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Saginaw City Council Meeting - September 9, 2025

City CouncilTuesday, September 9, 2025
BodySaginaw, Michigan
SessionCity Council
DateTuesday, September 9, 2025
StatusFILED
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0:10

Good evening.

0:14

I'd like to take a moment of silence for one of our mayors who who passed on the glory this morning.

0:22

Ms.

0:22

Ham.

0:23

Will Maham.

0:25

And we will be led by prayer by Gacenta Seals, and I will do the pledge.

0:32

Let's take a moment of silence, please.

0:38

Thank you.

0:41

You would like to participate.

0:43

Father God, we thank you for our past and our past leaders that have leaded us and guided us through all types of situations and trials.

0:55

We thank you for every type of support and leadership that have given us and have provided for us through all the times that have gotten us to this place that we are here today, God.

1:10

We thank you for the seasons that are upon us now that it is a new day for us to walk into.

1:17

And most high God, we thank you for showing up and showing out for us.

1:21

We are ready to do your will.

1:23

And we thank you for this new time in this new season.

1:28

In Jesus' name we pray, amen.

1:30

Amen.

1:31

I pledge to the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.

1:39

One nation under God into this vote with liberty and justice for all.

1:58

Madam Clerk, roll call, please.

2:01

Councilmember Seals.

2:02

Present.

2:04

Councilmember Balls is absent.

2:05

Mayor Protem Garcia.

2:07

Present.

2:08

Councilmember Astach.

2:09

Present.

2:10

Councilmember Braddock is absent.

2:12

Councilmember Wiggins.

2:13

Present.

2:14

Councilmember Ham.

2:15

Present.

2:16

And Mayor Moore.

2:17

Present.

2:18

You have six members present and two absent.

2:24

Okay, good evening, everyone.

2:26

Thank you so much for coming to City Council meeting tonight.

2:28

Just now housekeeping.

2:34

Please put your phone on vibrate or silence.

2:40

As well as your computer.

2:46

This is a public meeting, and we ask that you abstain from bullying clapping and any obnoxious behavior.

2:54

Once again, please put your phones on silence.

2:59

Madam Clark, do we have any announcements?

3:01

Yes, Mayor, we have a few.

3:03

The deadline for those wishing to apply for the city council vacancy is this Friday, September 12th at 4 p.m.

3:10

Applications are available in the city clerk's office.

3:13

On Monday, September 22nd, Council will conduct a committee of the whole session beginning at 4 p.m.

3:19

to interview candidates for the council vacancy.

3:22

The special single subject council meeting will begin at 6 p.m.

3:26

to consider an appointment to the council vacancy.

3:28

The regular council meeting will follow at 6:30.

3:32

The convenience station will be open this Saturday from 8 a.m.

3:35

to noon.

3:36

City residents may utilize the station to drop off bulky and miscellaneous items that need to be disposed of.

3:42

And lastly, resolutions two and three have been amended to clarify that council approval is contingent upon the Saginaw Downtown Development Authority's approval of an interlocal agreement with the Saginaw Brownfield Redevelopment Authority pertaining to the use of local tax increment revenues.

3:58

Mayor, that takes us to public hearings.

4:01

The purpose of a public hearing is for the public to address the council as a whole and for council to hear the comments from the speakers regarding a specific action being requested.

4:13

Speakers must limit their remarks to the subject of the public hearing.

4:18

Please state your name and say if you are in support or opposition of the subject of the public hearing.

4:25

The main designator speaker has 10 minutes.

4:28

Every speaker thereafter has three.

4:40

Okay.

4:41

Madam Clark.

4:42

Our first public hearing is regarding the comprehensive annual performance evaluation report for fiscal year 2024-2025.

4:52

Well, we got somebody up there, so I'm about to say it.

4:58

Good evening.

4:59

Greetings.

5:00

Mayor Moore, Councils, City Manager, Staff, our Department Head, Yolanda Bland is sitting to my left.

5:07

I am Kana Franklin.

5:08

I am the deputy director of community services, and I am here tonight to talk about the CAPER.

5:14

The City of Saginaw is an entitlement community.

5:17

We receive community development block grant, CDBG, home, and emergency solutions grant dollars.

5:24

It's required that we have two public hearings per program year.

5:28

We do one in the spring, and that's when we come and discuss what we plan to do with the money, and then we come now at the end of the year to tell you what happened with the money we had last year.

5:39

We have to open up a 15-day comment period.

5:49

So the public comment period will end at close of business on September 22nd.

5:54

All written comments are accepted and included in the paper.

5:59

Some of the accomplishments with CDBD funds this past year in the economic development category.

6:05

There were eight jobs created.

6:07

There were 17 properties demolished in our blight elimination program.

6:11

We had 344 senior citizens that participated in our Y Senior Connect program.

6:17

Over 5,800 children were serviced in youth summer activities and after school programs.

6:23

In our home program, we work with Saginaw Shire YC Habitat, and we have three newly constructed houses, 1407 and 1413 North Fayette, and 1530 North Oakley.

6:36

We do have some reconstructed houses as well.

6:39

In the emergency solutions grant, we funded four homeless shelters, the Underground Railroad for victims of domestic violence, interlinked for homeless youth, restoration community outreach is a male shelter, and mustard seed serves women and children.

6:54

We provided shelter for 621 people.

6:57

We also partnered with the United Way and provided some form of rapid rehousing or homeless prevention services to 64 households.

7:06

There are other benchmarks that we have to meet.

7:09

We can spend no more than 15% on public services or 20% of all dollars on administration.

7:15

We met those thresholds.

7:16

We have to discuss public and private partnerships, such as the ones we have with the land bank, Huntington Bank, Consumers Energy.

7:24

I have no reason to think that our report will not be accepted.

7:28

Thank you.

7:30

Thank you.

7:31

Is there anyone else who would like to speak to this subject?

7:38

Is there anyone else who would like to speak to this subject?

7:43

Last and final time.

7:45

Is there anyone else who'd like to speak to this subject?

7:50

I need a motion to close this hearing.

7:52

So it's been moved and second.

7:55

All those in favor signify by saying aye.

7:57

Aye.

7:58

All those opposed, nay.

7:59

Madam Clerk.

8:00

Our second public hearing is regarding the establishment of Neighborhood Enterprise Zone Covenant 3 in the City of Saginaw.

8:12

Hello, City Council members.

8:15

So this will be our third neighborhood enterprise zone that Covenant is looking to establish.

8:21

This one will be located just north of their campus.

8:31

I believe in the packet.

8:32

So essentially, what a neighborhood enterprise zone does is allow for tax abatements on any new or rehabbed homes within that area.

8:41

So as you guys know, Covenant has been working really hard with Habitat for Humanity to build some new homes.

8:47

They've picked out some different areas where there's empty blocks that can have new homes as well as they're encouraging homeowners in the area to rehabilitate their homes as well.

9:05

Is there anyone else who would like to speak to this subject?

9:10

Is there anyone else who'd like to speak to this subject?

9:14

Last and final time.

9:16

Is there anyone else who would like to speak to this subject?

9:21

I need a motion to close this hearing.

9:24

So move.

9:25

Second.

9:25

It's been moved and second.

9:27

All those in favor signify by saying aye.

9:29

All those opposed, nay.

9:32

Madam Clerk.

9:33

Her third public hearing is regarding the request from Metro Multi-Property Management LLC to create an obsolete property rehabilitation certificate at 301 North Hamilton Street.

9:46

Do we have anyone here?

9:48

Okay.

9:49

You just a little slow.

9:54

Okay.

9:56

Hello, Council members and residents here as well.

9:58

Nice to meet everybody.

10:00

I want to first thank you for your time.

10:02

My name is Kyle.

10:04

I'm the project manager for Metro Multi Construction and Remodeling.

10:07

We are currently preparing for the renovation of the 301 Hamilton Building, more commonly known as the Old Shook Hotel.

10:16

The proposal for renovation of the Shook Hotel is under discussion.

10:19

For years, the building has been vacant, representing a bygone era.

10:24

The building's decline has burdened the city with lost tax revenue, detracting from the downtown area.

10:31

The vision is to transform the SHOOC into a modern space that honors its history.

10:36

Plans include creating a first floor, bar and grill, and the development of multifamily residential units on the second and third floors.

10:45

The character and integrity of this building will be preserved while making it a cornerstone for the neighborhood's future.

10:53

To make the project financially feasible, approval is requested for an obsolete property rehabilitation act, a 12-year tax relief incentive that will allow the project to move forward, offsetting the cost of renovating a historic and neglected property.

11:10

A tax incentive is an investment made by the city, and a strong return is expected.

11:16

This project is designed to deliver significant benefits, including increased tax revenue, post incentive.

11:25

Once the 12-year abatement expires, the city's tax revenue from the property will increase substantially from the zero it currently provides to a market rate property tax on a completely revitalized building.

11:38

This isn't a long-term loss for the city.

11:41

It's a strategic delay for a much bigger win.

11:48

The economic impact.

12:07

Revitalizing a blighted building improves neighborhood aesthetics, increases property values, and fosters community pride.

12:16

A catalyst for growth.

12:18

This project can be a catalyst for further investment in this area.

12:22

Showing that this council is willing to partner with the business with businesses to improve our city will attract others who see the potential for growth here.

12:31

For us, transparency is a priority.

12:34

A financial analysis shows that without the incentive, the project would not be possible.

12:40

The high cost of restoring the building and bringing up to modern code while still offering competitive lease rates makes the obsolete property rehabilitation act a crucial piece of the puzzle.

12:52

A partnership is requested.

12:55

In closing, this is an opportunity to transform a symbol of decay into a symbol of progress.

13:01

Metro is ready to create something special for the residents of Saginaw.

13:05

With support, this cop this project can be a key part to the city's future.

13:14

Thank you.

13:16

Thank you.

13:18

Do we have anyone else who would like to speak to this subject matter?

13:29

Good evening, uh Mayor Moore, Mayor Pro Tim Garcia to all members of City Council and Manager Morales.

13:35

My name is Steve Hensley.

13:36

I'm the community economic development director with Saginaw Future.

13:39

I'm here to speak in local support and provide information on the obsolete rehabilitation tax exemption requests for the 301 North Hamilton property, also known as the Historic Shook Hotel, as Kyle mentioned.

13:51

The property was recently acquired by Kyle's organization, Metro Multi Property Management, and as we just heard, he has expressed a vested interest and intent on redeveloping the property into a mixed-use facility, maintaining the first floor bar and grill while creating a dozen residential units between the second and third floors.

14:11

The three-story building was constructed in 1867 and boasts just over 12,000 square feet.

14:17

It is a Saganal landmark steeped in history and that transcends generations.

14:22

This is a property that has garnered public interest and fascination for some time.

14:26

Saginaw Future continues to work with Metro Multi on the activation of qualifying resources, which will be necessary for the project of this magnitude.

14:36

The company has projected a construction cost of about $3.5 million.

14:41

The request, if approved, would provide a 12-year tax abatement.

14:44

Now the property taxes are based on the previous year's taxable value prior to rehabilitation.

14:50

So the taxable value prior to the rehab is then frozen for the duration of the exemption and in turn providing an incentive and tool for support to assist the developer in offsetting some expenses associated with the redevelopment.

15:03

The Oprah tax abatement is a common incentive utilized across the state of Michigan for commercial and commercial housing projects.

15:10

Supporting this request is just a small first step in supporting the future of one of Saginaw's most notable historic buildings, while also showing support toward a development that will expand and improve the city's housing inventory within the riverfront area.

15:24

The redevelopment of this project preserves history while also serving as part of the solution to a current need within our community.

15:31

On behalf of Saginaw Future and Metro Multi-construction, I do thank you for your consideration.

15:37

Thank you.

15:38

Is there anyone else who would like to speak to this subject matter?

15:46

Is there anyone else who'd like to speak to this subject matter?

15:51

Last and final time.

15:52

Is there anyone else who'd like to speak?

15:56

Hearing then, I need a motion to I need a motion to close this hearing.

16:00

Moved.

16:01

Second.

16:02

He's been moved to second.

16:03

All those in favor signify by say nye.

16:05

Aye.

16:06

All those opposed, nay.

16:07

Madam Clerk.

16:08

Our fourth public hearing is regarding the request to amend the Brownfield plan for the city of Saginaw to include the 400 federal redevelopment project located at 400 Federal Avenue.

16:21

Do we have anyone here that would like to speak?

16:23

I'll give them ready to say.

16:30

Good evening.

16:31

Mayor Moore, Mayor Pro Time Garcia, members of the council.

16:34

My name is Grace Smith, and I serve as an economic development coordinator with Saginaw Future.

16:38

I'm here tonight in support of the Brownfield Plan for the redevelopment of 400 Federal.

16:43

This project involves the transformation of a long underutilized two-story commercial building into a modern packing and receiving warehouse.

16:51

The redevelopment includes selective demolition, environmental remediation, and significant interior and exterior renovations.

16:58

Once complete, the facility will feature ground floor loading docks, office space, a common area, and a state-of-the-art logistics center designed to support growing business operations in the city of Saginaw.

17:10

This is a strategic investment in the heart of our city.

17:13

The $2.1 million project will not only return a vacant environmentally challenged property into productive use, but it will also support job creation, increase economic activity, and enhance the overall vitality of the downtown area.

17:27

The project is expected to generate new employment opportunities in logistics, administration, and facility operations while also encouraging additional investment in the surrounding neighborhood.

17:36

In addition to its economic promise, this project tackles long-standing environmental concerns that have hindered redevelopment at the site.

17:44

Through the Brownfield Plan, critical activities such as demolition, lead asbestos abatement, infrastructure upgrades are being addressed.

17:50

Steps that are essential to making the property safe and functional for modern use.

17:56

These are not the typical development costs, and without the support of this Brownfield program, this kind of revitalization would by would be financially out of reach.

18:05

This brownfield program is a powerful tool.

18:08

It enables us to reinvest in the properties that have been overlooked due to environmental constraints, transforming them into productive spaces that serve the community.

18:16

By leveraging the tax and commit financing, we can support the private investment while ensuring public health and safety standards are met.

18:24

Shaheen's development to com Shaheen Development's commitment to quality and community focused redevelopment makes them the ideal partner for this initiative.

18:33

Their work at 400 Federal Avenue is not just about renovating a building, it's about creating a foundation for future growth, attracting new businesses, and strengthening the economic fabric of our downtown.

18:43

Thank you for the consider your consideration.

18:46

Thank you.

18:47

Do we have anyone else who'd like to speak to this subject?

18:52

Do we have anyone else who'd like to speak to this subject?

18:57

Last and final time, do we have anyone else who'd like to speak to this subject?

19:03

I need a motion to close this hearing.

19:06

Support.

19:06

It's been moved in support.

19:08

All those in favor signify by saying aye.

19:10

Aye.

19:10

All those opposed, nay.

19:12

Madam Clerk.

19:13

Our fifth public hearing is regarding the request to amend the Brownfield plan for the City of Saginaw to include the Adams Street Redevelopment Project located at 303, 309 and 315 Adams Street, 212, 218, and 224 South Hamilton Street, 204 and 304 South Niagara Street, and 202 Mackinaw Street.

19:41

Good evening again.

19:43

Again, my name is Grace Smith.

19:45

I'm with Saginaw Future.

19:46

I'm here tonight to speak in support of the Adam Street Brownfield Redevelopment Plan.

19:51

This redevelopment involves the demolition of existing structures and a construction of a new four-story mixed-use building with two ground floor commercial spaces, 15 one-bedroom apartments, 15 two-bedroom apartments on the upper floors.

20:07

In addition, this includes a two-story, two three-story townhomes that will be constructed along Adam Street.

20:14

This project also includes covered and surface parking, new green space along South Niagara, and public improvements to the sidewalks and landscaping.

20:23

This is a transformative investment for the city of Saginaw.

20:26

This is an 11 million dollar project which will create modern housing and new commercial opportunities.

20:33

But it will also reactivate underutilized properties.

20:36

Once complete, the development is expected to support 10 new full-time jobs and generate lasting economic activity in the core of our city.

20:44

Equally important, this project addresses environmental challenges at the site.

20:48

This Brownfield plan includes demolition, asbestos abatement, due care activities, site preparation, and infrastructure improvements that will allow the properties to be safely redeveloped.

20:59

There are costs that these are costs that would not be existing at a greenfield site.

21:03

And the Brownfield program makes it possible to turn these long underutilized properties into feasible productive community assets.

21:11

Sheheen Development has a proven track record of successful investment and redevelopment in the Great Lakes Bay region.

21:17

Their projects consistently deliver high quality spaces that strengthen neighborhoods, support economic activity, and encourage further private investment.

21:26

This is exactly what the Brownfield Plan program was designed to achieve.

21:30

Transforming vacant environmentally challenged sites into long-term assets that support jobs, investment, and community renewal.

21:38

With your approval, we can ensure that Sheen Development continues to grow in Saginaw while residents and businesses alike benefit from their new opportunities.

21:46

On behalf of Saginaw Future, we thank you for your time and consideration.

21:51

Thank you.

21:52

Do we have anyone else who'd like to speak to this subject matter?

21:57

Do we have anyone else who'd like to speak to this subject matter?

22:01

Last and final time.

22:03

Do we have anyone else who'd like to speak to this subject matter?

22:07

I need a motion to close this hearing.

22:10

So move second.

22:11

It's been moved to second.

22:12

All those in favor signify by saying I, please.

22:15

Aye.

22:16

All those opposed, nay.

22:18

Mavericler.

22:19

Our final public hearing is regarding the request to terminate the 2205 North Michigan Avenue Dispensary Project located at 2205 North Michigan Avenue.

22:32

Hello again.

22:36

I did, I was just playing on behind the flag over here.

22:38

Okay.

22:39

Um I'm here tonight to speak on the Brownfield plan for the 2205 North Michigan Avenue.

22:46

And it was approved in November 2022.

22:48

Um the developer applied for the redevelopment of this site into a cannabis dispensary through the Brownfield plan.

22:55

Um this plan included demolition of the existing 1,680 square foot structure and the construction of a new 3,600 square foot building along with environmental due care activities.

23:07

Since that time, the developer has decided not to move forward.

23:10

No demolition, no cleanup or construction has taken place at this site.

23:13

Because the project is no longer viable, we are asking that this brownfield plan be abolished so the property that can be cleared for future opportunities that would bring real investment and revitalization to the community.

23:24

Thank you for your time and consideration.

23:26

Thank you.

23:28

Is there anyone else who'd like to speak to this subject matter?

23:34

Is there anyone else who'd like to speak to this subject matter?

23:39

Last and final time.

23:41

Is there anyone else who'd like to speak to this subject matter?

23:45

I need a motion to close the public hearing.

23:47

So move.

23:48

Second.

23:49

It's been moved to second.

23:50

All those in favor signify by saying aye.

23:52

Aye.

23:52

All those opposed, nay.

23:55

Madam Clerk.

23:56

It takes us to public input.

24:00

Speakers, speakers clearly, you will have three minutes.

24:05

We ask that you are courteous and respectful doing your speech.

24:09

No mapping, booing, or obnoxious behavior.

24:13

The clerk will call you to the podium.

24:15

You have three minutes.

24:17

Please, please get all that you need to say in within those three minutes.

24:23

Madam Clark.

24:24

Our first speaker is Mike Thompson.

24:30

Good evening.

24:31

Thank you for the opportunity to speak.

24:34

I bring a compliment and a criticism, and I believe the compliment far outweighs the criticism.

24:42

The compliment is if my city council informs me that we need to raise our property taxes and remove the tax caps.

24:54

I support it because I think you've been good stewards this past year, both with the ARPA finishing up and the general budget.

25:03

So my compliment is even I would even say go for an income tax.

25:11

My criticism is why isn't it on the ballot in November?

25:16

The answer is because the council's strategic plan calls for Representative O'Neill to pursue state legislation that would remove part of the caps.

25:31

You started talking about this last year when the Democrats still had the House.

25:36

Then you went to your strategic planning session in January after the Republicans took over.

25:43

And I said, How can you rely on the state house with the Republicans in charge, and now you see they can't even do a budget?

25:51

If you would just put it on the ballot, we would pass it.

25:54

Things have changed since it was getting turned down.

25:58

I would ask you to amend the strategic plan to please seek an election next spring and put both the tax caps and a small income tax increase on that ballot.

26:12

And that's my remarks, my compliment and my criticism.

26:16

Thank you.

26:17

Thank you.

26:21

Our next speaker is David Schmidt.

26:35

My name is David Schmidt.

26:36

I live at Seven Clear Lake Drive, Hemlock, Michigan, 48626.

26:45

I'm kind of mad and disappointed, but I want to bring notice to the injustice that's happening right here in our backyard in Saginaw at the VA hospital over here on Weiss.

27:00

Concerned citizens, VA retirees, veterans, disabled veterans, moms, and a very select few local leaders have been trying to warn others about what might happen to our beloved VA for months now.

27:20

Council, do you even see us?

27:25

Now it's happening.

27:27

Employees at RVA have lost their right to collective bargaining.

27:31

The union's gone, and due to the Hatch Act, employees are not permitted to speak out.

27:39

Layoffs, and I take that back.

27:42

Reductions in workforce.

27:45

Refusing to backfill jobs when folks retire.

27:50

Staffing shortages and low morale are taking a toll on both veterans and employees right here in Saganaw.

27:58

I don't know how many people the VA employees.

28:00

I think it's around 2,000.

28:02

These folks pay some money to live here.

28:08

Local leadership in this city has been quiet.

28:13

But the city encourages us to see something, say something.

28:18

But when we do, silence.

28:22

The folks being affected in this community are both veterans, dedicated civil servants, disabled veterans, sometimes both.

28:33

I barely have time to scratch the surface.

28:36

But this all comes down to veterans' health care right here in Sagana.

28:43

I'm asking you all to take notice before it gets worse.

28:48

In fact, it's probably too late to even take notice.

28:53

I'm asking you to stand with us as local leaders.

28:57

Listen to us.

28:59

Speak for those that can't.

29:02

Thanking a veteran for their service is only words with no action.

29:08

We cannot have scared local leaders.

29:11

I know you see something.

29:14

Just say something.

29:17

Thank you.

29:19

Thank you.

29:21

Our final speaker is Dante Davis.

29:28

Good evening, Council members.

29:31

Good evening.

29:32

City manager.

29:33

You gotta talk louder.

29:35

Good evening, everybody.

29:36

So, council members, city manager, thank you for your time.

29:40

Just wanted to come in and share a few updates from the ARPA funds that we received.

29:46

We were able to uh with our STEM Saturday program, we were able to help almost 3,000 kids uh from January to to date.

29:55

Um and that's that's that's pretty awesome, actually.

30:02

I'm I don't know the words to to or the adjective I was looking for there, but um these kids need these kind of programs, and so that's why we're continuing to do what we're doing, and we really really appreciate the council getting behind us and supporting us in those efforts because the demand is there, and I'm a pro I'm the total product of this city and and of this environment.

30:25

Uh and our kids shouldn't have to move away to California to get these jobs anymore because the jobs are here with Hemlock and Dow and next here and General Motors.

30:35

So uh we just want to make sure that we're preparing our kids uh for those future jobs that are here already.

30:41

So we just want to prepare them.

30:42

So thank you for investing and believing in our youth here in Saginaw.

30:46

Uh we also have more to share with you guys from our solar car trip.

30:50

We took our um our high school students uh from Detroit to Lansing, here to Saginaw, on to Midland, up to Traver City, to Mackinac, to Marquette, and then up to Michigan Tech, my alma mater, where they drove their student built uh electric solar car uh up to up to Michigan Tech, and it was a great five-day trip for the students.

31:15

They learned a lot, they laughed a lot, uh got on my nerves a lot.

31:22

Um, but it was a lot of fun and just just to see the growth uh from where we started in Detroit to where we ended at Michigan Tech and seeing us come together as a team was amazing.

31:33

So thank you for that too.

31:34

So we'll be sending you guys an invite uh to uh to our open house.

31:40

We're just uh moved into a new facility to do our after-school programming to build our solar car.

31:47

So we're gonna be sending you guys an invite uh to that.

31:50

So please support that if you can.

31:52

We'll have our solar car there for you to review it.

31:55

Um and our students will be there also to thank you.

31:59

Uh I think that's all I had.

32:01

I just wanted to make sure that I come in and let you guys know that what we're doing with the monies and uh and that the students are really really uh enjoying and being engaged and really thankful to the city for supporting them.

32:14

Thank you.

32:15

Thank you.

32:19

And I brought you guys t-shirts finally.

32:20

I got your sizes months ago, and I finally got your t-shirt.

32:24

So uh they'll they'll be dispersing those to you guys.

32:27

So make sure you wear them and make sure you wear them with pride.

32:30

Okay.

32:32

That takes us to remarks of council.

32:34

And tonight we will begin with councilman Braddock.

32:39

Good evening, everyone.

32:41

Um appreciate everyone that's here.

32:43

Thank you, um, Madam Mayor.

32:45

Um just like to say, well, it's been a busy week for me.

32:49

Um in the hospital, so they're kind of out the net though.

32:53

But uh, I will just say, you know, far as our elderly population, though, you know, we you know, pay attention to the elderly population in our community.

33:01

You know, um, some uh some of our elders doesn't have their children home or any love when some of them are living alone by themselves.

33:09

So if you know any elderly um person, you know, just make sure you check on them.

33:14

Um check on them, see if they're doing okay, especially when it's coming up to this winter time.

33:20

Um, yes, my uh Mr.

33:23

Thompson, I think the tax cap is an issue.

33:25

I think that's something that we need to address to see if we can get start moving the ball on that.

33:31

Um and then also I am a uh military, retired military army veteran, war veteran, combat veteran.

33:38

I've been to war twice.

33:40

Um I am a disabled veteran.

33:42

I'll also be at the um, I also use the VA because I am a veteran here as well.

33:47

And so, and I'm also worked at the VA in Waco, Texas.

33:50

So I have some experience on if the guy is still in here, so I would like to talk more.

33:55

Um, you know, meet with him and give more details of what's going on to see what we can help.

34:00

Um, I know the VA is a um you know, uh federal entity, so um, I don't know how much control and how much power we have at this table to control what's going on inside that building based off my experiences being in the VA, but um anything we can do to help to advocate for our for our veterans, I think that is necessary in our community.

34:25

Um also too, I like to just concrete congratulate Saginaw's STEM.

34:29

Um I have volunteered over the years, helped set up and clean up sometimes and help with the kids sometimes.

34:36

And um, it's a very awesome program.

34:38

It's for our communities for the kids of Saginaw.

34:41

It's for the city of Saginaw, it's for our kids, our Saginaw, and send them.

34:46

If y'all here at Saginaw STEM, send y'all kids to that program.

34:49

It's awesome.

34:50

They have awesome um staff that works with the children.

34:53

And I take my grandson there and I drop them off.

34:56

They told me to leave.

34:59

Come back.

35:00

So you know, you get some time, get some time to get some time to go shopping alone and hit the grocery store, you know.

35:06

And so, but um, other than that, I just like I appreciate everybody on this table as well.

35:11

And on the city staff, and uh that's all I have, man.

35:14

Thank you.

35:15

Thank you.

35:16

Next we have Council Woman Wiggins.

35:19

Good evening, everyone.

35:20

I'm going to keep my comments uh a little short.

35:22

I had a happy little visit with the dentist today.

35:26

So um thank you for coming.

35:28

Thank you to all of our speakers.

35:30

Um we're we're here to listen to you, so I appreciate all of your comments.

35:36

Um and regarding like uh the the tax cap.

35:41

Um interesting ideas uh as always from Mr.

35:44

Thompson.

35:45

Um gives us a lot to think about, so I appreciate your comments.

35:48

Thank you.

35:52

Next we have Council.

35:59

All right.

35:59

Um thank you.

36:00

I just wanted to appreciate everybody for coming out to your city council meeting today.

36:04

Um I uh I agree that the issues with the Veterans Administration are really concerning, and it is a federal issue, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't also speak out about it.

36:14

So I appreciate um the citizens coming to have their voices heard and attending your meeting.

36:20

Um other than that, just echo the comments of my fellow council people.

36:24

Thank you.

36:26

Thank you.

36:27

Next we have Council Woman Seals.

36:29

Thank you, Madam Mayor.

36:31

Um just wanna give a shout out to my classmate Dante Davis, class of 93, Saginaw Hi.

36:38

Saginaw STEM is awesome.

36:40

Um thank you for coming back home.

36:42

So he and I had that conversation.

36:44

We both came back home to serve our community.

36:47

We both left Michigan, but decided to come back home to serve our community.

36:51

You know, I think we came back home around the same time, so just happy that we both made that decision to come back to give back.

36:58

So um school has started, God help us.

37:04

Um the kids are catching colds and spreading germs everywhere.

37:10

But uh I got my flu shot.

37:15

Um, but yeah, uh I just been noticing a lot of cars driving fast around buses.

37:21

I just want us all to be mindful of the buses are picking up our children around the city of Saginaw.

37:27

Guys, can we please um when those signs go out, please yield and stop, allow children to get on the buses um safely and soundly from their homes at these bus stops.

37:40

Um be mindful of those laws.

37:43

I'm around the city of Saginaw.

37:45

Um there's a couple of bus stops around my house, and I'm telling you, sometimes I almost have heart attacks just watching children uh in cars just zoom around the buses, and I'm like, oh my goodness.

37:56

So just be mindful of that.

37:58

Um slow down.

38:00

Also, uh the friends of Rucky, that's one of my places.

38:04

I love Friends of Rucky, Miss Annie over there.

38:07

Um they're having another open house on September 13th from 3 to 6.

38:11

Um, I don't know if you know about Theodore Rucky.

38:14

He's uh he was uh citizen of Saginaw back in the early 1900s, and um we're still talking Saginaw here, people, these people from our early beginnings, our humble beginnings, and um just right down on Grasshaw Street, the house still stands, and um they have preserved that home and um they have house tours, uh library crafts, they're gonna have cider donuts, bring out your kids and let them learn about the history of Saginaw.

38:45

Um even our old library, uh, I mean our old post office that's uh downtown Saginaw, bring her kids out to see Saginaw.

38:54

Saginaw has a lot of history and a lot of things for our children to see.

38:58

I I ask kids, what do you know about Saginaw?

39:01

Kids don't even know about our city, they don't know about our state.

39:05

And so we have to constantly teach children about what Saginaw, what is it about our Saginaw?

39:10

Why are we so special?

39:12

You know, our our river runs uphill.

39:15

We it runs north just like the Nile.

39:17

That's one thing that's so special about Saginaw.

39:20

Sorry, I don't mean to be a teacher right now, but I mean there's so much, there's so many special things about Saginaw, so let's keep making Saginaw special and keep giving.

39:28

Thank you, Madam Mayor.

39:31

Thank you.

39:32

Right on time.

39:34

Next we have Councilman Ball.

39:36

Thank you, Madam Mayor.

39:37

I don't have a lot to comment on today, but I would like to thank the speakers for coming out speaking.

39:41

Um Mr.

39:42

Thomas, we heard what you said, and I agree with you 100%.

39:46

Um Mr.

39:47

Davis, I want to thank you for coming back home, bringing engineering skills back to Saginaw.

39:52

Uh, you have really inspired my great-granddaughters uh in the STEM program.

39:57

They uh normally take what they do and send it to their dad.

40:00

He's a firefighter, and he's just excited about the kids doing what they're doing.

40:06

A couple of times I told my granddaughter to do this and do that.

40:10

She said, Papa, I'm a STEM kid, I can figure it out.

40:14

I mean, I wouldn't expect that.

40:17

You know what I'm saying?

40:18

11-year-old telling me things like that.

40:20

But she now she's not afraid to do anything technical.

40:23

Uh she died right in, and to normally figure it out without a lot of help.

40:26

So I want to thank you for that, John T.

40:29

Um.

40:29

I really don't have a lot to share this evening.

40:31

I just come back from the uh at uh Saginaw Valley, they had the uh uh community awards program where they're passing out money, and I just happened to be on the uh board of the uh Saginaw Help group, and we're gonna receive an award for 40,000 to put money back within our youth and as mentors, and then they're gonna some of those kids gonna go up and be mentors too.

40:57

We got some of the kids in our group that are really taking hold and they really uh helping out the other kids.

41:01

So uh we're excited about what's happening here in the city of Saginaw as far as mentoring is concerned, and driving down Washington Street and running into a detour.

41:13

Uh it it don't you make me think I'm in a big city.

41:17

You know, I can imagine uh we're gonna have some cranes and stuff like that, building buildings, and uh I know we're gonna feel like a big city then.

41:24

So I'm just looking forward to what's happening here in the city of Saginaw and um everything else that goes on.

41:29

I had the opportunity to work with the uh neighborhood cleanup this weekend.

41:34

Um complaining to the city manager last meeting about cleaning up a certain street, and I was teasing him that uh he probably gave me a garbage bag and had me clean it up, and lo and behold, that's where you went.

41:46

Me and my neighbors cleaned up that area this weekend.

41:49

So uh it didn't cost me too much, uh, Tim to uh have the kids in the neighborhood to help out.

41:55

Uh thank God for the hats that they gave out.

41:58

It only cost me uh five dollars per hour for three kids, so in two hours that wasn't bad.

42:03

So uh maybe I'll put that on my expense support.

42:06

But uh we want to thank the city for what they're doing to make our city look better.

42:10

So thanks a lot.

42:11

Let me share that with them.

42:12

Thank you.

42:13

Next, we have Councilman Nashdash.

42:15

Thanks, Mayor.

42:16

Uh, welcome everybody to the chamber tonight or at Anderson Center.

42:20

And people that are watching from home.

42:22

And just my consolences to Mayor Ham's family.

42:25

I used to live across the street from Mayor Ham.

42:27

Um, she was a wonderful lady and always very welcoming to me.

42:31

So condolences to the family.

42:32

I'm sorry for your loss.

42:34

Uh, just a few announcements too.

42:36

One of the things that people talk about recycling, I've been wanting to talk about this.

42:40

So when it comes to recycling, if you're doing it, people kind of wonder where can you take styrofoam?

42:44

Actually, the children's zoo.

42:46

Plastic bags, Meyer Corporation, and sometimes your local stores will collect them.

42:50

So I just wanted to uh to let people know about that if you're wondering what to do with that stuff.

42:55

And then also a team up to clean up, it was a lot of fun.

42:58

Uh was out with my mayor pro tem.

43:00

We were down in the park along the river.

43:02

We cleaned that up again too, and also my spouse helped out.

43:05

So that was uh and thanks to the staff.

43:07

You did a great job with all the food and the donuts and the hot dogs.

43:10

So thanks for always coming out on your you know, your day off to uh to participate in that with us.

43:16

And also, Dante, thank you for coming out and providing shirts for us.

43:21

Here I will wear that shirt with pride.

43:23

Uh, I've had the opportunity to attend one of his events, and I'm looking forward to uh coming again.

43:28

It was really kind of fun to watch the kids do their experiments and how they were learning, and I even got to participate a little bit with them too, and it's just it was a good time.

43:36

So I'm looking forward to the invitation to your open house.

43:39

And um, I still offer if you want me to come and talk about computers and coding uh because that's another one of my niches there too.

43:46

I'd love to talk to kids if you ever have an opportunity for me to do that.

43:49

And I look forward to seeing some of the uh the solar car stuff that they're doing.

43:52

So that that that has a big interest of mine.

43:55

Um I too agree with the gentleman that was here.

43:59

I know they left with the Veterans Memorial Hospital.

44:02

I have been hearing things in the news.

44:03

I'm not fully aware of everything, but I think it is sad when our veterans come home the way that they're being treated.

44:09

So I hope that um the voices can be heard, and I hope that the administration does start to make some changes at the federal level for that.

44:18

And see if I got anything else here, Mayor.

44:25

I think I'm done.

44:28

Thank you.

44:28

Next we have Mayor Pro Tim Garcia.

44:31

Good evening, concerned citizens of the community.

44:34

Thank you for attending your meeting.

44:35

This beautiful Monday.

44:37

Uh just wanted to follow up um with Mike Thompson.

44:42

Great input.

44:42

Thanks for sharing that information.

44:44

Hear your concerns, and um also to Mr.

44:47

Davis.

44:48

Thank you for my t-shirt, and it has the CSGO represented.

44:52

Um, just thank you for coming and giving back um your input and what's going on with the kids in there.

45:00

When we made these decisions for our part of money and stuff, you know, we wanted to make sure we made the right decisions and then it was going back to our youth.

45:06

And so I appreciate that because that was one of my buckets of money that we were, you know, trying to make sure.

45:11

And it was a hard decision because there was a lot of great organizations and stuff.

45:14

So I remember back like 20 years ago when STEM was first coming around and stuff.

45:19

So it's interesting to see how much it evolved and how the kids are getting in.

45:23

And pretty soon my little grandson, he'll be in school, so I'm sure I'll be hearing about all this fun stuff and how to be involved in it.

45:29

But yeah, I would like to come and see um your open house, and I've never been to one, but I just hear all the great things about it, so I'm excited for that.

45:37

Um also to the VA veteran.

45:39

Um, I hear you.

45:40

I work with disabled um seniors, the population, and um we do need to speak up for them a lot of times.

45:47

They go unheard and fall on deaf ears, and we really have to be the advocate for them and for ourselves at times.

45:53

So it's very important.

45:54

Um, there's so many changes at the federal level.

45:57

Um, I work like a lot with Medicare.

46:00

So right now it's kind of in limbo, and we don't even know what's gonna happen.

46:04

Um, so I hear you.

46:05

I think um things are gonna happen, they're gonna happen fastly with the Medicare, but like I said, we need to be the advocates for these um disabled veterans and seniors and that.

46:16

Also, um, was a busy past weekend with me.

46:18

I went to um White's bar.

46:21

They um are a big pillar in our community for over 80 years.

46:25

They had um a stage bill outdoors, and I went to go support them.

46:28

They have local bands, people that play locally here, they've maybe gone and come.

46:32

I talked to one guy, he was from here, he left to Florida, but he wants some best back in our community, and that's awesome to hear that.

46:39

Never met the guy, but he's excited to try to build something here.

46:43

I don't remember what it was he was telling me, but um, I'm just excited to hear all these new developments that are coming so fast, and it's uh we were down there cleaning me and uh my colleague Bill, and we could see all this stuff already going down on Water Street, and it was just like wow, they're really gonna start taking action.

46:59

I mean, they were clearing the ground over there.

47:02

I mean, I was everything's gonna happen so fast, and it's gonna be amazing that we um you know get to see these improvisation and excited because like the Shook Hotel, that's gonna be awesome.

47:12

I remember going in there and stuff, and just to see it come back to life, it's gonna be amazing.

47:17

So I'm glad that I'm able to help um vote and make these decisions for a better community for our citizens and for my future grandchildren to be part of this community.

47:26

And so thank you guys for all coming out tonight, and I appreciate you.

47:28

Thanks.

47:30

Okay, my turn.

47:33

First of all, let me say this.

47:35

It was cold Saturday.

47:37

I thank everybody who came out and they called with us.

47:41

But I also want you to know that the city is still clean.

47:48

We've been clean since really, if you want to know the truth.

47:52

We've really been clean since we did the memorial cup.

47:56

I guess we say we're gonna clean up our house.

47:58

We got company coming.

48:00

Must have had an impact on the community because the community is looking better every day.

48:08

But I really want to thank everybody, my co, my co-council persons who attended.

48:14

Thank you.

48:15

You didn't have to do it, but you did it.

48:19

Staff, thank you.

48:21

This started whether we say Vicky four years ago.

48:25

I was riding through the city.

48:27

You say this city dirty.

48:29

And look, we went from four years, well, we went from one year to four years from one time to two times a year.

48:38

The city is looking better every day.

48:40

Gassy, you and your team, Alan, Vicky and Rachel.

48:45

I don't have enough to say because they get on me.

48:48

We gotta get the money, we gotta get it.

48:50

We gotta do the cleanup, we gotta do the cleanup.

48:53

So I need you to understand.

48:55

It started off just uh probably a one-time thing, but it is evolved into something that we do on a regular.

49:04

I've got a couple here who never misses.

49:07

They get in the in the and the grind in the mood, and they write there with me.

49:12

They didn't pick the trash up, so thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

49:18

Um I heard the speakers.

49:21

That one gentleman.

49:22

I wish I hate that he left because I've been on the VA stuff since the president stepped in office.

49:33

There were 18 people who got laid up in SAGN with the help of Christian McDonald River and our senator shocking.

49:42

We stopped those layoffs.

49:44

So as we are doing some things, but there's not a lot we can do, other than call.

49:52

Other than call.

49:54

We can call and we can do what we can do.

49:56

I understand some stuff we just can't do.

50:00

It's out of our jurisdiction.

50:01

Mr.

50:02

Mike, thank you so much.

50:04

We know we need to get to tax cap lifting and we need to pay more taxes.

50:08

We got to figure out where the money is gonna come from because the people who own most of the homes in our city are elderly.

50:15

So we can't be too taxable on them.

50:19

15 minutes, 14 minutes.

50:25

I've been busy.

50:27

We're gonna sit down, we're gonna talk.

50:29

We go see what we can do to expand it.

50:32

Thank you so much.

50:33

I beat the clock.

50:36

Madam Clark.

50:38

That takes us to reports from the manager.

50:42

Mr.

50:42

Manager.

50:43

Thank you, Madam Mayor.

50:45

First, I I want to draw everyone's attention to the city's website.

50:50

We are updating our parks and recreation plan and we want to get a resident input.

50:55

The parks and rec plan survey is now available on the website.

51:00

Information we receive from our residents will be integrated with other survey data to create goals and action plans to guide the city's design and maintenance of our parks in the years to come.

51:10

The survey will be available on the city's website through October 3rd, 2025.

51:17

Public engagement is the key to a successful and beneficial parks and rec plan.

51:21

We invite residents to provide feedback on their experiences and opinions of the parks and recreational facilities in the city and comment on any improvements and new initiatives they would like to see in the future.

51:32

And to ensure every resident has an opportunity to participate and make their voices heard.

51:36

A community input session will also be held here at the Anderson Enrichment Center Thursday, October 9th from 5 30 to 6 30.

51:45

Public session is an additional opportunity to engage the community and gain their perspective on what they'd like to see in our plan that covers the next five years.

51:53

We also have paper copies of the survey in the manager's office.

51:58

If anyone is interested and doesn't have access to the internet.

52:19

Job descriptions are available and you can apply online.

52:23

And I also want to thank all of the volunteers for Team Up to Cleanup as well as the city staff who helped plan and came out on Saturday for the cleanup.

52:41

So that's a lot of work, so we appreciate that.

52:45

And just to get this out there too, if any neighborhood groups do want to have a cleanup day in their neighborhood, we can help them with planning and we do extra pickups as long as they let us know when they're gonna be doing it and some drop-off locations.

53:01

We can work with neighborhoods to do that as well.

53:04

The Saginaw uh police front porch roll call is going to be Thursday, September 18th at 6 p.m.

53:11

at the Saginaw Housing Commission this time, 1101 Dillon Street, and any other neighborhood or individuals who are interested in hosting a front porch roll call, please contact Gabriela Finkbeiner at the police department.

53:26

989759-1260.

53:29

And um the and finally the county uh administrator and I are going to be meeting this week.

53:37

Uh we're gonna be talking about uh animal control, which is something I talked uh to the county about some time ago on proving services in the city and possibly uh partnering on some of those activities.

53:49

I've also talked to them about partnering on parks and rec, the possibility of that.

53:54

So I'll talk to uh the administrator about that.

53:57

If any council members have additional ideas you want me to share with her, just email me or text me or call and uh meeting with her on uh I think Wednesday.

54:08

And Madam Mayor, those are all the items I have this evening.

54:13

You done do we have any questions?

54:17

Yes, Councilman Mahambia.

54:19

Um, yes, Mr.

54:20

Manager, could you explain the difference between the resolutions before us here today and the ones that were originally uploaded?

54:28

Of the attorney, she's she drafted them.

54:34

Correct.

54:35

The two resolutions that were revised, resolution two and resolution three, the only revision was under number one under the now therefore resolved.

54:47

The ending of the sentence now includes that such approval is contingent upon the Saginaw Downtown Development Authority's approval of an interlocal agreement with the Saginaw Brownfield Redevelopment Authority pertaining to the use of local tax increment revenues.

55:05

Thank you.

55:06

And um maybe this is for the discussion during the resolutions, but um I thought that those interlocal government agreements were approved at the August 27th meeting in the copy of the minutes that I have from the DDA.

55:18

They've been approved by the Brownfield Authority and they are going back for approval to with the DDA.

55:24

So they weren't approved on August 27th?

55:26

Correct.

55:29

Are the minutes incorrect for the DDA record of August 27th?

55:34

There was an issue with the meeting, and so those decisions are going to be remade.

55:38

What was the issue with the meeting?

55:42

It was a rescheduled meeting.

56:10

If it's a general discussion pertaining to the website and the meetings and agendas in general, um I think that it would be appropriate to ask now if it's specifically pertaining to the resolutions at issue, then it would be appropriate to bring up under the resolutions.

56:26

Okay.

56:27

Um I would ask uh that uh I noticed that during the BRA meeting minutes for July 29th, there was a public hearing that was hosted for the 303 Adams Brownfield redevelopment uh change for the interlocal agreement.

56:42

Um I didn't see any record of a public hearing that took place for the 400 Federal Avenue interlocal agreement, which it was like the same nature of the decision.

56:52

So was that is that required to hold that public hearing?

56:55

No.

56:55

Why what's the difference?

56:57

It's it's not a technical requirement under the Urban Cooperation Act to hold a public hearing at the BRA.

57:03

We did it out of an abundance of transparency.

57:07

Okay.

57:08

Just for the 303 Adams and not for 400 at federal.

57:10

It will be a public hearing will be held at the DDA level.

57:13

So there will be a public hearing on it.

57:16

That was going to be my next question.

57:17

If there was a public hearing required for both of those uh properties in their Brownfield dinner local agreements, because I noticed that the BRA had one public hearing, but the DDA didn't have any public hearings, so that is forthcoming.

57:28

Correct.

57:29

Thank you.

57:30

Um whose responsibility is it to maintain DDA meeting minutes on a city's website?

57:38

Because the C the DDA is administered by Saginaw Future, but who's technically responsible for making sure that those agendas and her minutes are available online?

57:46

They take the minutes for the meetings.

57:48

So I think one issue that we're looking at as we work through this is they were being, I believe a lot of them are I don't know if most of them or all of them, the clerk was looking at this, but they were posted on Riverfront Saginaw website rather than the City of Saginaw website.

58:05

So River Riverfront Saginaw website and the the DDA was kind of taking over that domain, uh, but then um we want them to post them on the city's website, so we're uh working through that with them right now.

58:20

Okay.

58:21

Um I also noticed that in I know I'm going way beyond two questions here, so feel free to feel free to cut me off, but I've I'm trying to keep it quick for everyone's sake.

58:29

So feel free to some of these things you're doing if we can you and the city manager need to meet.

58:38

And the stay, if possible, to explain.

58:42

Because it is in the rules.

58:45

Two.

58:45

Uh-huh.

58:46

I'm gonna shut.

58:49

I appreciate it.

58:50

Um with that with the administration of of the DDA through Saginaw future.

58:55

I noticed that the meeting minutes aren't really taken in accordance with how municipalities usually do meeting minutes.

59:00

There's not counts of vote totals, the agendas don't actually have copies of the decisions being made.

59:06

It's just kind of discussion points and action items.

59:08

It's not really put into the format of a city meeting or an inter in or governmental meeting.

59:13

Is that something that needs to be corrected, or is that something that because of the nature of the agreement with DDA that they're perfectly under their purview to continue to do?

59:21

Well, I think as long as it complies with the OMA, what's required from the OMA, which is it's I think fairly limited on the minutes, but we want to have um uh OMA session with all of our um committees.

59:39

So to give everyone a good view, it's not it it every committee does things a little bit differently, and they're not they don't all have city staff at the meeting, some of them do, some of them don't.

59:52

So that really needs to be standardized.

1:00:00

So I'm I've asked the clerk and the city attorney to set up a training session for all of the committees so that they can all make sure that they're adhering to the same criteria for posting and minutes and etc.

1:00:10

And maybe that um a good idea is to create kind of a do this XYZ so that we make sure that everything gets posted the right way.

1:00:22

Um we're working uh to put together a new website now, so hopefully that will be easier to do in the future.

1:00:28

Um will help uh help those those groups uh work better.

1:00:34

I appreciate that.

1:00:37

Okay, thank you.

1:00:38

Anyone else?

1:00:42

Anyone else with any questions?

1:00:46

Thank you, Mr.

1:00:47

Manager.

1:00:48

Madam Clerk.

1:00:49

On to the consent agenda.

1:00:51

The agenda has been available at City Hall and on the city web page.

1:00:56

I need a motion to approve this agenda and leave the room for exceptions.

1:01:00

Oh second.

1:01:01

Do I have any exceptions?

1:01:03

Number four.

1:01:04

I'm sorry.

1:01:05

Number four.

1:01:07

Four.

1:01:07

Yes.

1:01:08

Are there any other exceptions?

1:01:13

Okay, let's vote on the other one.

1:01:15

All those in favor signify by saying aye.

1:01:17

Aye.

1:01:18

All those opposed, nay.

1:01:20

Madam Clerk.

1:01:22

Item number four is to approve the purchase with CDWG for $27,500 for a deep discovery inspector network threat detector for the technical services department.

1:01:34

That was Councilmember Wiggins.

1:01:36

Hi.

1:01:37

Maybe Mayor Mayor will tell council members.

1:01:40

Do you have a question regarding number four?

1:01:42

Tell me about this.

1:01:43

So a DDI inspector.

1:01:46

Um we actually had two ransomware attacks that made it through our network in the last six months.

1:01:51

So the first one was very serious.

1:01:54

Um luckily it happened off-site and out of our network.

1:01:57

But just to make sure we brought this as a ratification, we had in a forensic uh analysis done of our system to make sure nothing made it into our network.

1:02:06

Um so part of that forensic analysis was that they gave us a DDI inspector to monitor control laterally inside of our network, as well as traffic that's coming in and coming out.

1:02:17

So we had that.

1:02:18

We liked it so much.

1:02:20

And the company actually never asked for it back, so it was still sitting in our server room.

1:02:25

Um the software kind of ran out, was only for a limited time.

1:02:28

So when the second um malware incident happened, um we able to contact them and we said, Well, we still have our DDI inspector right here.

1:02:37

Could we use that?

1:02:38

And so they allowed us to use the software they reinstalled it for us.

1:02:44

And we've been moderating for the second one.

1:02:46

And at the end of the conversation, we were like, well, we would really like to have one of these.

1:02:50

This is a great tool to have.

1:02:52

You know, we have so many different layers that we're trying to stop.

1:02:54

These hacks are just coming in.

1:02:56

Just it's it's unbelievable where we're at right now.

1:02:58

And it's really nice.

1:02:59

A lot of our our systems have gone to the cloud, but we still have you know internal data that we're trying to protect.

1:03:05

And and they're like, oh, we didn't, we forgot to get that back.

1:03:08

And this is normally a $90,000 instrument to have.

1:03:12

And they said, well, since you have it there, we'll go ahead and give you an this discounted price for $27,000.

1:03:17

So this really lets us uh do a deep dive into all traffic that's moving within our system, and then what's coming in and coming out.

1:03:25

Okay.

1:03:25

Does it this is affects uh citywide as far as our in infrastructure, anything that's attached to the city as far as communication, all of that?

1:03:34

Yeah, absolutely.

1:03:35

That's a lateral movement.

1:03:36

It moves through our entire network system, it watches everything, how it's moving.

1:03:40

If there anything is is doesn't look right to the system, it'll notify us, you know, you know, give us uh notification that hey, you need to look at this.

1:03:48

And but it's not only lateral movement, it's what's coming into our network and what's coming out to our network.

1:03:53

So it adds this incredible layer uh that we really need to to keep our system safe.

1:03:58

Is it a learning system?

1:04:00

Yes, it does.

1:04:00

Yes, absolutely.

1:04:01

Thank you.

1:04:02

Yeah, any other questions?

1:04:04

I'm good.

1:04:09

I'm sorry, any other questions?

1:04:11

Yeah, any motion.

1:04:12

I need to make the motion motion to approve.

1:04:15

Okay.

1:04:15

Support.

1:04:16

It's being moved in support.

1:04:18

Any more questions?

1:04:21

Here, not all those in favor signify by saying I.

1:04:27

Madam Clerk.

1:04:28

Our next item is board commission and committee reports.

1:04:31

Do we have anyone who has been to any city meetings that would like to report out?

1:04:40

Madam Clerk.

1:04:42

On to ordinance introduction.

1:04:44

We have one, it's to add low-income housing tax exemption for Harrison Manor Limited Divid Dividend Housing Association LP to the table of special ordinances eight.

1:04:55

I need a motion to introduce.

1:04:57

So moved.

1:04:58

Second.

1:05:00

It's been moved and second.

1:05:02

Yes.

1:05:03

The only comment that I would like to make is that I'm absolutely 100% in support of this.

1:05:09

I'm so excited to see low-income housing tax exemption projects coming before us and that we have the ability to come up with pilots to incentivize these developments.

1:05:20

This meets a need that we need that we have, and you know, props to Ms.

1:05:23

Zimmerman and her department for working hard to put this together with the developer and connecting all the dots on this.

1:05:29

This is exactly the kind of development and exactly the kind of uh coordination that I think we need to both meet the needs of our community for senior housing to look forward and to use the tools in our toolbox to the advantage of our citizenry.

1:05:41

So great job.

1:05:44

Anyone else?

1:05:46

All those in favor signify by saying aye.

1:05:49

Aye.

1:05:49

All those opposed.

1:05:51

This will be laid over under charter provision.

1:05:55

Madam Clerk.

1:05:56

On to ordinance adoption.

1:05:58

We have one.

1:05:59

It's to amend the official city map to vacate that part of Thompson Street as platted between East Genesee Avenue and South Fourth Street.

1:06:08

I need a motion to adopt.

1:06:09

So moved.

1:06:10

Second.

1:06:11

Any discussion.

1:06:14

All those in favor signify by saying aye.

1:06:17

Aye.

1:06:17

All those opposed, nay.

1:06:19

Madam Clerk.

1:06:20

On to resolutions.

1:06:21

Our first is approving the obsolete property rehabilitation certificate for property at 301 North Hamilton Street.

1:06:28

I need a motion to adopt.

1:06:31

Support.

1:06:32

Any discussion?

1:06:35

All those in favor signify by saying aye.

1:06:37

Aye.

1:06:38

All those opposed, nay.

1:06:40

Madam Clerk.

1:06:41

Our second resolution is amending the Brownfield plan for the 400 Federal Redevelopment Project located at 400 Federal Federal Avenue.

1:06:49

I need a motion to adopt.

1:06:52

Second.

1:06:53

Any discussion.

1:06:54

Yes.

1:06:55

I have a question for the city attorney during the uh BRA meeting on July 29th.

1:07:02

It was noted in the meeting minutes that you asked the BRA to adopt a more specific plan that so that staff has greater time to review the plans and documents before they come before the BRA.

1:07:14

Can you explain the nature of your concern?

1:07:19

We were getting documents within a couple days of the meetings to turn back around for agenda approval and we needed more time just to review and make sure that they were in order.

1:07:31

Okay.

1:07:31

So do you feel like you had enough time to review this particular project?

1:07:36

Yes, it wouldn't be on the agenda if I hadn't.

1:07:38

Okay.

1:07:39

Before the agenda for council, you mean?

1:07:41

Before the agenda for the BRA.

1:07:43

Okay.

1:07:44

So what was you commented out at the end of the BRA meeting on July 29th?

1:07:49

Correct.

1:07:50

We had time to review those, but we have limited time to review them.

1:07:54

Okay.

1:07:55

I appreciate it.

1:07:56

Um so specifically for the BRA and the DDA going back and forth.

1:08:03

Um the issue of meeting minutes and meeting notices that I mentioned two weeks ago.

1:08:07

This is this is um this is a problem where community uh citizens have approached me multiple times saying that they don't really feel involved in our development process.

1:08:18

We also have a public participation plan that says that we are going to upload our meeting minutes and agendas.

1:08:25

We're going to upload the agendas before the meetings happen, and then we're going to upload the meeting minutes online so that our citizens feel involved in the development process.

1:08:33

That has not happened.

1:08:35

So, case in point, um, because I specifically requested DDA and BRA meeting minutes that I knew existed because they were referenced in our meeting minutes as they came up, and in the BRA minutes it was referenced, there were DDA minutes that were happening that again the website didn't have the agendas posted, so I was able to specifically request them because I knew that they'd happened.

1:08:56

Um there are projects happening on Water Street, which is right across from where I live that I didn't know were happening.

1:09:04

Um I hadn't had a chance to read the agendas, and those projects were discussed in DDA meetings that I didn't feel the need to go to because I had no idea what was on the agenda.

1:09:13

So I would have liked to participate in those discussions when they happened at the DDA.

1:09:16

I would have liked to be able to review those site plans, but as a member of the public, where I try to keep myself pretty informed, I wasn't aware that that was happening.

1:09:25

So I think it gives the appearance that the city is making some of these decisions behind closed doors.

1:09:29

I think that it, you know, we're not living up to our own citizen participation plan, or rather our public participation plan.

1:09:35

Um and I um I support making sure that we have our ducks in a row for our residents as we're doing the development process so that the first time that something is happening isn't when it goes up in their backyard, it's when they know that it's coming because they see it on their website, they hear their council people talking about it.

1:09:56

We know as elected officials that things are being done the right way in front of the public so that everybody has a chance to be heard.

1:10:02

Um so with that, I'm gonna motion to postpone the motion on the floor.

1:10:09

Do we get a second?

1:10:12

There's a motion on the floor.

1:10:13

Do I get a second?

1:10:17

There's a motion on the floor.

1:10:18

Do I get a second?

1:10:21

The motion is dead.

1:10:24

Back to the original.

1:10:29

Am I right?

1:10:30

Yes.

1:10:30

Okay, I've done it.

1:10:32

Okay.

1:10:34

Any other discussion?

1:10:36

I'm gonna call for the vote.

1:10:38

All those in favor signify by saying aye.

1:10:41

All those opposed, nay.

1:10:42

Roll call vote, please.

1:10:44

Councilmember Seals.

1:10:46

Yes.

1:10:49

Sorry about that.

1:10:50

Councilmember Balls.

1:10:52

Yes.

1:10:52

Mayor Protem Garcia?

1:10:54

Yes.

1:10:54

Councilmember Ostash?

1:10:56

Yes.

1:10:57

Councilmember Braddock?

1:10:58

Yes.

1:10:59

Councilmember Wiggins?

1:11:00

Yes.

1:11:01

Councilmember Hammond?

1:11:02

Nay.

1:11:02

And Mayor Moore.

1:11:04

Yes.

1:11:05

You have seven yes and one no.

1:11:06

That motion is approved.

1:11:09

Madam Clark.

1:11:11

The third resolution is amending the Brownfield plan for the Adams Street Redevelopment Project located at 303, 309, and 315 Adams Street, 212, 218, and 224 South Hamilton Street, 200 and 304 South Niagara Street and 202 Mackkin Street.

1:11:30

I need a motion to adopt.

1:11:33

Second.

1:11:33

It's been moved to second.

1:11:35

Any discussion.

1:11:38

Let me let him go first, then I'm gonna get you.

1:11:41

Councilman Astash.

1:11:42

Just a quick question.

1:11:44

Just a quick question on this, because then it was mentioned that there's going to be some demolition with this project.

1:11:48

I'm familiar with it because it's come to the planning commission.

1:11:51

Um the 303 Adams Building, is that part of the demolition?

1:11:55

I know the little barber shop was demolished.

1:11:57

Yes.

1:11:59

So 303 is part of that again?

1:12:01

That's all.

1:12:03

Councilman Mah.

1:12:05

Yeah.

1:12:05

Um, is it standard practice when we are approving for Brownfield changes that council isn't provided with any of the site plans that are reviewed by the BRA or any of the other commissions or committees?

1:12:18

Site plans will go to the planning commission, I believe.

1:12:21

But when the um does the BRA see plans for like particular buildings or developments when they are passing this at their level that don't come to us when we're passing the Brownfield amendments.

1:12:37

I don't believe so.

1:12:38

So that we don't have there's basically there's no additional information that the BRA had prior to making this determination that you know we we don't have access to.

1:12:47

There's like not any documents that they have that we don't they receive a copy of the plan, they receive a copy of the reimbursement agreement.

1:12:57

That's typically part of the package.

1:13:00

Okay.

1:13:00

Sorry, what do you mean by plan?

1:13:03

The the Brownfield plan for the development.

1:13:08

Okay.

1:13:08

And what all details did the Brownfield plan usually include?

1:13:14

Yeah, I mean the the Brownfield plans are pretty standard, but they're and fairly comprehensive.

1:13:19

Um they they detail the development, any demolition that's a part of the site.

1:13:27

The real um the most important part of the brownfield plan is the tax increment finance um reimbursement agreement.

1:13:36

So details what the property values are today, what they would be post-development, um, all of the eligible activities identified in the plan, including demolition, site remediation, infrastructure redevelopment, um then it defines a schedule to capture the tax increment finance revenue to reimburse the developer for eligible activities aren't under part 201 of the brownfield statute.

1:14:09

Thank you.

1:14:11

Any other questions?

1:14:12

Just a comment.

1:14:14

Um just to kind of answer some of the site plans.

1:14:20

That that's all planning commission.

1:14:23

So planning commission goes to them, they bring to the council.

1:14:26

But if you want to see those site plans, you could always get those from our city staff because those are available on the meeting.

1:14:34

Okay.

1:14:36

Any other questions?

1:14:38

Comment.

1:14:41

All those in favor, sign the papa saying aye.

1:14:44

Aye.

1:14:44

All those opposed?

1:14:45

Nay.

1:14:46

Well call vote, please.

1:14:48

Councilmember Seals.

1:14:49

Yes.

1:14:50

Councilmember Balls.

1:14:52

Yes.

1:14:52

Mayor Pro Tem Garcia?

1:14:54

Yes.

1:14:54

Councilmember Ostash.

1:14:56

Yes.

1:14:56

Councilmember Braddock.

1:14:58

Yes.

1:14:58

Councilmember Wiggins?

1:14:59

Yes.

1:15:00

Councilmember Hammond.

1:15:01

Nay.

1:15:02

And Mayor Moore.

1:15:03

Yes.

1:15:03

You have seven yes and one no.

1:15:05

That motion is approved.

1:15:08

The fourth resolution is terminating Brownfield Plan 19 for the 2205 North Niagara Avenue Dispensary Project Project located at 2205 North Niagara Avenue.

1:15:20

I need a motion to adopt.

1:15:22

So moved.

1:15:22

Second.

1:15:23

It's been moved to second.

1:15:24

Any discussion.

1:15:27

Hearing none.

1:15:28

All those in favor signify by saying aye.

1:15:30

Aye.

1:15:31

All those opposed.

1:15:32

Madam Clerk.

1:15:33

Our final resolution is authorizing the sponsor of the specified community event to use amplifying equipment.

1:15:40

I need a motion to adopt.

1:15:42

So move.

1:15:43

Second.

1:15:44

Any discussion?

1:15:46

All those in favor signify by saying aye.

1:15:49

Aye.

1:15:49

All those opposed.

1:15:52

Missing lane is.

1:15:54

I'm sorry.

1:15:54

You're good.

1:15:55

Miscellaneous.

1:15:56

Do we have anybody that'd like to make a motion?

1:16:01

Hearing none.

1:16:03

A motion to adjourn.

1:16:07

Second.

1:16:07

All those in favor signify.

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Summary of Proceedings

Saginaw City Council Meeting - September 9, 2025

The Saginaw City Council met on September 9, 2025, at the Anderson Enrichment Center. The meeting opened with a moment of silence and prayer for the passing of Mayor Ham, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance and roll call. Six members were present (Seals, Garcia, Ostash, Wiggins, Ham, Moore) and two absent (Balls, Braddock). The agenda included six public hearings, public input, council remarks, a manager's report, and several resolutions and ordinances.

Consent Calendar

  • The consent agenda was approved with the exception of Item 4. Item 4 was pulled for discussion and later approved.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Mike Thompson expressed a compliment on the council's fiscal stewardship and criticized the absence of a property tax cap removal and income tax proposal on the November ballot. He urged the council to place such measures on a future ballot, noting the current strategic plan relies on state legislation that may stall under Republican control.
  • David Schmidt, a Hemlock resident, raised concerns about the Saginaw VA Medical Center, reporting loss of collective bargaining, staffing shortages, and low morale. He urged the council to advocate for veterans and employees, stating that local leadership has been silent.
  • Dante Davis (Saginaw STEM) updated the council on ARPA-funded programs, reporting nearly 3,000 children served in STEM Saturday programs, a solar car trip to Michigan Tech, and a new facility for after-school programming. He invited council to an open house and distributed t-shirts.

Discussion Items

  • Public Hearings:

    1. Comprehensive Annual Performance Evaluation Report (CAPER) FY 2024-2025 – Kana Franklin (Deputy Director of Community Services) presented accomplishments: 8 jobs created, 17 properties demolished, 344 seniors served in Y Senior Connect, 5,800 children in youth programs, 3 new houses built, support for 4 homeless shelters serving 621 people, and 64 households assisted with rapid rehousing. The 15-day comment period ends September 22.
    2. Neighborhood Enterprise Zone Covenant 3 – A presentation described a third NEZ near Covenant’s campus to allow tax abatements on new or rehabbed homes built with Habitat for Humanity. No public speakers.
    3. Obsolete Property Rehabilitation Certificate for 301 N Hamilton (Shook Hotel) – Kyle (Metro Multi Property Management) requested a 12-year tax abatement to renovate the historic building into a first-floor bar and grill and 12 residential units on upper floors. A $3.5 million project. Steve Hensley (Saginaw Future) spoke in support, noting the building was constructed in 1867 and is a Saginaw landmark. The abatement is necessary for feasibility.
    4. Brownfield Plan Amendment for 400 Federal Avenue – Grace Smith (Saginaw Future) described a $2.1 million redevelopment of a vacant two-story building into a packing and receiving warehouse, including environmental remediation. The project is expected to create logistics and administrative jobs.
    5. Brownfield Plan Amendment for Adams Street Project – Grace Smith presented an $11 million project to demolish existing structures and build a four-story mixed-use building with 15 one-bedroom and 15 two-bedroom apartments, plus two-story townhomes, ground-floor commercial space, and public improvements. Expected to support 10 full-time jobs.
    6. Termination of Brownfield Plan for 2205 N Michigan Avenue (Dispensary Project) – The developer did not proceed; no demolition or construction occurred. The plan is abolished to allow future investment.
  • Manager's Report:

    • Announcement of a parks and recreation plan survey online until October 3, with a community input session October 9, 5:30-6:30 p.m.
    • Team Up to Cleanup thanked; city staff assist neighborhood cleanup groups.
    • Police front porch roll call September 18 at 6 p.m. at Saginaw Housing Commission.
    • County administrator meeting this week to discuss animal control and parks/recreation partnerships.
    • Discrepancy noted: roll call initially stated Councilmember Balls absent, but later Councilman Ball spoke and voted. The transcript may contain an error; council proceeded with six members present initially, but later seven voted on resolutions.
  • Councilmember Remarks:

    • Councilmember Braddock (absent from roll call but later present via video?) – spoke about checking on elderly, supporting tax cap discussion, and advocating for veterans at the VA based on his military experience. He praised Saginaw STEM.
    • Councilmember Wiggins thanked speakers and noted Mr. Thompson’s tax cap ideas.
    • Councilmember Ostash appreciated citizen engagement on VA issues and agreed council should speak out.
    • Councilmember Seals praised Dante Davis and Saginaw STEM, reminded drivers to stop for school buses, and invited community to the Friends of Rucky open house on September 13.
    • Councilmember Ball thanked speakers, noted his granddaughter’s STEM involvement, reported a $40,000 award for a mentoring group, and participated in a neighborhood cleanup.
    • Councilmember Nashtash (likely Ostash) offered condolences for Mayor Ham’s family, shared recycling tips (styrofoam at zoo, plastic bags at Meyer Corp), thanked cleanup volunteers, and offered to teach coding for STEM.
    • Mayor Pro Tem Garcia thanked Mike Thompson and Dante Davis, noted his work with disabled seniors, supported VA advocacy, and expressed excitement about new developments (Water Street, Shook Hotel).
    • Mayor Moore thanked cleanup volunteers, reiterated the city’s cleanliness, acknowledged Mr. Thompson’s tax suggestion but noted elderly homeowners’ burden, and pledged to sit down and discuss expanding the tax cap conversation.

Key Outcomes

  • Ordinance Introduced – Low-Income Housing Tax Exemption for Harrison Manor: Introduced with unanimous support (laid over under charter provision). Councilmember Ham expressed full support, calling it a needed tool for senior housing.
  • Ordinance Adopted – Vacate Part of Thompson Street: Adopted unanimously.
  • Resolution 1 – Obsolete Property Rehabilitation Certificate for 301 N Hamilton: Adopted unanimously.
  • Resolution 2 – Brownfield Plan Amendment for 400 Federal Avenue: Adopted on roll call 7-1 (Councilmember Hammond voted nay). Amendment clarified council approval is contingent on DDA approval of an interlocal agreement.
  • Resolution 3 – Brownfield Plan Amendment for Adams Street Project: Adopted on roll call 7-1 (Councilmember Hammond voted nay). Same contingency clause.
  • Resolution 4 – Terminate Brownfield Plan 19 for 2205 N Michigan: Adopted unanimously.
  • Resolution 5 – Authorize Amplifying Equipment for Community Event: Adopted unanimously.
  • Consent Item 4 – Purchase of DDI Inspector for $27,500: Approved after discussion about cybersecurity (two ransomware attacks were mitigated).
  • Meeting Adjourned at approximately 6:30 p.m. (estimated).

Meeting Transcript

Good evening. I'd like to take a moment of silence for one of our mayors who who passed on the glory this morning. Ms. Ham. Will Maham. And we will be led by prayer by Gacenta Seals, and I will do the pledge. Let's take a moment of silence, please. Thank you. You would like to participate. Father God, we thank you for our past and our past leaders that have leaded us and guided us through all types of situations and trials. We thank you for every type of support and leadership that have given us and have provided for us through all the times that have gotten us to this place that we are here today, God. We thank you for the seasons that are upon us now that it is a new day for us to walk into. And most high God, we thank you for showing up and showing out for us. We are ready to do your will. And we thank you for this new time in this new season. In Jesus' name we pray, amen. Amen. I pledge to the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God into this vote with liberty and justice for all. Madam Clerk, roll call, please. Councilmember Seals. Present. Councilmember Balls is absent. Mayor Protem Garcia. Present. Councilmember Astach. Present. Councilmember Braddock is absent. Councilmember Wiggins. Present. Councilmember Ham. Present. And Mayor Moore. Present. You have six members present and two absent. Okay, good evening, everyone. Thank you so much for coming to City Council meeting tonight. Just now housekeeping. Please put your phone on vibrate or silence. As well as your computer. This is a public meeting, and we ask that you abstain from bullying clapping and any obnoxious behavior. Once again, please put your phones on silence. Madam Clark, do we have any announcements? Yes, Mayor, we have a few. The deadline for those wishing to apply for the city council vacancy is this Friday, September 12th at 4 p.m. Applications are available in the city clerk's office. On Monday, September 22nd, Council will conduct a committee of the whole session beginning at 4 p.m. to interview candidates for the council vacancy. The special single subject council meeting will begin at 6 p.m. to consider an appointment to the council vacancy.

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