Good evening.

Like to welcome you all well.

Tonight we'll be led by prayer by Councilman Braddock, and I will do the pledge.

Heavenly Father, we come before you with gratitude for the opportunity to serve our children.

Granted Wisdom that is pure and peace and loving.

Courage to do what is right and competent for every resident we represent.

That our words build unity and our decision bring justice and prosperity.

Guide our hearts and minds so that you will do well reflect your will and arms, their trust place in us.

In Jesus' name our prayer.

Amen.

I bless you.

Yes.

Madam Clegg, please.

Councilmember Sylvia Present.

Councilmember Seals.

Present.

Councilmember Balls.

Present.

Mayor Pro Tem Garcia.

President.

Councilmember Ostash.

Present.

Councilmember Braddock.

Present.

Councilmember Wiggins.

Present.

Councilmember Hammond.

Present.

And Mayor Moore.

Present.

You have all members present.

Okay.

At this time I'd like to welcome everyone for coming to our meeting tonight.

Um with the housekeeping.

All council parsons, please silence your phones and your chapter.

Audience, I ask that you do the same thing.

This is a public meeting.

And so I asked if the bring in obnoxious behavior not be allowed in.

We are running a meeting.

I'm going to recommend again to up at the board.

Oh, up at the table.

Phones go off.

And they can't hear but the mic in here.

So I need you to make sure that your phone is off.

Silence, I'm sorry, I can't tell you off.

Madam Clerk, do we have any announcements?

Yes, Mayor, we have a couple.

A study is currently being conducted on the future of the water treatment plant as it approaches a hundred years of service.

An informational public meeting will be held at the Anderson Enrichment Center on August 22nd at 1030 a.m.

for an update on the progress of the study and for citizens to provide their input.

A committee of the whole session is scheduled for August 25th at 5 30.

The topic of the committee of the whole will be strategic plan follow-up and tax cap talking points.

Those wishing to sign up for public input for the committee of the whole may do so by 11 30 a.m.

on August 25th.

The regular council meeting will begin at 6 30 following the committee of the whole.

And that takes us to a proclamation recognizing the Eastside Soup Kitchen.

I know that I've got a whole side of the room.

It's full of the East Side soup kitchen, so we know that you only have one representative, so can we all as soon as she reads it?

The City of Saginaw proclamation, whereas food insecurity continues to be a pressing issue across Saginaw County, affecting individuals and families from all walks of life and posing serious threats to health, stability, and dignity, and whereas the East Side Soup Kitchen has remained steadfast in its mission to combat hunger, providing comfort, care, and over 900 nutritious meals daily to those most in need without judgment or discrimination, and whereas the demand for services continue to rise, place an increased strain on local resources and nonprofit organizations that serve as a safety net for our most vulnerable neighbors, and whereas the East Side Soup Kitchen diligently strives to fulfill this growing need, we're adapting to fluctuating budget constraints and diminishing support from government programs, showcasing remarkable resilience, flexibility, and commitment to its missions, and whereas through the dedication of its staff, volunteers, and supporters, the Eastide Soup Kitchen remains a lifeline for the community, ensuring that hunger is addressed not with silence, but with compassion, action, and a warm meal.

And whereas the organization provides essential supports of families, strengthening connections during difficult times, balastered by community donations and partnerships.

Now therefore it be resolved.

I, Brenda F.

Moore, mayor of the city of Saginaw, do her by recognize and recommend the East Side Soup Kitchen for extraordinary service to Saginaw County, its unwavering response to the increased demand for food assistance, and its courageous work in the face of financial uncertainty.

Let this proclamation stand as a symbol of our deepest gratitude and a call for continued community support, policy attention, and advocacy to ensure that no one in Saginaw County goes hungry.

And witness wear of, I have here unto set my hand and cause by the seal of the city of Saginaw to be a fixed this 11th day of August of the year of our Lord 2025.

Brenda F.

Moore, Mayor, Council members Brasil Garcia, Mayor Pro Tem, Michael D.

Boz, Carly R.

Hammond, Heidi, Heidi G.

Wiggins, Monique Lamar Silva, Bill Astache, Eric D.

Braddock, Sr., and Jacena Sales, Timothy Morales, City Manager.

Thank you.

Okay.

So now we are that point.

I need for all of you representatives just to stand, and I need one person at the podium or two, however.

Come over here first, Miss Diane.

And get your certificate.

Go down, shake.

Congratulations.

Thank you.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Congrats.

Thanks.

You do.

Congrats.

Thank you for your service.

Thank you.

Thank you.

We got an email.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay.

You can't.

I just want to acknowledge all the staff and the volunteers and all their hard work.

We couldn't do what we do without all of them.

Today again, it was over 900 meals.

And we have a board member here tonight, Mark.

Thank you.

Madam Clerk.

Yeah, that takes us to public input.

You will be called up to the podium by our clerk.

You are to state your name.

Once again, no obnoxious behavior, no bullying, no hissing, no clapping, no being outrageous.

This is a respectful time.

This is not a question or answer period from any of the council persons.

We are just listening to your concern.

Madam Clerk.

Our first speaker is Jody Becker.

Good evening.

My name is Jody Becker, and I am a concerned citizen of Saginaw County resident.

I spoke at the council meeting four weeks ago, hoping that Councilwoman Monique Lamar Sylvia would do the right thing and resign from her position on the city council.

At that meeting, she stated that in the very near future, she would let us know what she was going to do and not going to do.

It's been four weeks, and it appears that she has done nothing.

Nothing except make a motion two weeks ago to hold a closed meeting about her personal legal issue that would have excluded the public.

She has not resigned.

And I am here because I want to know why.

I can't wrap my mind around the fact that she continues to sit on our city council making decisions for roughly 44,000 people after being convicted of three felonies for election fraud.

Fair and honest elections are imperative to maintaining our freedoms as American citizens.

I'd like to publicly thank this council for all that you do for our city.

But I'd also like to remind you that once you were elected, you all took oaths to support the Constitution of the United States and the state of Michigan and faithfully perform your duties here in the city of Saginaw.

Maybe I don't have all the facts.

If that is the case, if that is the case, please enlighten me.

In my opinion, your continued silence on this matter equals complicity and acceptance.

And that is not okay.

Once again, I respectfully ask each of you to consider the oaths you took when you were sworn in and do what is best for the residents who voted for you by joining me and asking for the resignation of Councilwoman Monique Lamar Sylvia.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Our next speaker is Cassandra Pack.

My name is Charles Lawrence, and I am the president of putting others before ourselves.

And I am here to cordially invite the council and the rest of the uh public of Saginaw to come out to the fourth annual peace and unity kickball game this year as we are trying to make strides in our community to bring our community together.

We have had a nonviolent event for the last three years, and I've been a little bit bothered by the lack of presence from our city council when this is an effort to bring our community together, all walks of life.

Everybody is invited and encouraged to come out and see the positives of the kickball game.

We have brought thousands into the community.

We have had people utilize our resources, utilize our hotels, buy from our local vendors, and we kind of feel a little bit jaded that we don't see the presence of our community, uh our community leaders as much as we think that this event deserves.

If you look on Google right now, you can actually find our city's kickball game on Google now.

And I think that that's something that the city should be proud of.

We're proud of what we've done.

We're we're excited about any opportunities to be, you know, I'm saying for city council or any of the other organizations in Saganall to feel free to utilize us as a 501c3 that's committed to bringing better things to Saginaw and is being active and changing the course of the negatives that we see in Saginaw.

So I just call we we just cordially invite myself, another one of our committee members, Betty Holmes is here with me today, and we just ask that you guys consider you know I'm saying giving us uh your presence to let everybody know that not only do you guys appreciate what we're doing, you guys feel like it's it's it's deserving of your presence and come out this year.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Our next speaker is Melanie Velasco on to Pamela Pugh.

Coming through the door.

And I do not know if I'll be able to put find my notes in time, so maybe I will just speak from memory.

Um I already joined the bunch.

I need a new one.

I'm ready.

Is it go ahead?

Okay.

Um good evening, everyone.

Um, Madam Mayor, Mayor Pro Tem, uh to City Staff, each and every one of you.

My name is Pamela Pugh, and I am standing here on behalf of the Saginaw Just Transition uh in DABA.

It's a fiscally sponsored project of Movement Strategy Center.

And you all gave us the honor of being awarded on September 23rd, 2024.

Council approved a 210,000 award in ARPA funds and the uh SGJTI under expenses expenditure category 2.2 strong healthy communities, neighborhood features that promote healthy health and safety.

Um per the treasury rules.

This included health, this included children's environmental health, it included uh uh bettering neighborhood features.

We have multiple partners that we have been working with, and our focus has been on food and energy.

Uh, I will say, as a person who's received her education in environmental health, these are environmental issues.

Um we were advised on March 6th by Guide House not to submit a quarterly report.

Um, however, we have repeatedly submitted materials that Guide House has asked us for as well as the city.

Um, and on April 30th, we gave them a very lengthy um set of information.

Uh city Mr.

City Manager Mayor, you know that I believe that it was in April, April 29th.

We met, we talked about alignment with uh priorities of the city.

We've ex uh given information on budget details, scopes of work, performance narratives, and have also talked about how this uh is tied to community.

It was just on Friday, late evening um that I found out that there was some information that was set to sent to the city.

We've asked for uh dialogue back since we've submitted information on April 30th.

We did not receive that, but what we learned is that the city uh council was sent information today, Friday.

We asked for that information.

We were told by the city that we had the FOIA that information.

So it'll be great if we can get our hands on what the issue is because we were told that we were high risk according to the uh agreement.

High risk just means that we report more often, as I told you uh in March, we were told that we did not have to report.

What I'm asking is just a follow-up meeting with Guide House and the city, and that we be able to communicate in good faith as we have been, and we've given them a plethora of information.

I will get some information in your hands and make sure that you all are aware of what we're doing, what we're up to, how we're working with community organizations around uh food and energy, which are health related.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Our next speaker is Laurie Patterson.

Good evening.

My name is Laurie Patterson.

I am a longtime city resident.

I'm here today because something has gone wrong in our city, something we cannot ignore.

When we elect leaders, we give them something valuable, our trust.

We expect them to follow the law, put the community first, and lead with honesty and integrity.

That's the commitment we all count on when we choose them to represent us.

But when that trust is broken, when a city council member is found guilty of a serious criminal offense, there must be consequences.

Silence in the face of wrongdoing is not leadership, it is complicity.

It tells the public that power protects you from accountability, and it tells our young people that integrity is optional.

We cannot accept that.

We must not accept that.

This is not about politics.

It's about right and wrong.

It's about whether our leaders are held to the same standards as the rest of us.

True leadership means courage, the courage to speak out when it's uncomfortable, the courage to hold your colleagues accountable, the courage to protect the people's trust, even when it costs you politically.

Our city deserves leaders who will stand up and say, this is wrong.

We will not tolerate it.

Because accountability is not optional.

Integrity is not negotiable.

If we lower the bar even once, we weaken the very foundation of our democracy.

But if we raise the standard and refuse to lower it, we make our city stronger.

So here's my message to the people in this room and to every member of our city council.

Do your job, speak out, defend the trust that the people have given you.

And to my fellow citizens, do not be silent.

Hold your leaders accountable.

Demand that they do better, expect more.

Because the future of our city depends on it.

Thank you for your time.

Thank you.

Our final speaker is Reggie Williams.

Councilman.

We have three minutes as well.

And we will begin tonight with Councilman Ball.

Thank you very much, Madam Mayor.

I don't have a lot to say, but uh I can say that it's warm outside.

And you guys know what happened normally when it's warm outside in the city of Saginaw.

We have uh a lot of crime issues.

And uh and it really touches my heart for people to lose their families and and and I'm worried about all the other issues that uh that happens on why people do crime and stuff.

I know that a lot of uh these young people are uh engaging in retaliation, and we know that that doesn't hurt that don't help anybody by people trying to retaliation and need to go to the police and report what's going on so we can get you know nip this stuff in the bug before it turns into a wildfire.

You know, and I and I'm just so dishearted about it that it really hurts my heart.

That's one reason why I've been in the big brothers and sisters program for 30 30 something years, and I try my best to be a mentor to the kids because I know there's a lot of fathers in that home in the city of Saginaw, and that somebody got to pick up their slack.

I know in the Bible and the Holy Quran and other holy books is all we talk about is taking care of our brothers and our sisters and reaching out and picking up and helping our brothers.

We got organization like Yelp here and Saginaw STEM and other organizations that help out with the kids and and uh we can see that they uh that the kids are really getting something out of it, and that we know they're gonna be to productive, good members of society by us being mentors to them.

Um I'd like to uh speak too about the East Side of Two Kitchen.

Uh understand you guys have been in existence for over 45 years.

Um I can't imagine how many meals you just served in 45 years.

But I know a lot of people in the city of Saginaw receive those meals, and and that I want to thank you for doing what you do for our community.

You know, the more the more we do, the more we can help out.

And I hope that maybe we can engage them with uh I don't know what all you guys do besides feeding them, but sometimes we got to feed the body and we have to feed the mind at the same time, you know, to help get people off of those uh issues.

Uh Mr.

Lowrence, I'd like to let you know that I do attend your events.

So I just want to let you know that some of the city council people are there.

So I I be there.

I don't come around, I don't play, but I do walk around the place and see what's going on, and I support you guys 100%.

You know, we thank you for bringing that uh kickball competition to the city of Saginaw.

It's a win-win for the whole city, like you said, hotels, restaurants, everybody participate.

It's a non-volume event, and our kids can see us doing things in a positive manner and having fun at the same time.

Uh I hope that when you guys do have this, it'd be just as hot as it is outside today for you guys too.

But uh, there's some issues that the city council gonna have to deal with, and when we get to that, we're gonna deal with it.

But until then, you know, I hope everybody just be patient with us and let us handle our business.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Next, we have Councilman Ostech.

Thanks, Mayor.

Welcome everybody for coming out tonight.

Um I just want to speak about the proclamation uh and myself because I volunteered at the soup kitchen.

I do a lot of donations to the soup kitchen, and uh Councilman Balls was just talking about the other things that go on.

I think Diane is briefly, I can refer to her as the mom of the kitchen.

Uh her services go beyond just serving food, and I've seen that firsthand when she's she's taking care of other people's needs that also arise.

So thanks for everything.

Thanks for all the staff that are here for what you do.

Um Charles, uh I'm going to be out of town again this time for your Unity kickball.

I was in town for Brobe Q, but the weather didn't cooperate, and I know that that was canceled because uh when I got there, nobody was there.

But thanks again for everything that you're doing this year.

And I know that you're bringing in some music headliners out here, so that'll be good.

Um also the last time I was here at the council meeting, I spoke about an event that I was doing with the Latino leaders for equity and advocacy and development, which is LEED, and so we did a bilingual book program fundraiser, and we did raise over 400.

So thank you for everybody that came out, had hot dogs eat chips, and just help donate to that worthy cause for that group.

Uh again, staff, thank you for everything you helped over the last two weeks.

We took out junk cars.

I had more uh one trash complaint, so I guess that's good.

We made a lot of progress there.

So thank you for everything that you're doing to make things run smoothly.

And then the last thing that I would like to um address is we had two young people here that are two ladies that came to talk about the situation on our city council tonight.

And since the last four weeks since you were here, I have done a lot of research.

Um our charter speaks for itself.

It is written, and there is a process.

And what I did find out is that process will take place on August 27th.

So that's what all I'm gonna say about that.

Um, Mayor, that's all I have for you.

Thank you.

Next, we have Councilman Braddock.

Uh good evening, everyone.

Uh welcome to the welcome to y'all city council meeting.

Um, I would just like to say I appreciate the soup kitchen.

I appreciate the soup kitchen.

Um, I live down the street from the soup kitchen, so I see all the cars, the lines, and all the traffic there.

So there's a lot of work being done there, a lot of people um using those resources.

Um I'm excited about the cake bar tournament on this weekend.

Um, I I'll be there, uh, Techie.

I'll be there uh every year.

I tried to participate, but uh these old knees wouldn't let me.

But uh I'm rooting for central middle school, so junior high central Cougars.

So they're gonna be in the house purple to go.

So look looking forward to this weekend.

It does bring a lot of the community out, uh, people from all people, it's like a reunion.

It's like a city reunion.

And so people come back home to come to the uh cake bar tournament.

Um we also know that um school is coming up, school, you know.

So we have back to school rallies.

Uh BCD has a back to school rally at New Life on August 16th, mission in the city park, uh right there on Jane Street, um, backpack giveaway.

Um, I'm pretty sure there's plenty of other backpack giveaways in the city as well.

And so, you know, um be on the lookout for that.

Uh anybody that's in the need for backpack backpacks and school supplies.

And um, I just like to say that um myself coming up on a year as being on city council.

You know, this is uh like a freshman in this thing here, and so there's a lot to learn.

There's a lot, you know, a lot going on, a lot of things that we have to process throughout this journey.

And so, you know, I just ask the community to be patient with us as we process the things that's going on.

Every issue that we have in our city is like a glass ball, and so you try not to drop them, right?

Because something may break.

And so we're just trying to juggle those things and be effective while we're up here.

But um, that's all I have to say.

Um thank you, Mayor.

Thank you.

Next, we have Council Warman.

Thank you, Mayor.

Um, thank you to everyone that uh came today and spoke.

Uh appreciate the the um input from the community.

Congratulations and um thank you to the soup kitchen, and thank you so much for everything you do all the time, every day, and all the volunteers.

Um you change people's lives on a daily basis.

So thank you.

Thank you for that.

Um I'll echo what uh council men ball said.

Um, you know, as a city council, we will handle our handle the business that we need to handle, and we do appreciate your patience, and um we do need to hear hear from uh the city of Saginaw, you know.

Um we do have a process, but the city of Saginaw, their voices matter.

Um I did want to invite everyone on the 23rd of August.

Uh Mount Olive on 6th Street is uh doing a community event, um giving away diapers, giving away food, there will be music, there'll be prizes, it's just something great for the city of Saginaw on 6th Street, and that's again August 23rd um Saturday.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Next we have Council Woman Hammond.

Thank you, Madam Mayor.

Um first uh thank you, Mr.

Lawrence, for organizing your event, and thank you for coming and inviting the council.

And uh, yeah, so you can't uninvite me now.

So I'm gonna be there.

I'm gonna be there, and I'm gonna, yep.

Yep, you might regret it, but I'll be there.

I'm gonna I'm gonna bring all the energy.

Um I I love I love I love kickball.

Um and uh I I I so I and I apologize because I I wanted to pivot to a more serious note because we have had some unconscionable violence in our city.

Um it seems like we always have something that happens again when we're here again, and it it it is incredibly difficult to feel so powerless in this moment.

Um I heard was the sentiment that our city is starving for peace.

And I I think that's felt I think that's felt by everyone.

I think it's felt by everyone at this table and everyone in this room.

Um I also want to say that what some people might think of as justice or street justice is just as violent as every other kind of violence out there.

Every bullet fired from a gun is a bullet that could end up in a child.

I don't think that's what anybody goes out intending to do, but that unfortunately is sometime sometimes what happens, and it is the entire community that pays the price.

Um thank you.

Um I'm all set.

Thank you.

Next, we have council one.

Thank you so much, Mayor.

Um, first of all, I'd like to say thank you so much for coming to your city council meeting.

Uh appreciate everyone that uh spoke today.

Uh whatever, whatever it was that you had to speak about today.

Um I would not respond to Mr.

Lawrence.

No, I'm just playing.

He knows I'm there.

I've been at every uh kickball, I believe that you had, it's been awesome.

Awesome to the point that no violence ever.

If it was, it was nothing to be mentioned.

It might have been something small, if it was.

I've never seen any violence.

And I say thank you so much for uh bringing that to Saginaw.

It is spread everywhere, every so many places, so many other cities uh want to uh connect with that, and that's awesome.

You know, connection is awesome.

Um I would be remiss not to mention, and uh that a baby, a child, has lost their life because of violence in this city.

That's what I want to talk about.

Uh and we can come together and pray for that family.

That that's what I want to talk about.

Uh I know from this table.

Uh, the young lady that got up and spoke said that I said I would soon say something, and that is uh a person's ability would assume me.

I'm still going to say something to my community.

That has not changed.

So my soon and your soon may be different.

I'm definitely going to address my community.

Uh at this point, my legal team wants to hold off on that, and that's what I'm going to do.

I'm definitely going to uh address my community.

And no, you don't have all the answers uh right now.

I'm going to address my community.

That's goes without saying.

Uh the African Cultural Festivals this past weekend, and it's been is greater than it was before.

It gets better, better every year.

So my kids told me to quit saying kudos, but I just have to say kudos to the festival committee.

It was awesome, awesome this year.

So if you missed it, you missed the treat.

So, and again, thank you so much to everyone, and thank you so much to all of my supporters and thousands and thousands of people that voted me in the midst of whatever is going on.

And like I said, you will hear from me and my legal team.

Thank you so very much, and you have a great rest of the day.

Thank you.

Next, we have Councilwoman Seals.

Thank you, Madam Mayor.

Um in this off on a positive note, and just say that the public libraries of Saginaw will have a children's fun night with Saginaw County Parks and Red on August 13th.

Um it's going to begin at 5 30 Faye Core Recreation Area.

Um, they also will have a book to movies club movie called Marley and Me.

We're gonna be showcasing that on August 16th at 2:30 p.m.

at Butland Fish Library.

Um, the public libraries will also be showcasing the summer vacation.

A lot of kids talk about the summer vacation, they enjoyed that.

Um that's gonna be on August 16th at 2 p.m.

at Button Fish Library.

Um, the uh lawn chair film festival at Old Town Saginaw City is going to be on August 17th.

Um they're gonna be showcasing a league of their own.

Um that's gonna be on Adams and Hamilton.

It's gonna be free at 7 p.m.

Um also the Rocky Park at um 400 Letty Drive on August 19th.

They're going to be uh doing the picnic in the park concert series, and their theme is gonna be rain out.

So they're saying bring bring a picnic, lawn chair, and enjoy a free concert.

So you can also arrange a tour at the Rockey Park at the Rucky Child Home.

Tours are arranged on a regular request.

They're about 30 to 45 minutes at the Rocki House.

So for more info, you can reach out to the friends of Rucky.org, or you can go to Facebook at Friends of Rocky.

Um also I appreciate Charles and I've never been to a kickball game, so I will attend my first one this year.

So I never liked kickball, but I will so well athlete all my life, but kickball was the one the sports that I actually played because I would break a toe.

So I will attend one, and you all make sure that you'll see me.

So you know I was there.

So I will come look for you so you will see me.

So I will make sure that I'm there this year.

Thank you, Madame Mayor.

Thank you.

Next, we have Mayor Pro Jim Garcia.

Good evening, concerned citizens of the community.

Thank you for coming out and attending the meeting this evening.

Just want to say thanks to the East IT soup kitchen.

Um, I am the vice president of the board there, and I also consider them my family now.

They go above and beyond so much more.

We have dedicated volunteers for over 20 years.

I can't even imagine that's a long time.

People don't even work that long.

You know, it's like you're retiring from something you love to do.

And um, I love to go and help on my days off that I can get over there and just fellowship with the people.

You you meet different walks of life.

You know, I have some of the seniors that I get to sit and talk with, and then the kids that are there.

I know they're getting ready to go back to school, so I won't see them as much, but I always go.

It's tradition that I go on Thanksgiving to spend with them before I go with my family just to be thankful for what I have because we're all one paycheck away from being in that situation.

We just don't know what's ahead of us, you know.

So we just got to be thankful for what we have.

So thank you guys for doing such a great job and the cooks there, and they always care to me.

They spoil me, I want to say when I'm there, but um, if you ever want to volunteer, come on out.

We'll be happy to take you.

And then also to Mr.

Lawrence.

Um, yes, I see it on Facebook.

I'm gonna try to make an appearance, I believe it's Saturday.

Okay.

Yes, I'm gonna come down there if I get a chance.

Um, we have so many great events in this community.

If you guys aren't getting involved in something positive, I don't know what you're doing because I come down this way all the time.

I'm down the road, and we just had the um art fair that was happening Friday and Saturday, and it was hot as heck, but there was people out there and they were taking advantage, you know.

Even the credit union had the free zoo for the kids yesterday, and I seen the families taking their kids, you know.

It's just nice that there's so many positive things.

Of course, we're gonna have some negative effects.

That's just life, you know.

I know Flynn just had their 801 yesterday, they had some violence there.

We can't control their people, we can control ourselves and be mindful.

And like you say, you see something, say something, you know.

That that's the most biggest thing we can do is not holding information.

If we know something, we just need to talk.

We can't know none of this, no snitching no more, you know.

There's people those families' lives are being changed upside down.

And I know from past experience with one of my family members that was a domestic violence, they got murdered here in the city of Saginaw Fond.

So it hit homes for me.

A lot of this stuff I see forehand, and um, if we don't speak up, we're never gonna, you know, heal our city.

That's right.

We really need to stick together, and um, it takes a village, you know.

So, and as far as other matters, um, with Miss Silva, um, we have protocol that we have to do too.

We hear the concerns of the community, believe me, we're listening, and we have to make sure that we do the right things as well because we have to take a stance on both sides when you have legal issues involved.

So we do hear the community, and we will have to make the decision when the time comes.

So thank you for being patient.

We appreciate you guys and have a good night.

God bless.

Uh, I guess it's my time.

Bright one, let me say this.

If you have not been to Friday Night Live, you've been missing out.

It's been hot, but we've been having a good time.

This Friday is Motown.

On the 23rd, they would we would do a makeup for Stevie night, which is a Saturday, so we're going from a Friday to a Saturday.

But the day before, team one will be at Joe Park.

Please come out and enjoy.

I hear continuously about nothing to do.

Well, I beg to differ.

It's a lot to do.

I went to the Black Guys Festival, sweaty, sweaty, sweaty.

The heat was hot.

I went to the film fest, burnt up.

I didn't go this week because I'm like, okay, I can't get sick right now.

Can't get sick, got too much to do.

Mr.

Noise, okay.

You know what?

I want y'all to know you can't bad him when he's doing the kickball.

Because he on the mic.

He running around.

And so you gotta you gotta actually do a 91 to get him.

It is an exciting event.

Trust me.

I'm 70 now, trying to kick a ball.

But I do plan on coming.

The thing that intrigues me and it just really fascinates me about the city of Saginaw.

When we need to pull together, we pull together.

Whether it's good or bad, we pull together.

The city is growing.

We're growing.

I sat in my car and I had people come up to me and say, You okay?

I'm fine.

We've got to make some tough decisions.

Citizens, please don't think that we're overlooking them.

We're not overlooking.

There's protocol.

And when there's protocol, we've got to do a decent and in order.

You hear me say it all the time.

It's a new season, it's a new day.

We hear you.

We see you.

We know.

I know what my O said.

As a matter of fact, 12 years, if I don't know by now, I'll never know.

It said to stand up and uphold justice.

I'm a firm believer.

Justice is justice.

It's not just me.

It's all of us.

It encompasses a big gamut.

So, citizens, thank you so much for being patient.

Thank you so much for your support.

At this point, Friday night, be there, be square.

It's Motown.

Come early.

If you want to get a seat, bring your seat.

Because we bought the party hardy.

And you will see your mayor in rare floor for Motown.

Chuggy, I'll be at your thing too, so don't think you get away without seeing me this week.

I will be there.

Not kicking at ball, and don't even ask.

Thank you so much, Madam Clark.

Mayor, that takes us to reports from the manager.

Mr.

Manager.

Thank you, Madam Mayor.

And um first I want to mention an event that uh STARS is teaming up with the Dow Credit Union to host money on the move on Thursday, August 14th, 10 to 3 at the StARDs Regional Services Plaza at 615 South Johnson Street.

The van is designed to provide practical tips through interactive booths, engaging conversations and valuable resources.

And this is a very important service.

I'm really glad they're doing this.

Low to moderate income households in the U.S.

spend a disproportionately large amount on financial fees.

Payday loans, check caching, overdraft fees, money orders.

So I'm sure they can pick up some great information at this event.

I think STARS is giving free rides, so I'm really glad they're doing that.

This is uh amazing amount of money, 252 billion dollars in 2021 on fees and interest, financial fees and interest, and 83% of that total was for low to paid by low to moderate income households.

Very significant cost.

So if these kind of programs are awesome, there's other ones out there too, and um hopefully we can help promote those.

Uh Habitat, I think has a new homeowner program.

So the more information we can get out on that in the better.

Also, this uh Saginaw Economic Development Corporation would like to remind small businesses and owners and food truck vendors that there is still time to register and be a part of the 2025 Small Business Expo, which is going to be August 28th from 4 to 8 p.m.

at the SVRC outdoor marketplace.

Uh you can sign up right now for early bird pricing.

The theme for the 2025 Small Business Expo is shop small dream big and is an opportunity for local business owners to showcase their unique products and services and connect with other local business owners from the Saginaw community.

So uh great work by the SEDC staff and the small businesses.

They've been doing this for a few years now, and it's it's been pretty successful and pretty popular.

I also want to congratulate uh the Savoy Bar and Grill.

If uh those of you may have seen that they were selected to receive a match on Maine grant from the Michigan Strategic Fund.

Match on Maine is a critical tool for supporting place-based small businesses in communities across Michigan serving as a catalyst and driving small business across the state.

Uh Saginaw Downtown Development Authority through Saginaw Future assists small businesses with those applications.

So if you know any small businesses that are looking for additional grant money, um I think they have to be in the main street area, but contact the DDA and they can help apply for those grants.

Uh, been pretty successful, I think, over the last few years at getting those.

Uh citywide meeting is this Wednesday.

Um again, we're uh having an additional ARPA presentations.

It's at the Saginaw Community Action Center, 2824 Perkins Street, Wednesday, August 13th at 530.

And uh finally, the clerk did mention this a little bit more information.

The city is hosting an informational meeting about the future of the water treatment plant on Friday, August 22nd at 10 a.m.

here at the Anderson Enrichment Center.

The city is currently working with Fishback Engineering to complete a water treatment plant study, which will determine the long-term future of the plant.

The existing plant right over here is nearly a hundred years old, and a lot of the equipment there is reached uh the end of its useful life.

The study will recommend a direction for the future of the plant, which could either include major equipment replacement and rehabilitation at the current plant or building a new plant at a new location.

If a new plant were to be built, the existing plant would be reimagined with a new purpose that would benefit the community.

This meeting is to educate, inform the public about what has been completed on the study today, get public input and hear questions or concerns.

So this is part of their long-term planning process.

It's completely necessary at this point.

Um really have to appreciate the staff at the Saginaw water plant because some of that equipment is so old, they machine the parts.

So without the staff there doing that, we wouldn't be able to get a lot of replacement parts for those items.

Um we'll see um what input we get and what the study does show.

Um so we're looking forward to that.

Uh as you can imagine, it's an enclosed area, so sometimes it's difficult to make all the modern changes in there, but I think so far they've done a great job with what they're what they've got there.

But this will be an important next step for our future for the plant.

And uh, Madam Mayor, those are all the items that I have.

We have any questions?

Class CD management.

Yes, Councilwoman.

Thank you.

Um, so for did you say that the um committee of the whole is August 25th?

Yes.

Okay, what time?

At 5 30.

Yep, right here.

Those are technically two questions, madam mayor.

So I have additional, but yes, Councilwoman.

Say August 22nd here.

Uh it's the same night as the next council meeting, the 25th, Monday the 25th at 5 30.

Okay.

So it'll be before the council meeting.

Okay.

Thank you.

That's all I have.

Thank you.

Okay.

Councilwell.

I would like to make sure that either the intent of that meeting before after, obviously, committee of the whole, we can't make decisions, but I want to make sure that we're including partners in our discussions when we do get down to goals, just like we should have you know the land bank present as a partner when we're talking about what we need to do with land bank properties and housing commission with what we need to do with with housing and public housing and things like that.

So I'm not sure if there's a way because I've never been a part of our committees of the whole in order to have them like be a part of that discussion formally if that's something that can be can happen.

Otherwise, either you know, before or after that meeting, making sure that those partners, you know, that we can come together and come to an agreement about how we're gonna reach some of the goals because I I think that those parts are really important.

Do you do you know if there's a process for us to be able to there is public input at a committee of the whole, it's not a participatory meeting.

Yeah.

So you know what I would recommend is we're going there's not a hurry to approve the goals necessarily.

We've been you know, we approved the missions vision statement.

So we'll have these goals, we'll present them.

Um I'll have a memo that you can share however if you want to have additional meetings with after the committee of the whole and get additional input, that would be fine.

It's not something you have to approve at the next meeting.

As you said, you can't take action at the committee of the whole, so there'll be a discussion and you can take that out to the community further if you want.

Um I would recommend if people are interested to sign up and um and uh speak or just come to to see what it is that we're talking about.

They're not changed a lot.

We'll have some additions to them, some modifications based on the input that I've received.

Uh I was already contact.

So we're the way the committee of the whole works, we're gonna be doing part of it on the strategic planning and then part of it on the tax cap the talking points.

But I was already contacted by a group that's interested in the tax cap that wants to make sure we update them, so I invited them to attend.

So if there's other organizations like that that you think would be would benefit from seeing these presented, uh please invite them and we'll we'll keep uh trying to publicize it as well.

Thank you.

And then um my other question was about the um memo that was received on Friday regarding some ARPA recipients.

Um thank you for answering a lot of the questions that I had in depth.

Um obviously I wasn't around when we made a lot of those decisions, and I haven't ever worked with Guide House since being on the council.

Um I did speak with um uh Yolanda and Lori just before our meeting today, and I do have a lot of additional questions to dig into there.

Um they said it wasn't necessarily a a process that needs to be done immediately.

So I I would like to take the time to dig in more because it sounds like the core issue stems around what guide house or or us or what what the interpretation of some of the IRS rules are for direct versus indirect and then also allowable versus not allowable spending.

So is is that something that we can make happen in the near future?

Yeah, yep, it's not something you have to decide this evening.

Okay, it's um read it over more.

We I know that you got a lot of the responses today, so probably everyone probably hasn't had a chance to read those over.

So go through that.

It's not something that's an immediate issue, but I want you to be aware of it and um eventually, hopefully in the next couple meetings, um we'll have some progress toward that.

But we can set up additional information sessions for council members who are interested.

Thank you so much.

Anyone you always nod right here yes, council money.

Um I I'd like to be involved in that as well.

So if there are more informational meetings, I'd really really would like to be there.

And and just I did ask um very quickly, but just to be clear, no monies have been released as of yet to the Indabo, right?

Right, correct.

Yeah, yep, we're still working through that.

So if any council member that's interested, just send me and Vicky an email and we'll get something set up.

Okay, thank you.

Yes, council.

If I have a question too on to that email too, are there um are there any established scheduled reports or updates for you know required between the two guide house and the actual like in DABO throughout the process?

It seemed like there's like a reading like there's a miscommunication process going on.

Yeah, I mean there have been emails going back and forth, so it it might be good to for you to especially the individuals who are newer to the council within the last year.

I know the rest of rest of council went through a lot of the monitoring process and knows about how that review process went, but especially our new members.

Um we can maybe sit down with you and go through this.

Is this was the process by which after allocation, this is what Guide House did, this is what they approved for all the organizations, and then get into detail of this individual case.

Yes, I would like to be a part of that because I mean being new on council getting the question for our buttons, you know.

Yeah, I I understand that.

I mean, we've been for years going through this, and I know some council members, so they they're probably operating at a different uh you know uh base level, so definitely we can set something like that up.

Yes, counselor.

Uh Tim, same same topic on this.

So was there a de minimis on payroll for this at all?

Because I see like on what the memo that we were sharing is like 67% of this is payroll.

Yeah, so um it depends.

Yeah, it depends on the the category, and then sometimes if it's if it's an outside fiduciary, it may be a higher admin cost.

It it varies by agency.

I don't think I don't know if there's a maximum on indirect costs necessarily.

Um we can get you that.

That's my Yolanda and Lori work on that more closely than I do, but some organiz like we didn't charge any indirect admin on the programs that we administered, and I think there are some other uh ARPA recipients that probably have very little to no administrative costs, especially the capital projects, but then some of them if it's an outside agency, it might be a higher percentage.

So we could probably get a summary on that for you too.

Okay, thanks.

Yes, councilman.

While we're getting those summaries together, um I would like to uh know how much money did the city council know how much money we got left.

Uh what organizations that we already gave money to is asking for more money so we can disperse this money and get this thing over and done with so we can get this money in the community.

Um there is no money left.

Okay, did there's no money you allocated all of the funding that was available?

Yes.

And I thought some of it was where it was no money left, and how can she not have the money that's it's allocated to organizations, not every organization has drawn down all of the funds.

Okay, so all the money been allocated.

Yes.

Okay, good, good.

We don't want to send no money back.

I think we we might have it on the website.

I'll send a link out to council, but we do have a report that shows each organization and the amount they were allocated, the amount expended so far.

Tim, I just I think just uh to reminder for the council too.

Whatever money has caught back.

Um we'll go into a back-to-home improvements and there was something else.

We voted on that, right?

So that's refresh memory, we voted.

We will not be giving out allocating more money to agencies who already received it.

We voted to put the money back in the furnaces and the roofs and proven parts.

Um did we also um ask for any performance um expedition reports like far as how they you know what how the process then we asked for that.

I think someone asked for that before.

That's what I thought.

So any like any performance reports or anything and then catch, I got y'all.

Oh, Lori come up, she's she deals with it every day.

Yeah, yes, every uh sub-recipient has uh monthly or quarterly monitoring and a sampling of all of their expenses is reviewed.

And um the cap on admin is 10% for an indirect cost.

Can I ask you a question?

Hold on, let's go to that in.

Okay.

Can we uh Madam Mayor, can we pull that uh vote when you talked about uh we had voted on um reallocating the money to hold can we go back so everyone can feel you know okay, this is when it happened, this is the vote, etc.

Right, uh pull that so everyone can feel cool.

I mean, good.

Okay, so the question was can we go back and we just send out an email or communication on when what needing we voted?

And that was before the new elects came on board because we didn't want we wanted to try to eliminate starting all the other because it was a big task into where we got to.

So city manager can you and Lloyd make that happen, or I'm sorry, Chris.

I'm sucked.

Yeah, I think it was September.

Yeah, it was like September 2024.

September 2024.

Yeah, I believe so.

It would be it would be in the it would be in the board package.

Again, I keep reminding, and and I don't mean to hire phone my newly elected, but some of this you gotta go back to read.

Because there were things done before my time, and I had to go back and read.

And so if I can get even if we have to have a study session where y'all got questions, I'm sure we could arrange it.

Some of us oldies can help get y'all up to speed on where we are.

I say all these.

Yeah, I think Mayor, it'll be we can do something, especially with the the uh members who are didn't go through the whole ARPA process, so we'll sit down with them.

Um just so everyone understands one of the reasons why we wanted to get things allocated was because in November we had an election, and the rules were pretty fluid.

The Treasury, in fact, was changing rules under President Biden throughout the process.

Yes, rules changed after that.

So we wanted to make sure we had everything allocated out to organizations, and and we did have that, and we and then our backup was to allocate if anything came back to allocate half of that to our home program and our not CDBG home program, but the home program council approved and then parks and recreation.

Yes, California Bradley, did you have a question?

No, no, I'll council on it.

Thank you.

Um, just that quick question.

Um Ms.

Pugh uh spoke earlier, she said that guide hole guide house told them that they did not have to report quarterly.

Why would that be I'm not sure about that?

It's quarterly or monthly.

Okay, and it's based on the risk that your organization is deemed or the funding, it's not just the organization's risk, it's the funding risk as well.

And so this was considered high-risk funding because it may not be eligible under 2.22.

Thank you.

Any other questions?

Yes, Councilman.

Can she can uh Miss Laurie please explain?

Do you all know what 2.22 is?

I've read that thank you.

Ms.

Lloyd, please get with councilwater and come on up and tell them what 2.22 is.

Strong, healthy neighborhoods.

Well, you know, everywhere when you go, you got acronyms, so any other questions, yes.

Would would gardening be part of uh strong healthy neighborhoods?

Yes, okay.

I just wanted to be any other questions hearing none, thank you so much, Mr.

Manager, Madam Clerk on to the consent agenda.

The gazette agenda has been available at City Hall and on the web page.

I need a motion to approve the to approve the agenda, leaving room for exceptions.

So move.

Second.

We have any exception.

Yes, number 10.

You know what?

Nah, I'll get out of room.

Normally it's the city manager.

They leave it on me.

Okay, so we just have number 10 for exception.

All those in favor signal by saying aye.

Aye, all those opposed, nay.

Madam Clerk.

Item number 10 is to approve the purchase with Urban SDK Incorporated for 23,725 for the urban SDK base plan license for the public services department engineering.

Thank you.

Hi.

Thank you.

Good afternoon.

Good afternoon, so um, first, can you uh describe what is urban SDK and what is the license uh what is the nature of the license that we're seeking to enter into an agreement with?

Yeah, so this is uh kind of a newer technology, so urban SDK um is a company that uses uh third-party vendor to have access to basically I'm gonna call them a black box within the vehicles.

Yeah, um, it's not access to your cell phone systems or anything, but what it does is, and and currently there's only between 35 and 40 percent they anticipate of the vehicles that will have the black box, so the information we get will not be from 100% of the vehicles, but they they're planning that probably in the next three to five years, 80 to 90 percent will have.

But what what what it'll allow for the city to do is we get you know hundreds and hundreds of requests for speeding problems and traffic congestion, and um, and right now our processes of getting that information, it takes like two people.

And if you've ever driven down the road and you see a traffic counter tied to a pole and then a tube ran across the road, it's more of a labor-intensive manual process to gather this information that we'll now be able to just have at our hands um with this software program.

And then what they also do is take our historical information as they're developing the program for the city and put it into the system.

So we will not only have our historical information related to uh traffic volumes and speeds um, but then as as you know, as we go to run reports and thing where we get requests, we'll be able to have immediate access to that.

What is the duration of this uh base plan license?

This one is for one year.

We're gonna kind of just do a test period and see how well it works, and then what we're gonna do is um when we get it up and running, we're even gonna run like a test base.

We're gonna pick some of our more major streets and set our own counters, and we're gonna try to run those numbers of actual having the counters versus the data we get from them and see how it compares to determine the accuracy of it and if we're happy with it and we're getting the information, it'll it'll free up a lot of resources for us because our traffic counters are very expensive.

I mean, they're like eight to twelve thousand dollars each now, and we have like eight to twelve of them as we try to place them throughout the city, and then it's unsafe for the individual to be out there placing them and walking across the street and pulling the tubes and sort of free some time up to let that individual do some other uh other things for the engineering division.

I hear you.

Okay.

And did urban SDK did they approach the city of Saginaw with this program?

No, we were researching it.

Uh Travis Hare, who's our city engineer, is kind of a younger, more into the technology and as technologies advancing them.

They did some research, and from what we can tell right now, they're the only company that we're aware of that actually offer this type of uh data analytics.

Okay.

And I will say that my my concern about Urban SDK and companies like Urban SDK is that the you know the the third-party vendor information that they get is a lot of collected information that consumers are not aware of that their cars have in them, like the little on star, like the little progressive trackers that you plug in, ping's data, and then they just sell it to whoever comes along and buys it.

And I also I kind of laughed at their idea that it would go from 30% usage to 90% usage.

That didn't sound all together co share.

I I I appreciate the idea of of testing it out for a year and seeing if it could save money.

Um what kind of uh ball benchmarks would you be using to after a year observing whether or not it's it's a successful purchase in your eyes?

Yeah, we wouldn't wait till the year because we're gonna start looking at it right away, probably within the first three to six months.

And like I said, we're gonna utilize our existing, not out of everything we go to study, right?

I mean, we get right now.

I'm getting several complaints of cut-through traffic volumes through some of our road construction areas.

Well, the only way we could go determine if that's actually happening is take two people, go out and set up these road tube counters that'll take all day, and then we got to leave them out there for three to five days and then go bring them back and then run the data and try to analyze it.

This would be able to help that have that information, you know, right at our hand.

And as technology is increasing, we just want to get ahead of the game.

I mean, we know that probably in the next five to ten years.

You know, that this is all we're probably gonna have.

So we're you know, the road tube counters and all that are already going away.

So we're just trying to get ahead of the game and be more advanced with some of our technologies to make us more efficient in our engineering division.

What do you mean that they're going away?

Because uh it seems like most of like the road surveys mandate that process.

Yeah, but what I'm saying is the manual labor of set because of the safety issues and of physically, I'm saying there's other technologies that are being put out throughout all the states that are getting away from setting the manual counters and the manual tubes pulling them across the street, you know, with information as you talked about with.

I mean, you we won't have any personal information as to whose car that is or whose box that is.

All we'll know is the speed and that it went across this this roof.

It won't have that Phil Carwatt owned it or I I think what Phil's talking about is the fewer people we can have out on the streets placing devices and working, it's gonna be safer.

Yeah, we just I don't know if it was in the news if but we had an individual one of our road workers hit.

Was that last fall, Phil?

Yep.

And it's becoming more and more common.

We've had several vehicles hit because of the phones, people aren't paying attention when they're driving.

Very unsafe.

Even our uh our fire department works as a blocker on accidents a lot of times because police vehicles have been hit.

So that's what Phil's referring to, trying to get people fewer people outplacing these kind of devices.

It just makes it safer.

And I think to add to that, I don't know about all the all the vehicles, but I know with my car, it asks me if I want to share the data.

You you opt in or you can opt out, so I'd imagine that's probably true on a lot of them.

Is that right?

Do you know if you're I don't know that Tim, I'm not an expert in the um, but this is just you know knowing my city engineer and a deputy director reviewed it and what I know of it.

I I haven't I don't know all the intimacies between between whether or not you can turn the box on or turn it off.

I do know that it doesn't give you any personal information related to the owner or anything else, it gives you a speed and a location.

The other thing, yeah, I don't I don't even know if it may even give us the type of vehicle, whether it's just a passenger vehicle or uh commercial vehicle of sorts too, but I will say, Tim, uh my car is not that fancy, it doesn't ask any questions.

Doesn't talk to me.

Um mine just blinks a red light at me, tells me I need an oil or something's wrong with the case.

Is it blinking right now?

No way a motion to approve.

We had another question about this.

A motion to approve.

Can I get a second?

Second.

Second.

Yeah.

That's all right.

Discussion.

She made me go through all the debt to say nothing.

Okay.

Yes.

I just wanted to say um, because it's not in the form of a question.

I I still have a lot of reservations about using um consumer data and AI modeling and transitioning over from people whose consent is is not readily available and third encouraging third parties to keep repackaging it and selling it to municipalities and selling it to whoever they want, however they want for live location data is not something that I'm personally comfortable with, but that's all I gotta say.

Okay.

So we have a motion on the floor.

All those in favor signify by saying aye.

Aye.

All those opposed, nay.

Nay.

Roll call vote.

Yes.

Councilmember Seals.

Aye.

Councilmember Balls.

Yes.

Mayor Protem Garcia.

Aye.

Councilmember Astache?

Yes.

Councilmember Braddock.

Yes.

Councilmember Wiggins.

Aye.

Councilmember Hammond.

Nay.

And Mayor Moore.

Yes.

You have eight yes and one no.

That motion is approved.

Okay.

The board, commission, and committee reports.

Do we have any reports from any group they admit that is associated with something that is improving the city of Stagna?

Okay.

I'm steady clearing up the room, y'all.

I must be, I must be slipping or something.

Oh steady walking.

Okay, Madam Clerk.

On two resolutions.

Our first on the agenda is approving the revocation of obsolete property rehabilitation act exemption certificate number 3-22-0018 granted to landmark Saginaw LLC for the project located at 101 North Washington Avenue and 11 East Genesis Avenue.

I need a motion to adopt.

It's been moved and adopted.

Is there any discussion?

Yes.

Um I was just wondering for the revocation of the Oprah exemption certificate.

Does this include any kind of um is it just basically a resetting of the property tax rate?

Is there any kind of clawback process beyond this?

And and can we expect um uh uh any kind of reassessment or you know what I'm asking?

Like, is there anything we're getting back out of this agreement?

Yeah, it's just resetting it back to one parcel normal tax rate.

Okay, I appreciate that.

And I'd love some follow-up information on this, but I will ask some questions after after it was it was because the project fell through landmark never acquired the property.

Yes, and so it's best to revoke the Oprah in case a future developer would like to apply for one as well.

They never acquired the property.

They never acquired it.

It was under agreement.

Okay, and so council showed support of the Oprah.

And I believe there was a brown field too that's going to come before you to be abolished too.

Interesting.

It's just that the project fell through.

Got it.

All right, thank you.

You're welcome.

Any other questions?

All those in favor, signify by saying aye.

Aye.

All those opposed, madam clerk.

My second resolution is authorizing the application for the Saginaw Community Foundation grant program.

I need a motion to adopt.

So I'll move a second.

It's been moved to support any questions.

All those in favor signify by saying aye.

Aye.

All those opposed.

Madam Clerk.

Our third resolution is authorizing sponsors of the specified community event to use amplifying equipment.

I need a motion to adopt.

So move for any questions.

All those in favor signify by saying aye.

All those opposed, nay.

Madam Clerk.

Our final resolution is authorizing the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages during the specified community event.

I need a motion to adopt.

So a second.

It's been moved in support.

Any questions?

All those in favor signify by saying aye.

Aye.

All those opposed, nay.

I'm to miscellaneous business.

Okay, so I'd like to make a motion that the city that the city staff begin to prepare a resolution declaring the vacancy of the council position effectively upon Miss Lamar Sylvia citizen.

Per our section 92 charter for consideration at the next meeting.

All of you are just sit down.

Copies of the 92.

There's a motion on the floor.

So I've got a second.

Discussion.

Yes.

So to further clarify this for the public.

No.

Go ahead.

Okay.

Motion that we're making, or that the mayor just made is part of that process that we talked about.

There's something at sentencing is called judgment of conviction.

That is what solidifies the conviction from the jury.

So there's no we as a council can't take any action against Lamar Civil.

Councilwoman.

It's the process is playing out now as.

And so this resolution is just to say this is what our charter says.

This is what's going to happen, and we have to deal with it.

Thank you.

Any other discussion?

Unfortunately.

No other discussion.

All those in favor signify by saying aye.

Aye.

All those opposed.

Still under miscellaneous business.

I'm sorry.

You're still under miscellaneous business.

I know we have we have a conference coming up in September the 17th.

Oh, I'm sorry.

Madam Club can read this.

You want me to read the motion language?

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's to designate an official representative of the city and an alternate for the Michigan Municipal League annual meeting to be held in Grand Rapids September 17th through the 19th, 2025.

Let me tell you what that's about.

That's about any event that I'm not available to go.

There will be a spokesperson that will represent Saginaw and vote.

At that time at MML, they will be installing new trustees and key positions will be built.

And each citizen, each residence or each county, villages, cities, we all have an obligation to vote for or against.

Second.

Okay.

Discussion.

No, I tried to be looking like what just happened.

I just want to quick to restate the motion.

In full.

Designate Mayor Moore as the official representative of the city and Mayor Potem Garcia as the alternate for the Michigan Municipal League annual meeting to be held in Grand Rapids September 17th through the 19th, 2025.

Thank you.

So if I get sick, I won't be going.

Okay.

So we got a motion on the floor.

All those in favor signify by saying aye.

Aye.

All those opposed, nay.

Ayes have it.

I need a motion to adjourn.

So move.

It's been moved in support.

All those in favor signify.

Don't y'all move.

By saying I.

Aye.