Even and uh welcome to the Monday, March 9th, 2026, 5 30 p.m.

meeting of the community police review commission.

This meeting is now called to order.

Will the clerk please call the road to establish a quorum?

Thank you, Chair.

Members please unmute your microphones.

Vice Chair Johnson.

Present.

Commissioner Coleman.

Present.

Commissioner Corbes.

Present.

Commissioner Buen Rostro is absent.

Commissioner Griggs.

Present.

Commissioner Lewis is absence.

Commissioner Genulius.

Present.

Commissioner Brookins is absence.

Commissioner Espinoza Salazar is absent.

And Chair Sample.

Present.

Thank you.

We have quorum.

And for the record, we have member uh Buen Rostro walking up to the dias now.

All right.

Thank you very much.

We have a quorum.

Um I would like to remind members of the public in chambers that you uh if you would like to speak on an agenda item, please turn in a speaker slip uh before the item begins.

After the item is called, we will no longer accept speaker slips.

Uh you will have two minutes to speak once you are called on.

We will now proceed with today's agenda.

Please rise if you're able for the opening acknowledgement in honor of Sacramento's indigenous people and tribal lands.

To the original people of this land, the Nissanon, the Southern Maidu Valley, the Plains Mi Walk, the Potwin Wintoon peoples, and the people of the Wilton Rancheria, Sacramento's only fellow federally recognized tribe.

May we acknowledge and honor the native people who came before us and still walk beside us today on these ancestral lands by choosing to gather together today in the act of practice of acknowledgement and appreciation for Sacramento's indigenous peoples history, contributions, and lives.

Thank you.

Vice Chair, if you will lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance.

My hands over your heart.

Pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

And to the Republic, which is stands one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

Okay, thank you.

All right, I'd like to take this opportunity to uh again welcome everyone to our meeting.

Uh and uh to my fellow commissioners, I uh beg of your patience uh as uh I try to maneuver this first meeting uh chairing it.

So uh if I mess up, just well holler at me or something later on.

But welcome everyone.

All right.

Uh if there is no objection from members on the commission, I would like to move up public comment, comments on matters not on the agenda.

Uh is there any objection to me doing that?

Okay, seeing none, uh are there public comments on matters that are not on the agenda?

Thank you, Chair.

We have no speaker slips for matters not on the agenda.

All right.

Thank you.

Uh next, uh we will uh move to the approval of the consent calendar.

Uh clerk, are there any members of the public who wish to speak on the consent calendar?

Thank you, Chair.

I have no speaker slips for the consent calendar.

All right, we have no speakers.

Um there uh any commissioners who wish to speak on this item and for our public that is the approval of the Sacramento Police Review Commission meeting minutes.

Okay.

Uh seeing no uh one in queue to speak, is there a motion and a second for the consent calendar?

Motion, Chair.

Okay, I have a motion by Commissioner Johnson.

Uh second by Commissioner Corps.

Uh, all in favor say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed?

Any abstentions?

Okay, the motion passes.

All right.

We will now proceed to our discussion calendar.

Our first item is discussion calendar item number two, which is the 2025 annual report and proposed 2026 work plan.

So I will take this item once I get to my notes here.

All right.

So for uh purposes of uh the rest of the commission as well as for our uh public, uh what you have in front of you in this agenda item is the annual report uh for the 2025 work of the commission.

Uh this report also includes uh our recommendations uh for our two uh the council.

Um this report when it is finalized will be presented to the personnel and public employees P and PE committee uh for consideration, and then it will be forward to the city council.

Just to kind of walk you through the report and again answer any questions if you uh uh have them.

The report just kind of outlines uh the work of this commission from January 2025 through December, uh as well as it outlines our focus areas uh that we discussed at the last meeting.

So what I did was I took the areas we talked about and incorporated those into this upcoming year's work plan.

Uh beginning with the 20 2025 accomplishments, it kind of outlines that within your report.

Um really five primary goals there, you know, looking at the work of this commission, the number of meetings that we held, uh all of those things are kind of contained in the attachment uh to this document.

The two recommendations in this report that you will see is one uh that the council considers options for providing staffing support to this commission.

Um and again, that is just looking at the fact that uh this commission is not staffed, and so how we could better support our community and the work that we need.

And then the second is uh formalizing our structured onboarding and ongoing training for the commissioner.

So those were the two recommendations that were uh outlined in this annual report.

So I'll stop there and I will open.

Wait, excuse me, before I open this, are there any members of the public who wish to speak on this item?

Thank you, Chair.

No speaker slips for item two.

Okay.

Um at this time, are there any members of the commission who would like to uh discuss?

And uh myself and the vice chair will take copious notes as we uh look to finalize uh this report on behalf of our body.

Okay, all right, seeing no speakers, um as chair, then I will move to the second part of this, which is pass a motion approving the annual report and work plan and authorizing the chair and vice chair to finalize the report and for the finalized report to the P and PE committee for consideration affording to council, pursuant to city council rules of procedure, chapter 17 section C.

Is there a motion to that effect motion to approve?

Commissioner Bunrostrel, okay.

Okay, all right, so it's been moved and seconded.

Um again, just want to before we take this vote to really uh once again acknowledge the work of last year's chair and vice chair for uh doing a phenomenal job of leading this body and I think helping us to uh accomplish a lot of great work.

So definitely that needs to be said, and I want to make sure that that's said.

So seeing no other comments, and we have a motion and a second.

Um all those in favor say aye.

Aye oppose any abstentions.

Okay, the motion passes.

Our next item is proposed 2026 work plan ad hoc committees.

And so this item is for us to discuss our ad hoc committees for the proposed 2026 work plan as well as begin to look at volunteers for the chair to begin to fill those spaces.

So with that being said, Clerk, are there any members of the public who wish to address this item?

Thank you, Chair.

I have no speaker slips for item three.

Okay.

So I want to um kind of walk through a little bit of the work plan and then just kind of hear from you your thoughts.

I'm sorry, I there we go.

At our last meeting, uh, we kind of came up with these goals and priorities or the at least the buckets that uh then I took and kind of put into uh some planned actions that could go within those buckets.

I will say for the purpose of this group, um these are everything that was on the list.

We are more than welcome to extend, shorten uh, but uh these are all the items that we did have kind of uh bulleted out at the last meeting.

Um so with that being said, I'm gonna open it up to the commission for uh your discussion comments.

Uh are we all in agreement with uh these five areas, or do we feel like we need to do more or less okay, Commissioner Corps.

Uh first, I'd just like to say thank you to the chair and vice chair for putting so much work into this.

Thank you very much.

And I I am just looking over or have looked over the goals and priorities, and I'm I personally am all in line with all of these.

I felt like, and and I can only speak on behalf of last year when uh there was three ad hoc committees, and I I kind of feel like maybe I was just trying to figure out how those work and what we should be doing.

Uh and we do have a requirement for MEU.

Yes.

So that is an absolute requirement.

So I I mean, I definitely think we need to have an ad hoc committee for that.

I personally like the idea of some type of community outreach, although the MEU meeting would be community outreach as well.

I had brought up last meeting about um in August during national night out, partnering with your city council member or your representative, and asking if you can tag along to those events that they go to, which would be a good opportunity to meet the community, share who we are.

Um so I I like that, and then I don't know if anybody else has any ideas around ad hoc committees.

I know that the one that Chair Sample and I were on last year, and Commissioner Griggs, we had all these grandiose ideas about doing something with the youth in our community.

I know that uh Commissioner Lewis was on one that and I don't know if you were on that one about public safety or not public safety, but um transportation, right?

And I don't know how much was accomplished on you know, like is there still more to be done on that?

Do you want to continue to do that?

But I would rather set goals of knowing that we can accomplish these things, and I really feel like MEU we can accomplish reaching out to our respective city council members and attending um national night out with them is something we can accomplish.

We know we can do that, and then obviously we need to um work on our work plan.

So maybe trying to keep it somewhat simple this year so we can really get our footing.

But I am I'm up and I'm open to anything, but I wanted to throw that out there.

Thank you.

Uh Vice Chair Johnson.

Um, I think that's a really good idea.

Um that we do um engage with our our district councilman and their night outs and their events, community events in the areas because it gives us a good idea of exactly um what participation that um that's getting from the community as well as the feel of um how the community is feeling about the particular area, and even sometimes you get an acknowledgement of knowing of how um our police department is participating in some of those areas, and um I think that's a really big help.

And even sometimes you get an acknowledgement of knowing of how our police department is participating in some of those areas.

And I think that's a really big help.

I know in district two, we have done that quite a few times and been a part of that.

And I think that if we could possibly look at some of these areas that we could possibly even condense it down to the point where it'll group up together with the ad hoc, possibly, and we could probably knock it out in no time, you know, because we will bring back the feedback to the commission and realize that um we are much further along because we're involved.

Thank you.

Commissioner Bunarostra.

So just uh piggybacking on the comments from Commissioner Corbes.

Um so as I read these, because I think MEU policy needs to happen.

Um I I'm assuming that'll be covered under uh the first work group, outreach and events, ad hoc committee, which is also tasked with coordinating commissioner participation in community events, planning community listening sessions.

And I guess based on that, the the question to throw back to the commission is is should there be a separate uh work group to just focus on MEU, and then this this work group focuses on additional community outreach and activities.

And I don't have an answer for that.

I'm posting that as a question.

Um maybe maybe maybe that would free up this committee to focus more on the additional outreach activities and folks interested in MU policy can focus on that and make sure that that's done well as well.

So that's that's all that's the main feedback I have.

Um I really appreciate the sim the clear the clarity in which this is being presented.

So it does allow us to make that comment without making it super complicated.

So I do appreciate that work that was done here.

But maybe we do want to you know create a separate one for just MEU policy.

That's good feedback.

Thank you.

Okay, thank you.

Uh Commissioner Corps.

Am I ready to speak?

I look so okay.

I I agree.

I know that those two were supposed to be kind of together, but I felt like MEU is kind of a big deal, right?

So maybe they should have their own ad hoc committee.

I I I I'm asking you that.

It's that you don't know, I know.

I'm just saying I think that's a big deal, so maybe it should have its own committee, and then there could be an ad hoc committee that focuses on community events.

I was just gonna say with Commissioner Johnson, uh Wednesday night, my um city council member is having a public safety event with the city manager, right?

So I'm gonna be there for that.

Like what a great opportunity to say, looky here.

I sit on the police commission.

You know what I mean, and at least kind of share a little bit of what we do.

So there's definitely opportunities, and every single one of the council members are out trying to do community events and and meeting with their constituents and so forth.

So I'll be there on Wednesday night, and we'll hopefully have the opportunity to introduce myself to whoever shows up.

But I think I love what Commissioner Buen Rostro said is that maybe those two there needs to be two ad hocs just so it could be a little bit more focused, and but I'm up for anything.

Um Vice Chair Johnson.

And maybe even with um MEU we can find out exactly where we are with that, especially now that we've run a couple of community meetings already, and um we can find out exactly um you know what the pulse is, where we're at with that, because it seems even in attending um the council meetings that it's been not much as it flare for it, not against it, you know, and people are kind of like taking a uh kind of blending into not so much speaking out against it or for it, and um so we need to maybe take a pulse and see where it's at, you know.

We finally now realize that um the public is agreement with it, um, and then how do we feel and how does the council feel um about where we at with that?

And I think it's almost really the really close shop with that one.

Um especially with the all that's been going around in Sacramento and around the areas with our police department and you know the violence we've been having that you know what's needed with whatever police could have to use is it's um is needed, so we just go along and find out exactly where we are with that.

So we just go along and find out exactly where we are with that.

Okay.

Thank you.

Commissioner G.

Newellis.

I'm gonna get it.

It's okay.

Um this is piggybacking on what Commissioner Carps was saying about events and things like that and building awareness about what we do and what our mission is, but maybe like you said, working closely with council members, but not just for national night out.

There must be like top three that we can ask.

What are your top three that you want to see us at?

How do you want us to participate?

You know, how do you want us to build awareness?

And maybe there's more than just one, like the public safety event that your council members join.

There must be more of those out there that we're not aware of.

To which I I think um my uh wondering would be is you know, some of that work really should be part of us strengthening our partnership with our city council member.

Uh so Vice Chair Johnson, you want to talk a little bit about your thought in terms of ways that we could better interact with our council members.

Um I think um I look at it as that I have an open door uh with my councilman, um, and um I've um already sat down with him before and find out his feelings for of community involvement, especially when it comes to the um the police department, which he has a pretty good relationship with, and then um it's a situation of you know, we I know we're busy, and I know we have our own personalized own jobs and things like that, but it's it's it's it's easier for us to get uh something passed and something done when we have a relationship with our councilman because anytime something comes before them on our behalf, then there they are to um to speak up for us and realize that you know.

Well, I haven't heard from I don't know what they do on that council, I don't know what goes on the commission, what they're doing, but we have that type of relationship built into where they don't feel that way, and um, as long as we continue to keep ourselves plugged in, then it makes a whole lot easier, even with our ad hocs, because um some information like I had last year that we're sort of on ad hoc, it made it easy for me just to call into the city council's office and says, Hey, I'm working on this ad hoc, and I need to know if is there a point of contact that I could go to, and they were able to say, hold on, or they will say that I got somebody I can assign that to you and help you out on, and boom, it was able to help me out that way.

So I think it's the area that we can say plug in to them a little bit more often, and um that's the type of personality I know we have great.

So just to summarize kind of what I think I'm I'm hearing from the collective commission is we really would like our ad hoc work and our work plan to really be focused, maybe even combining this list a little bit more to the military quest equipment use uh work that we have to do, which I think we're gonna talk about here in a few minutes, community outreach would which would include um events, activities, national night out, also working under that one with our local council member.

Maybe that's just a job that all of us take on individually, and then the one suggestion that I would like to offer is that we have an ad hoc to focus on the work plan so that that work is being done throughout the year versus kind of trying to wait to the end of the year to put it all together.

So this ad hoc would gather information, gather uh data that they would just kind of throughout this calendar year put that stuff together so that our report becomes more of a culmination, not trying to have the chair and vice chair regurgitate really quickly.

Okay, uh Commissioner Corps.

I hate to even bring this up.

Uh should we have a special ad hoc committee for training?

Like we've been talking about training for so long.

And here we are, and the attorney's probably just going enough of that, right?

She's like, stop it.

What are we gonna do?

We we we gotta move forward with this.

Should we assign an ad hoc for that?

Should we not?

Or chair, are you going to just put that on the agenda starting next month?

So uh my question then is to the attorney.

Uh is that a function that the chair and vice chair could be as part of our agenda planning.

It could be once council PPN and council have reviewed it.

So you've just approved your annual report with that recommendation.

PPE has to review it first before you can actually officially move forward with it.

And council basically either they may act on it, they may not act on it, but as long as it goes to council, then you can move forward with the plan.

At this point, it's more of if staff wants to voluntarily bring a presentation.

I think Captain Buchanan mentioned that last time, he would be interested in starting on his own before council reviews it.

Umce a plan is approved by council.

Um I could, you know, you could put a committee together to just make sure the trainings are happening to talk to staff and whomever to make sure that part is coordinated instead of it being the responsibility of chair and vice chair, or if you want to take that on, you can't take on the responsibility of just making sure those things are added to the agenda.

But since we already approved the work plan, is it too late to add that to the work plan?

So the work plan, my understanding the work plan is for your 2026.

Right.

So your recommendation is the training is part of your recommendations, so that just needs to be approved as yes, go ahead.

Commission move.

So it doesn't need to be part of that.

Oh, okay.

No.

Okay, so good.

Okay.

So we would not need to like change our motion or anything on that.

It's just part of what moves forward.

Correct.

And like I said, you can talk with staff uh ahead of time to see if they want to do that on their own, or you could just wait for council's approval to kind of move forward with implementing.

Uh Commissioner Griggs.

I guess this is the best time.

I just wanted to add um regarding training.

Um I can't say enough about it.

It's very important to all of us.

And last month I had a great opportunity.

I was able to go down to the Golden One Center and participate in an active shooter drill with the Sacramento City Police Department, the FBI, and the Sacramento uh Fire Department.

This is uh normal training for the police officers, and if you ask me how many were there, I would say almost all of them.

And that this is a very positive uh training uh that was taking place, and they took the time to walk me around, explain to me exactly what they were doing from a police perspective.

They had uh a great number of firefighters there also that were mitigating or acting as if they were mitigating uh uh problems with patients, and there was a uh on top of the shooting, there was also a bomb involved.

It's it was a very, very detailed training session, and it was it was excellent.

And it didn't matter that it was pouring down rain outside because you don't know what's gonna happen in the in an emergency.

So there isn't a bringing up uh again, it's just to thank the police department for allowing me to do this, but also to support what they what they're there for is to take care of the public, and each one of us needs to attend one or many training sessions uh to find out exactly what's going on in our police department.

How else are we gonna know what uh what to vote on when we talk about uh whether the police officers should do this or should do that?

Um but this is uh again just unbelievably great training, and I I highly recommend any and all of us uh jump in any chance that they get to uh to try and get some training.

Thank you for that, Commissioner Bun Rostro.

Um I'm assuming that um in approving this work plan and once these committees have conversations, it it I'm assuming that it would this wouldn't preclude us from establishing an additional ad hoc that might not be listed here.

I've I'm assuming that as long as it's with the goals, we're flexible enough to be able to establish additional ad hocs, even though it might not be explicit in the work plan, but I guess it's um I'm assuming it's assumed within the work plan that we could do those things.

Yes, you can continue to create ad hocs as you guys work on these topics once you get approved, but yeah, they can take on different forms and be modified and changed as needed.

And I that's that's a good so based on that.

I you know, I I know that we talked about do we need a committee for this?

Do we need a separate one for the MU policy?

I I think I'm I'm leaning towards being comfortable with just approving this as it is.

Uh once the ad hocs meet, there's two, right?

In those conversations, they can determine, for example, for the first ad hoc.

They can determine if yes, we probably do want to have a separate, I mean you want, and they can bring that back to this body, and then we can we can do that, right?

So I I guess I'm leaning towards this looks like a good plan.

Once this gets approved and a hocks meet for the first time, then there can be additional recommendations from them about whether some of this work needs to be split up a little bit more into a more focused uh committee.

So I think that helps for me clarify that we are a little flexible with how this might be organized.

Perfect, thank you for that.

Uh Commissioner Coleman.

Yes, actually, uh two small questions.

One first one for Rick.

The training you went to, how did you hear about this?

How did you could you tell us how you came about?

Did you uh I was actually speaking to uh after the meeting, I was speaking to uh Lieutenant Buchanan, and he brought that up and actually asked me to go.

But they the training uh that's provided.

Uh one part of it would be here, which we talked about briefly.

The other is doing write-alongs.

And I was just uh talking to Chair about this earlier.

There's pretty much no limit to what you what you can do with the police department as far as ride-alongs.

You can you can go with AirOps or you can go with canine or or you can write along with patrol, or you can probably work with Blake.

Uh I'm I and I don't want to speak for her, but I'm just saying that there are so many different divisions that you could do a ride-along or share uh share some time with in the police department to find out what their jobs are like just by making a phone call or contacting Captain Buchanan uh or possibly Blake.

Is that correct, Blake?

Okay.

Um but yeah, it's just it's uh the training is endless, and it's uh and it's required of the police officers as well to keep their post certifications.

But the uh but again just jump out there and and uh and ask.

That's the main thing.

And thank you.

Thank you for answering that, Rick.

And I'll be happy to help you out on that too if you want to do something.

I can help liaison with uh with the police department.

I mean, I'm in contact with a few people in my my local department already.

Um I need to get a ride along schedule.

Um for the second part, um maybe a silly question.

What exactly does uh the military equipment use outreach look like?

Like what is that?

Is are we just explaining it to the public or I don't I don't know what that means, honestly?

Outreach.

Yeah, so I'll uh talk about that a little bit.

One of our kind of foundational responsibilities is to uh basically get feedback or input from the community, and so we host um a session or multiple kind of listening sessions with the community to get information.

It's done in partnership with uh PD, where they will uh also kind of present what equipment is being used, what's out there, and so it's really a very interactive facilitated, we facilitate it conversation that we have with our community.

Mr.

Does does the general public have this as the same thing as well?

Or yes, so I think Vice Chair, you were on that subcommittee uh last time, so you want to speak to that.

Um that's what I see.

I think we're almost there.

Um I think we're almost there because the last meeting that we had, and our police department, the Sacramento Police Department was there to explain a little bit more in depth about how far they have come and how far they are along with the process, and that how much that we as a public now could feel at ease because it's not so much of what you think um the title of it is that a lot of it's in use because it's been already sanctioned along police departments around the United States to be in use.

And so there was a long list of recommendations um written up on behalf of the police department to share with the public.

And also that what they did was they gave um each one of us, if not a hark copy, but gave us uh email link to go in to look where the um we could find out all about the reports and how it's written down, and then like I said again, who you are to where you're being on a commission, you can always ask um our captain or police department here to kind of brief you or kind of say you know where we are with that, you know.

But we need to kind of find out where we're going with that, because again, I I really don't think that um our role in really monitoring or going through it for another year.

I don't think we're I think we're real past that point now.

You know, it's almost like we could be on other things that weren't about that.

So it's more of an education.

Yes, I think because the community has a bit very educated that what they have done, that have hit in certain areas of communities around um Sacramento and for the public to come in and to to give their comments um on it and to be aware of what's happened.

And I think the main thing now is what our public is, especially in our district is is that it's more not police equipment, but it's more like police um attitude, performance in those particular communities that they're concerned about with your question, sir.

All right, thank you.

Um Commissioner Griggs.

Yes, just just uh just uh something added real quickly.

I believe there was a notice that went out regarding community academy day.

Which is coming up, is that correct, sir?

That's correct.

The district attorney's office it's in April, April 7th, and I think you have like three or four more days to apply.

And we can send you guys that link again.

You'll spend a great day with the police department.

Uh it lasts about four hours, something like that.

It um you get a chance to meet the officers, see see some of the different divisions uh that work for the police department, uh, interact with them, you get to do a few scenarios, which is a lot of fun, and it's also it gives you a chance to learn what what police officers do, and uh you get a chance to see the chief.

She's uh she's there and she's there for quite some time, actually, question and answers.

And um I'm sorry, I just I just lost what the last thing it was I was gonna say, but but uh it's it's absolutely worth your while to go uh and spend a day with them.

You get a free lunch too.

That's what I was gonna say.

Commissioner, if I can just clarify, so we do a community day, like the commissioner's talking about it's typically out our police academy.

We bring out all the equipment, a lot of the units um, and the the community is open to to coming out and seeing all that and listening to the chief.

There's also uh citizens academy coming up, which the district attorney's office is hosting, but it involves a lot of the law enforcement partners, PD, sheriff, probation.

Um that one's a longer.

Um you actually I think during that you actually go on a ride along.

Um, you have opportunities to maybe go out to the dispatch communication center, um, hear from all the different entities, but I believe that's more over like 10 weeks, so it's a longer, like more academy type thing.

But the commissioner is referring to a day that we typically host out at the academy, and I don't know that we have that planned yet.

That's something we typically do on a regular basis.

Thank you, uh Lieutenant Thompson.

All right, uh Commissioner Corps.

So two things.

The uh citizens academy was specifically for the district attorney's office, and that is 10 weeks long, and it's every Tuesday starting April 7th.

For I think it's for two hours.

I haven't attended it yet, but I know numerous people have, and they love it.

They say it's you learn so much about not only Sacramento Police Department, the sheriff's department, DA's office, all that stuff.

So you're right.

So I know that we've talked with Captain Buchanan about the day for the um for the community, and I so that date hasn't been set yet.

Not yet.

Not that I'm aware of, but we can look into that and get back to you guys on that.

Okay.

The other thing I just want to comment on with Commissioner Johnson and the MEU policy, the meetings, those are required, like we have to do those by law, California state law or something, but it's my understanding.

The sheriff's uh police, uh, the sheriff's community review commission, whatever that acronym is, and maybe they want to come up and speak on that.

They actually do it during their one of their um community meetings.

Commissioner Cho, did you want to speak on that?

No.

Because they actually do it during one of their meetings like this instead of having it out at the community.

And I don't know if that would be an option or not.

Uh it doesn't matter to me.

The last two years it's been at the Oak Park Community Center, which is a great location.

With that being said, it's been very, very difficult to get people to attend.

What I will say is that the people that have attended have overwhelmingly supported the military equipment.

Overwhelmingly.

So you're right.

I think we're getting to a point where the community understands the need for the police department to have this type of equipment.

But it might be something good for the MEU ad hoc committee to decide do we want to do that still at a community, or maybe we'll do one at the community center and also have one here.

And the hardest part is advertising, right?

This was happening last year or the last two years, and there's a handful of people there.

Like how how great would it be to have more people attend these meetings and get more input?

But the police department does an amazing job.

They give you statistics.

This is how many times we used our equipment, these are the zip codes where we use the equipment, and it's so great, and all of that, and if you could just share with us, it's on the transparency website.

That's correct.

But on the SAC PD's transparency website.

That's correct.

We're required by law to post it on the website.

Um by law has to be up for 30 days before we even have that meeting.

So it's all there available, but I I mean, so Commissioner Cho.

Don't sit down.

Well, I I was gonna ask before Commissioner or our colleague goes.

This item we're actually going to talk or it's agendized to talk as the next item about the MEU.

So I don't want to I don't want to agenda drift.

Uh am I correct there, uh attorney?

Yeah, so let's not agenda drift yet, uh, but we will talk about because the next item is outreach, community engagement ideals and efforts for the annual uh MEU policy community for hang tight.

So we'll have you back up.

All right.

Uh oh, Commissioner Griggs.

I'm done.

You're done.

All right.

I have a well, I have a quick question.

Actually, I'm sorry, I'll I'll go ahead and take that spot.

Uh question for Ariel.

Um, just to back up and kind of off topic since we started the MEU.

Um, I thought I heard you say something about being able to add additional ad hocs throughout the year.

Is that correct?

Did I misunderstand you?

Yes, uh, the chair can add ad hocs any time.

Okay, and ad hocs are for one year, and is that calendar year or is it for from when they're set.

From when they're set, yes.

Okay, excellent.

Okay, thank you so much.

So maybe just to give a little clarification about the ad hocs, um our current ad hocs, and uh the city clerk's office will have to help me make sure I get this correct.

Our current ad hocs were constitute our started in our April meeting.

So their one year expiration will be at our next meeting, and then we will constitute our new ad hocs for the following cycle.

Okay.

Um I I this item was to just to kind of recap was to discuss our ad hoc committees for the proposed work plan.

Um then it was that the chair may create an ad hoc committee for the commission and appoint commissioners to that committee.

Um there's really no action on this other than I've now taken the input from this body to kind of know that uh we're going to to uh go with uh commissioner uh buena rostro.

We're gonna go with this work plan and we will build ad hocs off of that.

Did I catch that correctly?

Or do I need a motion to that effect?

No, you don't need a motion.

Okay.

All right.

Any other discussion on that item?

Okay, seeing none.

Uh moving to item four military equipment use.

Uh our schedule for that.

Um this item is to discuss the uh Sacramento Community Community Police Review Commission's outreach and community engagement uh suggestions, ideals, and efforts for the annual MEU policy community forum.

Uh do we have any members of the public that wish to speak to this item?

Thank you, Chair.

I have no speaker slips for item four.

All right.

So now we can jump into to this item and uh so basically uh commission.

This this is really a large charge uh for us.

This is a majority of our work based on AB 481, and so this is some of the work that we are to do, and I think based on some of your feedback, um, you may be interested in doing this work a little bit different in terms of taking uh information.

So, with that being said, Karen, did you want to finish your statement that I I just thought we could maybe since we have our partners here from the from the county and they do their MEU meetings a little bit differently than we have, if maybe they want to share how they've been doing theirs the last couple years, because they attended ours last year, so they have a perspective of both.

So they have a perspective of both.

Good evening, Commissioners staff.

Um we currently have an ad hoc to explore uh compliance with 481, not only with the sheriff's office, but uh other jurisdictions throughout the state.

Um we've developed nearly four recommendations for the sheriff's office and the commission and the board of supervisors to uh manage that going forward.

Typically in the past, what the sheriff's office has done is presented, and it's also the opinion of county council um that the sheriff's office presents to the commission, and that qualifies as the AB 481 community engagement meeting.

Um based on what we've learned in the ad hoc.

Um we disagree with that.

Um the sheriff's office, it's our opinion.

The sheriff's office is not compliant with AB 481, the community engagement meeting, because they are presenting to a restrictive Brown Act body, which limits conversation back and forth questions and answers as intended by AB 481 and government code 7072.

Um so I would not recommend your commission or your city or your police department do it like the county does.

Uh that's my personal opinion and statement.

Um what I can tell you is through our research we've learned that um we've surveyed 12 different agencies throughout the state, and even including others that we know of anecdotally uh there they all share the same legal opinion and the same practice uh that you do for 481 community engagement meetings.

Um there are a couple outliers in the state um that do not do it this way, and we believe those are if those agencies are not in compliance, uh including our sheriff's office.

Um the city of Los Angeles is I'm sure you're aware their city auditors office has uh noted or highlighted the city of Sacramento, the police department, your commission as the gold standard of how it should be done in the state.

So that's what one thing we're looking at, we're modeling and recommending as well.

So you're doing okay.

You know, any time you say we're the gold standard of what should be done, let's set the bar of Sacramento.

So thank you for that.

Great.

Um never know how if I'm on or if I'm off.

I am I on.

So thank you for sharing that.

And uh I we really appreciate that because we've heard that and I read the report that that stated that uh Sacramento really has stepped it up and is what other agencies are looking to do or or emulate, replicate.

So that's great.

And I wish you good luck with your meetings to get a community event for that.

So thank you.

I don't know if anybody has any questions for Commissioner Chow we let him.

Thank you.

We're always available offline to answer any questions and work together and uh look for our report uh should be out in a few months.

Thank you.

Thank you.

All right, uh oh Commissioner uh Buena Rostro.

Okay, so I think we're getting feedback on MEU immediately, correct.

So first of all, I just want to note that I do appreciate the city council updating the calendar to fix an issue that we had where the window would get was getting pushed back every year.

Um so I I like that the fact there's a set calendar.

I do want to note that the mandated um forum um is is gonna probably be in a tight window for us that's gonna probably uh limit well, not limit, but narrow down on the dates that it needs to happen.

So so based on my reading of the calendar, the police department the latest that they can release and publish a report is the third week of June.

Um and the earliest that this commission can hold a forum is 30 days after that.

And it needs to happen before end of July.

So that means that if if if the police department releases it at the latest date, which could happen, but it could also be earlier, then the window would be the last two weeks of July, in which this forum could happen.

Maybe we there's a little bit more time if the report is released earlier, but I'm I'm just noting that because that's gonna set the calendar for us a little bit.

And then the other piece of feedback that I had is I did find the forum useful last year and informing the public about what is military equipment, what are the definitions of military equipment?

Because I think that's very nuanced and gets very I think it's it's good information for the public and also allows the public to provide better feedback to the department.

Um I'm wondering if as part of that outreach activities, uh each of us can maybe make a list of neighborhood associations where we might invite the department to come and do a presentation on what MEU is.

But having said that, it would that be considered part of the MEU forum, or could that be considered something that is just outreach and informational for the public?

Um because then that would limit when that happens.

When in reality, I kind of feel like the department coming to a community group to just inform them on what military equipment is.

Maybe if it's not considered officially this forum, hopefully, maybe that gives us more flexibility with engaging the public on informing them and also getting feedback in general on on this topic.

I like that.

Is that uh city attorney?

Is that something that we're able to do within this?

Okay, so here's a scenario.

Let's say that I invite the police department to come to my neighborhood association to do a presentation on what military equipment is just to inform the public.

Um my hope is that that is not considered official, the official military equipment use forum.

Um for their purposes of compliance or yes.

Okay, so I'll have to ask the other I wouldn't be able to give my legal opinion on whether that would comply for their own.

And I'll weigh in here, so just a couple things.

I think typically we make sure that's a well-publicized community event for the entire city to attend.

So we want the forum to include be able to hold everyone.

Um and the law only requires us to have at least one of those.

It doesn't say that we have you know we have to have two or three, but we can.

Um to your point, Commissioner, we do have a timeline that we're working with.

Um, the third, the end of the third week of June when we have to have the report and policy published, that's like the last date to have it done.

We're on track um to stay with what we typically do where we release it in the the beginning of June, typically right around the first, um, so that we have as much time to get that one official one done per the law.

Um with the updated timeline that the council was able to accomplish last year, there should be more opportunities for us to host additional meetings if the commission would like to, um whether that's neighborhood associations like you're talking about.

Um the next official like date we would be looking at is the law and ledge date.

There's some language in there that it's between August and September that we have to have that law and ledge meeting per council.

Um and then just like keeping an open mind to the fact that as we if we were to make changes that were substantive, like we potentially could have to republish the report and go through the 30-day process in the community meeting.

That would, in my opinion, would require the attorneys to get involved to make sure that's how the language reads, but um that's my basic understanding of it.

So my team is on track to have that out in the beginning of June, so hopefully we won't have too much of a time crunch to get that community meeting in very helpful.

And just want to comment the department on on working on this.

I you know what one comment that we got from the council last year when they reviewed the the report is that things that the council had requested a year previously were added to the report.

So they do I I got I got the sense that there was improvements every year to the reporting and things that were that were being asked by the public and also the the council members.

So I do want to say that it's it's something where um we have noted improvement and we continue to see improvement.

So we we appreciate that.

And and I appreciate um the commissioner like acknowledging the LA report because that was big for us to be recognized, but it's also worth recognizing that that report, our current policy report doesn't get to where it's at without the work of what the commission has done, the community members that have challenged us on things, what the council has pushed us to.

Um it's it's the work product and years of years of refining that report and policy to get where it's at.

So and we're gonna continue to keep making it better.

Okay, uh Commissioner Corps.

I thought that the city council had extended that time they explained.

Yes, Commissioner.

So the the what we extended was the final approval of it, was kind of the big thing that we extended.

So the council has till the end of the annual year, essentially December 31st to finalize the report and policy.

Okay, so that's what was extended.

That's the big thing.

There's still some milestones built in.

And the only other thing I would say, Commissioner Buen Rostro, is I've been to a number of neighborhood association meetings that were the police department is there already.

Um they usually come monthly to the meetings anyways to give an update, and there's plenty of people that ask questions about the equipment that they're using.

And as far as I know, that doesn't affect the community meeting that is required by law.

I mean, they they just attend and people ask questions and they answer them.

So yeah, so yeah.

So my assumption is it just can't be the unofficial and it's not the official one, right?

But but since the police department's already at your community neighborhood association meetings, you can ask any question you want and they'll answer them.

And I'll just add a few more things.

Like we do, um, if you guys recall, we do send out kind of like a question and answer or question, questionnaire in multiple languages for people to weigh in and make comments to the report and policy.

Um, and then when we do host the community meeting, it's recorded, it's live streamed, it's put up on the website, which includes the PowerPoint that we go through typically attached to the report and those kinds of things.

So somebody can watch that after the fact.

The past couple years are on there if if you're so inclined to kind of see what we did last year.

All right, are there other speakers on this item?

All right, so just to summarize, I think what I'm I'm hearing collectively from this group is that as this moves to the uh soon to be ad hoc committee, um, that we want them to look at some strategies around sharing this information, obviously at neighborhood association events, but we are going to follow the timeline as given here by the council to work with uh PD, and then we're going to target somewhere between the last two weeks of July for us to have our outreach.

Am I hearing that correctly?

With the likelihood that we would have more than the last two weeks, would you like because I mean it seems like if the department does publish it earlier, we're gonna have we'll have more time.

Okay.

Okay.

All right.

I think this uh was not a action item.

This was just kind of a discussion.

Um, and so I think I have uh your notes and direction on that.

Okay.

Anything else on that item?

All right, item five.

Uh item five is the Sacramento Community Polish Review Commission follow-up log.

Uh this item is to review, discuss, and then pass a motion, uh removing all of the items on the follow-up log, and uh I'll share a little bit more what that means when I say remove, and then the other part would be adding items to the follow-up log, if any.

And so uh just for uh well, let me ask before I go into that.

Are there any members of the public who wish to speak on this item?

Thank you, Chair.

I have no speaker slips for item five.

Uh so really this item uh members is the finalization of our previous follow-up log, and these items will move to kind of the archive list, and then we will start our follow-up log fresh for 2026, and then we'll continue kind of going through uh tracking these uh for this upcoming year.

So this is to move the current items over to archives unless you feel there's something on this current list that you want to advance forward.

Uh otherwise we will move all of these over to archives and we will start a new follow-up log.

Okay, any member of the commission uh wish to discuss this item.

Uh Vice Chair Johnson.

Um, I truly agree with this one um suggestion because we have seen in the past where we can get so bottled down um these follow-up logs and even tie up with our agenda every week, um, trying to go back over them again when we really not just skimming over them and we're not accomplishing things.

So if we could just start fresh for Mr.

So if we could just start fresh for this chair, um I just know that we can just accomplish a little bit more and um and then feel good about um getting some things done.

Thank you.

And I will tell you as I review the log, we we have a number of things that were requested back in 1920, 21, 22.

Um, and it seems like we stopped around April of 23.

So this feels like a great opportunity for us to uh refresh this and sure that um we move these items.

Okay.

So there's no other speakers on this item.

I uh would entertain a motion to remove all of the items on the follow-up log over to to be archived, and it doesn't sound like there's any item that anyone wants to advance to a new 20 six 2026 follow-up log.

Is there a motion?

I make a motion that we move the follow-up, the existing follow-up log to the archives, and start anew 2026.

Will that cover everything that we think so?

Will that cover everything?

Uh Turney, all right.

So it's been moved by Commissioner Griggs.

Uh the chair will second it.

I second.

Okay, seconded by the vice chair.

Uh any other discussion.

CNO discussion.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Oppose.

Abstain.

Okay.

Motion carries.

Uh moving to our next agenda item.

Uh staff and commissioner comments.

Okay.

Seeing no comments from staff our commissioner.

Oh, I see Mr.

Oh, I'm sorry.

Uh, Commissioner Coleman.

Sorry about that.

And I was getting ready to move like zip through.

It's uh just just about um we spoke a lot about like outreach and getting in front of the community and talking.

Um I don't know what everybody is, everybody on the commission, their relationship is with their with their uh district representative.

Um, but I for mine particularly like we meet, she tries to meet every every week.

Like she has a little meeting for the with the people can come see her.

And she, you know, uh it gives me a good read on what what's going on, a bigger read on what's going on in my in my community in my neighborhood, but also when she has events, her people reach out to all the commissioners that are in the district.

Um so I I feel like if we just take advantage of those emails, like hey, I'm gonna be speaking at such or such an event, you know what I mean?

You guys come on out and support, because sometimes they get questions, and then the question is so about police M E you or something like that, and they go, Oh, look, our commissioners right here.

You know what I mean?

So um I I might I I was just assuming everybody was had the same relationship with their district representative.

Um so the it should be it should I feel like that's just that's an easy thing for us to do.

Uh is just show up like when when invited.

And I thought it'd be a lot harder, but no, that's easy.

Um, but I honestly again thank you guys so much for your patience with me.

And it means Chris O'Clair, I I'm a big fan of uh ask the qu whatever I think I should know.

I should probably and I don't know, I should probably ask that question.

And um, you guys are super patient with it, and I appreciate that.

Definitely appreciate that.

Thank you, Commissioner Coleman.

Other uh comments, ideas or questions.

Okay.

Seeing none, that concludes our meeting, and we are now adjourned.

Thank you for your patience, everybody.