Good evening.

I would like to call the November 13th, 2025 meeting of the planning board to order.

Please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.

Pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

For which it stands.

One nation under God.

Indivisible Liberty and Justice for all.

My name is Joe Fioli serving as chairman tonight.

Members of the planning board sitting tonight.

To my right, Jim Harvey.

Good evening, Salem.

Victor Hellenic.

Good evening, Salem.

Sean Lewis.

Good evening.

To my left town council rep Jeff Hatch.

Hello, Salem.

Chuck Saba.

Good evening.

And Damon Norcross.

Go Pets and go Salem High.

Oh nice.

And tonight from the planning department, we have Jacob Lafontaine.

Agenda for tonight is as follows.

We have a public hearing for the adoption of the recreation master plan.

Four I five items, a new business, one linear retail property site plan.

It's a public hearing for amended site plan and conditional use permit for reduced parking at 125 South Broadway.

Sarage Realty Site Plan is a public hearing for amended site plan and phasing schedule for 6,000 square feet of office vehicle maintenance and dry ice manufacturing building and 20,000 square foot warehouse storage building, paved tractor trail storage area and a conditional use permit at 44 pound road.

Three Tuscan village master developments, a public hearing for North Jewel buildings, one two-story, 7500 square foot retail building at one single story, 3800 square foot retail and restaurant building at 21 V of Toscana, four auto zone site plan, it's a public hearing for 6800 square foot retail building at 42 North Broadway.

And the last item of new business is HCA Health Services of New Hampshire Site Plan public hearing for 12,000 square foot freestanding 24 hour emergency room at 53 South Broadway.

Any withdrawals?

Mr.

Chair, the second item of new business, Saraj Realty LLC is withdrawn as well as the fourth item of new business, AutoZone Inc.

Both of those we anticipate would be on the December 9th agenda.

But December 9th is when we anticipate it.

So this would be the notice to the abutters.

We notify four meetings including the December 9th.

Great.

Thank you.

We have one item of minutes.

Second.

Motion a second to approve the October 28th meeting minutes.

Any discussion?

All in favor.

I do not have those minutes.

You want to abstain?

Yeah.

Okay.

I'll also be.

Okay.

All is in favor.

Abstain.

Well, we'll have to take another vote then.

We'll take that back.

We'll table those minutes.

Um the fur let's go to the public hearing uh for the uh adoption of the uh recreation master site plan here from the uh rec department Hi, good evening, uh Mr.

Chair and members of the board.

My name is Creighton Brubaker.

I'm the community development program manager.

Uh tonight I'm presenting on the Salem Recreation Master Plan Phase One.

Uh this is a plan that was adopted by the Rec Advisory Committee back in September.

Uh this was also presented uh to the town council back in September.

So this recreation master plan phase one uh was kind of uh uh inspired earlier this year uh with the intent of kind of looking at the future of Salem's recreation and opportunities uh related there too.

Uh I want to shout out some uh notable members who who work very diligently on this plan, uh including the members of the recreation advisory, they're listed on uh the screen there.

Um, as well as uh John Vogel, our GIS manager, Kristen Yankowskis from Tyne Bond, and Katie Duffy, the the former community services director, um, as well as all these individuals who helped kind of guide and shape this uh master plan phase one.

So uh the overall project accomplishments.

So this is the initial phase of the park and rec master plan.

Uh this was really intended to kind of uh create a foundation for recreation in town, uh kind of establishing a shared vision, goals and objectives.

Um we completed a level of service analysis which compares Salem to the National Uh Rex and Park Association metrics and standards.

We also looked at potential site diagrams, so those are conceptual site planceptual site diagramming for three sites in town that the town owns, as well as taking an inventory of our current facilities using our GIS data, and that is all compiled into one thing and is used by our GIS manager to look at our assets for the town.

So an overall view of the timeline.

I won't uh go through all this, but essentially we met earlier this year with the rec committee multiple times, uh, and we worked with Ty and Bond, who was our consultant to develop a survey, develop the survey results, look at these site diagrams, and then ultimately the rec committee adopted this plan in September 2025.

And we're looking to the planning board to hopefully adopt this tonight and provide feedback for that.

The vision statement, as you can see on the screen, is uh kind of ties in a little bit with the townwide master plan, but um making Salem a community committed to expanding and enhancing parks, trails, and open space while creating a connected accessible and well-maintained network of active and passive rec open spaces and conservation easements for all residents.

Uh just very high level, uh kind of in conjunction again with the townwide master plan.

Uh, we looked at different objectives and goals uh for connecting sidewalks and pathways throughout town uh in alignment with our sidewalk master plan, creating pocket parks where those are available where we have the town land, increasing access to public water bodies, maintaining and improving our existing park infrastructure.

That was something that came up regularly.

Is what do we have now and how can we maintain it better, and how as well, how can we expand our infrastructure related to recreation, enhancing programming, as well as completing and maintaining the rail trail.

Well, that was one of the big moves of the townwide master plan, and then expanding upon trail networks, such as those in the town forest.

Again, uh another big thing in town that we heard from residents through the survey and through the process was increasing uh playgrounds, ball fields, and courts, as well as uh new rec facilities, skate parks, dog parks, splash pads, uh restrooms, such as along the rail trail, uh, and then parking for these amenities as well.

Looking with uh potential partnerships with garden clubs and other organizations to foster environmental stewardship and increasing historic and cultural heritage, such as like the the Veterans Plaza and the new Depot Village Veterans Plaza, which looks very nice.

Uh and and working with these groups to kind of celebrate the history of Salem.

So there's kind of three sections.

One the first one was the survey results where we heard from the public.

The second of that uh we did three site diagrams for town and parcels that could potentially be developed for recreation in the future, and then finally we looked at the existing level of service analysis, which compares what we have for parks and programming and other things to the national standards.

So there are 20 questions.

We have over 250 responses from residents.

Uh we start out with how important are parks and rec to you, the vast majority at least consider it somewhat important, uh, over 70% considering it very important.

We looked at uh we named different recreational fields and facilities and how uh often residents visit those locations.

The top-rated one was the rail trail.

Most people uh using that at least once or twice per month.

Uh and then the least known was Little Saugus Field, which is kind of a community neighborhood park.

Uh the top three facilities that people visited most.

Uh, this question you were asked to select the top three.

Michelle Memorial, Field of Dreams, and the Rail Trail were uh top amongst those town forests also had a about 25% chose that one.

We asked residents their satisfaction for youth, teens, and uh young adults as well as adults uh as to their satisfaction with recreation programming and facilities in town.

Um with the youth, it's about split.

Um if you look at the chart there with teens and young adults, maybe it's leans slightly towards dissatisfied, and then with adults, it uh again slightly leaning towards dissatisfied or very dissatisfied.

Uh looking at the question, my neighborhood has adequate parks and rec facilities about an even split, maybe a little bit leaning towards disagree or strongly disagree, and then we asked people to put their neighborhoods where they uh live, and then North Salem, Lynwood Ave, and South Broadway were among uh some of the top.

Uh we we looking at conservation and open space, the importance of that to residents, almost 80%, um totaling almost 95% if you include somewhat important.

Uh we asked why people don't use the existing rec facilities and spaces.

Uh one or the top one was that they don't know the location, so that's kind of uh looking to us to kind of market what we do have and promote those things.

Lack of programming was another top one, and then conditions are poorly maintained.

So looking at again, kind of a theme throughout town and throughout our master plans and through the community are that we need to maintain our buildings and facilities and whatnot.

There was also a significant amount of other responses, lack of sidewalks to and from safety concerns.

Some parks have fees in town.

Sometimes the times that they're open, and then dog restrictions and then lack of practice fields were chief among why people don't use those spaces.

For this question, we ask if the town were to spend additional resources, where should those resources be spent?

The top one was maintain and enhance our existing parks and rec facilities in open space areas that had over 87% or around 87% people agree with that, as well as uh provide or protect undeveloped land from future development, had 69%, acquiring additional land, developing more active recreation, meaning playgrounds or courts, uh more walking and hiking trails, uh preserving land for habitat, uh as well as expanding programming and community services were some of the top ones that people agreed with.

Uh we asked, are people receptive to allocating additional town resources or funds toward additional parks and rec resources combined?

It looks about like 80% or so was very or somewhat receptive to that question.

We asked for parks and rec wish list, what would people want to have in town?

Um water access for swimming was a large amount, restrooms had over 50%, as you can see near the bottom there, a splash pad, and as well as a variety of other responses, including uh multi-purpose fields, uh practice fields was a significant recurring theme that we saw in the other responses that people could leave in open-ended fields, uh completing the rail trail, more restrooms, an indoor rec center, and improving the Zimbabweab were among the other top responses.

We asked the people who lived and worked in town and if they had children and the age range of those who took the survey.

We looked at uh what other places do Salem residents go outside of Salem for recreation, the top of which was Griffin Park.

Um they have uh accessible playgrounds there, and uh just a nice layout of kind of ball fields and uh uh there's walking trails.

It's really a premier park in Wyndham.

Um, and so that was uh top among the responses, as well as several conservation easements or conservation areas, excuse me, and then several town forests and reservations as well as beaches, uh the White Mountains, dairy splash pad were among those.

So uh the second to last question was where do you think additional parks are needed?

The top area was the Millville Lake area, so the town owns two uh owns some parcels up in this area.

This is where the Millville beach is uh, and uh there's potential area that we'll talk about in a minute for uh potential park development.

Um people looked at beach access restricting that to Salem residents.

There's an old bath uh an old bathhouse in that area, as well as adding picnic tables, walking trails, maybe a dog park, and then general support for recreational development in that area.

I think that's something that has been talked about in the past.

And then other responses you can see uh different pocket parks and um continuing redevelopment of hedgehog, uh mentioning North Salem as kind of underserved, uh Lawrence Road, Tuscan Village, uh expanding the rail trail and potentially adding indoor recreational space.

And then open-ended comments, again, the need for maintenance of our existing facilities was kind of number one, uh, looking to expand and diversify what we have.

So whether that's more courts for specific sports, uh dog park, skate park, splash fat splash pads, etc.

Uh enhancing connectivity, so that was a large thing in the town wide master plan is connecting the town, the major areas of town through sidewalks and the rail trail.

Uh public access to water bodies again at Millville and Arlington Pond.

There's not much public access, and that's something that uh we heard uh resoundingly from residents as a desire for, uh, and then increasing the communication and public awareness of uh what we do have, and those kind of align with our goals and objectives.

So this is the second part that we looked at with the rec master plan.

So uh talking earlier again about the millville parcels, so the town owns uh parcel, which has the Millville beach.

That's a uh public land, I believe it's currently maintained by the Millville uh Lake Pond Association.

I might be uh butchering the name, but um this is town-owned land with the town beach.

Um it it currently has a bathhouse on that property.

We looked at what could be done here for recreational development.

Um, some of the existing constraints include that the Millville Circle Road is quite narrow.

But um within this conceptual site diagram, uh we looked at what could we do with that street with the parking configuration, uh increasing access to that with a dock of sorts as well as a switchback trail and potentially enhancing that area.

Um the constraints with again is the street and that needing to be realigned and redone uh as well as the the visibility from the street and whatnot, but this is something that could be done uh at this location.

Zooming out, so what what we just saw on the left-hand side here is uh the parking area in Millville Beach.

So this is Millville.

Um looking, we asked the consultant to something that we've heard um from residents before is what could be put there as far as sports fields and practice fields.

We really asked them to uh maximize what could be potentially done there.

There are several constraints to consider for the future if that were to be developed into park space, as you can see in the topography.

Um it goes from about 180 feet above sea level to about 150 feet, so that's a significant grade change uh requiring so tree removal, uh retaining walls for construction of fields uh as well.

There's existing constraints and options on the sides of each of these.

Um it's kind of hard to see on the presentation, but it's all available on the on the packet online.

So constructing uh recreational facilities would also be close to uh the adjacent homes, uh, which is uh probably another concern, as well as the parking there.

So if we we asked the consultant again to maximize what could be put there.

So you could theoretically put a softball, baseball, and soccer or multi-purpose field there.

Um, but again, you gotta uh keep in the constraints with if that is ever developed in the future for public recreation.

Uh another problem with this uh section of land is that it's bisected by a conservation easement, a wildlife corridor, uh as well as uh wetlands and I think uh 100-year flood zone.

So this is further to the east along Glen Denon Drive.

Uh to more we asked the consultant again to max maximize what could potentially be done there just to look at that from a diagram perspective.

Um obviously we're not proposing that to go in right away or anything like that, but getting an idea of what could go in in these town-owned parcels.

So you could theoretically fit um two multi-purpose fields there, but parking would be limited, and again, the access is something to consider, as well as the the proximity to the conservation easement, the um that the parcel being bisected, uh, a wildlife corridor, etc.

So theoretically, you could put two soccer or multi-purpose fields here, um, but that's something we looked at.

Uh an alternative proposal for this, which would be a lower impact development is looking at this as a kind of a holistic, maybe walking trail uh for the town, partnering potentially with the conservation commission uh or other groups to make this a walking and hiking trail uh of two half mile loops.

Again, you can see a broader perspective of these parcels bisected by uh the things that I mentioned earlier, including the the east men, the hundred-year flood zone and uh the wildlife corridor.

The second of the three parcels that we looked at is 73 Lawrence Road.

This is a town-owned parcel at the corner of Veterans Memorial Parkway and Lawrence Road.

Uh, the this is about a five-acre parcel, about four of those are wet and are next to the Spigot River, I believe.

Uh, we looked at what could potentially be put there as far as like a pocket park of sorts.

So one of the obvious major challenges is the proximity to a very busy intersection.

Um, we actually have a sidewalk grant in now with uh the state for uh transportation alternative program grant uh for sidewalk along the veterans memorial parkway and Lawrence Road, and a part of that would be uh enhancing pedestrian measures at this area within keeping in mind that this could be a park one day.

So we do have that grant as proposed.

So uh looking a little more at the site specifically.

Um we really looked at this with the rec committee and looked at the opportunities there of maybe uh it would given the proximity to the senior center, maybe some areas for lawn games, uh a little walking loop of sorts, like gazebo, uh, and some trees, and maybe just a nice little pocket park within town near the town center.

And again, those uh those sidewalks that are proposed, uh, we do have a grant for and um would connect existing sidewalks uh as per our sidewalk master plan in town.

And then again, we could work with the conservation commission uh to create boardwalks of some sort uh and enhance uh signage and and wildlife um opportunities for that those areas of wetlands back there.

Uh this parcel is called Little Saugus Field.

This is an uh area off of Millville Lake.

It's a kind of a neighborhood park.

Um currently I think it's being used as a parking lot.

But uh so this is a town-owned parcel.

Uh we again asked the asked the consultant to see what could be put there, a T ball field and maybe a little bit of a playground area is possible, but um there are constraints.

The the site is very narrow uh with a width of 143 feet.

So this uh there's little room for active recreation, but we did ask the consultant again to look at this third parcel.

So that could potentially be developed into that or a walking trail or some sort of passive recreation of some sort in the future.

So after uh the site diagrams and the survey, we looked at the level of service results that Salem has for parks and recreation.

Uh we uh delineated the different parks based off of the criteria by the NRPA, which is the National Rex Recreation and Parks Association, uh, and looking at uh their categories of parks, you can see that there, and the usable acreage of each of those.

Uh uh this is more parks metrics related to that uh and some maps.

We'll skip through that.

So for our inner RPA findings, um we found that the residents per park for uh for a community of our size uh averages about 2,386 residents per park.

Salem's at about 2,103.

But this does include the town forest, and we're looking at acreage, and approximately 350 of those acres are um the town forest.

So if we take out the town forest, the the numbers are a little different there.

Um and then the acres per parkland, acres of parkland per thousand residents is ten point six uh nationally, and it's twenty-one point six um for Salem.

Uh looking at the number of residents per park again, uh the the median is two thousand sixty-two, and Salem's is at two thousand one hundred and three, so we're relatively in line there.

Uh and then again, this acres of parkland per thousand residents is twenty point six acres per parkland, acres of parkland per thousand.

Uh the median is eleven point two, but if you remove the town forest, it's nine point four, so we go under um the the median, the average for a town of our size.

Uh this one is I think is the most significant for the types of recreational uh playgrounds and ball fields uh in alignment with towns our size across the country.

We are under provided on several kind of metrics.

Um that the green highlighted section um kind of shows that.

So looking at playgrounds and play structures, uh we're under provided on that.

Uh diamond fields, which is softball and baseball, we're slightly under provided for the amount of residence that we have.

Uh basketball courts were underprovided across town, rectangular fields, which are uh uh soccer or multi-purpose fields were underprovided, tennis courts underprovided, and dog parks.

We don't have a dog park in town, so we're underprovided, or there's none present there.

Um so kind of our acreage is relatively in line with uh NRPA standards, but kind of the facilities that we talk about in town are underprovided in each of these metrics.

Uh the kind of the last thing that we looked at here was the miles of trail in town.

So we look used GAS to uh approximate how many miles we have in town, and that's 12 miles, but that does include the town forest trail network, which is approximately four or five miles, and then the rail trail is five miles.

So if you remove these things, we're at about we exceed the benchmark, but if you remove them, we are very underprovided for as far as uh trail mileage.

Um happy to answer any questions.

Thank you.

Um any members of the public like to speak on the uh recreation master plan.

Anything from the board.

Yeah, sorry.

Rubaker, you did a great job summarizing 160 slides or pages into how the presentation you gave.

Um I just a statement for me.

The um you look our town um logo has industry, commerce, and recreation, and the recreation advisory committee and the work that you guys have done here, and you guys are really the ones that are championing recreation in the town, uh, which is really you know really really important, and I think you guys have done some amazing work.

I think uh over 20 years ago when I was on the rec advisory committee.

I think we were trying to do this by hand and didn't have the resources.

You guys have really put a lot of attention to it.

Um, and I think the report looks really good.

So just thank you.

Thank you.

Thanks.

Anything further from the board?

Um, yeah, I I you know agree with Mr.

Norcross.

I went through the whole uh master plan, it was really well put together.

Uh when was the last time Salem put a recreational master plan together?

Uh 1997 from what I can remember.

Anything get implemented from that?

Uh still working on some of the stuff.

Well, I hope I'm hopeful that all of the objectives here get implemented.

So if if you need any help from the planning board or us, you know, let us know, please, because uh we should work on implementing the whole recreational master plan as soon as possible, is my opinion.

Mr.

Chair, I move to adopt the recreation master plan phase one.

Second uh motion a second to adopt the uh recreation master plan.

All those in favor?

Uh it's unanimous.

Thank you very much.

Appreciate the presentation.

Um with that we'll go to uh the first item of new business um on the agenda.

That's the linear retail properties site plan public hearing for amended site plan and conditional use permit for reduced parking at 125 South Broadway.

Is the plan complete?

Yes, the plan is complete.

Mr.

Chairman, at this time I move to accept the linear retail property site plan is complete.

Second motion a second to accept the linear retail property site plan.

All is a favor.

That's unanimous.

Uh butters, please.

The butters are as follows.

If you're here, please make it by saying so.

They are town of Salem, Young Sim Ning Lim Living Trust, Karma Realty, CEO Law Office of Reardon, Karma Inc., CEO Cumberland Farms, Mima Properties, LLC, State of New Hampshire DOT, and that's all.

Great.

Thanks.

Go to the applicant to present the plan.

Good evening.

The record, my name is Christi Workley, DPI.

We were here back in June.

Got a conditional use permit for the reduction in parking for a new restaurant and fitness studio that are going into the development.

When we were here back in June, we proposed to remove shed behind the building.

So we need to take the three spaces that are adjacent to it and use those for the dumpster area.

So we've lost three more spaces.

So we had a reduction of 27 spaces, now we have a reduction of 30.

Um that's that's really about it.

That's it from the last time.

I'll keep a quiz.

Okay.

I'll keep it, I'll keep it keep it quick.

We're like that.

Uh Jacob, any anything to add on that?

No, not really to anything to add.

I just would acknowledge that uh at our last meeting we talked about new light poles being installed by the ATM.

I'm just gonna ask Mr.

York to incorporate those on the signed plan.

Um, if the board's comfortable, they have begun to do some of the uh modifications to the site associated with that prior approval.

Uh but if the board is comfortable with the revision to the conditional use permit and the amended site plan uh for the reduction of the three spaces, recommendation would be the uh grant conditional approval subject to uh conditions I can provide now if you'd like.

Yes, please, which would be uh part occupancy one, relocate dumpsters to designated area, remove from propane tanks and install dumpster enclosure uh under other uh two, all conditions of the June 24th, 2025 approval remain in full force and effect, and then three all representations made by applicant or agents and all notes on the plan are incorporated as part of the approval.

Uh thank you.

Um speak on the plan board.

Have any comments, concerns from Alyssa?

Yeah, Mr.

Lewis?

Just technical question, Jacob.

Do I just have to move to approve the CUP or gonna do the site plan as well?

I would do uh you could probably do it in one motion, but I would move to approve the amended conditional use permit and uh site plan because they are making a modification to the site.

Understood, thank you.

Why can't we move the shed just so it's in the record?

I will let uh Al and Kelly from Linear explain it to you.

I don't want to screw it up, so good evening.

Um Alan Kelly with linear properties.

Uh the shed when we were here last time, um we believe to be uh defunct essentially.

Um it was fenced in.

We thought it was a perfect location for the dumpster uh dumpster corral to be relocated.

Uh once we investigated the shed, we saw that it was in use by existing business Finn Dyson's, um, which was a pre-existing business from before we owned the property.

It had never come up before as a um as a building that was in use.

So that's that's what that was.

Good.

Good.

Okay.

Anything further?

Uh Mr.

Lewis.

I'm ready for a motion unless there are any other.

Yeah, well it's a tamo.

Let's do it.

Uh Mr.

Chairman, at this time, I would move.

I move to approve the amended conditional use permit for additional reduced parking per the applicant's letter dated October 20, 2025, and further move that the linear uh retail property site plan be accepted with all conditions noted by Mr.

LaPontech.

Second, the motion is second to approve the uh Great Greek and Beetle Fitness Site Plan and grant the uh conditional use permit for reduced parking with the three conditions.

Um further discussion on that.

All in favor.

That's unanimous.

Thanks.

Thank you.

All right.

Um was withdrawn.

Uh next item is the Tuscan Village Master Development Site Plan.

It's a public hearing for North Jewel buildings, one two-story 7500 square foot retail building at one single story, 3800 square foot retail and restaurant building at 21 via Toscana.

Yes, the plan is complete.

Mr.

Chairman, at this time I move that we accept the Tuscan Village North Jewel Building site plan is complete.

Second.

Motion is second to accept the Tuscan Village Master Development North Jewel Building Site Plan.

All is in favor.

It's unanimous abutters.

The butters are as follows.

If you're here, please indicate by saying so.

They are CHDO F1 THC MF Tuscan 3000, Tuscan Village Block 3000, Tuscan 3000 Condo Association, Tuskin Village Block 1300, Tuscan Village Jewel Building 1, Tusking Village Master Development, and that is all.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman, members of the board for the record.

My name is Mark Gross with Tuftscan Village Development representing the uh Tuscan Village Master Plan LLC.

Um we're here this evening uh for the uh last part of the what we call the Jewel Buildings, uh which is at the north end of the site and is located just to the north of where the central piazza is, that's where the uh fountain is.

So this is consistent with the approval uh in terms of uh the the buildings uh number of buildings and uh first of the first sheet.

This is kind of a uh colored perspective of the two buildings.

As you can see, there's a central courtyard area uh in between them.

Um Jacob, if you go to the next slide.

So this is a uh summary of what the changes are.

The previous approval, there were two buildings that hasn't changed any.

Uh the gross building area uh originally was 4200 square feet between the two buildings.

In this case, it's 11,219 square feet, which is a net uh increase of 7,119 square feet.

That's primarily due to uh the uh first building being two-story.

Um then the retail area uh originally those two buildings uh were just uh restaurant type uh buildings.

Uh in this case, uh we have a mix of retail and restaurant.

Uh so the uh proposed retail area is about 8,894 square feet.

Uh the restaurant area was 4200 square feet, that's reduced down to 2325 square feet, uh, which is in the second building, 1040.

Um, and the building height um is still under the 35 feet max uh required.

Uh next slide.

So I want to just kind of go through the architectural design.

As you can see, this is the two-story, this is building 1030.

This is the one that is further south of the two buildings.

This is a two-story retail.

We have prospective tenants for this.

So this is kind of the back of that first building, the two-story, and we're showing the elevations and the materials as well.

Go to the next slide, Jacob.

This is the building that's the furthest north.

This is the this has two tenants.

The space behind it is a retail space, no tenant at this point in time.

So next slide.

One for lot coverage and the other for number of parking spaces.

So if you go to the next slide.

So on the lot coverage, it's proposed to be 93.4% for the new building lot, which is where these two buildings sit.

And these buildings sit in between where Capitol Grill is and the new apartments that just occupied or the first phase occupied this week.

70% lot coverage is permitted.

So when we do these, we always look at what the overall community cumulative lot coverage is for the 120 acres because we have made a commitment that we will be under the 70% for the 120 acres.

In this case, we're currently at 69%, which is less than the allowable lot coverage of 70%.

Next slide.

So there are on that parcel, and they're basically the parallel spaces that line each side of Via Toscana.

There are a total of 85 spaces are required for the uses in these two buildings.

We have in that area we have a total of 16 spaces, so therefore we we are requiring a reduction of 69 spaces to for the conditional use permit.

Currently the parking for the 120 acres, I'm sorry, for the uh the uh village is 1,559 spaces where we received an overall uh a CUP for an over overall deficit of 1,875.

So we're well uh under that uh deficit that was approved under the original site plan.

If you go to the next slide.

So this is the conditional use permit request criteria.

Uh I'm not gonna go through this at this point uh unless the chairman wants me to, but we can go through the rest of the presentation and then uh maybe return to that.

So if you go to yes, that's slide.

Um this is the uh impact fee table uh for this.

Uh we're looking at uh paying uh both a traffic impact fee and a uh public safety impact fee.

Uh those two total about 69, just a little under 70,000 dollars.

Go to the next slide, Jacob.

Again, this is an overall site plan of where it's located as you can see.

Uh to the west is the what we call it building 3,000, that is where Capitol Grill is, and then to the east is the uh building 1300, which is where uh the new apartments are, and uh Whole Foods is to the to the uh back of that facing route 28.

Next slide.

Again, this is your standard site plan uh which you know, which again we've got very similar uh we're trying to carry the uh flavor of the uh uh jewel buildings uh with planter beds, uh planter beds at the entrances on both ends, uh, as well as along the uh streetscape, and then in the center we have uh a seating area uh for uh people similar to what we have out there now between the uh jewel buildings.

Go to the next slide.

This is the uh uh grading and drainage plan.

Uh most of the infrastructure uh for this is in already uh on via Tuscana.

Uh so not much to say on this.

Uh next slide is utility plan, and again, most of the infrastructure is already in uh sewer, water, uh so all we need to do is make connections into the buildings from uh those those typical utilities.

Uh next slide.

Again, the landscape plan.

Um we looked at uh the number of trees, because as you know, that's that was uh you know something that we had to do with the uh the uh first phase of the jewel buildings.

Uh we looked in this plan, the original plan had 13 trees.

Uh we're gonna try to increase that uh above this uh plan uh and Jacob had mentioned some of those uh planting uh beds that are along the street there uh on the side.

Uh we're currently looking at potentially putting trees in there.

They're a little bit narrower than the ones we already had.

Uh we've already constructed because the buildings are a little bit wider.

Uh, but we think we can fit some uh some additional ornamental trees in there uh to kind of match uh what we have uh going uh down uh via Tuscana and uh and uh Artisan Drive.

So next and this is just the lighting plan.

So that kind of concludes my presentation, and if the board has any questions, I'd be glad to answer.

Great.

Thanks.

Um planning department comments.

Um yeah, so just to uh follow up on Mr.

Gross's presentation.

Uh he's provided that summary to essentially show how this plan has changed, be uh beyond the 2021 master plan that you approved in February of 2021.

Uh they are adding the gross floor area, decrease in the restaurant space, um, increase in retail, and then adding that second story.

In terms of the drainage and utilities, there's not really many changes proposed.

Most of that is already in place.

There are some comments that we received today from our senior engineer uh Jim Brown, uh, mostly about you know water use estimates, uh verifying building numbers and addresses on the plan, and then that the domestic water service sizes will need to be approved by the water department for any intended use.

Uh one of his comments, I think, was that the current proposed uh sizes might be uh oversized for the the retail use.

Um but aside from that, not really any changes to the drainage and utilities.

In terms of the buildings, the elevations draw uh drawns are provided showing contemporary buildings with a mix of materials.

Um I haven't really dug in into the elevations yet.

I anticipate that we'll meet with our third-party design consultant and the applicant and review um the elevations.

Uh, you know, just I I do have some comments regarding particularly building uh 1030, which is the Southern Lee building.

Uh just think that you know that could maybe have some modifications to better conform with our design guidelines, and I anticipate that would be something that we would discuss with the design consultant, but I just wanted to acknowledge that this time.

In terms of driveways and traffic and site distance, there's not really any changes uh shown on on this plan relative to that.

I noted uh that there were 35 parallel spaces shown.

That's not right.

That was a typo, there's 16 spaces shown.

And as Mr.

Gross noted, they're gonna seek a conditional use permit for that.

They'll have to pay impact fees for traffic and public safety.

Uh trip generation budget was provided.

We'll send that to Mr.

Pernou to see if he you know wants to weigh in on the scope of or the scope of this project.

He does look at the trip generation as projects change, but oftentimes he's looking at it kind of more comprehensively at the master plan level.

Uh, but we could certainly have them review review this uh application as well.

Um as Mr.

Gross noted the lock coverage is exceeded 93.4% and they'll need a conditional use permit.

Uh if the board were to approve this, I would imagine that uh condition of approval would be that you know they not exceed 70% on the cumulative 120 acres, which is something you've re-routinely done when you granted a conditional use permit for lot coverage.

Um aside from that, Mr.

Gross touched on it, but I I had uh the concern initially on this uh currently proposed landscape plan.

They only have shrubs and perennials along the streetscape.

I'm sure everybody's been out to via Tuscana and uh seen the jewel buildings.

Uh it'd be great.

I think it would it would make sense to continue uh the streetscape that you see in the South Jewel built and so you and that you see on uh Artisan Drive as well uh with um the ice cream store and uh Rockenham Park Boulevard, which have kind of a tree-lined street.

Um as Mr.

Gross indicated, I think the applicant is working on trying to accommodate that so that they're can continue the trees and those planters.

Um aside from that, I I think the big thing here is gonna be you know, the discussions that uh you know that we have with the design consultant on uh the elevations, the landscape, and and um and those are probably the the major things because everything else is substantially the same as what was uh previously proposed.

Um so uh recommendation tonight is continuance.

We're waiting for approvals from staff and outside consultants and uh the above items to be addressed.

Thank you.

Uh any members of the public like to speak on the plan from the board on this one?

Just a quick question clarification.

Mr.

Gross, so the building 1030, is that where the Christmas shops are constructed right now for the right 1030 and 1040?

That's where those are uh right now.

And they're actually in between uh 1200, which is the mercantile building, and 1300, which is where uh Whole Foods and the apartments are that uh that area's been completed.

Uh that is what we used to call the Muse, or you know, I don't remember what we called it, but that that has been completed.

Uh and I think Jacob has inspected uh or has done a site walk and uh found I believe found it in conformance with the uh design plans.

So I just want a clarification, thank you.

Yep.

Mr.

Gross, I think the uh the plans reference 1070 and 1075 as well.

Is that uh should they be 1030 and 1040?

Yeah, those are comment from engineering.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay, yeah.

Um, and then are there any implications for residents in these buildings with that building going two floors now?

Is there any no line of sight issues, anything that no is restricted?

So is it roughly in line with where uh the grocery store will be about as tall as the as Whole Foods or uh well it's you know, Whole Foods is like on the opposite side of this.

So um my understanding is that it it even though you you can't enter on that side that that's still that wall would still be Whole Foods if that's not the case.

I I'm no not at all.

All right.

And the two-story, I think it's 20 feet.

So yeah, Whole Foods will only have access uh from the I guess it'll have the southerly entrance, and then it'll have the parking under to the uh east.

So the garage under goes here, yeah, and then the main entrance I think is here, and then this is all uh on the first floor would be um retail units.

Okay.

Yeah, I just have a question.

Excuse me.

Um the retail that's gonna be going in there.

Okay, is uh okay.

I know you're not gonna tell us what you're talking who you're talking to or what it is.

But the one thing that I hear from a lot of people is when are we gonna get some good retail?

Now, I'm not a shopper.

I love walking around there and looking, and I get something to eat or drink or whatever, and I love the facilities.

But are we lacking retail or are you on target for retail and do you have tenants that you're aware of that are coming in?

It the the whole fitting up of the retail is a very intricate process.

I'm sure can't just take any retailer um, you know, uh, because you don't want people moving out in a year because you have that, right?

So I can tell you that uh you know we just uh I think they're opening soon.

Days jeweler is going in where Beach Plum was so yeah, they're looking at a variety of different uh retail.

And uh this might be another jewelry store, might be a you know high-end watches, um, you know, but meds shop maybe somewhere along the line.

You know what?

Just saying maybe thank you.

Anything further from the board?

Um I was gonna move.

Oh, okay.

Well, I just any seating out there or any uh I know there's all the planner boxes, but uh is that seating?

All those have the raised seating like they do in on via Tiscana.

Okay, yeah, and there will be seating in that center area.

Okay, uh, I'm sure Cafe Nero will want you know some outdoor seating.

Okay, so thanks.

Anything else?

Okay, Mr.

Chairman, at this time I'd move for a continuum.

Uh motion a second to continue the Tuscan Village North Jewel Building site plan any further discussion.

All those in favor.

That's unanimous.

Thanks.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Uh last item of new business on the agenda.

Auto zone is withdrawal.

Last item of new business is HCA health services of New Hampshire site plan.

Um public hearing for a 12,000 square foot freestanding 24 hour emergency room at 53 South Broadway.

Uh is the plan complete.

Yes, the plan is complete.

Mr.

Chairman, this is time I've moved the HCA Health Services of New Hampshire site plan being accepted as complete.

Motion a second to accept the HCA Health Services move New Hampshire site plan.

All those in favor.

That's unanimous.

The butters are as follows.

If you're here, please indicate by saying so.

They are uh Dumulas Supermarket, D Lorenzo, P Lorenzo Lafayette, Ledgewood Real Estate, U.S.

Postal Service, 45 Salem Holdings, LLC.

I should probably not have pronounced that one.

That's uh Armenian name, I think, right?

Shautanian.

I think I did that right.

Uh uh B mister, and that is all.

Uh thank you.

Go to the applicant to present the plan.

Good evening, everyone.

Uh, my name is Jack Maley.

I'm with former Lucas Engineering out of Nashville.

Um today we're talking about the proposed FSCR at 53 South Broadway.

Um this is an existing right aid site.

Um we are proposing a redevelopment with minor site changes and exterior facade um updates, um, generally keeping you know the site in the existing condition to remain with just some minor improvements.

Um a little bit about the facility.

It is a 24-hour um emergency care facility.

Primary the primary distinction between this and a hospital is um no inpatient services, no beds, so no overnight stays.

Um but they do sort of function the same as a hospital emergency room would and provide the same services.

Um I think that's all as far as an introduction goes, but happy to answer any questions about the use or um the site works here elements.

Okay, yeah, we'll uh hear from the planning department go through staff comments.

Okay.

Uh yeah, so this is 53 South Broadway.

You all know it as the uh right aid parcel.

Uh shown on the screen here is your existing conditions plan.

Um and the majority of the site is gonna remain substantially the same.

This is their demolition plan, but uh here this is the proposed site plan.

So eliminating some parking uh in the front for patient drop offs, adding an ambulance bay to the rear of the site, uh reconfiguring some of the spaces, but really they remain substantially the same.

I think uh they are relocating maybe some ADA spaces if I remember correctly.

This one's kind of fun.

This is a Sarah station, I think a service animal relief area, which initially I wasn't as familiar with, but they have a detail on there and they would provide that in the front of the site.

Uh they're also which I think is a great benefit to the project, providing a pedestrian connection to the uh sidewalk on on 28.

So right now there's no connection, you know, you have to traverse the uh the parking lot and then kind of you know cut through the grass and get on the sidewalk.

So I I do think that's a benefit and consistent with our master plan.

Uh we recently adopted.

Uh aside from that, uh I had a variety of comments in the review form that needed to be addressed to the applicant's credit.

They've they've worked pretty diligently.

Uh we had a meeting yesterday and actually took care of uh many of the items.

There are still some items that are outstanding.

Uh it's well go through them, I guess at this point, but one of the questions one of the comments was that a wetland stamp needed to be added.

They delineated the wetland uh earlier this year.

We wanted to have the wetland scientists associated with that delineation.

They did provide that.

And one thing that's not shown on this plan is the prime wetland and the prime wetland buffer.

So we we would want that added to the plan.

I don't believe that there's any disturbance to the prime wetland buffer.

You'll actually see the edge of wet that was delineated is actually a lot further removed than our prime wetland overlay.

If I had that map up, I which I could show you if you'd like, but it probably comes a little bit further, kind of like you know, maybe in this area if I recall.

And uh they aren't proposing any.

I think this is a disturbed area where the generators go in, so they're not proposing any disturbed area to that, but we would want to have that shown on the plan, certainly, so we could verify that.

Um the other item would be that they there's a mechanism where they could contest the prime wetland buffer, but because that's not just a local regulation, it's also a state regulation.

The mechanism to do that would be to hire uh a third-party wetland scientist for that would work on behalf of the town and verify the delineation that was done.

So to avoid that, I think the acknowledgement would be that no disturbance to the prime wetland buffer occur, and they would have to show that.

Uh there's a discrepancy between the the uh uh the FEMA map and the floodplain shown on on this plan.

That's not a typical, that's generally because they've got uh field work that they've done and they've located the elevation line, but we would still want that to be reviewed by our engineer to ensure that the elevation that they are relying on is the correct elevation line.

Um in terms of drainage and utilities, they're not really proposing any changes.

They did I did talk with them yesterday, and they said they are noticing some pooling in some areas, so they may add a catch basin, but uh you know, aside from that, they're not really proposing anything else.

Uh one of the comments that our senior engineer had was that he would want the uh he would want an erosion control plan, which is not included in this set to ensure that you know, during construction, that they're not uh particularly leaching anything into the into the prime wetland uh and wetland to the rear.

Uh in terms of elevations, they did provide some elevations.

They they are taking the existing um structure, which is kind of more residential in nature, probably conforms well to our 2011 design guidelines, and they're kind of making it more of a contemporary structure.

Uh you know, there's kind of there's kind of a uh few different uh precedents, right?

You could look across the street and you could look to uh what DeMulas did uh uh Tuscan Village, and that's uh certainly a more contemporary looking building, but then you could also look to the copper door, which is uh kind of more residential in nature, consistent with the bank.

Um so I did have some comments about the the elevations.

They did provide materials and colors uh again earlier today.

Uh they're proposed on some ethos and some uh kind of consistent colors.

I generally would probably like to weigh in on that a little bit closer.

Uh but you know that's something I think the board could could certainly discuss.

No changes to the driveways, it's gonna be an entrance only to the west uh as it exists today, full access to the to the rear, and they are going to maintain that one-way circulation uh to the to the back.

Um you talked about the sidewalk and the pedestrian pathway.

Uh we noted that the board can consider whether any off-site impacts are anticipated, particularly regarding noise, residential abutters have previously raised concerns about 24-hour operations on South Broadway.

I think the applicant's probably prepared to address that anyway.

Just thought it would be good to discuss.

Uh, believe it or not, there was a car wash not too far from this location that uh operated 24 hours, and uh we consistently received comments from uh the abutters uh on granite Av that they were concerned about about noise.

So I think it'd be good to uh have the applicant just address.

I imagine the ambulances probably don't run sirens uh you know late at night or something like that, so maybe there won't really be much noise at this anticipated.

Um impact fee, there is an impact fee for uh for public safety, but not for traffic.

The traffic really kind of offsets between the the small retail rate and the and the hospital rate, but the public safety impact fee, even after credit and the retail rate uh still comes out to a net of 11,781 dollars for public safety, and again that's after credit and the the existing retail rate.

Uh they did provide a trip generation memo.

They anticipate 272 daily trips, which is a reduction over the the retail uh rate, hence no impact fee.

Um the applicant has addressed a couple of these other items I had noted, set back to the canopy.

Uh lock coverage it was originally noted at 81%.

The applicant clarified that that is not correct, and that the app uh the existent I think is uh 57 in the proposed is 52.

Is that uh I think 53 to 52.

52 and 53, sorry, 53 existing, 52 now.

My ours aren't very good.

Um we provided the uh parking calculation, they're required to have 45 spaces that are providing greater than that, 47, so they're okay there.

Uh our our recently adopted master plan again, it encourages the development, redevelopment of older commercial properties.

So they certainly meet that, require combined access points, connector driveways, connected parking lots, other techniques reduced traffic congestion.

That's not really something that I've discussed with the applicant.

We did discuss it when the uh a button parcel came in for the um uh vape store or whatever.

We were trying to kind of get traffic off of 28, and uh I don't think it's probably necessarily pertinent for this application, but in the future is probably something we want to consider more so that we can have those secondary uh uh accesses, keep traffic off of 28, try to direct everybody to the signalized intersections.

Um improve pedestrian facilities and expanding sidewalks, they're certainly meeting that criteria.

Uh require compliance with the design guidelines, that would be one of the items that I would highlight again, and in terms of the elevations and the landscape and plan.

So one of the things I noted was that you know the applicant uh should continue the cherry trees to the north of the frontage.

I did discuss that with them yesterday.

Uh it's the same uh across all of 28, and I told the applicant that too.

Everybody uh wants more visibility along 28 and our design guidelines, and historically the planning board has wanted not necessarily the opposite, but that we've wanted to soften the uh you know the uh view shed, I guess, on 28.

So this is a uh street view from 2011, and you can see it really was accomplished at that time.

The I think right it was uh approved, you know, quite a bit before then, and now the uh vegetation matured.

We had this consistent row of uh shrub, evergreen shrubs that we generally like to see.

And um, you know, if you look at it today, I think what happened is the applicant wanted more visibility, so they removed the shrubs and they remove some of the trees, keep some of the trees over here.

So that was something I discussed with the applicant is you know, continue either continuing the trees consistent like we've required other applicants to do along the frontage and then supplementing them with shrubs, or you know, maybe a compromise where maybe you wouldn't have a mature tree uh closer to their sign, but you'd still have this kind of consistent row of shrubs uh to um you know obstruct the because right now really the prominent view is the parking lot and the vehicles in front of it.

Um so again, not to spend too much time on that, but wanted to address or bring your attention to that.

Um existing lighting is to remain, uh signage right now.

They've got the elevations that have been submitted, have a uh generic signage.

And uh I I met when I met with the applicant yesterday, I told them that would likely require conditional use permit.

Um so you know, recommendation would be that they either could take a look at that, submit the conditional use permit, or they could uh you know, kind of acknowledge that no conditional use permits been met, they need to comply with their sign ordinance, and they'd have to come in if uh if what they submit is not consistent.

Um I'd also would want that to be reviewed by the planning board um prior to issuing so the sign permit for consistency with our design guidelines.

Um public safety impact fee we already talked about in terms of uh other items, the title block location needed to be revised, the applicant has done that.

Upright ADA sign locations needed to be shown on the plan, the applicant has done that.

Uh they clarified the uh the Sarah detail was correct in a detail of the dumpster enclosure and the generator enclosure were needed.

Uh those were also provided again earlier today.

I do have you know uh I would like to, I guess, review those a little bit closer relative to their proposed elevations and our design guidelines.

I just haven't had a lot of time to delve into that.

Um that being said, um, you know, the initial recommendation was for the board to discuss it and then potentially continue the application.

Um I'd like to hear what your thoughts are.

I do have conditions if you'd like to move forward.

The only thing that's a little tricky here is that some of them are really design related, and um generally haven't really uh approved it can uh conditional on uh you know the the staff working with them through the design.

So really kind of I'd like you to weigh in on that, but that's the staff comments on this application.

Is it mostly the sign?

Uh no, I mean I I think so.

The the um materials we received today, and then uh the I have it here in that folder.

No the elevations were submitted but they didn't have materials and colors.

Okay.

So and to me again I'm not an architect but you know between the rendering and the elevations it wasn't entirely clear to me what the materials were um so that would be one of the things I mean if you if you're kind of comfortable with where they are with the elevations and the applicant is amenable to working with staff to kind of have them be a little bit more consistent with our design guidelines and I guess the their relief valve would always be to you know if if they think I'm crazy or something like that they could always come back to the planning board and say you know Jacob's asking us to do something we we're not interested in doing and um then you could be the ultimate you know arbiter of that the the scope of the project's not huge right it's uh I mean it's an existing site this the existing building maintaining primarily the same drainage and circulation so I don't think there's a great deal in harm in in taking that approach if the board doesn't have any significant concerns it's just a little unorthodox and and I think we would want the applicant to weigh in whether or not they're comfortable with working uh with staff through the design comments.

Did you fly here from Nashville?

Yeah we did want to come back it's a great place also I'll give you that but all right I prefer not to any members of the public like to speak on the plan uh the board's comments here Mr.

Hatch yeah if you don't mind Mr.

Chairman I got a few questions here.

Yeah are you expecting the town's ambulance services to you know like the fire department's amulets the stuff dropping off patients here uh primarily not dropping off patients it's more more so a pickup and take to a hospital situation so you're expecting this to be more of a walk in type thing nobody's arriving by ambulance correct so the ambulance yeah hi I really found Yak I'm a CEO at Parkland Medical Center so this would be a uh department of Parkland Medical Center so typically what we've seen we we we've done freestandings each day's done freestandings so typically what we see is we'll have ambulance drop off patients to be seen at uh the freestanding um I'd say we probably get one to two a day so it's not the volume is not high it's more of a walk-in facility but ambulances can drop off there and then if someone is to be admitted it doesn't necessarily have to go to Parkland just depending on where or what level of care is needed it can go to whatever facility kind of meets the needs.

I understand yeah I understand that I'm just looking up for I'd rather see my ambulance drive to you than drive to Methun and Lawrence well it's a lot less wear and tear for us.

Well absolutely and I think you know I've spent a lot of time um talking to Chief Lamere just to understand kind of what the impact is right they either are driving 20 minutes to Parkland right now or 20 minutes to Methuan or Lawrence and so I think this could be a really nice benefit for the town of Salem and for the people community of Salem just so you know I'm a New Hampshire native as well.

I like to try to keep our business here in New Hampshire and so I think this is going to be a really great um ad to the town of Salem.

Okay.

If you don't mind just staying I because they're all going to be related to your what you need.

The next one is um med flight any any type of med flight service that I mean what's the plan for that because I I project at some point you're probably gonna need that who knows when I have no idea what the fire department uses now.

I think they use the high school parking lot but I'm not really sure.

Yeah it would be the same so that's typically what they what we would do is med flight through whatever uh the town of Salem has already designated.

Yeah and I had two more here.

Okay.

And I remember at one point you all had the changeable copy sign that would used to be on a billboard.

Is you you trying to get a changeable copy sign for this facility too that says you know the wait times and stuff like that for your facility.

Um so I d I don't know the answer to that.

I think wait sign wait times or signage is kind of going away so I don't think so but I would I don't know if there's anything that you've had on there.

No.

Yeah so no okay and thank you my next question is for uh Jacob one of my concerns about um improving or adding more trees to this to the uh front of this we have a lot of these walk-in clinics now that are on 28 or at least a couple of them sure that some people complain about the hard to find and I'm thinking if we add more trees there in that area.

Even with that phone telling them where to go hey I'm telling you in front of the one on 28 that has like we're talking about science I mean my my parents we're talking about somebody that's looking for an emergency room in a panic.

We're talking about it.

I mean, my fear is we're talking about somebody that's looking for an emergency room in a panic.

Yeah, you and the board is granted conditional use permits for the visibility for other I certainly understand.

And I I when talking with the applicant, you know, they discussed potentially doing a row of shrubs.

They did have that.

Uh, you know, I just I I'd be interested to know what the boards is.

They also do have the obviously the right-aid sign that they they would be able to repurpose as well.

But um, you know, I would defer to the board on that one.

I think if they don't do the trees, they certainly uh ought to do the the low-line shrub shrubs, you know, that are this tall or something.

Yeah, okay.

Where that would be on the corner, I think is probably the most, you know, that's probably where they need the most visibility.

I'm not I I wouldn't want to propose to eliminate all trees along the front page.

No, no, no.

I I I just wanted to be able to, you know, when they're approaching it, they can I mean it's they can see it.

I don't want to hide the building.

That's all I got.

Yeah, thanks.

Yeah, Mr.

Sabah.

Yep.

So uh you you're saying that this is more like a hospital than it is an urgent care, right?

People go in there, it's like an emergency room, but it's a hospital.

Are you gonna have an imaging center, for example?

Are you gonna have blood uh those types of uh um services?

So there is imaging, so we'll have a 24-7 CT scanner, and we'll have X-ray capability, ultrasound, so anything, any of all of the kind of those basic level um there won't will not be an MRI machine, but typically MRIs are more on the outpatient basis.

Um and then blood products, yeah.

So if a patient needs blood products, we're able to give patients blood products as well.

So it's it's pretty much a and all of that would be 24-7.

24-7 with a physician.

Yeah, I think it's a good addition.

Yes, Ms.

To follow up on Mr.

Sabah's question.

Um so would there be what would be considered hazardous waste associated with this facility?

Always just because of the type of um like blood product, etc.

Um, so there will be some hazardous waste.

Um, but we we make sure that that we follow through with OSHA and we're compliant with all types of um pieces to that.

Oh, okay, good.

I you heard about a dumpster, so it was uh uh yeah, no, that will not so uh yeah, hazardous waste will not go into the dumpster.

We uh typically have a whole process that's uh regulated by the state.

We follow the state guidelines for that, and we make sure we get audits and inspections.

Okay, good and uh just want to follow up on uh on the support of the prime wetland buffer to do uh respect that once it's once it's trying.

Thank you.

Ms.

Iron?

I just want to say I think it's uh a great use of uh that existing building and the location, it's proximity to Tuskin and all the all the human uh lives that are right across the street there.

It's a great location for it and the signalings there and everything else.

So I'm in favor of it.

Yeah.

Mr.

Cross.

Um I think originally uh continuance was an order.

Uh Mr.

Lamfontain, the materials that you've received.

I I guess I'm gonna get to the question about approving or not and conditionally with you working with them on the design aspect of it.

Um I'm generally in favor of the applicant working with the planning department.

Uh and if they reach a point that they can't work with the planning department, they can escalate it.

But I I guess my question to you is what is your gut tell you after looking at some of the I I don't think it's that far off.

I mean it's certainly a more contemporary building.

If the board's comfortable with that aspect of it, you know, then I think that goes a long way.

And then it would just be maybe you know, kind of the the materials.

Uh right now I think it's a lot of ethos and then um you know the color palette just to make sure that it's a little it's more in keeping with our design guidelines and the uh the quality of uh development that we've seen recently.

But I don't think it would I don't think they're far off far off.

Um is the applicant what if the applicants could speak to that perhaps yeah I I don't want to speak out of turn, but I think we're certainly willing to obviously work through any changes that we need to make and um you know I don't I don't foresee any issues with you know making the changes that you were referencing there.

Yeah, I mean it's not like the wholesale redesign.

I mean one thing that I would have a quite a comment about is uh you know, right here I think they've got kind of these e fus false windows.

We generally be uh we've generally seen um you know spangial glaze and windows, uh which you know we saw that at BJ's and we saw that so kind of minor tweaks here and there, I think just to kind of be more consistent with uh you know what we've the quality of design that that the town has uh has seen.

Okay, yeah, I mean I'm I'm okay with uh with um uh not continuing the plan and and uh moving forward with the with a vote on it.

Um it it's it looks complete to me.

I'm okay with the elevations and uh I just I would like to see the landscaping enhanced to what was out there previously.

So if you're okay with that, um I mean I'm okay with uh uh taking a vote on the uh site plan.

So does the board have a sense, I guess, of the of Mr.

Hatch is coming.

So I mean uh closer to the intersection, are you okay with uh I don't think there's any issue seeing the sign from 28.

I'd rather see a restoration of the landscaping personally.

Tree hunting I well I my only comment on that is I think where the vape shop is.

I think the trees there have gotten pretty overgrown.

So if there was some thinning there, so as you're approaching, you're able to see it.

I think if you're able to do that, I think that that eliminates that.

And you're when you're coming from the other way, I don't I think you have a clear line of vision to it.

So I think it's really just traveling north on 28.

Yeah, they do have that giant red stripe at present.

I think they're proposing also right now to remove I think there are uh pear trees out front, the mature pear trees, and I think they're gonna remove those for cherry trees, which I think are lower drilling anyway, and you know, obviously if they're gonna remove the mature uh pear trees that exist, that'll enhance their visibility certainly temporarily temporarily until the trees mature, but the mature height I don't think is as tall as the peer as the pear trees.

And the main concern is screening the parking lot.

Right.

It's lower um yeah, uh lower height uh vegetation.

That's fine.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, Mr.

Lewis.

Anybody else?

I would just strongly encourage the applicant yields this time.

Uh just the advocate, just work closely with the planning department with regards to designs.

We've put a lot of faith in his opinion and kind of the direction of this.

So, you know, with these windows and things like that, just you know, absolutely working collaboratively.

And with some of the the the walkway that you did, I mean that's a that's a fantastic ad.

And um so just continue that path and work collaboratively, I think it'll be okay.

Thank you.

Sorry.

Jacob, go hard on the hard on the design issues, please.

Okay.

Count on you, man.

Anyone else on the board for continuing the plan?

No, I do not good.

No.

Okay.

That's fair.

All right.

Miss Can I do this?

Yeah, we want to have Jacob reads conditions into the record.

Uh we should now.

Unless you were just gonna go hard on the conditions, hey, no, condition one.

Go hard.

Uh prior to build in permit, I've got one submit staff approvals.

Uh that would all that would include in this instance uh the elevations relative to the design guidelines and the uh exterior uh uh generator enclosure and dumpster enclosure as well and landscape.

Um signs too.

Signs, yes.

Yep.

Uh and then two uh and add prime wetland buffer to plan and ensure buffers not disturbed.

Three, pay for outside inspections projection of engineering division.

That one might not be uh required, but I want to hold it there just in case Jim wants third party.

I I think he may not, but we'll do it as a uh cautionary.

Um under prior to occupancy, we've got uh I think we're on four now, uh, which is pay public safety impact fee of eleven thousand seven hundred and eighty-one dollars, and then uh four, sorry, five provide certified as built site plan.

Six construct all site improvements accordance with the approved plan, and then uh seven signage shall be approved by by plan and board prior to issuance of sign permit and shall comply with 490 702 unless a conditional use permit is granted and eight all representations made by applicant and or agents and all notes on the plan are incorporated as part of the approval.

Yeah, but still go do it now, right?

Okay, all right.

Mr.

Chairman, at this time I would move to approve the HCA health services of New Hampshire site plan, including the eight.

Um my god, yeah, conditions noted by Mr.

Lafontaine.

Second, thank you.

Uh motion the second to approve the HCA uh health site plan with the eight conditions noted.

Um further discussion on that.

Uh the Jacob, the sign uh if they have to come use for conditional use permitter um or you work with them on the sign if if you may not need to.

You know, I think they probably just kind of had the generic placeholders for emergency, and then uh they'll submit the formal application, and if it's determined that that doesn't meet our sign ordinance, then they would be directed.

It'll work with them on the site guidelines.

Absolutely, okay.

Sounds good.

Okay.

Uh any further discussion.

All those in favor.

Uh that's unanimous.

Great.

Thanks so much.

Thank you all.

Okay.

That's it for uh new business.

Just a quick question.

Yeah, of course.

Because of a medical facility like that, do they have exceptions as it relates to the sign standards?

Uh we don't make any exception for uh for medical facilities.

The board would have the discretion to you know to determine if it's warranted or not.

Uh we have seen that in past instances, as Mr.

Hash kind of alluded to.

There has been immediate care facilities that have come in and said because of this use we want more signage or you know, typically more signage, not larger.

Okay.

Thank you.

Uh do you have a couple of items of uh public matters that we can go into?

Um, just pull up the first one.

I think I'm gonna go with uh Mr.

Belco because I think that might be a little bit quicker.

Um so this was the approved plan.

You approved this plan.

Uh it was maybe 23 if I remember correctly.

But uh this was the site layout.

So I had this uh area that was going to protect the spaces.

There was a turnaround, um, and there was um spaces here, and then also there weren't any spaces on the front, small landscape embed.

Um I met with Mr.

Belco maybe about a month ago, we did a site visit, and there were some discrepancies, not a whole lot, but one being that um you know this this space here wasn't protected.

So he's added a concrete block, I guess, uh here to protect that space.

Um there was only three foot in width uh for landscape embed, and Mr.

Belko uh is more of an expert than I am, but three feet's not much to really plant uh uh too much in.

So that had been eliminated and the pavement goes to the building.

Uh to ensure that he maintained the 24 foot aisle width, uh he put these stripes at an angle, or these spaces are striped here at an angle.

Um they do have the ADA space here.

I can confirm that the uh sign is on the building, and there is a dumpster pad uh that has since been installed from the site visit that's in this location.

I think those were the main items on the checklist that um I had called out, and I can just take another look, but I think majority of the other items have been uh identified.

So it was the Cape Cod berm hadn't been installed and the spaces weren't protected.

So he is hasn't installed the Cape Cod berm, uh, but he's uh installed a concrete block.

Uh turnaround space not installed at the end of the row, so he has done uh done that.

The turnaround is now installed uh as of according to the as built.

And then the ADA space was relocated again and uh upright sign not installed.

I believe that's been addressed.

Uh row of parking added to the west of the building, so that shows here.

Uh and then landscaping.

So there were supposed to be three ink berries, two azaleas uh in this three-foot-wide mulch bed that wasn't done.

Uh pavement was added.

Uh Mr.

Belko's added uh uh planters in the front at the entrance.

Um dumpster enclosure not installed, he has since done that.

Building materials have differed, so I don't know if you've driven by the building, but it's slightly different than the approved elevations.

I don't personally have a great concern.

I think the building that came out pretty nice.

Uh Mr.

Belco did replace the uh the wall, the stone wall in the front, and he's also added some vegetation to it.

Uh so most of the you know, building at least the lower portion of the building is obstructed by that.

So you you know the benefit of having additional landscaping uh internal to the site really doesn't do much to the traveling public.

Um and then ADA tip down was uninstalled for the plan, it was relocated, and um I think once they do the final code of pavement, if they haven't already, then that that aspect would be addressed.

So I just wanted to bring this to the board's attention to see if you had any concerns with uh the change from the approved plan versus what has been constructed.

Uh one thing I do want to note is I don't see the parking space dimensions on here, so I would ask Meisner to to add the parking space dimensions.

You did an inspection when the after DAS builds were submitted to just confirm.

Uh I did an as built probably about a month ago.

This as built I think is dated September 5th, but I don't I think I've been out there.

Mr.

Belco might remember when I visited the site, but I I think that these modifications are more recent than that.

So I have not been out since this modified plan has been submitted.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, I don't really have any concerns.

Uh these all minor uh minor modifications and seems to be covered in the as build.

So Ms.

Natch.

The only question I got is that bridge.

Yeah, I did uh Mr.

Belco and I did speak about it.

Um, and I honestly I haven't gone out to visit um that specific area.

It is just off that on the other lot, or is that on this one?

It's just off this plan.

So it's um I believe in this area here, if I remember correctly, yeah, because you can see World's End Brook goes under um Lawrence Road in this location here.

Yeah.

So I think this is the area.

So I did discuss that with Mr.

Belko.

Um, and I think we need to have more discussions about that.

I think when Mr.

Belko and I discussed it, he said that uh there weren't really any modifications made in that area that he cleaned up.

The bridge was already there.

Uh I don't want to speak out of turn, I guess, but it's pretty interesting bridge there.

Uh so Mr.

Probably um so Mr.

Belko is in the audience, he said there was a pre-existent bridge there that was repaired, and there's still and there's still clear revenue stuff in pre-existing bridge.

Okay, and that so Mr.

Belko says there's clear remnants.

So we could we can work through that just for a bit.

Yeah, just I and it's not that I have that much of a problem with it.

I just wanted it to be on a plan somewhere.

Yeah, so I thought it was on this lot.

If it's not on this lot, let's make sure that's on the adjacent plan for the other lot next door.

Okay, yeah, and uh Mr.

Belka and I can work through that.

I'm because it looks good by the way.

Yeah, he's done a very nice job on the site.

Yep.

Um, so I will close this out with Mr.

Belco.

It sounds like the changes that have been made aren't of great concern.

I think I'd probably just ask Meisner Brem to show the parking space dimensions, and then uh sounds like you're okay with the uh with the concrete uh block protecting that space, uh, which is probably really one of the only remaining items that's outstanding.

Yep, I'm okay with the plan.

Yeah, close it out.

All right.

Thank you.

Um so this is two uh sorry, 354 Main Street.

Uh so sent to the board was a request from SFC engineering, and uh you'll know this was historically the location of uh Rockenham uh Toyota, and it was there by variance.

Uh Mr.

Flores did a pretty in-depth analysis of the file.

He looked and he discovered that in 1968 there it was a variance granted to construct an automobile an automobile sales and repair garage.

That variance was then uh amended in 1975 to construct a showroom and service area in the expansion of a non-conforming business variance granted in 94 to add a 15,000 square foot addition to the 25,000 square foot building, uh major renovation done in 95, and the uses that are proposed are uh new and used vehicle sales operation, uh vehicle repair and service utilizing existing 15 service space, and then a professional towing service and temporary vehicle storage, which is gonna be ancillary to the primary automotive use.

Uh as uh Mr.

Flores submitted a request for site plan exemption, and essentially uh the what is being alleged is that it's a continuation uh in use and that it doesn't warrant uh it doesn't meet the criteria in our site plan regulations uh to go for a full uh uh site plan review.

In terms of the changes that they're being proposed to the site over the previous plan, which was from 1994, so it's well out of date.

They are proposing probably the most maybe substantial one is to uh to enclose the back area, and that would kind of be the the auto yard for the uh the towing companies the way I understand it, and then also to provide access to these bays in the back to provide protected access.

So that notes that it's gonna be enclosed by a um chain link fence with uh white with sorry with vinyl privacy slats and barbed wire, and then they're also gonna add a dumpster location.

They're gonna restripe the parking lot.

I would tell you I visited the site earlier today, and it is not striped at all the way it uh originally was approved in 94.

Um and I just wanted to show you some photos from the site walk that I did and raise some of the concerns because again, I think I would be asking if the board is comfortable with site plan exemption to kind of let uh to you know let staff try to work on some of these items.

So this is the existing site.

I'm sure that everybody's familiar that it since uh you know Rockenham Toyota uh now Canaby Lake Toyota relocated to 28.

This parcel's kind of been underutilized, so you can see the vegetation on the front is uh and you know in pretty significant need of care.

Uh the sign is not doing great.

Uh again, existing vegetation well overgrown and not maintained.

Uh the applicant in the application has acknowledged that they're they're uh proposing to re-vegetate this area, uh repaint the building, I believe.

Um, you know, so kind of really bring it bring some life back into the building.

Another view of the building.

This is to the uh directionally, I think that would be to the west, is that right?

Or east maybe to the east.

Um, and this is where the vehicle display would be.

Um this would be where the kind of the auto yard would be enclosed with a six-foot fence.

Uh one of the things I'd kind of want to work with them through is that right now there's kind of some mature vegetation on this slope.

I don't know if the proposal is to remove that, but you know, before the vegetation grew up, uh there is a pretty good line of sight but between um Main Street and the back of this site.

Uh so either I'd would like to work with them, I guess, to either maintain the vegetation or maybe replant, re-vegetate that area.

Um of the things that I I don't think I'd want to make a determination on right now is the sign and their application.

They talk about repurposing the existing sign.

This sign is well out of compliance with our uh our guidelines or our regulations for the business office 2 district.

Uh I believe it looks to be well over 15 feet tall and well greater than 32 square feet.

Um so that's something I'd want to just look at a little bit closer because there is a provision in our ordinance that says uh you know that that if a sign is abandoned for more than 180 days or more, rather, and if the sign advertises or calls attention to any products, business, or activities which have not occurred uh or been sold on the premises for the past six months, then you essentially kind of lose your non-conformity.

So that'd be something I'd want to look at a little bit closer.

Um but aside from that, I I wanted to bring this to you.

Uh they did I think a pretty thorough job uh submitting a site plan exemption request and outlining the improvements, remove overgrown vegetations, clear overgrown uh brush along rear of building, general debris removal and site cleanup.

It's a pretty uh busy site.

When I I drove around the back of it in the town car, and the town car already is not doing that good, so I was a little nervous when I brought it back there.

Uh, just case I pop a tire or something.

Professional landscaping to restore curb appeal, plant new grass in disturbed areas, repair deteriorated pavement, repaint all parking, lot striping, no increase in impervious surface, install six-foot chain length fence, uh security fence and privacy slats, barbed wire to create an enclosure from the back, secure professional appearance, uh restore and repair the existing freestanding sign.

So that was again the question I I highlighted on the signage.

Um build an exterior, repair and paint, build an exterior as needed, service bay, door maintenance and repair, window cleaning and minor repairs, restore professional appearance.

Um no new construction of or building expansion, no new curb cuts or driveways, no new access points from 97, no increase in impervious surface, use all existing infrastructure, no modification to existing utilities, site improvements limited to clean up landscaping and minor repairs.

Okay.

Um has car repair been done on this since I mean, as far as I can tell driving by this basically every day, that it's a storage facility for cars.

Have car repairs actually been performed on this site.

Is it continuous use or is it in storage?

Well, uh, I that was my initial question too, but I think because they have the variance, the variance runs with the land.

So if it would my initial thought was that it was pre-existent, non-conforming because I wasn't here in 1968.

Um, given the fact that they have variants and they've modified those variances.

One thing that I I would be transparent that I haven't done yet is I'd I'd like to just you know look at those variants and see if there were any stipulations that were incorporated with them, and then also the prior plans.

So I mean if you were to be comfortable with the site plan exemption I think it would kind of be subject to a you know staff approval and and and uh not just necessarily me but I did discuss briefly with fire engineering and and health because they're on a septic system just to see if there are any concerns there.

They didn't have comments readily available but those would kind of be the staff items of the generally I don't I don't have an issue with this moving from the site on low road to here or is he going to keep them both I don't know Mr so always butcher your last name.

Yeah if you because I'm gonna butcher your last name I'm sorry.

Hi Steve D'Angicus um so we do have uh an intention to move over there eventually um it will be a process you know as we do build out but we will be over there eventually so a couple of things that I would like to keep in mind when you work this out with Jacob is one a travel lane um needs to be so we don't have either have a travel lane all the way around the building or we're gonna have to make you put in a turnaround spot for the fire truck in the back of the building.

So the fence needs to be gated on both sides of the fence will be gated on both sides.

Yeah.

And um that you don't end up encroaching anymore to the wetland there that's to the west of that parking lot that's on the front that sometimes gets flooded.

Um other than that I know because of the I know the nature of business sometimes the cars that you tow in are damaged if we keep those right can't see them from Route 97.

Yep.

I'll be a very happy guy.

Yeah that's the plan.

We will definitely keep the cars.

So whether you gotta get the chain link fence with the slats in them or whatever that hides that direct view.

I other than that this the it's the same as the old use to me so yeah Mr Sava.

So just just to clarify um so the sign is going to be more conforming to to what the regulations are you going to condition I guess the the only thing I'm suggesting is that I they've proposed to repurpose the existing sign.

And all I say all I'm saying is that I want to take a little bit closer look at that because I don't think I think if you look at our ordinance I I don't think that that sign would continue to be permitted because it's greater than 32 square feet greater than 15 feet in height.

They would have a mechanism to retain it given the ordinance and that would be a conditional use permit so they could come to the board for a conditional use permit for the free stand and sign.

But I just I think if they were to submit a sign permit that would probably be the flag that I would raise or if we found a variance for it somewhere.

Or if we found it yes you're right.

So the other question um that I have is you you tow you can have a towing company there also cars will be towed there.

Excuse me so you're gonna cook bring the cars there and tow them in the back.

That's correct.

Yep.

Not in this facility and nowhere in Salem but I have an experience with um operations like that turning into junkyards basically.

Is there any regulation that says that a car towed to the facility must exit the facility within X amount of days Jacob that's for you.

I don't think there's anything in in the ordinance I mean I'd like to I guess there's probably there's probably regulations that regulate you know I'm sure there's a state RSA that defines that a second so um that's a valid question but quite honestly the it becomes an issue of space and cars have to turn over so we can't keep them there for extended period of time.

The last thing we want to turn into is a junkyard.

Exactly but I have seen it in the past and it's it's it's a high visibility property you know and and I just don't I want to have some kind of an assurance that that's not going to happen.

Cars aren't going to go there and five years later they're still there.

They've stripped it or they've done whatever and there's just junk everywhere.

Yeah.

That's a that's a fair question.

But like I like I mentioned um it's it becomes an issue of space.

So and I can I can understand your concerns but you know I've I grew up a mile down the street from this property and uh I've been a lifelong Salem resident and I want to see that property as the gateway from Methuan into Salem.

Make sure that uh it's built out in a way that's a reflection of the town not a junkyard.

I I wouldn't be going into a property like that.

So if you have a problem than uh stating you can't tell them how to run a business.

You can't tell them how to he can't how long he can keep the car on his property.

It'd probably be a better uh question for the health officer because he's the one who kind of monitors the you know the salvage yards that we have in the community.

But in their application, they do say temporary vehicle storage.

I could get a better understanding for Mr.

Locker, just you know that would I'd be fine with that.

But I think he would be the one who really oversees those type of activities.

And to the applicant's point, the topography of that land back there is sloped up pretty good.

So he's not gonna be able to stack up cars and cars and cars and leave them there forever and ever remember.

I mean, that's not the nature of his business.

And it's not his nature of his businesses, you know, repo and cars and the bank sells them and then he's done with them.

That's right.

So I think they're there for a short amount of time before they get taken away.

Thank you.

Um then last thing, Mr.

Lafontaine.

The um are there any special considerations that we should think about with regards to now there's a residential the residential development?

No, a three next door.

Uh yeah, it's it's slightly it's maybe operating hours, um noise, anything.

I don't know if the applicants proposed operating hours on the plan.

I don't think so.

But we could we again we could look at the prior uh approvals too and just see if they're subject to any limitations on that.

Um I think you're referring to 380 Main Street, which is that's pretty weak, slightly far removed.

There's a couple of large uh single family residents in between, although there are residential abutters uh to the south and to the to the east uh at this property, maybe to the west as well.

Okay.

Um but yeah, we we certainly could look at that.

I mean if if the board's okay with I guess kind of the use and the modifications, I think at the staff level we could work through it.

I know fire, as Mr.

Hash kind of indicated, is gonna want travel lanes.

Um, you know, I'll probably be the you know the bug about uh you know aesthetics and you know, one of the comments I kind of thought was you know, rather than chain link along the frontage, is there a way to maybe look at you know a fence that might be a little bit more in keeping with uh the streetscape we're trying to form along Main Street, but uh you know again it I think it'd be kind of if you're comfortable with the staff working through these items, then you know we could return if there's like an impasse, which I assume won't happen.

But I'm okay.

I looking at the overhead, I thought that that was 380 main that was next to it, but it's yeah, it's a little down.

Yeah, it's a little different.

Yeah, this is three, yeah, 354.

Sorry.

All right.

And one more again he's in the repossession business, so we would there's going to be some times when they're gonna those tow trucks are gonna enter that property probably after hours.

And I mean, you hook up to a car and you tow a car when you can find it.

You know, because these people hide these cars and you have to go hunting for them.

So sometimes you find them at night, sometimes you find them during the day, sometimes you find them in Boston or wherever.

So it's it's you know, it's just like any other towing company that used to be across the street, they had 24-hour towing.

It's just basically the nature of the beast.

I just wanted to read into the record because I asked a question.

Do we need to vote up to exempt the site plan?

It sounds like from the variances, the use is a cover.

No, I think I think we just would need your consensus um, you know, on whether or not this meets the criteria for the site plan exemption, and then I would just ask for you to allow us to uh work with them on you know the landscape plan and and uh other items that police uh not police, but fire assign.

Yeah, um and I just wanted to note that uh I did ask the question about the tow vehicles because that was the question I wasn't sure if it was distinct, but of course they have car carriers that used to drop vehicles off.

So in response to that question, it said uh uh NEAB recovery operates at four locations in New England, and that most tow trucks go home with the driver.

We anticipate typical any A B use of this site to be short-term car storage and a flatbed truck on site that works with the uh the police department.

So that was kind of the response to that item.

So yeah, I'm okay exempting the site plan because it's uh it seems like all the uses of incarnate kind uh um from the variances.

So we'll work with the applicant.

Okay with it.

Okay, good okay.

We'll work with a applicant to kind of finalize uh a plan and then I won't really sign it, but I think we would be just right, you know, planner board okay uh test plan.

Okay.

Thank you for cleaning up that site.

Thank you.

I appreciate it.

Welcome the opportunity.

Thanks.

Um let's see what else.

So Belka, we talked about I've got um a site plan extension uh for 42 Main Street.

I don't know if my link's gonna work.

So you approved a funeral home.

I think it was in September of 2023.

So this is the existing garage, and they were gonna demolish that and then construct a uh three thousand square foot garage.

That was there by variance for setbacks.

I believe the variance is vested because of the um because of the site plan that you approved, but the site plan has since lapsed.

They applied for a uh demo permit and then never uh move forward with it.

So there's just an extension on the garage.

Uh it would be an extension for the garage.

It's a detached garage for the funeral home.

Yeah.

Um I'm okay with that.

I don't you know we already approved it.

So even though Mr.

Collins didn't come in to talk about it personally, you're okay with it?

Yeah, okay.

We we generally advise applicants.

We had a lengthy hearing on this one little garage, believe me, I'm okay with it.

Yeah.

Yeah, no, we generally tell Mr.

Collins.

Yeah.

Applicants that they are welcome but not obligated to attend items under public matters.

I do my best to answer.

But um so this was the garage, these are the elevations of the garage.

And uh still gonna be the same.

Everything else is is the same.

It was just the fact that the site plan has lapsed.

Uh it was approved in September of twenty twenty-three.

It lapsed in September of twenty-four.

Um so I guess maybe it would are you amenable to granting a one year extension.

I guess we would go from um September of uh this year to September of twenty twenty-six.

Well, I guess two year extension.

Yeah, I would cover it.

Okay, so you're comfortable with a two-year site plan extension.

Yeah, so we'll make a motion to do that.

So motion a second to uh extend grant a two-year extension for the 42 Main Street garage site plan.

Oh discussion.

All those in favor?

Okay.

That's unanimous.

Okay.

Extension granted.

Thank you.

Do you want me to pull it up?

Sorry.

Okay.

All right.

I'd get one more for you and then Creighton's gonna talk about uh the uh transportation survey.

This one I don't think you really I imagine you don't probably care too much about.

Uh this was uh stairwell.

Uh this is 25 key Wade and Drive, so at the very end of Key Wade and Drive, uh new commercial or new office building.

And at one point in time there was a pedestrian pathway that seemed like a pretty good idea to connect uh the building here, which I think is 21 to the building here at 25.

And that pedestrian pathway uh through the site plan review process, I think was eliminated.

Uh and now they have kind of a stairwell stairway, exterior stairway that doesn't go anywhere.

I assume you're fine with that being removed from the plan.

I don't have any issues.

Okay, are you okay with it?

Sounds like a stairway to it.

Yeah, I mean it if it if the I thought the path was a good idea, but if the path's not going in, then no point to put a stairwell down the air stairway.

Um and I think that's it.

Craig, I'll turn it over to you.

Oh more.

More discourse.

Craight, are you not a football fan?

Is that what I'll make this quick?

Jacob, could you pull up the town website?

So I work with the economic development committee and uh they've worked hard to put together a Salem transportation survey on the website.

If you scroll down to the news flash uh on the left-hand side there, it's about four items down.

It's called the Salem Commuter Consensus Survey.

Um this is also on the town Facebook, but it's uh uh a few questions uh for residents regarding uh public transportation in town, uh particularly uh their interest and uh availability of different transportation op options, including uh maybe additional bus services or what what uh residents are aware of where they travel to.

Um so they kind of wanted to get that information uh just to to have that related to economic development and potential uh public transportation options.

So uh just wanted to know.

Thank you, board.

How long does that run for?

Uh through the early December.

Oh, so that's Jacob.

Can you make a note to mention that for each board meeting that we have until it's done?

Uh absolutely and I'll uh I'll share this link with uh because so many people are watching.

I hope so.

I hope so.

Oh, actually before we break, I do have one more thing I wanted to ask you.

Okay.

Uh traditionally we haven't met on the second Tuesday in December because it generally falls really close to Christmas.

Do you want to hold that date on it's December 23rd or do you want to cancel it?

I think up to the board.

You've canceled the last at least two years, I think.

Yeah, we'll cancel it.

Yeah.

Oh, I appreciate that.

You work so hard for this town.

You spend nights here all day, and then you spend nights with two kids at home.

Yes, we'll take that one off.

Appreciate that, yeah.

Creighton's here voluntarily, you know.

And a licky has kids though, so it doesn't count.

Yeah.

Uh that's all I have.

Thank you.

Oh motion we adjourned of information.

Please.

Did the auto zone uh request go through?

No, it was continued.

Yeah, they'll likely return to the December 9th uh agenda.

Yeah, so it's well I'm not yeah, you're right.

It was not continued, it was not heard, it was withdrawn, and they're gonna work through um third-party consultants.

They wouldn't be able to return for the November 25th meeting.

The earliest they would be on an agenda is December 9th, and and speaking with the uh engineer, that's the targeted date, December 9th.

Okay.

Okay.

Now how would I have known that?

Uh at the beginning of the meeting, so we always notice the agenda for four item or for four meetings.

And at the beginning of the meeting, we acknowledge that they had withdrawn, and then I uh publicly stated that they're likely to anticip uh we anticipate they'll return on December 9th.

If they go beyond December 9th, you'll be renotified as an abutter.

So I should have been here earlier then.

Uh for what it's worth, we all found out right that just at the beginning of the meeting as well.

So gentlemen, thank you very much.

Thank you.

I hope you enjoyed the program.

See on the ninth.

Motion to adjourn.

Second.

Okay.

All those in favor.

Yes.