Good afternoon.

Thank you all for coming.

So we're going to start off with our roll call.

And we'll start with you, Mark, and go around.

Clark Fieldback, fourth order.

Marty Cormac, Ward 1.

Cindy Morgan, ward three.

Rebecca Coolens Ward Five.

Next item is there.

Any changes?

Well, we got the approval of the minutes first.

Thank you.

No questions.

Seeing none, all in favor say aye.

Aye.

Motion passed unanimously.

We've got our order of agenda next.

Anybody have any potential changes to the order?

No concerns.

Have a motion, please.

Motion.

Becky, is there a second?

Second.

All favor say aye.

Aye.

Pass unanimously.

The next uh thing we have on our agenda is the open comment period.

I'll tell you what the guidelines are for that.

Uh we have an open comment period that's limited to 20 minutes.

Each speaker may speak up to two minutes until the 20-minute period is exhausted.

Speaker, they only speak at one open comment period per calendar month.

Speakers may not yield time to another speaker.

Uh the generally speaking, the board does not respond or uh try and discuss the matter that is brought up in open comments because it's just coming to us for the first time.

And usually if there's things we need to get back to it, either a uh believe they'll send out a writer response from the staff or else we'll send up a meeting.

So today is just the time to comment, and there'll be no uh discussion by the board on the topic.

That's the way we've done it in the council doesn't essentially the same way.

Um so with that, we have nine people on our uh agenda for open comment, and we'll go down in order.

Uh Jan Bronson, you're the first.

Will you have two minutes, Jan?

Sure.

Okay.

Um my name is Jan Tron.

I live in the city of Rochester on my life.

What took place down at one of our parks on the 31st of January of this year was the most disrespectful thing I've ever seen.

Uh permit was put in to be at the park on Soldiers Field.

They ended up at Soldier Field Memorial.

I'm a 27-plus year veteran of law enforcement.

I've worked at the morrow uh also law enforcement moral.

They were protesting on the memorial.

That is not a site, any of our memorials is not a site to protest yet.

We were carrying other nation flags up there, flying the American flag upside down.

I fly respect this country, and that's not the place to do it.

I spoke before the city council the other night saying how disrespectful for this was.

I'm also uh part of the bell of mark for the last 13 years I've traveled the nation recognizing the fallen veterans, law enforcement, and uh firefighters that have lost their lives in the service of our country.

It is not a place to do that, and I would ask the park board for the future things is in any permit that is issued for any of our parks, the memorial, whether it be the uh firefighters all over there at Silver Lake, the law enforcement memorial or soldier field memorial, those drones to me are sacred for the people that give their life to this country, not a place to protest and fly a flag upside down and chant things against the United States.

People give their life, their names are on the wall.

When I attended the city council meeting the other night, I was totally ashamed of our city.

The comment to the people when I was talking up there screaming and yelling at the back, and the guy got up at the microphone and told me to go blank myself and go blank the memorial.

He said he didn't like more.

I don't care about the moral or anything else.

So I'm asking the park board to put a thing in that they cannot protest.

Again, I feel that soldier field pays, uh memorial page for the park department, take care of it.

It's kind of a private type thing that was built.

It's not you know, we just put in the Southeast Law Enforcement Memorial down there.

It'll be there next.

The next thing they'll be tagging and defaming it.

Uh again, I thank you for listening tonight, but I appreciate you going before the city council and putting something in that they cannot protest on these sites.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Uh the next speaker is Ruth Benoit.

Yes, Ruth Ben.

And I'm uh President of Rochester too.

And I hear actually in support of what Chan said too.

I really believe that the park board could help uh get something, maybe even on the permit when people come down that those places are off Lemonstills, several areas, because there's plenty of other locations where you can protest and do your thing, but we want to be very respectful of the actual memorial sites, and I would really like to see something done about that so we can protect those.

Thank you.

Thank you, Ruth.

I'm Fred Mork, um, the East Side Neighborhood Association board member.

Good to be here with City Park board meeting regarding not implementing or postponing west and south side proposed perimeter concrete sidewalks for the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr.

Park.

Number one, not implementing the proposed west and south side perimeter, five-foot wide concrete sidewalks would preserve and protect the much appreciated unique rose and groves, especially of our lofty evergreen trees if the park board accessibility and connectivity guidelines and policies are flexibly interpreted.

Number two, it is also reasonable to consider whether the 3,000, I mean 3 million, 3 million overall budget will be used up in implementing well the many planned enhancements on the northeast section of our park.

If so, there would be significant financial reasons not to implement the wet side proposed sidewalk.

Number three, postponing concrete sidewalk construction could be considered in light of future upgrading of 15th Avenue and 2nd Street Southeast and removal of the power polls with hazardous guy wired along the west and south side of our park.

I'm also providing for you at this meeting a supporting document affirming current connectivity and accessibility of the Reverend Martin or King of Reader Park.

Thank you for your consideration on these matters.

And I brought enough copies to kindness to take one, and if anybody else would like on that as well from the table.

All right, I have documentation that I would like to share with the board also.

And if you would happy, I am here also to speak on the uh uh supposed enhancements to the Reverend Dr.

Martin Luther King Junior Park.

The proposed enhancements include adding a five-foot sidewalk, concrete sidewalk to the west side of the park along 15th Avenue and south side of the park along 2nd Street.

I've read the Rochester Parks and Recreation System Plan and reviewed the proposed changes to MLK Junior Park.

My interpretation of the potential impact to existing park trees indicates the implementation of the sidewalk will increase the encroach on the safe zone of more than 50 mature trees.

The system plan provides guidelines to implement during renovations to existing parts.

Application of these guidelines of MLK Junior Park has the potential of impacts the key feature which makes the park unique.

If the shade and match leaves trees is lost due to the proposed sidewalk along 15th Avenue and 2nd Street, it will not be easily replaced, which is directly in counter to the guidelines intent.

I'm here to encourage the park board to consider removing the proposed sidewalks from the plan or postponing their implementation.

I'm providing additional documentations that is attached regarding the budget and calculations on safe zones for the preservations of trees.

Thank you very much for your time.

Thank you, Glenn.

The next speaker is Gil Strand.

Good afternoon.

I'm studying a Rochester residence since 1965.

I I recall as a young JC being at a coffee in the Zumbrill Hotel Cafeteria when the project for the memorial was birthed with Wayne Stilman, particularly another Wayne Arnold, Dick Bremer, a few other people back my younger days.

But it was taught then and it became reality a number of years later, and it it is in a memorial that demands respect and honor.

It's close to a park, and parks are meant for recreation.

But I would ask that the park board uh submit to the city council that maybe some kind of a uh an ordinance we passed or some kind of a standard plaque put there uh prohibiting uh political demonstrations of that nature of a protesting nature uh take place at a place that's supposed to be honored and respected.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Um next speaker is John Mats.

Hi, John Matske.

Um I'm here in support of Jan's proposal there that we something to the city that is something about this.

Thank you.

Okay.

Next speaker is Tom Debore.

Tom Good evening, my name's Tom Debore.

I've been a resident of Rochester for over 50 years, been an avid golfer for well over 47 years.

Uh, one thing I'd like to share with you is the good news that you're going to talk about tonight in the overall golf report.

Uh, we've had a very good year in the last two years with improvements.

I'm giving you a handout.

I'm not gonna go through any of it other than to say the reason we've been able to do those improvements is that we significantly increase the rates, and you get that sheet column M shows five-year increase on passes with 57%.

But the good news in column B is they only went up 2.6 percent.

So a lot of good news on all that.

I certainly thank Mr.

Whitman, Mr.

Gorman, and all the staff for the efforts they did because when we move forward in golfers and life on this, and we knew the rates were gonna go up, it went through reasonably without a big flap, and we were promised we're gonna see improvements and thank you folks again for everything you and your you've done to make the courses much better.

I have only one little minor concern if you look at the back of that page.

One thing I did notice this year is the golf at Soldiers Field did decrease by 15.5 percent.

There's possibly uh one main reason of that.

Uh the bottom of this, I shared some notes I made in 2022.

I expressed a concern that when we built that big pool, we're gonna be short of parking.

It has got to that point.

And what you gotta remember, I'm I'm a senior citizen.

A golf bate where it weighs between anywhere between 30 and 36 pounds.

So you've got to find a place to park, drag that bag all the way up.

Soldiers did not have a good golf area.

The other thing that may have exasperated this problem with the parking this year is the fact that Silver Lake Pool was closed last year.

I hope that that's gonna open and we'll keep an eye on this.

All I'm saying, let's keep an eye on this.

Soldiers is the place for senior golfers.

I put in over 100 rounds a year.

My wife puts in about 110 rounds a year.

70 percent of my rounds are at soldiers, 60 percent of her rounds are uh at soldiers.

The other reason she goes out to northern, she's in leak.

So, other than that, thank you, staff.

Good report to look at.

Okay, next piece.

Speaker Jim has Marzenski.

Yes.

Thanks, Mark Burke, for having us here today.

Uh, I want to speak in support of Jan Throwston.

Uh I think the uh the soldiers memorial is uh someplace that is there to respect our law enforcement or military and it should be used that way only to bring the community together to celebrate their uh what they've sacrificed these people for our freedoms.

I don't believe it should be a staging area for um I'm gonna say it anarchical type groups to form and to be present on because what I feel is gonna happen with the contentious atmosphere in the country right now.

Um it could it's a it's a situation where it is a totally exclusive group, and if anybody outside of that group even gets anywhere in their perimeter, um it it can become violent.

And I'm afraid that if we continue to allow these people to stage there like this, um you know, we're we're we're not respecting that area the way it's supposed to be, and we could be opening up ourselves up to uh problems down the road.

So I'm in favor of leaving that place as an area where only inclusive groups like police, military can get together and honor their people.

But I uh I suggest that we close it to political grandstanding.

Thank you.

And our last speaker is Shave Paul.

Probably have that wrong.

Uh 49 27 4th Street.

Nobody here by that name.

Okay.

Well, uh, thank you for coming.

Uh, some of us will have to get back to people on.

Uh, but we appreciate your input and thank you for coming for the people uh here to talk about uh MLP park.

There'll be some information on the agenda about that.

You may want to say about that, but thank you all for coming, and then we'll move on to the rest of our agenda.

Thank you.

Okay.

Our next item or on the agenda is the approval of the minutes for your January 6th 2026 meeting.

Are there any questions or corrections?

Yeah, yeah, pardon me.

Okay, we're uh we're down under 5A, departure monthly reports.

Are there any questions on any of the monthly reports hearing none?

Uh we're just receiving and we're filing these, so we'll do that.

Uh our next item, we have no old business or monthly approval of the bills.

Anyone has any questions on your business or follow you any comments on anything in them?

Uh no, uh nothing, no surprises there.

We'll discuss a few financial things in uh later on.

Okay.

Um there's no other questions on it.

Is there a motion to approve the bill that's presented?

Move approval.

Marty, second, Marty, all agree to say aye.

Aye, fast.

Okay, moving on to item 7B, which is a park and rec financial performance year to date.

Obviously, there hasn't been many months yet, so this information will grow as the year goes on.

Uh anybody have any questions on the financial performance uh sheet that you had work on this being none, we'll receive and file that report.

Uh the next items are our consent agenda items, and we've got 8A through 8.

Are there any items that board members want to put for a further discussion?

Okay.

Uh any other items that any of the board members want to vote for a question or discussion.

8A.

Uh any other items.

Seeing none, is there a motion to approve A B C D and E?

G and G, excuse me.

All things second.

Chad, all in favor say aye.

Aye.

Approved.

Okay.

With that, we'll go back to item 8A.

And do you have a question on that?

Well I just um okay.

Um I guess my my question for for tall grass and weeds, are we still doing the concept of no moi?

That's no throughout the summer and it's um uh small summer, I guess.

Okay, uh yes, we are so okay.

Um I guess my question is over the the years that kind of make things, and then obviously maybe flow bow and then do us with from NOMO to I don't know, but yeah.

Um but I take my kids to parks.

There's a lot of thorny weed.

Sometimes there's a lot of ease, things like that.

I feel like maybe we have some kind of just have people call the park and say, hey, this part needs the grass mode.

Like could we maybe put a sticker or a plaque or something so that people can easily find that in the parks?

Well, uh, as far as mowing, uh we uh we are within the guidelines ever any issues with some something that's a safety hazard.

We get those calls all the time.

We respond to them.

Uh it's usually uh uh playground equipment, uh print pads or something like that.

It's it's almost nearly the same day.

Uh and uh so that is um uh I do believe we do have signs in some of the parks uh with with our phone number.

This is more about individual line originally.

Uh no, it's uh I I understood it to be in in our parks, uh issue that was for did I misunderstand the that's for enforcement when they get to overgrowth.

Ah, I thought you were comparing it to our own standards, so I'm sorry if I had side tracking.

That's why I correct.

Is there any other questions on that?

Yeah, not is there a motion to approve eight eight?

Um Marty, second, all favors add.

All right.

Then we have item 8F.

I think Martin.

You had a question?

Yeah.

A couple of concerns on that.

Uh my first concern is when I've been down to the rec center, it almost looks like this has already been implemented.

And so the question is if it's already been implemented, why is it coming to us after the fact?

Yep, I can answer that.

So our other contracts, like on the Zamboni, those types of things, those are annual renewals.

This one that there's kind of two tiers.

There's a tier of a micro contract that can just go through the process for a signature and become um signed by all parties and enact the contract.

And so our staff thought that we could just proceed through that same process with this contract, but this is uh making a commitment with the city for multiple years, which triggers it not being eligible for a micro contract.

So it needed to come before the park board um body.

So once that was all brought to light, we got it loaded into the agenda to bring forward today.

Okay, and but my bigger concern is the precedent of naming rights on any of our facilities.

Are there any other facilities that have corporate naming rights?

Um in partnership with the county, there are at Graham Arena, two of the ranks there are named with corporate, but those are that's under the jurisdiction of the um county and not us, right?

Yes, we have an agreement with the county that coordinates that where we've given them we've kind of signed off that the county is in charge of that particular component, but with us managing the facility, I think it was a joint decision to move forward with that.

I mean, if it's sorry, I don't mean to interrupt that my understanding is that this um proposal fits within the naming rights policy that's been adopted previously by the park board, and it's an opportunity that we can put some investment back into the facility.

Um, so we we see it as a beneficial uh agreement with our sponsor here.

I'm not aware of the prior agreement is probably before my time.

Okay, this is before my I remember it some things being discussed where we were actually wanting more promotion of this and even highlighting other field houses and stuff that have provided naming rights as just a diversification of revenues in general, and I mean we've got I mean Crammarina has gambling too.

I mean, there's lottery money that goes into that.

So I mean that's another can you at least that's what I thought I thought there was some maybe I'm then some looking at me funny.

Um can you well that's not uh I guess just that's not on the city's behalf, right?

That's Rochester Utah that has their that might be operations.

So what is the threshold for like a mic, you know, Zamboni sponsorship doesn't meet that you said malt that year?

Is there a dollar threshold that also there is it's $50,000?

So this normally would be under it, but it hit the malt that year correct mistake was made.

How many how many months is $13,500?

It's the charge items for the naming rights, yeah.

That's per year per year.

Yeah, okay.

I'm not familiar with uh the ordinance, but is it just physical objects or the park in general?

If somebody wanted to go out and say, I want to name this park after my business, I can do that if I do remember it because I don't any of the parameters that are with that as to what can you name and what can you not?

Maybe Paul can help me out a little bit here, but in the past precedent has been more amenities, um, like within a park, we named one in the memorial of an individual for the warming house that's at Alendale Park.

There's been a few other things, but a park specifically, or the name of a facility has I don't think there's been that precedent set, especially with being a corporate sponsor.

They've been named after people or locations within the city policy.

Yeah, the the uh policies that we're referencing here, there are two uh one report uh back in I believe it was 2017 when East Park was uh being considered to be renamed uh in LK Park, and that uh um we realized we didn't have a policy, so we uh compared other municipalities and uh came up with uh policy just to guide the process.

Yeah the the uh policies that we're referencing here there's two uh one report uh back in i believe it was 2017 when east park was uh being considered be renamed uh in okay park and that uh um we realized we didn't have a policy so we uh compared other municipalities and uh came up with uh policy just to guide the process it it doesn't have to do a sponsor it's just if we're gonna name go from one name to another we're gonna name it after a person there's some guidelines to vet the person to make sure that there's nothing that would embarrass the city or or the parks department uh later on and so that that there's that policy now there's another policy that deals with sponsorships and naming rights and uh this follows that that guideline that policy came up uh just there's several efforts to uh uh raise some funds for uh various uh amenities within facilities and uh there was one um proposal to rename the the pool with the rec center that never came through uh the the interest was lost but the policy still stands that it provides some guidelines not uh uh it's not required but guidelines for making it worth our while to rename this this fits within that policy regular situation where we like getting rid of it for me personally I don't I don't have a problem with um you know the specific agreement for the work right other than yeah I don't like the idea of corporate sponsor and then have it switch um every so often I know all my hockey friends are picked off at the wild for remaining there arena so it's got a little more either but if if they if it so if the name changes every third year it's gonna be confusing to the public I yeah I think a lot of it's more about the partnership and and uh um recognition um you know I I we're not uh too concerned about whether people call it by the right name or not but it's uh it's um I mean I have absolutely no problem with having the uh uh advertisement and and sponsorship stuff but when it comes to actually naming a facility it just runs me the wrong way well and I think that's where I'm confused I think we're talking about different things a little bit because that's what I'm hearing and we're not renaming RAM arena we're not renaming different things this is more of a sponsorship of the Grizzlies hockey and that particular rink it's more of a mile high at Invesco field or whatever 15 names they've had in Denver for that I mean like we're not actually proposing renaming buildings we're engaging sponsorship for specific ranks and field houses or something like that.

So I'm more in favor of when it's not renaming things I would think that a different process would be triggered when we're actually renaming these aren't renaming anything that existed before.

Right it is just that amenity of the north rank so it's it's not the south rank where the larger uh like the grizzlies play or other games are happening it's the the north rank there and yeah it's just that amenity versus a facility renaming a facility would certainly have to go through several steps and and come before the board and other levels of approval before something like that were to be contemplated.

A response that's why I don't care as much bringing we're not renaming the recenter.

No and I think the thing is I'm glad that they recognize that there was an error made and then brought it forward I mean that kind of makes it was making it a little wonky to me that they named it and then obviously we see it we should have seen it prior to but it's an honest thing if the fact would be a license threat till it did so I appreciate you bring that forward any other comments on that or is there a motion or approval second mark Chad all in favor.

Um is there anybody presenting on this, or are we just yeah?

Yeah.

Yeah, yep.

So if you guys want to come up, so yeah, leadership Greater Rochester.

I think many of you are aware that we've worked with them in the past on uh community impact projects that they do.

So kind of a year-long cohort that they that they have, and uh each group each cohort is uh tasked with doing uh an impact project.

So um we connected with them last summer, fall about this particular project, and so I'll let them introduce themselves and um getting their PowerPoint fired up here.

Okay, just a second.

So yeah, well, that I can start with um I'm Adam Leshcourt, and this is the Adam Jasper Grain.

Yeah, so we add on P and Adam G, but um anyway.

So it just for a little bit more background, Jeff did a nice job.

But um, when we start out, we try to kind of hone in on a community impact project and what direction we want to go.

So our group is what 25 ish people or so.

Uh we all just reach out to our contacts, and I'm a civil engineer in town.

I've worked with Chad on different things.

So I reached out to him and uh brought this project back, and everybody else did the same, and then we vote on it as an LGR group as to what we think is the most um kind of within the scope of what we want to do, right?

Not too big, not too small, something that's accomplishable, but um and ultimately community identified need, right?

Yeah, so at the beginning we have a we have a retreat like um state county and city of Rochester come and uh kind of present to us different needs in Rochester and this fit a lot of those specific needs.

Um things like uh accessibility for people with uh special needs, um different groups like that.

You'll see as we kind of present our project this meets a lot of those needs.

So what we're proposing here.

Um so our goals with this project is to expand accessible parts and rack.

This is a project the parts and rack already has going.

And our goal with this is to buy two accessible adaptable tandem bikes.

So these bikes are uh one person sitting in the front, one person sitting in the back, and the back person controls the bike, but the person in the front who may be differently able is able to experience riding a bike and the joy you may get out of that, and this can be older folks who may have mobility issues or younger folks who have different mobility abilities as well, and our call it um to make this project bigger than what is already in place, is to partner with Forwood uh system to gather volunteers to help practice bikes in and out with the city and just give some of those people a little bit more involvement with their community, and we also have a 45,000 dollar fundraising goal, and we do have a marketing plan fundraising scheme in development.

Our goal with that is to launch it in April and end that at the end of June.

And then we are also working with local disability apps have the Kissing groups to maximize funding and look forward grants that may be possible.

Yeah, just to give a little bit more background.

Um, you guys have one of these bikes currently to the correct two or two, um, and this would be not only expanding the amount of bikes, but uh the type of bike, the type of bikes and the checkout system to make it easier to use for different people that have them.

Um, and then we're also we'll next slide here.

Um talk about we're gonna kind of build a centralized location where we store these bikes safely um in a shipping container, so it's pretty uh pretty secure because these bikes are pretty expensive.

So that's an example of one.

Uh they range what seven to ten thousand dollars for these.

Um so that's pretty substantial amount of money, but um so currently the bikes are being um held at the firehouse or like you um and uh the part we uh met as a group and we decided that uh the best location would be at the cascade uh part so that these bikes could be rented and taken around the athletically um and like outside due to the price of the bites.

And uh we uh met as a group and we decided that uh the best location would be at the cascade uh part so that these bikes could be rented and taken around the athletically um and like yeah due to the price of the bikes we didn't want to pop up an arch shed or something that someone could easily break into so our suggestion was to get a shipping container that could be locked and then we could beautify the shipping container with some metal panels that match the color of the corresponding buildings around the area as well as a single sloped roof that matches the uh again the buildings that are in the same area if you go to the next slide this is what the mirror's gonna look like but uh it was the only thing in the rendering software so the plan the plan would be to uh contact we have contacted the same muralist that uh did the mural on the adjacent building and she would do a mirror on the back that faces the uh part to the east so obviously this is all I mean budget dependent um we have some donors that have come forward and um Adam has secured the shipping container through his humor for next thing um and then we're in the currently process of like actually said fundraising and reaching out to different suppliers to see what materials can be donated what we're gonna be for um oh depending on approval correct yeah oh yeah but there are any questions for the board members for uh providing news all I can say is I raised a job with a piston loading and boy which yeah this one would point when he was here um it would have been great I'm very glad you're doing this nice picture we learned agenda on page one thirteen that yeah yeah this that uh site plan shares kind of uh the sidewalks around it but yeah this is uh the exact bike I think so they're peddling so yeah I actually wanted to hear it sounds like you've talked to Jeff a little bit like and you've certainly considered the aesthetics of the park and you know you guys are in some of those trades as well so that's great.

Um and I love the idea of having another location for them because they just keep the the options kind of keep growing because we have the quads and the track chairs and all those other things.

But I was just curious like if you've you and Mike have vetted this like also one thing that always usually gets brought up even though it's pretty um good in the way it's set is upkeep costs.

I mean a shipping container is pretty robust and shouldn't have a lot of upkeep I guess I'm actually missing Mike or that so I'm your default so I'm or Mike or Jeff like if you guys want to comment where this fits with like upkeep and and I also also want to say I think it's a great project.

I think giving another location for storage um putting it out there so community knows where it is I like cascade um I think it's awesome.

So and um yeah yeah so we typically wouldn't want to see a shipping container in one of our parks for storage but given that you know that was kind of one of the requirements we talked about up front was that we wanted if they were going to do this if they could dress it up then we would allow a shipping container to be uh done and the the um the siding that you see kind of that yellowish brown um I think you're planning on matching what's on the the lakeside building just stones throwaway so that's closest we could get to it.

Yeah I know that was pretty spendy stuff so yeah but um and the shipping like you said shipping containers are about as bulletproof as you know you could get um so I think we were we're okay with that I think in terms of the bicycles um I believe we've got volunteers that kind of fix and maintain our bikes in the winter time over at Silver Lake.

So I think that would be the similar idea here is that um you know whatever maintenance winds up happening on a year to year basis that would be covered as well.

And it wasn't so it wasn't just me Ben was involved and Sue also actually this is all really Sue's idea so know her um you know accessible rec person.

So we and she's the one who mentioned it in one of our staff meetings last summer.

And then when Adam reached out then we kind of got the ball rolling and it seemed to be a good way to go.

So the staff and payroll is then that's what I'm hearing for the okay.

All right.

Bart you got a question?

Yeah I do just out of curiosity how are you going to advertise to just get this information out to the public so that they're aware that there's another opportunity because this is a wonderful opportunity.

It's a great place for them to do that.

I'm just curious how do you roll that out how do you do it now that we've got two right yeah so we've been talking with Sue quite a bit on their marketing material and sending out the newsletters and things with the parking rec group.

And we'll have our communications team involved as well.

Yeah.

Do we have you got a question?

I was just gonna add and Sue can speak to this more knowledgeably than I can but last year we did include information on these things in the summer mailer that went out there was a citywide mailer and she received an overwhelming number of phone calls for being able to use the adaptive equipment that we have in the system.

So we feel like that's a good route as well as the other avenues that the communications team will be using to share this information it should be hopefully pretty well known once it's up and we're saying these are electronic assist bikes so do we even have any other electronic like I know a lot of other than the track chair a lot of the other ones are pedals.

So the two side by sides we have our pedal assist bikes so this would be a similar capacity that where that pedal assist will help keep it moving along and they're yeah very popular.

With with Sue having I keep speaking for you so I'm sorry for that but um having Daycamp at Cascade so they had um the the participants in the camp out riding that loop with these bikes and it was a great experience for them so that's partly what led us to to recommend this as the park location for you have any comments and we brought up multiple um meeting um this is going to serve our community so well I get so many calls um from all sorts of people uh disabilities elderly um people who just maybe want to ride with their with their person I I think it's just gonna be their both cascade is a beautiful lake and have a great tab um we will keep some bikes over at Silver Lake to use there also uh we have a great connection with the bike group there and we do our maintenance for our bikes and they would they would pitch in on these bikes also and um so yeah you guys are doing just above and beyond anything I I thought well I just want one little bike and all of a sudden we're getting this so uh yeah okay Marty you got a question um so the E assist and that was the process for charging them in that location yeah so we're gonna tap into the electricity and come up on our report.

Any more questions it sounds like there's a pretty favorable chat next year because this is too ambitious can you put in like writing some programs so that they can be locked and people can reserve them online and then go put in the code unlock but yeah not not just you know next you're just thinking out loud you this is ambitious enough I don't want to put more on you guys next year's group.

Yeah I was gonna say you could always make your group another year or two well they have one every year then yeah have applications probably opening things if we have any more questions or put our motion are you Becky all bears motion pass unanimous or thanks very much to the LGR group the great project this is our how how many LGR projects that we have great lots lots of lots of years thank you the update on the plan for Reverend Martin Lord getting in your park Jeff or Mike who's going to provide that that's gonna be me okay so just have uh switch the shakers that you can support today.

Thank you.

Kind of an update.

Check in to see if you have any questions.

But if you recall this particular plan, this concept plan was approved by the park board last April.

So I know that I think there's at least a couple of you who were not on the board at that time.

So hopefully this will be a little new information for you guys as well.

But since then we what this plan allowed us to do was to uh actually get our grant contract in place.

So we have an outdoor recreation grant and the amount of roughly 1.5 million for this project.

And in order to get that, you have to go into a certain amount of detail and cost estimates and things like that.

So we did uh get our contract in November of last year.

Um what we also did in anticipation of that was we got some proposals from some engineering firms, design firms.

Um we got them on board in uh November or December after the contract is in place.

Um in December, late December, we started some uh more development on this particular plan.

Um there hasn't been really any major changes to this concept plan.

We've just gotten into more detail and kind of more reality with it, I guess you'd say.

So um we also carried out some engagement in January as well, met with the East Side Neighborhood Association in January.

We also met with a uh working group that we had convened last year and brought as many of them back as we could to get um their input and feedback.

So um with that is the more detailed plan of the improvements, so not as illustrative, but we're starting to get into engineering and utilities, where those are going to be located, where they're coming from.

Um you know, where are some trees that may need to be removed, um things like that that have allowed us to then actually get into more detailed cost estimates.

So just kind of in review some of the elements that we're looking at including in this is an expansion of the basketball courts, actually adding a new basketball court.

There's two out there already.

Um expanding the playground uh with more um accessible type playground equipment and surfacing.

So that's another aspect of this overall project, of course uh splash pad installation with splash pad, which is a you know uh um water play element where there's no standing water, the water just drains away immediately.

Um of course we're required to add a restroom with this the splash pad element.

Um we're renovating the shelter, so to at a minimum we'll be um painting that we may raise it up to provide a little bit more light underneath it.

Um we're we may look at skylights, the whole idea with the shelters to obviously preserve the the material, but also to create a an environment underneath it that's a little bit more conducive and light filled, and we'll also add some concrete around the outside so that activities can kind of spill spill out to the um exterior of the shelter.

Uh we're adding a food truck plaza that'll have electrical and um hookups for uh those food trucks.

So we'll be able to have four food trucks there at a time, and um that'll be kind of right in front of the shelter area, so that whole area in between hopefully will be uh a nice active area.

Um community garden expansion.

So we've been working with uh primarily with Kelly Ray Kirkpatrick, uh who is the master gardener who has kind of championed that program here in the last five to six years.

Um and then accessibility elements such as sidewalks and um bike paths.

area um the community garden expansion so we've been working with uh primarily with Kelly Ray Kirkpatrick uh who is the master gardener who has kind of championed that program here in the last five to six years um and then accessibility elements such as sidewalks and um bike path so if you see at the top left of the screen um what we'd like to do is connect from that intersection which is 15th Avenue and East Center Street up to the bike path that runs along the railroad tracks um east and west on the south side of the railroad track so we're trying to make the park more accessible for people who you know can come from further parts of the city um and um you know get that potential traffic off of the uh off of the street so um our funding as you can see is 3.136 million dollars um so we just had our kind of 60 percent plans prepared and we are about six and a half percent over budget currently um that does include the the the budget number the cost estimate does include a 10% contingency so we've got a uh knockoff about six and a half percent or basically a couple hundred thousand dollars to get to that um full 10% contingency so and you you received uh million five and federal grant funding correct yeah the rest is coming out of the department CIP right yes yeah all right and the plans are 60 complete and obviously this isn't the public hearing so it's just for the board to ask questions so are there any questions uh I've got a couple and a lot of sidewalk on the west side and the south side and I know I saw that was for five feet is that necessary to have a five foot sidewalk there yeah that's so if we're gonna have a sidewalk it needs to be at least five feet and that's and how many trees are we going to lose on that so on the on the south side we won't lose any trees on the west side I'm thinking we'll lose two trees um but that's that's about it.

So when we look at the project most of it's up in the northeast corner which is fine in that area does have quite a bit of connectivity is the sidewalk going to be one of the last things we do I mean do you have any idea what you're going to do first or what we plan on doing this in um so it would all be all the projects would be done simultaneously yeah so the sidewalks would be included in that we're not looking at doing phasing or anything like that on this so then where do we make up the money the shortcoming um so there they'll probably be a number of of areas that we'll look at doing that you know one of the things that we looked at doing was actually expanding the existing basketball courts so that they're bigger um we may not be able to do that um where else um the the overage for the overall project right now is really because of the Minnesota Department of Health and their new requirements for splash pad um so they're basically they look at a splash pad as being a swimming pool and so we've got to abide by certain amount of restrooms for um the splash pad per square foot uh which is more than we've had to do in the past um we've got to provide a shower we've got to provide additional filtration with the UV system so all that really probably comes to about 200,000 public works had talked about working on East Center Street.

Do we know how that's going to impact any of the projects that we're looking at um shouldn't have any impact that uh street project ends I believe at 11th Avenue so further to the west there's a a stretch of East Center Street between 11th and 15th that um you know there's not any construction happening there.

Next year with the wrong about going back under construction that wasn't completed any problem.

I don't think so I think actually that's going to help um well I'm assuming based on public works you know pushing that forward that transportation and circulation will be benefited at that intersection so what's the process going forward you said you were about 60% plan cost yeah yeah so you know in the next month or actually the next few weeks now we'll develop plans further and um we hope to get out to bid um I guess in the bottom month it's hard to believe that we're already in uh a third of the way through February but um get bids back the end of March and our goal would be to bring back the uh bids to you guys in April to say younger May or you know open open things up for your questions again so great other questions uh city I just have one comment as you were considering maybe the basketball court can change it's there um I'd like to point out that um there's a very robust community there uh pick up basketball games um which is really quite rare um when that kind of community develops it's it's quite amazing and it's um something to protect

about 60% plan cost yeah yeah so you know in the next month or actually the next few weeks now we'll develop plans further and um we hope to get out to bid um i guess in the five of the month it's hard to believe that we're already in uh a third of the way through February but um get bids back the end of March and our goal would be to bring back the uh bids to you guys in April to say younger may or you know open open things up for your questions again so questions uh city I just have one comment as you were considering maybe the basketball court can change it's there um I'd like to point out that um there's a very robust community there of pick up basketball games um which is really quite rare um when that kind of community develops it's it's quite amazing and it's um something to protect so I would be concerned about any um changes there I like the expansion of it I think the expansion of the courts also quite good because they are small um and could potentially allow them to um three and three out more um so I I would express some concerns with potentially um removing some amenities from there because the development live very well were that's existing to me chat but maybe put it kind of like we've got to follow up yeah just following that so what we've done we actually added to the course that was not part of the grant to make it better.

So currently that was currently or planning this planning too as part of this grant so it's yeah we need to cut money and bring it back down to existing conditions it will not be harmed just may not be expanded in that direction the full court will still be added though yeah I I think what I'm trying to express is that like basketball is a really um amazing community especially when one develops outside that's quite robust.

So I I would be I I would be concerned about things being taken away you know like something potentially being added for them and then considered being cut so that all these other amenities to be there like this is something that the youth there are really driven through um and community is really driven through probably I don't know maybe more so than some other amenities that you know could also be considered to be taught so I'm just expressing that I would love to see that that's maintained and protected because of that youth community that's already there um and then I think they would benefit highly from having that expansion maybe consider someplace else.

When it comes back to you know you bring some options for other places where we could cut or add yeah and then the board will have to decide yeah yeah I I think what we'll wind up doing is having some alternates when we do bid it out as well yeah yeah um Ed you have a question does uh did Jeff Paberman review some of these there's expressed concern about closeness and proximity to trees and stuff like that and I know that's almost impossible to get around a little bit I was hoping I was looking around hoping he was here still stuck around too but no yeah I did walk um specifically the south and the west side with Jeff just because I wanted to make sure we were addressing the concerns of the neighborhood and um he didn't express any um how can I describe it he didn't have any major concerns yes sidewalks will impact the roof system of the trees but he like I said he wasn't overly concerned about the absolute but I will say that if we're looking to cut space and I've got a different park in my district that wants more sidewalks so that people that are older have more even space to walk on so I'm actually was kind of surprised um but at the same time I'm like well if this community isn't wanting that like and we do need to cut some costs I mean I'm just saying that might listen to the community and I'd rather an amenity they don't want gets cut than um then something that maybe other people do want.

Right.

Yes we have I think that's again a topic to come back when we look at these final plans and then figure out what is the best approach here.

Yeah I think it is worth mentioning that um the reason we do sidewalks one is to keep people off the streets while giving them access to the parks and I know that um you know the folks who don't want the sidewalk uh are concerned about the trees and um but it's not just those folks that we're trying to serve here we're trying to serve people who may not be able to traverse grass and may not be able to walk through the the middle of the park over the grass.

And the large trees that make it such a nice place to walk.

Well, we're trying to actually provide so that more people can benefit from that that walk and that those larger trees.

So I always have a hard time when we hear from a smaller segment of the community when we're really trying to serve more people than maybe in this room.

So when you bring it back, you might have uh Hubbardman here talk about the trees.

Barn together.

Yeah, I just wanted to say that I do support the basketball courts because we had very few of them in the city.

We took a lot of them out many, many years ago because of behaviors and things that neighbors had issues with, which was probably not the right one back then, but we did it.

Um and so that's why this park has become so important for the basketball community gathers.

And you go down there any evening or during the day in the summer, that those courts are used non-stop, and I think it's important that we remember then realize we have a very limited number.

When we hear from so many groups, we hear about tennis or pickable.

In comparison, the basketball course are much, much smaller in this community than any of those.

Um, and that's a community that we haven't heard from much.

However, there is a very in the winter, there as much as in the summer, there's a very large basketball contingency in the city that have multiple groups putting them up and putting uh leaks together.

It's not just the park and rec, but it's a lot of other groups that are doing that for the kids and use.

And so this is an really kind of a melting pot of uh people who live to play basketball.

And it's probably one of the few areas that we have that have the bleachers in the summer and the abilities of the bonder and things of that nature.

So I think it's important that we really focus on not damaging or making smaller the basketball court area.

But I do would like to see on April 7th what they have for thoughts on how we make this all work.

I would just say if um with my dealings with disability community and with um the age communities.

I just turned 70, so I'm gonna get there.

So um the sidewalks are sensual.

And do what you have to do to mitigate uh the damage to trees, but to me that's not negotiable.

You need to other questions on this.

This is just an update, and this will come back to us one more time, but at that point we're gonna basically have to decide whether we're gonna go to beds on this.

So any other questions?

Well, we're we'll go to beds before the bids and bring them back.

We'll have the bids every thing.

Right.

All right.

Um other questions on that.

Our next item on the agenda is the have your 2026 outdoor p season passed for you.

And Ben, are you handling that or involved?

Van is going to drive this one.

So our much anticipated uh return to talk about uh not only the fees, but uh what operations we look like in the 26th or out of meeting.

So you got here.

Mike must be falling asleep not having law this time.

It looks great.

But a good job.

All right, yes.

So um just have a short presentation here to chat through, and then um looking forward to the discussion on uh bringing this back.

We last talked about it at the December 2025 park board meeting when we brought all the fees forward and I received the direction to do some more study and bring back uh proposal or a plan for a season pass at the outdoor pools.

So um just jumping right into it again, kind of grounding ourselves in the data from last year.

Um so we had attendance of just under 50,000 um revenue and expenses are there.

Um really, I think the items uh I wanted to highlight here was the uh kind of cost per patron based on that attendance.

Um so this last year, 2025, our revenue per patron was uh six dollars and 45 cents.

Um our goal historically has been to attempt to offset the labor cost with the revenue.

Um we missed that by a little bit last year.

Our our labor cost for attendance was 763 per patron.

If we were to add in the maintenance costs and other costs to operate the facility, that would take the need for per patron revenue to be $10.40.

So again, just kind of sharing that information as we get started with the discussion here this afternoon.

The fees, again, just uh run through these again on the daily passes and punch passes of what were in the proposal in December, keeping most of the fees the same.

Uh punch pass cost would remain the same for the 10 punch, both for the full access as well as for the water walking and lap swimming.

Um lap swim, laser river walk, splash pad.

Um the under two or non-swimmers, those would all remain the same.

The adult daily admission and the youth admission for daily was going to go up one dollar from 10 to 11, and then from eight to nine.

Umil Lake being a different experience, a smaller pool, wanting to have a pool that can be more affordable to go in and participate in.

Uh, this is not dissimilar from what the fees have been historically in the past, there being a little bit lower cost pool, also needs less lifeguards.

So our expenses are also lower at Silver Lake going into this year, but the proposal was for $5 and $3 for the daily admission.

Um, and then the punch pass would be 10 punches for $25 to go and attend that pool.

Um, part of the research that we've done over the last couple months tried to put some highlights here.

So we worked uh connected with 14 different communities to get what they do for uh season passes.

Um is a wide range, right?

A lot of those pools and communities are a wide range castings, different than Owatana, then Rochester, then Winona, and the list goes on on.

But what we found was an individual season pass ranged from $70 to $160 for a season.

Family passes ranged from 150 to 205.

And there were a lot of details.

Each one, almost every pass and community implemented them in a unique way, whether it be the cost, how many family members were included with that base price, what the cost would be to add additional family members, perhaps uh like a babysitter or nanny fee, some have built into their options as well to add on person who may be bringing uh kids to the pool.

Um, those different communities, again, their pools have a range in amenities, whether it be the size of the pool, slides, diving boards, all the different amenities around a pool.

So just a wide variety of experiences.

Um out of the 14 weeks talked to, four of them, they only offered an individual season pass.

Um they don't have a family pass option.

Others, uh a couple other communities that we looked at, um, they offered something kind of in between, a hybrid, really, where there was an individual pass, and then as those additional family members purchased, it got uh more affordable as you added more family members.

So created the opportunity that a family of any size could purchase with that discounted model to go there compared to say a family pass in that community or in another community to have a base of four family members or five family members.

This way you could just even a couple uh uh two individuals living at the same household could add and get the discount for the second individual pass.

Um nearly all the communities, some had residence only, like a red or yeah, either resident only could purchase the pass or a lower price for a city resident within that community.

All of them had address requirements when it came to family passes or discounted individual passes, they needed to provide proof of address to just show that they were all living at the same location, and then uh nearly all had policies in place like no refund policies, non-transfer policies, or protocols in place of where you would need to go to be able to purchase that and get set up in the in the whatever their point of sale system was so that they could have that pass be available for um for the season.

So our recommendation um this afternoon and for this upcoming season would be to implement an individual pass.

Um it would be good at both pools.

It would be um listed at 150.

Um and then we would recommend going with that model where as additional family members purchase the pass, the cost went down per person to add family members and uh whether that be another adult, other children all living at that same address would be eligible to purchase those discounted season passes.

Um passes would be purchased here at the City Hall Parks and Recreation Office, would give opportunity for uh our staff here to be able to double check addresses, get um photos set up in our system so that those will be available and people come and swipe in at the pool, they'd be able to have the information they needed and make sure it was accurately set up.

Um we just felt like depending at the day or time when a person would be attempting to register and implement that at the pool.

There could be either uh busy at the at the um busy at the point of sale at the pool in order to be able to incorporate all the details we need to sell a season pass.

So our recommendation is to have that be available at a at a permanent um city hall or parks and rack facility.

Also gives people the opportunity to come and purchase their pass for the season start so they can be all set.

So day one, they can go in and use their pass.

Um we would continue offering a lap swim or water walking season pass.

We've had that the last two years at soldiers.

That's at a 100 price range, which is the same um price point it was at last year for those individuals who just go for those morning um times for the lap swimming or water walking, and again, the pass would be valid at all locations.

So that those are the the slides um we have put together just to bring back some a recommendation, show our kind of show our homework a bit on the work we had done over the last couple months to gather that data, and um I don't know if Paul has any other items to add, otherwise we turn it back over to all uh we were asking for approval on the uh passable uh all the other and the uh fees that uh band has uh outlined there, the uh the other thing who remained the same.

Pardon um my take is that I was in favor of the policy, but I would rely on you for the the detail implementation.

And of course, you'll have next year where you can always uh make adjustments.

Thank you.

I have a number of questions and certain.

Um my family of five, that would be 500.

That's ridiculous.

You can pay for steerable and Catherine, both, and it would still be cheaper.

So when I asked all my mom friends, they're not gonna do it.

They're gonna go somewhere else.

Yeah, that's the that's the truth.

Like $500, some of my friends have four or five, six kids.

There's no way they're going to be able to do this incremental system.

If you don't at least include two adults and a child in the base price, it's just unsustainable for the middle class family.

It just is.

So that was really disappointing.

Um, also the pass, if you're only able to get the pass here in person, which I understand the logistics, but what about my husband and I both work H5 Monday through Friday?

So does that mean we can take off work to come to the city hall?

To get a pass.

Like it doesn't offer any opportunity to get a pass any other time than business hours, which most people have jobs and have to work.

Um also the physical car, is it a physical card?

Is it a digital card?

What kind of pass is it?

Do they just give their name at the door?

Like I what requires the need to physically come to the building if it's something that you could do online.

Yep, because it's a physical key fob card that has a barcode.

So that's what they would scan in and utilize it.

When they scan in, the their photo um pops up and they can just confirm and then they go in.

So having the pass purchased here would we'd be able to take that picture, get it logged into the system and and issue them their card.

If they come to the pool, once that's all set up, they can either scan in.

The other option is when you come if they put out their card that day, you can look them up in the system and they can be checked in and on their way.

But just that initial setup takes a little bit of time to get all of that set up in the system.

If that's the route we're going to do, would there ever be an opportunity to do it on a Saturday or an evening?

Because I feel like that's really limiting.

Most people have jobs, and if you have to go to the city hall and do it, then I just feel like that's really limiting.

Okay.

She's done more.

Um but I want to say like one, I really appreciate you guys doing the homework on this, putting together a proposal.

Um, I know it wasn't something you guys were jumping up and down about the logistics.

That's okay.

That's fine.

Um it is what it is.

Um, and I just appreciate that for getting somewhere on it.

I think that as far as like the mechanics.

You know, via email, get some pictures, pictures of licenses.

Seems like almost all of that could be done maybe via email to the but you gotta start somewhere was kind of part of it too.

And so if we're not ready for that, I think that we should try to respect that there will need to be tweaks made.

I did notice that the passes, and I'm not sure if you went to the metro much.

I would guess not, based on the cost range of family passes.

Um but um but yeah, I did notice the cost for a family of five is pretty significant.

And then I had a question do we know how much we think this will impact our daily like punch cards and um daily pass amounts and stuff like that.

Um do we know I mean obviously people pay in cash, but do we know that there's X amount of people that came to the pool 10 times last year?

Was there any from point of sale or something or no?

We don't track, so we don't know how this will affect case from the this we don't know how this will affect one person daily passes.

Uh we'd be speculating that's fine, I think I just wanted to be.

Yeah, so I mean the whether it's cash or even a credit card, we're not tracking, yeah.

We don't have the wherewithal, we shouldn't be tracking credit card information, like we don't have that information to know how frequently um other than just anecdotally, you know, how much how often some of the um more frequent attenders came to the pool.

I mean, I'm just in favor of us, as I said before, having a baseline of some place to start.

I agree with um the concerns about the total cost based on the data that you guys showed, but I also understand that you're concerned about the cost of the revenues balancing out and that we're not in a position to be super aggressive with that.

Um can you tell me let's let's just do the hypothetical uh family five, two adults, five uh three kids, or is it in 500?

No, no, no.

How many days at the regular price would it take to get to the 500?

I think it was 13.

Was it 13 days?

Yeah, for everybody.

13 days for I think it was if you had a mamma back, which still I'll be honest, that's a lot of times I've slept in kids to the pool, you know, in the summertime.

Um, and but I also think that looks good.

I also think though, like when I sort of crunch the numbers the same way is I mean, why what we are allowing here is a a level and an option to choose.

Like, you know, for myself, not super interested in going to the pool that often.

And um, you know, the punch pass feels like a great deal at 750 a pop.

That's obviously uh a better deal than just the one time purchase.

Um, however, I do understand that there are families that would love to live at the pool in the summertime.

And this pass would definitely give them that option.

Um, I and I also I cringe a little bit at like comparing and contrasting next to other communities because we also don't understand their maintenance costs and opportunities and and things like that.

And so uh, you know, to me, I look at this ten dollars and forty cents is that's the what looks like that's our break-even point, right?

And even at the punch pass, we're kind of underneath that a little bit.

Um so there feels like there's a balance there serving in community, um, but then also um making sure that we're responsible uh with our maintenance uh and and how we maintain these facilities.

Um and heck, if someone's gonna be here 30 times in the summer, um 500, you know, is a steal, then they're gonna be there 20, even 20 times 500 is still a steal for a family of five.

You know, 20 times 500 is still a steal for a family of five.

Um I I like how there's levels here, and we're giving folks the opportunity to choose and pick.

Becky, you're gonna end up first.

Yeah.

So um I'm fine with the levels.

I just feel that the first level should include two adults and a kid, because that's a family.

If they're other, if they're individuals, they can pay for whatever they want.

They're not paying for diapers, they're not paying for kids.

They can pay for whatever they want.

$70, they can get a pass or whatever it is for the person, individual, 150 for the individual.

But I feel like at the very minimum, it should be one adult and one child.

Otherwise, where's the family benefit?

It's not it's individual passes sold at a discount when you buy them in bulk.

It's like going to Sam's Club.

That's not that's not a family pass.

If you sell, I mean, just if you do the math, right?

So you're trying to cover the costs, right?

Which is understandable.

But if you do the math, even if you sold it at 20 at 350, and you sold 25 of them, you're gonna make $8,750 right off the bat.

Not a problem.

25 passes.

If you sell at 250 and you sell 50 passes, you're gonna make 12,500.

So for me, from a marketing standpoint, which is my background, this the idea that you're offering a value and an incentive to stay in town and an incentive for loyalty, then gives you a fixed income that you can bank on.

Take it to the bank.

Here it is.

And people feel that they're getting a discount.

I promise you, they're not gonna go every day.

We have passes to the pool.

We don't go every day.

Sometimes we stay for three hours, some stay, sometimes the kids aren't cooperating.

You stay for 10 minutes and you're like, and we're out, we're done.

And you walk out, you let someone else with a family of five go in.

That's how it works when you've got kids.

It's not something you're gonna spend five hours every day at, but it at least makes it more achievable.

And I just for 500, there's there's no way to couple things.

I appreciate the fact that you went through all this extra work because this is what we had asked about.

It is expensive, but as we asked the golfers to do, we wanted them to come up to pay for costs, and that's what we're trying to do here as well.

I think it's a good start.

$500 is expensive, but I think we have to have somewhere to look at to see where do we go?

And that's that's a starting point.

But I also think as long as we're asking all our groups to try to maintain the cost, as we have with the golfers, as we have with the other groups.

This is reasonable.

And I think the hard thing with this is one year when it opened, we had silver wake, and now next year we didn't have silver weight.

So we're we're sitting in and kind of trying to figure out where that balance is.

So I appreciate the effort.

I hope we continue to look at it.

I hope we look at different options down the road on what we could or couldn't do.

I think looking at a um parent and a child or two parents and a child is an interesting option to look at.

And but I just also then wonder if we do family passes again when the pools full and they come up and they want to come in and they can't get in because the pool pool's full, what happens?

And is that later?

But is that is that something it's understood?

Yes.

And then because I'm questioning when you see what you talk about, Cass and or or St.

Charles, and they're not full, you have no problem.

Here we know that from what Ben had told us that first year, we had many days when the sun was out and the temperatures were up.

The pool was at capacity, and there were people waiting to get in line as I walked around down sold in this field.

So I think those are kind of it's a growing thing.

It's a new product, it's a new thing, and we're gonna have to see how things work out.

But I'm glad to see we're open for ideas until that's fine where we can go with this.

Just speaking to that, for the 10 years that I've been home with kids and stuff.

When you go to Stewartville, you line up 30 minutes before the door opens and you get it.

And if you're not there, then you don't get them.

And that's the risk you take.

Yeah.

And everybody knows that.

You're, I mean, you're an adult, you're a grown-up.

You have to decide, okay.

This is what I want to focus on.

That's what I want to do.

That's fine.

But that's the risk.

I've seen some grown-ups not at like grown up.

So I think I'm just saying that these are things that have to be well published, well disseminated.

So that there is the staff down there, doesn't need to be the ones dealing with those kinds of issues.

I think there's a pretty big precedent in the area for it.

All the comments or uh feedback is great, and it uh reflects the work that we've done and shares some of the challenges we have.

Yeah, this would be a lot different conversation.

If we could new we could expand our subsidy, and uh uh that that would be a much different conversation.

Go find a way to make this affordable.

Here's uh an extra 115,000 in subsidy for the pools.

The other way, uh the other you know, not having that.

What we're concerned about, and it's reflected in in all the fees is to provide a great operation, a great experience at an affordable price, but uh protect that revenue that uh you know at the end of the year we we need to be accountable to that and and show uh you know that uh that we are responsible.

So that that those concerns are reflected in these pieces as well.

Um Commissioner Bilderbach, uh I would hit it right on.

Just you know, what we really needed that is have some data, some history of how these passes are gonna be how people respond to them and make decisions based on that.

And then you throw in uh that we're having another pool in operation, and that there will be a more affordable option for those that aren't interested in the slide uh or the other amenities uh or the lazy river.

You know, we we will have a lot of options, a lot of moving parts this uh coming season, and uh I think this is a great baseline to work from and then bring it back next year and make some adjustments based on actual data, actual participation data.

Last thing I promise.

Yeah, well, my only concern is if we start this high in human life, when do we ever reduce costs like this?

It's already going up and we start at 500, it's not to go down.

So my only additional comment is I came from a family that lived at the pool all summer, and we had uh certainly 60 years ago things are a lot different than they are today, but yeah, I'm I'm I'm very glad that we have an option and a family like mine will have because we were there 30 days a month.

Any other board members have the question?

That I guess we're ready for motion if some people said a second second or a second, all in favor say aye.

Aye, nokay, Mr.

Chair, just so I understand there was three yeses and two no votes.

Five.

I think I'm the only no.

Well, you okay, I'm sorry.

You're right.

Okay, thank you.

Does our vote preclude uh if you guys wanted to make a change, you can to me like they can operational.

We're not we're giving some guidance here that was specific and targeted, but are we hamstring them by approving that?

They if they thought something wasn't working, they can bring it back during the year at that point, but it's kind of hard to think about people passing.

That's what I'm saying.

Like I I almost do like can we put a friendly amendment that they can make adjustments?

If I maybe need to wait for the year and get the yeah, I know that's I just maybe right the data's gonna show, but but we're getting data, that's all I wanted.

Okay, all right.

Next item is 9D, the municipal golf financial participation reporting all, or I am gonna kick us off.

We have uh Judge Gordon on the golf role.

Uh serving in the supervisory leadership role over golf.

Um and the golf team, which will uh uh things work out well, we'll introduce them later on.

That's not okay.

Uh which I hope they do.

Uh, we have a really uh good uh uh story to tell in many areas.

Uh uh let me just start out by saying you were to tell me when I arrived here 12 years ago that uh golf would eventually double revenue, uh double participation.

You would have told me back then when I accepted the job and and uh heard some of the challenges in the at the courses and elsewhere.

I I would have not believed it.

Uh, some of the other things we're going to talk about is the COVID effect uh that was supposed to die out last year and the previous year.

Uh we're not having that.

We're actually seeing increases in participation.

We heard that golf is uh ace very popular for senior population.

A lot of people take that to mean that uh golf our operations predominantly seniors.

We've seen a lot of shifts in adult and young adult uh participation growth uh this past season.

So uh uh anyway, uh just want to set the stage that there's a lot of great things happening in the golf operation.

And the first thing I want to talk about um really is uh not as board members, uh you didn't live through the history of the changes that happened in the golf.

And I just wanted to kind of run through that quickly.

Anytime we talk about golf, a lot of times we've referenced the uh the plan that was approved by board and council in 2022.

I just want to lay out the history of how that all came to be.

When council was uh setting their budget priorities, I may have this wrong, I believe it was actually 2019, but uh they began talking about it 2018.

They were talking about their budget priorities, and one of the issu uh things that came up, and it was actually in a positive way that we want to see what what we need to do with golf.

Although there was talks of uh and ideas thrown around at the time, and uh no secret that there was uh should we close a course?

Are we sized right for Rochester?

Are we size right for the demand?

Those are some of the things that were discussed.

That led to 2020 uh came through board and council approval to uh fund a uh review of our operation by the National Golf Foundation.

Uh fast forward to 20 January beginning of the year 22.

There was a joint meeting of study session of both the city council and the park board, and uh we reviewed the findings and the reports.

Uh it was really good discussion.

Uh and then uh there was uh that led to February the next month.

We uh council of uh uh approved a resolution for us to explore the options, the main options that kind of came bubbled up from that discussion with board and council uh to look at that.

Um concurrently, uh and it mostly happened in September, October of that year.

We had a lot of community engagement.

If you remember there's a citywide survey that had uh pretty uh uh pretty strong feelings about golf in favor of uh keeping uh the golf operation as it was, and that was citywide.

That was not just golfers.

Uh we know how golfers feel uh but uh uh this is how our neighbors felt.

Uh and so um the that led to uh uh bringing back to the board, board made some recommendations uh or approved recommendations that we brought forward kind of based on all those discussions.

And uh January 23, they they approved those recommendations.

So that's a brief timeline.

I highlighted what uh what that plan uh consisted of.

We're gonna continue to operate all four courses.

I think there's when we talked about that at the Civic Center, there was a pause uh uh maybe relieved and kind of knew what what direction we're going.

Uh the uh uh next part of the the uh plan was that we would receive or recommend 250,000 in tax levy investment, and that uh most of that goes to our capital uh budget.

Um we would increase uh well.

I almost skipped the most important part.

Uh we adopted a peace schedule designed to achieve 250,000 net profit by 2026.

I want to say is uh you'll see our results this year, and as we looked at golf in the years that followed, that was a very ambitious goal.

It would have worked out great if uh cost increases inflation was at about two, three percent every year.

That's what we factored into the budget.

That was really based on our history.

And as you know, uh, to maintain a course, we we use uh all the same materials that uh happen out in the construction world, and that you know, those costs even more so than other costs around other items that have gone up uh exponentially.

Uh so we'll talk more about that.

But uh the uh the other areas that were part of the plan is increase our marketing and promotion.

I hope you've seen results of that.

We're we're in mailers, we're off um uh social media, especially.

We've we're getting a lot of um traction there.

Uh you name it, every media, uh just about every media uh available.

We've we've been promoting golf uh billboards as well.

Uh the gram arena or gram park billboards were featured on there.

Um we talked at that time about improving our point of sale operations.

At the time, we were having a lot of difficulty with our system-wide registration software to uh some for some reason back then it didn't like golf.

Uh I don't know.

Uh but uh we we've worked out some of those kinks.

Uh still that's uh kind of high on our list.

If if we ever do move to another uh point of sale, we'll we'll really uh put some high expectations on golf component.

And then we implemented online tea times.

That was one of the other strong recommendations that came out of that uh report.

There were there were others.

Uh I probably should have sent a note when I sent this out.

I didn't want to expect you to read all through the National Golf Foundation report, but I included that in the packet just to kind of reset the conversation again, knowing that there are a lot of people uh a lot of board members uh that were not on the board during all that history, and then uh also to have it on the record and and easy for those who are being watching this or reviewing it or here uh that's available to you.

So uh with that, let's just look at the results for this past year.

As I uh included it with the uh past five years.

Uh some highlights there.

We we did uh uh receive part of our revenue was tax uh levy this year of 275,000.

Uh look at the uh charges for services, that's all the user fees, all the everything that happens at the golf course.

That is that uh revenue captured there.

Uh miscellaneous revenues, that's everything from uh cell tower agreements um to um um uh contracted services.

Uh the there's uh quite a bit of uh revenue that comes to us in that that way.

Um and so our total revenue there is 2.5 million, but I the thing I really want to point out is 2.2 million.

That uh it's outstanding year.

Uh Jeff will talk a little later.

I don't want to steal his uh uh headlines, but uh that is 20 over 20 uh less golfable days than we had in 2024 because of rain.

So when you look at that uh going up uh uh nearly 200,000 from 24, that's pretty significant.

So I wanted to build up the excitement because now we're gonna talk about expenditures.

Uh uh lot of moving parts there.

And I I'll before I get into the actual numbers, uh, let me just tell you about some of the changes that were made that uh you know maybe why is it so high compared to the previous years?

Uh we we changed a few way uh things in the way we operate.

There were two um golf pros that retired, and we uh looking at our entire department, what the needs were.

We hired two full-time employees instead of going with the contracted golf pro model, and that's at Hadley and at uh Soldiers Field.

So that expense went up uh pretty substantial because of that.

We had a vacant position at Hadley for uh our golf uh landscape tech that does uh maintenance at uh Hadley Creek.

Uh we wanted to see if we could survive without having that.

So we found that we were doing a lot of contracted work.

We were uh really increasing our seasonal employee budget to make that work, and we were always pulling uh superintendents away from the other courses to make that work.

So we we filled that vacancy, and it's just made our operation much more smooth, and the quality of work that's getting done now is just expanding because that and as you probably point out, it's it's really helped all the courses to be able to have that uh position in place.

Uh some of the other costs that are beyond our control, um employee benefits.

We had um just a lot of increases there.

Uh we we've uh in order to maintain uh consistency and to be competitive, not only with you know, outside of the city organization, but just you know, competing staying competitive with the library and other uh organizations that hire seasonal staff.

We've we've increased our our wages and as we should.

Um we're not gonna be able to hire anybody if we're not uh uh have a competitive wage compared to any retail position or other summer type position.

So those are some of the headlines there of why those costs have gone up, and it's definitely reflected in uh in the other areas.

Um other charges that one a big uh uh expense there is our vehicle replacement charges, and that includes all the equipment that it takes to run uh the golf courses.

We amortize those costs over time.

So when we get a new equipment, we get we're we're we're a lot more efficient in what we do, but we're paying for it on the other end too.

So uh it's it's uh a balance there.

Um and so uh with all that said, just in summary, we wind up with a 41,000 deficit at the end of the season.

Um I I should have made this disclaimer earlier.

I want I just want to make it clear, these numbers have not been finalized by our finance department.

This is really uh raw data.

There will be some minor tweaks, and there actually have been some that put this closer to 60,000 uh at the at the end of the season.

But um so now uh you look at that like oh, you know, you've had all that revenue and uh still uh come up with a deficit.

There are a lot of one-time uh costs built that were reflected in that um this past year.

Uh we went through each team, each golf course, we've talked through those.

There's uh changes we'll we're implementing to address uh some of those, just more efficient staff.

Uh you know, trying to build efficiencies into our uh staff schedules.

Uh we really found out there wasn't a lot of wiggle room, but where there is, we're we're dialing it in, and uh we'll be uh working with our team to uh work through that.

So just wanted to share that.

Now I promised last year, I broke my promise here.

I show it, told you I'd never show this slide again because it is so complicated, or you know, the print is small, but I just wanted to uh reflect back.

This is what we use to build the model to come up with our revenue projections, and these are back in 2022.

Uh we put uh the there's also expense in there.

Last year, I just wanted to frame that up because uh this is the model we're using this year, and what we use for the two-year budget cycle.

Uh uh the top part is what we presented to you last year, and then I just repeated again uh 24 or 25 actuals at the bottom.

So um we came pretty close to uh our our revenue.

Um I'm really good at predicting revenue, I'm really bad at predicting expenses.

Uh I I wish I could take credit for that, but it's really the um the response we've had from our golfers that's uh been driving that revenue, and it's been very very positive.

Um I wanted to show you just what revenue expense looks like in two different ways.

First of all, this is just golf revenue, it does not include any tax subsidy, it's all operational, there's no capital funding here.

And if you look at that, uh you know, I prior to 2020, that's really what golf looked like.

There was uh that gap between uh revenue and expenses.

Uh of course, we want the blue line to be on top.

Um so 2020 comes around and things change dramatically with COVID, and then the changes that we start that I presented at the beginning of the uh presentation go into effect, the fees um and all the other changes that it uh gave us uh were opportunity where uh three of the or four of the past five years we were above the or I'm sorry, three of the past five, we were above the uh red line there, and that's just with uh golf revenue.

Now you look at uh the next slide, and you can sit you know compare this to any other uh program within the city or within the department.

Uh this is with our tax uh revenue, this is with our tax support.

But after that, and with uh some subsidy, we are running a uh pre-efficient operation.

Uh next few slides, we just want to to get into specifics about where our revenues coming from.

Uh I'll let Jeff chime in at any time here because this uh starts to deal with uh what you guys see in the courses every day, but not surprising.

Uh you might think did I did I make a cut and paste error and put the same uh graph uh for each year?

No, uh this uh task sales have been fairly steady, although what we're seeing, especially in the adult and youth uh uh there's some exceptions in the youth, but they're uh dropping down into the daily fees or the patron card that which shows up in uh daily fees as well.

Um and I know comparing year to year, I shouldn't use pie charts, but it was really hard to cram all that into a part of graph.

So I just wanted to show it uh just uh how our uh demographics are represented in the past passes.

And uh you see uh one of the things I actually was surprised at is that our past sales went up from 24.

And um I uh with uh uh the you know the the fees that went up.

It's uh people are still responding to the passes.

And uh one of the things we're seeing here is in the daily fees again, uh pretty much carbon coffee one year or next.

Uh, but uh adults are are very well represented in our daily fees, over three quarters of our revenue comes from adults, and then you see the breakdown there, seniors and uh the junior categories.

Um let's see.

Um I'm just gonna go through this and we'll we'll uh take your questions.

Um I just wanted to point out capital improvement projects.

Uh uh with that 250,000 a year, that has made a world of difference.

I I one of the things I noticed um, you know, 12 years ago, I think we were losing golfers because we lost their trust because we were not maintaining the courses.

We're not providing uh a really good consistent experience.

All right, and it wasn't our team, it was just they didn't have the resources they needed to provide uh uh uh a great playable course and uh uh you know make it a good experience.

So that all those projects listed across there.

Uh you know, I can point out the the road entry road at Northern Hills that this became a punchline for a couple of years.

It's like what are we gonna do?

Uh we finally got uh the funding to take care of it, uh, made a world of difference.

I've never been so excited about uh uh blacktop by two minutes uh before it's uh uh made made uh a difference.

Uh and and uh uh one of the things I should point out too the concession era was able to stay open all year round this past year.

They they tested uh tested out, they're probably gonna do it again next year.

Uh so we're having a good success from that.

Uh other other things are kind of routine, but uh the other big ticket items there were the uh irrigation systems that you see um both at Eastwood and Soldiers Field.

Um we did some concessionary updates, kind of mixing up my uh operations with CIP, but I just wanted to point out all the courses now or the 18-hole courses.

I think we've really hit our stride with the concessionaires that we've got really good responses from golfers, they're attracting non-golfers to their operations.

Um, it's been a good good relationship.

Um where we're going, I'm gonna let Jeff take this one, just talk about uh capital projects uh this this year and over the next couple of years.

Thank you, Paul.

Thank you, our four council members, friends of Rochester Dollar here, first team members.

It's a good ride.

It's been a great ride.

So thank you first for the opportunity to be able to even build us.

We don't have that opportunity.

We were so deep in a hole, and I think 2020 five, we were kind of oh, that's what it looks like up there in the real world.

Paul, you said I had an hour, right?

After this meeting, yeah.

Did you see up there some things that the superintendents and the golf managers and pros get together?

And initially it was a big 9-1-1 when we got all these projects on the table, and we think we have about 200,000 to work with.

And how about the road at Northern Hills?

Well, there was 190 of it.

So you see what we're what we're up against, but those things are slowly getting done, and people are noticing Mr.

Debore, public golf side.

That answered the question.

The public seems to have accept the increase in prices the last three years.

And we're you're you're seeing some things that are done with that market.

That's was that's what we needed to see.

Um a lot of those things on the board there, Hadley Creek.

We have uh a huge uh fall that you want to say uh reconstruction of that clubhouse.

There was some water damage, window damage, all that's in your packet.

We want to do some bunker renovations on it eastward in the next couple of years.

That bottom one will blow some golfers' minds.

Uh Northern Hills was built in 1976, and I believe the greens have every year tilted about three degrees corruption.

So to look at some of those in the future, uh, just make that golf course so much more playable.

So I believe with the prices uh public and and boards, we've we've uh seem to have found the balance to look off of right now.

I want to introduce the participants that make this happen, the team.

I'm I'm big about team, as I think every division is.

I'm gonna start with uh Hadley Creek, uh Shelby Leaks golf manager.

Christy.

The landscape tech at Hadley Creek is Jay Kosick.

Jake's right here.

Steve Theobold is the golf course superintendent who could not make it tonight.

So by the way, unbelievably good shape.

It's really really good.

So are the other courses?

Appreciate it.

Northern Hills Golf Pro Mike Management could make it tonight, but John Munson, golf course superintendent.

John Parks came back to golf and is doing a great job at Northern Hill.

So thank you, John.

Eastwood, myself, Jeff Foreman, PGA professional, and Dave Brudwick, golf course superintendent.

Behind the scenes at the front counter, this is the reason why this happens right here behind me.

Um talked about captain improvements.

I'm wheeling ball, I'm moving fast.

Talk about some good things.

First T, junior golf.

Numbers are strong and climbing.

Remember, the first T is about golf life skills, or excuse me, life skills program.

It's not necessarily about golf.

So I've raised kids and have grandkids, and we know a lot about life skills, don't we?

Um, so first key is just been awesome.

Have you been out to anybody been out to Hadley Creek community lately?

And that place is just blown up.

Oh, Mr.

Johnson's June 2025, Eastwood hosted a two-day MGA state senior ladies championship.

It was awesome.

It would have been really, really good if the second day didn't get hanged out.

Uh late July, this was a lot of fun.

Um the hundred-year golf celebration at Soldiers Field, a hundred years of golf in Rochester that started at Soldiers Field.

Abby Polk put together numerous committees, volunteers, first T was there.

Um it's a huge success.

Two-day tournament banquet, and uh Abby and their their committees raised over 10,000 that we donated to the first team.

So it was great.

Northern Hills Clubhouse whistle banks, whistle babies on the lakes with that new road with whistle bankies out at Northern Hills.

Um, Mike Manahan can't take any more tournaments or events.

That's how popular that clubhouse has been when uh the events that they can run out there now.

So I don't think soldiers had me in the east would mind either because those courses get flooded.

Northern's back, they got to go somewhere else, and we happen to take them.

So and also with those events, it's about local charities, fundraisers.

So it's uh it's a win-win-win across the board.

Eastwood, uh the caddy shack run now by Eunice Bowgy.

If you've ever experienced Eunice's food, uh he's not a cook, he's a chef.

It's unbelievable.

Probably too good for Eastwood.

The fall of the year, uh, Abby's also taken on, which some of you people in this room maybe have would have played in.

The fall of the year, uh Abby's also taken on, which some of you people in this room maybe have would have played in the green jacket open is now has the full-time house at uh Soldiers Field Golf Course.

So the green jacket is the city park and recognize just everybody.

Yeah, that's full.

So we were struggling for years to get that to be a good enough number to even have it.

I don't know if you guys know it went back further than Ron Bashkin, but there's this old green sports coat.

I guess the money can do that.

So it's pretty fun.

We've got uh ladies, we've got the hundred-year bankings.

Here we go.

So we've talked enough about expenses and revenues.

We all know that the world we live in today is very expensive.

The uh not anticipating those costs was virtually impossible.

We have met with fall numerous times and have made a commitment to golf to unturn every expense stone we can and try to fix that with with what's our our ability.

So Ben and uh talk about weather, not for too long.

Ben you're gonna realize that too, as you already do with two different pools.

We have four different golf courses.

We measure good golfable days when you see that in packets, you might not know what that means, but a high base number would be 180 days in the season.

That would be about a perfect year.

If you run March through November, you might have 210 days or so, but we don't often see that.

So our best year we could probably ever have with perfect weather would be 180 days.

If you saw that the 2023, we were at 149.

That was the first year of the price increases.

149 is a good number.

You think they might explain that in a second?

2024, 142.

I called that about average.

Last year, 128.

Below average.

Mother Nature, I pray every day for Mother Nature.

And it's not hundreds of dollars losing a day, it's thousands of dollars.

One thing that I don't think people understand.

If it rained two inches on a Thursday, a good golfable day definition also means all four facilities are open.

Parks are running and the ranges are open.

We have two inches of rain at Eastwood on a Thursday afternoon.

Um soldiers might open Friday for walking and maybe get carts out on Saturday.

But I'll guarantee you, Northerns, Eastwoods, Hadley, we'll have no carts for two or three days.

Uh the ranges will be closed for a couple of days, even if it's 78 degrees and perfect.

So that's that's more to look at in good golfable days, just to give you a little information on.

You know, there's lightning and stuff at the pool.

Well, unless the pool flooded, they're probably back the next day.

But if Ben has a horrible weather here, that's totally reflective on anything we're talking about today.

So that does put a huge part in our our puzzle.

I'll leave it at that.

Um enough said, uh, thank you again for the opportunity.

Thank you, staff for being here today.

It's gonna be a great 2026.

I have one comment from that.

If you look at the revenue numbers from 2020, it's a million five.

Look at the revenues in 2025, two million five.

That is an amazing increase in the revenues.

Unfortunately, it costs have gone up a lot too.

That is a you know, the golfers have showed up and they have not ranked about the fees they're paying.

So my question is if last year had been any average golfable year, uh, would the uh deficit not be there?

No, I just think it's still in Balkan China.

The the anticipated expenses.

We didn't we didn't we didn't closed the gap.

It would have closed the gap.

I I uh I I think it goes back to when we made these projections.

Um we were we were optimistic uh about inflation and uh didn't put a lot of science into it.

It was just a year-to-year increase.

So yeah, I uh um but yeah, to the point of weather really would have helped close the gap and got us a little closer to that.

An average year is we're finding is you know 140 to 150.

It just seems like if you've got three months and in the golf season, you got a spring, you got a summer, you got a fall.

Um get two of them.

So usually you got a wet spring, you got a pretty good ball.

Springs are key.

Okay.

So you're opening tomorrow.

Any other questions about you?

Seeing none, that was just a report, I believe, but we have two other business items on the end of an informational road.

Uh that's the sanitary store in Cuscle Park.

Is that a mic labor item?

That is.

Okay.

Nothing.

So this this project is basically letting you know that this is taking place in Cusky Park.

There's currently a sanitary switch across the park right now.

And they're anticipating new development happen later this year or next year on the adjoining property where they'll wonder what bigger used to be.

As part of that, they want to make corrections for the current sanitary sewer.

It's very flat, doesn't drain very well.

So they want to modify the location of that sanitary sewer to gain some great elevation.

But that means that they're going east-west directly across the park, by OK Corner, southwest to northeast.

And they pick up just linear tenths of an inch or tenths of a foot.

That makes a difference in flow of the sewer going down the line.

Um so the goal here is just to let you know work to take place in that area.

We have made permission with them to uh make them understand that yes, the sewer is going to be allowed to go there.

Thank you, Dad.

Um, in that northern northeastern direction.

But if by chance we want to develop the park further than what is currently out there with a structure of some sort, they may need to modify that sanitary sewer or accept it to be under a future building if that's the case we want to do.

So again, we've got nothing planned out there right now.

It may be like a shelter or a pavilion of some sort of the future.

Uh, our parts of the plan they update that desire as we go forward.

So that's the information.

Go ahead, Mark.

Um, is that only gonna be disruptive to uh baseball softball for a while?

Yeah, it's not even it's not used highly for the for baseball softball anymore, like it used to be either.

So it's very little impact.

They do plan doing it later.

Okay, so that's just an informational item just informational.

Okay.

We work with our utilities all the time on how work in our park, so again, it's just make you aware of what's going on.

Okay, all right.

Um to our last item, which is the parkboard meeting agenda planner.

Is there anything we need to change or any on that?

Chen, do you have a question?

We used to go around, so but I'm so I'm just gonna go back to golf just for one second and just want to recognize everybody that's here spending their time and their night.

People that want to do golf and want to be outside, don't want to be sitting here and all of the people that are here, and just I would echo what Paul said when I saw the report for 2021.

I was like, this is a bad idea.

Um and um think that it you guys should be proud of all that you guys are doing from the work side as well as all of the patrons that really make it happen to um sometimes I'm tough on golf, but um I just wanted to write it back.

Thank you for that.

I'm sure that's a statement on behalf of all of the work, but thanks for bringing that up, Chad.

Yeah, there are any other items, anybody Marty, did you are gonna hear about curling anytime soon?

Uh we have uh Mike has been in contact.

We have uh good meeting.

Uh they've got some things to think about.

We've given some uh uh some uh ideas, and they're gonna come back with uh what what they would like to present to the board for I just perhaps want to if they want to come back into our parks, they'll come back to us to write the board.

Yeah, okay.

Any other items for anybody?

Not is there a motion to adjourn, Mark?

Second, Mark, all paper second.

Okay.

Thanks, everybody.