We think we have solved the problem.

Thank you for bearing with us.

So we have moved to the discussion calendar.

This would be item number five on the agenda, which is the preservation director's uh letter to the state historic preservation officer.

Okay, and under the discussion, um, yeah, now we're on to the discussion calendar.

Okay, so I will go on and um if anybody's interested in commenting on the items on the discussion calendar and their uh there are three items on the discussion calendar.

Um you would call nine one six eight zero eight seven two one three, and you would dial forward to make a comment on the next item we're going to take, which is um the preservation director's uh state historic preservation office comment letters regarding the Thomas Jefferson School and North Sacramento School National Register of Historic Places nominations, and those two structures are located at sixteen nineteen N Street and six seventy Dixie Ann Avenue.

So um Carson or Sean, do you want to make a presentation on uh on these two buildings?

Yes, Chair Whitelum.

So we were uh contacted by the State Historic Preservation Officer beginning of December and asked to provide comment.

Uh this is a a role that we have as a certified local government.

Periodically, there are national register nominations that come before the state historical resources commission uh for their nomination to the national register, and those nominations are sent forth to the person who is known as the keeper of the national register, which is a very odd title to have.

Uh at any rate, that process involves asking the local jurisdiction in which the property is located for their uh comments on the nomination.

Uh this was slated to come to you at your January meeting, but because of concerns about civil unrest connected with the inauguration day, um, that meeting was uh canceled.

And so I went ahead and prepared a letter to the SHIPO uh supporting the two nominations.

I think they're very important buildings in the history of Sacramento.

Uh both of them illustrate um important and fascinating themes.

The the North Sacramento uh school property is intimately tied up with the um uh incorporation of the city of North Sacramento.

This is a facet of the history of our city that's not very well known.

Um so North Sacramento was a separate jurisdiction, and in order to support their uh citizenry, they built their own public facilities, including schools.

This was like one of the first public facilities built to uh support the residents of North Sacramento.

It is the work of notable local architects, including Clarence Cuff, E.C.

Hemmings, and also Dean and Dean architects.

Um, and then in the case of the uh Thomas Jefferson School property, uh these this building is a I think a very good example.

Um rare surviving example, I would have to say of pre-World War II architecture and period revival styles, in this case the Tudor Revival, and done by uh EC Hemings and uh Dean and Dean architects again.

Hemmings and Dean and Dean architects again.

In the case of the North Sacramento School property, there's a very strong argument under criterion A.

Criterion A has to do with connections with broad patterns of history.

And then under criterion C, which has to do with design values and associations, because of the architectural team involved in designing the property over several decades.

And the fact that it is probably one of the most prominent examples of the mission revival design style in its community.

It's significant in my judgment under Criterion C.

In the case of the Thomas School, Thomas Jefferson School property.

But clearly it is a significant work of architecture for its design quality and its association with important architectural design firms working here in Sacramento.

So that is the gist of what I wrote to the SHIPO.

And so now, Chair White, let me turn it over to you and the members of the commission for any comments that you wish to offer.

Those comments I will collect and I'll relay in a second letter to the SHIPO if you have additional things that you want to point out or share.

For some reason, I'm having difficulty pulling up the participant thing online.

Can you see if anybody else wishes to speak right now?

No, none of the other commission members have indicated a desire to speak, and I'm going to check to see if we have a call in.

There is no call in from the public either.

Okay.

I I had a question more on process.

When we have nominations to the Sacramento Register, we like post the site and notice the owners.

Correct.

Okay.

When something is going to uh nomination to the National Register, which goes through the state office of historic preservation, what sort of like noticing or posting do they do?

Do they reach out to the property owner?

Yes, they're obligated to contact the property owner.

I'm fairly certain that's done by writing letters to them to notify them of the nomination and of the nomination and public hearing process that's connected with it.

They would have certainly received notification of the state historical resources commission, which occurred last month to afford them an opportunity to provide comment.

I know that in the case of the Thomas Jefferson School property that the property owners uh attended that meeting and they voice support for the nominee going forward.

And when something is on I don't believe any sort of posting is done by the state office for these nominations.

But when something is placed on the national register, you know, unlike say something when it's at the local register, it would dictate sort of like what you know who does the site plan and design review.

When when a building's on the national register, other than certainly the great distinction of being on the national register, it doesn't really affect what a person can do with the site, does it?

Because that's a local matter, correct?

Or I could be wrong.

I I defer to Alice or Christine or you to let me know on that.

The local jurisdiction really does have the authority to regulate the property as a historic resource, it really largely falls upon the local jurisdiction to do that.

And of course, um plans that could adversely affect the um the um features of the property that make it eligible for national register listing, those triggered an environmental review process, at least in theory.

Again, the local jurisdiction are there basically the eyes on the ground here to check out what's going on with the property and to notify the state historic preservation office uh of concerns they have.