Good evening.

Welcome to the August 11th, 2025 Sacramento Community Police Review Commission.

The meeting is now called to order.

Will the clerk please call the role to establish a quorum?

Thank you, Chair.

Members, please unmute your microphones.

Commissioner Sample.

Present.

Commissioner Johnson.

Present.

Commissioner Corbes.

Present.

Commissioner Lewis.

President.

Commissioner Brookens.

Present.

Commissioner Espinoza Salazar.

Present.

Commissioner Griggs is absent.

And Chair Carter Martinez.

Present.

Thank you.

We have quorum.

All right.

I would like to remind members of the public and chambers.

I wasn't called my apologies.

Vice Chair Buen Rostro.

Present.

Super quorum.

We have a quorum.

All right.

Thank you, Clerk.

I would like to remind members of the public and chambers that if you would like to speak on an agenda item, please turn in a speaker slip when the item begins.

To provide greater community participation in our commission's work.

We will allow more time for members of the public to give comments.

And we'll ask the clerk to accept speaker slips until the finers final speaker has concluded their comments.

For matters not on the agenda, you will have five minutes to speak once you are called upon.

For matters listed on the agenda, you will also have five minutes to speak once you are called upon.

All right.

To the original people of this land, the Nissanon, the Southern Maidu Valley and Plains Miwak, Patwin Wintu Peoples, and the people of the Wilton Rancheria, Sacramento's only federally recognized tribe.

May we acknowledge and honor the Native people who came before us and still walk beside us today on these ancestral lands by choosing to gather together in today's today an active practice of acknowledgement and appreciation for Sacramento's indigenous peoples history contributions and lives.

Thank you.

Please remain standing for the Pledge of Allegiance.

Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.

One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

And actually, and the consent calendar.

Can I have a motion?

So move approval of the uh consent calendar.

Thank you, Commissioner Sample.

May I get a second?

Thank you, Commissioner Corbes.

With a motion to approve by Commissioner Sample and a second by Commissioner Corb.

All in favor.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

That's my little rusty.

Any opposed?

Any abstentions?

All right, thank you.

I um just want to share with everybody.

I cannot find my script, so I'm a little bit winging it right now.

And I'm working off a very last very old script.

Okay.

Um comments not on the agenda.

Uh yes, okay.

Okay.

For the record, there was no public comment on the consent calendar.

Thank you.

Um, next order of business today is public comments for matters not on the agenda.

As a reminder for the public, you will have five minutes to speak on them.

Clerk, are there any members of the public who wish to speak who wish to speak on public comments matters not on the agenda?

Thank you, Chair.

Uh, we have a few speaker slips.

Our first speaker is uh William Cho.

Five minutes, that's generous.

We only give two.

Good evening, Commission.

It's nice to see everyone.

Uh compliments for your AB 481 community forum.

Uh well done to you and the PD for all of your perceived grievances and disagreements uh with the PD.

The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Uh you have a gem here that you should be proud of and protect.

Uh and just know that not everyone, every resident in the county has this opportunity to have this dialogue with their law enforcement agency.

So that is extremely uh important.

It's refreshing to see new leadership.

I encourage you to look at issues objectively.

Uh, one item of interest for you may be uh the blue envelope program.

You may or may not have heard of this.

Uh that can be found on page 92 of our commission's agenda packet.

So that's all for this evening.

Thank you.

Thank you for joining us this evening.

Thank you.

Our next speaker is Henry Harry.

Thank you, uh members on the commission, and thank you for being here.

Uh, when I look at this commission, I don't see you guys like the other commissions.

I think you guys have a more important duty to the people.

Um thing I'd like to see from you guys is I'd like to see a change in your website so that we can uh possibly have some contact information for you guys.

Um if I want to let you alert you to something in the community, I really don't see how I do that via the website, so maybe it's something you guys can push for.

Um, consistent with the purpose of this commission under section 2.110.02, I'm asking for your help in developing a department policy where um, and I've said this before, this department should be producing some monthly, clearly understandable stats around rapes, burglaries, robberies, homicide, stolen vehicles, assault uh with guns, felony, assault, misdemeanor, assaults, and domestic violence.

Uh they produce a lot of numbers, but uh they can be confusing, and I don't think they're truly telling of what the people need to know to understand what's going on.

Next, um I have to bring this to you first because I would like to see a policy change regarding this commission and an amendment to section 2.110.03, where it adds a section B1, which will say, quote, and this commission now reviews all misconduct investigations of police staff, volunteers, and contracted service presiders, providers not generated by citizens' complaints, because I think as a citizen, your charge is too limited.

There's stuff going on in the police department that you guys, at least by discharge, may never get to look at I'm shifting gears here a little bit.

So on uh February 27th, NBC News reported that a man was breaking into an occupied home in downtown Sacramento, but the police never responded, despite the caller's frantic call.

And ultimately the guy went away.

When I heard this story, I was shocked because there's nothing more important than the police protecting citizens and keeping them out of harm's way.

Now, the only explanation I ever heard about this, the police never responded to this call was the police spokesman who speculated that maybe there were some other priority calls happening, which is why the police never responded.

And that's that's the only thing I've ever heard about it.

So I think this commission should be just as interested as I am in getting the answers to the following questions regarding that call.

What were the staffing levels 15 minutes before that call?

What were they one minute before that call?

And what were the staffing levels at the time of the call?

And across the city, where were all the officers 30 seconds after that call came in, including the sergeants, the lieutenants, and the captains.

You should want to know how many times was that call broadcasted to the officers?

And what sergeant acknowledged the call.

And as a question, uh, did we ask for assistance from an outside agency?

And if not, why not?

You know, maybe there was a CHP officer available, maybe there was a sheriff deputy available.

But uh If you guys haven't are not aware of this particular call, I'm talking about again.

CBS News reported it on February 27th.

Um the victim in the call just describes you know a very scary, desperate situation as this guy's kicking in her front door.

And I'm telling you, when you look at this thing, no one responded.

That's a major problem that somebody ought to answer.

And this is why I think you guys are here.

I'm gonna say it again.

No one responded to somebody's hand.

My door is being busted in.

This is a real call.

You guys should be concerned about that.

You guys should be answering asking some questions to the police department, and somebody should explain this.

They should explain in detail what happened.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Harry.

All right.

Are there any other folks to speak?

No, that was our last speaker for matters not on the agenda.

All right, we will now proceed to the discussion calendar.

Item number three is the military equipment usage forum reflections and presentation.

Um, this is going to be kind of a two-part discussion.

We're going to have a brief presentation from Captain Buchanan, um, kind of summarizing what was presented at the MEU forum.

And I have also sent out also sent out the report to folks, so now is your time to ask any questions from your review of the report, and we will have discussion on that.

So here we go.

That's for the authors.

Uh that's yeah, that's for the next one.

Okay, for uh good good evening, uh commissioners uh Clay Buchanan and Captain Second of Police Department.

Um glad to be here tonight.

First, uh, I wanted to break this down as talking to the chair about kind of um the steps we've taken so far with getting our uh report on the transparency page in the middle of June, then moving forward to the town of the committee, the community commission meeting on the town hall, which was till July 16th at Oak Park Community Center.

Um I'm happy to report back, and if you guys haven't watched it, it's up it's on our transparency page and available for you.

But the majority of the comments that were made during that were in support of the MEU policy moving forward and the police department using military equipment.

Um I'm gonna go through some changes in the report this year just so you guys have a quick overview and then uh take some questions if you have them.

Um on the commission of the town hall, I would just want to thank uh the Ipsy staff and the IT staff for and my staff for uh going there and providing the uh the community meeting, and along with the police commissioners.

Um the changes we made to this year's report.

The most of the changes that we have made this year are based on recommendations from council and commission and the community.

This is the first report that we were able to provide comparable use usage data.

Charts of comparative data will include military equipment use in each district, PD and council districts, the reasons for use, the demographic graphics of subjects involved, age of the subjects involved, and we also added appendix C of the report.

Appendic C is it covers the questions that the police commission wanted us to answer when we intended to purchase new equipment.

Another new item that we added was the call initiation comparable data.

This dead data provides a snapshot of why or how officers became involved in interaction.

It covers calls for service, which was the largest incident type, follow-up for call for service, officer initiated, which were only 35, and outside site agency assist.

The last change I would like would like to discuss is the linking of policies to the annual report and policy.

We have provided a link to the policy page of our transparency page.

This was what was a recommendation from the community.

Um the recommendation was it was too hard when reading through the the policy to locate or the annual report and policy to locate other policies that were related.

Uh it was in we cannot link individual policies to it.

So each one has a link to our master table on the transparency page where they could find that policy.

So they have to do a little bit of work, but it takes the steps of getting there, so it's just a hyperlink to it.

Because if we try to link it to each of an individual policy per IT staff, that link breaks continuously, so then we would be actually doing the opposite, and they're going to be going to a broken link.

So the main one usually stays and doesn't uh have that issue.

Um a little bit out about usage details.

During the current reporting period of May 1st, 2024 to April 30th, 25, the department responded to 142,246 calls for service, where an officer arrived at at the scene and handled the call.

Um we also had 57,023 officer initiated contacts.

So out of the approximately 200,000 police responses, military equipment was involved on 398 of those.

During those 398 instances, 1205 pieces of equipment were utilized.

This is this number could be confusing to due to the detailed way that we just statistically track the use.

For example, if an officer uses a Pebble ball launcher, that would be one.

And a discharge uh discharge 40 pepper balls, that would be 40.

This would equate to 41 uses during one incident.

Um the uncrewed aerial system or drone was the highest utilized piece of military equipment at 557 with armor armed vehicles being the third highest at 165, which is representative of approximately 60% of the usage.

There was a drastic increase in you at the drones due to a pilot project that we conducted where we utilize drone as first responder for police and fire response.

So I think what the highlight there is we had this pilot project, what drone first responder is they um would launch to a call for service before officers would even arrive on scene.

They would keep the cameras to the horizon once they got over um over side over top of a uh the call, then they would start giving updated information to our officers as they're arriving.

Um and we also used it for fire purposes too.

During the 398 incidents where military equipment was used, there were only 12 reportable use of forced incidents.

The youngest person involved in a reportable use of force dissident was 27 years old.

So no military equipment was used on anybody that was a juvenile.

This year, that's the proposed acquisitions.

This year our intended purchases are mainly replenishment of items due to them being expended, or they have reached the end of their shelf life.

A new model of the US UAS is the only new purchase.

The intended purchases have already been budgeted for, and we're not asking for additional funding.

Um we had a question.

Um I asked the vice chair and the chair if they had any concerns or questions about the military usage.

And the vice chair um quote me if I get this wrong, manual, but uh our commissioner winner's show.

Um he asked how the department communicates with the public safety when any of this equipment is deployed invisible.

Um I'm gonna break it down.

Not every piece is updated like daily, monthly, summer, I'll just updated the end of in our in our annual report, but I'm gonna go through that whole process.

The specific specific the specifics I can't even talk about the specifics of each incident of military equipment use is documented in appendix B of the annual military equipment use report.

This includes the call number, the subject demographics, equipment that was used, its reason for use, and the inclusion of that incident.

Although only reported at the end of each reporting year, this data represents detailed information related to each particular use of military equipment by the police department.

Let's talk about how we report on drones for the community.

There's a website called airdata.com.

The Sacramento Police Department utilizes airdata.com for its uncrew aerial systems.

Umas or drones are the most utilized piece of MEU for from this year's reporting period.

After each flight of an SPD UAS or drone, the operator provides a report via air data.

This report includes the location, no specific addresses, just block number to protect privacy, the date, time, report, and summary of the event.

This information is immediately available via link on the SPD transparent transparency page for the public to review.

And that is uh HTTPS app.air data.com slash use slash spd UAS.

Umor deployments are the third most utilized piece of equipment from this year's reporting period.

The Sacramento Police Department makes notifications to community via the department's RAVE system whenever arm is deployed on police incident.

This includes a notification via phone and text to a one block by one block radius around the incident with details as to the reason that the armored vehicles were deployed and when the situation has resolved.

So and the other big chip big change in the question that the chair had was about the timeline.

We all know this timeline is a crunch for everybody, right?

It's during council break vacation, it's during budget season.

So we're really focused on getting this timeline fixed.

And I know the city auditor is going to talk a little bit about it in their findings also.

But um, just to give you kind of update where we're at, we do have a two options the city attorney has reviewed where we have decided.

Well, we think we have a decision on one, but we have to vet that a little bit better.

And the way that process is gonna work is we're gonna take the that to LNL, the law and legislation committee to have that vetted by them back to you guys to have you guys review it, and then we'll take it to council and move that forward.

So it should correct the issue that we're having now, and we should be able to get that.

I believe without any unseen hurdles, we could get that done in the next couple months, two to three months.

So that'll be a huge win for the city and for us and the commission and our community if we could get that done.

And then the lastly, what you'll hear from uh after meeting is the city auditors' offices is here tonight, and they're gonna do their uh a report back.

They just they do have some findings, and we did concur with all of their findings.

So I won't go into details because they're gonna give their own presentation.

So, any questions.

Oh, I'm sorry.

Like looking at folks, and there's a uh let's see, Commissioner Lewis.

Thank you.

Uh thank you, Captain Bradford.

I appreciate your help um and getting our forum together and your help on that day.

And um for everybody who was there, that delicious pizza that I had never had before, that was really, really good from is it Louis?

Is it Luigi's?

Luigi's, yeah, okay.

That was great, Jim.

Um I we appreciated the presentation um that day and the slideshow and all of that.

Um a question that occurred to me afterwards was you had made a comment about the location that the drones are sometimes able to get to a scene or a call faster than um a person was.

Does that mean that we have like drone stations or parking lots all over the city or no?

That was a that was a pilot project.

They do, as you see in our UAS request request purchase, there's new ones to purchase that they're called the drone first drone for the first responder program.

And though they actually have docking stations.

So when we purchase that that equipment, it's actually we're purchasing three things the the drone itself, a docking station, and the software to operate it.

Okay because it has to be able to talk the doc the docking stations back and forth.

And it'd be useful.

We don't currently utilize that.

We utilized it for I think was uh the trial period, I think was 30 days that we did it, and then so it's just a 30-day period where we tried to do that without purchasing it.

We did it kind of in a different way.

We had drone operators on the roof of a fire station, and they were actually going to call for service before officers were arrived.

Gotcha.

And it was just that one area.

Okay, just that one area up in the in district two.

That's why you see those big that large spark spike numbers there.

But we don't currently have the DFR program right now, our drone first responder program.

Gotcha.

Okay, thank you.

That was my question.

All right, thank you, Commissioner Lewis.

Commissioner Buen Rostro.

Just a quick question.

Um, really appreciate the information about the the communication.

Um, I I remember in in the forum, there was a community member that asked um, like if if if a street is blocked and there's an incident happening, obviously there's there's clear guidelines to what can be shared about what's happening in that incident.

But for a community member that just wants to know um, you know, what's happening or get more information.

Uh, I remember there was a number that they could call or a webpage that they could yeah.

Um well our PIAO has updates for so any of our we're linked to all of our social media accounts, and if it's a large event like that, a lot of time, not gonna say all the time, but a lot of the times our our public information office will be will have updates on our Twitter and our other social media accounts.

Um but if if the case of the like I think we're you're talking about the person that said, hey, I was blocked in inside this, I didn't know I'd get in.

That they they should be able to call the non-emergency number and get some information, like hey, can I get out as an officer that could ask me or score escort me out?

Each situation is gonna be different, but that's like that would be my recommendation of them just call the non-emergency number and get the information they need at the time because I don't want them walking out in a potentially dangerous area or operation.

All right, thank you, Commissioner Buen Rostro, Commissioner Corps.

Here uh thank you for that presentation.

I was not able to be at the meeting, but I did go back and watch the video, so thank you for making that available.

And my take-home from that, I thought there was two very relevant questions that were asked.

And if people did not have the opportunity to watch the video, I would love it if you can just answer those questions.

And the first one was by Mr.

Johnson that asked, you know, why are we calling this military equipment?

If you want to answer that, and then I'll get to the next question.

Yeah, uh military equipment is the is what the legislation has defined it as.

Um, so it's it's I can't we can't change what they define military equipment as um when it comes to the state of California.

A lot of it is stuff you the other drones you could buy on the open market as a civilian and use them in your yards if you have the correct licensing.

But yeah, it's good, it's what the legislators have had to dictate it to us what we have to deem military equipment.

Okay, so none of the equipment that SAC PD uses is made for the military.

Uh there's there there are some, but majority no, like like the rifles, yes, the the military uses those robots, they're the same robots, but the majority of the equipment is for public uh safety and law enforcement purposes.

But I can't I don't quote me on that because there may be some stuff that are used in the military police application that when they're stateside or doing embassy protection.

I don't know.

I'm I'm not gonna I've been out of the military for almost 20 years now, so I'm not gonna talk on what they're using or not using.

But when I was in, I did not use any of the other equipment.

Okay.

And then the second question that was asked, and I thought was a really um like a thought-provoking question was that under the military equipment umbrella is the drones, the beanbag guns, the pepper balls, those are all considered de-escalation equipment.

So if city council or if the commission went to city council and said we do not recommend this, but if city council then voted no on this, what would be the alternative if the police department was not able to have this de-escalation equipment?

Yeah, I don't want to speculate what what could happen, but I could give you kind of a situation, maybe I said at the meeting too, is if we didn't have our armored vehicles that have been shot out with our officers in and they were protected and didn't have to fire back, then the only option for them to do is return fire and potentially um you know injure any community member, so or a suspect.

So if you didn't have this de-escalation equipment, the only option then would be to potentially use lethal force.

Yeah, depending on the situation, yes.

That's what less lethal was made for.

That was such a take-home message for me that, and I don't know if anybody else has comments about that, but you know, we talk about military equipment, but it's all these de-escalation equipment that's under that umbrella, and I wish they could kind of separate that, but they can't, so it's either all or nothing.

And um, so anyways, thank you for sharing that.

Thank you, Commissioner Corbes.

I'm gonna skip to Commissioner Johnson.

Kevin McCann, thank you very much for um your presentation today, and then thank you for very much for the having the team with you to help us out for our community event that was very well informed, and um, I'm sure we got a lot out of that on that evening.

My question for you um is that is the drone um is that under a special unit, um, a special unit that's um that has to be staffed um or is looking continue to to have staffing to beef up staffing.

Um how does that work?

Yeah, so so yes, there are their own unit, they fall under our metro division, which is under our office of specialized services.

Um they're not a large full-time unit, they have a lot of answer ancillary positions, which has been very beneficial for the the city and the department because with your ancillary uh pilot drone pilots, a lot of them work patrol.

So they're carrying drones and and and their patrol the back of the troll vehicles for when these incidents occur to basically not rush us into a situation, but to slow it down in the essence of de-escalation.

So a lot of times they'll be the first ones asked to enter to the scene of the area first or to try to get there ahead of time, maybe to make sure they can kind of set things up and have things ready for when every else arrives.

Yeah, correct.

So if if a situation were to occur, like actively incur on the streets, then the watch commander or the sergeant could request any drone operators that are UAS operators that are working that that shift are on on duty, and they could come over and they could start working the problem immediately and hopefully getting more intelligence from via the cameras to see what is going on to build a better, safer plan to re to respond.

Now, do we use them during um investigations?

Um ongoing investigations into an area where something may have happened.

We we use them for numerous things.

We use them to search for missing people, missing children.

Um, we use them to do um our photos for overhead, like if we have a major crime like a homicider or a a large crime where we need an overhoad overhead picture of it, and we're that's seaming as fuel bringing a helicopter out or calling a helicopter in if we need it.

It's just that they're really just an extremely valuable tool for the city.

Thank you, sir.

Looks like I have the last comment.

No, I don't.

Commissioner Corbes, go ahead.

Did someone else have a comment?

Oh, just I do I do, so go ahead.

Um there we go.

Thank you.

Um I know um, and I think um Commissioner Sample is gonna get into this about what our roles and responsibilities are as commissioners on this um on this commission.

Uh I know after I was able to watch the video, I sent um my commissioner, my city council member along with Rick Griggs together, we sent to both our city council um representatives about what happened at the meeting and our recommendations, and I know that city council is going to be voting on this tomorrow night.

And so I I I don't want to put anybody on the spot, but I'm just wondering if anybody else has had the opportunity to let their city council members know, and if there's anybody that um as a commission, are we fully supporting the MEU their equipment, or is this something we need to discuss?

I know it's not something we vote on.

So I'm just wondering how we move forward from that.

Um my best answer for that is uh I believe folks did share with their city council members and um for my city council member, we had someone from their office at the meeting.

And uh we are not intending to delay, stop, um, hold back the report, we will be in support of it tomorrow at the so everybody from the commission is in support.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay, thank you.

Welcome.

Commissioner Buen Rostro, then Commissioner Johnson.

I'll just briefly respond to that question.

I mean, I I would say when it comes to the report, we we're supporting it.

Just uh, and and one of the things I just want to say is we appreciate the department's um the department putting together the forum and being able to get community feedback.

But what I what I did want to say and what I communicated with my council members that as we think about military equipment, it's really about not just looking at the label, but understanding what the equipment, if there's an issue with an equipment or there's concerns, it's not just looking at okay, the department has X amount of military equipment and judging it just based on that, but understanding you know looking deeper at the data and understanding the purpose of it.

Um, and I would say that's important for the public to understand.

For me, that was some uh a takeaway from this, and that it's not just looking at the label.

A lot of this military equipment is for defensive purposes, it's for safety purposes.

Um, and then if there's something in the future that comes up that is concerning for the public, it's it's to be taken on a case-by-case basis.

But I would say from my perspective, um, I don't think there's a recommendation coming from me saying that we should get rid of all military equipment for the police department because if you look at the list, um quite a bit of it is is useful, quite a bit of it is for public safety.

So I don't think that's a recommendation that I would support.

Um, and it all depends on on the individual cases.

Uh, if there's a reconcern from the public.

Um I'm back um since last year on this report.

And um, the department has been very responsive to taking our feedback and including it in the report, and I want to appreciate that on the commission tonight.

Um is there anybody else on this topic?

Um, I just say that um I was able to um brief, debrief our um our councilman a couple of weeks ago in regards to the MUE, and um he was very well um up to date on what happened going on because he had had his own book and um we talked about the de-escalation, especially when it came down to the drones, and we felt that district two was a very helpful for us district two, because some areas in district two are so small to get to and so small to get around in that the drones really help out a lot um keeping the traffic down and keeping the um the areas blocked off where the um the police department needs to get into.

So thank you very much.

Okay, and then I guess for kind of is there commissioner Johnson?

Do you have something else?

Or no, okay.

Um the last comment on this then is I just want to give my appreciation to um Commissioners Lewis, Johnson, and Plan Rostro who joined me at the forum.

I may I appreciate your help in staffing that um as I said, we appreciate that you've taken our feedback and kind of incorporated into the report and listened to us.

I think that's important, and I think that's a step forward from where we have been in the past.

So I do appreciate that.

And I think it's an important discussion we'll have going forward um around changing the timeline.

I think if we change the timeline, that'll provide for more engagement, more feedback, more discussion, not only amongst this commission, but amongst the public.

So I'm glad that we've identified that as a problem and that we are looking at solutions to fixing that.

So thank you.

Yeah, and I look forward to presenting to you guys on that.

So thank you.

Awesome.

All right.

Um I did this backwards because I don't have the script.

But clerk, are there any members of the public who wish to speak on this item?

Thank you.

Uh there are no speaker slips for this item.

All right, thank you.

Um, so we have no more speakers.

So this item is uh uh review, discuss, and provide feedback.

So no vote is required.

We will move on to the next item.

Um, our next item is the audit of the Sacramento Police Department's military equipment use policy and inventory practices.

I will start by asking if there are any members of the public who wish to speak on this item.

Thank you.

I have no speaker slips on this item either.

All right, then I would like to invite the auditors department to come up and give us their presentation.

This is a review and comment action.

Okay.

Well, uh, good evening, members of the Sacramento Community Police Review Commission.

Uh, my name's Kevin Christensen.

I'm the assistant city auditor for the city auditor's office.

Uh we're here to present our audit of the Sacramento Police Department's military equipment use policy and inventory practices.

Our audit has four findings and nine recommendations.

Uh, before we get started with me here tonight is our city auditor for Sharari and policy analyst Ricardo Sanchez Molinero, who was the lead on the project.

So in this presentation, we'll give you some background, we'll walk you through the findings and the recommendations, and then we'll be available for any questions that you all may have.

No.

Do we have a uh wing it here?

Okay.

Um so uh the California legislature approved A B 481 in September of 2021 in an effort to increase the transparency of police purchase and the use of military equipment.

Oh, all right.

And to provide uh greater authority to local government agencies uh to govern how the military equipment is used in in their communities.

Um the law included four principal requirements for local law enforcement agencies in the state in order to purchase and continue to use this equipment.

So the first requirement was to publicly issue a policy stating the authorized uses and proposed acquisitions of the military military equipment.

The second, the law requires law enforcement agencies to publish an annual equipment use report to include a summary of how the equipment was used, the purpose of the use, and equipment inventory.

Third, local law enforcement agencies are required to hold at least one community engagement meeting to afford the public an opportunity to discuss and ask questions regarding the military uh use equipment, the uh the use of the equipment and the policy, and finally the local government agencies determining the necessity, determine the the necessity of the equipment and uh sufficiency of the policy.

So govern so the local governing bodies are required to review and adopt uh an ordinance approving the funding acquisition and use of the military equipment.

Um after performing a benchmarking review, which is something that we typically do in our audits where we look at how other agencies are working to comply with the law, um, we tried to determine how similarly sized local law enforcement agencies across the state are working to implement these AP 481 requirements.

Um what we found was a lot of variability in how these agencies are taking steps to comply.

Uh in researching the legislative history of AB 481 and different compliance efforts by local law enforcement and governing agencies throughout the state, we found limited information concerning processes to actually enforce the law.

So, for example, at the time we completed the audit, we found that there was no penalty or remedy for violations stated in the law itself.

Uh second, we found that no courts have ruled finding a violation of AB 481 by a local law enforcement agency.

And third, we found that no cities had revoked a local law enforcement agency's ability to use the military equipment.

So, to the extent that we included information regarding the compliance by other agencies, this information is presented to provide context on steps that these other municipalities are taking to comply with the law.

So, in terms of the findings, so first we found that the department is taking considerable strides in augmenting its reporting and community outreach programming to comply with AB 481.

So, first, we found that the department had released an annual military equipment policy through General Order 410.06 update per the requirements of 481.

So this is the policy on how the military equipment is used.

Second, we found that the department has obtained the approval of the city of the city council for its military use policy.

Third, we found that the department has issued several annual military equipment reports that include information and disclosures required by A B 481, including the summary of how the military equipment is used, the results of internal audits that have been done, and to and included uh equipment inventories.

And finally, the department had complied with A B 481 requirements to hold community meetings following the issuance of the annual uh annual equipment military use report.

So for our second finding, I think Captain Buchanan uh touched on this a little bit.

Um our second finding we focused on the timing of A B 481 approvals.

Um so A B 481 requires the annual approval of a military equipment use policy by the governing body here at the city council to allow for the continued use of military equipment.

This renewal process includes a series of required actions to be conducted by the department prior by prior to approval by the city council.

So it was as part of the annual process, the department is required to publish and submit to the governing body an annual military equipment use report and hold a community engagement meeting within 30 days of publicly issuing that report.

And second, the the department has to submit a proposed policy and make those documents available on their website at least 30 days prior to any public hearing concerning the military equipment use at issue.

So it's you just have a number of different um a number of different benchmarks that have to be met there.

So as you guys have learned, um the concern with the current timelines revolve around the fact that under the current practices, the department must receive approval of the policy within one year of the prior year's policy approval by the council, right?

So this there's that one year kind of flag planted there.

Historically, the department has gone before council two weeks before this deadline in uh the deadline established the prior year to allow one more regular meeting available in the event that their policy is not approved in the first meeting, right?

So you have this this uh this function where the one-year meeting is set and then they meet before to allow any some time in case anything needs to be clarified.

So, based on that interpretation of law and a series of events that took place during the first year that the policy was in place, as the slide indicates, the timeline has been contracting for year after year.

So in the second year, it contracted eight days, in the second year it was 18 days, and in the third day it was it was 25 days.

So if this pattern continues, the days between the approval of the military equipment use policy and the average time it takes to complete the report and conduct the required community engagement will be fewer each year.

So eventually, what we found is in about seven years by 2023, the timeline will have been so the timeline will have become so condensed that meeting the timeline may not even be possible.

Um we recommended the department develop a modified implementation timeline in consultation with the community and the city attorney's office to address this this contracting timeline issue.

So the new implementation timeline should contemplate providing adequate time for council to consider any relevant information and uh and uh receive ample community input.

Now, our third finding, we focus on areas that may benefit from clarification from the city council.

So in approving A B 41, the state legislature wrote into the law a provision that authorizes local governing agencies uh to implement additional requirements for their local law enforcement agencies.

So basically, what the there is what the law requires, and then local governing agencies are given the opportunity to go farther should they deem that necessary.

Here we found the city council has provided direction to the department on a series of issues that we believe can be further clarified through a formal legislative process.

First, we found as described in the second finding, stakeholders have felt an inadequate amount of time is provided to receive, digest, and respond to the larger large bodies of information provided through this process.

Um we believe the city council, following the resolution of this timeline issue, can host a process to more carefully define the preferred structure of community engagement efforts.

And I think what we're envisioning here is a discussion with groups like this to determine how much time you guys would need to receive this information, meet on your own, and make and make recommendations.

Second, we found that the direction related to the reporting of use can be clarified.

We found that while the department has taken significant efforts to augment the reporting of reported use in its annual reports, there are still some metrics that can be clarified.

Third, we found that consensus can be achieved through engaging in a more robust legislative process to determine information that should be included related to the authorized uses and perhaps prohibited uses of specific types of military equipment.

And finally, in response to a recommendation from community stakeholders, the city council can provide more directions about about information required be provided in the annual reports and the general orders to allow them to make A B 481 required determinations.

So now finally, our last finding addresses uh Sacramento Police Department's and uh military equipment use inventory or military equipment inventory processes.

This is more like the nuts and bolts internal control stuff that that auditors really get into.

Um A B 41 requires as part of the annual military equipment report.

Law enforcement agencies include the inventory for each type of military equipment that that it possesses.

The department is has conducted and published the results of multiple inventory counts as part of its A B 481 processes.

In certain instances, the department has returned before the city council to update to include unaccounted for equipment from previous inventory counts.

So what that basically means is that they they published their inventory and then they found stuff later that wasn't included.

So they would come back to the city council to basically augment the inventory numbers.

So what we found here was that the department employs a decentralized inventory management system, right?

Where controls can vary depending on the type of military equipment and the department leadership overseeing the unit in possession of the equipment.

So for example, the SWAT team has very different inventory controls over the kinds of equipment it has rather uh than uh than like the firing range does.

So what you see is operationally, the police department is broken up into divisions and operational units across the city.

Now, what we found is that not that these in many instances, they just have very different policies on how they collect inventory and track it.

So in our work, we attempted, but we're unable to reconcile current equipment counts to inventory to invoices in the system.

Basically, we try to find all the inventory, all the invoices for any military purchase and try to track down whether or not this equipment still still existed in V in the inventory.

So, due to the inventory management system, current record keeping practices and the reliability of finding records in the citywide database, the department faced challenges in establishing a total inventory, as did we.

So, as just as discussed in the finding, this will likely result in the department locate locating equipment and updating its annual inventory to reflect this.

In other words, they may keep finding stuff as people retire, as they um and things like this, and as long as they continue to augment the inventory list and be transparent with the city council, um, we think they're moving in the right direction.

So that said, the department's inventory count corrections over the years have partially been due to the inventory improvements it through these practices.

Um the department has tasked their inspections and standards team with implementing changes to the inventory management system to improve the accuracy of their inventory counts.

Addly, the ISC has created a system that allows the allows the department to track the purchases of new equipment by analyzing all of the equipment purchases to ensure the correct identification of new military equipment coming into the department and track it as it moves its way through.

So we made a series of recommendations uh to this finding to help improve the reporting, inventory, and monitoring of the equipment across the different divisions and units.

So we believe that through improved inventory counts and established inventory records, the department will be able to implement best practices and ensure accurate and consistent inventory counts moving forward.

So these recommendations will now be followed through our biannual recommendation follow-up process.

Um this concludes my presentation, and I'm available to answer any questions should you have any.

Thank you, Chair.

I have no speaker slips for item four.

Thank you for very much for your um your comments and your presentation.

Um so this just confirms of what um we were talking about and was discussed um with the question from the community um in regards to the inventory that the police department has.

Um is it recyclable enough?

Is it reused or um but you made it straightforward to us that how it's new is brought in, old is totally completely put out, put away, uh, not to be used at all, and um constantly record keeping updated through the databases.

So it kind of confirms what you talked about, sir uh Captain McCannon at the meeting.

So thank you very much.

I appreciate that.

Thank you, Commissioner Johnson.

Are there any other commissioners who'd like to speak on this item?

All right, hearing none, thank you so much for your report.

We appreciate your time and the work that you're doing with.

Thank you.

Thank you.

All right, with that, we will move to the next item on our agenda, our ad hoc committee report backs, and we will review and discuss progress reports from the ad hoc committees.

I'm going to start with the engagement and function committee.

Commissioner Sample.

Right.

Thank you very much, Chair, and uh fellow members of the commission.

So I just want to just kind of report back on our uh ad hoc committee.

Uh first of all, I want to thank the chair for passing out information and the application for the patrol right-along program, which is an aspect of our uh onboarding uh for new commissioners.

So just want to just share a few things that uh we talked about.

The first one is uh really looking at how we can improve our onboarding uh as well as professional learning plans for uh new commissioners.

Uh going back to the thoughts that when many of us joined, there was not a uh formalized process.

So our ad hoc committee uh has already reached out to um Captain Buchanan and others to really look at what are some of those key things that you would want commissioners to go out to to interact with uh to learn more, and so um we are excited about that work.

It is our plan to uh hopefully uh bring back a presentation to this uh full group at the September I guess I'm right, September meeting, um, with kind of a presentation of what we would think a onboarding could look like for new commissioners.

Um the other item that we uh discussed uh from our uh work plan is looking at the to determine the outstanding previous year recommendations from 21, 22, and 23 uh to prioritize uh and our update for city council uh as well as for our report.

Uh our uh ad hoc would like to suggest that we start with the most current recommendations that were in the last work plan and begin to work since this uh group would not have had access or knowledge of the context uh with the previous ones, and so uh that will be a recommendation that we would be bringing, especially as we look at developing the new uh work plan recommendations.

We also noticed that within the previous recommendations, there were a lot of areas where um SPD had either responded or at least gave an answer to those recommendations, whether they could be implemented or maybe they weren't able to be implemented.

So uh we definitely felt that.

In terms of clarifying the purpose, powers, and duties, uh, which kind of dovetails to working with the city council to establish care consistent processes.

Uh we uh discussed our relationship and our ability to as commissioners begin to build that bridge with our city council member, and so uh we also hope to bring some recommendations to this group of ways that we can, and I think you may have just heard uh even with the military uh equipment use, uh, our responsibility to reach out to our council member to be that voice of the community so that we begin to build that uh deeper relationship.

And then finally, uh we've been busy.

We talked about um again how we kind of clarify the powers in our workings and figure out how we can do more with the youth voice and PD, recognizing that that continues to be a gap uh for us and the work that we are trying to do.

So uh we did have some suggestions, so Karen, you want to share a little bit.

Thank you for that.

Um, I do want to just say one thing before we get on to talking about how to um talk about our our youth here in the city.

As far as the onboarding goes, I've already reached out to Captain Buchanan and he's already sent me some information, so we will be able to discuss this at our next ad hoc meeting and then come fully prepared in September to share some findings on that about how we can all go about learning a little bit more about being on this commission and just jumping in.

Um but so the second thing, and I really like this idea uh about um how do we engage our our youth here in the city to um to either work with the Sacramento Police Department, have a better relationship with the Sacramento Police Department, and we're gonna call on Commissioner Brookins over there because we know that he um is with brother to brother.

Is that correct?

And that maybe you could help us um find someone that would be willing to come to our commission and speak to us about that, or if you're willing to do that yourself, but we really think that that's something um important that we'd really like to look at.

Um I think none of us are happy when we wake up and hear on the news about you know some of the the young men and women in our city that are at risk and finding themselves in problems, and we would love to be able to figure out how we can help towards that.

So I don't know if uh if you have any questions or if there's anything that you'd like to add, or if we can reach out to you offline and find out how we can somehow work together on that.

Uh sure, I'd be willing to come and speak with the uh ad hoc committee.

Okay.

Perfect.

Well, we already have a date set.

We'll share that date with you.

Okay.

And uh finally, um, oh, that's uh that's our final item.

So that is the end of our report.

We'll be more than happy to answer any questions.

Thank you so much.

Um uh grateful that you've put in some work over the summer and had discussions, and I look forward to hearing what we have to say in this in September.

I'd like to um just offer to also maybe reach out to OPSA when it comes to um training and onboarding.

I know that their office has offered to help with that as well.

So um I'm just gonna suggest that we reach out to OPSA and Jody is here from their office.

All right, thank you.

All right.

Um, I think we're gonna I think the way we have to do this is all the reports and then the questions.

So um we will move on then to the community policing and response efficiency committee.

Commissioner Lewis.

Okay.

So first of all, I would like to thank the other members um on the um ad hoc.

Thank you guys for we had like a short period of time to make the MEU happen along with um Dr.

Buchanan, and we pulled it off.

So thank you guys for all of your work.

I know one of the things that we had also discussed was um I was able to get access to a lot of the traffic data and aggregating that, and we were talking about doing um a community forum on traffic safety, um, also working with the traffic division of SAC PD, particularly in the areas that are we're seeing higher numbers than anywhere else, and or for particular violations, whatever they may be in particular areas.

Um, and I believe now that we've kind of can read from this, that will be our next uh focus is traffic traffic safety.

And that's all that I have.

All right.

Excuse me, I'm fighting allergies tonight.

Thank you, Commissioner Lewis, and our third committee is the resource allocation and efficiency at impacting public safety committee.

Commissioner Buen Rostro.

And um I would say we have nothing new to report for this one, but I look forward to um uh a great report uh at the next meeting.

Um I think we have good examples of the work that other committees are doing, so uh we'll be able to follow up next week.

I mean next month.

Thank you, Commissioner Bon Rustro.

All right.

Um are there clerk?

Are there any members of the public who wish to speak on this item?

Thank you, Chair.

I do have one speaker slip, Mr.

Henry Harry.

All right, Mr.

Harry.

Thank you guys again for being here.

Um let's see.

I want to quote the commissioner sample.

Um he said, quote, uh to be that voice uh of the community, I guess I think in relation when he's talking to the council member.

And that hit home with me because I think it's kind of the key of to uh of what I'm saying here about um I think you have a charge to help the citizens communicate with the council and the police department to achieve something.

So um I'm really looking at this engagement function.

I said it in the beginning, I'll say it again.

Um maybe these committees, this overall committee and the subcommittee can do more with your website when I go to the website is kind of flat, uh not engaging.

Uh so I would suggest maybe some videos on the main site and your subcommittee sites that pull people in as to the history and why we're here, and they don't have to be long, but uh I know some of you guys can remember certainly um I'm gonna call them right the protests in Sacramento, and and that's you know why we're here.

But this website, I hope you guys can see is really flat and it's not engaging.

Um I would like to see you guys do a little bit more with your minutes, make them a little more detailed to explain to people what happened.

I'll just leave that at that, but I do believe uh a little more detail in your minutes might uh help people to understand what's going on here.

Um two things that I'm gonna wrap this up, tying together.

Um as I come here as a citizen, I believe your charge is to help me deal with policy, try and implement policy.

So what's the mechanism to to make that happen?

And this is what I mean.

If I come here and I say to you, I'd like to see a policy change on a pink stripe being added to the police uniform.

Do you guys just get to nod at me and say, Well, that's that's a you know, you got an idea.

Thank you very much, and bye.

Or at some point, do you have to say to your other commission members, hey, you know, the guy made a recommendation, we need to discuss it and tell him yes or no.

Or we're gonna pin that some type of acknowledgement that a legitimate request has been made, and I think you guys have to take some action.

I don't think you get to get to do like uh uh city council and just nod and say, Oh, yeah, thank you very much and go away.

Uh I think your charge, at least when I read it, it's saying you're here to help me attempt to implement the policy.

You can reject it, but I think at some point you guys ought to look at some legitimate um requests from the citizens, and then amongst yourself, say, hey, we're gonna go left, we're gonna go right, but we can't just be neutral and and just say, hey, the citizen came and spoke and let's send him on his way.

Um something for discussion.

Um with that, um I think that's it.

Thank you guys very much for being here.

Thank you, Mr.

Harry.

Um, thank you for coming tonight and sharing your concerns.

I do want to acknowledge that we heard you.

I'd also like to encourage that you can reach out to us, you know, you can write to us, that kind of thing with more detail about specific um policy suggestions that you may have, and that would help us have a frame of reference to work off of.

Um not being a live guy club.

We don't think so.

Any one of you, I don't know.

If I've seen an email address that says I can contact Mr.

Sample, I know you're neutral, but I don't see how uh no phone number, so we're not share my information with you.

But that's the point.

Um thank you for your comments, sir.

Okay.

Um I'll give you our address when we're done.

Thank you.

All right.

Um are there any commissioners who wish to speak on the ad hoc report back items.

Commissioner Lewis.

I have a question, and it may not necessarily be for you, but it's about your topic.

Is when I first became a commissioner, I had filled out the whole thing for the ride-along.

Who who do we follow up with that?

Because I had done that already.

I just didn't know.

I need to follow up with you about the ride along.

Just reach out to me and I'll take care of it.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Captain Buchanan's like garter.

Go to do it all.

I'm your lady's all right.

Um, any other questions or comments on our ad hoc report back?

Uh Commissioner Corbs and then Commissioner Buen Rostro.

The only thing I was gonna add is I really like your idea about the um traffic and all of that.

And I don't know if this would I'm just suggest I mean a suggestion, but I don't even know if this is uh adequate.

Because you know the city does have an active transportation department.

Yes, and so maybe they might be able to work with you as well.

I went to one of their meetings last month.

I didn't even know they existed.

So I just wanted to throw that out there.

Okay, I just want to let you know they were there.

So perfect, you're ahead of me.

Thank you.

All right, Commissioner Buen Rostra.

I'm gonna throw out a question and just so that we can be explicit.

So if if um if a community member wants to communicate with this commission, what is the best way for them to do that?

Thank you.

We um so I have an example here.

You can write us at the Sacramento Community Police Commission 915 I Street, Sacramento, California, 95814, and that will get to us.

Um that's that and coming to our meetings and giving public comment are probably the best ways to get a hold of us.

And then the second question, it's probably a broader question that I don't expect a clear answer to today, but um half commissions published like a list of commissioners with contact information in the past.

Um I'm sure there's a reason why that might not be happening or why.

Yeah, so so I'm I'm uh I'm just throwing out the question for staff.

Um, you know, what's what's a reason for that, and I can guess why the reason is.

I you know, I'm guessing there's privacy concerns, public safety concerns, but I just want to make sure that um since it was a question that was asked, um, just want to make sure that we can articulate why that might be possible or might not be possible for commissions in Sacramento.

Go ahead, Captain Buchanan.

I I don't have an answer for you, but I'm I will follow up with the IT division to see if maybe we get a general email handle for you guys, or you guys all could check it with it.

So, like we know, like maybe you know, police commission at you know, city of sacramento.org or something like that.

I don't know if it's possible because I'm definitely not an IT person, but I will ask the question for you.

Audrey L I would just chime in.

It's the clerk's office, they kind of control the emails.

So that would be a discussion that the commission can have with the clerk's office.

Uh Jacob Redberg, City Clerk's office.

So uh our office doesn't create the email addresses for folks.

There's certain commissions that staff has requested if they would like to reach out to the public, they create a their own email that is um you know kind of strictly tied to their work on the commission, and um that staff will publish that on their website.

Uh, one example being the parks and community enrichment commission.

Um they've all opted to provide a email address that so that the public can contact them.

Uh same thing with the planning and design commission as well.

Um Commissioner Brookens.

Thank you.

Um so short of public coming in and or writing a letter to the commission, like there was suggestions for the panel for the commission tonight.

Do we have a process to where someone says, you know what, that's my area.

Let me you know look at this, or it's assigned to the area to the commission that would address it.

Is there something in pro uh I don't believe there's a process in place for that, but we should totally talk about that.

Um, if folks from the public are coming and they have suggestions, we should have a process of how we follow up on that.

So I think that's a great idea, and we can discuss it right now.

Uh and uh commissioners can, if interested in um an item that the public brings up, uh add it to the follow-up log.

Uh great, thank you.

So can we add that to the follow-up log?

Okay.

Absolutely.

Um Commissioner Corbs and no.

We can't add it to the follow-up log.

You would need to um uh reiterate that point.

Like what what would you like added to the follow-up log?

Just specifically, what are you asking?

A policy that uh we would have in place to address the concerns brought up by the committee.

Thank you, sir.

And a timeline for it to be followed up.

You can't add it to the follow-up log tonight, but it could be an agenda item that you request to be on the agenda, and that you would just discuss with the chair as something that you want to add to the agenda, and we'd create a staff report, but in order to change the follow-up log, because uh tonight the follow-up log was just on for receive and file, so you can't take any action as a commission on it.

So if you want to change the follow-up log, you that's one way.

If you want to research a matter and put it on the log, it just needs to be added to the agenda as an action item, pass a motion to amend, and the chair and vice chair, you can talk to them about that, and we can add that to the agenda.

As an aside, it could be uh an agenda item that's added to the agenda for you all to discuss.

And you would just need to follow up with the chair and vice chair to do that.

Yeah, and I just would like to add to that.

Um, if you have an agenda item that you want discussed at the next meeting, feel free to reach out to me and let me know, and we can get it on there.

So, my concern is so this addressing this particular topic is two meetings away.

We add it to the agenda discuss it, then come back and so there's how many months away?

Not necessarily.

Before we able to have a policy to say so the next uh community member comes up and has concern how far we've away from having something in place to say, you know, we heard you and we'll be in touch or you know, to be able to act on it.

Well, I think your chair did that tonight by saying we heard you.

If you want to discuss it as a commission as a group as a body and make decisions on the topic, then you do need to add it to the agenda.

You cannot discuss anything that's not on the agenda under the Brown Act.

So that's why it has in a public meeting as a body.

That would be a violation of the law.

If you on your own want to have a discussion with the community member, you can you can do that on on your own kind of time, or that that's fine, but it's the it's when you want to discuss it as a body more than a quorum.

Uh or a quorum or excuse me.

That's when it needs to be added to the agenda.

Um, Audrielle, would you mind talking just a little bit about the timeline for putting the agenda for a meeting together?

I think that might be helpful for folks to hear.

Like we have a very short turnaround for being able to put the agenda together.

We literally start talking about it the very next day after this meeting, and it takes a whole month to put it together.

So it'd be, I think, helpful for you to talk about that.

I don't know what else to add other than what you've just said.

Oh okay, thank you.

It's just a very, very, very, very tight timeline.

Um, you all don't have staff yourself, so you you do the research, you put the staff reports together.

I kind of help facilitate that with the clerk's office.

Um, so like um the chair said, basically, next Monday is typically our meeting where we're discussing what items you want to have on the next month's meeting's agenda.

So you got to get it into your vice chair or chair as soon as possible.

And then um the staff reports that you see with the agenda, your chair and vice chair are putting those things together.

So you want to have some background, some information because you want to be able to tell the public basically what you're going to discuss, so they'll have enough information to say, okay, I want to actually attend the meeting so I can participate in this topic.

So which of course myself and the clerk's office assist with that, but as the chair mentioned, it's a very tight timeline.

We discuss the agenda items, and then they basically have a week, maybe a little bit more than a week, in order to get the staff reports together so that we can put it in our formal process of approval, which will go to the different well, like three different departments for approval to be added to the agenda.

Thank you.

And thank you for bringing this up, Commissioner Brookins.

Um, Commissioner Lewis.

Um, really quickly, two things.

I think what I'm hearing you say is you're not speaking about a specific incident.

You want to, you're talking about the can we get the process?

Can we discuss the process so that we can then vote on this is going to be our process for dealing?

That's what you need to tell her.

Is this we want this to be, if I'm right, be an agenda item so that next month we can discuss it, then we will have the process in place.

So then the next time a person comes and say, hey, you know, I want a pink stripe on the SAC PD's uniform, we then have a process in place to follow up.

Um the second thing I wanted to point out is I think it's very good mentioning that we ourselves are not a legislative body.

We take what we find in our research or what the community brings to us.

All that we can do is make recommendations from there on, it is city council's, it's up to them.

Um we ourselves do not make policy change.

And I just thought that was a point that should be made.

And then just want to clarify a lot of your process is already uh established by city council.

So what you can and can't do, you you are mimicking what the city council can and cannot do because you're bound by their rules.

So you're you're not necessarily allowed to just engage in a topic that a member of the public brings up.

You can acknowledge, make a short comment for resources, but you're not allowed to get into a back and forth.

So um there are other kind of decorum rules and things like that in city council rules.

So you want to um I'm happy to discuss it in more, but definitely read the city council rules because they apply to you as well.

So I believe for uh Commissioner Brooken's request, he's requesting an item on the follow-up log, um, which we can add to the follow-up log to potentially be heard at a future um meeting.

It's not on the log that was approved tonight, but it should be reflected on the next follow-up log that you approve next meeting.

Um if you want to add it to the follow-up log, it's going to be a motion to add at the next meeting.

It's not gonna automatically be added to the follow-up log.

Okay, I'll refer back to um council rules of procedure.

Okay, but that doesn't mean that we can't discuss it even though it's not on the follow-up log.

We can still have a discussion.

If it's yeah, I mean, as long as it's agendaized.

Okay, so so let me be clear.

I I think the core of what we do, we we have to have community buy-in and and belief in this commission.

If they don't have a way to even be heard by us, you know, to be recognized, that's a huge problem.

So that that is what I'm trying to address.

I know the young man came and spoke, and I heard him say our website isn't user-friendly, and if that's the avenue for them to reach us for us to represent them, that's a huge problem.

And and anyone that takes the time to come and express to us say, hey, I have these issues, that's one city.

I believe in this commission, so I'm I'm going through the process.

The minimum we could have is a way to say I heard you, and we're gonna do our part.

That's what I'm trying to address.

So however that happens, uh we definitely need to address that.

Yeah.

Um, so I have heard you, and it will be on the agenda for our next meeting to talk about a process for how we do this.

In addition, it will also go on the follow-up log.

And I just want to say as a side note, I have complained about our website as well to Captain Buchanan.

I couldn't find a link on there and had to have him find it for me so I could send it out to the commission.

So I agree.

Um, and I don't know what our power is to get the city to create a better website, but we can certainly raise our voices about it.

So awesome.

All right, Commissioner Corbs.

Okay, never know if you do that for me.

No, okay, thank you.

Don't touch it.

Um the only commission that I know where they actually have emails listed is on SHRA.

For whatever reason, they do, and I don't know why.

But all the other commissions that I have, which aren't a lot, but the few that I've interacted with, there's no emails, and so if you want to get in touch with someone, it's like virtually impossible.

Um, and the other thing I just want to emphasize, and it's what Commissioner Lewis said, about our role is to make recommendations to city council.

It's not necessarily to make recommendations to the police department on how to change things, and so I want to be very clear with that to the public.

That's what our job is.

So I thought that that was important that Commissioner Lewis brought that up and just emphasizing that.

So thank you.

Thank you, Commissioner Corbs.

Commissioner Sample.

Yes, um, I I just wanted to maybe uh draw our attention to our our uh work plan.

Um, and maybe make the suggestion that our ad hoc looks into you know, maybe researching this a little bit more uh before we bring back one of our items or one of our goals and research and outreach is conduct research into civilian oversight models, best practices, and effective models for community engagement and commission work.

Uh so I feel like that's something that we can drill down in for the greater uh group and bring back some uh suggestions of what others that would be great.

And are you volunteering your group to do that?

It's on our work plan.

So great.

Thank you, Commissioner Sample.

Super appreciate you.

Any other comments or questions on this agenda item?

All right.

Um we now have room for staff and commissioner comments, ideas, and questions.

I'd like to take a moment and welcome back Commissioner Espinosa Salazar, who has been reappointed as our youth commissioner.

We're very lucky to have you and um so glad that you're back with us.

Yes.

Are there any other um comments, ideas, or questions from commissioners?

Go ahead, Commissioner Sample.

Uh yes, uh, just more of a comment.

I had the opportunity last week to attend a few of the national night out events, and I just want to uh say that it was really nice to see community and PD together at those uh events.

So if you Captain Buchanan could please share uh lease from this body to the to the rest, great job in terms of representing our community being interactive.

One of the ones I saw is officers shooting hoops with kids, and I think the kids were beating them, but neither here nor there.

Uh, but it was nice to see kind of the community come together.

And so I just wanted to publicly acknowledge that.

Well do, thank you.

Are there any other commissioners who wish to speak?

All right, hearing none, um, this concludes today's agenda.

Thank you everyone for your participation.

The meeting is adjourned.