It is 9 05.

Let's call the Wednesday, December 17th Planning Commission meeting to order.

Would staff please do a roll call.

Commissioner Sanchez.

Commissioner Lopez.

Commissioner Ulit.

Here.

Commissioner Bustamante.

Here.

Commissioner Siegel.

Here.

Chair Peck.

Here.

McCorm is present.

Great.

Thank you.

Can we have the Spanish English interpreter, please?

Thank you.

Thank you.

All right.

Today we're going to have two agendas.

We're going to have the uh combined hearing agenda.

Anything on the combined hearing agenda.

And no one in the audience has signed up to speak on the item.

All case will be read into the record in one unified motion.

If someone is signed up to speak on an item, it will be moved to individual hearing agenda.

Second agenda is the individual hearing agenda.

Cases on the individual hearing agenda will be considered separately before the commission takes any action.

All right.

So what I have right now is we have absolutely nobody signed up to speak for this meeting.

So right now item everything except for items 18 and 20.

That is correct.

Awesome.

At this point, I'm going to ask Commissioner Bustamante to leave the meeting.

He's recusing from items 2, 3, 5, 9, and 10.

All right.

He is gone.

So it is 907.

Commissioner Bustamante has left the meeting.

We'll uh have any discussion or entertain a motion for the combined hearing agenda.

I move to approve the combined hearing agenda.

We have a commotion by we have a motion for approval by Commissioner Siegel and the second was Commissioner Sanchez.

All right.

Staff please do a roll call vote.

Commissioner Siegel.

Yes.

Commissioner Sanchez?

Yes.

Commissioner Lopez.

Commissioner Ulett.

Yes.

Chair Peck?

Yes.

Motion passes for approval.

Thank you.

Item 18.

It is 908 and Commissioner Monte re-entered the meeting.

Okay.

Good morning.

Bronte Freire Planner with Development Services.

Item number 18 is a request for approval of a resolution to amend the downtown area regional center plan from urban low density residential to medium density residential located on 141 Castillo Avenue.

There are 42 notices and zero in favor, two opposed.

Roosevelt Park and Neighborhood Associations in support.

Uh is requested to for uses permitted for six dwelling units.

Staff finds the proposed land use classification inconsistent with the block.

Staff recommends denial.

Thank you.

Would the applicant like to address the commission?

Good morning.

Uh Ricardo Torriat is representing the owner.

Can you state your address for the record also?

10446 Troy.

Sorry, it's early in the morning.

Um we we um were here yesterday for uh zoning and um uh got approval.

We we submitted this application I would say two months ago.

We uh work with the neighborhood association, um canvas the neighborhood, uh left notifications and also walked the property with the neighborhood president and vice president last Saturday.

Um they were just they were they wanted to kind of peek in there and and make sure that the units that were proposing um were adequate.

This I I want to clarify that the we are not adding it, these six units are existing.

So uh the actual property has been, you know, was vacated kind of like around to 2020 with the intent of being renovated, but then COVID hit.

So now we're finally getting to it.

Um this whole thing came about the renovation, and when we try to pull some permits, the city mentioned that because we had had CPS uh off for more than 90 days.

We we had to come back uh and get this basically you know rezoned, properly rezoned for the six units that are there.

Um yeah, we you know we we work with uh neighborhood president and and um we're uh we appreciate their support.

Okay, thank you very much.

All right, we'll move on to Commissioner questions.

We'll start with Commissioner Sanchez No questions.

Commissioner Siegel.

Uh good morning.

So um do I understand correctly that the six dwelling units are already existent within the structure?

Yes, ma'am.

Okay.

And um are they going to be um well they're all just contained within the house, right?

Yes, ma'am.

Okay.

Um and there's no plans to expand to a larger building or additional building?

No, ma'am.

It's IDZ, uh it's site specific, unit specific.

You know, we're uh one of the bigger items that the um neighborhood association uh requested was parking, and you know, we we made sure included that in the uh uh IDZ site plan.

Okay.

Um I think that this represents uh uh perfect example of what's called missing middle housing.

Yes, ma'am.

And um I think that I will be supporting this item.

Thank you.

Commissioner Ulett.

All right.

Uh first I have to give my usual disclaimer.

I live in Roosevelt Park and I am a member of the Roosevelt Park Neighborhood Association board.

However, I take no part in discussion of zoning or planning related matters, so I can sit here.

Um that being said, uh I don't really have any questions as we heard this case yesterday.

Uh this used to be the street I live on.

I now live two blocks away.

Um I have walked this neighborhood repeatedly, and although depending on how you define the block face, I think there are other five and six unit uh issues.

I think this is an appropriate use.

I think it preserves uh what I think you know had been a grand old house.

I hope it one day will be a grand old house again, maybe even single family.

Um, but I think this use is appropriate.

I support this plan amendment to allow this missing middle as uh Commissioner Siegel put it, uh housing available for this neighborhood.

It's a good entry to our neighborhood for future residents.

So I will support it.

Okay, thank you.

I don't have any further questions, but just like to echo Commissioner Siegel and Commissioner Bustamante's comments about the missing middle housing.

And uh I was thinking the same thing, Commissioner Bustamante about the the house itself.

It looks it's a pretty amazing structure.

So yeah, preserved.

So is there any other questions?

We'll entertain a motion.

Uh it is 914 and Commissioner Orion has joined the meeting.

I move to approve the applicant's request.

Motion for approval by Commissioner Siegel.

Second.

Second by Commissioner Bustamante.

Staff, please do a roll call vote.

Commissioner Siegel?

Yes.

Commissioner Bustamante.

Commissioner Sanchez.

Yes.

Commissioner Lopez.

Yes.

Commissioner Ulett.

Yes.

Commissioner Orion.

Abstain.

Um Chair Peck.

Yes.

Motion passes for approval.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Item 20.

Good afternoon, Commissioners at Ada Gomez is senior planner with development services.

Item number 20 is the request for approval of resolution to amend the near Northwest plan neighborhood from neighborhood commercial to regional commercial located generally at 1416 West Hildebrand Avenue.

There were 36 notices mailed, one in favor, zero opposed.

The Keystone, Los Angeles Heights, San Antonio, Texas District 1 Association, Neighborhood Associations did not provide a response.

The proposed plan amendment from neighborhood commercial to regional commercial is a request to rezone the property to C3, General Commercial District.

The subject property is located within residential and commercial uses, aligning with the intended location for neighborhood commercial properties.

Although they are established higher intensity intense commercial uses operations adjacent to the site, nearby single family homes could be more sensitive to potential impacts of higher intensity commercial uses.

Staff is recommending denial.

It is worth noting this case got a recommendation of approval from zoning commission yesterday, and they amended the request to C3NA.

Applicant is here to answer any questions.

Thank you.

The applicant would like to address the Commission.

Hello, my name is Arman Rafsa.

I'm speaking on behalf of Majid and the subject property 1416 West Hildebrand.

Like you said yesterday it was approved, and uh moving forward, we're I'm looking at making this into a motorcycle retail location.

Um so that's why I'm looking for the zoning.

I agreed to the NA yesterday because I I'd have no interest in alcohol sales and it was something that they were interested in.

So is that it?

That's it.

Okay.

Uh nobody signed up to speak, so we'll start with Commissioner questions.

We'll start on the left with Commissioner Bustamante.

No questions.

No questions.

No questions.

No questions.

Commissioner Sanchez.

No questions.

I don't have any uh questions, but um just a general comment.

Personally, um the um uh regional commercial on this small of a parcel and in its location to me is a no-go.

Um I understand what you are trying to do, and and that's great, but the regional commercial just doesn't fit.

Um and mainly from the standpoint that we get a lot of these where somebody is requesting regional commercial on a small tract in an area that is not suitable for regional commercial, and um I don't do not want to set a precedence for approval of those kinds of things because the regional commercial just is not a good fit uh for the area.

So that's my viewpoint on the subject.

Um other questions.

Move on to uh motion once.

I move for approval.

We have a motion by Commissioner Commissioner Bustamante for approval.

Second.

Second by was it Commissioner Lopez?

Yes.

Staff, please do a roll call vote.

Commissioner Bustamante?

Aye.

Commissioner Lopez.

Commissioner Sanchez.

Yes.

Commissioner Ulit.

No.

Commissioner Orion?

Yes.

Commissioner Siegel?

No.

Commissioner Peck?

No.

Motion fails.

Okay.

We need a uh another motion.

Anyone that had recommended or voted in denial, you could make a motion for reconsideration.

Anyone if it sits, it will be continued to the next meeting.

Got it.

So someone that made a motion for denial could make a motion for reconsideration.

Who voted deny against the original motion can put in a motion for reconsideration?

So that you could hear that same vote again.

I'll move to reconsider the vote.

So procedurally, we will have a motion whether or not to reconsider.

And if that is approved, then we will have a motion on that same approval again.

Okay.

So we have a motion on the table for a reconsider.

We need a second.

Second.

We have a motion and we have a second to reconsider the motion by Commissioner Oulette.

Original motion was Commissioner Siegel.

Staff please do a roll call vote.

And an eye on this is just to consider the motion again.

Commissioner Siegel.

Yes.

Commissioner Let.

Yes.

Commissioner Sanchez.

Yes.

Commissioner Lopez.

Commissioner Orion?

Yes.

Commissioner Bustamante.

Yes.

Chair Peck?

Yes.

Motion passes for reconsideration.

Thank you.

So now we need another motion on the table.

For recon for whatever.

Yes.

Chair, is it possible to hear any input from what happened at Zoning Commission yesterday?

We certainly can.

So their original request is for C three.

They are I wish we could can you all access the zoning map online?

The one stop map?

I don't know.

Anyways, um they're requesting C3.

It is an existing C2 property.

This is a long sorry.

This is a long Hildebrand, which is a arterial section of the road.

There is a lot of commercial uses along this street, and the applicant is requesting to do a motorcycle sales.

And so that's why they're requesting that C3 just for the because motorcycle sales falls under motor vehicle sales.

Now there are other C3s along the property along with C2s.

That's why Zoning Commission, I think well, I can't answer on their behalf.

But anyways, the amend they amended to do C3NA to remove any use or alcohol sales uses, removing any bars or nightclub uses.

And um so that is basically what was disgusted.

Is there is is there any um is there any alternatives like a C2 conditional use or is there is there anything any other avenue to accomplish this goal?

Yeah, I I believe yesterday, and I'll uh we can ask the applicant to speak to it.

I believe there was mention of wanting to operate kind of a motorcycle showroom, motorcycle shop.

And if that's the intended use, that can certainly be achieved with a C2 with conditional use, but can you speak to the commission a little bit more about what you intend to do with the property?

Um yeah, that's that's pretty much uh the sum of it.

I was looking at doing some sales and the showroom.

So it was from my understanding that C3 would be the best designation to accomplish that.

And so is is there any alternative for this board other than what is being asked for where he could accomplish a C2 C D take they the Yes.

Um so definitely their neighborhood commercial right now, which would permit up to a base zone of C1.

And then so typically you would have to look at um so they're asking for a regional commercial which allows C3.

So the middle ground, I believe is um the the alternative would be that you uh they could try to rezone the property to C1 with conditional use for that motorcycle shop.

You can condition those uses down into the C1 district.

I believe the other option I need to confirm, but if the middle ground could be a community commercial, which doesn't have the regional commercial of connotations of size, um, but it would allow a C2 based zone, just not the C3 based zone.

Okay.

So if it if there's no objection, I'd like to move to uh approve with a community commercial it would not.

And staff, this is a question to you, I suppose.

Mr.

Chair, if I might if I may.

Absolutely.

Thank you.

So given that zoning approved the C3NA yesterday, that's community commercial would not be available because the maximum zoning allowable under community commercial would be C2.

Correct.

But if the applicant were to go forward to City Council with the community commercial in hand from this body and the C3NA from the zoning, council could agree with the planning commission's community commercial and change the zonings to C2 with conditional use for motor vehicle sales and allow you to go forward on that basis.

Correct.

So a question of that, because the conditional use requires a site plan, does it have to go back to zoning or could they go straight to council?

Um no.

It seems as though I meant we couldn't uh for zoning commission to make a vote on it, yes, they would need to review a site plan.

That's why they um voted on the C3NA, but the applicant could amend down to a C2 C D to stay aligned with that community commercial that you guys could potentially recommend.

And obviously, if city council can vote on that with that site plan.

Well then I my motion stands in.

Okay.

And and you would have to get a site plan before city council.

We we would work with the applicant to develop a site plan.

So this is a little confusing.

So if the motion prevails and the planning commission supports a community commercial, the applicant would then have a choice.

You can proceed to council with the original request.

Refusal to prepare a site plan would mean council could not approve that item because it's effectively an incomplete application.

Our recommendation would be that we work with the applicant, develop a site plan as an alternative.

Council would retain the authority to amend to regional commercial with the C3NA or to accept a community commercial with the site plan on a C2 CD.

So we would work with the applicant to have a host of options available when it went to council.

Given that motion, I second.

Okay.

We have a motion on the table to uh um change the land use to community commercial by Commissioner Orion.

And we have a second by Commissioner Bustamante.

Would staff please do a roll call vote?

Commissioner Orion?

Yes.

Commissioner Bustamante.

Commissioner Sanchez.

I'm sorry.

Commissioner Sanchez, can you repeat that?

Or give a thumbs up or thumbs down.

Thumbs up.

Commissioner Lopez?

Commissioner Ulit.

Yes.

Commissioner Siegel?

Yes.

Commissioner uh ChairPEC?

Yes.

Motion passes for as amended.

For approval as amended.

Great.

Thank you.

Thank you for your time.

Okay.

I believe that is everything on the agenda.

Minutes have been approved on consent.

Is there anything else from staff directors' report or anything like that?

Just a real quick announcement for the record.

We will be scheduling a special hearing on January 16th for the consideration of the uh municipal utility district that was on your work session today.

That will kick off at 9 a.m.

So we'll get that uh calendar invite out to you.

Uh and then just want to say I I think it will be uh almost a month before we see most of you again.

So I hope everyone here has a safe and restful, peaceful holidays.

If you are traveling, good luck with the airports and we'll pick it up next year.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Merry Christmas to you guys too.

Um one last thing.

Umce we were missing several commissioners today, they weren't part of the discussion on the special meeting.

When you send out I would recommend instead of sending a calendar invite, you send an email beforehand or attached to it or something that says that describes the situation.

Because they're going to be like, what the hell is this?

Yeah.

We'll we'll um we'll we'll do one better than that.

We'll place some phone calls to every member that wasn't able to make it to the code.

I figured you would, but I just wanted to say that because I yeah.

And that way people can block their calendars because we don't need that being uh you know perfect.

Thank you guys for all your help throughout the year.

Have a Merry Christmas and a happy new year.

Thanks so much.

It is 9 28 and we are adjourned.