Good afternoon, everyone.

Time is down 3 p.m.

I'd like to call to order this historic design review commission meeting for Wednesday April 15, 2026.

May I have a roll call, please?

Mammon.

Present.

Savino, here.

Velasquez?

Here.

Galloway Mazooka.

Here.

Givada.

Here.

Group.

Here.

Holland.

Fetzer?

Here.

And Gibbs.

Here.

We have a quorum.

Thank you.

May I have translation services, please?

Good afternoon.

Buenas tardes.

Thank you.

The Historic and Design Review Commission is an advisory board appointed by the City Council.

I am J.

Maurice Gibbs, Chairman, and the Vice Chair is Jeffrey Fetzer.

It is the function of the Commission to advise the city manager and all relevant city departments concerning all applications for permits for properties in historic districts for landmarks on city property in a river improvement overlay and for demolitionists.

And considering whether to recommend approval or disapproval of an item four certificate or appropriateness, the um commission shall be guided by the city's unified development code and design guidelines and standards that have been adopted by city council.

An appeal of a decision by administrative official can be filed in accordance with the city's unified development code.

If anyone present wishes to speak in favor or in opposition to any item on today's agenda, please sign up on a public comment sheet.

It is not necessary to sign up if you are the owner of or representative for a project on the agenda.

You will be called on as the case is called.

Case representatives will be given no more than 15 minutes to present their case with an additional two minutes to respond to public comments.

Speakers for or opposed to a case will be limited to two minutes each.

Speakers may also sign up to yield their two minutes to another speaker who is signed up.

Anyone who is yielding their time must be present at the time the speaker is called upon.

Speakers will be called upon in the order in which they are signed up.

Following public testimony, any commissioner may call upon any speaker to respond to further questions.

Approval by the commission does not take the place of any type of permit.

Permits must be attained for all work.

Certificates of appropriateness for work approved by the commission will be emailed to you within 10 days.

No work of any type is to be started without obtaining the appropriate city permits after a certificate of proprietors has been issued by the Office of Historic Preservation.

At this time, please silence your cell phones.

Good afternoon, everyone.

Thank you for being here.

And so those are all really uh great ways to engage in preservation here locally.

So we encourage you all to check out that calendar of events.

Um and then earlier this week the city clerk um announced an update to the way that uh the boards and commissions that uh meet here in this room would receive voicemail comments moving forward.

Um so we did suspend uh uh record playing recordings of voicemails.

Um but what we will be doing moving forward is you all have a folder on your desktops that contains letters that we got prior to the hearing.

We will begin to include transcripts of voicemails received, and so we're gonna continue to use that same phone number um to receive voicemails.

Um we will use the technology available.

Um there's it's gonna be automated eventually, but you will have access to a special folder where you will have um access to voicemails in advance of the hearing.

So you'll be able to read those transcripts and get that information as part of the public hearing process.

We will we'll just not be playing them here.

Um so I just wanted to provide that update for you all in the public.

Um we do have just note on the agenda um a few voicemails that were received, and so those should be in your folders today, as well as a few letters as well.

Um so at this time uh we can take action on meeting minutes from April 1st.

Mr.

Chairman, I move for approval of the HCRC meeting minutes from April 1st, 2026.

Second.

It's been moved in properly second.

Is there any further discussion?

May I have a roll call, please?

Mammon.

Aye.

Savino?

Aye.

Velasquez.

Aye.

Mazuka?

Aye.

Givata?

Aye.

Group?

Aye.

Draviaso?

Aye.

Holland.

Aye.

Fetzer?

Aye.

And Gibbs.

Aye.

Motion carries.

Motion carries, thank you.

Okay.

And if we draw our attention to the screen, you can see that item seven, which is 510 divine has been postponed at the request of the applicant.

It will not be heard today.

We don't have any speakers signed in for that item.

At this point, we will hear speakers for items on consent.

Just note that folder will you have at least a letter in there for one item.

And then I will call up a speaker for item number four.

Um Teresa Lycia.

Teresa, if you're here, you can come up to the podium at this time and give your comments for item number four.

No.

Did you want to sign in for item 14?

Roosevelt?

I just want to make sure.

Are you Teresa in the hat?

Okay.

Did you want to speak today on any item?

No.

Okay.

So no speakers on consent.

Thank you.

Do any commission wish to pull any items from the consent agenda?

Yes, sir.

I wish to pull item number two.

Item number two.

Mr.

Chair, I'd like to pull item number five and item number eight.

Two, five, and eight.

Any other items.

Hearing none.

May I have a um motion for the balance of the consent agenda?

Yes, sir.

I move for approval of agenda items one, three, four, six, seven, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, and thirteen with staff stipulations.

Second.

Sorry, seven.

Uh was postponed by the applicant.

So scratch that from my motion.

Second stance.

Thank you.

It's been moved in properly.

Second.

Is there any further discussion?

May I have a roll call, please?

Maman.

Aye.

Savino?

Aye.

Velasquez?

Aye.

Mazuka.

Givata?

Aye.

Group?

Aye.

Federal.

Aye.

Holland.

Aye.

Fetzer?

Aye.

And Gibbs.

Aye.

Motion carries.

Motion carries.

Thank you.

You're on the consent agenda and your address is 1301 East Commerce, 331 West Commerce, 418 Florida, 1914 East Houston, 216 Lavaca, 320 East Courtland Place, 502 to North Zarzomora, 316 Army, and 201 West Linwood.

Your case has been approved and you do not need to stay for the remainder of this hearing.

If you have any questions, please contact a member of staff.

Your certificate of appropriateness or commission action letter will be prepared and emailed to you within 10 days.

So Commissioners, I'll pull up item number two, which is 1611 Broadway, and the applicant is here in person.

Okay.

Hi, this is a project at 1611 Broadway.

Ma'am, before you get started, please introduce yourself.

Yes.

My name is Lordina Gomez.

I work with KPNJ Architects.

Thank you.

And before you go further, the question.

I just have a few questions to ask.

Yes.

The UDC for this area of town under building orientation says the placement of a building on a site should be considered within the context of the block as well as how the structure will support the broader design goals for the area.

And wondering why these small utilitarian buildings are fronting on Broadway and Newell rather than being on the uh west and northwest corners of the site.

So we have one of the main entrances on that alley.

The purpose of the owner was to bring in the people from the Pearl to this multi-use area.

And um and the other entrance on Newell also made it a straight access point to that um restroom that we were going to provide for this seasonal facility.

Okay.

The other UDC regarding service areas and mechanical equipment.

Shall not be located at the pedestrian level.

And to minimize the visual impacts of exterior building lighting.

And the plan currently has a dumpster enclosure basically on Newell and an emergency generator.

Also has very utilitarian wall pack lights that front onto the uh public sidewalks.

And there's an exhaust vent from the restroom towards the uh sidewalk and uh wondering about the location of these um and whether they can be uh relocated.

Yes, so we've already um coordinate that we saw your question with the MEP.

So he'll be relocating the exhaust.

They won't be on Broadway or on Newell.

Um regards to the generator and the dumpster, they'll be fenced um with a six-foot opaque um cedar fence.

Fencing part of the application?

So no, so in my responses that we'll be providing, um, we'll be updating our drawings.

And we'll be revising our wall packs to decorative light fixtures.

Okay.

And then um there was a conflict between some of the drawings they showed the um what's that, the transformer?

Yes.

Uh some of them showed it on the north side of the restroom building and some showed it on the south side of the restroom building.

Yes.

Um civil and landscape have revised their drawings.

They submitted for site first, and then we got a CPS comment, which is why it was revised.

Um, but we'll be providing those drawings with this response package with the revised drawings.

Okay, so the final location is on the south side of the restroom building.

Per CPS, it's on the south side, yes.

Okay.

Uh that's all I have right now.

Thank you.

Do other commissioners have questions for the applicant?

Yeah, I do.

Um just so I'm clear, the bathroom building is just going to be switched with the transformer.

Yes.

Uh and it why could it not rotate 90 degrees to be up on the north side of the property line?

Yeah, we try to squeeze it in, but per the um CPS l pole that we're gonna have to provide um for a three-phase, it just had to be put because of clearances with um the bathroom?

With the transformer.

Okay, what about the bathroom?

Uh as an as a way to get that utilitarian building more into deeper into the lot and away from the street phase.

Well, so you're saying putting it in front of it, I see.

Um just to the west to the west of it.

Just to get it off the street, because I understand you know what that what that experience is like on the street level of having so much street frontage occupied with this little utilitarian things, you know.

Yeah.

Um I'll discuss it with the owner.

Unfortunately, we want to use this middle area for this seasonal, it'll have a potential ice rink and pumpkin patch and Easter facilities.

So if we push the utilities inside, then you know we won't have that pedestrian access to um be able to be used as how many days a year do you project this is being programmed with customers?

He wants it full as much as he can.

I'll get the exact um days.

Halloween, Easter, Halloween, Easters, he's um he mentioned some summer activities and winter, so that'll be all throughout ice rink.

You could probably have it till like January and February.

Then it'll rotate into Easter facilities and then summer um and then the pumpkin patch.

Okay.

What happens?

What it currently is now, sorry.

Okay, so which is a vacant lot.

Right.

Yeah, they they they do provide the pumpkin and the ice rink right now, but the rest of the year, yes, it's vacant.

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay, thank you.

Yes.

Oh, sorry.

One last question.

So even though you're you're encouraging access from the alleyway from points west, um, there's still a good amount of space that can be used for the utility and the um, what is this, the the the dumpster, the transformer to put on that west property line.

You know, people are coming in and they're just bypass bypassing that volume and just going in to a larger space.

Did you think about um did you consider putting that that use on that west side?

I'll discuss it with the owner and see if we can um readjust something so it's not on on the street.

Because I would imagine if you could get more of the programmed activity on the edges, that would be a real encouragement for people to come in or to see it and want to come in on the Broadway and the Newell side.

Yes.

Okay.

Thank you.

Yes.

Thank you.

Do um any other commissioners have any questions um for this applicant May I have a motion, please?

Yes, Mr.

Chairman.

I would like to move this uh application to a DRC, uh so we can have further discussions with the applicant and uh let them have an opportunity to discuss some of these concerns with the property owner.

When would that the RCP?

Uh at soonest uh possibility, so probably next week.

Second?

Thank you.

I just wanted to do a comment if I can, Ms.

Please.

Um I'm actually uh I'm I'm supporting the motion, but I do agree with not having too much interaction with Broadway because it is kind of a visiting busy intersection, and I want people stopping and getting off cars or Ubers stopping.

So I actually would agree to most of the activity drawed towards the alley.

Okay.

Um it's a light that's very, very short, right?

Um you know, I'm I'm um encouraged but something coming up a little bit more permanent there.

So thank you.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Further comments.

May I have a roll call, please.

Ma'aman.

Aye.

Savino?

Aye.

Velasquez?

Aye.

Aye.

Group?

Aye.

Aye.

Holland.

Aye.

Betzer?

Aye.

And Gibbs.

Aye.

Motion carries.

Motion carries.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Next is item number five.

It's 312 West Courtland Place.

Um I believe Ronnie, um Ronnie Eccles is here in person uh so he can answer questions if there are any questions.

Good afternoon, everyone.

My name is Ronald Eccles.

I'm standing in for my colleague Stephen Williams.

We're with Texas Architecture Workshop.

Thank can you adjust the mic up?

My apologies.

There you go.

Thank you so much.

Commissioner Savino.

Uh yeah.

The question I have is as I'm going through the drawings, um, and I see the upper railing on the front, the metal railing that you have to put into place to get the uh balcony, the terrace level.

Yeah, the terrace level, because you need to get that additional height, right?

Um but I don't see any details of that, whether it's the profile or how that's being installed.

So what we were anticipating.

So just to give you a preface of where we're at in the drawings, given the I guess financial impact that our client may have to undergo to be able to do this, where we've been asked to pull together preliminary drawings just for a high-level kind of review to see what other complications may come up with the uh analysis of the structure and just the overall idea for that terrace.

Uh the idea is that that would actually be set back away from the existing parapet so that we wouldn't have to set it on the parapet.

It would actually be inboard.

Uh I can provide a supplemental detail uh if needed.

Or obviously I I know that was something that would also came up with some of the repairs, that there would be an additional review.

But we would want that to be inboard.

So once we established what the paving material would be on that deck, we would work out a detail to where that railing did not interfere or impact any of the existing structure.

Okay.

So we limit that to repair.

Great.

Because that precast balustrade at the top is just in perfect condition, isn't it?

No, we we only want to clean anything to the exterior.

I think the only modification that we would be proposing just for functionality would be the two doors uh that are coming out of the terrace.

Okay.

That is my question.

Thank you.

Do any other commissioners have any questions for the topic?

Yes, sir.

Um I know there's been some correspondence back and forth with staff.

Yes, sir.

To the applicant.

And just want to confirm that the height of the elevator tower.

Um I know uh depending on what elevator manufacturer is selected.

Yes, sir.

Some of them require an overrun above the top floor.

Yes.

And so has the elevator actually been selected yet?

Not yet.

We're currently working through that.

The idea is to use a hydraulic unit or similar so that the equipment can exist either in the basement area below the stairs.

And we just simply have the actuator coming from the ground up so that we avoid the need for an overrun.

I believe when we reviewed, Stephen and I reviewed even with a potential overrun based on what we have seen in previous projects, that that would not exceed the current height of the ridge.

But we will inform you all if that does and come back to HDRC for that approval.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Any other questions for the applicant?

Mr.

Chair, I'd be prepared to make a motion.

Please.

I would like to motion to accept the request all with staff stipulations.

Second.

It's been moved in properly second.

Further discussion.

May I have a roll call, please.

Ma'amin.

Aye.

Savino.

Aye.

Velasquez?

Aye.

Mazuka.

Aye.

Givata?

Aye.

Group?

Aye.

Aye.

Holland.

Aye.

Fetzer?

Aye.

And Gibbs.

Aye.

Motion carries.

Motion carries.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Item number eight, please.

Item number eight two eighteen atoms.

The applicants here in person.

Hello, good afternoon, everyone.

My name is Nick Handel.

I am the resident of 218 Adams Street.

Thank you.

Commissioner Saveno.

Yeah.

Um thank you, Mr.

Chair.

I just I agree with all of staff's findings and recommendations, but I do think we need to have a stipulation to request a full detailed and dimension site plan in the final.

Yes, we yes, we will provide that for you.

Yeah, it's not in here but in making a motion, I would add a stipulation to include that site plan.

Very well.

Um questions from any other commissioners.

Um I'll take your motion, please, ma'am.

Um make a motion to accept the request with staff stipulations one, two, three, and added four to provide a fully detailed in-dimensional site plan.

Second.

It's been moved and properly second.

Further comment.

Well, I I just would ask uh Commissioner Savino on the elevations.

Are you asking for more detailed elevations as well?

Uh roof, fascia board, uh, things like that.

I think six.

Um of that is included in staff stipulations.

Okay, thank you, sir.

Further comments.

All right, thank you, everyone.

Who may have a roll call, please?

Mammon.

Aye.

Savino?

Aye.

Velasquez?

Aye.

Mazuka?

Aye.

Aye.

Group?

Aye.

Tav Yaso?

Aye.

Holland.

Aye.

Fetzer.

Aye.

And Gibbs.

Okay.

Motion carries.

Motion carries, thank you.

Thank you all.

Item number 14, please.

Item number 14, HDRC case number 2026 091, uh 3406 Roosevelt.

The applicant is requesting a certificate of appropriateness for approval to one install fencing and walls around the property.

Wrought iron fencing will be installed along the north and south property lines.

A masonry wall will be installed along the west property line parallel to Woodhull Drive and Roosevelt Avenue, and along a portion of the southern facade adjacent to a neighboring structure.

The proposed wrought iron fencing and masonry walls will replace chain link fencing.

Two to perform exterior modifications to the two existing structures on site, including the installation of new facade materials and the construction of entrance canopies and painting.

Three to enlarge an existing sod addition and construct a rear addition to an existing metal building.

Four to install landscaping materials that include the installation of ground cover and shrubbery, and five to install a wall sign on the front facade of the southern structure.

I will note that the applicant has noted the installation of two pylon signs with internally illuminated cabinets.

These signs are prohibited by the UDC section 35678 and the historic design guidelines, guidelines for signage.

Staff recommends approval of items one through five based on findings A through H with the following stipulations.

One that fencing and walls not exceed six feet on site per the UDC section 35514 is noted in finding C.

Two that a detailed landscaping plan be submitted to OHP staff for review and approval prior to the issuance of a certificate of appropriateness.

Three, that a signage package be submitted for review and approval by the commission is noted in finding G.

Signage should not exceed 50 square feet unless approved by the Commission.

Four that a lighting plan and specifications for lighting on site be submitted to OHP staff for review and approval.

Lighting should not result in light pollution.

And five, an archaeological investigation is required.

The project shall comply with all federal, state, local laws, rules, and regulations regarding archaeology as applicable.

The applicant, Javier Gonzalez, is here in person.

Good afternoon.

Good afternoon, uh commission uh commission and uh chair and esteemed members of staff, others, friends that are here.

This one's a little different, and uh I yeah, I'm glad I'm last on the agenda, so I'll try and be brief, although we are last and won't be here too long.

And there are some encouraging things I heard uh from uh some members of the conservation society and so forth uh as I walked in, they they shared with me.

So uh this is an unusual case.

Uh uh a friend of ours asked us to to help them, uh a new friend, uh Joel's collision repair.

Uh they uh saw an opportunity bought this uh beautiful piece of property right by Mission Saint Jose with grand visions of of improving the property and so forth, and they got ahead of themselves and built uh an addition without permits or coming through the proper channels such as zoning HDRC and so forth.

So we're kind of working in reverse.

Some of these things are literally built already.

Uh there have been uh consequences that the uh property owner has has uh suffered uh starting with uh losing their their um their some of some of their nonconforming rights and things like that.

They had to go back to zoning, and he's lost about a year uh in his life of not being able to open a business and operate and so forth.

Uh now is as bad as that sounds, you can imagine if you're uh uh a an active uh neighborhood association, how that feels on your side.

So they've uh you know raise the ire of the of the neighborhood association, lots of interest, lots of issues coming back and forth.

So uh unfortunately the the the owner uh is out of the country and I've not been able to communicate them with them.

Our latest uh uh findings after presenting to the neighborhood association just on Monday.

And so uh it seems like we had a very productive meeting, lots of positive things, still some things to work through, and some really uh I think inspired details and ideas and materiality.

I think it really make this from being a you know from what it is to something more special and appropriate uh along the missions.

Uh so let me let me back up a little bit and and just kind of paint the picture for you.

You know, this is literally the birthplace of of our of our culture, our community, our history uh here right outside uh the door of the mission.

And uh, you know, it's not a World Heritage Site, you know.

Uh some members present were were even in Germany when they when they fought and got that uh designation, so that's something we're all proud of.

But the we're we're not we're not quite there yet.

Uh this particular property was a uh you know uh pre-engineered metal building with uh you know chain chain link fence and sheet metal uh fencing to block the views and so forth for for sixty years with little to no investment and improvement to it.

It's it's it's not uh not something that we can say we're proud of in the mission uh historic district.

And so the new owner sought to improve that.

Now, certainly if you close your eyes and imagine what what is this vision of World Heritage Site, what should it be?

It certainly you know deserves uh something special, but we're not there yet.

Uh the that plan I would venture to say is 20 years out.

Uh so as we look to our future, you know, there there ought to be, and we we've been discussing this with the neighborhood committee and with the councilwoman's office.

There ought to be some kind of vision plan, uh, much like when I was uh on the founding board for H park, you know, we pulled together the community, we had a master plan, and it didn't exactly you know spell out the way, but it pointed the way.

And so there was something to point to.

And in this case, there's not anything like that.

So in a manner of speaking to bring us back to where we are today, this is a step in the right direction.

This is bringing uh new investment, this is bringing new life, new business to the mission historic district, right outside San Jose, but it's not it's not the ultimate uh end wish.

And so uh we're looking forward to to presenting the rest of this to you.

I I I do think you you might be interested in hearing some of the comments from the Conservation Society and the Neighborhood Association.

We did have uh, I thought a very productive meeting.

Uh the owner was somewhat reticent in letting us meet with the neighbor association considering that the the the bumps and bruises he got during the zoning process.

Uh I think he earned those uh to be quite honest.

But he's a good guy, he and his wife, and they intend it to be good neighbors.

And so with that, uh maybe I should step aside and let them speak.

I bet you guys are going to want to weigh in.

I believe they're gonna ask for, you know, asking for, and uh my marching orders are for requesting for final approval on some of these things, on actually all these things.

Uh and the idea is to bring forth the idea of a conceptual approval so we can have time to work together, really produce uh solid uh presentation drawings, which we don't we don't have.

I I I didn't make it clear at the very beginning.

GRG did not do the design.

This was an engineer or somebody else.

Uh and then just to fast forward, let's say we're we're fortunate enough to get through the HDRC process and have that certificate of appropriateness.

The owner is still gonna have to take proper drawings, sealed and signed drawings through the process here at the DSD Center.

And so they're not getting away with anything.

They're gonna have to go through the process.

Uh a very important part of the process is what we are doing here today.

So, with that, uh Chair, would you like me to step aside and allow the uh members that wish to speak, speak?

Give me one moment on that, sir.

So, Corey, um are they signed up or are we just um Yeah, we have several in-person speakers.

Okay.

Yes, please step aside, sir, and we'll have the in-person speakers, and then we'll call back up for any questions we may have.

Thank you.

Thank you.

The first is Betty Boucher.

Ms.

Boucher will have four minutes.

Barbara Wood Howell has signed in and has yielded her time.

You can just have to hold that button.

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman, members of the commission.

I am Betty Boucher.

I am the first Vice President of the Conservation Society of San Antonio.

We were um asked by the councilwoman from the district's office to facilitate some meetings between the property owner and the neighborhood association.

Uh and uh the property owner was represented by the architect whom you have just heard from.

Um that meeting took place on Monday afternoon of this week.

And we do believe, as uh Xavier said, that uh progress was made.

Uh and the other thing that happened is that um uh it became apparent that the architect is new on the job and does not yet have drawings and illustrations that will explain explicitly and accurately portray what it is that they are intending to do.

Um for that reason, in consultation with the neighborhood association.

The conservation society is asking that this group uh use whatever means that you have available to you to conditionally move the process forward, uh, and that you revisit uh all of this once the architects have had the time to produce the drawings so that it is clear exactly what they will be doing.

We went over about seven different issues that the neighborhood association uh feel that they have, and they offered uh their comments to the architect.

They were very receptive, and they have indicated that they will consider those as they produce these drawings for the owner, their client.

Uh we think all of that uh is um sounding very good, uh, but we still think that there might be another step here, whatever that step is that you have at your disposal, we would suggest that that you um explain to the architect and the owner's representative that you might want to see what their final product is as well before they uh before you get final approval.

And so that's what the Conservation Society would recommend.

Thank you.

Mr.

Chair might ask you a question.

Um go ahead.

Um perhaps um what's been communicated through the Conservation Society, it's this uh describes the circumstance where all the right partners from the councilperson to the architect to the community are on the table.

It would seem that one place that the cut that the HDRC intervenes at that level is through DRCs.

So perhaps we're able to intervene at the at the consultation level as everyone works through uh providing that amount of time so the architects have time to consider what it is that they are doing, and hopefully everything converges at the right time to come here for either conceptual or for whatever would be deemed appropriate at the time.

I understand.

And but we do have other speakers, and so once we get done that part, then we can if that's a motion that you would like to consider then we can put that on the floor and then.

Understood, sir.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, our next speaker is Jane Henry.

Ms.

Henry will also have four minutes.

Prisiliana Cabral is here and has yielded her time.

Um good afternoon.

My name is Jane Henry.

I'm president of Mission San Jose Neighborhood Association.

And do I have to give my address?

Or just you have fire.

Go ahead.

Okay.

Right.

Um I don't know exactly what to say or where to start if this is a good one.

Well, this time is this time is for you.

You have comments that you like to make, you can um so if you have prepare commerce, you can use them or if you just want to speak from showing memory, that's fine.

Whatever you have, the time is yours right now.

I mean, I I do know what to say, but is this the proper time to say it?

Yes, we're going to have another meeting.

Okay, so that hasn't been voted on yet, ma'am.

Go ahead.

And I can talk about the things that we discussed in our in our meeting.

Um, first and foremost, for reference here, is the mission um mission historic district and the mission historic district design manual, the Roosevelt Improvement Project, and um all these are designed as guidelines and protections for development of the uh around the mission San Jose and uh the mission district in general.

Um having we have to realize that there's a reason that the um the technical advisory board of the zoning commission uh denied Joel Joel's collision uh non-conforming use rights of the property.

Um he didn't uh he didn't file the previous one did not have previous owner did not have one, Joel didn't file in time or something.

Anyway, they went over a lot of stuff and uh he had already pretty much built what he wanted without permits before um he applied for or came up for a review of the uh NCU.

Uh so they denied it, he appealed, they denied it again, and recommended that he seek a zoning change, perhaps to fit what he had built.

And they recommended an an L, which is light industrial, but that does not fit within the um the land use, the commercial community commercial.

Um so when it got to the zoning commission, um they decided to they listened to everything and decided to give him a um uh C to C D when in fact he needed something more intense, uh C3, C3 or light industrial.

In any case, they got their zoning, and now they're applying for uh some kind of way to make it more pleasing and and palatable for the neighborhood.

And one of the first things that uh uh archaeological, there was no archaeological study, and that is shocking.

And someone else uh will be speaking about that here.

Uh and I'm glad that the HDRC recommends it that that must be done, although they'll have to it's under concrete.

I mean, they've already built the stuff.

Um then um the um smokestacks.

I call them smoke stacks, they're not really they don't uh exude smoke, but they're built as ventilation shafts.

They're about eight feet high, I believe.

And uh they still fit within, they bring the height of the building still within the uh MPOD restrictions.

Um but they are ugly, they block, they compete with the view of the bell tower, the dome.

Um they just scream industrial in right across from a national park and the Mission San Jose.

So the Texas environmental uh the TCEQ offers a solution for that.

Which I have submitted to parties.

I'll give you another minute.

Go ahead, maybe I'll go.

Oh, thank you.

Um there are there are two kinds of uh ventilation system.

One is that it goes through this the stacks, and this is for the paint spray.

Yes.

Do you want to say that yes?

Yes.

This is something that we discussed at our meeting the other day with with the um architects, not archaeologists.

And um, but we still have been able to get unable to get any kind of response from the owner.

But we hope that he will be uh amenable to that solution.

There's the solution is there is an interior recirculated ventilation system and filtering system that they could use so that those stacks would not be necessary at all.

Um the fencing at his 410 uh Southwest Loop 410 um location, he has electrified fencing, 7,000 volts.

We want a stipulation that he will not ever have an electrified fence at this location, or a double fence.

He also has double fencing out there with the rod iron on the outside and then several feet inside a stone wall.

So, okay, ma'am.

That's that'll conclude your comments.

I gave you extra minute because we were trying to work out some of the things that we're gonna do.

Okay, and yes, these are these are things that we can work out with stipulations and agreements and things like that, but we just need more designs among other things.

Yes, ma'am.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

Uh Brenda Pacheco.

Hello to all of you.

Uh thank you for allowing us to come forth and uh express how we feel about this particular project.

It's been going on for a while.

Um if you can know he introduces you, but please introduce yourself.

Um Brenda Pacheco, 118 He's Huff, former address to 6711 San Jose Drive.

Thank you, ma'am.

Okay, can you bring up the recommendations and stipulations page?

And okay, so recommendations number five.

That is what I am most concerned about.

Having lived in that area all my life, having been uh um one of the first families of San Jose, I'm Papopa Indian.

I know that there are probably artifacts in that area.

I hope there are no no remains because that particular area I don't know was ever identified as a Camposanto.

But although those archaeological, whatever you want to call them, digs were not done in the past, I would certainly hope that it could be done now, because I guarantee you there are things there that we would want to know about because that property is right across what is now the uh visitor center, but that's not what it was before.

All of that was considered the San Jose compound, San Jose Church compound.

There was a business I know across the street, what would be uh the back door of, and it was a bar, and then houses.

There were houses on Woodhull.

So I'm quite certain that if they did archaeological dig or exploration, they will find something there that is important to San Antonio and the World Heritage Site.

So before all this other stuff gets started, I think that's what should happen first, before we go on any go on any further with renditions or whatever it is.

I think that has to happen.

I feel strongly about that.

And also can I have one more minute?

Um I belong to the American Indians of Texas, Spanish Colonial Missions, and uh Ramon Vasquez is the ZD.

We had conversation about this, and he also agrees that there should be a dig before all of construction continues.

Thank you.

Thank you, ma'am.

Last speaker is Brady Alexander.

My name is Brady Alexander, 1839 East Pirate.

I represent the Hot Wells Mission Reach Neighborhood Association.

Our association supports Mission San Jose's request for a continuance on this so maps and other technical data can be gone over.

Uh currently, it's just basically based on words.

Umregardless of what ends up being done on the site and the design, et cetera.

This has been about as authentic as you can get in this area.

A property is purchased.

The buyer decides to try to do like the old cell phone plan.

Nights and weekends are free.

Let's try to get away with it.

Goes on for months.

The city does nothing.

Central AC done.

6,000 square foot R panel.

Yeah, right.

This site is the first privately owned piece of land south of the mission San Jose Visitor Center.

This sets a precedent for what will go in next to it.

This disinvestment in this area has also caused neighboring property owners to put property up for sale.

It is really sad that this is the kind of rezoning that has been done.

There was a downzoning that occurred when World Heritage designation occurred.

Everything had to go back if it was vacant for more than a year.

So far, two properties have gone back to what they were.

Next will be the horsing around and the Corral Strip Club, I am sure.

It's really sad to see these beautiful historic areas, not just here, but other areas of town.

These historic areas deserve a better municipality than the City of San Antonio.

They are the greatest threat to these features and continue to be no matter what, with a variance, anything is possible, and this is a really sad situation, and we hope that it will be rectified, corrected.

Otherwise, more of the same.

A light industrial business park around the mission is what the plan is.

Thanks, sir.

Any other speakers, Corey?

That was our last one.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Do any commissioners have any questions for any of the applicants?

So Meth, let me go in order here.

So I'll start with my virtual applicants, more virtual commissioners.

I'm sorry.

Commissioner Mammon.

No questions, Chair.

Thank you, Commissioner Holland.

No questions.

Thank you.

Thank you, Commissioner Mazuka.

No questions at this time.

Thank you.

Commissioner Diobara?

No questions at this time, Mr.

Chair.

Thank you.

Commissioner Chavieso.

No questions at this time.

Thank you, Commissioner Group.

Yeah, some questions.

Please.

One question for staff is on the archaeology request.

If they already built the addition, what would happen?

Because normally we put this before they built.

Right.

So in order to come into compliance, they'll need to obtain all permits, and they will not get their permit until they have met all the stipulations.

So that's our teeth in making sure that that study happens.

I know, by you requiring to dig under the new addition because I don't know what is required yet.

So what would happen is a uh professional archaeologist would look at the site.

Um they would sort of do an inventory of previous work in the vicinity, and they would take their best guess at um what the best approach to an investigation at this location would be.

And so I don't know where on the property that would be.

It might be the whole thing.

There might be a few strategic locations where they look, um, but that would happen as part of that initial investigation.

So this stipulation will always be here.

So even if we do conceptual, can they move forward with that study?

They could do the study at any time.

Because that could affect the whole project.

Right.

If they are eager to get the permits, they don't want to be waiting to have that completed in order to get their approval.

So yes, they could begin that.

Okay.

And then why did staff not mention anything about the smokestacks in the stipulations?

Or design?

Yeah, I mean, it's really uh mechanical code issue.

And so there may be some kind of stealth design solutions, painting that we could do.

But in terms of the height, it does comply with the mission protection overlay district.

So we don't have any other adopted policy that would guide the size or shaping of those.

Okay.

Because it wasn't in the drawings either.

And then um the fencing.

You you say six feet.

I don't I didn't see anywhere which says anything about mission because it's the mission, it's has six feet is the max even on the front.

Correct.

Six feet is the mic, the max amount of height that that's allowed per fencing.

And the only reason we have it here is because it's in the mission district.

It's not any part of the building that is historic, anything of the structures?

Correct.

To our knowledge, there is no structure on site that has uh contributing status.

Um and then did you have any stipulations and the replacing the windows and the doors?

Are there any stipulations to the what type of replacement?

Uh no, there's not.

I mean, staff is also taking into consideration the existing materials on site.

Um, and so that's largely what our recommendations based off of.

Um we are also referencing the mission manual in regards to the new materials.

The previous structure had uh brick facade that's been removed, and there's been a masonry material that's been installed.

Uh and so generally that masonry masonry material would be consistent with the mission manual.

Um, granted, there are a lot of ways that um that can be detailed um in regards to uh coursing and and and brick work if you want to call it that or masonry work, but generally we find that to be appropriate.

Thank you.

I don't know any further questions.

Thank you.

Commissioner Savinous Yes.

Um there's some conversation about changes, correct?

That are different from the file that we have here.

Um Mr.

Gonzalez, can you talk about one or two in brief?

What are examples of those changes in like a minute?

Yes.

Thank you for the question.

Uh let me preface it with uh we we don't have the authorization from the owner to entertain changes, but between the the good advice you are getting back here and uh the uh astute commission, yeah, I'm sure you can come up with some things.

One of the things uh that was discussed, for example, the masonry wall, which is uh an improvement over the chain link uh with siding uh fence right now.

Uh Edward, I don't know if you can pull up some of the street view things so you guys get an up close and uh personal feel for what we are talking about.

But uh what the the owner did was he brought in a split-phase CMU, a two-tone, and we discussed this this at DRC, by the way.

I I hadn't mentioned that we had a DRC meeting uh to good idea, uh and we talked about some of these things.

The the thought there, uh big improvement would be to use the same sandstone, say as the mission library, for example, and that one is very handsome, it's very much in the same uh feel.

Now, you know, is considering that this is right across from the mission, you look out and you see this.

Edward, can you move over like as if you were further down Roosevelt looking back?

Yeah, I mean you get a really good idea.

If you can zoom in, please.

Yeah, it it it's it's not a you know poetic piece of architecture to say the least.

And we can we can uh talk about color and and the landscaping we talked about, uh uh different approaches to signage, different approaches to the wrought iron and some of the some of the inspiration we taken from from some of the more recent precedents and interpretations of how that can be handled.

All very positive, doable things.

Uh certainly uh what I think the owner would most appreciate is uh you know, kind of considering everything he's been through this to this far, and everything he has ahead of him is that the main addition that he did build, uh which you know the the archaeology uh study that's a requirement.

Uh we is not a choice, uh even though it's a stipulation, thank you for that.

Uh we have to do it.

Now, if you look at the uh Google Earth and you go back and and through historical imagery, you know, there's an old frame machine, there's a concrete slab.

There's been construction there before.

So the archaeologist, whoever that is, uh will have to decide whether they do selective uh uh digs or what.

Uh so those are those are examples.

Uh you said to be briefs.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Commissioner Blasquez.

I just uh really am the last of the line there is to make a motion to send this to a DRC.

No, you're not last.

No.

Not last, no.

Uh your question now, and then if you'll have a question, then I'll the year less, yeah.

Uh no question.

Thank you.

Vice Chair Fetzer?

Um yes, it's heartening to hear that uh the owner and the architect are willing to meet with the neighborhood association and the conservation society uh representing the mission historic district.

And uh it's not so much a question, but I guess it is that y'all are uh agreeing to continue those discussions uh with those groups to come to some sort of consensus that uh everyone can live with.

Well, I uh I wish the owner was accessible, he's out of the country.

Yeah, we understand that.

But he'd like the things to move forward, but considering kind of the larger context of of where we are, and and and that you did hear so some pretty heavy-handed, you know, impassioned uh uh overtures here.

I think we're a lot closer uh with common ground and and working as a team, dare I say it.

So yes, I I think there's opportunity to to make improvements and move things forward, albeit with a little bit more time.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Commissioner Savino, did you want to ask another question?

Because I know okay, we're good.

All right.

Um I have a motion, please.

Yes, sir.

A motion to move to a DRC.

And with respect to time, uh I look to staff's um recommendation with respect to as much time as can be given, being that it appears that the owner may need some time to get back, and with everybody on the table, uh more time can only do better in this circumstance.

So I will say, sir, if we are going to suggest that the time certain, but with staff giving a recommendation.

Right.

So just simply, you know, saying at the next available opportunity or the earliest possible opportunity, that would be fine because that will keep things moving.

So yes.

Okay, at the earliest possible opportunity in a timely manner.

I hear that.

We could uh we could actually schedule it.

I don't know if next Tuesday, the 21st would be available for the applicant, but we could also schedule it on the 28th.

So we have those two options.

We will work with the as far out of Fiesta as you can.

I don't know if it's appropriate for your own.

May I have a second, please?

Second.

Thank you.

Can we clarify?

Are we looking at the 28th or what date are we looking at?

Is it possible to get into May?

Yeah, this is Fiesta upon us.

So they can all participate in the process without any.

It certainly is.

I do want to note that we need to be mindful of the uh review deadline.

So the 60-day review for this application is May the 25th.

Uh the applicant could waive that 60-day review if needed.

Um my recommendation is that we have a hearing on May 20th.

Um so the um the action could be to a DRC.

Um that could happen sometime between now and May 20th, and May 20th would be the target date on record for the motion.

Acceptable to the maker of the motion.

Second agree.

Second agrees.

Thank you.

All right.

Okay, sir.

Yeah, ideally we we would love to, because we came in here asking for final uh not uh adverse whatsoever to the extra time as I said a moment ago.

But it we would love to have some sort of win, like a conceptual approval for the items requested, and then we will work out the details, refinements, zigs and zags as we need to.

Well, Mr.

Chair, would be the same.

Point of order, we're in discussion right now.

One more, please.

Um so when it comes to that, sir, so the motion on the floor right now, and I understand what you are asking for, but we also doing your presentation, you you pretty much made it clear that you know you weren't quite ready yet, and you weren't quite there yet, and you needed more things to happen.

So you're you're asking now for conceptual right now, but it's the recommendation or the motion on the floor right now is to move to a DRC so that we can get, you know, get everything together.

The owner can be here, you can get the questions answered and things to nature.

So if I may clarify our point of order, Mr.

Chair, we are in discussion, we shouldn't have the applic, not discussion with the applicant, this discussion on the Yes.

One moment, please, sir.

So do you want to add something, sir?

Well, Mr.

Chair, and I think it may help uh with respect to our discussion and and the questions that the applicant is asking.

The and I'm gonna address the chair.

Um, one, the applicant is not in the country, and that has no bearing on whether or not, you know, uh we we knew he was going to be or in he should be in the country, uh if he's got a case.

Um or at least the person should have the the authority to speak on that on that behalf.

The other is that there have been circumstances that bring this case to us that are not the finest circumstances that we would hope for, which is a a product that would not be sent to us because uh of the buildings that were built.

Um but uh with with everybody at the table to come up with a solution, it sounds like we are working toward a very proactive um uh um end result.

And I I would just like to say as a maker of the motion that that uh it's in District 3.

I am the District 3 representative, and have grown up in the area and would tell you that I think everybody needs to be very realistic about the nature of that environment.

One of the reasons why that environment is what it is and has been so strong is because of the backbone of the small businesses that are in that area that have survived uh all of the down economic downturns.

And that includes the lumber yards and the skating rings and the old bowling alleys and the auto uh uh uh uh uh the gas stations and the and the mechanic shops and so the uniqueness of this environment is uh not just the potential that it could be turned back into what it was historically, but that historically it it it you know, post the period where uh deed restrictions ended and Mexican Americans were able to live in that area to a large extent, Mexicans are Indians too.

So the thriving economic in that area has been the backbone of what has preserved San Jose Mission and San Juan Capistrano and and all of that, because it's it's our hard work, our tax base.

So I think everybody should be uh very aware that the outcome for this potentially is that it continues to be a contributor to the economic development of the South side, while at the same time that the architect will take very seriously that the way that the applicant went about it puts a little extra uh obligation on the applicant to come up with the most pleasing aesthetic that enhances the area.

It's already an enhancement, but they were in a situation where, as you said, with the brick facing that can take inspiration from the the newly developed uh uh uh cultural center and perhaps uh items from the um uh San Jose uh uh uh mission and also mechanical systems that you can see the the community is very sensitive, but at the same time if those solutions exist, they they should be employed if at all possible.

So I think everybody, the community is great being here, but I think they should also be aware that uh it it has always been at least for a very long time, not only an important part of um of the mission, but an important part of the workforce in our community.

It looks like it will continue to do that.

Thank you for your uh time to give me the for those comments, Mr.

Chair.

Thank you.

Um so I'll go through our um our virtual commissioners and see if we have any further discussion before we take a vote.

Um Commissioner Mahman.

No further discussion, thank you.

Thank you, Commissioner Holland.

No discussion, thank you.

Thank you, Commissioner Mazuka.

No comment, no discussion.

Thank you, Commissioner Vrauda.

No further discussion, Mr.

Chair.

Thank you.

Commissioner Chavieso.

No more further discussion at this time.

Thank you, Commissioner Group.

I have some comments.

Um first uh to the applicant.

If you were searching for conceptual, I think we should we needed more pictures, more visual.

Um I know you just got on board lately, and we can blame the other architect for not doing that.

But I think based on the comments you got from the neighborhood that you already knew that think this was was gonna arise, I think um I would have better prepared.

I don't I'm not gonna go against the motion, but there's already been with DRC at the DRC.

The uh public is not allowed to speak, so it's basically just a meeting between the you know, commissioners and the applicant.

It will give you an opportunity to come with updated drawings and get comments from the Commission, but at the same time, the comments are not from the Commission, the comments are from the public.

So I encourage more the meetings in the neighborhood and with everybody here to make those necessary changes that then can be presented informally to us.

But per the guidelines, I mean, there's not that much that can be said or changed other than you know, personal opinions, which we're not supposed to.

So I I say, you know, I think the effort also to what Commissioner Velasquez was said, it's a bigger effort to go with the public than it is to come back to a DRC.

May I may I make a comment?

Not yet, sir.

Um Commissioner Sabino.

Um I just want to say I am support of the motion.

Thank you.

Vice Chair Pesser.

Yes, I'll be supporting the motion and um if the motion passes, I look forward to the DRC and seeing how once the architect has an opportunity to discuss the community's concerns and uh with the owner and what uh proposed solutions they come back with us.

Thank you.

I'll give you final comments, sir.

Yes, thank you.

You uh thank you, everyone, for your comments.

I think they are very on point.

Uh I know that there is the opportunity to do a friendly uh uh amendment to the motion for conceptual if you uh were so motivated and then it passed.

I think it is significant that staff is recommending approval, although with stipulations.

And so we would love to see a conceptual approval for that with their comments or stipulations as noted, and then that that that gives us some firm stable ground to propel forward uh the refinement and and changes and improvements with the the neighborhood and the community.

Thank you, sir.

All right.

We have a motion.

I mean, we have a roll call, please.

Savino?

Aye.

Velasquez?

Aye.

Mazuka.

I.

Givara.

Aye.

Group.

Aye.

So in theye.

Petzer?

Aye.

And Gibbs.

Aye.

Motion carries.

Motion carries, thank you.

Staff will work with you, sir, as far as setting up the DRC.

Thank you.

I also want to apologize.

I was in a car accident not that long ago.

I was re-ended.

So if I'm doing this, it's it's not because I'm a robot, AI or anything like that.

It just, you know, these things happen.

I just thank you very much, sir.

Um you can step up to the podium, ma'am.

What is your question?

Turn your mic on ma'am.

When the archaeological investigation occurs, who assigns the party or person who does that?

Can I ask the city staff?

It would be a private consultant chosen by the um the applicant here.

Um but they would need to be qualified.

Um and that is something that is reviewed by our city archaeologist.

Then I have a special request if that's the case.

Um other digs are occurring all over the city, you know, but mostly at the Alamo.

There is kind of um not a written contract, but there is a gentleman's agreement that when that happens in areas that are like San Jose, which are historic, that uh the public, Native Americans, the neighborhood group, are allowed to go and observe the dig.

Because if there are remains uncovered, there is a special ceremonial process we as Native Americans go through once those remains are identified.

So if you if you all could consider that, that would be very, very nice.

I I would say, ma'am, that you know, we as the commission, you know, we don't control that, but unless staff has any um opposition to that whenever it's sets, then we don't have a problem with that.

I mean it's nothing, it's a public area, so we can't keep you from being there.

So and no one else can keep you from being there.

Well it is private property, so I mean it's gonna have to be kind of negotiated with the applicant and and you own.

We because we've done this, we consider you know s the safety and all that.

We don't we don't get like right in to where the it's being done, but so that we know that that if there are things uncovered, then we are aware at least aware.

I hear you, ma'am, and and I misspoke with him as not public property because it's private property, but yeah, um we yeah, work with the applicant and then we can see what happens there.

But we have no control over that.

Okay, thank you for listening.

Thank you, ma'am.

That was the last case on the agenda.

Um thank you, everyone, and enjoy the rest of your day.

We are adjourned.