All right.

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.

If we could please have our Spanish Interpretation Services statement.

Oh, hit the microphone button.

All right, thank you so much.

Alright, my name is John Bustamante, and I am the chair of the zoning commission of the City of San Antonio as well as the District 5 zoning commissioner.

The time is one o'clock, and I hereby call this regularly noticed meeting of the City of San Antonio Zoning Commission in the session.

I like to do roll call by allowing the zoning commissioners to introduce themselves, starting with the commissioner on my far left.

Thank you, Chair.

My name is Rob Sipes, representing District 7.

I'm John Kelly, representing District 8.

Danny Kellum, District 1.

John Witsett, District 10.

Moses Duvel, District 9.

Miel Ocef, district 2.

Ken Hui, District 6.

Georgie Nohosa, District 3.

Eddie P.

Rodegis, District 4.

Morj Gunpana, Mayor's appointee.

Staff is a quorum present.

Yes, the quorum is present.

All right, thank you so much.

Would everyone please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.

I pledge allegiance to the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.

One nation under God in a divisible with liberty and justice for all.

Okay, before we begin, I would like staff to please review our meeting format for the benefit of those in the audience.

Staff, if you would.

Before I begin, please turn your phones on vibrate or turn them off.

Zoning Commission is an eleven-member body appointed by the city council to make recommendations on zoning cases.

Upon receiving a recommendation from Commission, you have six months from the date of the Commission's recommendation to forward your case to City Council.

If you have any questions regarding this procedure, please contact your case manager.

Staff will begin each case with a short presentation of the request.

Part of the presentation includes a map that shows the area to be considered for rezoning and property within 200 feet of the subject property.

Check marks indicate those property owners in favor of the quest and an X indicates those property owners in opposition.

Following this presentation and any questions by the commission, the applicant will present their request.

For those that signed up to speak for or against the proposed rezoning, you will be called in order that you that you signed up to speak.

Those in support and opposition will be allowed a maximum of two minutes per speaker, and you are not obligated to utilize the maximum time limitation.

You will be informed that the two minutes are up.

For those that would like to give time to a speaker, that speaker will be allowed a maximum of two people giving up their time for a total of six minutes.

Those giving up their time must be present and signed in to speak and must yield the time when the speaker goes to the podium.

The applicant will then be given an opportunity for a bottle limited to one speaker with a two limited time limit opportunity to address the commission questions.

Thank you, Chair.

Alright, thank you so much.

Before we begin our items, are there any withdrawn or postponed items today?

We have two items that are postponed, items number one and number 12.

Alright.

Ladies and gentlemen, if you are here for the items one or twelve, which respectively are 19273 Babcock Road and 454 Avondale Avenue, you can go about your day.

We're not going to hear those today.

So you will have a whole new notice if that's necessary.

Um staff, if we could read in the items that are currently on our combined hearing number one, the consent agenda.

Sorry, not read in.

Just give me the list.

Items on the consent agenda are items number seven, ten, eleven, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, seventeen, eighteen, and nineteen.

Okay.

Commissioners, anyone want to pull any additional items from the combined hearing number one.

Looking left, seeing none, looking right, seeing none, thank God.

Um sorry.

Inappropriate.

Staff.

If we could please read in the items on combined hearing number one, consent, please.

First item on the consent agenda, item number seven, a request for a change in zoning from C two, C three, and MF33 to C3S with the specific use authorization for a machine shop and within the Edwards Recharge Zone District with all overlays to remain the same.

Located at 5039 Beckwith Boulevard.

Eleven notices were mailed, two in favor, zero opposed, no registered neighborhood association within 200 feet.

Outside 200 feet, we received two in favor.

Item number 10 is a request for a change in zoning from I-1 to R1 with all overlays to remain the same, located at 108, Dickey Avenue.

37 notices mailed, zero in favor, one opposed.

Collins Garden Neighborhood Association is in favor, and we did receive one voicemail in support.

Item number 11 is a request for a change in zoning from C2 to RM4 with all overlays to remain the same.

Located at 202 Casterville Road, 50 notices were mailed, zero in favor, zero opposed, and there was no response from the El Charo, Prospect Hill, and Brady Gardens Neighborhood Associations.

Item number 13 is a request for a change in zoning from PUD MF 18 to L with all overlays to remain the same, generally located in the 11,000 block of highway south highway 181.

14 notices were mailed, one in favor, zero posed, no registered neighborhood association within 200 feet.

Item number 14 is a request for a change in zoning from RM4 to C2 with all overlays to remain the same.

Located at 1850 East Houston Street, 38 notices were mailed, three in favor, zero opposed.

Dignity Hill neighborhood dignity hill neighborhood association gave no response.

Item 15 is a request for a change in zoning from R6 to RM6 with all overlays to remain the same.

Located at 320 East Courtland Place, 39 notices mailed, two in favor, zero opposed, and there was no response from the Tobin Hill Community Neighborhood Association.

Item number 17 is a request for a change in zoning from O2 and C1 to IDZ1 with uses permitted in C1 like commercial district and a foster group home with all overlays to remain the same.

Located at 7137 West Military Drive.

26 notices were mailed, zero in favor, zero opposed, and Lackland Terrace Neighborhood Association is in favor.

Item number 18 is a request for a change in zoning from C2 to C2S with a specific use authorization for extended stay, hotel, motel, timeshares, or corporate apartment with all overlays to remain the same.

Generally located in the 7400 block of Warsbach Road, 17 notices were mailed, zero in favor, zero opposed, no registered neighborhood association within 200 feet.

And our last item, item number 19 is a request for a change in zoning from C2 to L with all overlays to remain the same.

Generally located in the 9300 block of Southeast Loop 410.

Nine notices were mailed, zero in favor, zero posed, no registered neighborhood association within two hundred feet, and we do not have any public comment on those uh items.

Thank you so much, as I was gonna forget to ask.

Um all right.

Is there the floor is now open for a motion on the consent combined hearing number one agenda?

Mr.

Chair?

Yes, Commissioner Huey.

I move to approve the following items.

Item number seven, ten, eleven, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, seventeen, eighteen, and nineteen.

All right, is there a second?

I second, second by Commissioner Pana.

Any discussion?

Looking left, seeing none, looking right, seeing none.

All right.

The motion is for approval of items 7, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19 by Commissioner Huey with a second by Commissioner Pana.

Roll call vote, please.

Commissioner Huey.

Aye.

Commissioner Pana?

Aye.

Commissioner Kellum?

Yes.

Commissioner Losa?

Yes.

Commissioner Inoza?

Yes.

Commissioner Pete Little Digas.

Yes.

Commissioner Sype?

Yes.

Commissioner Kelly.

Yes.

Commissioner Duval.

Aye.

Commissioner Woodsett?

Yes.

Chair Wisdomante?

I.

Motion carries.

All right.

Alright, very good.

If you are here for any of the items that we just read, seven, 10, 11, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, seventeen, eighteen, and nineteen, you are welcome to go about the rest of your day.

You will have six months to go to City Council.

Good luck to you.

Alright.

The next item, uh, or sorry, the next agenda is the continuance hearing to July twenty-first, twenty twenty-six.

Correct.

We have item 16 requesting a five-week continuance to the July 16th meeting.

July 21st.

Oh, I'm sorry, 21st.

My bad.

I I apologize.

Thank you.

All right.

Is there any public comment?

Uh there are folks signed up to speak.

Um, first we have Mr.

Yeah.

Let me just say, ladies and gentlemen, you're welcome to speak today.

You're welcome to come back in five weeks.

You're welcome to do both.

Uh, but we're gonna go through and ask you what you want to do.

First is Mr.

Patrick Ramey.

Would you like to speak today?

Sure.

Nope.

You gotta come up.

You'll have two minutes.

If you would say your name and your address, and then tell us your thoughts on item number sixteen.

Yeah, and just for the record, the agenda does indicate that this is CD 9, and this is in fact council district one.

All right, good afternoon.

My name is Patrick Ramey.

Uh, my wife Catherine Raimi and I moved to San Antonio um a year ago, and we recently bought uh a property 2917 North Main Avenue across the street from the property in question here.

Um this is a neighborhood with a lot of historical care uh historic character, um, and it's primarily made up of single family residences.

Uh so we are in uh our instinct is opposition to the uh proposal to subdivide the property um to help uh maintain the the uh value of our property, but also um the character of the neighborhood as it is and and as we chose.

Uh we stretch ourselves financially to be in this neighborhood, um, and and we just uh we don't want anything rash to be done to change that character.

All right, thank you, Mr.

Amy.

And then our next item, our next person to speak is Mr.

Ryan Reed.

Okay, and that is it for item sixteen.

All right, very good.

Uh the floor is now open for a motion on item 16.

Mr.

Chair, make a motion for continuing item number 16 to the 721 meeting.

Okay.

There's a motion.

Is there a second?

Okay, Commissioner Woodson.

Oh, he raised his hand.

We're getting super formal.

Uh Commissioner What's it?

All right, Commissioner Woodsett is our second.

Um, all right.

So the motion is for continuance of item number sixteen to july July 21st, 2026, by Commissioner Kellum.

With the second by Commissioner Witsit.

Um, any discussion looking left, seeing none.

Looking right, seeing none.

All right.

Roll call vote, please.

Commissioner Kellum.

Yes.

Commissioner Woodsett.

Yes.

Commissioner Losef.

Yes.

Commissioner Inhalse.

Yes.

Commissioner Pete Rodriguez?

Yes.

Commissioner Huey?

Aye.

Commissioner Sipes.

Yes.

Commissioner Kelly.

Yes.

Commissioner Duell.

Aye.

Commissioner Pana?

Yes.

Chair Bustamante.

Aye.

Motion carries.

All right.

Um very good.

We'll see you in five weeks.

All right.

We are now going to move on to our individual agenda.

We are going to begin with item number eight.

And then we will go to item number six.

Good afternoon.

My name is Samantha Benavides, zoning planner with development services.

Item number eight is located at 17680 Blanco Road, going from C2 commercial district to C2S commercial district with a specific use authorization for a car wash over the Edwards Recharge Zone District with all overlays staying the same.

There were 23 notices mailed, zero in favor, three opposed.

Blank O bluffs gave no response.

Outside 200 feet, zero are in favor, and six are opposed.

The existing C2 district is an appropriate zoning for the property in the surrounding area, and the proposed C2S district for a car wash within the ERZD is also appropriate.

The subject property is located along Blinka Road, a secondary arterial intended to accommodate higher volumes of traffic typically associated with commercial uses.

The intensity of the proposed commercial district aligns with the existing uses and other commercial designations in proximity, making it consistent with the current development in the area.

Staff recommends approval.

Saws is here to present their findings, and the representative is present to answer any questions.

Very good.

Thank you.

If we could have the representative from SAS, please.

We changed our procedure, so I caught them by surprise.

Absolutely.

That's cool.

All right.

Allowing for an automated car wash facility.

There is an out-of-business restaurant on the site previous previously built in 1999 on a 1.297 acre lot.

The existing price cover on site is 65%.

The property is classified as a category two.

The proposed zoning change would allow for a drive-thru automated car wash with vacuum stations on site.

No portion of the site is in a floodplain, no sensitive geologic features were observed on site.

We recommend approving all environmental recommendations within the Sol's report to include allowing 65% price cover for the 1.297 acre lot.

Thank you.

Thank you so much.

The applicant, please.

And if you would, sir, introduce yourself, tell us your address, and tell us what you want.

Good afternoon.

Carlos Swanson, I'm with Cross Development out of Carrollton, Texas.

We're the developer for Blue Wave Express, partnering with Blue Wave and also their partner business, Clearwater Express.

We're their developer.

We've uh opened about 50 locations with them, and we have about 91 current ones in Texas.

That does make us the largest Texas Express uh owner-operator car wash, so you can have a membership and go to any 97 locations.

Our goal here is to be a good neighbor.

We want to address any concerns that come up.

I know we've received a few items.

Uh, number one, just being that it's our really hard to get in and out of the neighborhoods around there.

Um, obviously, Blanco Road is a increasingly busy road, and uh we actually built an or we remodeled another car wash not too far down the road.

It's just a couple miles down the road at uh 14530 Blanco Road, similar sort of access in and out, and we we haven't had any issues with that.

Um, additionally, our goal as a business is we're not a destination.

Most of our customers come in through on their way to home, grocery store, soccer practice, whatever.

Um, and so we're not adding to the traffic, we're rather trying to pull from the traffic.

Um, and so we're on average maybe seeing about 500 cars coming in a day.

Um, we're not adding 500 new cars, it's the cars are already on the way to HEB, etc.

Um, additionally, we've received some comments about there being too many car washes right there on that little stretch of Blanca Road between about basically where we're trying to propose to go in and uh the highway.

So I went through all those today.

I went to ours, uh, that we opened up not too far, a couple miles down the road.

Um I went to the wash tub neighboring.

Um, it's more of a detail-oriented where you come in, you park their car, their quickest option was about 20 minutes.

They did a fantastic job, but it's more of like a detail service.

You could either have a kind of a soft detail or a full detail.

Ours is more of an express style.

I went down to go car wash around the corner along the highway frontage.

Uh that was, I mean, it's similar to what we do.

It's an older building, their washes in as designed as well, but it'd be something similar.

Ours is just a little bit more convenient to those going uh the other direction on Blanco Road.

Additionally, uh, to be a good neighbor, obviously, car wash is often considered to be noisy.

Um, something we have unique about our design is most express style car washes have these large loud vacuum motors that just run all day and they're really loud.

We put ours inside the building, so it's kind of negligible basically on the noise aspect.

Um, the noisiest part that you're gonna hear is at the tunnel exit, which is facing towards Blanco Road.

I've personally stood uh on a real busy road in Dallas out in front of one of our car washes.

Traffic was 90 or 70 decibels.

Our car wash standing 10 feet from the exit was about 70 to 80 decibels.

Finally, just to kind of talk more about Blue Wave Express.

So we uh we like to say that we're almost like the Chick-fil-A car washes, we're very customer service oriented, and uh it's it's fast, it's friendly, it's a great product.

Um, and then we're also proposing a few more items just to help reduce the impact on any of the surrounding homes.

So there's uh additional equipment we can buy to keep the wash even quieter, so that'll reduce decibels, and then we'll make sure to control our lighting to where it's not a nuisance to any of the neighbors.

Um we've already reached out to the neighborhood, we've I've responded to many of the neighbors.

Um we've gone through the process with SAWs and that we had a discussion with TCEQ as well, and we've received their approval.

Um so I just appreciate your time listening to me and request your approval.

Thank you so much.

All right, public comment, please.

Yes.

First we have Mr.

Gary Stinnett.

And he is to be followed by Mr.

Alberto Sierra.

And just a reminder if anyone wants to donate their time, they need to do so before the speaker starts.

And up to two people can donate their time.

And sir, if you would please say your name and your address for the record and then tell us your thoughts.

Yes, good afternoon, everyone.

Uh my name is Gary Stinnett.

I'm with the wash tub car washes.

Uh we uh occupy the property of one seven seven eight zero Blanco Road, which is a hundred and twenty-five feet from this proposed uh car wash that's trying to be built close to us.

Um we all have seen the number of car washes go up here in San Antonio over the past 10 years, and it's been something that we've never expected from competing in the car wash business for 40 years.

Uh we we welcome competition, we welcome car washes.

There's obviously a lot of them in San Antonio.

Uh what we struggle with is just the car wash, you know, being a hundred and twenty-five feet from a car wash that's been there for 40 years.

Um I think on the display right here, there's five other up operating car washes within a two mile radius of this site.

The area doesn't need any more car washes.

All you're doing is splitting the baby.

Somebody's gonna get washed half, the other car wash is gonna wash half.

Competition's competition, we're not going anywhere.

These guys obviously have a lot of private equity money.

They're gonna continue to build as many and as fast as they can.

You know, hence the growth that we've seen in San Antonio.

I don't know if you guys remember about a year ago, there was another car wash that tried to develop on Blanco Road, right across from this one.

I think we had over 200 neighbors that were signed petitions.

You know, again, most of the neighbors are older, they don't get the notices in the mail.

It takes the HOA meetings, takes city council getting involved.

You know, this time we're trying to capture it a little bit earlier in the process, but um, you know, it's that that neighborhood is not in favor of a you know another express car wash.

So anyway, appreciate your time.

Thank you, sir.

Next, Mr.

Alberto Sierra, to be followed by Miss Lorena Ibarra.

Good afternoon.

My name is Alberto Sierra.

I live at a 18417 Rustlin Ridge.

Uh Lib work in the community.

Uh my opposition for the car wash is Blanco Road just went through a transition of smaller road to wider road.

Traffic is already horrendous.

We're adding a fifth, I th I believe it was car wash to the the local area.

Uh just causing more congestion, more traffic for the residents in the area.

Thank you.

All right, thank you, Mr.

Sierra.

Miss Lorena Ibarra.

Hi, um my name is Lorena Ibarra.

I live at 101 Country Club Lane, and I'm here today in opposition to this request.

Although our address is on country club lane, actually, what are the happy faces?

Um our garage entrance onto Blanco Road is approximately less than 200 feet from the proposed entrance to this project.

I reviewed the case packet.

It contains extensive information regarding aquifer uh protection and environmental compliance.

However, I did not find information addressing how the operational impacts on this project are on nearby residents were evaluated.

Actually, they said they spake with a uh neighborhood.

I I didn't receive any information regarding during the blanco road reconstruction project, TX.

I review our driveway access after determining that our blanco road entrance was not properly reflected in the original plans.

Following that review, the roadway design was modified in the area of our driveway.

Before the reconstruction, traffic frequently is low and queued along this section of Blanco Road.

Today traffic moves more freely and at a higher speed.

For that reason, I'm concerned about the additional turning movements associated with the car wash at this location, and I did not find information in the packet explaining how those change roadway conditions were evaluated.

My husband and I are customers of the existing blue wave facility on all beaters road, is not on Blanco Road.

Based on our personal experience, the vacuum area and drying equipment generate no noticeable noise.

That first hand experience is one of the reasons we are concerned about locating a similar operation so close to our home.

I respectfully ask to commit the commission to consider whether the record contains sufficient information to evaluate the impacts of this project on nearby residents before approving this request.

Thank you.

Alright, thank you, Mr.

Barba.

Next.

And that's it for public comment on this item.

Very good.

Mr.

Swanson, you'll have a brief rebuttal.

Three minutes.

Sure.

Um so obviously just to address some of those concerns that were brought up.

Um the wash tub he's been a great competitor.

Um, it's not the first time we've been in the vicinity of them.

Um, and it's it's a it's a true thing that we're considering.

But I mean, we're having spent the research on it, he's more focused on offering a detailed service.

We're more of a you can go in and be out in less than five minutes, um, and maybe have a similar wash is probably a little bit better just because people are using their hands to make sure it looks great.

Um, going back to the the neighborhood reach out.

I did reach out to them uh when we first submitted it and then they went to SAWs.

We didn't receive any feedback.

I requested that if anybody uh was interested in having a meeting, we're happy to meet with them.

We don't want to ramrod anything through, we want to be the best neighbor that we can be.

Um, and so they didn't have any feedback at that time.

Once we received SAW's approval, I reached out again.

Um I received maybe one uh email from them, and then I've received a couple through Samantha.

Um, and I'm happy to meet with the neighborhood with the HOA, etc.

Um, just to make sure that we can provide as many, I guess, resolutions as possible to any concerns.

Um, going back to the traffic aspect, um, I you know obviously her uh driveway entry is very close.

Um if anything more cars coming that way.

If they're slowing down to turn into a car wash, that might be a benefit because then they're going slower by your house, right?

They're easier to get out.

Um, we have reached out to um or we do on every single car wash, we have a reclaim system for all of our water.

So we reuse about 70% of our water, um, and it gets recycled through the wash, it gets treated, it's clean.

Um, it's I wouldn't take a bath in it, but it cleans your car pretty good.

Um, and so we're uh we've that's part of our SOAS requirement, and um we'll be doing that on that location and every other location.

Um so if you'll have any questions, I'm happy to answer them.

Um just let me know.

Thank you so much.

All right, this is a district nine case.

Commissioner Duval to you for questions.

All right, so to staff.

Um could you uh help me out?

What what's the uh current zoning for the uh the property?

It's C2.

Okay, so just for everyone's uh understanding the the rezone is to C2S.

Uh so what's what's different between C2 and C2S?

The S would permit the car wash um within the ERCD.

Okay, yeah.

So could you explain why why is an S required in the ERZD?

Uh well, in addition to the use not being permitted by right in C2, um, it would also be required just as the use generally and the use over the ERZD.

Okay, all right.

So uh even outside of the ERZD, this was what I wasn't clear about.

Even outside the ERZD, car washes are still not allowed by right in C2.

Correct.

Okay, all right.

That's important.

Um so let's let's go over the ERZDS requirement uh first.

Um maybe could I ask the the SAS representative to come back up?

Sorry to so yeah, we we heard a couple of concerns from some of the members of the public about uh water quality and and pollution.

Um I did read the uh SAS report, but could you just explain a little bit what what makes this uh uh uh acceptable or yeah, what no what what makes it acceptable based on your analysis for for water pollution given the sensitivity of the uh the roads on so in our site-specific uh recommendations we we put on there and the applicant agreed to it is that they're gonna recapture 80% of the wash water, recapture and recycle, which makes it the car wash cycle more run more efficiently, and it it also helps with cost on their end, uh so they're not you using as much fresh water.

Um the SAWS conservation ordinance for car washes is uh calls for 50% recapture and recycle.

So because this is over the recharge zone, we're requiring higher a higher uh recapture and recycle of 80%.

Um the other thing is is uh we want them to use biodegradable detergents, which would also help the environment, and they've agreed to that.

They've also agreed to be part of the saws car wash uh conservation program.

Um let's see what else what else do we put on there?

Oh, and also um the grid traps.

So all the the fine sediments that they get washed off the vehicles under carriage uh get captured into um into uh a grit trap, and so those have to be uh pumped out monthly cleaned up so that it doesn't back up the system and it doesn't overflow into our into our sewer system.

Um then also limiting the amount of imparius cover um to 65%.

That's that's what's allowed for a category two commercial land use, so yeah, uh also it was mentioned by some of the members of the uh the community the concentration of car washes in this area.

Um does the SAS analysis take into account concentration of car washes?

Um no, I guess just uh you know, and um it it's difficult if the analysis doesn't include it, but maybe you could help me out if if hypothetically, um I know this isn't the case, but if hypothetically every use on this section of of Blanco uh within the Edwards Aquifer recharge zone was was car washes, right?

Um at any point would SAS regulations or any of the environmental you know regulations that are in place uh restrict it?

Would it ever be triggered if say like every property was emitting a it's case by case?

I mean, there's no prohibition against the car having a car wash over the recharge.

So just as long as they they meet these site-specific recommendations, um yeah, I mean, yeah, we we have no control over that.

And uh I guess who who makes the those regulations for SAWs?

Is that a city ordinance or right?

It's the water quality ordinance, or it's also called the Aqua Protection Ordinance.

Um the ordinance goes back to 19, I think it was approved by city council in 1994, December of 1994.

Yeah.

All right, thank you.

Very much no problem.

Uh maybe to um Samantha again.

Um there are I think when I looked at the uh the map, um, there were two neighborhood associations in the area, one was within 200 feet, um, one's across Blanco Road, and I guess wasn't within the 200 foot.

Correct.

So could you what were the two?

Blanco Bluffs is within 200 feet, and I can't remember what the other one was.

Something creek.

Yeah, if I go on Google maps here and look at the uh street view, let me see.

I'm sure members of the public know about Canyon Creek.

We're looking into it right now.

That's a second.

Blanco bluffs is with uh within the 200 feet.

With the one outside is like Canyon Creek or Canyon Creek, that's it.

So could I ask the applicant to come up?

Um I appreciate I I know that the uh councilwoman's staff reached out to you and really asked you to go above and beyond the code requirements for noticing the surrounding neighbors.

Did you guys make contact with uh um both of the HOAs?

No, I was under the impression it was just one HOA that was nearby, and I I was I what I remember is that the one across the street wasn't a HOA or that it wasn't given like oh that's something of concern across the street, so I we did not um we met with the councilwoman in our in her district uh before um we initially submitted and she'd primarily recommended just reaching out to uh the blanco bluffs one because that was the one in the uh uh correct, yeah.

The um maybe could you check your your email when you when you sit down again?

I thought at some point we had received an email from you that you guys had heard back from uh Canyon, the other one, but but uh just go ahead and check.

Yeah, when you sit back down again.

Um, because it'd be good to good to know.

Okay, wonderful.

Um, uh I think that is it for me, and I'll let uh other commissioners have a round.

Okay, thank you.

All right, thank you so much.

All right.

Questions to my left.

Yes, Commissioner, what's that?

Quick question for staff.

Uh it appears that the location of the other car wash is C2 C D.

So they don't have an S.

Uh were they older or so when I looked up that information, like if I go to it on one stop, it seems like it is a bit older on there.

Typically, the newer ones will have like the information generated on the little white box that populates this one, doesn't I look further into it to see on the ordinance, but I'm assuming because it's older, that's why it does not have the S.

So this is strictly due to the use or is it tied to the aquifer use also?

Both.

Okay.

So maybe they were there before the aquifer rules changed.

Yeah, if if I understand correct, that may be the wash tub and what he's talking about that has been there for like 40 years, so that's a possibility.

All right, thank you, Commissioner.

What's that?

Uh questions to my left?

Saying none.

Questions to my right?

Yes, Commissioner Hina Hosa.

Uh question for staff, just to remind me.

Um, so this would be a C2 with an S, uh uh, in order to have a car wash.

So if if they would sell it in the future, it would only be any kind of CT usage or car wash.

Correct.

I know it's like a simple question, but just wanted to clarify.

Um, and then one for you, sir.

Remind me, um, what kind of community outreach have you guys done?

I know you I know you said you reached out to the councilwoman or or to the consul district there.

Um did you attend a neighborhood meeting?

Uh no, and I've I offered to do that, but um I several times at each point of contact that I had with the neighborhood.

I said, if anyone has any questions, concerns, anything like that, we want to meet with them.

Um it wasn't until maybe the in the past couple of days that we've started receiving the feedback, and so we did not attend any meeting.

And what about uh because I see on the website, you you have multiple locations here in San Antonio and the surrounding area and also uh uh in other cities.

Uh did you blog walk?

Did you go around to the neighbors, knock on the door, say hey, how's it going?

Uh no, sir.

I did not do that.

Okay.

Um I'm always one for to go out there and see what the neighbors you know do.

Uh, but thank you.

Saul's uh report person, Mike, right?

I have a question I have a question for you.

Um regarding to where you're walking up.

Where were these car washes 45 years ago?

Because my daddy said, Let me wash the cars with a mangeta, right?

As you drink the water from the mangeta.

If you don't know what that means, drink the water from the hose and have fun anyway.

Anyway, I digress.

Uh remind me, you said 80% of the water is recaptured.

Right.

What happens to the other twenty percent?

Is it just go into the dream?

Uh it probably does.

It probably does go into the sewer.

I mean, he's the car wash expert.

Okay.

Got you.

Let me ask you, yes, go ahead.

Come up, sir.

Uh so there's a total of four tanks.

There's three two thousand gallon tanks, um, and there's different chambers and setups and materials inside of it basically where it cleans the water.

And so you wash your car, all the water inside the tunnel drains into a trench.

Uh it's split kind of at the last quarter.

It grabs the water that has the uh more oil-based stuff for like your tire shine, that sort of thing.

Anything on the bottom of your car, um, that goes in directly into a sandwich separator to get that out.

Um, but then all the other water, it goes through three tanks, cleans it in different ways, um, three, two thousand gallon tanks, and then it goes through the sandwich separator as well.

Um, and so it then it heads back into our wash via pump.

Gotcha.

And then the remainder of 20%.

Um, I mean all of it is being treated, it's just that 20% gets sent back towards the city.

Okay.

And then my last question, and it'll be for you, sir.

Um if if this passes, uh, are you willing to work with some of the neighbors that are close by of maybe putting a little bit, maybe putting a higher fencing or some kind of sound protection or or okay.

We're already planning to do that.

So at the tunnel exit, which is facing Blanca Road, when you come out, the loudest portion that we're gonna have on our site is all the blowers that dry off your car.

And the only thing I would like is uh I know you want to do that, I'm assuming you want to be a good neighbor, and and I'm sure there's there's uh fundraising opportunities and giving out to the community and the school districts and the schools and the kids and all that, and that's great.

That's beautiful.

Um but maybe get with the actual neighbors, like say with a neighbor association.

I always say there's there's there's people that go to the neighborhood association meetings, and then there's the direct neighbors, and sometimes they don't really overlap, right?

Uh but meet with them, just you know, sit down somewhere.

Was it a gym's up there, I think at the corner, uh, or somewhere, and just kind of meet yeah, meet meet somewhere with them and see what what would you like?

What would you uh uh like for us to be a good neighbor for that?

Yeah, thank you so much.

And I'm happy to put up a like a screen wall, that sort of thing on that southern boundary.

Thank you.

Thank you so much.

Any further questions, right?

All right.

Second round, go on with it.

Really quick, just to come back to Commissioner Witsett's uh question.

We were able to find the ordinance, and it looks like it should have an S associated with it, which could be updated with ITSD, but it was rezoned for an S over the ERZD and then a conditional use for the car wash itself.

When?

What year?

In 1991, 1991.

Okay, so it does have an S.

It just all right, thank you so much.

All right, Commissioner Duval, second round of questions.

Yeah, let's have the applicant's representative up again.

So I bet you were not able to find that email uh about Canyon Creek Bluffs.

Uh not yet, no.

Okay.

Well, that is because uh that was my mistake.

I mixed up my notes.

Um it looks like uh I'd gotten an email from the uh the council woman's staff, um, that they had spoken with the president of Canyon Creek Bluffs, Mr.

Don York, um, and their understanding was that Canyon Creek Bluffs was not going to object to the project.

Um so have you or has as I guess to staff as well, um, have either of you guys received any formal opposition or support from either of the two HOAs?

Um I received an email that was forwarded by Blanco Bluffs, but it wasn't I don't know if they were forwarding a community like someone from the neighborhood, because the address provided was from the neighborhood, um, but nothing coming specifically from Jessica, who was uh sent the original email stating that blanco bluffs themselves are opposed.

Yeah, I I just recall I I know that you f uh forwarded a number of emails to the property manager for the HOA.

Yes, where they they were non-responsive.

That's at least what I saw before.

Yeah, basically she just said received, I'll put present it to the board and we'll let you know what they say.

And I I hadn't heard anything.

We're happy to attend any meetings.

Um, but we had not heard anything.

Okay, um, one more question for staff um before I let you go, but uh noise.

We've talked about the noise ordinance before on other projects.

Um, how does the noise ordinance apply to car washes?

Um so again, like if you were to do an NR, it wouldn't really do anything for the car wash because that's for like amplified speaker like noise, like music and stuff like that.

Um, so other than that, there's nothing associated with C2 specifically that would restrict noise or reduce it.

So, generally the city has a a noise ordinance.

I don't know if uh someone somebody else uh maybe maybe which is regulated by SAPD.

Got it.

Okay, and and what generally, you know, how would the noise ordinance work to it would be basically a certain uh noise decibel uh certain period of time, but again, that is again regulated by SAPD.

Sure, sure.

But I mean, just uh one of the um members of the community came with concerns about sound.

So I just wanted to be able to get that information on the record for them of of you know what what aspect, so SAPD, not development services would be the regulating body.

Uh, but could somebody help me out with looking up, you know, what what are those decibel limits so that if say the the resident wanted to get a decibel meter or something like that, they could make sure that they're uh maybe if somebody could help me look for that, that would be great so we could you know address that concern.

Um because I mean it does seem like right the S for special use authorization is additional scrutiny for car washes.

I'm sure one of the concerns why the council required a special use authorization in C2 is noise, uh but because it would be addressed through the noise ordinance, it would be nice to you know how many decibels they could actually meet.

But I'll let other commissioners uh so when you look at Article 3 noise of chapter 21, which is the city code section.

So it's not in the UDC, it's a completely different section of the city code.

Um what I'm pulling up is the decibel level on business zone property uh should not exceed 70 decibels.

And that's measured from the business property, measured from the adjacent properties.

And and then keep in mind that applies only during certain hours as well, it's not all the time.

Got it.

But it's so if somebody were to want to enforce the noise ordinance, they'd have to go and take a decibel reading on the adjacent property.

Is that right?

Yes.

All right, thank you.

All right, thank you so much, Commissioner Duval.

Uh questions to my left.

Seeing none.

Questions to my right?

Seeing none.

All right, the public hearing is closed.

Commissioner Duval, to you, as this is a district nine case for discussion and potential motion.

So uh you will have heard that they opened up another uh car wash not far down Blanco Road, much closer to to where I live.

It's actually directly across the street from the uh the synagogue that I that I walk to every week.

Um so I'm often across the street from it.

Um and when the applicant was applicant's representative was talking about the noise, it did strike me that actually, yeah, I've never noticed it over the sound of traffic on Blanco Road since our synagogue's on the other side of the street from the from the car wash.

Um, so you know uh I think the the that um has been addressed um as you know per the Saws report um the issue of water pollution or contamination, I think has been addressed by some of the mitigation measures that the applicant has agreed to.

Uh I want to just mention on the issue of uh uh competition.

Um it would seem to me that that's not really the purview of the zoning commission.

Um whether whether or not the applicant thinks that they can you know make money in competition with all the existing car washes seems to me to be you know their problem, not really our problem.

Um if the market doesn't support it, then they they won't be successful.

But I don't think that's the role of the the zoning commission to decide if it's a good business model or not.

Um but you know, with all due respect to the to the residents who came out today and to those who submitted voicemails and emails.

Um I think that the concerns about um noise and the concerns about environmental degradation, I think have been addressed with this project.

Um so and uh and also to mention the fact that the uh there's another car wash a couple of uh lots away, um, is actually I think more reason to say why it's an appropriate place uh to have a car wash because there's already an existing car wash that's been operating for you know 40 years or something like that.

So with that, um I will be moving to recommend approval um of the item.

All right, there's a motion for approval of item number eight.

Is there a second?

I'll second.

Uh second by Commissioner Hina Hosa.

All right, discussion looking left.

Seeing none discussion looking right.

Yes, Commissioner Hina Hosa.

Uh just say that I mean obviously I'm gonna support this motion uh just because yeah, it seems like a lot of car washes.

But hey, at least the kids are not out there with amonggetors.

Just kidding.

Um, but uh yeah, for zoning purposes, my my biggest thing is it's it's not upgrading, it's gonna maintain a C2 status with the you know with the car wash on there.

So uh it's not something that's gonna be drastically changing, but um, since zoning does go with with land use and does follow that.

Uh, but that'll be me.

Thank you.

All right, thank you so much.

Any further discussion, right?

Alright, briefly uh last word.

Uh I'm actually gonna pose the motion uh because I don't think it's competition.

I think the right word and punis intended is saturation.

Uh we frequently look at the saturation of similar uses, uh, whether it's car sales and things of that nature.

Uh that can be viewed uh, you know, depending on a case-by-case basis.

And in this case, I have concerns about changing zoning uh that runs with the land uh for a use where within a couple of hundred feet is already existing uses.

There's the exact same vendor two miles down the road and three others uh within that space.

So the motion is for approval of item number eight by Commissioner Duval with the second by Commissioner Hina Hosa.

Roll call vote, please.

Commissioner Duval?

Aye, Commissioner Hinohosa?

Yes.

Commissioner Kellum?

Yes.

Commissioner Losef?

No.

Commissioner Pete Rodriguez?

Yes.

Commissioner Huey.

No.

Commissioner Sipes?

No.

Commissioner Kelly.

Yes.

Commissioner Woodsett.

Yes.

Commissioner Pana?

No.

Chair Busamantha?

No.

Motion carries.

All right.

All right.

Uh you will be going on to city council.

You'll have six months to do so.

Uh for those people who showed up, you still have the opportunity to voice your objections at City Council.

I would recommend to the applicant that you continue outreach.

Uh and good luck to you.

All right.

We are now moving on to item number six, please.

I have the right to do so.

Sorry.

Yeah, I need a time for it now.

I can't help you.

You can ask for a continuance, you can do something else.

Good afternoon, Alexa Ratana, zoning planner with development services.

Item number six is located at 9330 Northeast Loop 410, going from C2 and ACD commercial non-alcoholic sales district with the conditional use for truck repair and maintenance facility to C2 and ACD commercial non-alcoholic sales district with a conditional use for truck repair and maintenance facility with the major site plan amendment with all overlays staying the same.

There are 23 notices sent out, three in favor, one opposed within 200 feet.

Eastgate neighborhood association is opposed and outside the 200 feet.

There are eight in favor and 15 opposed.

The existing C2 and ACD commercial non-alcoholic sales district with the conditional use for truck repair and maintenance facility is an appropriate zoning for the property and surrounding area.

They proposed C2 and ACD commercial non-alcoholic sales district with the conditional use for truck repair and maintenance facility with the major site plan amendment is also appropriate.

The applicant intends to maintain the current zoning but is required to go through the rezoning process to accommodate a major site plan amendment since they are proposing an increase in the building square footage from the original 5,000 square feet.

Sorry, I was gonna tell you, ma'am, you can go straight out that door to the restroom if that's what you're doing.

From the original 5,000 square foot footprint to 15,000 square feet.

The nature of the use will be consistent with what has existed on the property since the previous rezoning in 2016 and is compatible with the surrounding properties along interstate loop 410.

While there are existing residential properties to the East, there will be required building setbacks and landscape buffering along the portion of the property that abuts the residential lots.

Staff recommends approval, and the applicant is here to answer any questions, and there will be a major site plan amendment.

Okay, thank you so much.

Is the applicant or applicant's representative present?

Mr.

Gallegos.

In what looks like possibly a tussle or a hug?

Uh could be other one.

Thank you.

Thank you, everyone.

All right, Ms.

Gales, come on up.

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.

My name is José Gallegos.

I reside at 214 West Academy, San Antonio, Texas, and uh in the very proper district five of the city of San Antonio.

Uh I'm here today.

I'm not gonna belittle uh overlay the the case.

Uh this is a pretty cut and dry case.

This is uh a case that is not uh change in zoning but a um uh site planned amendment, a major site planned amendment because it would constitute one small change from the original downzoning that occurred 10 years ago, would constitute a major site plan amendment.

Uh I would be remiss uh Mr.

Chairman, if I would not first of all thank and recognize uh your commissioner um Ms.

Losoff for uh participating in our community uh meeting yesterday as well as uh uh city staff in the in the name of Kelly Shepherd.

So thank you both for participating in our community meeting.

We had a ninety-five-year-old resident uh honorable members of the commission that attended our community meeting yesterday.

He was in support um of our application.

He has resided in the neighborhood for the last 70 years.

The gentleman is 95 years old.

Regrettably, he was not able to be here this afternoon.

I had wanted him very much to be here.

Uh however, he was not here.

That we took note of the concern that the residents had, and uh to that fact we uh amended the site plan even more.

We uh pushed it back towards the west side of the property, uh, an additional five feet, which now has a total of 55 feet set back from the back rear property line.

In addition to that, there has shrubberies in the back, um has shrubberies on the back front.

The entire property uh was subjected to a um irrigation and a site plan as well.

Um I'd like to point out to you that one of the concerns is has been that the trailers would be going into the residential area.

Ladies and gentlemen, there are signs that are posted very very prominently uh all along those streets.

It would prohibit those uh trailers from going in there.

The extent of this trailers, they come in, they get fixed, they get repaired, and then they leave from there.

Uh so there would not be any in grass or e-grass into the neighborhood.

Uh Mr.

Alvarado has been there since 1983, conducting this same type of business, and submit to you that this is a straight out land use, and I think a good and proper zoning.

Thank you very much for your time and your attention.

I pray that you will see just in granting the application.

Thank you very much.

All right, thank you, Mr.

Gayles.

All right, public comment.

I promise I'll get your name right.

I apologize.

Ms.

Alanis, if you'd say your name and your address for the record, please.

Sylvia Alanis, 830 Studs Drive.

I am the president of Eastgate Neighborhood Association for 20 years.

This is my last year that I'll be able to see any zoning.

I've seen them all.

Okay.

Um I do know, I'm sorry.

Um, Commissioner, I do know Jaden, but me and Jalen, we uh he has business, it's strictly business.

We know ourselves personally, but uh he takes his job seriously and I do too.

Okay, so it has nothing to do with him.

I have some pictures here that I want to mention real quickly.

Uh Mr.

Alvarado Ray is from the trucking company, he's come to my house.

We have talked.

Um the front of his building has like four of the stalls.

I'm gonna call it stalls where the trucking can go, but then he has them outside, that's why he wants to build more.

He got uh more business, right?

And to put more building on the side and the other side.

Um I have been trying for years to get rid of this uh industrial machines because that's what you call it.

Um the 18 wheelers, they keep coming into our neighborhood.

I'm not saying it's his customers, but when the freeway, the 10 and the and the portan, they're fixing it, they come, they try to get a shortway cut, and as you can see, there's some eight uh 18 wheelers right there.

They still come into our little neighborhood, and we're having a 20 million dollar project bond money to have us our drainage and stuff.

These trucks are not our neighborhood is too little.

So we're opposing this.

It means that Mr.

Alvarado needs more space, and he needs to go to the industrial site, not into our neighborhood.

Thank you.

Thank you, Ms.

Alanis.

Next.

And that is it for public comment on this item.

All right.

Uh Mr.

Gaygles, do you want a brief rebuttal?

Where did there you go?

He left his hat up here.

I thought he might have disappeared.

Still here.

I also like to uh introduce the property owner, Mr.

Alvarado, who would like to say uh words.

Nope.

If someone has a question, they can ask him, but since you were the representative, we generally try to limit limit it to one person to speak on behalf of the applicant.

Okay.

So, any rebuttal.

I'm sorry?

Brief rebuttal, sir.

There's no rebuttal, Your Honor.

Uh thank you, Judge.

Not a judge.

Uh Mr.

Chairman, uh, the only rebuttal that I have is that I pray that you all conduct good and proper zoning, that you vote for good and proper zoning.

Okay.

Uh again, this is uh a business that has been established since 1983.

Is a small businessman who is trying to make a living.

Employees, 14 employees, provide to the economy of the city of San Antonio.

Thank you very much for your time.

All right, thank you, Mr.

Gallos.

Alright, this is a district 2K, so Commissioner Lose of to you for questions.

Thanks.

Can I invite the uh property owner to come up?

Say whatever you want to say, Mr.

Alvarado.

Hello, my name is uh Reyes Alvarado.

I own Texas Truck Shop.

Um, all I want to do is make good use of the property that I do have.

I don't want to buy any more property.

All I want to do is make good uh good working conditions for my employees.

Uh I don't want them to work on the cold on the heat and the rain because when I built my shop, it was 35 years ago, and I only built it 50 foot wide.

Well, back though those days the trailers were 48 foot wide.

Now they're 57 foot wide.

They don't fit in the shop anymore.

I don't want to make a good make my get my employees good working conditions and be able to fit those big trailers in the shop.

That's what I want to do.

I don't want to make I don't need more business.

I already have plenty of business, and these trucks they don't go back there in the back of the neighborhood because they don't fit.

They're too big.

And truck drivers know a lot better to go back in the small streets and get back in there and try to turn them around because they're not willing to be able to.

And I see in the picture of some guy that you showed sitting in the back of a truck.

That's a guy that's trimming the trees in the neighborhood.

So he belongs there.

So that's that's false information right there.

She's giving you.

So that's all I got to say for you guys.

Thank you, Mr.

Alvarado.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Um, I had a question for staff.

So I know, yes.

Um, there is a lot of support and opposition shared on this project.

I think you also talked directly to some of the neighbors.

Can you share um the summary of what all the engagement looked like from city DSD staff and also property owners to the neighbors on this project?

Yeah, so city staff melt out um the city notices to property owners within the 200 feet.

Um I will say that most of the opposition and support that we received uh came directly from both parties.

So the neighborhood association and then the applicant's representative and the applicant uh canvassing the neighborhoods on their own.

So all of the uh I think all but one of the responses that we received were directly from support or opposition petitions.

Perfect.

Thank you.

And then can I get the um property owner back up again?

Sorry to make you sit down.

Can ask my question as you're coming up.

I just wanted to get some clarity on the intended use for the property.

Last time we heard this item, there was questions around if the if you expect the amount of business and amount of trucks you repair to increase due to the site plan, or if or if there's another use for it, but if you could clarify what your hope is for these.

I don't understand what you're saying.

Last time we had questions from the commissioners about if this amended site plan that you submitted, will you expect it to increase your work amount?

So I wanted to see if you could clarify if that's your intention.

No, no, no, no.

It's not about increasing my business.

It's about giving my employees good working conditions right now.

They're working in the hot sun, the cold weather, the rain, they have no choice.

The trailer don't fit in the shop, it's too small.

That's what it's all about.

It's not about more business.

I have plenty of business, and uh I just don't want any more business because I can't handle it.

So that's what I got to say about that.

That's helpful.

And then one more thing.

Um, just want to clarify the trucks.

Can you tell us where the trucks can enter and exit on this property.

They come in through the front, front gate.

They gotta I got a 45-foot gate in the front.

They come in there, we turn them around in there, and then they exit out.

They don't back out into the street at all.

That's just uh uh no no rule for my shop.

We've never uh blocked this traffic outside to get out or to get in.

We get plenty of room to get in there and get out.

We keep it that way.

We don't that's why we don't take in more business that we have because we need room to turn our trucks around in there.

Yeah, that sounds good.

Thank you.

I'm good on questions for now.

All right, thank you, Commissioner Lose.

Questions to my left?

Yes, Commissioner Duble.

Uh maybe for the applicant's representative or for the applicant.

Um, I I looked at uh Google maps on uh Stutz, Stutz Drive, which is the uh in the residential neighborhood right over from your property.

Um I can see just from Google Street View that you guys have a existing wrought iron fence, yeah.

Um I see on your proposed site plan uh that you proposed putting in some shrubbery uh but didn't propose making any changes to the wrought iron fence.

No, I do have shrubbery.

I do have shrubbery.

Well, but that that draw we had we did get out of, it dried up some of my shrubs.

Uh so um my next step is to replace the dried up shrubbery right now.

I uh sorry I'm wondering if uh anyone can considered making improvements to the wrought iron fence for uh noise containment or uh, yeah, I mean like a wrought iron fence you can see through, so putting screening for the benefit of the homeowners who are well that's the reason I want to expand my building, keep everything inside, keep the noise inside.

That way we don't have to work outside, disturb our neighbors.

If I put everything indoors, that problem goes away.

So I I guess uh let me ask the question this way would would you guys uh would you uh be in strong objection to making improvements to the fence for screening for the benefit of the whatever it is?

Whatever they do, we'll do it.

Um and then uh uh also last meeting, as Commissioner uh Losef said, we had talked about how the increase in the square footage would allow for increased capacity.

Am I understanding correctly today that you're clarifying that that was not the intent?

The intent is not to use that maximum capacity.

At that time, to me, it seemed like he would lead me in that direction, wanting me to say that I was going to increase my business.

That's not what it's all about.

It's about giving my work my employees good working conditions only.

That's it.

That's why I'm here.

Okay, that other stuff, they led me into it.

I I think that was me.

Oh, that's that's what you did.

But no, no, that that's a a very important clarification.

Um uh to staff quickly, uh, the point of a major site plan amendment.

Um, it doesn't have to do with the intent of the intensity of the use, it only has to do with the increase in the capacity, correct?

The increase in the square footage, yes.

So that the capacity, all right.

Uh, but uh in as a commission just procedurally, as a commission when we're reviewing the site plan amendment, we still can consider the applicant's you know intent for that.

I mean it's still relevant for the analysis, right?

I'm sorry, kind of rephrase the question.

What are you in planning?

So I mean, the the site plan amendment is required because of the increase in the square footage.

Correct.

But as a commission, when we're reviewing the proposal for the major site plan amendment, it's certainly relevant to us to consider the intent of the applicant in increasing that square footage, isn't it?

Correct.

Correct.

Thank you.

That's it for me.

Thank you, Commissioner Duval.

Questions to my left.

Yes, Commissioner, what's that?

Just a quick clarification.

So if he was just increasing it 500 square feet, he'd still have to be going through this process.

Yes.

Okay.

All right.

To my left.

Questions?

Seeing none.

Questions to my right.

Yes, Commissioner Heena, also.

Uh just for clarification uh for myself.

Walk not necessarily walk me through this, but you're adding on the site plan.

Can you get a pointer?

And just remind me again, maybe just my eyes.

What that area to the right is what you're thank you.

Thank you, yes.

Can you point at the additional usage that you're gonna build or the building is you're gonna add?

On the big yeah, okay.

So that's the that's gonna be the new addition right here.

And the existing building is right there to the left, correct?

Building is that one right there.

So we'll have this here and then this area over here again and what is that area I'm sorry what is that area another bay uh that's gonna be not necessarily what what uh the intent is uh commissioner is that now uh those doors we have bay doors right here uh all in the back and in the front there's if I'm not mistaken I believe it's a total of four four doors four garage doors here in front yes I can see on Google maps and I drove by the area at the end but I but what what on the left side what is that that is going to be three base base and what what the intent is that the trucks will be able to go in here okay in this area and go in through here would be going into this area and this is the area that they're going to be worked on.

Gotcha and then the because what I see on Google maps the entrance is on that the frontage road of of 410 right there is that the only entrance you have or do you have another entrance like for small cars?

No sir that is the only entrance to the property any ingress and egress is done right there.

Okay okay right there in front and it has a by you said how long 45 four forty five foot approach or driveway there.

Okay and there's a couple questions so when you remind me when you're when you work on the on the trucks do they come in by appointment do records bring them in is it a mixture sometimes sometimes appointment but sometimes they just drop in but they we only have like five accounts and we want to service those trucks only once in a while we get somebody walking off the street because uh they have like a sad story that uh they broke down they got a family with them so we do what we can help them out.

Well other than that we only work with a few trucks and we try to control the flow in the flow out so we don't get so uh congested so cluttered up I want to be able to go in but the my coach will be able to go in turn around the front and head back out without any problem otherwise we're not be able to do that stuff okay thank you so much well thank you right any further questions to my right second round to my left yes commissioner lose of uh can I get uh Miss Salanese set yes thank you so I know you represent the neighborhood association as the president um and I wanted to confirm if you all in the neighborhood association understood that I guess I want to know if it was communicated that you the intent for the site was not to expand the use and just to provide shade for the workers.

Yes it was explained to them when they were signing the the petition that there were uh that he wanted to to put uh instead of working outside with the people that we wanted to put more stalls that's what I call it so they would understand that um uh instead of parking them outside this man needs more space that's all I can say and instead of parking them outside of his facility where there's a big driveway in the front that's all the ingress and ingress that he has so I I have seen them that they're full and he has them right there so I mean he's working he has overload what what he really has four stalls well nice to but you have more work and more work and he's mentioned to me in the past that he's wants to buy this lot and this lot and and chair between his sons so he has more intentions later on.

But we're a small neighborhood.

Come on, leave us alone.

Thank you.

Yeah, thank you.

Is there any more questions?

Uh this is gonna be both for yourself and also for the owner, but the there had been conversation that the the increase amount of covered space was because the size of the trucks have increased over time.

Was that communicated to the neighborhood association?

Um thank you.

I'm gonna ask the property owner.

Can you explain a bit more about that if the the shading is intended for this is something that got said at some point, and I just want to get clarity that the trucks themselves are increasing in size over the time that you guys have been there?

Yes.

Um I built my shop 35 years ago.

35 years ago, the trailers were 48 foot long only.

They're 57 foot long now, they don't fit in anymore.

I need to expand my building.

I can't expect them to work outside in the sun, the cold, the rain.

We got no choice.

Time has changed everything.

And that lady knows it.

I told her, I explained it to her, Mr.

Alvarado, please don't point or address anyone else but this commission.

Thank you.

Thank you, sir.

Yeah, but that answered my question.

Thank you.

All right.

Any further questions to my left?

Commissioner uh Douval.

To the uh HOA uh representative.

Could you come on up again?

So I I asked the applicant um earlier about the uh the wrought iron fencing.

Um and asked about screening or maybe you know raising it or putting in noise buffering.

Um I don't know if you live on stuts or somewhere else.

No, Commissioner, I haven't heard none of the residents complain about noise in his property.

Oh, I uh the the fence is good.

I I saw him put it up.

Good.

Okay, that resolves it.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Any further questions left?

Seeing none.

Questions right.

Seeing uh Commissioner Pete Rodriguez.

Ms.

Can you right down the street?

What what is that?

Right on the other side, uh, I guess right there in the corner.

Uh I'm looking at it on Google Maps.

Looks like there's another shop there.

With 18 wheelers, that one right there.

Yeah.

Is that the trucks that uh I think they carry cement?

I I think I have a picture of that where they make cements.

Well, anyway, um trucking company, uh Commissioner Shaw, William Chaw, he was our city council at the time.

So I guess these people went and talked to Mr.

Chaw, and then it passed.

See, there's cases that's not my fault.

Thank you.

Um the pictures that you provided, uh you say that there's 18 wheelers going through your neighborhood.

Yes, yes.

Which are I didn't see 18 wheelers, I saw like tow truck.

No, I have more pictures, but I just didn't bring them all, you know, but there's pictures and I've shown that to the bond committee.

You know, how those pictures would have been helpful here.

Um yes.

Because those tow trucks are allowed on city streets.

But this is nothing personal.

This is business.

I'm taking care of a neighborhood that I'm gonna leave, but I still live there.

Alright, thank you.

No further questions.

All right, any further questions?

Right.

Hearing none, seeing none.

All right, Commissioner Lose, up to you for discussion and potential motion.

The public hearing is closed.

Thank you.

Okay.

Uh thanks all for the info.

Um it's a little tricky because I think we have both neighborhood support and opposition.

Last time you guys were in front of this commission with this case, I had asked for neighborhood outreach and you did that.

So I do appreciate that.

But we like to have everyone on board, especially in the neighborhood.

Um, so I think with all the information given, I appreciate the adjustments made to address neighborhood concerns.

I also think between last time we heard this item two weeks ago and today, there have been differently communicated intentions.

Initially it sounded like there was an intent to expand work.

Now it sounds like it's just to protect workers.

Sorry, to expand the amount of work to be able to done.

Now it sounds like it's about shade for workers.

I think those are two very different things.

Um it still doesn't seem like there's wide scale support from the neighborhood association at least, which is usually pretty important.

So um I am going to motion for continuance.

I, if possible, would like to ask a process question since this is the second continuance.

Please go ahead.

Okay.

Since this is the second continuance, would it have the option to the applicant could decide to accept the denial?

Answer that if you want.

Yes.

So uh once two continuances have occurred.

Uh an applicant has the opportunity or or can choose the option to take a deemed denial or deemed recommendation of denial from this body.

Okay.

Um so I'm going to motion for continuance, and I will say this.

The intent of the continuance is for folks to get on the same page and for there to be very clear intention about the site plan.

So the continuance would be for that purpose.

If my fellow commissioners don't feel that that's going to change, that's fine, they can vote that way, but that is my intention here.

Um, and I would want to make sure we would have meetings and coordination and agreements because ultimately it doesn't seem like the neighbors are getting the same information that ourselves on the commission are getting.

So I motion for a continuance to the July 7th meeting.

Alright, is there a second?

Going once, going twice.

Gone.

All right.

Uh floor is open for a motion.

I would like to make a motion for approval.

Alright, there's a motion for approval second.

Uh of item number six, uh, with the amended site plan.

Is that correct?

Correct, yes.

Okay.

Uh so that would be my friendly amendment for that.

Uh, Commissioner Heenosa, is that friendly amendment okay?

Yes.

Okay.

All right.

So the motion for is for uh approval as amended for item number six uh by Commissioner Pete Rodriguez with a second by Commissioner Hina Josa.

Uh discussion to my right.

Yes, Commissioner Pete Rodriguez.

I'll let Commissioner go first.

Commissioner Hina also.

Yes.

Um I thank you, Chair.

Uh I think uh I think we need to get this uh passed.

I I see the neighborhood's uh position on this and I understand it.

Um and I noticed that the pictures would have been great to have here at zoning.

Um I have my opinion is those 18 wheelers you're probably seeing are not from this because if if I'm if I'm gonna take my 18 wheeler, which I don't have, but uh to this shop, I'm probably gonna stay on the access road.

And when I leave, I'm probably gonna stay on the access road.

Because when I drove it, I mean we all know that huge thing they're building.

I mean it's I I I wouldn't, especially most people just use GPS, and I think I I tried with GPS and it took me on the access road.

So I don't think it's gonna go into the neighborhood, not saying it won't.

I could be wrong, but I don't think there's no other exit or entrance to this facility, so it's not like there's gonna be a gate left open on the back or the side.

This is the entrance in the front.

Um the intention, no matter the intention, I'm I'm thinking about this as far as land use.

This is on the access road, this is his business.

He's been there for 35 years, I think.

But belief he said, you know, he's gonna provide cover.

That's not really important here, but the point is I I think uh I'm I'm gonna uh I'll be supporting this because of the I didn't hear, I mean, that you said there was the the raw interference is is is is up, it's good, it's solid, there's no noise complaints.

I think the issue is just hey, we're gonna expand a little bit here.

Um, but I'll be supporting this uh for that.

But I do understand the neighborhood.

I think that's important, but I think there are probably other battles that could be fought.

All right, all right.

Thank you, Commissioner Pete Rodriguez.

Uh the reason I'm recommending your approval is because uh it's been there a very long time.

It's been there for 35 years, and with progression, uh like Mr.

Avaro said, the trucks are getting longer, and and what he's trying to do is he's trying to do right by his employees by giving them shade and warmth in the winter, shade in the summer.

Um he's not gonna be doing anything different, though uh his workload is not going to increase.

He's under contract with five five contracts, he said.

So I don't believe that there's gonna be more.

Um but I believe that uh with these uh add-ons, I think he'd be able to get the trucks out faster.

Um so thank you.

Alright, thank you.

Any further comment or discussion to my right?

Seeing none to my left discussion, yes, Commissioner Double.

At the last meeting, uh we had when the applicant responded that it would increase potentially increase the their maximum capacity by 50%.

That definitely gave me pause.

Um, but uh I want to remind the whole commission the purpose of the major site plan amendment.

When you increase you know the square footage with a conditional use authorization, you gotta go through this process.

Uh but given now the clarification of the intent for uh occupational safety and workplace safety for the employees to be able to get them out of the sun.

Um, it seems uh, you know, would be uh not fair uh to the applicant uh to prevent them from being able to make those improvements to their facility in light of their stated intent to not you know increase uh the intensity of the use, but rather, you know, just to improve the conditions for their employees.

So with that I'll be supporting the motion.

All right, discussion left.

All right, very good.

Uh I'll take the last word.

Uh there are basically four reasons I'm supporting this motion.

One is location, it's at I-10 and 410.

Uh it's not using an inappropriate amount of the overall space on that land.

Uh there's no complaints uh regarding the noise.

Uh the out the noise the neighborhood representative admitted that she didn't think the eighteen wheelers were coming from this location, and the only egress and ingress are from the 410 or 10 side of this.

Uh so it's going out on an access road.

And for that reason, I will also be supporting the motion.

All right.

The motion is for approval as amended for item number six by Commissioner Pete Rodriguez with a second by Commissioner Hinojosa.

Roll call vote.

Commissioner Pete Rodriguez.

Yes.

Commissioner I knowosa.

Yes.

Commissioner Kellum.

Yes.

Commissioner Losa?

Yes.

Commissioner Huey.

Aye.

Commissioner Sipes.

Yes.

Commissioner Kelly?

Yes.

Commissioner Duval.

Aye.

Commissioner Woodsett?

Yes.

Commissioner Pana?

Yes.

Chair Mustamante?

I motion carries.

All right.

Thank you so much.

Uh, we are going to move on to uh item number three.

Uh for those who are present for item number two.

Uh the applicant's representative uh needed to go to another hearing.

Uh if we can get through these next ones quickly, and she has not returned, uh, we will deal with that.

If she is present, then we will take up item number two.

Because I'm feeling generous.

It's good.

All right, good afternoon, Commissioners.

Uh Forrest Wilson, principal planner with development services.

Item number three, located at 5995 Heath Road is a request from C1, like commercial district to C2NA commercial non-alcoholic sales district with all overlays remaining the same.

Forty 42 notices were mailed, zero in favor, two opposed.

Misty Oaks neighborhood association gave no response.

Outside 200 feet, uh, we received one opposed.

The the existing C1 like commercial district is appropriate for both the subject property and the surrounding area.

It is compatible with the proposed indoor sport court use and provides an effective transition to the R6 residential single family district to the south.

Uh unlike C2 zoning, which has no building size restrictions, C1 restricts individuals individual structures to 5,000 square feet.

The limitation is important for maintaining neighborhood scale as it helps prevent the development of larger, more intense structures that may be incompatible with the adjacent residential uses.

Additionally, the presence of a floodplain on the property may create site accessibility challenges that will need to be addressed during development.

The applicant has submitted a revised conceptual site plan that includes 25-foot landscape buffers and a consolidated building layout.

Staff does recommend denial and the applicant's representative is present.

Yeah, a different finger.

Um good afternoon, Chairman, Commissioners.

Emily Weissler with Killin Griffin and Fairman, one-on-one a run reunion place suite 250.

Um we were here last month with this case.

Um I will give you a brief overview, but really wanted to focus on what we have been doing over the last month.

Um this property is just over just over four acres.

You can keep going, Samantha.

Thank you.

It is currently zone C1.

We are proposing an indoor racket sports facility, pickle and paddle primarily.

That use is permitted by right in C1.

The purpose of our zoning request to C2NA is to allow for a larger building size.

And I will show you the work that we've done on our kind of conceptual layout based on all the feedback that we have done and received with the community.

This property is in the Northwest Community Plan that's an older plan adopted in 2011.

This area's low density residential.

The property, it's C1 designation is not consistent with that low density residential.

But planning commission did unanimously recommend approval of the plan amendment to community commercial, which is consistent both with the current and proposed commercial zoning.

If you will that's fine.

So with the community responses and concern of noise, lighting, increased landscape buffering, if you will go to the next one.

A lot of our conversations, particularly the last few weeks, have focused on a consolidated building.

This is on the large end of that scale.

Realistically, this building is going to be smaller.

There are going to be less courts in here.

This is just to show kind of a maximum square footage of that building.

But this, and I quite frankly think this is a little more parking than would ultimately be needed.

This is a lot of parking, but to show that our goal with the C2NA, and to meet those requests, the neighbors is to consolidate into one singular racket ball, pickle paddle, racket, sport, one singular facility that has room for people to wait in and off the courts.

Again, this is non-this has the NA, so no alcohol there, but strictly sport and camaraderie here, and create increased buffers and increased building separation on all of it.

I mean, we have 180, 150 feet on each side, but also increase the north and south buffering.

Right now, with this building, which will quite frankly likely be smaller.

Architects tend to get a little carried away.

This will likely be much smaller.

But this is well over 60 feet from either property lying on the north and the south.

This has been an interesting community engagement process.

The Misty Oaks board has transitioned.

They still have a registered liaison for their neighborhood.

We have reached out to her.

We have had lots of conversations with Ms.

Cardinius.

And then there is a new board.

On Monday, had a whole conversation about this project.

We hosted a community meeting at the District 6 field office on Tuesday.

We did receive since this meeting has started a response from Ms.

Nancy, who is the registered representative of Misty Oaks neighborhood, that they are not opposed.

We've asked that that be sent to the city formally on their behalf.

But as we have gone through the process, I think we have built consensus around this being a reasonably scaled neighborhood recreational facility, a really good use of the property, get it cleaned up, and get something that the actual community can use.

Again, this is not a chicken and pickle situation, but just a neighborhood recreational racquetball facility.

Happy to answer any questions.

Thank you so much.

Thank you so much.

Is there any public comment?

Yes.

Ms.

Rose Ryan.

Good afternoon, commissioners.

I'm delighted to be here.

And I wanted to first thank you for your volunteer time to the city.

It's something very much needed, and we appreciate it as citizens very much.

My name is Rose Ryan, and I um reside at 7950 Clyde Dent Drive, and it is adjacent to this proposed project.

I have seven acres there.

My back door will be right there by the parking lot.

I know it's been a doctor's clinic for many years, and they're wanting to do something with it, but I think that uh there are better projects.

Um let me just go through my presentation real quick.

Our request is to preserve our neighborhood.

Our neighborhood is primarily over 95% low density residential.

Allowance of a rezoning of 5995 Heath to commercial would severely disrupt our neighborhood.

We have uh endangered species, the horn toad that lives there.

Uh, allowing commercial in this area would be disruptive not only to residents but to the natural habitat and wildlife.

At a previous meeting, uh, from what I read on internet uh, you know, on on this case before that came up on May 19th, it was our understanding that uh staff recommended denial of this upgrade to a commercial designation.

The neighbors concur with the denial uh of this um upgrade to a commercial property, and and the reason some of the reasons are light intrusion, noise pollution, endangered species, traffic congestion, disruption of neighborhood peace and quiet, impervious pavement uh with parking lots, inconsistency with the current low density single family residential designation for this neighborhood.

There are much better projects that are suitable, and I'm sure that uh as smart as the doctors are that own this property, that they could come up with something more conducive to our neighborhood.

I'm uh vehemently opposed to it because uh if you can see from the pictures that they showed earlier, um, it's right next to my property, literally, you know, 100 feet from my back door.

So uh all those lights, everything, it's just the noise.

Uh I'm I'm just perplexed at what to do, except come and make a uh honest, sincere appeal.

Pardon me.

I'd be happy to solicit uh a sign petition from the neighbors if that pleases the commission.

Uh, the Misty Oaks, as you heard from her uh the presenter, is uh is not very organized, and we unfortunately do not have a uh homeowners association.

We have about a hundred homes in that area and and no one to represent us, so I'm here doing it.

Thank you.

Thank you, Ms.

Ryan.

That's your time.

And that's it for public comment.

All right.

Brief rebuttal, brief rebuttal.

Brief, brief, brief.

Um, thank you, Commission.

Um, and thank you, Miss Ryan, for being here.

Um, this is property that is family owned.

Um, it is really important to Dr.

Rao to progress as father's legacy um in owning this property and giving something back to the community.

Um, it's been an OBGYN clinic for a very long time, um, and we're hoping to continue the the health functional use of this property.

Uh, again, the property is already zoned commercially, this is already zoned C1.

Um, the requested C2 is to allow us the flexibility to create the already permitted use of the indoor sport court um in a way that meets the needs and creates those buffers um that wouldn't otherwise be possible with the current zoning.

Thank you so much.

Alright, thank you.

Alright, this is a district six case.

Uh Commissioner Huey, to you for questions.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

Uh, for the applicant, please.

So uh did you recently receive uh support from the Misty Oaks HOA?

Yes, we did an email from Ms.

Cardanias that stated that, and I've asked her to um share that directly with the city staff as well.

But um that the association has reviewed um both the original and the updated site plans um and have no concerns or issues.

Okay, great.

And then as for future land use, uh we did you did get a um approval from the planning uh commission to amend this to uh community commercial, right?

Yes, sir.

Okay, great.

Um, if your client wanted to, could he build an apartment complex on that property right now without requiring zoning?

Yes, sir.

Why is he why wouldn't he do that?

Um he has no interest in um residential development, but with changes to state law, um MF 65, density up to 65 units per acre is permitted on this.

Um that is not um his passion.

Um his passion for the record is pickleball.

Um, and that's why he wants to do what he wants to do, but that is permitted by right, yes, sir.

Okay, I was just curious.

I'm sorry.

So um let's see, you got the conceptual site plan.

Um again, I want to thank you for meeting with the uh the residents uh last Tuesday.

Um I received notice of that committee.

Miss Ryan, I'm sorry.

If he he will call you up to ask questions, thank you.

Okay.

Uh let's see here.

Uh remind me your hours of operation, your proposed hours house operation.

Thank you.

Um, yes, um likely closer to eight, um, but seven a.m.

to 10 p.m.

hard stop.

Um this is membership and drop-in um buildings with multiple courts, but we would like to consolidate that to one.

So um standard hours of operation um correct.

Okay, great.

And then when I contacted the uh residents that um that were budding this property, they talked about concerns for you know intrusion lighting into the backyards.

Um, if I remember correctly, you were going to use downward facing lighting, is that right?

Yes, downward facing lighting, full cutoff, excuse me, full cut off uh dark sky compliant lighting.

Yes.

Okay, great.

And they also talked about noise uh from the um facility.

Can you talk to me about a little about what kind of insulation you would use to meet that?

Yes, so these will be um fully insulated acoustically dampened uh building.

Um that uh singular consolidation of the building also helps with noise, um but you will not even be able to hear the smacking of the ball from the parking lot.

Um, this will be a fully insulated property, fully insulated building, excuse me.

Okay, great.

Now, if we don't rezone this to C2, can he build outdoor uh courts?

He cannot build outdoor courts, he cannot build outdoor courts with the proposed rezoning either.

Indoor courts only is allowed in the current C1 and the C2.

Okay, great, thank you.

I don't have any more questions for you.

Uh Ms.

Ryan.

So you said you were not contacted.

That's correct.

I received the first letter uh from the attorney's office, and I call them three times.

I never received a return call, in part because I believe uh the lady that was just speaking was on Memorial Day vacation.

Um but the important thing that you need to know here, the whole commission, is that uh Misty Oaks is one whole neighborhood away from where all this uh is gonna impact the the homes.

If you look at one of her uh diagrams where you you uh show the all of the houses that are impacted on the back side, um, let's see.

Yeah, there you go.

Right there, that one with the yellow.

Okay, all those houses there.

None of them, they may have got received your first letter, I don't know because I haven't been able to uh walk uh block walk and talk to people.

I talked to a lot that were up on the other side uh and they didn't want this project either um but those are not in the Misty Oaks area those do not belong to Misty Oaks Homeowners Association so the impression is that Misty Oaks is saying yeah it's great well what about these folks they're not in Misty Oaks neither is my property my property see the red one that's a nursery just to the right those seven acres that's my house and unfortunately um my house is a couple hundred feet it's about 150 feet from where the parking lots and lights and everything is gonna go in and it's it's a complete disaster if you looked at the whole thing most of the area is all neighborhood we don't have athletic um uh things that that are right there and I just think this is a disastrous project for the people that are in that are impacted and they uh are not here to speak their mind we're getting a uh Misty Oaks which is a whole nother neighborhood away uh commenting on what's gonna happen not the people that it will impact but the people that are a whole neighborhood away it just uh it gives the guise of of uh acceptability and there is not acceptability from all of these folks here and I will be happy to come back to the commission with a petition to uh prove my fact thank you so much I appreciate it unless you had other questions thank you uh Ms.

Chair I'm gonna open it up to you the rest of my commissioners for questions thank you Commissioner Huey to my right questions seeing none to my left questions yes Commissioner Duble and then Commissioner Sipes so if we could keep it on on this page here um for staff uh the C three N A C D zoning um currently it's a plant nursery is that right give us gives just one second and well I mean why while while you all are looking it up it it does look like a make on Google image it's um it looks like a coffee shop and then yes a plant nursery.

So as I'm trying to get a sense of the uh potential zonings on this block what could somebody develop by right in the C3 zone.

Well they're gonna be your most intense uses so you're gonna have maybe a potential auto shop um auto sales the NA is there so that means there would be no alcohol sales so no bars um it could be still the like restaurants you know as I mentioned there's a coffee shop um but um liquor store other kind of retails um more commerce kind of uses and I mean that's a larger parcel like you could be looking at a shopping center size scale is it is that right as long as it yes as it long as it complies with setbacks and buffers um then there's a um c one I see to the what is that southeast of that C3.

That's more I mean that's the existing zoning on this parcel right that's the same more neighborhood low density correct but but then there's a little triangle of C4 zoning am I seeing that correctly it's a C one oh sorry okay good there's a thing as a C4.

Yeah C one.

But then there's an office park zoning across the street although isn't that open space it's on the L.

Yes there is a O2 as you go further down the street there.

Yes.

And I see a C2NA C D S.

Correct.

So I I suppose what I'm struggling with a little bit is um the staff recommendation refers to the comprehensive plan, talks about kind of the vision for uh low low density, low intensity commercial uses, but it looks like the surrounding zoning is calling for a lot more intensive commercial uses, even though it's largely still open space.

It's not being used for those more intense uses, but they could have more intense uses.

Which way is it?

You know, we we do want to make sure that we're being cognizant when um you're uh uh approving a change uh directly abutting residual uses in every case.

So that was our primary concern here.

But I suppose what I'm getting at with that is um if this was to increase from C one to C2, uh somebody so like uh what kind of uses would be allowed in C2, for example.

C2, um just a few extra the buildings would be allowed to be larger, hence the reason I believe for this change of zoning, um, but also permits um is not all auto repair, but it would permit like a muffler or um tire shop or something of that nature.

Glass tinting, tire repair, as you mentioned, gas stations, appliance sales and repair, um, drift stores, dry cleaning, for example.

Right, and uh so yeah, one of the things I've been struggling with, is that if you know, even if a pickleball is less intense than those uses, a subsequent owner would have the right to develop those more intense uses.

Correct.

And that would it's not like that would have to come back to the zoning commission to get those approvals.

Um I guess but but what I'm weighing against though when I'm trying to think it through is the C3, somebody could already have much more intense commercial uses on the adjacent property.

Um I mean again how it makes sense.

Okay, that one that I think so um that ordinance for that one doesn't seem does not readily available, so we'd have to do do some more digging to find that one.

But you know, the the base zoning is C3, so they would be allowed anything that's currently allowed under C3, but they're if they're doing expansion of the existing structures or anything there, that could potentially require uh major site plan amendment.

On that adjacent prosperity.

In order to use the C D, but are they allowed to just throw away the C D and build a C3?

Correct.

I think okay.

Um, all right.

Um and then the last question for me.

Uh the uh planning commission already heard the item.

Correct, and they recommended approval for the community commercial land use.

That's the higher intensity than the current correct.

And uh do you all have any insights into their discussion?

They thought I mean did they think it was sufficient buffering to the C3 or what what was their can you give us insights into what they were thinking?

They just felt that it was appropriate they were okay with the pickleball use.

Um I don't know if Chair Boostamonte if you uh if I'm missing anything from that meeting.

Um I'm gonna throw Mr.

Gomez under the bus.

Uh there was primarily um some issue with the report from staff regarding kind of sneaking one through, I think, or some language like that.

And once it was explained that um the usage planned through zoning uh C1 would be the same use, but just with bigger um with a bigger potential building size uh planning at that point felt community commercial was appropriate.

And he didn't say that.

He said what was it?

I forgot what that was.

I can't remember the word the word exactly, but it was a way to be some.

It was circumvent, circumvent, thank you, Ms.

Radon.

And I'm joking about throwing them under the bus.

That was just an unfortunate choice of words, but but that was primarily why planning had some concerns that were alleviated upon presentation.

Okay, thank you.

And then uh last question, um, did I hear correctly that Misty Oaks uh submitted a letter?

What did they take a position?

I it wasn't clear to me.

I'm happy to speak to that.

Um, yeah.

Um just for clarification, the green everything green is the Misty Oaks neighborhood association boundary with proximity to the neighborhood.

Um they followed up with me directly um stating that they had reviewed the updated site plan, had no issues or concerns with the request.

I have shared that um with city staff, and I've also asked them to formally submit their own independent response to city staff rather than just me forwarding the response myself.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Alright, thank you so much.

Any further questions to my left, Commissioner Sipes, I believe you had your hand up.

You know, believe it or not, most of them have been answered because they were about the allowable uses in C1 versus C2.

So, let's see.

I'll think of something really quick.

Oh, do we know when this when this when was this?

Come on, I gotta I gotta say something.

Um, I won't.

You're lucky.

It's it's more common.

I'll start with you next time.

It's more commentary.

Alright, left questions.

All right.

Further questions, right?

Seeing none.

All right, I'm gonna close it down for questions.

Public hearing is now closed.

Uh this is this is a district six case.

Commissioner Huey, to you for discussion and potential motion.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

So having lived in this neighborhood for over 36 years, uh, this property has been undeveloped, as far as I know, with the exception of the medical practice that you just can't see from the main road.

So, you know, I look at all the different uh types of uses that can be uh put on this property, and in my opinion, uh having a indoor pickleball court is probably the least intrusive.

And again, uh having discussions with the uh neighbors in Misty Oaks, and you know, hearing the uh the applicants um and what they plan to address those concerns satisfies my needs and my concerns, so uh at this time I move for approval.

There is a motion for approval of item number three by Commissioner Huey.

Is there a second?

Second by Commissioner Kellum, just because I was looking that way.

Um discussion to my right?

Discussion to my left, yes, Commissioner Sipes.

I'll also go to you next for questions.

No, I don't know, okay.

Fine.

Um, this is this is a uh difficult case.

I got to say that first this time.

Um, you know, and I and I I recognize my fellow commissioner who lives in the neighborhood.

Um I actually remember when this neighborhood was was built as well, since we both are around that area.

Um or were um and I think that's one of the reasons why along Heath Heath Road or Heath Lane, why you have this mix of uh um zoning.

Um I mean Misty Oaks was developed in the late 70s through the mid 80s, wasn't annexed until let's see, when we were re annexed, mid-80s, I think is when we got annexed.

Um, and so at that time you already had development.

And my primary concern is over what could go in the back areas.

Um, I see this on like what what happened uh closer to where I was off of uh like mainland and and Tetzel, where in the back areas is where all the more uh auto uses and everything kind of just crept in because it's kind of harder to get to.

You're not you're not you don't have frontage for a store for people to go by and and and see it, so it's like oh well, you know, the auto use is kind of crept in the area, and that's my main concern.

But I also see the opportunity of um an actual pickleball court actually keeping that from happening, and so I am still trying to decide which way I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna go.

Alright, thank you, Commissioner Sipes.

Uh Commissioner Duval, I believe you had your hand up.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

Um I think that this block has uh a bit of a crisis of identity.

Um y'all can see on the the map right now the the NP 10 zoning.

I looked it up, it's an old uh old zoning for like really protected residential, where you know the the zoning was seeking to protect really low density large property kind of residential.

Um having that right up on C3 is just like smack in the face contradiction.

Um, so I've I'm not really sure not what to make of it.

Um, but for me uh it is I think uh important that Misty Oaks is not in opposition to try to get a gauge for what the community sees the future.

Do they see it as MP 10?

Do they see it as C2?

Um so with that I'm I'm going to uh defer uh to Commissioner uh Kim to support his motion.

All right, any further discussion left?

All right.

Uh briefly, uh, I also will be supporting the motion.

I think in large part, um, because within a thousand or so feet, there are outdoor soccer courts that are even more intense.

Um, you know, I think Commissioner Duval's right that this is sort of a crisis of identity.

Uh Miss Weisler, I would encourage you, and I know you will reach out to Ms.

Ryan uh before city council should this motion pass.

Um so with that, the motion is for approval of item number three by Commissioner Huey with a second by Commissioner Kellum.

Roll call vote.

Commissioner Huey?

Aye.

Commissioner Kellum?

Yes.

Commissioner Losa?

No.

Commissioner I know Hosa?

Yes.

Commissioner Pete Rodriguez?

Yes.

Commissioner Sipes.

Yes.

Commissioner Kelly.

Yes.

Commissioner Duval.

Aye.

Commissioner Woods?

Yes.

Commissioner Pana?

Yes.

Chair Bustamante.

Aye.

Motion carries.

All right.

This is the time for our traditional break.

Um Des, did you get uh Commissioner Hina Hosa's absence?

Commissioner Hosa exited at 2 26 p.m.

and re-entered the boardroom at 2 29.

I was trying not to call people out individually for how much time, but I was gonna trust you.

Thank you so much.

Uh all right, we will stand in recess for approximately seven minutes.

Um we will return at approximately 302, and we are now in recess.

The time is 304, and this meeting of the zoning commission of the city of San Antonio is back in session.

Um, Commissioner Sipes and Commissioner Woodsett have already joined us.

Um, all right.

Our next item is gonna be item number four, please.

Good afternoon.

Joel Palima's zoning planner with development services.

Item number four is located at 12139 Jones Maltzburger Road, going from C3 General Commercial District to C3S, General Commercial District with a specific use authorization for auto paint and body repair with outside storage of vehicles and parts permitted but not totally screened from view of adjacent property owners and public roadways, with all overlays remaining the same.

19 notices were sent out, three received in favor, six opposed within 200 feet.

There is no registered neighborhood association within 200 feet of the property.

Outside 200 feet, seven were received in favor and one opposed.

Prior to the start of the meeting, the applicant submitted three retracted positions that were previously opposed within 200 feet, now in favor.

Outside storage of vehicles and parts permitted but not totally screened from view of adjacent property owners and public roadways is also not appropriate.

The property currently has a certificate of occupancy for auto and light truck repair, oil lube and tune up, and tire installation.

Use is permitted by right in the C3B zoning, but use is inconsistent with the adopted land use plan.

Although the site has frontage along Joan's Maltzburger Road, a secondary arterial, directly abutz a multifamily zoning district with established single family residential uses.

The proposed addition of auto pain and body repair operations at the revered property introduces a more intensive use.

According to the submitted site plan, a 34 foot 11-inch rear setback is proposed.

However, given its proximity to these residences, this distance is insufficient adequately, but for potential hazardous emissions and impact on the health and mobility of the neighborhood.

Therefore, recommend approval of this crest.

Would re would permit a more intense use that isn't compatible with and detrimental to the residential neighborhood?

The subject property is located within the Greater Airport Regional Center Plan adopted in 2025, and is currently designated as community commercial and a future land use component.

The applicant requested a plan amendment to regional commercial staff and planning commission recommended denial at the May 13th planning commission meeting.

Therefore, staff also recommends denial for the rezoning request.

The representative is here to answer any questions.

Before you leave, I just wanted a quick clarification.

You said the count was 19.

Three in favor, six opposed, and then you mentioned retractions.

Does that include that count include the three retractions or no?

Um the three in favor that I originally said it is not um include the three retracted.

Okay, very good.

Thank you so much.

All right.

Uh if we could have the applicant or applicant's representative, please.

Good afternoon.

I'm Fernando Ramirez.

Um, address 318 East Nacoma, San Antonio, Texas, 78216.

Mr.

Amidas, tell us briefly if you want about this request.

I was listening to her.

We client is wanting to use a paint booth.

That's it.

Add the paint booth to it, and we had some um people in the residential area that originally signed up for it say it was okay.

And then all of a sudden, one of them said no, and so they retracted.

So then the owners reached out to her, showed her the place.

You even got an inspector from the building department from the health department as to how those things work.

And so then she said, really, and so now she changed her mind and talked to her people, and this is in the back.

And they all agreed to sign back on again.

Okay.

All right, anything else?

Anything else for this part?

All right, and thank you, Mr.

Amirus.

Any public comment?

No public comment.

All right, thank you.

Yeah, Mr.

Minnesota, and I'll stay up there then.

All right.

Uh, this is a district nine case.

Commissioner Duble to you for questions.

Yes.

Uh staff, could you pull up the um checks and X's map?

Oh, yeah, the X's and O's.

So, uh, all right.

Um, to the to the applicant's representative.

Um, does this accurately reflect the current uh position of the the neighbors within 200 feet?

Yes, sir.

Okay, yeah.

Uh so we've continued this item a couple of times.

Yes, and uh uh at your request to get the support of the neighbors.

Correct.

Um, before you had indicated that there was uh one of the neighbors was a leader in the community, correct.

Um, and that uh you expected the other uh neighbors would um go along with her recommendation.

Yes, sir.

So there are still three um neighbors within three hundred feet uh that are not in support.

Would you like to explain what your what happened?

This happened really quick in the last week uh of her coming to visit and and getting together with the owners and everything, and that's why there's only three her and the other two, because the other three are on vacation for a week, and I was not going to.

I asked her about getting another continuant, and it says it's already been two, so we decided to be an honest about it.

Mr.

Ramirez can you please speak into the microphone when you're speaking I'm sorry no thank you I apologize.

Thank you Mr.

No you're welcome to to staff um Jewel if you'd come back up again for a second or I guess you can speak from there right sorry um so you had mentioned the uh concern about emissions um would you give a little bit more detail what w what concerns about emissions from the paint booths um without going into environmental details since it's not my purview but typically there are hazards associated with this type of use the applicant has stated that um they will be up to code on what state and federal regulations would allow for this specific use for auto paint embody um but we were just speaking in general because if it's not controlled there may be some possible effects to the neighborhood.

Thank you so back to the applicant's representative let's talk emissions yes so uh the paint booth is for for the painting right the for the painting of the cars and uh the what what makes the paint dangerous an environmental hazard there is no more lead paint number one number two the way it is done now say in the last 10 years or something and continuing is that they have um the extractor that takes the fumes out but they have filters and they have to keep up with the filters and the city of San Antonio Health Department and now they have a pollution department are very strict and they ri um they come over and they check everything every three months and there's over I said this before it's in front of you guys there's over a thousand of them in use in San Antonio all of their car dealerships have them and they're all specified to EPA standards and and in this situation she made a comment and my the client invited her over and actually introduced her to the inspector in the health department and after she did that and saw everything on both of them that's why she signed now that's why she so the uh paint booths are for the painting that's correct sir uh what about priming is priming done in the paint booth no all of that stuff is sanded and everything and then when the the vehicle or the fender or whatever it goes into the booth completely.

And what about the after coat?

After coat?

It's done inside there okay but not the priming everything is done inside the paint booth including the sanding because of the sand even though the things have the deal they use they everything is watched carefully right so the uh is it uh regulations that uh the priming and the aftercoat has to be applied within the paint booth or do you guys just or does the applicant just do that as a they they do that as a condition and then it and it and it is because they've been trained to do that and in speaking with with the inspectors and stuff that's how they learn all that and the inspectors will say okay you can do this over here in your in in the in the outside of the booth um you can do that over here or no you can't do this over here so what preparation uh before going into the paint booth oh um they do commercial repairs on vehicles like they have contracts with like prime and delivery, so they do that kind of stuff.

And so they'll have like a a fender, for example, what I have seen myself.

And they don't send a fender that's crumbled.

They replace the whole place.

And so that is the reason why it goes in to be painted because when the paint the offender or thing comes as a whole, doesn't come painted.

Right, it has to be primed.

So that and you're uh asserting on the record that the priming is all done within the paint booth.

Yeah, because I saw it.

Okay.

Is the uh uh applicant here today?

No, sir.

Okay.

Just the representative right now.

Okay, because I've been and the reason being that is because I've been involved in it.

Um I've gone through everything and met the inspector and everything, so I really have gotten a good feeling.

And so when I talked to the the surrounding people, come over and see it.

Meet the owner, let him take you through it.

And that's how yeah, you were able to get three of the the residents to reverse the other two are on vacation.

Um for uh other commissioners, all right.

Questions to the left?

Yes, Commissioner Sipes.

Yay, I get to go first.

Um question for the applicant.

So the portion of the site that says you know expanded building, that's where the paint booth will be located?

It's oh, can you tell me how to put it?

Can you point it to the back of the build?

Oh, thank you.

That right there, sir.

And so what is the distance but from there to the property line, the rear property line?

50 from that corner there to that is 55 feet.

Okay, so it's basic okay.

And so TCEQ requires how many feet from the uh property line to a paint booth or a stack?

I do not know that, sir.

Okay, it's 50 feet.

Um, so you're right on the edge.

Okay.

Actually, I'm looking at the addition here.

So did you say it's in the addition or it's in the existing structure?

It's in the existing structure.

Okay, so it's going to be in the existing structure.

Okay.

Because the addition is sitting about 35 feet away from that rare property line.

Okay.

Okay, I'm sorry.

I thought it was 50 feet.

Sorry.

Okay, okay.

Alright.

Uh, that's all the questions I have.

Any further questions left?

Yes, Commissioner Whatson.

So let me see if I understand.

This is they've not been doing painting their own property.

So they're just wanting to expand into that.

They have done a couple of repairs on the outside, but what when they when you have something that has to be painted, they take it to another of their places that has a paint booth.

Okay.

Alright, thank you.

Any further questions left?

Seeing none, questions right?

Seeing none.

Second go around.

Commissioner Double.

Questions?

Yeah, the um uh to staff I asked a couple of questions about emissions um and recognizing you know environmental health is a little bit outside of the purview, uh, but just wanted to ask if it addressed any of uh your concerns when you were preparing the staff report based on the information provided about the paint booth.

I'm sorry, are you talking about what he said is going to be?

Because we're not changing our we do not change our recommendation.

So basically what we say here is that we're just recommending denial.

We feel like this use is just not appropriate here, abutting the uh residential, so okay, got it.

Yeah, that's it for me.

Okay, no, sir.

No, sir, you may not.

If someone wants to ask you a question, they may to the left questions, questions to my right?

Yes, Commissioner Pete Rodriguez.

Uh sir, you said that they're they're not doing painting there right now.

Is the name of the business a budget collision?

No, no?

I'm looking at something different then.

Budget fluke.

Okay, it's called Bussy B.

December.

If you look on Google Maps, December 20.

That'm sorry, December 2024.

Oh, okay, because it looks like uh they got a paint boot there at that time.

The very back.

No further questions.

All right, thank you, Mr.

Chair.

If I sure in important follow-up, uh, when did the business become Busy B collision?

Last year.

I mean, they it was it was a it was under another name budget something.

Yeah, okay.

And then um, they ran it their name busy B so the uh previous owners sold it when did it change hands?

No, no, I'm sorry.

No, they were the same owners, they just changed the name.

I see.

Yeah, so uh could we uh get on Google Maps um Commissioner Pete Rodriguez identified something on Google Maps.

Could we get that up?

Because I hadn't heard about that.

Mr.

Pedro Rigas, would you explain what you were looking at?

Oh, click on that picture, right there.

Yeah, you see who he says, zoom in all the way to the back.

Yeah, white building all the way to the back?

That white building right there.

What what is that?

It's all open all the way and goes all the way to the back.

That right there, what is that?

That looks like a paint booth to me.

I don't know.

It is a paint booth.

I thought I just asked you if there was a paint booth, you said there wasn't.

That was that wasn't paint booth that was there.

They're getting a new one, but that was there.

They asked you if they were doing paint and you said no.

They were not doing paint, they were not using that.

And then I asked you if that if if you had a paint boot, then you also said no.

That's correct, because I knew that they they weren't using it, that they took it out.

Because first of all, it wasn't it it wasn't the new one and everything, and they we had the inspectors over.

Okay.

All right.

We're going to comply with the city.

All right, thank you.

Oh, all right.

To my right, any further questions?

All right, public hearing is closed.

Thank you.

Commissioner Duval to you for discussion and potential motion.

Yeah, uh the uh, if it's not clear, the issue with the uh uh Commissioner Pete Rodriguez's very astute observation um was that there was a paint booth.

Um the paint booth was not there in February 2023 when it was Mueller uh water conditioning inc.

Um, then it uh was acquired by the present owner who uh apparently put in a paint booth at some point between February 2023 and uh that point in 2024.

Um, you know, that had not been the uh uh perspective that uh I was given up until now in the case, um, which is you know unfortunate.

Uh it does change a little bit of the the tone of the case, um that it looks like there was a previous, you know, non-conforming use um on the property.

Um but even I mean you know, putting that aside, um what it what it's gonna come down to for me, uh currently shown on the notification plan map, um, there are you know, within the property owners within 200 feet, you have um three that are in support uh and six uh that are opposed.

Um, correction there it's gonna be six now since three of the three out of the six retracted.

So it's gonna be six, it's not correctly reflected on on the PowerPoint since he submitted before the start of the meeting.

Got it, okay.

Thank you.

Oh goodness, when I when I asked the applicant or applicants representative earlier, said it was representative, but I think I miscounted as well.

Um, but in any case, uh that's not unanimity.

I, you know, with this kind of a use based on the staff's recommendation, uh, with this kind of a use, uh, I you know, would really only be comfortable with it if there was unanimity.

Um six is not nine of those property owners.

Um, so you know, with that, uh I am going to be recommending uh denial.

Uh and just you know, to to say it now, uh, that does not would not preclude if that's the way the commission goes, that would not preclude the applicant from going to council.

And if the remaining uh two uh property owners did truly come out in support, I'm sure that would be you know very relevant information to the to the councilwoman um at council.

Uh but at this time I think we've had enough continuances.

I'm not going to be entertaining, at least I will not be entertaining another continuance.

So I uh move to recommend denial.

All right, very very good.

There is a second by Commissioner Kellum jumping the gun a little bit.

Um motion is for denial of item number four by Commissioner Duval with a second by Commissioner Kellum.

Discussion to my left.

Seeing none.

Discussion to my right.

Saying none.

Very good.

Roll call vote, please.

Commissioner Duval.

On the motion to deny, aye.

Commissioner Kellum?

Yes.

Commissioner Losa?

Yes.

Commissioner Innoza?

Yes.

Commissioner Pete Rodriguez.

Yes.

Commissioner Huey?

Aye.

Commissioner Sipes?

Yes.

Commissioner Kelly?

Yes.

Commissioner Woods.

Yes.

Commissioner Padna?

Yes.

Chair Bustaman.

Aye.

Motion carries.

Alright.

This is a recommending body.

You're going on a city council.

All right.

We are now moving on to item number five, please.

Good afternoon, Joel Palima, zoning planner with development services.

Item number five is located at 1301 Roosevelt Avenue, going from C1 Like Commercial to C2 C D, commercial district with the conditional use for alcohol, bar and or tavern without cover charge, or three or more days per week with all overlays remaining the same.

There were 29 notices sent out, zero in favor, five opposed within 200 feet.

Roosevelt Park Neighborhood Association is opposed.

Outside 200 feet, eleven are opposed, and the Riverside Neighborhood Association is opposed.

The applicant submitted a petition of consent with five signatures in support within 200 feet and five outside 200 feet.

However, the proposed use was not explicitly stated in this petition.

Three of those signatures from this petition was retracted and recorded in opposition within 200 feet as two and one in opposition outside 200 feet.

The subject properties located within the Dontown Area Regional Center plan adopted in 2019 and is currently designated as urban mixed use in the future land use component of the plan.

The requested C2 commercial base zone and district is consistent with the future land use designation.

Staff does not find evidence of likely adverse impacts on neighboring lands in relation to this zoning change request.

The proposed use is consistent with the established development pattern of the surrounding area.

The surrounding properties are zone like commercial district, commercial district, and low density multifamily district.

Likewise, the commercial district with the conditional use for the bar andor tavern is also appropriate.

The property situated along Roosevelt Avenue, a primary arterial, capable of supporting a broad range of commercial uses and associated traffic demand within the mixed use nature of this corridor.

The proposed use is compatible and consistent with the established character with the surrounding commercial area, which includes gas station uses, convenience stores, motels, tie-muffer shops, restaurants, and bar and taverns.

Therefore, staff finds a requested zoning appropriate for the subject property, compatible with the area and consistent with the development pattern along Roosevelt Avenue corridor.

Staff recommends approval and the applicant is here to answer any questions.

Okay, if we could have the applicant, please.

Tell us about the project.

This project, what my wife and I would like to do is have a uh bar, uh social uh pub.

Um open to the public, but most likely the people that I am inviting to this place is, you know, kind of uh the same people that we had over at the Cadillac Bar at one time before it closed, professional people.

Um just trying to build this place uh little mom and pop type of business, nothing major, not a you know, big uh chain or anything like that.

This is just a small little place that we would like to call it our little old business here.

Uh we have never had a business before.

I've been a Bell Bondsman for 24 years, and this is the only thing that, you know, um I have worked in the past.

I have worked at a few bars, and I kind of have a little bit of experience in it.

So um, you know, this is what we would like.

Um I have a lot of friends that uh are always asking me almost on an everyday basis.

Hey, what's going on?

What are you gonna do?

When are you gonna open?

I don't have an answer to that, you know.

Um, but without mentioning any names, um, I once I mentioned this to some certain people, they told me people from the courthouse will never come to a trash like this.

Um, I don't call it a little trash, I call it a little business that we did not know anything about rezoning.

We did not know uh what the rules and regulations and all that stuff when we started building this thing, you know.

Um we have a building there that is empty.

Uh we have, yes, a couple of birthday parties, private BYOB.

We cannot sell anything.

We don't want to break any rules, any laws.

So we do have this building there.

We do pay for uh uh security cameras inside and out, which I started paying this, thinking I didn't know how much of a long run this was gonna be.

So, you know, it's coming to be pretty expensive, but um my wife and I are strong.

We are hoping that something good could happen out of this, and and this is who we're at at this point, you know.

Um we're just hoping for the best, you know, and hopefully um I could get the panel to at least have a soft heart and help us out with this little project that we're doing.

All right, thank you, Mr.

Garcia.

Uh you'll yeah, I'll call you back up in a second, most likely.

Um, is there any public comment?

Yes, we have a number of folks, so I'll get started.

Um, first we have Mr.

Armando Santiago, and he will be followed by Denise Valentine.

Okay, and so as a reminder, if you want to give your time to someone else, uh the time is before they come up here and introduce themselves.

So Mr.

Santiago, come on up.

And up to two people can give you time.

Uh, otherwise you get two minutes.

Uh good afternoon, now Sony Commissioners.

My name is Armando Santiago, and I reside at 523 West Highland Boulevard, and I'll be reading uh my wife's that is a Ivania's statement.

Uh she was at another location today.

Um I oppose the rezoning of 1301 Roosevelt Boulevard from C1 to C2 to open a bar.

I grew up at 124 Haynes, a graduate of Breck High School, and returning to teach for 17 years there at SAIZ.

Through that time of her youth and work, the corner of Mitchell Street and Roosevelt Avenue has had the ugly brug, ugly problem of drug dealers, prostitutes, and homeless camps.

For 50 years, the community has complained about the ever clean motel, vacant properties, and the criminal activity of drug dealers and prostitutes.

The property owners requesting the rezoning to open the bar will continue to influence the negative activity that our community wants to clean up.

A bar would not improve our community in that area.

Take a drive any time of the day or night, and you will see prostitutes soliciting drug dealing or people on drugs, homeless people, and monthly ill people of all ages on Roosevelt Avenue from Steve Street, Mitchell, Felicia, and Isabel Street.

When will the city clean up this area and now support businesses that are just detrimental to our community's quality of life?

Do we have to wait another 50 years?

She says no to rezoning.

And if I was keen for a day, I would say, let's zone it for a satellite police station.

Maybe we could clean up that neighborhood.

Thank you.

They wouldn't need zoning.

Thank you, Mr.

Santiago.

Up next.

Good afternoon, Commissioners.

My name is Denise Valentine, and I am a resident of this community.

I live at 127 Loretta Place, and I'm here today to respectfully oppose the request to convert this property into a bar.

I already live near a corner bar half a mile from this proposed location.

And I can speak directly to the impacts this type of use has on my neighborhood.

We routinely have to pick up trash left behind, and we are often awakened late at night by loud noise, raised voices, music, and drunken conversations as patrons leave.

Parking is also a constant issue with overful filling residential streets and limiting access for residents.

These are ongoing quality of life concerns, not occasional inconveniences.

Beyond these daily impacts, there's also been serious public safety concerns associated with type of establishment.

Incidents near similar venues have resulted in arrest and some cases loss of life.

Living in close proximity to this environment brings a level of risk and distress that goes far beyond normal neighborhood expectations.

This proposal is not compatible with the surrounding area.

A bar is a high-intensity, late-night use that brings increased foot traffic, noise, and activity that extends beyond the property itself.

Parking demand often exceeds what can be accommodated on site, leading to congestion and disruption in nearby neighborhoods.

There is also broader public safety concerns associated associated with the late-night alcohol serving establishments, including disturbances and enforcement challenges.

Approving this request would set a precedent that would gradually change the character of this community in ways that are not aligned with the expectations of current residents.

For this reason, I respectfully ask that you deny this request.

I live with the real consequences of this type of use every day.

Please don't bring more of it into our community.

Thank you for your time and convenience.

Thank you, Ms.

Valentine.

Next.

Next we have Daniel Mansinga, and to be followed by Robert Bender.

Good afternoon.

My name is Daniel Meinzinger.

I live at 235 Yellowstone.

Our family's been in the neighborhood since 1962.

We're nothing against uh we have nothing against the growing of the neighborhood.

However, we're not in favor of approving another bar in the neighborhood.

I'm not sure how many of you know the neighborhood, but we have 15 bars already.

Fifteen already.

We have tandem on Roosevelt and Riverside.

We have Tea Time on Roosevelt, Pecan Grove on Roosevelt, the Silverado on Pro Benton Mitchell, Kipps Place on Steve's and Provent, Coco Loco at Steve's and Pro Bent, two blocks away, Stoker's at 702 Roosevelt, Lucha at 622 Roosevelt.

We have the new Macintosh at 1035 South Presa.

We have Palomino's at 109 Playmore Street.

We have Chunky's Bar and Food on South Press Street.

We have the Poetic Republic Wine Bar.

We have Minis on South Press Street, 3415, which is for sale.

If anybody here wants to buy it, it's not a commercial.

We have the last stop at 2619 South Pressa, and then we also just have Bonds Rock House at 4214 South Pressa.

We're saturated with bars.

We have too many bars in the neighborhood already.

Now, with several of these places open till 2 a.m.

This is a recipe for trouble.

On top of not having enough parking spaces.

About a year ago, we had a tech company that was going to open up on the corner of Drexel and Pressa.

The City of San Antonio said, mm-mm, you don't have enough parking spaces.

So guess what?

It's for sale, it's empty, and it's overgrown.

Because the city said no parking spaces, you can't put your employees there.

So just a couple other things.

I know I'm short on time.

Just as you know, we've had over a hundred police calls within a two or three block radius so far this year.

We're on plan for 200.

Does anybody in this room want to have 200 calls in your neighborhood or within two or three blocks from your place?

We are asking the committee to listen to the voices of the neighborhood, and please don't approve the zoning change.

Thank you for your time.

All right, thank you, Mr.

Munzinger.

Next.

Next, we have Robert Bender to be followed by Jacob Studham.

All right, thank you, Mr.

Bender.

Mr.

Bender is giving two minutes to Mr.

Studdham.

So he will have four minutes.

Yes, that's a doctor's.

I live at 132 Castillo Avenue.

I'm the vice president of the Roosevelt Park Neighborhood Association, and I'm going to be presenting our detailed findings on the proposed rezoning of 1301 Roosevelt.

Our association generally agrees that active businesses are better than vacant buildings, but this is not the case for every business at every location.

The history of this location and the experience of neighborhood residents has proven that a bar is worse for the area than a vacant building.

There are three major factors that make a bar unsuitable.

That is the widespread community opposition, the high crime in the area, and the inadequate parking.

Our association canvassed the residential streets closest to the property, and we also polled our membership, and we could not find a single neighbor who was in favor of the rezoning.

We also reached out to the Riverside Neighborhood Association who is who also oppose.

By our count, there are nine residential properties within 200 feet of the location.

Six of nine residents confirmed with our association that they are opposed to the rezoning.

The other three residential properties could not be reached.

There is a neighboring commercial property, the HT Sanchez Law Office that also opposes.

Next slide, please.

This is our count from the neighborhood association.

There are three additional properties that are not captured because that input didn't make it in time, right?

Okay, next.

And what we found was that there were 109 crimes during this 365-day period.

So that is one crime every three days.

You know, how you would like to live in that area, and that is what our residents already have to deal with without a bar present because that property has been vacant for the last year.

That community crime map does not include the Bear County uh Sheriff's Department either, so there is additional activity at that site.

This is just really quickly how I pulled this the statistics so the zoning commission can see that they're accurate.

Go ahead, next slide.

This is the area that was covered, just 500 foot radius from uh the proposed area there with the blue pin.

Next slide.

Uh, and that is verification.

There are 109 records in the last year.

Next slide.

And these are the statistics for those 109 records.

You can see that the drug use is prevalent.

Uh, that's the highest percentage, uh, as expressed by our neighbors and residents, and then there's a lot of other criminal activity that uh incorporates the other 28 percent, the largest case for harassment, evading, failure to stop, etc.

Okay.

Um, the last thing is there is inadequate parking at this location.

Code requires that there's one space for every 100 square feet for a bar.

Uh the site plan says this is 3600 square feet, so there needs to be 36 parking spaces.

There are only 16 marked parking spaces at the site, uh, and that's shared with two other properties.

One is a four-unit multifamily, and the other is a 13-table restaurant.

These are all owned by the same property owner.

Um, as of this meeting, we have not been shown any parking agreements with any neighboring businesses, and we also have concerns that there's still not enough parking, even if there were agreements with neighboring businesses.

If you can go to the next slide, I'll just point out um 1301 Roosevelt there in the top right corner, the 13-table restaurant directly behind.

That's a service driveway between the two.

Um, there in the bottom left corner, you see the 16 parking spaces that they're claiming is adequate, and the four-unit multifamily in front.

So four of those spaces are dedicated to the multi-family.

That parking is also being claimed for the restaurant.

Uh that leaves very little of for the 36 spaces that's required uh by code for the bar.

Uh, so to summarize, uh, for those three reasons: the um the community opposition, the high crime in the area, and the inadequate adequate parking, the neighborhood association um continues to oppose this rezoning.

Thank you very much for your time.

Thank you, Mr.

Stutham.

Next we have Mr.

Oswald John Hira.

And he is to be followed by Vanessa Renellis.

Good afternoon, Chairman and Council members.

My name is also John Nita, and I live at 206 Isabel Street, which is about a block and a half, two blocks from the site in question.

And I'm here to um give my opposition to this establishment to be rezoned.

I'm a little disappointed.

I appreciate the work of the city staff.

I was disappointed that they would recommend this, given all the stats that are available public um public knowledge about the crime in the area and the congestion in the area as well.

Um I worship at Mission Conception Church, and about what 10 years ago was designated as World Heritage Site.

Uh, it's about three blocks away from this property, and I would think that the city would make efforts to enhance this area.

This property is also about three blocks away, four blocks away from uh St.

Peter and Joseph Children's Center, which is um uh renowned uh area for rehabilitation of of children and families, and so I would think that the city would do its make its efforts to develop this area for businesses that are conducive to those types of um uh institutions.

Thank you.

Thank you, sir.

Vanessa Ranellas to be followed by Gabriella Gast.

Hi, good afternoon.

I'm Vanessa Revellas.

I'm resident of Roosevelt Park at 512 Honstock, and I'm also an active member of the neighborhood association.

I'm here to respectfully and firmly ask the board to deny the request for the conditional use permit and rezoning of 1301 Roosevelt Avenue in 2018.

The city made a promise to protect the historic South Side neighborhood and safeguard our UNESCO World Heritage designation by passing the mission protection overlay district.

This explicit legal purpose of the overlay is to guard the integrity and the peace of the World Heritage Corridors.

When the tavern previously operated at 1301 Roosevelt, then closed in 2020.

It transitioned to a place of worship, and later that year, the law worked as it was intended to, and it gran f in the grandfathered rights for the high-intensity late-night alcohol sales legally expired under that UDC 12-month vacancy rule.

So the systems downgraded this property to protect our neighborhood fabric, and reversing that progress today undermines that the city's own World Heritage Mandate.

Doesn't really make sense from a residential standpoint and kind of puts us back from the progress we've made.

Bringing a late night bar back to this specific location introduces noise, late-night traffic, parking disruptions, and directly into the residential corridor.

We're not anti-development.

We want a vibrant growth in Roosevelt Avenue.

However, it must be growth that is compatible with the neighborhood and respects the buffer zone.

A late night tavern fundamentally is incompatible with the vision established for this corridor.

Please uphold the 2018 protections and respect the integrity of the World Heritage.

Thank you, Ms.

Ravellus.

Next we have Gabriela Gast to be followed by Jeff Hunt.

Hello, my name is Gabriela Gast.

I live at 310 Hansford Street, and as a resident and member of the Riverside Neighborhood Association, me and my family frequently drive down Roosevelt where the property in question is.

As others have mentioned, this area is a harbor for all kinds of illicit activities, including drug use, violent crime, prostitution, and more.

This makes this absolutely unsafe for a family like ours to walk through our own neighborhood.

This isn't about singling out one business.

There are already eight bars in operation within one mile of this location.

And we already deal with broken beer bottles, trash on the sidewalks, and noise complaints.

Rezoning 1301 Roosevelt to a higher intensity use as a bar would only add to the issues surrounding our neighborhood.

In fact, concerns have already been raised at this about this property after an event was held there.

A recent meeting, at a recent meeting, a neighbor expressed feeling unsafe after unexpectedly encountering a group of men at night who are in the parking lot loitering as she was taking her dog out for a walk.

Despite assurances from the business owner that they will be good stewards of the property, my concern, which is shared by other community members, is that because the zoning will remain tied to the land, it may end up in the hands of somebody who doesn't share a sense of responsibility as a member of our community, and we simply can't put our hopes in any one business owner.

I would also like to add that the city itself has a shared interest in reducing the level of high-intensity use businesses in the area as outlined in the SA Tomorrow South Sub Plan.

A large area rezoning was completed in 2019 to help realize this vision and reversing course now would undermine years of time and effort to improve the conditions of our neighborhood.

I respectfully ask that the zoning commission denies the request for a zoning change.

Thank you for your time and for your decision.

Thank you, Ms.

Gast.

Mr.

Hunt.

Good afternoon.

Jeff Hunt, live at 121 Loretta Place, and I'm the president of the Roosevelt Park Neighborhood Association.

Ignore the cats.

Okay.

Very good.

And how many of them gave up their afternoon and brought their children to come and hang out today and really talk about how they oppose this particular business.

We've had many neighbors also write in.

Unfortunately, those that live on Felisa are not able to be here because they feel intimidated by the owner of the property.

She says that they are against any zoning change.

She has lived at her address for 58 years, and therefore I can offer a glimpse of what our neighborhood was like when the property was zoned as a bar.

First, parking for the bar filled both sides of Felisa Street.

The neighbors could not leave their driveway safely because they would not leave space enough for them to exit.

And unfortunately, when they park on both sides of the very narrow street, Felisa, emergency vehicles are unable to come down the street.

She said that often uh the patrons of the bars would sit in their cars in the neighborhood drinking alcohol, doing other drugs, and playing loud music after closing was the worst.

Patrons would loudly and violently fight in our neighborhood.

They would live leave beer bottles and trash all over our yards.

And Saturday and Sunday mornings smelled of urine because customers would relieve themselves in our yards and plants.

A bar or tavern is not the best interest of the Rosales Rentals LLC because renters don't want to live near a bunch of bars that attract an increased crime and property damage.

Um I think that my neighbors will continue to come up and give you more arguments.

Why, but to say about the neighborhood association, we did our due diligence.

We support uh investment and business, but this is not the right business for that location.

Thank you very much.

Thank you, Mr.

Hunt.

Uh Lorenzo Contras, to be followed by um Shannon Lore, I believe.

Locke.

Glock, thank you.

You're welcome.

Good afternoon, board.

Lorenzo Gontreras.

I live at 542 Cravens Avenue.

While I don't want to set aside any of the concerns of the neighborhood at all, we go by a premise that we believe that bars are bad, bars do this, bars do that, so on and so forth.

What my friend Mark Garcia wants to do is to upgrade the individuals that are going to that bar and not have the problems that were there before.

He just wants a shot at it.

The folks he hangs around with, the folks that I know he hangs around with are all good people, and they're not the type to stick around and start fights and do whatever he mentioned uh the Cadillac Bar earlier.

They haven't ever had those problems at the Cadillac Bar, and those folks want a place to start hanging out, and Mark Garcia's place is one of those places that they may start doing that at.

He doesn't want any of the bad things that are happening.

I'm positive that he's going to be in the neighborhood picking up any trash that any of those folks leave around.

He's gonna hope that none of them do that, especially the bad stuff like urinating in places they're not supposed to be and so on and so forth.

That's just not the clientele he's gonna have there, and uh while, like I said, uh the opposition is great.

I ask that you please give him a shot uh and approve it for zoning.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Contreras, Mr.

Locke, and who's next?

Well, I believe uh Miss Garcia.

Are you here?

You were gonna give your time.

Yeah, I'm saying my friend Shannon John.

Thank you so much.

Mr.

Locke will have four minutes.

Thank you.

Thank you very much, and thank you, board, for uh having us.

My name's Shannon Locke, I'm at 2131 Winding View, and I'd just like to tell you a little bit about my friend Mark Garcia.

If you practice criminal law like I do, I'm a criminal defense attorney.

Uh Mark Garcia is in the courthouse every day, and he is somebody who has talked to me uh in the years that I've known him.

Uh, he has talked to me about his dream of owning a bar, and I think that that's an important consideration uh for this commission and for this board.

Uh, this is his lifelong dream along with his wife.

Uh they want to uh make sure that the business is successful, but it is a part of the neighborhood that uh contributes to the neighborhood and doesn't create some of the legitimate concerns that these folks have.

They're sensitive to that.

I know that they've been to neighborhood association meetings.

Uh they have uh spoken to the neighbors and understand their concerns and they've taken those concerns to heart.

But Mark is a stickler for the rules.

Uh, he is somebody who, as a bondsman, uh has no illusions as to the character of the people uh that the neighbors are concerned about, and he'll make sure uh that they uh follow the rules that they do what they're supposed to do, and I'm just asking that you approve uh his lifelong dream and allow him to have this shot at this business.

Thank you very much.

All right, thank you, Mr.

Locke.

Next, uh Amanda or Amada Miller.

Miss Miller, you want to give your time to um Karen uh Karen Berg.

And she is to be followed by Mr.

Roland uh precrata.

Hi, good afternoon.

My name is Karen Brandenburg.

I live at 201 Isabel, uh, just outside of this red circle within the neighborhood.

Um, the situation in the neighborhood already is not great.

I think you've heard from my other neighbors.

Um, but I live it.

I avoid that intersection at all possible.

That is not an intersection.

Excuse me, that is not an intersection I would walk.

That is not an area I would go to for any reason.

I would I avoid it even driving.

I just cannot risk someone walking in front of my vehicle or someone standing in the street.

Um, what this uh bar would bring to the neighborhood would be unwanted foot traffic.

It would bring vehicles parked throughout the neighborhood to access the bar because there's very limited parking, as you've heard, um, and just the overall aesthetic of the neighborhood.

My neighbors want a nice neighborhood.

They want a clean, safe place to live, and currently it's not that.

So bringing this bar into the neighborhood is highly opposed by by myself and other neighbors.

Um, and we just want safety.

We want the safety of the neighborhood and the integrity of the neighborhood to stay intact.

Thank you.

All right, thank you, Ms.

Brandenburg.

Roland Percado to be followed by Ron Wallace.

So close.

Hello, my name is Roland Vessiello.

I'm here for speaking on 1301 Roosevelt.

Just so that you know, I've been there.

I've done a little bit of the artwork inside the building.

Um when they've done some small private events, they've done uh had massive amount of people from the community, local residents come by, landlords I spoke to who meet me outside, nearby employees when I talk to them at the corner store, uh gas station, they people just passing by, or just you know, they constantly tell me, Oh, I can't wait to you guys open up, it looks really nice.

We're not here to try to you know have a rowdy bar.

That's not the idea of what's gonna happen.

I mean, we knew back then it was a bar one point, and I don't see it to be a bigger leap to uh go back to being a bar.

Um I know that there's lots of uh problems with that area, but that's also because the area has also been vacant for very long time when it was a church.

They had their doors closed all the time.

I only saw them go outside, and then I would see them close the door, and then I would just see homeless building little shelters everywhere everywhere.

So if you can give Mark and then the chance to open up to try to, you know, better themselves, their lives.

Uh, you know, it's hard.

I know it's really hard to get out there and create a business.

But they would have, you know, cameras.

Yes, foot traffic, but foot traffic also means security, it also means employees cleaning up outside.

I've been there, I've stayed laid, cleaning up the outside, having the we've seen the grass cut, you know, and just shoeing away as many homeless people as we can and allowing them to come in and you know have a good time, you know, not overdo it, just staying there, being part of you know the establishment, and yeah, there's more to come.

I mean, if we could open up, there could be business, there could be a better foot traffic, you know, of clientele, and on top of that, you know, I know what everybody saw inside if they did see it, but we haven't finished yet.

I mean, we can open up, get funds, we can provide more paints, more you know, nice lighting, fixing up maybe structures outside, and just you know, have a chance to at least open up something small.

Thank you.

Thank you, sir.

Ron Wallace.

Uh, Mr.

Wallace will have four minutes because Miss Miller.

Correct.

Thank you.

My name is Rod Wallace, uh 562 East Mitchell Street, um, 78210.

I live on uh Mitchell Street, which is uh one of the crossroads um that this property is located on.

First thing I'd like to say is I I would really um appreciate the entrepreneurial spirit of Mr.

Garcia and his wife.

Um, small business owners are super important to our city, and we love them in this neighborhood.

Um, the concern I have though is is as other people have expressed here is the nature of the business that people want to put in in this location.

Um, as you've heard it, it has previously been a bar, and um I'd just like to give some perspective as a resident on the actual street.

What happened when there was a bar there.

Um the 2 a.m.

kind of let out drag racing down the street was um it was so bad that the neighborhood actually petitioned for and successfully got speed bumps put on Mitchell Street, recognizing this is an issue.

Um, the number of near misses at the intersection of Mitchell and Pressa closer to where I live went up drastically when the bar uh was put in place, and actually two motorcyclists were killed after coming out of that bar.

Sorry, one was killed and one was grievously injured after coming out of that bar and deciding to race down the street because they hit a parked car.

My neighbors no longer want to park their cars on the street or didn't at the time because of the increase in accidents overnight by their cars being hit by people leaving the bar.

Um and so uh I wanted to give that additional perspective on what it's like living at bar.

I'm sure you hear this this all the time.

Um a vacant building is not something we really want in the neighborhood, but um I can say that the property owners at that bar because I go by a rigor at that location, seem to do a good job managing the homeless, so it is not actually causing a problem being vacant as it is right now.

Um, I do appreciate that the city has had the foresight to suggest that changing the zoning of of Pressa and Roosevelt Streets away from industrial and some of the other uses that have held back development is something that the city wants to do, and like the other residents that uh that have spoken here, I would I would really implore you all to maintain that vision, have the courage of your convictions to help support this neighborhood growth.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Wallace.

Next.

Last we have Herman Booker.

Good afternoon.

My name's Herman Booker.

I live at 104.

Wait, 10451, Clearwaterway.

Um I'm here to support um the Garcias and open up their business.

They had two private events, which were birthdays.

I was at I attended both.

We had armed security personnel that patrolled the inside and the outside to make sure that everybody was safe and secure.

Um, that nobody's cars are broken into or anything like that.

So if it's it's uh a hard point to be in because we understand the the nature and the seriousness of it and the concerns of the community.

But what we are here to do is to make sure, excuse me, I'm a little nervous.

What we are here to do is make sure that we address those issues and make sure that we have steps in place to be able to take care of the parking, to be able to take care of the security, to make sure that nobody's homes are broken into, cars are broken into, nobody's using the bathroom on other people's lawns and property.

So I would ask that you will grant them the opportunity to prove it to you and to show you that they are what they say that they are gonna do.

And uh, thank you so much.

Thank you, Mr.

Booker.

All right, Mr.

Garcia, you will have a brief rebuttal of approximately three minutes.

Well, you will have three minutes.

Don't have to use it all.

Mr.

Garcia, come on up.

If there's anything you want to say to, you know, address the concerns of the neighbors.

You will have three minutes.

Hello again.

Um thank you again for having me here.

Um, I thank my friends and colleagues that came over to uh give a little support for our little business here.

Hopefully, um things will work out for us.

Um at this point, I don't know what else to say than uh we will take care of the property.

Um, I did have some forms here.

I don't know.

Oh, okay.

Um they're they're pulling them up.

Okay, um there's just some parking agreements and and um some land agreements that were done between Mr.

Settles and I.

Um, and there it is, uh parking agreement, and then the other one is um if you guys could read it because it's too small for me to read.

We don't want to uh we don't want to uh uh bring any bad vibes to the community more than what there is um the uh according to what I hear that there's all these problems urinating on the property and cars parked on the side.

Um, I don't think that the clientele that we are gonna have in that building would be dumb enough to put the car on the side of a residential street instead of putting it where it belongs.

You know, I don't think we're gonna have a hundred people in there every day.

You know, I'm um we have a few people a day, that's fine.

We're not gonna run out of parking spots.

Um, but if we did have a hundred people a day, that's great.

I mean, you imagine how much money we would make.

You know, so and another thing, this is not a 2 a.m.

stop time.

This is a 12 a.m.

stop time.

There is no liquor gonna be sold in there, it's just beer and wine, uh, just in case if anybody knew about that.

Um, sodas and waters, of course.

But um, this is where we're at now.

Thank you, Mr.

Garcia.

I'd take a seat in the front row in case you get called out.

Okay, this is a district three case.

Commissioner Hina Hosa, to you for questions.

Thank you, Chair.

Uh, real quick, question for staff, and then I'm gonna ask another question to the applicant, um, so you can research it.

But the uh property or the bar that's located on 1805 Roosevelt down the street staff.

Uh what is the zoning for that?

If y'all can look into that.

And then for Mr.

Garcia, I had a couple of questions.

Um, how many employees or staff will you have at a typical evening or um well?

The plan is um I will get started first, and once we get a little revenue, um, my plan is to have two staff members on site by my besides me and my wife, you know.

My wife's not gonna be able to be there all the time because of her illnesses, but we just live down the street, we don't live far away.

I will be there monitoring the place.

Um, if we have a birthday party or some big event like that, I will have security there at all times.

But uh since it's gonna be a bar, I mean, we you're gonna be open, I think you said the last meeting, like 5 p.m.

probably at the midnight.

So who will be staffed there?

Just yourself?

Uh yes, that's correct.

Uh I'll be there with one other member, um, Mr.

Booker, which is the guy sitting back there, he's there to help us out as well.

You know, I will not be there by myself.

Okay, if that's the question.

I'm not already understanding.

And will you have uh security or police or any sort of cover six security?

Cover six that's a that's a uh security company.

Okay, and what time would they be in operation?

Whatever time that I tell them to be there, they will be there, and they will be so what time will you tell them?

Depending on the event, really.

I mean, if I tell them but on a normal day, I mean, you're gonna have a bar.

Uh on a normal day, I would say, you know, 5 p.m.

to midnight.

Okay.

But everybody will be out by midnight.

Gotcha.

And then uh, are you currently uh certified to serve alcohol by TABC currently?

I submitted my application.

I have not gone further than that.

I was advised not to go further.

So you're in process, okay.

Oh, we have the sign on the door already.

Oh, okay, okay.

Thank you, Mr.

Garcia.

Uh, and then staff were you able to find what the zoning is?

It is zone C1 right now.

The bar was, it looked like it they got a C of O in 2006, but the property was rezoned in 20 um 18.

So it was grandfathered in basically, I guess.

It is a grandfathered item un until they so they should keep it active, yes.

Got it.

And then uh city staff, can you remind me uh so in 2018 the zoning was downzoned to C one?

What uh what spurred that?

Uh that was part of the World Heritage Buffer rezoning.

Okay.

Since you guys are seeking approval, it's based on the downtown um what is that?

The um downtown area regional center plan is that is that correct.

That's what we have on the uh, yes, it is part of the downtown area.

Historically, south of Nighty is is south side.

I mean, that's it are are we going with the World Heritage kind of zoning buffer or would it be downtown?

Why was that not included basically?

The World Heritage.

It's in the downtown area regional center plan and within the World Heritage Buffer.

Okay, okay.

Um, thank you.

Question for staff.

Um, if the property owner had a food truck on site, because I know there was some some talk about that.

Um, and they use the same money register, I guess, to for the for the bar and for the for the food truck.

Do they still need to be rezoned C to C D?

They could um as long as their sales overall sales at that food truck was part of the business, it could not be a separate business, but if it was part of the business with the associated with the bar or the ice house that it seems that they're proposing, um, as long as they don't go over 75% of their profit um is alcohol sales, they could be considered a food service establishment, which is permitted by right in the existing C1.

Okay, and then just for clarification, so a plain C2 by itself does not allow for a bar because that's a C3 use.

Correct.

Correct.

Okay.

Okay.

And I know today we we've heard, you know, uh neighborhoods and uh how zoning affects neighborhoods and and the change of their uh character.

And character goes both ways as an educator for a long time.

And I know the residents when I when I walked it um and talked to them and the neighborhood association.

They are concerned.

This is where they live.

And the character, unfortunately, for that area is high crime, drug use, prostitution.

This is what they're known for as of now.

Hopefully that will change.

So I pulled up for SAP on the SAPD of the website.

Just this past month from April 30th to May 30th of 2026.

There's been 26 calls in the 1300 block of Roosevelt themselves.

So I I feel the neighbors how they are uh not supporting this.

And they are very considerate.

They I'm I'm sure they would love to have a pickleball or a car wash.

But I think they fear that adding a bar to this area which is very saturated with drug use, drunk, uh drunkenness, SAPD calls, and they hear it from their living room, from their backyard.

Uh I bet I was an educator for 18 years for SASD, and you know the kids walking to maybe BRAC or Burbank.

You know, it's not just about the prostitution there, how people come from across town to come to that area, and when you see a nice, beautiful car, well, it's either there for certain reasons, right?

I I don't know.

But um Commissioner Hinohosa, I'm sorry.

Yes, uh, this is questions.

Uh-huh.

At this point.

This is what I'm sorry.

This is for questions.

Oh, I apologize.

I apologize.

I I digress.

My wife tells me the same thing.

Um, so uh I guess question for for staff.

Um what would be the um is there any other recommendation uh for like uh zoning that could be a better use than an actual C2 conditional use for a bar?

I'm sorry, what I have no idea what I said.

I think in their C1 C D potentially, a C1 C D.

And what would that give C1's a conditional use for a bar?

Okay.

That's not our alternate recommendation, but that could be something that would be requested.

Gotcha.

Gotcha.

Okay.

Uh and then um Mr.

Garcia, I have one more question, and then we I'll let my federal commissioners uh ask away.

Um, you I didn't catch you said you lived in the area, right?

What what I guess I do.

I live down the street.

I live about maybe three, four minutes away from driving, driving.

Oh, okay.

Um you my cons my concern for a question for you would be uh I know you you've talked about parking, you've talked about an additional staff member.

Um, you know, the bar people drive there.

Uh how will you control people urinating or people drawing glass bottles and and you know having glass on the I mean how how besides being there yourself, how are you going?

How are you going to help relieve some of that those issues that they brought up?

Well, first of all, um, like I said earlier, um we do hire security, and then there's a security walking outside.

Um there's security up in the front.

Okay, um that's how we'll prevent about anybody bottles.

Well, we're not expected to sell anything in bottles, it's gonna be canned uh items.

We're not trying to look for any bottle sales in any which way, but the urinating part, I've never seen it.

I don't want to see it, but we will have security.

I do have security cameras as well outside.

So um that this place has been monitored since I got the place in October 2025.

Okay, okay.

Thank you, Mr.

Garcia.

All right, thank you.

Any further questions on the right?

Questions on the left.

Yeah, Commissioner Duval, then Commissioner Sipes.

Uh to the uh applicant, if I can ask you to come on up again.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Um, so if you live a couple of blocks away, you must be familiar with the current crime situation on the street corner.

Uh yes, I I've seen stuff around.

I also I have not been, there's a few bars around there, you know.

I've never been in the bars, but I've, you know, if this was approved, but I hope it gets approved.

I've never seen any activity in those other places.

I've never seen police cars anywhere in those other places.

Um, somebody asked me the last time I was here if I have been to that Coco Local, my answer was no.

They asked me what was the atmosphere.

I don't know because I never been in there, but I've never seen um police vehicles on that area uh either.

So how how would you describe that intersection?

Like what's the current condition with crime?

Is it getting safer?

Is it more dangerous?

Like I've never seen anything happen there.

Now I'm not saying that maybe stuff has happened there, but I've never seen anything myself.

I have a friend of mine that lives down the road as well.

Um, before I I started living where I'm at now, uh I used to go to his house and I've never seen anything, nobody's ever bothered me.

Um I've I've actually walked.

Well, what's uh but what's your impression of it?

Even if you haven't seen it, what have you heard about?

Like what I've heard a lot of uh uh negative stuff about the about the location about the area there, but I've never seen anything.

Um I've never seen a stabbing or shooting, thank God.

Um I've never seen any cars racing down the road or anything like that.

But but you've heard about crime there, yeah.

Because this is what is keeping me away from getting the establishment going.

So I've I've heard it several several times.

But uh across uh Roosevelt um is the Ever Clean Motel.

I've I've yes, I've seen it, of course, because the bars across the street.

Well, future bar, hopefully.

So what what's what's your impression of the Ever Clean Hotel?

Well, it's a motel, people walking in and out.

Um, what are they doing?

I don't know.

Drugs, I don't know, prostitution, I don't know, because I don't get involved with people like that.

I I stay away, mind my own business.

But if I do see something that needs to be addressed to SAPD, I will pick up my phone.

I will record, I will call them and tell them, hey, he's wearing a green shirt, blue jeans, and he's doing this.

I will be there for the community.

I will not let it go.

Let's talk more about that because I mean, based on your professional background, uh, some of the uh uh professional colleagues that you would come and speak during public comment.

I'm not questioning your motives, but the Everclean Motel is gonna be right across the street.

That's correct.

Um, you know, I just looked up on KSAT, you know, as recent as 2013 they had a dangerous assessment response team there for uh, you know, documented gang member arrest, mass arrest with guns and prostitution and drugs.

So you're it's not gonna be a private bar, right?

It's it's gonna be a public bar open to the public.

Yeah, it's gonna be a uh public bar.

Um I can't just tell, hey, you you gotta get out, you gotta get out.

But you know, I could monitor who's coming in because of the personnel that I will have in there, and I need to protect these kind of individuals that come in there.

Sure, but if somebody say one of the, you know, uh you know, I don't know the condition now, but if one of the you know potential gang members um or one of the patrons of the Everclean Motel, I think I I looked up on uh uh uh bookings.com rooms go for like forty-three dollars, you know, a night.

Uh so it if a gang member was to come into your bar, you know, how how are how are you gonna deal with that?

How is that going to look?

Because I I mean, candidly, you're open until midnight.

A lot of people might take the opportunity to go from the motel across the street for a drink.

So, how does that look like?

How does that interaction look?

You you said that you don't want to be interacting with these people, but how what's your plan to well absolutely?

You know, if you have somebody, let's just say just like the example you just gave me.

Somebody like that comes in, we watch, we monitor.

I used to be a private investigator as well.

So, you know, you kind of watch and monitor what's going on.

Um, this is why we have security.

Something is going on, something fishy looks that doesn't look right, you know.

This is why we keep eyes on certain people and watch what they're doing, and then um nobody's gonna go in there without getting padded.

Okay.

Outside people, you know, because I'm pretty sure that uh these other people, you know, um won't have any weapons or anything like that.

Um, but for the most part, these are good professional people, but if somebody like that would come in, we will watch them monitor and then it you know quietly escort them out, not kick them out or bad words or anything like that.

You know, hey, you know, um you had a great time, thank you so much for coming, and you know, away we go, you know.

Um no physical force to anybody, anybody, I don't matter who it is.

Thank you, all right, Commissioner Sibes questions.

Uh questions for staff to start off with.

Um, applicant is seeking C2 C D, but according to the use matrix, a bar is allowed in C one with a special use permit, right?

I'm trying to figure out the the the rationale behind going for the CD, and I was wondering is it because of the opportunity to add operation hours or no?

Just going based off his original application.

Um, in conversations, he did request the C2 C D, so um the other options for the C1 and the C1S or the C2S weren't under consideration at that time until the case actually came and was continued.

So he was considering, I should say, um, potentially amending to C1 C D, if anything, but to answer your case, we could request we could add conditions on a specific use authorization as well.

It was just again, there's multiple ways to get to the final outcome, and that was one of the ways.

Well, I appreciate that.

Yeah, um, I see advantages to both.

Um, and I guess let's see.

Did I have any other questions?

Um, I don't have any other questions.

Lots of discussion, but no questions.

Uh Commissioner Woodsett, any questions?

Uh yes, for staff, just across the street, uh, is a car automotive repair shop.

Yeah, is that allowed in C1?

It's also zone C1.

I'm sorry, what kind of shop you're asking?

There's an auto repair shop.

Okay, it's full service auto.

So full service is not permitted by right in a C1.

They would um I mean there are other items.

I'm just checking real quick.

So again, it could be one of those situations where the use was established, it is not permitted by right in a C1, but it was most likely established there, and then it was downzoned in that 2018 um rezoning, large area rezoning.

So motels are they allowed in C1 also?

That's another question.

They're not no, no, they are not.

Thank you.

So essentially all these were down zoned to kind of put them out of business, I guess.

I mean they're now got zoning that doesn't comply with their existing uses at the time, but they're still there.

I wouldn't necessarily say it would be to put them out of business, but to prevent try to further use into that area.

Okay.

So the whole that whole area, much of the existing uses were changed.

They weren't changed, but the zoning was changed.

Correct.

To try to okay.

All right, thank you.

Any further questions regarding this property?

To my left.

To my right questions?

A couple of questions, Mr.

Garcia.

Can you step up, please?

That building next to the establishment.

What is that?

The smaller building on the left side?

Is that part of the establishment?

Um building to the left side.

Kind of looks like a garage.

That one right there.

No, it's gonna use this.

Will you turn this on?

Yeah, that go up.

No, go a little bit further down.

Right now.

That is a small little storage place that the landlord has.

I have I can I can't use that.

That's his.

Okay.

And does the establishment have a kitchen?

Um the establishment no, sir.

It does not have a kitchen.

No.

Okay.

I was just wondering if you would be serving food.

Uh my what my wife and I wanted to do is sell like uh pareto pies and um like like fast stuff like chips and peanuts, popcorn, that kind of stuff.

We don't have a kitchen.

Um we don't have even if we wanted to put a kitchen, we have no room for a kitchen.

Okay.

Uh the question was brought or earlier was brought up about something about a food truck.

Will you be considering having a food truck there?

If if somebody would want to put a food truck there, I don't mind.

The thing is is that um we can't buy a food truck.

Okay, I'm just wondering what staff, would that help him if he had a food truck on the property?

Again, no, I mean it would have to be part of his business.

Understood.

All right, no further questions.

Thank you.

All right, thank you.

Any further questions to the right?

Yes, Commissioner Hinahosa.

Uh Mr.

Garcia, uh, I'm sorry, real quick.

Uh will you have a dress code for your establishment?

A dress code?

Yes, anything that does not uh uh pertain colors because I will have a sign up there.

There's no colors permitted.

You know, if you know what I mean, there's a lot of establishments that have that.

Um red bandanas, blue bandanas, um, you know, uh motorcycle jackets, anything like that.

We're not gonna allow any of that stuff in there.

Um, due to the people that are going in there and suit and ties.

Um that's the kind of uh dress code that there will be.

So you're assuming that your clientele would understand that?

Uh, yes, that's correct.

Thank you.

No, it's a positive about that.

All right, to the left, final round of questions.

Okay, thank you so much.

Public hearing is now closed.

Uh Commissioner Hina Hosa to you for discussion and potential motion.

Thank you, Chair.

Um, you know, we are a recommending body to city council.

So I'll make this short and sweet.

I've heard from the community, I've heard from the neighbors.

Uh I believe it's overwhelmingly uh unanimous for the most part.

So I will make a recommendation for denial.

All right, is there a second?

Second.

Alright.

Uh I'm going with Commissioner Huey.

All right.

So for item number five.

Wait, where are we?

Yes, item number five.

Uh the recommendation is for denial.

Uh by Commissioner Hina Hosa with a second by Commissioner Huey.

Uh short discussion ideally, to my right.

Anyone?

To my left.

Yes, Commissioner Duval.

Commissioner Sipes.

Just just briefly.

Um, I at least I'm convinced based on the evidence on the record that the applicant uh would be a good operator, and that uh compared with a lot of other alternative businesses that could be there, uh, would actually be a uh improvement for the block with the type of clientele that he's trying to attract based on his you know professional experience.

Um I think you know, having security outside could even address some of the uh street crime problems, at least until you know midnight.

That being said, um I am concerned with the spillover effects of introducing alcohol into the mix, particularly at the ever clean motel.

Um so I'm not as concerned about you know about what's gonna happen at the bar as what's gonna happen back at the motel once patrons at the motel go back.

Um alcohol is always an accelerant uh for crime, and in an area that doesn't have as good of ownership and management um as the applicant, um it can make a bad situation even worse.

Um I mean I don't I don't know the current crime statistics for the everclean motel, but the fact that it's as recent as 2023.

Um it had to have a uh, you know, basically special task SWAT, you know, task force go in to clean it up.

Leads me to uh uh um support uh the uh um commissioner's motion.

All right, thank you, Commissioner Duval.

Commissioner Sipes.

All right.

Um I'll be supporting the motion.

Um we we talk frequently about getting neighbors engaged in in zoning, and uh frequently we when we have a case we have one or two speakers at most show up, and in this case we've had um you know multiple you know neighbors come out in opposition.

Um for me, what weighs on uh the decision is that this was intentionally downzoned just eight years ago as part of the world heritage buffer.

Um, that's that's huge.

That tells me that that that okay, this is something that that uh city staff at that time looked at and said, you know what, that we need to do this.

Um and then uh one of the neighbors said um that you know while while I respect the the applicant, um this is as was said kind of a lifelong dream, but one of the neighbors said we can't throw hopes behind one business owner because if for some reason this fails, then another bar could come in that may not care who goes to the bar.

Um, and so I will be supporting the motion.

Very good.

Any further discussion left?

Seeing none.

All right.

As I mentioned, I am a member of Roosevelt Park Neighborhood Association Board.

I do not participate in any consideration of zoning at that level, uh, so that I can participate here.

Uh Mr.

Garcia, you know, I respect you.

I respect what you're trying to do.

Unfortunately, zoning does go with the land.

Uh you heard from the neighbors.

They raised concerns.

Uh I had hoped that by giving you more time, you might have been able to convince them, maybe talk about other limitations that did not occur.

Uh as a result, I also will be supporting the motion.

The motion is for denial by Commissioner Hina Hosa with a second by Commissioner Huey.

Roll call vote.

Commissioner Hosa?

Yes.

Commissioner Huey.

Aye.

Commissioner Kellum?

Yes.

Commissioner Losa.

Yes.

Commissioner P.

Rodriguez?

No.

Commissioner Sipes.

Yes.

Commissioner Kelly?

Yes.

Commissioner Duval.

Aye.

Commissioner Woods.

Yes.

Commissioner Pana.

No.

Chairbusterman there?

Aye.

Motion carries.

All right.

Again, we are recommending body.

You still have the opportunity to go to city council.

Uh, good luck to you all.

Thank you.

All right, we're gonna move on to item number nine, please.

We're gonna do two at the end.

Good afternoon.

Alex Ratana, zoning planner with development services.

Item number nine is located at 314 J Street.

Going from R4 residential single family district to arm five residential mixed district with all overlays staying the same.

Twenty-three notices were mailed, zero in favor, zero opposed, and Denver Heights neighborhood association gave no response.

The existing R4 residential single family district is in appropriate zoning for the property and surrounding area.

The proposed arm five residential mixed district is also appropriate.

The subject property sits within a mix of residential, commercial, and industrial uses.

The proposed density provided by the arm 5-base zoning district is consistent with the residential development in the area, and the 0.1722 acre lot is of sufficient size to accommodate the maximum allowable density of three dwelling units.

Furthermore, development standards such as maximum building lot coverage, building high and multi-unit construction will be regulated to ensure compatible design with the neighborhood.

The request accomplishes goals of the strategic housing implementation plan by providing additional housing stock at various income levels.

Staff recommends approval and the applicant's representative is here to answer.

Any questions?

Alright, if we could have the applicant's representative, please, Mr.

Cruz.

You would state your name and address for the record, also by your project.

Good afternoon.

My name is Aljandro Cruz, I reside at 2911 Gainesboro.

I want to briefly outline that our extensive good faith outreach efforts.

The association the association requested us a finalized site plan.

Now because we're early in the rezoning phase of finalized engineer plan, the kind of premature, however, to address their layout questions.

We provided them with the detailed examples of building footprint, setbacks, and density requirements permitted uh under this under this uh zoning to show exactly how the uh the property would be restricted.

Uh beyond the formal meeting, uh I also walked the immediate area uh engage with the surrounding property owners.

Unfortunately, there was uh only a couple doors to knock on and didn't get any uh response from them.

Uh done our absolute best to collaborate closely with the community, and given that the city staff has fully reviewed this and recommended for approval.

We respectfully ask for your support today.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Cruz.

Any public comment?

No public comment.

All right, very good.

Stick around.

Nope.

Stick up here, stay up here.

I know there's gonna be some questions.

All right, this is a district two case.

Commissioner Lose, up to you for questions.

Yeah, thanks for being here.

Thanks for the information.

Um, as I guess I should start with a question.

This questioning.

Thank you for sharing about the neighborhood association outreach.

Um, in the neighborhood outside of that, you know, suggested amount.

Did you were you able to talk to anyone else outside the 200 feet in that similar area?

Uh no, there was this just like gated up houses with dogs in the front, so there was like maybe a four.

I we I walked the whole block, um, but nobody answered.