always tell this funny little story.

I've told it today at lunch and and other places as well.

I'm not the most computer savvy person.

I can look and draw and see Ziggly's eyes as best as any of them.

But when it comes down to why something didn't download correct, or why will it not accept me doing something I'm trying to do?

I will do this.

And I'll say it out loud from my office.

Smart people.

One of two people will come.

There will be no email sent.

There will be no phone call made.

It will either be Caitlin from another department or this fine young man here.

He walks in willingly, he finds the problem, he fixes it.

We go back to work.

We are self-sufficient, and with this gentleman not being here, I will greatly miss him and what he does for this department and for me.

When's your last day?

A week from today.

Wow.

Oh my gosh.

Where in Scotland are you going?

Edmund?

Scotland.

West Coast.

And do you play golf?

You know, funny enough, I don't play golf.

Um think about an hour on the train and 20 minutes on the ferry from Glasgow.

Oh so West Coast.

How exciting.

Good for you.

Well congratulations.

Best of luck to you.

Yes, get to work on blighted and abandoned castles.

Sure.

You make sure those castles have plenty of partners.

Parking towered out.

Okay.

Sure.

You have a lot of relatives there, don't you?

Yeah, my mother.

My mother's one of 17 kids.

So yeah.

I have many, many.

Okay, well.

Two mothers, one father, but yes, uh, one of 17 and all but thirteen of those live in one town.

Wow.

Wow.

So my family is well known in that town.

Yeah.

Well we miss you.

Yeah.

Rob, anything to add?

No, we're just gonna miss time on it.

People don't realize the work that goes into the clerk's position and planning and zoning, getting everything together and getting it to our city clerk.

So replacing him is gonna be tough.

Big shoes.

Absolutely.

He drives us to these meeting things that we have to go to in Frankfurt.

I know.

We appreciate your help.

Yeah, really do you hope you get lucky?

I don't think it'd be a good luck.

I think you'll enjoy it.

It's a whole different world.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, it's what about the homeless thing?

You're not mentioning that.

We were supposed to bring that up again this time, were we?

December.

You'll see it.

December.

Okay.

So we think here DC.

With the homeless issue, there are several ongoing conversations, and somewhat what we touched upon in previous meetings is that there are many tentacles that are that we have to address on that.

I wish it was something that just the city could address, but I mean it's gonna involve stakeholders in the community, statewide, all that.

Uh city manager and myself have have meetings this week set up.

So in December, hopefully we'll have the uh a proposal that was initially presented that I think we quickly realized wasn't as expansive as it needed to be to address the concerns, but we are working on that, and it will be ready to present next month to you all in some form.

Okay good something to look forward to get a motion to adjourn.

Yes.

Second all in favor?

Yes.

We won't be able to understand you in just a few years.

I've got I've got a niece that moves there.