Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.

Councilor Landon Time, will you lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance?

I will.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.

One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Please remain standing.

Um as have become somewhat of a tradition.

I want to take a moment to recognize our first responders and their commitment to our safety.

I also want to take a moment to recognize a fellow city planner who recently passed away.

Tamara Martinez was very well respected amongst her peers and will be truly missed.

So let's take a moment of silence.

All right, you may be seated.

So um to start the meeting, just make sure that you've got all of your electronic devices silenced during the governing body meeting.

I'll do that now for my own device.

Um and then for the record, I'll read the name of the governing bodies.

When I say your name, please acknowledge your present by saying present.

Councilor Dabson.

Present.

Councilor Lenington.

Present.

Councilor Tyler, who is remote.

Present.

Councilor Cobreth, who is also remote.

Present.

And Councilor List.

Present.

Thank you.

For the record, today at 5 p.m.

the governing governing body met in closed session in accordance with section 10-15-1, H2 NMSA 1978.

Limited personnel matters provided that for the purposes of the open meeting act, limited personnel matters means the discussion of hiring, promotion, demotion, dismissal, assignment, or resignation, or in the investigation or consideration of complaints or charges against an individual, public employee, provided further that this paragraph is not construed as an exempt final to exempt final actions on personnel from being taken at open public meetings, nor does it preclude any aggrieved public employee from demanding a public hearing.

Judicial candidates interviewed by any commission shall have the right to demand an open interview, annual evaluation of city manager per articles 3.01 and 3.07 of the city charter.

No action was taken at this meeting.

Tonight we have no proclamations or awards of merit.

So we will move on to public forum.

I will remind everyone that I will allow for a special discussion item for item D31 after public forum.

So for public forum, we have one person signed up, Mr.

Stephen Van Horn.

Good evening, Mayor, Counselors.

I want to draw your attention to the first one.

It says there's a big circle.

It says Rio Rancho Pure for future use.

It's under the heading, is our water supply sustainable.

This is a very important question.

The answers given here it just quote it basically just says that they've the cities injected 350 million gallons of water back into the aquifer since 2017.

350 million gallons of water is what the injection system is supposed to be injecting every year.

This this question about sustainability.

Um just saying that you're working on sustainability is not really enough information for the public.

Uh to have any confidence that the system that we the city is managing is actually sustainable.

We need to know things about what's happening with the report.

We need to know is the water level water table declining, has it been declining?

We need to know there's several things that we have to have some visibility to, and it's not in this report.

The second page shows very another important thing.

It's uh do I need to take special precautions?

Now I've talked about this before, and I know it's controversial, but the pictures have been changed, so apparently you did listen to my concern.

So apparently you did listen to my concern.

However, the pictures that now appear, it shows an elder elderly woman drinking a glass of water.

Shows a pregnant woman drinking a glass of water.

The warning that's in here says if you're elderly or you're sick, or if you're an infant and you have any sort of health issues, you need to talk to your doctor before you drink top water and re-runchal.

So again, the pictures that are selected here do not inform a bad meme.

It's a meme that says everything's okay.

I don't think it's it's appropriate to put this in the report.

Thank you, Mr.

Van Horn.

That that closes the public forum item.

Do we have any comments by counselors this evening?

Hearing none, I'm gonna move on before we get to the consent calendar to a special discussion on item D 31, which is the removal of one of our members from the public infrastructure advisory or or the uh one of our members, Trip Juan Martinez from the public infrastructure advisory board.

Right now we only have one person signed up by the deadline.

That's Mr.

Mike Jackovich.

Yes, sir.

Mayor Weimer, Counselors.

My name is Mike Jakovich.

I'm a resident of Real Rancho.

The removal of any volunteer from an advisory board, just because he asked questions, and the mayor doesn't agree with his perspectives, is despicable.

I'm referring to item D 31, the removal of Juan Martinez and PIB.

I also understand several meetings were canceled to prevent his attendance.

Crazy.

I served on the PIB for two years from 2017 2018 as chair for one year.

I was chastised by Mayor Hall because I had a meeting on dirt roads in January 2018.

He was upset that a real Rancho Tea Party used remarks from that meeting against him during his re-election campaign.

I also discovered that a road list as a candidate for GO Bond Road Bond didn't need any work.

Subsequently, I've been blackballed from any appointments on advisory boards.

After being rejected six times in five years, I met with Mayor Hall on March 23rd, 2023.

City Attorney Josh Rubin walked in holding my red folder and sat through the meeting.

Paul told me that any candidate must play ball with the mayor counselors, otherwise he or she is not considered.

I sympathize with Mr.

Martinez and request that he be allowed to serve the remainder of his term on the PIB.

Due to the two-minute rule, I'll provide further details on the Facebook page.

Real ranchal citizens for government accountability this weekend.

Look for my article, the real ranchal advisory board farce.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Jackovich.

That is the only individual we had signed up for item D 31, which moves us on to the consent calendar.

Can I have a motion to approve the consent calendar?

Motion to approve the consent calendar.

Second.

Thank you, sir.

Counselor Tyler.

Yes.

Mayor Mayor Weimer.

Yes.

Councillor Dabson.

Yes.

Counselor List.

Yes.

Counselor Calbreith?

Yes.

Counselor Lennon Time?

Yes.

Thank you.

The consent calendar is approved.

Thank you, Madam Clerk.

Mr.

Mayor.

Who asked for the floor?

Tyler.

Counselor Tyler.

Counselor Tyler.

I'm sorry.

I missed you.

That's okay.

Um, just real quick, I just wanted to um recognize all of the um folks who have just been appointed to the boards.

Uh uh.

I I really appreciate all of them stepping up and uh moving forward.

So thank you very much.

Thank you, Counselor Tyler, Mr.

Mayor.

Counselor Benin Time.

Uh yes, I'd also like to recognize everyone that has stepped up.

Uh and also say it's not uh it's great uh group of city staff we have here very easy to get along with if that is your aim and intention.

Uh also wanted to recognize your work and uh city managers' work as well in in putting up the calls, interviewing people, talking to a lot of folks.

I know you spent a lot of hours in your first couple of months here, making sure that all of these boards and commissions could get filled completely or really close, and so that's really exciting.

So thank you to all those community members who are willing to step up and volunteer, serve your community.

Uh, we certainly appreciate it.

Thank you.

Thank you, Councillor Lynn Time.

Counselor List.

Uh I would just like to uh tag on and say that I had the opportunity to sit on interviews for anybody for district six positions, and I was so very impressed and grateful for the folks in our district are uh stepping up as well as the rest of the individuals.

So thank you so much.

Thank you, Councillor List.

I don't have anybody.

Okay.

Yes, I and I guess I'll echo those same comments.

It was while it was an arduous task to interview all of these folks, we really need to do that.

And now I'm I'm pleased to say we're well above eighty percent of the the board and commission seats filled.

I will bring forward a few more at the next meeting, so we're we'll be above 90 percent when all is said and done.

So thank you to everyone who has expressed a desire to work or on a board or a commission.

It's a um very rewarding experience.

I did the same thing, Councillor Tyler did the same thing as on planning and zoning board.

So I'd encourage anyone who has an interest to consider coming forward.

All right, moving on to the board, commission, and committee reports.

We have none, so we'll move on to public hearings.

Anyone with a pecuniary interest on an item under public hearing and wishing to address the governing body shall register with the city clerk.

Each comment will be less limited to two minutes.

This hearing will be handled in accordance with the rules of procedures section 3.4 and strict decorum will be maintained.

Item 19 D22, which was postponed from the June 25th, 2026 meeting.

Site plan amendment approval for a proposed expansion to the existing Sage Brush Search Church.

I'll get it building at 7555 Enchanted Hills Boulevard.

Good evening, Mr.

Mayor, members of the governing body, Amy Rincone, Director from Development Services.

Um item number 19 in front of you is a site plan for an expansion of the Sagebrush Church in Enchanted Hills.

Uh so uh here's a copy of the location map, and then I do have a couple of exhibits uh for the site plan itself.

There are more images in your agenda briefing memorandums.

So this one would be just showing you how um the expansion is going to change the interior space.

And then the landscaping plan.

Elevations.

Uh so this uh was reviewed by the planning and zoning board at their regular meeting on June 9th of 2026.

Uh they did recommend approval, and I will stand for any questions.

Thank you, Director.

Is the applicant here?

Sorry.

Oh, thank you, uh, Mayor Weimers.

I am Sergio Lazoya uh with Terra West LLC, and I'm representing.

Excuse me, Mr.

Lazo.

Can you hold for a second?

I forgot to ask for a motion.

So I'm gonna ask for a motion in a second.

I have a motion to mayor make a motion.

D22.

I move to approve D 22.

We have a second.

Second.

Okay.

Now you can proceed.

Yeah, Mr.

Lazo.

Thank you, uh, Mayor Weimer.

I did have a presentation uh along to go along with my uh speech.

We've got a lot of PowerPoints.

Uh good evening, Mayor Weimer and members of the governing body.

Uh my name is Sergi Lazoya with Tara West, and I'm here on behalf of Stage Brush Church.

Uh the request before you is approval of a site plan amendment for an existing Sage Brush Church campus and Enchanted Hills.

The amendment will allow for an approximately 6,968 square foot addition to the existing church building.

The subject property is located at 7555 Enchanted Hills Boulevard Northeast.

And the proposed improvements will remain within the existing church campus and are intended to support the continued operation and growth of the church.

The floor plan shows the included worship areas, church and children's spaces, offices, classrooms, commons areas, and other building supported spaces.

The building functions as a mixed use facility.

Office and administrative activities primarily occur during the work week, typically 8 to 5, while the highest attendance associated with worship services typically occur on Sundays.

This is this distinction is important when evaluating the parking demand because the office and worship uses generally reach their peak activity levels at different times.

The proposed site plan amendment includes an approximately 6,968 square foot building addition on the north side of the existing building.

The addition will occupy a portion of the existing parking and circulation area, and the site plan therefore reorganizes parking and internal circulation around the proposed addition.

The overall access points from Enchanted Hills Boulevard and need a place will remain, and the project will continue to use existing church campus and surrounding infrastructure.

No change to the primary church use is proposed.

As part of the project, the applicant reviewed the existing easements located throughout the property.

The easement exhibit identifies the existing easements and provides a framework for coordinating the proposed building addition with the city of Rio Rancho.

This work was necessary to ensure that the addition did not interfere with existing infrastructure or circulation and access.

Portions of the existing easements that conflicted with the proposed addition have been adjusted and replaced and dedicated where necessary.

These easement actions have been completed through the appropriate city processes and coordinated with the affected reviewing agencies before the submittal.

Parking was one of the primary issues evaluated during the review of this request, but because the office and warship uses operated at different peak times, the city's mixed or joint use parking provisions allowed the office-related parking requirements to be reduced.

Applying that standard resulted in a total of requirement of 262 spaces.

The site provides 274 parking spaces exceeding the reduced requirement by tall spaces.

We also conducted parking counts during recent Sunday services.

Those counts showed 153 spaces occupied on May 3rd of this year and 199 spaces occupied on May 10th.

Both counts were well below the 274 spaces provided on the site.

These calculations and observations demonstrated that the site has sufficient parking to accommodate the proposed addition and the church's existing operations.

Staff has recommended approval of the site plan amendment subject to following conditions.

These included confirming all building setback measurements, documenting the amount and allocation of landscaping affected by the addition, correcting the site plan parking count to reflect 274 spaces, and addressing the remaining reviewer comments.

We have addressed the landscape comments.

We have updated the parking counts to reflect the 274 spaces, and we've also adjusted the site plan to show the appropriate setbacks.

We are in agreement with the remaining conditions and will address them as part of the final building permit process.

In closing, the proposed amendment represents a relatively limited expansion of an established church campus.

The project will allow SAD Brush Church to better serve its congregation while continuing to use the existing property, access points, parking areas, and infrastructure.

The site provides sufficient parking.

The necessary easement modifications have been coordinated, and the applicant agrees with the remaining recommended conditions of approval.

For these reasons, we respectfully request that the governing body approve the site plan amendment.

And with that, I stand for questions.

Thank you, Mr.

Lozario.

Hang loose in case there's any questions.

Is there anyone from the public signed up to speak, Miss Davis?

I believe it was just both agents.

We're going to yes, we had Brian Bohanan as well.

Mr.

Bohana, do you wish to add anything?

Okay.

Thank you.

All right.

So there's no one to discuss from the public.

Are there any council discussions?

Any questions?

Seeing none, call the roll.

Thank you.

Councillor Cowbraith.

Yes.

Councilor Lennon Time?

Yes.

Councillor Dabson.

Yes.

Councillor Taylor.

Yes.

Counselor List.

Yes.

And Mayor Weimer.

Yes.

Thank you.

D22 is approved.

Congratulations and I look forward to your your project moving forward.

Thank you, Mayor.

Thank you, Councillors.

All right.

Next up is item 2001, ordinance of the City of Rio Rancho, New Mexico amending the zoning classification and official zoning map for the property legally described as Unit 16, block BB, lot 17A, 18A, and 20A through 24A from NC neighborhood commercial to SU special use for neighborhood commercial uses and an in and an indoor soccer facility providing for severability and an effective date.

Ms.

Rincol.

Mr.

Mayor and members of the governing body.

So this item is ordinance number 11.

And so this would be changing the zoning for a section of golf course from the current NC to an SU for NC plus indoor soccer.

So the zoning didn't explicitly allow for an indoor soccer use, but we do feel that it is compatible with the other NC uses in the zoning district.

And so this was a zoning change that we did recommend to the applicant.

And so it would be all of these lots in this area.

They did include with their zone map amendment a copy of the site plan.

And so there was additional images again in your agenda briefing memorandum.

But there is two access points for this soccer indoor soccer field.

One would be off of 11th, the other one would be off of golf course.

We have a couple of uh images for their elevations.

Um and then they also did uh provide a landscaping plan.

Um so this was reviewed by the planning and zoning board at their meeting on June 23rd, and they recommended approval, and I will stand for any questions.

Thank you, Ms.

Rencomb.

Can you get a motion?

I move to approve 011.

Second.

Second.

Okay, is the applicant here?

No.

Does the applicant wish to add anything to the to the discussion?

No.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you for coming.

Is there anyone signed up from the public to speak?

No, sir, there is not.

Okay.

Any council discussion?

Mr.

Mayor?

Counselor List.

I just want to say thank you.

What a creative fun thing to bring to the community.

We're always looking for stuff for for our young people and our families.

And I don't know if you did it on purpose or not, but right after FIFA to have this be here.

Uh I think it is a hot ticket item.

So I am super deeper looking forward to seeing how this pans out for you.

And maybe one of these days my keto will get a play there.

Mr.

Mayor.

Counselor Colbreath.

Thank you.

Um, yes, uh, similarly, um, having additional spaces for recreation and um youth activities is really important for our community.

Um, and and even just up until a couple of weeks ago, I received uh um an inquiry from a resident asking specifically about indoor soccer facilities.

Um with the uh hopeful approval of this item and then the completion of the build out.

Um look forward to um some very busy activities and wonderful spaces for youth.

So thank you very much for working.

Thank you, Councilor Colbreth.

I believe this is in your district as well.

Um yeah, I got a similar request from a constituent about we need more indoor soccer, and then just coincidentally, here came your project.

So what perfect timing?

So thank you for bringing the project forward.

Any further council discussion?

Okay, seeing none, call the roll.

Thank you.

Counselor Lenintine?

Yes, Councilor List, yes, Councilor Dabson, yes, counselor colbreth.

I'm sorry, Counselor Colbreth?

Yes, thank you.

Counselor Tyler.

Yes.

And Mayor Weimer.

Yes.

Thank you.

011 is approved.

Congratulations.

We look forward to seeing your project come out of the ground.

All right, moving on to item D39, sign site plan approval for retail office and restaurant spaces at the property legally described as the village tract A2.

Again, I'll ask for Ms.

Rincone to present.

Mr.

Mayor, members of the governing body.

So this item is uh going to be located, it's a site plan request located in the village.

So it would actually be on the lot that is behind the current Blake Slaughterberger and then north of the grocery store.

Um and so what they are looking at doing uh this site plan has uh spaces for retail, a restaurant, and for offices.

And so it does meet the standards for the Capazan Master Plan.

And it this is a site plan that only has to come here in front of the governing body.

So staff reviewed recommended approval, and I will stand for any questions.

Thank you, Mr.

Ncrone.

Can I get a motion?

Motion approved D39.

Second.

Have a motion and a second.

I see we've got one public hearing or what one member of the public wishing to speak, Miss Via.

Good evening.

My name is Nina Via with you at Zollers, the agent and engineer for the project.

And I'm here to answer any questions if they arise.

Thank you.

Thank you, Ms.

View.

Any council counselor discussion.

See your mayor.

Oh councillor Colbreth.

Thank you.

Um just again another item in my district.

I'm looking forward to seeing uh this continue to develop as the villages continues to develop.

So thank you.

Thank you, Councillor Crobreath.

Anything further?

Hearing none.

Call the role.

Thank you, sir.

Councilor Dabson.

Yes.

Councillor Tyler.

Yes.

Councillor Lynnantine?

Yes.

Counselor Colbright.

Yes.

Mayor Weimer?

Yes.

Counselor List.

Yes.

Thank you.

D 39 is approved.

Congratulations.

Looking forward to your project.

Thank you.

All right, that concludes the public hearing portion of the this evening's agenda.

We'll move on to second reading of ordinances.

We have none.

Move on to the first reading of ordinances.

Ordinances we also have none.

Next on the agenda, this items for discussion and deliberation.

Item 22, R56 resolution regarding Sandoval County's petition to annex approximately 7.8 acres of real property into the town of Bernalillo in order to expand the 13th Judicial District Court Complex and other county facilities.

Excuse me.

I'm sorry, but I moved that wrong.

R55, I apply.

Thank you, sir.

Mr.

Mayor and members of the governing body.

So this item is a request that came in from Sandoval County.

So what I have up on the screen is a map of the area.

The areas in red are what currently are within the city of Rio Rancho's boundary.

One of the things that we had put in your agenda briefing memorandum was the town of Bernalillo looked at doing some zoning along with this and had some other stuff.

So there is in that packet a much larger boundary that they were talking about, a lot a lot more acreage.

But what we're talking about tonight is just about 7.8 acres here in the city of Rio Rancho that would turn if we're all good with this annexation and uh the um Sandoval County goes through with it along with the town of Bernalillo would be annexed into the town of Bernalio.

So again, uh just the properties in red.

Um and so staff reviewed it looking at if there was gonna be um any issues with um with how the city is gonna move forward in the future or if this is gonna make any problems for us with any of our uh properties that bound this area, and we didn't find any issues uh with them moving forward with this request.

Um, and then I'm gonna go ahead and move this over to um the representatives from Sandoval County who have a presentation.

Good evening, County Manager Johnson.

Good evening, Mr.

Mayor, Councillors.

Wait for a second for this to come up.

All right.

Thank you.

So what you have before you is a request uh really for consolidation of the Lopless Layla lots there.

Um to do that, we need to de-annex some of the the properties that are within the boundaries of Rio Rancho and move them into uh the town of Bernalillo.

You can see some of the history of Laplace Welo, which is uh what we called the uh development where the county seat or the county offices sit.

Uh master plan was adopted in 2007 or revised in 2008.

Um the things that we found is that uh well Rio Rancho is growing quite quickly, and it's put pressure on the county to grow uh as well, and part of that would be of course the judicial complex, which we have begun work on expansion, where we'll add another three courtrooms and two hearing rooms and uh a jury room as well for both criminal and uh civil dockets.

Showed you the map a little bit earlier.

Uh the numbers you can see at the top um are uh the one, two, three, four, and five, those are lots that are currently held within Rio Rancho.

And I would call this a jurisdictional nightmare.

Because one of the things that's not really apparent on this is that we also have unincorporated county within our boundaries.

Uh so the grass area that you've seen probably driving by that is actually an unincorporated county.

We have the Health Commons.

I can't really tell on this map, but half of that building is in the town of Bernalillo, the other half is within the city of Rio Rancho, and you will see a stripe that runs along the judicial parking lot that is a strip of Rio Rancho that goes and connects that small strip or half of the building of the Health Commons.

Um right now we are looking at that first phase, which is down on the corner of Idalia and uh 528, that would be added to the judicial complex uh as part of this.

Um the lot that is immediately on the corner of, and I always say this wrong because my wife's company's name is Vista Incantada, but uh Camino Incantado and uh Iris or I Dalia, excuse me, that is currently in the uh boundary of Rio Rancho, that would be moved over into the town of Bernalillo, as well as the two um other areas at the on the north end of the complex, and we're labeling that as future growth.

Um obviously zoning cleanup, we're gonna have a whole building in one town as opposed to two, and then we are in the process of building a new uh voter election warehouse and boe, that's a Bureau of Elections, uh, will move our headquarters up to the north part of the um of the property, and uh as you may or may not know, all county officials have to reside within the county seat.

It's not something I made up, but it is a requirement, uh state requirement that all of our county elected officials have their offices within the county seat.

That county seat is the town of Bernalillo.

And then we're also looking at the the lot directly across from the new BOE warehouse for either future uh clerks location or other expansion within the county.

And one of the things that um you may have noticed is that the town of Bernalio is somewhat landlocked, and with the requirement of having all of our elected officials within the county seat, have their offices in the in the county seat.

We don't have a lot of options going forward.

Uh we have Pueblos on one side, we have City of Rio Rancho and Corrales all hemming in that that area.

So the county has taken the approach that we need to plan for the future.

We know there will be growth in Sandoval County.

A lot of that's going to be part of the city of Rio Rancho, but when we have that growth, we need to have a place to grow.

Originally, I believe we were trying to maybe do some commercial work within that Laplace Laplace Wela plat.

That is not something we anticipate going forward, simply because there aren't a lot of locations within the town of Bernalillo that we could expand into and be able to meet our our mandates.

So with that, I will be happy to answer any questions.

Sorry, thank you, County Manager Johnson.

I see you've got other folks from the county here.

Are are you speaking on their behalf and they're just here to support you?

I am they're here to support me moral and otherwise.

Uh we have our public works director, uh, Mr.

Mark Mark Hatzenbueller, our real property manager.

Um why am I blanking your last name, Amy?

Amy Griffin, who's been working with us, and then Laura Chavez, uh, who's our director of general services?

Okay, if there's something I can't answer, uh they'll be here to answer them for you.

When we get to the hard questions, we know where to go.

Exactly.

You know how this works.

Yes, sir.

I do.

Thank you.

All right, I see we have one.

Oh, you're I'm sorry, you're right.

Can you get a motion?

Um I move to approve R55.

Second.

All right, now we got a motion in the second.

Now we can go on to public comment.

Mr.

Van Horn has signed up for public comment.

Good evening again, Mr.

Mayor, Councillors.

Since uh there's gonna be adjustment to city Ariarancho boundaries, and since we have a policy of not providing water outside of the city boundaries, um my question is are these changes to our boundaries going to affect in any way utilities?

Is there access now to these uh properties that are in the city now but are gonna become part of Bernalillo, town of Bernalillo?

Uh are they gonna be able to use what was Rio Rancho City Water and uh finally is there any future, including this this project, is there any future um discussion or contemplation of going against deviating from the policy of not providing water outside of city boundaries?

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Van Horn.

Mr.

City Manager.

Would you like to address the issue of providing water to this complex?

Mr.

Mr.

Mayor, members of the governing body.

I'm looking out of the corner of my uh director gallegos.

My recollection, and Mr.

Gallegos can correct me, is that the city provides water to the county complex and has done so since the construction of the complex.

Um I will look to Steve for a nod.

He is nodding the confirmation.

So it is um has had it's probably hearing uh Mr.

Johnson walked through the timeline that puts it at nearly 20 years if the city has provided water to the complex.

Okay, thank you.

I see no one else signed up for public comment, so I'll move on to Council Comment.

Seeing none, call the roll.

Thank you.

Mayor Weimer.

Yes.

Councillor List.

Yes.

Councilor Tyler.

Yes.

Councilor Dabson.

Councillor Lennon Tyne?

Yes.

Counselor Colbreth.

Yes.

Thank you.

R 55 is approved.

All right, moving on to item number 23, R56.

Now we're on 56.

Resolution authorizing and permitting the city to sell 0.56 acres of real property.

And City Manager Geisel is going to present this this evening.

Mr.

Mayor, members of the government body, good evening.

Noelle is pulling up the PowerPoint for me.

I have a brief uh presentation in the um the buyer or the the the potential buyer, applicant, and their agent um, I believe are here as well.

This is uh R 56 resolution authorizing and permitting the city to sell 0.56 acres of real property.

Uh would like to provide uh just kind of a location map um and some orientation here on the screen.

My PowerPoint will complement the information that's in the ABM.

I can address any questions that are in the ABM too if they don't come up in uh the PowerPoint or uh the discussion.

Um this area here is kind of in the southern end of the Wilmus and Canta's master plan.

The Lomas and Cantabras Master Plan uh was originally adopted in 2004.

That road that you see kind of going east-west and then starts wrapping around that's Lincoln, so just a little to the south of where that intersection is, um, where those cross hatch lines are is uh kind of the the county complex that we just heard uh present um to talk about, and then we also have an inset here in the lower right-hand corner to highlight the area of the communal and cantadas park, also known as the green park.

Um you'll see in this uh the section of the Wilmers and Catas Master Plan again adopted in 2004, um a total of 4.9 acres across three different parcels in this red colored that came into the the with the master plan and the zone map amendment at that time as C1 zoning.

The lot, the private property, um the private property at the corner of communal Camino Banata and Camino Cantas is about 1.32 acres.

Um this lot, this private property lot uh was recently acquired um in the pre-development conversations uh with the the purchaser and the the agent um with staff, you know, very common when someone acquires property uh is looking at to acquire property, they'll go through you know, engage with the city and go through it.

I would describe as pre-development conversations, and that leads into our DRC process and ultimately items that come potentially before planning and zoning board, governing body, or into the building permit process.

Um staff and the the applicant um you know the the property owner started to look at the the those pre-development conversations interactions became very apparent that this corner um is access challenged.

It's the hard corner of Camino and Cantatas, which is a minor arterial, and Camino Banata, which is a minor collector.

The distances of 250 to 270 feet.

That was my quick measurement when GIS do not meet the required standard distances of our development process manual and the uh the SAM state access management manual that we use to establish the optimal distances or the you know the minimum requirements for access to road roadways.

The city follows and has a strong adherence to these spacing standards as it ultimately is the right thing to do.

It's what makes for the best, you know, the best thing for the the roadway and all and helps ensure better mobility and safety um for the the motoring public in many conditions also in many circumstances compliance with those uh access requirements is part of state and federal funding sources that's not applicable entirely at this case today, but could be in the future punchline there.

Um bottom line is it's not optimal to grant variances on the spacing and the distances.

We really really tried to avoid that.

Um sometimes it's not sometimes it's not avoidable, or you can't avoid it, um, but we we try not to.

Once uh staff and the applicant looked at those spacing requirements, realized that those are going to be tight, the conversation started, and you can kind of see this in the law of the second inset there about the access opportunities via cross access easement through this the city park pretty quickly.

Same conclusion, not ideal, creates conflict point between the development uh and the park, takes the park away from what its intended purposes, um, different types of traffic patterns, maybe different types of traffic driving styles and um and and things of that sort.

And so really, you know, then you know, again, so we got to the second potential access, and that was not looking good.

So, in subsequent conversations, uh the conversations morphed into the possibility of acquiring uh from the city this red area and box, which is about 0.56 acres, which is an undeveloped and underutilized portion of the park.

Um we have no plans to develop or improve the area in the in the future.

It's kind of a downward slope toward the banana arroyo.

The purpose of that potential acquisition, again, undeveloped, would allow for more optimal site developability, but provide by providing more spacing for access on Camino Banata insufficient space for appropriate parking needs for the future development, whatever that may be.

With that, uh Mr.

Mayor, members of the governing body, um, I will hand it over to the representatives from the potential buyer.

Good evening, Mayor and members of the governing body.

Um, my um clients are here, they are stuck in traffic.

They thought we were gonna be a little farther on the agenda, so I do apologize about that.

Um, but I will um thank you.

Um do you have my presentation ready to go?

Just a few, just three slides.

Um, while they're getting that ready, my name is Angela Parowski.

I'm the CEO and managing partner of modulus architects and land use planning.

Um so Mr.

Geisel is correct.

We have been working with the city staff for about eight months now, um, trying to um accommodate all of the requirements of the SAM and city standards.

Um, our clients are intending to do a very small project there.

They we um originally intended to do about 36 um apartment homes on the higher end scale with the park, a private park for the residents, the future residents, and then a small retail component on the first floor with a rooftop deck overlooking the mountains.

But when we incorporated all the requirements for fire marshal um access and then the SAM requirements for access, it became very apparent that the site, even though our project is very modest, um, just could not accommodate it it clearly could not accommodate the um the access.

Uh let me see if I can go to the next slide.

If you look at this slide, you can see that um this parcel, although it was zoned C1 as part of the master plan many years ago.

Um the Sam or the state access manual for the New Mexico Department of Transportation for an unsignalized intersection with speed limits posted of 35 wants the access at a minimum of 330 feet, which as you can see it happens to be exactly where the entrance to the dog park is, so that's not coincidental.

Um so the more that we analyze this project for safety primarily and foremost, um, we realized that we just could not get this project to work regardless of the size of the project, we could not get the access to work, and then we couldn't get the turning radiuses to work for fire.

So we met with the city to ask if the city would prefer if we do a variance or some type of a deviation, and that was not the preferred path forward.

So then the next discussion was um would the city city be willing to let us purchase the amount of the land needed to accommodate this development for the access.

Um it's not intended to be an increase in density, that's not the purpose.

It's simply to accommodate for the access.

Um and so if you look at where that red line is on either side of the roadway, that indicates what the state access management manual would want to see for access.

And so, in our new plan that we're working on that we'll be coming forward with in a in a few weeks or months, um, that is where we're showing that access.

But in order to have that access, um, we uh we also initially discussed with the city about doing an easement, perhaps, and that was not an option that was favorable either.

So the only other option would be to purchase this small portion of city-owned land to accommodate the access for our project.

Our project, although we're not entirely ready to present yet, we're still working through, is intended to be, as I said, it's a very small project of only between 30 and 60 units total.

It's a very high-end uh multifamily uh home uh apartment homes with the park.

Um, one of the things they're really proud of is the fact that they're doing um 200% more than what the city requires for open space.

Um and so this is just a glimpse of kind of the vision for the project.

And with that, I'm I'm hoping that my clients will be.

I I will share a little bit about them.

They are local, they had intended to give their own presentation.

They are both retired firefighters, lifetime firefighters in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

They now are business owners here in Rio Rancho.

They are developers and builders in Placidas right now, and this will be their first project in the city of Rio Rancho, although they do own a business here in Rio Rancho that that helps um elder people with disabilities.

So they are they are lifelong New Mexico residents.

Um so those will be the people the applicants coming forward with this project.

And with that, I would stand for any questions.

Okay, thank you very much.

Thank you, Mayor.

Can I get a motion?

I move to approve no.

Lost track.

R56.

Uh huh.

R56.

Sorry, I remember to approve R56.

Second.

Motion and a second.

Is there anyone anyone from the public signed up to speak?

No, Mr.

Mayor, there is not.

Is there any council discussion?

Mr.

Mayor.

Counselor Tyler.

Um, I know that they just mentioned and they showed a picture of more apartments, and that's exactly what I don't need in that area.

We have apartments, we have apartments that we just haven't even finished.

We're gonna increase the density on that corner that I think um that corner doesn't support the density as far as either the going in and out or the parking or just the ability for it to um function as a good partner.

So I don't think that the sale is a good idea.

Um I don't really support the project to begin with, so um, I'm not going to support it, and it's it's not going to be good for uh enchanted hills or the community.

So thank you.

Thank you, Counselor Tyler.

I'll remind the governing body that we are speaking about the sale of the property.

I realize that counselor Tyler's comments are specific to the end use, but that will be coming forward later on at a different request.

Any further discussion?

Mr.

Mayor, Councilmanist.

I don't know who would be the correct person to clarify my question, but um the need for uh this extension would be anybody trying to get into this space, correct?

Not just an apartment complex.

If there was retail there, if there is whatever, we would still need more room to be able to adequately be able to come in and off the street.

Is that correct?

Or is it purely based on the fact that it's an apartment complex?

Mr.

Mayor, Counselor List, that's let me show it to closing up.

Um so it's correct that what we're talking about is is any development would need uh to be able to to meet those access management um standards, have to have some additional property.

So should the developer take a different course and still continue to do retail or whatever, this is still a necessity for them to be able to move forward.

Uh from from what we have worked through as staff uh on different um options, we believe so, yes.

Excellent.

Thank you.

Thank you, Councilor List.

Mr.

Mayor, point of clarification.

Counselor Donantine.

So even though the applicant went kind of open the door towards the apartment complex, we want to stay just on the sale of the land.

Is that correct?

Correct.

And and I was going to clarify that too, and just mention that and Director Incone, correct me if I'm wrong, but at a future date, we will be given the opportunity to comment whether affirmative confirmed positively or negatively on the whatever request comes for the use on that site.

Mr.

Mayor, Councilor Landon Tyne, that's correct.

Uh one thing I do want to point out is that um the property is zone C1.

C1 does allow for multifamily use above the first floor.

Um so depending on what the development looks like, there is always the opportunity for um them not to actually have to come in for a zone map amendment.

They could actually go to building permit um if they decide to do uh commercial on that first floor.

Thank you.

You still have the floor, Councilor Lennon.

So if they were going forward with the plan they wanted to, they would also need to be they would also need a uh zone change.

Correct?

No, Mr.

Mayor, Councillor Lennon Tyne.

If they are putting apartments on the first floor, um then yes, they would need to come in for a zone map amendment.

Right.

Okay.

All right.

Thanks.

Thank you, Councilor Lennon Tyne.

Good.

Can you answer my question?

Any further discussion hearing none, call the roll.

Thank you, sir.

Counselor Colbrith.

Yes.

Counselor Lennon?

No.

Counselor List.

Yes.

Counselor Taylor.

No.

Councillor Dabson?

Yes.

And Mayor Weimer.

Yes.

Okay.

The item is approved.

All right.

Congratulations.

Let's move on to item 24 D40, advice and consent of the governing body to award the Western Hills Drive Reconstruction Project to TLC Company Inc.

Director Gottlieb.

Uh good evening, Mr.

Mayor Counselors.

I am indeed here seeking advice and consent on the award of the Western Hills Drive Reconstruction Project to TLC Company in the amount of $2,340,943.55 cents, which includes the Mexico Grocery Seat taxes.

This project is another one of those projects funded by Transportation Project Fund Grant from the NMDOT.

We also have city general funds and utility department sources on this project.

This project consists of full-depth replacement of the roadway, uh construction of new sidewalk to connect existing pathways along Western Hills Drive, the patch and seal of Toulam Road and Melia Roads, which are off of Western Hills Drive, the installation of three new fire hydrants for the utility department, and improvements to existing ADA uh ramps.

It is anticipated this project would begin to construction in September and would last six months to complete.

So with that, I'll stand for any questions you may have.

Thank you, Director Crowley.

Can I get a motion?

I move to approve T40.

Second.

Motions and seconds are hard to come by this evening.

Thank you.

Anyone from the public signed up to speak?

No, sir.

There is not.

Any counselor discussion.

Seeing and hearing none.

Call the roll.

Thank you.

Counselor Tyler.

Yes.

Counselor Colbrith.

Yes.

Counselor Lindentine?

Yes.

Counselor List.

Yes.

Mayor Weimer?

Yes.

Counselor Dabson.

Yes.

Thank you.

D40 is approved.

All right.

That's good news.

We need that.

We need that room fixed.

We've got a lot of complaints about the moving on to item 25 D41 and advice and consent of the governing body to award a contract for Loma, Colorado Boulevard extension design to NV5 Inc.

Director Gottlieb.

Thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

Counselors, I am again seeking advice and consent on that award of the Loma Colorado Boulevard Extension Design Project between Broadmore and Chessman to NV5 Inc.

in the amount of $1,981,694.15 cents, which includes NMGRTs.

During the project, our engineer will map the needed right-of-way.

We'll analyze the design of the appropriate royal crossing structure, design signal improvements for that leg of the of the roadway, and include in lighting improvements.

We will also design a new roundabout at the intersection of Loma, Colorado and Chessman Drive.

This project will also eliminate the need for a signal at Chessman Drive in Broadmore, which is currently needed now.

Um, but is not uh recommended due to signal spacing with High Resort Boulevard and Loma Colorado.

Uh we anticipate this project to also begin in September of this year and take approximately two to two and a half years to complete.

So with that, I'll stand for any questions you may have.

Thank you, Director Gartley.

Can I get a motion?

Second.

Thank you, Councillor List.

I've got a motion and a second.

Is there any anyone from the public signed up?

No, sir.

There is not.

All right, Councilor Discussion.

We're easy tonight.

Call the role.

Thank you.

Counselor Dabson.

Yes.

Counselor List.

Yes.

Counselor Lyndon Time.

Yes.

Counselor Colbrant.

Yes.

Councilor Tyler.

Yes.

Mayor Weimer?

Yes.

Thank you.

D41 is approved.

All right.

We're moving through this agenda pretty quick.

We're on item 26 R 57 resolution adopting the fiscal year 2027 final budget.

Director Yara.

Good evening, Mr.

Mayor and members of the governing body.

Resolution R 57 is for the adoption of the final budget for fiscal year 27.

This final budget is required to be submitted to the New Mexico Department of Finance and Administrative Services by the end of this month, July 31st.

Changes that have been made from the interim budget that this body approved on May 28th include recognizing the actual ending cash position for FY26 after we uh close the year and um balanced everything between all of our funds.

Um also includes roll forward of encumbrances and project balances from last year that are still valid and needed uh to pay vendors in fiscal year 27.

Um it also includes other minor changes as proposed by city manager Geisel.

Um due to inflationary factors, um lower than anticipated expenditure savings in the last months of last fiscal year, fiscal year 26.

Um it was necessary for us to defer a couple of city hall renovation project and uh improvement projects so that we can make up that balance as well.

We have modified the scope and reduced the associated funding related to the Tulip Road design uh project design changes proposed by city manager um include an increase of about $381,000 for ASME union and other non-union position reclassifications and longevity pay enhancements with these changes.

Um of course we are are still maintaining our structural balance that is required, and we have uh also maintained the 25% reserve uh in the general fund through the five-year plan period.

Um and I will stand for any questions.

Thank you.

Thank you, Director Yara.

Can you get a motion?

Motion to approve R57.

Second.

The motion and a second.

Is there anyone from the public signed up to speak?

No, sir.

There is not.

Any counselor discussion hearing none.

Um counselor or uh director Yara, thank you and your team for all your hard work on this, and I appreciate the the group effort to try to trim trim some money back so we could get back in line with the budget.

So that worked out well.

Unfortunately, we we had to cut some things out that we really wanted and I think still need, but we'll move on to that in another fiscal year.

So thank you.

No additional comment, call the roll.

Thank you.

Councilor Lennon time?

Yes, Councillor Dabson, yes, Counselor Tyler.

Yes.

Counselor List, yes, Councillor Colbreth.

Yes.

And Mayor Weimer.

Yes.

Thank you.

R57 is approved.

All right.

Next item, item 27, R58, resolution amending personnel policies and work rules.

Director Martinez.

Microphone's not on.

Can you hear me now?

All right.

Good evening, Mr.

Mayor and members of the governing body.

Loyola Martinez, Human Resources Director.

Before you tonight is item R 58, a resolution to amend the city's personnel policies and work rules.

As background in the months leading up to the fiscal year 2027, the city engaged in annual pay negotiations with all three bargaining units.

With collective bargaining now concluded, corresponding updates to the public employees retirement association or para enhancement pay provisions within the personnel policies and work rules are also recommended to ensure non-union employees receive an adjustments consistent with those recently negotiated with AFSME.

Specifically, the proposed amendments uh revise the parent enhancement pay for non-union employees by adding a new tier for employees with five to nine years of continuous service and increase the pay amounts for the existing 10, 15, and 20 year tiers.

Additionally, changes extend uh the enhancement pay benefit to non-union communications management personnel, aligning them with their bargaining unit counterparts.

The estimated FY27 cost is uh 48,648 dollars, uh which was included in the final budget presentation uh just presented and approved by the governing body tonight.

The effective date of these changes is August 10th, 2026, aligning with the effective dates of similar APSME benefit updates.

Uh staff recommends approval of this resolution, and I will stand for any questions.

Thank you, Director Martinez.

Can I get a motion?

Motion to prove R 58.

Second.

No, sir, there is not.

Any counselor discussion?

No.

Hearing and seeing none, call the roll.

Thank you.

Councilor Dabson.

Yes.

Counselor List.

Yes.

Mayor Weimer?

Yes.

Councillor Tyler.

Yes.

Counselor Lennon Time.

Yes.

Counselor Colbreth.

Yes.

Thank you.

R58 is approved.

Thank you.

All right.

Item 28 D42, appointment of David Mann as District 4 City Councillor.

This is my item, and I'm moving forward with recommending that we replace my seat with David Mann, who has applied and gone through a rigorous application and interview process.

I know I I did have some assistance from a couple of the counselors, including Deputy Deputy Mayor Colbreth.

So with that, I I want to move him forward, and I'd like to be happy to answer questions.

But at this point, can I get a motion?

I move to approve this item.

Oh, she said she moved to approve the item.

Oh, second.

Wow, I thought it was going to die without a second.

All right.

Is there any anyone from the public signed up to speak?

No, sir, there is not.

Any counselor discussion.

Mr.

Mayor, I'm not sure.

Counselor List.

Um, I had the opportunity to review the resume of Mr.

Mann.

I also had the opportunity to sit and um chat with him for a couple hours over coffee and talk about some things.

Um, he is employed by the school district, and so we did have some things in common.

We had some conversations to be had about how their um a separate entities.

I think it's very important that people know in my three years of service here.

I've had to recuse myself a total of two times, um, and it was not necessarily uh for any reason other than it just felt right.

Um so I I think that anybody that hasn't an issue with a conflict, I think it does not exist, and I think that I am very very excited about the character of the man that I got to sit down and meet with, and I think that as a resident of Rio Rancho, I would want someone to sit here that represents um the values of the majority of our community and someone that is going to make honest earnest decisions, someone that doesn't have preconceived notions, and someone that um is genuine in their commitment to the city, and so I feel really confident that this individual um is a very good fit for this position.

And so I feel really confident that this individual um is a very good fit for this position.

I also believe that our mayor had the opportunity to review multiple applicants and sit through multiple interviews, and if this is the applicant that he felt was the best fit, and this applicant seems to have all the qualities and characteristics of an upstanding um representative of our community.

Um I cannot say that there is anything that would concern me, and I am very, very hopeful and excited that you will be able to serve the residents of District 4.

Thank you, Councillor List.

Mr.

Mayor, Mr.

Mayor.

Okay, Councilor Debson.

Um I also got the opportunity to sit with with this applicant, and I can pretty much echo everything or most of everything that um counselor list said.

I was very impressed with this with the applicant, and I really do feel like he would fit well with our governing body.

Thanks.

Thank you, Councillor Debson.

Mr.

Mayor.

Counselor Tyler, I was wondering.

I think Councillor Cobra had asked for the floor first.

Okay.

Thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

Um, I had the opportunity to uh meet with Mr.

Mann.

Um, and uh was very impressed both by his resume but also um by his dedication and service to this um to his community.

Uh there are many individuals who will step up to um fill an elected position because they want to have uh the seat of um an elective position for whatever um grander they think that that might uh give them, but then there are those who step up to serve the community.

Um and we would find them serving the community in any capacity.

This just would happen to be one of them.

Um and I find Mr.

Mann to be uh somebody who is the latter, somebody who uh is one that would be found serving the community in many different ways.

Um and I look forward to uh being able to work with him uh pending the vote of this governing body um in our service to the community and the citizens of Rio Rancho.

Thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

Thanks.

Thank you, Councillor Cobra.

Counselor Tyler, Mr.

Mayor, uh Counselor Tyler asked for the floor.

Okay, Councillor Lennon.

Go ahead.

Go ahead, Councillor Lennon could go ahead.

Councillor Lennon Time.

Okay, thanks.

Uh so these votes are tough, and part of the reason is obviously that the individual, you know, is here and and such, and so I want to just from the outset just kind of separate uh one thing, and that is obviously I'm not calling into question at all whether this person is capable of it or whether the person uh would you know is is a good member versus of our city uh or what have you, and so kind of just putting those two things aside.

What I want to focus on is just um the conflicts that would I believe would come up as my main concern.

I have a couple of concerns, but is my main concern.

Um we all have conflicts uh because we all work uh for entities, obviously, outside of uh doing this on the city council.

Um counselor List alluded to this um in the seven years that I've been here, I have had to recuse myself uh one time for something, so I get it.

We all work, we all are in the community of some capacity outside of our time, very limited time up here in front of everybody throughout the course um of a year.

Uh our RPS obviously is interesting because it operates inside our city, and so it uses our roads, uses facilities.

Um, you know, we have we have their security officers on our our payroll, different things like that.

However, it's answerable to the state, and so there are times where uh we come up, you know, uh as kind of uh viewing things separately or opposed and things like that.

So I don't want to focus on is just kind of the levels of conflicts that someone might have based on where they're working at an organization, and then not all levels of conflict are equal.

Um counselor list talked about how many times she would have she's had to recuse herself over the course of of being on the council, and again, I understand the position that we're in here.

There's three of us that have been appointed to where we're at, and and I was one of those, and so I'm not just against um appointments and I voted yes on all appointments uh in the past, but uh when you work kind of so close and in legal and with the top-tier uh kind of leadership of that organization, a very important organization, then obviously you're working over here with us uh in leadership and close to the fourth floor and all of the decisions that happen.

I just think it's really impossible and it's actually difficult to put someone in the position of saying, okay, well, I know this is gonna be a conflict, so I can't be part of this conversation.

I would remove myself from that or from the city side, and we're talking about something in regards to Rio Rancho Public Schools.

I'm gonna remove myself from that conversation.

Um, I just I I think that that would be just impossible to do to have to turn off uh all your level of conflicts and all the things that you need to think about uh back and forth.

I think that the nominee did recognize this conflict personally, and and so I don't think that that it's going to be a conflict of interest in the future is not really an open question.

We're just talking about how much of a level of conflict.

And so I just think that um I mean, obviously, the work that he's doing the community is amazing.

I just think that the position that he finds himself fully employed in is just going to bump up too often against some uh maybe opposing needs of the city or things that we need to talk about in regards to the school.

We have a great relationship with RPS um now, and things you know are good.

When I first started in the city council, we were kind of uh bumping up against them on several issues throughout my first uh three years that we're here.

And so it ebbs and flows, and they need to open up new schools and different things like that.

And so um there are certain levels of conflict, and I would just there are conflicts that happen, and I just think that not all conflicts are created equal.

And so, because of that, um, you know, liking the person very much, I just think that the position he finds himself in um would uh you know that that would come up more often probably than it should, and recusals would need to happen.

I think uh Mr.

Mayor, when you first came with the city council, the position that you're coming from, there was several situations or many situations where you needed to recuse yourself, and then you took care of that by moving moving employment.

And so um I I while we all have conflicts again, I just think that there are certain uh jobs and roles that people can hold that would put them in line, though no fault of their own, to just be in the in the area of having more of a conflict, uh, particularly again with an entity that operates so heavily inside our city, but is not answerable to our city, they're actually answerable to the state as far as their funding and their leadership and everything.

And so um that's kind of you know a couple of my concerns, and um I'll yield the floor for now.

Thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

Thank you, Councilor Lennantine, Counselor Tyler.

Yeah, thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

I have some of the same concerns as uh counselor Lenantine has.

Um, like counselor the list said, the conflicts, I understand the conflicts, but when you're the general counsel for the school district sitting within the city, you're gonna have conflicts both with the city and there's gonna be things that you're gonna have to remove yourself from uh in your employment as well.

You're not gonna be able to be party to some of some of those.

I find that difficult for him to be able to do, being that he's the general counsel, and I get it, he answers to uh Lauren Hatch, who's no longer the leak or the the counselor, he's now in that role as general counsel.

So the role he is, it's not just uh no, not just it's it's not a volunteer position at the school district, not a coaching position in the district, not a teaching position at the district.

He is the lead counsel for real rancho public schools, which in and itself creates conflict for him, whether it come from our side or the other side.

That's part of my concerns.

In addition, you know, I had time to interview Mr.

Mann with you, Mr.

Mayor, and I appreciate you allowing me to be part of that process.

But in those interviews, I was very specific and asked about these conflicts.

And he acknowledged that there could potentially be some.

And then later on, he sent an email saying that he's going to remove himself from the process.

So now he's back in the process.

So my he knows, or else we wouldn't have received one email saying he has a conflict, and he knows he has a conflict, and he uh and he told us to go ahead with the process without him, and now he's back in the process.

So that's part of my concern is is that he knows and has acknowledged in writing that there is conflict, or it could potentially be conflict.

The other part is is when you're sending me one email saying that you're you know you want to be in this process, then you send me another email asking to be out of the process, then you send another email being back in the process as a city counselor.

You can't be wishy-washy like that.

You you have to make a decision, one way or the other.

And so those those things concern me.

Mr.

Mann is very credible person.

He it uh, like the other counselor said, he's very upstanding.

He he's providing a great service to both the school district and has provided great service to uh Sanibel County as a whole.

Um, I think that those are my concerns, and I think we need to really seriously consider that.

If this was an appointment uh of a person who didn't have the conflicts like that, it would make it a lot easier.

But with those conflicts, I find it hard for a group of us, five of us, to sit here and say, Yes, we should uh appoint this person who we know legitimately has conflicts, and then turn around.

If he was elected by his uh constituents in district four, and his constituents knew that he had this conflict, and they still elected him, hey, then that's great.

They know it going forward, but they don't have a voice in this.

We're the voice.

So we need to we need to look at those and make sure that we we assess those and judge those uh accurately and appropriately.

Thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

Thank you.

Thank you, Council.

Counselor Tyler.

Any further discussion?

Mr.

Mayor, Councilor Danatine.

Just to add one thing.

It for me, what would what is kind of difficult too is it seems like it'd be hard for me to imagine a world in which if the nominee recognizes there's a conflict and so he removed himself from the process, it seems to me like there must have been some reaching out from leadership to say, hey, no, please come back into the process.

And for me, that that that just doesn't sit well with me.

Um, and so that you know, just to point that out, I I do think that that's something that um maybe we that I think we probably overstepped in.

But uh just to add that and and to um kind of second to what counselor Tyler was saying about um some conflicts, and again, this is different between as Counselor Tyler said, getting nominated is one thing running in an election, which anyone can do over 18 as a resident of the city.

I understand that.

And so um as a nomination, this is some of the issues that I take.

And so thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

That's all I have.

Thank you, Councilor Denatine.

I would just add, if we're concerned about the letter of withdrawal and then coming back into the process, I think that happens probably on a regular basis with just about or with certainly with many applicants that the city hires or any other organization hires.

Someone applies for a job, they get interviewed, they get offered the job, they think twice about it, something comes up, they choose to withdraw.

And then something changes in their life and they come back and they say, Hey, is that position still on the table?

I'd like to be reconsidered.

I consider this very similar to that type of a situation where we are essentially employing a city staff person, although it's not a staff person, it's a counselor in this case.

He he thought about it, he thought, well, maybe I should reconsider.

He reconsidered, and then he came back to the process.

I think this is pretty normal.

I think this happens on a regular basis, and for that reason, I don't have any concern over that concern.

I do appreciate you bringing that up, Councilor Lennon Time, and also Councilor Tyler, I appreciate that.

Anything further, Mr.

Mayor, Counselor Tyner.

Yeah, I I understand that, but I know that how people can go out of the process and back in the process.

But when you're a decision maker and coming into city council, you should you should know that you want to be a city council.

There shouldn't be a second guess in it.

And after the discussion and after second thoughts, he knew that there was conflict.

He wrote it down as such, and to me, this isn't just like a normal job interview.

This is a city councilor.

And so I I understand what you're saying, and I I do appreciate that, and I do know that that happens.

But in this particular case, this is not just a job interview.

This is a city councilor.

Thank you.

Thank you, Counselor Tyler.

Mr.

Mayor.

Councilor Colbrand.

Thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

Um, I certainly appreciate an individual who thinks um, you know, who takes thoughtful consideration for any position that they may hold.

Um, and um can also appreciate that Mr.

Mann is considering uh the best interests of the city um and uh any potential needs uh or any potential conflicts that that may arise.

Um I believe what we find if we even just look back at uh previous agendas um to identify times and spaces in which there would be conflicts, we find uh that there are very few um as has already been discussed.

Um and in seeing that there's unlikely to be many going forward, um, I think that that this is an important opportunity to consider somebody who is uh a beneficial member of our community, um, who is thoughtful, um, who certainly seems to be taking the best interests of the community at heart.

Um, and so I um I find I find Mr.

Mann's uh nomination to continue to be um a strong nomination um and believe that should any conflicts of interest arise for uh for him as occurs for any member of the governing body, uh they would recuse themselves.

Um and so I don't I don't find any difference in this issue around conflict as we're afraid.

Are you are you did you yielding the floor, Counselor Culbreth?

I didn't hear okay, thank you.

Thank you.

Any further discussion, Mr.

Mayor?

Councilor Nist.

I think it's also fair to say that as somebody that was, I think the most recent appointment to the council, um, it is an overwhelming experience to come in and to be filling a spot and to have to go through the interview process and to have information put before you and to reconsider what that looks like.

Um and so I think to realize, hey, there's something I need to check, and then to go back and check and be like, no, yes, I can work through this and I can make this happen.

Um, I feel like that is much more the situation and how it happened.

I feel like in my conversation with Mr.

Mann, we were able to specifically talk about what does this look like.

Um, and I I think that we need to remember there are a lot of accountability components as well.

Number one, there's just personal integrity, and if you have it, you're gonna do your very best to do the right thing.

But also there are additional legal personnel on both sides of the coin.

And so if there are conflicts or um presumed conflicts in advance, generally there is somebody else watching.

And so sometimes we just have to realize that there are um individuals that are are willing to come and do this job that are gonna represent people, and I think that that's an important factor is that he has the ability to represent the people of District Four.

Thank you, Councilor List.

Any further discussion?

Hearing none, call the roll.

Thank you, sir.

Counselor Dabson?

Yes.

Counselor List.

Yes, Councilor Tyler.

No.

Councilor Colbreth?

Yes.

Counselor Lynn Tyne?

No.

And Mayor Weimer.

Yes.

Thank you.

Mr.

Mann is has been appointed.

Congratulations.

Congratulations.

Soon to be counselor.

Mr.

City Manager.

Mr.

Mayor, members of the governing body.

Um I do not have anything for this evening.

Thank you very much.

I do not have anything.

Wait, wait, what was that?

I do not have anything to share for a city manager's report.

That's unheard of.

That's an is there a soccer game on or something tonight?

Soccer's over.

Oh, yeah, soccer's over.

All right.

Well, that adjourns this meeting for those of you wishing to stick around afterwards.

We're going to be having a swearing in ceremony for Mr.

David Mann.