Good morning.

I'd like to call to order the compliance and technical advisory board of the Historic and Design Review Commission meeting for Friday, July 17th, 2026.

Can I have a roll call, please?

Davis Garcia.

Here.

Bergard.

Here.

Spiller.

Here.

Fullerton.

Pollock?

Here.

Speeds?

Here.

Vasquez?

And Sepulveda.

We have a quorum.

Thank you.

Translation Services, please.

Good morning, everyone.

We want to see a those.

Thank you.

The compliance and technical advisory board is an advisory board appointed by the city council.

I'm Jason Vosquez, vice chair and acting for today.

Juanita Sibólveda is a chair.

It is a function of the board to advise the city manager in all relevant city departments concerning certain applications for permits for properties in historic districts and landmarks in considering whether to recommend approval or disapproval of an application for a certificate of appropriateness.

The board shall be guided by the city's Unified Development Code and design guidelines and standards that have been adopted by the City Council.

An appeal of a decision by an administrative official can be filed in accordance with the city's Unified Development Code.

If anyone present wishes to speak in favor or in opposition to any item on today's agenda, please sign up on the public comment sheet.

It is not necessary to sign up if you are the owner of representative for a project on the agenda.

You'll be called on as the case is called.

Case representatives will be given no more than 15 minutes to present their case with an additional two minutes to respond to public comments.

Speakers for or opposed to a case will be limited to two minutes each.

Speakers may also sign up to yield their two minutes to another speaker who has signed up.

Anyone who is yielding their time must be present at the time the speaker is called upon.

Speakers will be called upon in the order in which they are signed up.

Following public testimony, any commissioner may call upon any speaker to respond to further questions.

Approval by the board does not take the place of any type of permit.

Permits must be obtained for all work.

Certificates of appropriateness for work approved by the board will be emailed to you within 10 days.

No work of any type is to be started without obtaining the appropriate city permits after a certificate of appropriateness has been issued by the Office of Historic Preservation.

At this time, please silence your cell phone.

Any staff announcements?

There's also I have any citizens signed up for general comments this morning.

Thank you.

Can I have a motion, please, to approve the minutes from the June 26, 2026 meeting?

So moved.

I second.

Can I have a roll call, please?

Garcia.

Aye.

Bergard.

Aye.

Spiller.

Aye.

Pollock?

Aye.

Speeds?

Vasquez?

Aye.

And Sibulvada.

Aye.

Motion carries.

Thank you.

And Edward, you said there are.

Yes, we can.

Well, there are no general comments.

We can direct our attention to the consent agenda.

There's one item on the consent agenda that's 515 East Houston Street.

Thank you.

Is there anyone wishing to pull the consent agenda item today?

If not, I do wish to uh pull this item.

Okay, 515 East Houston.

We have applicant John Monese here.

John Monese.

The company is LBJR commercial properties.

And the project is to replace existing windows.

Great.

The property is obviously historical, and our mission is to create the exact same windows that are in there.

And that we have bids and have done that.

And we're seeking your approval to move forward.

Great.

And you are replacing in kind with absolutely the same thing working with staff on replacement.

We have determined that these windows are non-original.

And so that opens up opportunity for a clad product.

Great.

And I really pulled this item to as an example to show what a deteriorated state these windows are.

They're God knows how old.

And in absolute the worst condition.

Can you speak to the condition of them?

Yeah, the windows on the front facade we've determined have been replaced within the last 30 years, perhaps.

So their condition is decent.

All of the bottom sashes are wasted.

The windows on the rear are certainly in poor shape.

And repairs would constitute over 50% of the assembly, hence replacement being recommended.

Okay.

Yeah, I just wanted to show the photos of the terrible condition they are in.

And so other people that are seeking window replacement know that this is an absolute case of window replacement needed.

Lots of times folks come up here and think their windows need to be replaced just because it has a chipping pane or something like that.

And this is a case where it truly needs to be replaced.

Is there a second?

I second.

Thank you.

Can I have a roll call, please?

Wait.

Oh.

Want to order point.

Go ahead.

And you're up to for signing on the meeting, so we can enter the motion.

We can't hear you.

Speak clear.

Madam Chair, sorry, we we're having trouble hearing you.

Okay.

You'll have to entertain the motion.

You're currently acting as chair, so you'll have to entertain a motion.

No.

Legal counsel said I can make motions.

So I'm making the motion.

My apology.

Thank you.

Is there a second?

Yeah.

I seconded.

Thank you.

Roll call, please.

Davis.

Aye.

Garcia.

Aye.

Regard.

I.

Spiller.

Hi.

Pollock?

Aye.

Speeds?

Hi.

Vasquez?

Hi.

Sabulva.

Aye.

Commissioner Fullerton, I see you're online.

Would you like to vote on this motion?

Yes, I.

Thank you.

Motion carries.

Great.

Thank you, sir.

Please work with staff on next steps.

Okay.

And thank you for replacing in kind.

Yep.

That's the key word.

Thank you.

And thank you.

Next case.

We'll move into we'll move on to the next case, Commissioners.

So this is CTAP case 2026-183 for 463 for drive.

The applicant is requesting a certificate of appropriateness for approval to remove a portion of the existing ribbon driveway closest to the primary structure and to replace it with a concrete driveway slab, as well as to install concrete in between and to the southeast of the remaining portions of the ribbon driveway as demonstrated in the proposed site plan.

Staff recommends approval of the request based on findings A through C with the following stipulations.

One, that the ribbons in the original locations and dimensions are maintained between the front plane of the primary structure and the driveway apron.

The ribbons may be done in new reinforced concrete.

Two, that only the ribbons behind the front plane of the primary structure be replaced with a concrete driveway, measuring a maximum of 10 feet in width.

And three, that an updated and dimension site plan adhering to all stipulations be submitted to staff prior to issuance of a certificate of appropriateness.

The applicant may include an updated proposal featuring permeable materials for in-between and on either side of the existing ribbon driveway between the front plane of the primary structure and the driveway apron.

And the applicant is here in person along with his representative.

If you'd like to approach the uh podium and introduce yourself, you'll have 12 minutes to speak.

And we do have an in-person uh speaker signed up to speak as well.

So we'll listen to them afterward.

Thanks, Adrian.

Thank you.

My name is Sue Ann Pimberton, and I'm here with Antonio Petrov as his architect representative.

And as you can see, um we uh we need to solve some problems, site problems at this particular property.

You ready for me to present it?

Okay.

So the um uh the currently the house in um Monticello still has its its ribbon uh driveway, which is very characteristic of the neighborhood and many neighborhoods in in the inner city.

The problem arises in uh site drainage.

Uh there's um basically it's a mud hole by the by the house and the access to the rear property is uh accessory dwelling.

And uh the proposal is to uh retain the existing ribbons at the front part of the yard, but at the house itself, uh that needs to go to um a slab to better uh drain the property, get a uh positive drainage.

Right now there's a negative drainage, and he's had uh thousands of dollars of foundation repairs on it just recently.

So the goal is to solve the drainage problem as well as solve the access to the rear yard to the accessory dwelling.

The um the concrete between the ribbons is intended to help slow the erosion, and we also want to put planting there to help absorb the the moisture.

So on the proposal, the um the existing ribbons remain if we can get to that's that site um that we would put concrete between those ribbons, because right now the decomposed granite just washes away because of the slope of the driveway.

And so by putting the concrete between the ribbons and then plantings in behind that, that can help slow the erosion as it comes down through the driveway.

So we do want to put in you know something to absorb moisture and um uh also gain you know a positive drainage and allow access to the accessory dwelling.

Staff's recommendation of a 10-foot slab is room for a parking car, but it doesn't really allow room for their tenants to uh get to their their property in the back.

Uh the tenant does um require some assistance in mobility and is uh so having enough space for them to get through the backyard is really important, as well as again solving that problem of uh access and drainage.

So that's our proposal.

Okay.

You have anything to say.

Um maybe if we can go uh through the proposal.

I think what's important to uh maybe speaking in this maybe go to the next one.

And if you wouldn't mind introducing yourself for the record.

I'm the owner of the of the house.

Thank you.

Uh one more, please.

One more.

Okay, uh, maybe one back.

Yeah, there you go.

So this is kind of currently uh the situation.

We have uh uh the ribbon, and I maintained it um uh the way it is.

However, like uh Swann mentioned, um, extensive uh rainfall, especially in the last few weeks.

That's kind of like increased um the issues here.

And uh I have a tenant that lives in my uh dwell um uh backhouse.

And uh especially when it rains like this.

Um it becomes impossible for my tenant to kind of like actually get into the back house if you go to the actual proposal.

Yeah, no, no, like all the way down one more.

One more.

There you go.

Yeah.

So this tries to address all of the existing issues.

Um we want to make sure that uh we maintain the integrity of the ribbon uh seen as seen from the street.

Um yet we're going to address real practical issues that make that make my investment actually worse.

Like I at this point, I'm investing, I just paid $20,000 for adjustment of the foundation in the front part of the house.

That's where all the water kind of like pools and and sinks the house, it sunk it by three three inches.

And I paid another $19,000 for a new air conditioning unit.

So I have a willingness to actually invest into the property, but it has to work.

It has to kind of like be functional.

And at this point, unfortunately, with all the mud, uh, it just isn't.

If you scroll down to the images, you can see this is my situation that this is just not a feasible uh uh condition.

And if you scroll down, it is becomes actually a problem in all of the uh ribbon um houses in the neighborhood, and they kind of distribute mud to the street.

And I wonder um if this kind of like helps us when it comes to integrity of the historic district.

However, if you then look at houses that have a different kind of uh typology to access the house, you don't really see um these kind of issues.

So yeah.

And currently the uh tenant has to walk on the neighbor's lawn in order to get to that backyard fence, and they have concrete blocks laid out so that they can get their uh and stay out of the and stay out of the mud.

So the current condition does not work.

Okay, thank you.

Can they have the response from the Nibra?

Uh yes, uh Bianca Modnado is signed in the suite.

Tom Simmons has yielded Tom to her, so Bianca will receive four total minutes.

Thank you.

Yeah, thanks.

Good afternoon, or good morning.

My name is Bianca Maldonado with Monticello Park Neighborhood Association Post Office Box 100 315, 78201.

We appreciate property owners seeking to invest and preserve their historic homes and property.

However, we disagree with staff's recommendation.

The existing ribbons from the front property line to the rear plane of the home should be maintained, as this is in the visible area of the property.

A mixed application of solid and ribbon would be a loss to this property.

Based on the submitted photos at 463, the owner has been driving on the has not been driving on the existing ribbons, which has exacerbated the situation at hand.

We recommend the property be regraded on the eastern side of the house, other site drainage solutions such as French strains be considered, and that new ribbons be configured with new support and new concrete.

New ribbons have been successfully executed with many other properties within the district, specifically just two doors down at 447 fur drive, and an admin approval was recently provided at 415 fur drive on the same block.

If you look at this photo here, um I think the applicant makes the case for preserving the the ribbon driveways.

If you look at the driveway in the middle, that's actually a solid driveway.

Of course, we are gonna have a runoff when people don't maintain a yard and we have slope and we have a lot of excessive drainage along driveways.

Most of these homes primarily drain along the driveways.

In regards to the existing streetscape documentation supplied by the applicant.

Um this is the photo with the other images of driveways in our community.

Um this is a perfect example of why the ribbon driveway should be preserved.

These photos are taken of properties that never had ribbon driveways and or were changed prior to be in the historic district.

With respect to the proposed rain garden in the middle of the ribbon driveway, we don't we do not believe that anything other than a ground cover plant should be considered.

Dwarf Yapun Hollies are not dwarf, they can get three to five feet tall.

Mealy blue sage, the same.

They both mature two in height to allow a vehicle to drive over them.

Also, the proposed installation of two crate myrtles will create an offset that will impede the operation of the vehicle to maintain its operation on the ribbons.

There are 31 homes on the 400 block of Fur Drive.

Of those 31 home, the four corner lots, 401, 402, 470, and 471 have double width driveway approaches off the side street.

There are 27 homes with driveway curb cuts on the 400 block of fur drive that face the north and south elevations.

Twenty of those homes have ribbon driveways.

That's 65 percent, folks.

That's a huge amount.

There are only seven that have solid driveways.

And so I provide an aerial image that shows the Xs where there are solid driveways and the check marks where there are currently ribbon driveways.

This is probably one of the highest percentages of ribbon driveways that remain in our community.

And this was a bond project that redid this entire street.

And the city was very sensitive to ensuring and maintaining proper connection.

Yes, there are photos of a washout in those prior photos.

There was one car that that's not driving on the driveway on the ribbons.

If you don't drive on the ribbons and it's muddy and you get on the on the dirt, of course, you're going to have even more runoff.

And so I know the person in that particular case is looking at addressing theirs too.

We respectfully request the approval for a reconstruction of a ribbon driveway from the property line to the rear fence and denial of the proposed plantings in the driveway.

We note that applicant the applicant can return to staff with more ground cover options for administrative approval.

We also provided an imagery of the topography that shows that the drainage on this lot is from the northeast to the southwest corner.

In closing quickly, we do know that other properties have enlarged the ribbons when they've done replacement in a marginal amount, and we would not be opposed to that as long as that center strip is maintained.

And we thank you for consideration of our comments.

If you have any other questions, I'm available.

Thank you.

And ma'am, while you're here.

You said the other two addresses that recently replaced their ribbons were 447 and 415 for a drive?

Correct.

415 has not done the work yet.

They just received approval.

Okay.

Administrative approval.

And then your the neighborhood wishes to keep the ribbon all the way to the back.

To the fence.

We thought it created a confusing history if you have a solid, if it was behind a fence and it wasn't visible, we understand.

And we see we see the challenges with the accessibility, but the challenges of maneuvering cars in a driveway, this exists at more than 50 percent of the houses in our neighborhood.

You know, and having a great relationship with a neighbor to be able to walk on their property, that's a that's a huge thing.

We get a lot of people who are a little adversarial with each other about that issue.

So I'm sensitive to it, but it's it's it's kind of a common feature that we see with the widths of our lots.

Sure.

And wasn't there a property on I think I remember from a previous case on Donaldson at the corner of Campman that had their ribbon replaced?

Up to the gate, yes.

Right.

It was on 600 block the corner of Campman and Donaldson, it was a triplex.

Yeah.

And they widened the was it the ribbon widened just a little?

I think they widened the ribbon just a little bit.

So we're we're amenable to that, but that's not what was presented, and I wasn't sure if we were going to stand up here and design it today.

So we we feel that that is supportive in reconstructing with a more solid concrete and a more if you see the new ribbons that are done, they're just very robust and can it really handle the weight of today's cars.

Sure.

And the other wishes of the neighborhood are to, let's see, keep the ribbon all the way to the back fence, and then also to deny the proposed plantings.

Yes, sir.

Like Dwarf Epon Holly, which would come up in the would hit the bottom of the car.

We feel that they're not functional recommendations for the operation of and preservation of a ribbon driveway and providing planting crate myrtles in the driveway, the same.

To me, that would make you go around it.

How would you open your car doors if you had crate myrtles on your property line on a driveway?

Once again, it's exacerbating the situation with the setbacks that you have between those two properties.

Great, thank you.

If you wouldn't mind hanging on just for a second in case there's other questions from my colleagues.

Yes, sir.

Any questions for uh the neighborhood representative?

Okay, thank you.

Um any questions from my colleagues on the left.

Any questions from colleagues on my right?

Uh yes, I have a question.

Or in regard to the landscaping.

Um you have a response to what was just stated about the landscaping.

Would you be open to the idea of using something else?

Absolutely.

That uh we definitely want to keep get something in there that's going to absorb moisture that's going to catch that runoff and uh keep it closer to the site.

Um doing the ribbons all the way to the to the back property or to the gate doesn't solve the access issue at all.

Um I think that the reason people aren't driving on the ribbons exactly is because they can't get out of their cars into a dry spot uh because the width is only wide enough for those vehicles, and um I don't think that's the case here, but we definitely think that a uh a solid concrete slab at the gate as a way to park and provide access and resolve the drainage issue is is a reasonable consideration, and that's what we're going for.

Thank you.

Can I maybe add something like um also if you look at the neighbors picture why they're parking not on the ribbons next to it, it's because somebody needs to pass, somebody needs to actually walk from A to B and they're using the ribbon and not like the areas that tend to be muddy and in rainy conditions like this.

That's why we're parking off the ribbon.

Any additional questions?

Any questions online, Madam Chair?

All right, any comments.

Yeah, I have a question.

Um people get in and out of their car on the left side pretty much.

Couldn't the ribbons be moved over a little bit to the right, making it able to park on the ribbons and still get out without being in the mud.

So uh commissioner, just to that point, um, you know, our guidelines state that the that the driveway ribbons be maintained in kind in place.

So moving them over is an alteration to the existing historic configuration that was there and it's in place.

Now you of course have the ability to craft a motion as you wish.

Um, but you know, our stance, of course, is that they be maintained where they are, uh, in particular between the front plane of the house and the street.

Any additional questions or comments?

Colleagues, no.

Just one clarification, right?

I mean, the there were some comments about um no one having an issue if the concrete slab were a concrete slab, they can build the fence, right?

Administratively equal to the front plane of the house.

So where they want to put that concrete pad could be behind a fence, right?

If if that's what they wanted to do, and then that would be administrative.

So um correct, right?

So generally speaking, our guidelines say that the ribbons should be maintained where they exist, right?

But and I'll refer you to our um our fence policy document here that we looked at in our last commission, where as you as you know, as you pointed out, Commissioner Davis, um right now the gate that they have is at the rear plane of the house, right?

And so technically speaking, the the ribbons are visible all the way to the gate at the back.

Now they have the ability to uh seek approval from us for moving that driveway gate forward to as as you know, to the front plane of the house to just behind it.

And so in doing so, then that um you know that driveway slab, that section of ribbons, if it were to be approved to be replaced behind the front plane of the house, you know, at any point it would become invisible from the right of way.

So it's not currently invisible from the right of way.

But because they have this, you know, available to them, then that's where we're saying, well, you know, if if you remove the ribbons behind it, you know, those could potentially be become invisible from the right of way.

Is that it, ma'am?

Thank you.

Uh go ahead, and madam chair online.

Thank you.

Let me know if you can hear me or not.

Speak just a little louder.

You sound like you're in a tunnel.

I'm so sorry.

There you go.

Okay, is that better?

Yep.

Okay.

The concern that I have is addressing back.

We're talking about the driveway ribbon.

And there's been a solution that was actually provided now when we can actually widen the ribbon, right?

The ribbons where the wires can be terminal.

That's one.

The other concern that I maintain it in terms of what we're trying to pull up with is you know, the ribbon driveway.

The other concern that I maintain it in terms of what we're trying to pull, which is you know, the ribbon driveway, there isn't a gate, and the request hasn't even been submitted for a certificate of appropriateness to have a gate maintained, which is already far end of the ribbon.

Okay, so we're already anticipating something that isn't in place right now, and I understand the concerns, but homes are in a different historical neighborhood, like that's already in place, and we have to take a look at where the others are.

Um a valid point has been brought up.

You're talking about, I believe the statement was like 65% of the house or maintaining criminal, you know, driven uh the ribbon driveways, and we're forecasting which isn't even in place right now, the drip uh ribbon driveways are going to be up to the face of the corner of the house, it's not there yet.

Okay, you can't make permissions on something what potentially is there and what is currently there now.

Okay, at what point are we not upholding what we've been requested by city council and the city and what's been put in place, and I know we can make amendments to certain things, but again, we're already making preventions and amendments to what is not in place, what has not been corrected, and what's not been requested.

That's my concern on what we have right now.

We're addressing the ribbon right now as it is where the city is the width of the ribbons, right?

Which is what the original application is.

We're not making a fourth process potential for what's going to potentially be that is my comments and question okay, great.

Thank you.

Um go ahead, uh Chris.

Thank you, Mr.

Vice Chair.

Um I I want to commend the uh applicant for having multiple years of careful stewardship here and and clearly the very thoughtful plan and the advised uh experienced architect and um historic preservationist at the same time.

I'm I'm remembering some of the comments of my colleagues here about the importance of content fixed and location and preservation.

Um beyond the compliance element of all of this, and we are the um to enforce the rules that you know have already been set aside uh protect this area.

I am uh reminded of the fact that being in a historic district sometimes means we take things as they are, we learn to adapt as best as we can in that context, and there are some modifications that we could make in the short term that might make life a little easier here and there, and I certainly appreciate that, but each little piece that we hack away start to take away some of the important elements of that district that or the reason for the district in the first place.

So I'm really reluctant to start saving off some of these uh elements uh that are important to the district.

That's all great, thank you.

Last call for additional comments or questions.

If not, um I'd like to attempt to craft a motion keeping the ribbon driveway all the way to the back of the current fence or to the end of the driveway to the current fence, allowing for uh width um allowing for extra width within the guidelines modifying the landscape to be ground cover, and I think that covers is that crafted enough so again stating my motion to keep the ribbon but allow for reconstruction within keeping the ribbons uh within guidelines, but allowing reconstruction and width extension so essentially you're crafting a motion to say recommend approval with the stipulation that the applicant.

So again, stating my motion to keep the ribbon but allow for reconstruction within keeping the ribbons uh within guidelines but allowing reconstruction and with extension.

So essentially you're crafting a motion to say recommend approval with the stipulation that the applicant keep ribbons.

The ribbons can be widened, they can be extended.

Um I think part of that maybe needs to note the extension where they need to stop.

Uh and then also you noted the inclusion of ground cover.

Uh so some parameters to that to say consistent with the policy guide for zero escaping, consistent with the guidelines, something for staff to be able to work with.

And I just want to craft it, ensuring that the ribbons go all the way to the current vents that's there right now, not just the front facade of the home.

Okay, you can note that.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, that's my motion.

Yeah.

Can we speak?

Oh.

No, we already have a motion in place.

Is there a second?

I second the motion.

Thank you.

Can I have a roll call, please?

Uh can we have discussion?

Oh, sure.

Um I'm not clear on what your motion is exactly because it sounds very similar to what the staff's recommendation is uh with maybe still needing some of the detail that was just mentioned.

So if you look at one, two, and three.

Um one says what you were saying, right?

That the ribbons in their original locations and dimensions are maintained between the front plane of the primary structure and the driveway apron.

Is that correct?

No.

The first recommendation is only to the front plane of the primary structure.

And you don't have an issue with that, right?

Or do you I do.

Okay.

Um it should be maintained all the way to the current back gate that is there, not to the front plane of the structure.

Do you understand?

Yes, I understand.

Thank you.

And I have the commissioner.

The uh width of the uh of the uh concrete we're approving it be widened by how much?

With whatever is within the guidelines.

Uh well the guidelines don't particularly state what the historic width of a ribbon strip is.

Uh the guidelines do give specifics.

The driveways in historic districts typically aren't wider than 10 feet.

Uh so uh in the past we've seen applicants submit a three-foot wide ribbon strip with a three-foot gap and then three-foot wide ribbon strip, and that's within 10 feet.

Um there there aren't parameters for for ribbon strips.

Uh at that point, either staff or the applicant would say uh, you know, my neighbor has a ribbon strip that's 32 inches wide, this neighbor has one that's 36 inches wide.

It it it's a little so can you s quickly answer what has been typically used within Monchella Park?

I don't know.

Is it 333?

Like you just mentioned, or I I don't know.

Well uh wider strips help solve the problem.

Right.

That's what I'm trying to allow for.

Uh yeah, I I have a question.

Uh would the vice chair um be interested or be amenable to um either withdrawing the motion and and postponing it until the next month to give uh the client and staff time to work um on another proposal.

Um because I I feel it just I'm agreeing with with Commissioner Garcia.

I'm a little confused on what the motion is, and I think the applicant is confused on the motion as well, because you had a question, yes.

Yeah, so I I was wondering if you would be amenable to postponing it and letting the applicant work with the staff on another proposal.

I don't wish to propose, I'm sorry, to postpone it.

Okay, but I'm trying to help you all understand what I'm trying to convey.

However, there could be an alternate motion or a substitute motion.

Uh-huh.

There was already a first and a second.

Correct.

But also instead of negotiating whether or not to recraft a motion, as a commissioner, you have the option to make a substitute motion or a motion to amend the main motion.

Yeah, I'll just say and I'll say, I mean, I'm not in agreement with this, but I think what you're trying to do is take staff's recommendation and change it from uh that it's maintained between the front plane of the primary structure and the driveway apron to the fence gate and the primary of the you know the the current fence gate or that all the ribbon driveway is maintained and and then that um you know two would be accepted at recommendation and three is the thing you have the the problem with, but I think in the sense that they have all the ability and right to put a fence up around up until the front plane of the house.

I mean, you know, I don't know if people would be upset, you know, more upset by the fence being moved than the concrete pad.

I mean, they can do it either way, and so it's just how much we're gonna make them change and pay before that point.

All right, well then so would an amendment be offered now, or do we vote on since there's no amendment on the floor?

You can continue to discuss the main motion.

All right.

I'll just call I call the question.

So now we she's calling the question, so she's asking for end of discussion and a vote on motion.

All right.

Roll call, please.

Davis?

Nay.

Garcia, nay.

Bergard?

Nay.

Spiller.

Aye.

Fullerton.

Nay.

Pollock?

Nay.

Speeds?

Nay.

Vasquez?

Aye.

And Sapulva.

Aye.

Motion feels an alternative alternative motion, please.

I move to uh accept staff's recommendations.

Is there a second?

Hi, second.

A roll call, please.

Discussion.

Go ahead.

Um it uh it might be better for the uh applicant to consider what alternative is best for them and revise the proposal between having the uh gate moved up and a ten foot driveway or widening the uh ribbons uh all the way back.

Aren't those both options?

Can I speak?

Go ahead.

Widening the ribbons all the way back resolves nothing, basically.

Doesn't address the the drainage issue, it doesn't address the accessibility issue.

Putting the uh slab and moving the fence doesn't allow any easier access to the rear yard than we have right now.

Uh it will allow us to elevate the the the pad so that it may become a little bit easier to walk on, but it's still going to it still doesn't resolve the drainage and it doesn't resolve the accessibility.

Working with staff recommendations, I think is is something that we can can move forward with.

Okay.

Thank you, ma'am.

Go ahead, uh Commissioner Fullerton.

Oh sorry, I forgot to get down.

Oh, okay.

Any other oh, go ahead, madam chair, madam chair.

Thank you.

I'm gonna go right back to the same thing on why we're called to be here.

And these permissions were set in place for us to safeguard the historical requirements that we've been putting place.

My concern is at what time are we gonna convene upon the guidelines?

And I understand amendments making modification, but again, my concern is these guidelines were put in place the same guard has already in so many of our neighborhoods have been done away with I'm looking at these at the recommendations, and I understand need you know for cover and advancement, but you're literally taking away.

And I'm looking at these at the recommendations, and I understand for cover and advancement.

But you're literally taking away.

I apologize.

Let me rephrase it.

We are not viewing on why you are saying on this board and commissions and upholding what we are asked to do.

We are asked to remove you all from this fourth decision and commissions.

Our personal view and put in the concerns on what is needed to maintain what so many areas are being done away with.

You know, councilmen and women.

Thank you, madam chair.

Um I'd second her comments and um say that this is uh why we are in place.

Um would it help the applicants if we like the other commissioner uh mentioned postponing this and allowing for further dialogue between the neighborhood and yourselves and this would be until next month?

We have a motion on the floor.

Yeah, you have a motion on the floor, sorry.

Yeah, then the other council.

So there's a motion in place, and so that closes the public hearing portion of it, and it's only discussion now between the commission to deliberate on the motion at hand as acting chair.

Can I call for discussion with the commission?

Because we know we already have a motion that has been properly second.

Can you restate the motion, please?

To accept staff's recommendations, go ahead and roll call.

Davis, aye Garcia Abstain, Bergard, nay Spiller, nay Fullerton aye, Pollock?

Aye speeds, nay Vasquez?

Nay.

And supplied that.

Can you repeat, please?

Nay, thank you.

Motion feels thank you.

I'd like to um propose a second or a third motion to continue this case until next month's uh meeting, and that's welcome and allow the neighborhood, the applicant and staff to work with each other on an acceptable way to move forward on this because obviously it's uh there's a lot to discuss is there a second second.

Thank you.

Can I have a roll call, please?

Oh, what is the date?

Sorry, so I can state that in the motion of the next meeting.

The next CTAB hearing is on Friday, August the 21st.

Great.

The motion is to postpone until August 21st, 2026.

Does the second agree?

Yes.

Thank you.

Roll call, please.

Davis.

Aye.

Garcia.

Aye.

Regard.

Aye.

Spiller.

Aye.

Fullerton.

Aye.

Pollock?

Aye.

Speeze?

Aye.

Vasquez?

Aye.

Incipula.

Aye.

Motion carries.

Thank you.

Please work with staff on the next steps and also with the neighborhood going forward.

Thank you.

Before we move on, uh Chairwoman Sepulveda, translation uh is unable to understand what you're saying for their translation.

Um is there a way that you could um try to adjust your audio or if you could call in using your cell phone and just mute your computer volume as well as your speaking volume.

Uh we may be able to hear you better that way.

It's also difficult for us here in the boardroom to hear you clearly.

Um so if you could call in, then maybe.

Thank you.

Item number three on the compliance and technical advisory board agenda, case number 2026-169-406 Dallas Street.

The applicant is requesting a certificate of appropriateness to replace 11 historic one over one wooden windows with a fiberglass double-hung window product.

Uh good morning.

Not quite yet.

Okay.

Staff does not recommend approval of window replacement.

Existing windows should be repaired and retrofitted consistent with the guidelines.

The applicant may provide additional information during the repair process to demonstrate the feasibility of retaining original materials for further consideration of replacement on a window-by-window basement basis with an appropriate replacement product.

Um the applicant has provided an additional um presentation of sorts, which is in your late folder.

And uh we have Bob Tagle here, and uh you can go ahead and address the commission.

Go ahead and introduce yourself and state your case.

My name is Bob Dogley, and as as uh Catlin said, we would like to replace some uh windows at our house.

I bought this house in 1979.

It was a rundown duplex.

It is located between Central Catholic High School and the Baptist More Hospital.

It's a noble neighborhood.

Uh when I bought the house, uh we wanted to live downtown.

I worked with the city and my wife worked at San Antonio College, so it was something we it was a neighborhood where we wanted to live.

We renovated that house.

We did all the electrical, all the plumbing, air conditioning.

Uh we still have the uh old bathtubs with the claw feet inside the house.

We have all the old doors, they have all the old engines.

Uh I kept the transome windows for many years.

Uh we were very faithful to the inside of the house.

But when we tried to repair the windows, the windows were so out of kilter that they really couldn't be repaired.

I was trying to figure out how to show you.

I know we have some photographs, but I want to try to show you something.

Imagine this is imagine this is my house.

Because there have been so much rain damage.

Sir, you gotta speak into the mic as best you can.

Imagine this as my house, the front part of the house.

This is the right hand side.

There had been so much rain damage, the gutters had never been kept up, the house had never been kept up.

The house was built around 1912.

What happened was that the house, the rain and the problems twisted the house like this.

So the the right hand side of the house, every wall in the right hand hot right hand side of the house leans forward.

The windows were part of that problem also.

We try to repair the windows back when we bought the house, but I think the carpenter finally gave up and said all we can do is try and square them.

The sashes are still there, but the weights were taken out.

The windows are the windows are very wobbly, they're uneven.

They look really good right now because we hired Jim Smith, the colorist to help us pick colors for the inside.

Those windows are painted with really good quality enamels, so they look nice, but they sit, they sit in a frame that does not fit the windows.

They're very wobbly.

The top is loose, the bottom is loose.

Uh over the years, I've stuck paper in there, I've stuck t-shirts in there, I've stuck foam in there, all kinds of material to try to insulate them so that the wind does not come in.

So that's why I want to replace the windows.

And on top of all of that, uh I live in a really weird neighborhood.

Uh I've had a couple of battles with garbage dumpster trucks.

We won those because they were picking up the truck that the garbage at two o'clock in the morning, and there was that my house was very noisy.

Uh every Friday night or Saturday night, I hear from Central Catholic quarterback number 10, 10 yards.

Uh and then at night sometimes I hear people walking up and down my street saying, I'm gonna kill you, you MF.

So it's a kind of a weird neighborhood.

And on top of all that, uh I appreciate what Caitlin has helped with showing the history of the neighborhood.

And 1988, a group of people walked down my street and lagged my house and saying that's historically significant.

It's supposed to be an American four-square house.

But what surprises me is the neighbors on my side, all those homes look just like my house, but they've all been allowed to install new windows and remodel.

They're all bed and breakfast now.

They're beautifully done.

I've gone in each one of them.

Everyone has has changed their windows out.

I can't seem to do it.

Across the street is another house that also windows were changed out.

That may be another issue.

But the windows, again, I've talked to a talk to two guys, I've talked to one guy, uh, and she's familiar with that person who said, Well, we can fix your windows, we can tighten them up, but you're not going to be happy, they're not going to be what you want.

And we may have to putty all the windows so you won't be able to raise them again.

Well, I cook in the kitchen.

A lot of times I like to raise my windows.

There's always a stick there that I put there, and I always shudder because my cat loves to jump in there, and I'm afraid he's going to knock it down at some at some point.

So it's not a it's not a reason of vanity or being capricious that I want to change the windows.

It's because they do need to be changed.

I would like to have a better quality of life.

And uh I'm asking that you you know reconsider the recommendation.

Uh I was really surprised when the lady walked in and said that said uh this is going to be in Spanish.

If you all remember at one time in San Antonio language was German, Spanish, and English.

And the community that I lived in, all the property around my house were uh German German folks.

And the research I found in 1909, when Eugene Davis sold that piece of property, he sold it to a guy named Jay Nix.

Nick's hospital.

It was it was an it was a part of property, there was a lot of flip-flopping going on, a lot of investors, a lot of mortgage lenders.

I'd like to look at all the deeds, he kept going back and forth.

But for some reason, whoever were the owners of my property and the properties of Jesus, we never took care of the property, so it's it's it's not it's again it's not it's not a capricious or a reason for vanity.

I just want to have nice windows so that I can die in my house like my mother and father died in their homes.

And that's what I'm asking you to consider.

The gentleman with the windows I picked, I did a lot of research on windows.

These are inserts that go into the frames that will fit the frames.

They won't be wobbly anymore.

Uh it's it's an insert, it's not a full, full window, ugly window, because I wanted to keep keep all the glass as white as possible, and these windows keep the glass as wide as possible.

And the frame around the sashes is a very narrow.

It's a very narrow frame also.

So that is why we're here.

Uh the gentleman from the Southwest Exteriors is here.

He can answer your technical questions.

But again, uh I personally, when we bought the house, we preserved as much of it as possible.

I I just concerned that in 1988, when those folks walked around my freshly painted house, they said, Oh, this house looks good.

But I don't think they walked around the corner.

So and they didn't look at the windows.

And I know Kay didn't look in the windows, and she says they look good, but they look good because I picked good quality enamel.

I've always taken care of everything inside, but they move back and forth, they can go up and down.

So that's what I'm here for, and I'm asking for you to for your consideration.

It's not historic district, but it's an old, very old neighborhood.

A neighbor across the street, uh one time said, look out in front of your street, and I said, Well, what am I looking at?

You see those lines going down your street?

They used to be a trolley from Broadway to over to Romana Plaza at one time.

So this is what we're looking at, just to replace those windows so we can be comfortable.

And again, it it it was a re it was a result of poor maintenance over many, many, many years.

Thank you.

Are there any questions?

If you'll hang on just a minute, um I'll ask our colleagues or my colleagues.

Um questions from my colleagues on the left.

Go ahead.

I have uh two.

Uh one I think might be for staff.

Is this not a historic neighborhood?

Correct.

This is not a district.

Uh this home is individually landmarked.

Got it.

And um second, I saw the demonstration with the box, which was lovely, but like when you're saying okay, the house twisted and and so the windows don't function the way they would.

It's hard to imagine, or I'm missing the link to how then when you put in new windows that they're not going to be kind of functionally in the same situation.

When we remodeled the carpenters were able to take out the windows and fix the frames.

I mean, they couldn't get them really snug.

So the windows that we're buying, uh and and the and the rep can explain to you how those how those answers will fit, how they will be able to to to uh to to incorporate the material around the windows so that they are straight and so they are square.

But right now I can open some of the windows because if I do they'll fall down.

And uh it's it's a little dangerous, but we've lived I've lived with it for many years.

Oh, I forgot to tell you what triggered all this.

All these years I've put up with a problem.

The guy that lives next to me, the owner of the property next to me, which you probably know is Jim Slipshoe.

That's a rental property.

For years, for years, we've had wonderful, wonderful tenants.

And this last year, uh they began leasing the property to businesses, and they leased the property to a dog boarding place.

And the dogs were barking all day long.

On my fence, I had to put cloth, cloth fencing, aluminum fencing, because I couldn't I couldn't enjoy my backyard.

I couldn't go outside because I had one dog that would be slapping and slapping and slapping on the fence all the time.

One of my other neighbors asked me about that too.

And he said, on the other side, he had the same problem.

So those folks are gone, and for a long time, for a couple of months, I kept thinking, what am I gonna do?

What am I how can I put up with this noise?

I have PTSD, and uh that was that was what basically triggered for all these years.

I I suffered with poor windows, but that was that was a trigger, and that's why I approached Southwest.

I did some research and I found maybe these windows will give me a better quality of life.

Thank you.

Additional questions from colleagues on my left.

None.

On my right.

I have a question for staff.

Uh Caitlin, probably you.

Um, is this was this considered or designated historic purely based on architectural style, or was there something that gave it other significance?

Sure.

So um in 1988 there was a sweeping ordinance where I think close to a thousand properties were designated historic.

Um sometimes there is not context for us to rely on as to why.

Uh staff.

I did some research um to understand that um Mr.

Togley's home, in addition to three along Baltimore, in addition to two that have been demolished, so a total of six houses were developed by Joe Nix, of course, behind Majestic, Emily Morgan.

Um, and so you know that stands to reason that there's significance to the exact property.

Thank you.

And my other question is there some kind of sample of the window replacement material.

We have one back here.

Yes, we do.

Or maybe just show the commission.

I'll walk it down the line for you.

I I would add to this, but he's a technical guy, but I asked specifically for windows that had a big a big view.

And that's when I found my research, this particular window by Marvin is the only one that has a big view and a narrow frame around it.

So when it goes in, it'll look just the same.

And that material is fiberglass?

Yes, sir, it is fiberglass.

And is that within guidelines?

No.

Um as we've determined that these windows.

You know, it's not necessarily in black black and white in a lot of these cases.

I didn't see any evidence to suggest that these were later replacements.

Um so the guidelines for original wood window replacement requires that the replacement product is fully wood, not a clad product.

Thank you.

I would like to add that I bought my house in 1979 and maybe 10 years later or 12 years later, these rules and guidelines were proposed or manufactured.

Go ahead.

Thank you.

May I say something real quick on the easier?

Yeah, okay.

So just state your name, please.

Chris McKay, Southwest Years.

I am the sales manager at this current time.

What I did want to share about this window is it was specifically designed by Infinity from Marvin to maintain that classic wood window look.

So no, it is it is not wood.

And from what I can see in all of the um standards and guidelines, this window can meet almost every single of the uh requirements, with the exception of the one that's kind of in question, which is just the material itself.

So although it's not wood, it does say non-wood products can be approved if you know the commissioners see fit to.

So that's what we would ask to consider is that really what this is is a window that preserves that classic wood look, but doesn't have all of the maintenance and requirements that go into keeping that long, you know, preserving that long term.

The window does it for itself in the nature of its material, which is the fiberglass, which doesn't have you know the need for that constant maintenance.

So it's a window solution that the clients likely never to have to revisit again and still maintains that classic wood look.

So well, thank you.

I appreciate that you came out, and I know you got to do your job as selling windows, uh, but just looking at that uh profile of the window, the width of the sash and the dial.

Uh those are drastically different from what is historically there, what is original to the home, or at least is that correct?

Those windows appear to be original to the home.

I'm not the ones that are currently.

Oh, yes.

Yeah, yes.

These are different, but within threshold.

Within specs, the cap of the specs.

So what you're looking at is visually different than what's there now, but it is within the specs of the guidelines.

But that's the point.

Okay.

Jason.

We're not the historic style of the home.

No.

Jason, the only people that walk in front of my house are homeless people.

So thank you.

Thank you.

Uh you've answered my questions about the window.

I have one more for uh staff.

Um what is the condition of the existing windows?

Uh, you know, in terms of material and repair or replacement with the material in kind or at all.

So the the windows themselves, the sashes, the top, the bottom, are in really great shape.

Yes, some of them are um you know held up by nails and things because um the weights are either removed that the string and pulley system isn't working, or um, as Mr.

Togley says, it sounds like there are some squaring issues.

Um, however, they are in repairable shape.

And the recommendation does have a little wiggle room saying, you know, during the repair process, if it's determined that you know what has to be done exceeds um 50% or more of the original product, then we can reevaluate on a case-by-case basis.

Thank you.

Mr.

Togley, uh you mentioned something about inserts, uh not replacement windows.

But this looks like a replacement.

Well, let's say that's because it's hard.

Chris, the window is in your frame.

The window is in your frame, it's gonna go in in my frame.

The exterior of my window is gonna stay the same.

Uh the the the trim will not come down.

It'll just go in.

The little trim boards will go back in.

It'll be re it'll be filled up.

I think they're thinking that we're buying a window.

I think inserts are something totally different than a window replacement, which is what you are proposing.

Yes.

Uh so inserts would go inside the home.

And do you have any would that be something that's a good idea?

I think it were just kind of um talking about semantics here.

Um the window product that is being proposed doesn't have a nail fin, meaning that it's likely the appropriate recess from the finished material could be achieved.

Um window inserts are yes, a different different product, but I think in this case it's we're it's semantics.

But we're not we're not taking down any wood.

We're not taking the frame inside, and we're not taking the frame on the outside.

Once the old sashes are taken out, it'll go in.

But if you properly restored the windows to their original state, there's many uh craft persons that uh do restore windows for a living and specialize in historic windows.

Um then you can put your inserts on the inside.

That will help with your noise barrier.

And then second thing I wanted to bring up was you mentioned the house was twisting.

Um but you want to change the windows, and I think she alluded to it at over there.

You're the house is twisting, but you're not getting to the root problem.

The house has twisted we've done the foundation three times the this this the when we bought the house in 1978, 79, that's when it was twisted when we started doing the remodeling of course we did the foundation first to get things level then we added the roof then we started doing the insides when when we try to repair the windows that's when we found even the windows were twisted.

The walls the back the back of my house comes in the bathroom comes in the front room comes in the windows all the windows with the carpenters did because it were twisted they took out the frames we replaced the frames squared them as much as possible put the put the sashes back in.

So it's not twisting right now.

Yes of course everybody in my neighborhood has foundation problems because it's clay soil all around it's clay all around but the house is not twisting I mean right now with the rain I've got one door that's sticking but once it dries up it won't it won't stick again.

So the twisting is going to continue and that's not uh replacement of the windows it's not the roof.

Well one of Chris Chris one of the what I what I when I talk to the salesman about it the windows if the house does move they can come back and readjust it.

Okay.

Thank you.

Any uh questions go ahead I just have a comment I think the key to me is where staff said if there is a problem with the replacement they're willing to go out and look at it on a case by case basis.

And to me that sounds like a very reasonable alternative that gives you some leeway go ahead oh uh any further comments online questions or comments I I do have a minute go ahead madam chair I'm switching to my phone can you hear me on the phone now?

A lot better thank you.

Okay.

Okay thank you.

Um I I guess my concern at this point is not so much uh the windows itself as what the purpose of the window and I understand because you made a statement and I don't want to make it so focused on that but I have a concern only because I understand the underlying purpose of it.

So my concern for the window then the replacement it falls under another area that I hadn't really reviewed it.

Um I and I'm a big sticker for guideline and material compliant however there's there was a statement about here comfort right and it's something that I do need to be able to entertain because if the foundation was taken care of the doors and there's certain things that he wanted to go through is the material right are there other things because I know there's provisions being made to be able to you know beat the material accommodation and I'm like I said I'm a big believer in with natural air national item but I think um for me it was something that was stated that I I now have a concern about um but I don't know if this is something that needs to be addressed at a at a at a later date or how do we get to you know get to the discussion to where it's not so directed at so much of the material.

Again I'm agreeing with you vice chair about and one of our other topics about the materials being altered however um his his situation is a concern for me thank you quality of life excuse me it's a qual it's a quality of life issue also it's it's a rough neighborhood we used to two murders were have occurred in my neighborhood in the back one of the homes back two murders were were took place there in the late nine the late nine early 1980s it's a rough neighborhood it's homeless walking up and down I had burglar bars on my windows but I took them down last year.

And that's one of the reasons why I also want to have better quality windows.

I have maybe maybe she says that's what I'm talking about.

But the neighborhood associations I know I know I know you all are concerned about quality of life in your neighborhood in your neighborhoods and in mine we don't have a neighborhood association.

When we first moved there, we used to have the park rangers go by the Madison Square Park every day, they don't go by there anymore.

We used to have the bike patrol go by there every day.

They don't go by there anymore.

I've when I when I call the park police for pullings, if they talk to some homeless, they'll say we can't do anything about it.

So it's it's kind of a it's kind of a situation where I'd like my well-being also my my mental health and my well-being to be supported by having a place where I can live comfortably.

Thank you.

And I see your uh point about quality of life and um you need to ask for patrols by your uh I've got I've I've got them on my fast aisle, this the safe the safe patrol people, but uh anyway.

Well, we're not here to discuss it.

So um any additional questions or comments from my colleagues.

If not, I ask for a motion.

I'd like to make a motion.

Go ahead.

I would like to start by saying that I can uh sympathize with your situation.

Um I think it probably is difficult to have to uh adhere to um historic guidelines without being in a historic neighborhood.

Um I think your house is a beautiful example of that particular style.

Um I would also say that um it's not necessarily the beauty of the house that maybe they saw when they walked by and designated your house as potentially historic or historic, as it was the bones of it.

Um and to some degree that is what we're here to consider along with your request, is that those elements of the house that make it unique and therefore historic uh should be uh not only adhered to or maintained but um you know preserved.

Um so I think that when you talk about things like uh noise, that there are solutions to that.

What my colleague has been uh mentioning when he was talking about uh inserts was that there are noise inserts that you can put in behind the front behind the window to help cut down on street noise and maybe also provide an extra layer of protection.

So I think that there are other remedies that you could look at, but given the state of these windows and the willingness of staff's recommendation that they're willing to work with you on a window by window basis.

I would like to make the motion that uh I would like to make the motion to support staff's recommendation.

And I'll second that.

Can I have a roll call, please?

Davis.

Aye.

Garcia?

Aye.

Regard?

Aye.

Spiller?

Aye.

Fullerton.

Aye.

Polyg?

Aye.

Speech?

Aye.

Vasquez?

Aye.

And Spovada.

Aye.

Motion carries.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Please work with staff on the next steps.

Next case.

Item number four on the compliance and technical advisory board agenda, case number 2026-164, 1914 East Houston Street.

The applicant is requesting a certificate of appropriateness to install a 10-foot-wide concrete driveway and 12-foot wide approach with curb cuts at the northeast corner of the lot.

Staff does not recommend approval to install a new 10-foot-wide concrete driveway and 12-foot wide approach with curb cuts at the northeast corner of the lot.

Uh Richard Gonzalez, the applicant should be online.

Okay.

Um can you unmute Richard and let us know?

Yes, I'm here.

Thank you.

Um if you could state your name and then um you can present your case.

Yeah, good morning, uh commissioners.

My name is Richard Gonzalez.

I'm the owner of 1914 East Houston Street.

Uh thank you for your time today.

I understand the staff's concern regarding the proposed driveway location.

After the receiving the recommendation, I spent several days working with the Z city zoning department to determine whether the rear alley could be used instead.

I met with uh Mr.

Luis Mendoza, the engineer associate for streets and traffic.

I also met with Jesse Lopez, the senior engineer technician for land development.

After reviewing the property in the alley, they confirmed that the alley cannot be considered for legal off-street parking due to its configuration and condition.

Because the alley is not a viable option, the proposed driveway is the only practical way to provide safe legal off-street parking for the property.

The driveway is only 10 feet wide, consistent with the historic design guidelines, and it does not alter the historic character of the home.

So approving the request would be consistent with the existing character and functionality of the block.

For those reasons, I respectfully respectfully ask for your approval.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Thank you.

Is there any public comment on this?

No public comment, but I do believe that you have a letter from the Digga Witty Hill Neighborhood Association.

Thank you.

All right.

Any questions from my colleagues on the left?

I think I see you down there.

No.

Uh yeah, I guess I just have one.

In this might be for staff, but is that how many houses are on this street?

Do they have driveways?

I mean, uh, let's have a look.

I'm here on Google.

So far, um, of course, these homes seem to have driveways.

The context is a bit different in that there is room on these lots for the driveway to go by the side of the home to the rear yards.

Uh that condition does not exist at the property in question.

And just to the applicant, um, I'm I'm guessing this is not an available option, but the parking lot that's next door to the home, what is that in and can it not be used either, or is there no?

Yeah, so we've been you we were we were using that as our parking.

It's actually owned by the church behind the building.

Um unfortunately, they just made a contract um with a restaurant that's moving Caddy Corner uh on Huebos uh restaurant.

So they're gonna be taking over this this parking lot, and it's gonna be monitored now uh 24 hours.

There's gonna be towing.

So that's how we kind of got away with the um off-street parking for a while.

Uh we had permission from the church, but unfortunately they gave us notification that we're no longer gonna be able to park there.

So there's the since it's on Houston Street, there's absolutely no off-street parking.

You can't park in front of Houston Street.

So you're talking about all in front of the house.

There's no parking.

So this this house would have no available parking on any side of it without a driveway.

Correct.

Thank you.

Anything further.

It's hard for me to see that in.

No, no, no.

Thank you.

On my right.

Online.

Go ahead, madam chair.

I just want to clarify.

This is the view from the from the back of the house.

Yes, what you're seeing now is a view of the rear yard and alley.

Okay.

And the report that the applicant is the meeting came from what department.

Um Richard, could you clarify who you spoke with again, please?

Yeah, it's both the streets and traffic department, and also uh land development.

Okay.

And they confirmed I had to submit photos, videos.

Um, they confirmed that that alley is not complete.

There's no uh exit the other way, so for emergency vehicles or anything to go by.

Um, I mean, we tried every angle.

Um I was trying to see if if they would allow me to do a rear entry.

Okay.

No, Richard, the question was where did you get the report?

Which is what I needed.

But the other thing is if this is the access, but you can't get emergency vehicles to the front.

Now is this is this a residential where it's your personal home?

Or is it a business?

No, it's it's a residential.

So do you live here?

No, it's a rental property.

Okay, so it's a rental property.

Correct.

Okay.

And you're saying that you can't get any emergency vehicles through this property, but yet you have the big traffic area in the front.

Which is what is what you just stated, correct?

Yes or no?

Simple as that.

Yes or no.

So that was one of your statements.

Yeah, to have.

Okay.

Okay.

The other thing was is that this came from the state, I mean from the city, and you're stating that they don't have access to it, but you're saying that this is a rental property.

But my concern is just as y'all were using the church where the church actually put black pop, and from my understanding, the other area in the back where they're using it also as a parking from the image that you're providing, and the report that I'm actually viewing.

Being a business owner if a residential property investment is required, so therefore I guess you can work with the city.

I mean, I'm just I'm looking at it from what I can understand, and from sustainability and I'm sure you work with sustainability too, right?

Is that correct?

Yes.

That law, that lot is zone commercial.

The the it is zone commercial.

No, the MV lot is commercial.

That's why they're able to do a uh a parking lot there.

Oh but yours is residential?

Yes.

Yes.

Okay.

Anything else, Madam Chair?

Up until now you were parking in this parking lot if you were given notice.

But from the look of it, you open the back of the fence right now.

I mean, that's what I was trying to do.

I I was trying to figure out any solution.

As you can see, they roped off the parking lot because it's gonna be starting to be monitored now.

So if anybody parks overnight in there, I mean they're gonna be towing every car.

Okay, so can I see the property line of this property real quick?

There should be a survey.

So assuming that they're gonna keep this property, you're gonna be requesting a fence line on the where the parking lot is.

Not that I'm predicting, but seeing that they're now they're gonna have parking.

Is that gonna be the next request for you?

I'm sorry I didn't catch all that.

Let's stick to the uh see how you have a fence to the to one side and a parking lot to the other Madam Chair.

I gotta ask for a point of order here.

Uh we gotta stick to the driveway.

No, that's fine.

Thank you.

The driveway uh debate her at question.

I just have one follow-up to that discussion.

Go ahead.

Um I think you started trying to say this, but basically you've investigated with the city, is what you're saying to to be able to use that alley to then put a driveway in the back of the property where it's open.

Is that right?

Correct.

Thank you.

Um staff, can I see that photo you have of the parking lot next door?

It doesn't seem to be seem to be in our packet.

Is that the only view?

Can you uh enlarge it so I can maybe see the street the front at the front?

I'm looking for the uh no parking sign.

There it is.

Um and that no parking sign?

Does anybody know what it says?

I mean, are there no parking in this block or no parking from here or does anybody know?

It just seems a little there.

We go this side.

Um I would think that that could be potentially another avenue uh to pursue in terms of you know being able to park in front.

I mean, I don't I don't see why, you know, given this situation that couldn't be an option potentially.

That's just a comment.

Are you just to clarify?

Are you saying to park on the other side of the street?

No, I'm saying that maybe he could work with the city department to have uh this sign not apply to his property given the hardship.

Possibly move down, I think.

Yeah.

Because it's right in front of his home or his renter's home.

I I I don't believe that's possible.

I I don't either.

I don't think there's any shoulder or anything.

I mean, that lane's right there on the curb.

I think if someone parked there, they're certainly real dangerously put.

I think it's more likely we could get a variance from the city to use the uh the alley.

I think so too, but uh we're not here to talk about traffic patterns again.

We're here to talk about a driveway.

And from what I see uh staff, was there room for a driveway in the back coming from the back alley?

Because it appeared.

I think he just said that that's what he went through the city with.

That that's what I was clarifying.

He tried to do that, and the city said they can't do it.

Because there's no through and through access, so an emergency vehicle can't go all the way through, they'd have to back up.

So there's no access to the to the driveway through the alley.

That he did try and work with zoning for that.

That wasn't my understanding.

But let me uh let me hear it from staff.

I can't speak to the conversations in which the applicant has had with other departments.

Um I think the initial question was does it seem as though the site could accommodate rear parking?

And yes, I believe that it could, but beyond the condition of the alley, I don't have any knowledge.

Of course, again, we're getting off topic, but uh the applicant or his renters or whoever should not be parking in the alley.

Um that is against city ordinance.

Um, but there is room for a driveway in the back.

And if an emergency vehicle were to come, I would think they'd stop in the front street along Houston uh to help anyone, or um yeah, or even back up into the house if there were a driveway and back.

Any further questions or comments?

I'd like to make a motion.

Go ahead.

I'd like to make an um a motion to uh grant the applicant's request as stated.

I second.

And in support in discussion, if that's where we're entering now.

And I think in line with what we've done just done at the last meeting to allow someone to install a 16-foot wide concrete slab in front of their home because the parking conditions weren't weren't allowing anyone to park in front of the home.

I think this even more than that.

I mean, this is a guideline-specific driveway.

He's investigated all other alleyways of trying to put in some parking, but he's completely restrained from parking per what he's saying.

Granted, we can't verify his discussions with city and zoning, but you know, if that's what he's come in telling us, then I think it's a perfectly uh reasonable request.

Just responding to your account, or I think that was a motion or yeah, because I made a motion, it was seconded, and then this that was my supporting discussion.

Um I just don't see that being apples to apples uh a case.

That was here in I forget the name of the history, Nathan over here, that case you're talking about the one from last month.

I don't recall the neighborhood of the street.

Excuse me.

But there was a similar discussion in May when I was last here.

Uh in the Nathan Historic District, right down the street from here.

And they wanted a driveway in the front.

It was it was um it was last month when we were here that we had a late meeting.

It was like moved to the fourth Friday.

There was an applicant who came in and asked to put in a 16-foot to it to increase the width of their driveway to double space because he had purchased a home, knowing that they were gonna have several users of that home and wanted to be parked side by side and increase the width of the driveway, that was very similar to this.

And it was granted, and I think this, you know, is the is the exact same circumstances.

That there is nowhere else for him to park.

This is a home with absolutely no parking, no street parking, no access to the parking lots that are next to it, no access to build an alley in the driveway.

I don't I don't think this applicant would have come here asking and going through all this trouble if you could administratively put in a parking lot from the back alleyway, considering the fence is open for that opportunity.

I I think that was a different circumstance, but um is there any additional comment?

I just want to reiterate what my colleague said that uh I don't think the applicant I think he's basically out of options.

Thank you.

Can I have a roll call, please?

I have a comment.

Oh, I'm sorry, I missed you.

Go ahead.

Thank you.

I don't think this is the same situation.

If you take a look at the front of the property, if you can go back to the front of the property, please.

Okay, if you'll take a look to the left of the house.

A little bit further down.

I can see where a added drive can be put in there to where a vehicle can be parked to the side.

But to have that entirely concreted, I would disagree.

I can understand making adaptation, make an amendment and you know, supporting the applicant.

But you're talking about maybe change it to the front of the house.

Um even further down we use the driveway.

Um I can see I can see making adjustments and putting, you know, going with sustainability and doning and adding a drive, but concreting the entire front of the home.

I I I don't agree with that.

So just again, certain requirements that we're supposed to be maintaining.

And I do agree that there the you know the applicant is going through every measure, you know, to comply.

But it also falls on us to come up with also an amendment to comply with what we're actually required to maintain as well.

And if we're looking down the rest of the neighborhood, that would be something that would be that could be considered.

So just in response, and I'll invite any of my colleagues to, you know, uh uh uh uh fix my memory if I misrecalling, but last month we approved someone basically paving their entire front yard in the same way for that same thing, and not with a 10-foot wide driveway, but with a 16-foot driveway, so that they could do side by side for the exact reason that there was no room on the side of the house for him to put in a driveway or extend it.

This isn't gonna take up the front of the house, I don't believe, and I you know I know we we can't go back to the applicant, but uh and I don't know how wide the front of the house is, but he's asking for a 10-foot wide driveway, which I don't believe is gonna cover the entire thing.

It is gonna be significant, but I don't think it's gonna cover the whole front yard.

Thank you.

Additional comments.

The trees will have to come out, will they not?

Yeah.

That is another issue.

Thank you.

Um and I would just like to make the comment that um I think that the cases we consider are all unique and individual, and um that we could get into discussion about um why this case is similar to that case from last month or not.

Um but I would just rather um consider these circumstances for this case.

So I am trying to do that, but I am doing it based on historic meetings.

Thank you.

I think uh we're ready.

Wait, go ahead.

Sorry.

What is the distance between the columns on the porch?

And the reason I ask if the driveway were equal to that, I don't think it would look too out of kilter.

You've got one foot on the design between the fence and the driveway.

It looks like the first column is a foot off.

I don't know if anyone can answer that question, staff.

I have one clue, possibly the other.

Sir online.

We've got to take out those trees no matter what.

All right.

We have a motion on the floor.

Let's do a roll call, please.

Davis.

Aye.

Garcia?

Nay.

Regard?

Nay.

Spiller?

Aye.

Fullerton.

Nay.

Pollock?

Aye.

Speeds?

Nay.

Vosquez?

Nay.

And Sepulveda.

Nay.

Motion fails.

Thank you.

Is there an alternate motion, please?

If not, I'd like to approve what staff recommendations.

Can we put can we can we go back up to the picking board first before I make the motion, please?

Okay, thank you.

Um I motion support staff recommendation.

Thank you.

I second that.

Thank you.

Second.

And roll call, please.

Oh.

Any discussion?

I I do have one comment uh towards the discussion.

There is a letter uh from the historic neighborhoods historic association.

I just wanted to draw people's attention to that.

It's in your folders.

And they are in support of staff's recommendations.

Thank you.

Yeah, I have a little discussion.

I think this is a mistake, and I think we're preventing use of this property.

Roll cloud, please.

Davis?

Nay.

Garcia.

Yes.

Bergard?

Aye.

Spiller?

Nay.

Fullerton.

Aye.

Pollock?

Nay.

Speeds?

Nay.

Bosque?

Aye.

And Sepulveda.

Aye.

Motion carries.

Thank you.

Sir, please work with staff on next steps.

Just a reminder for the commission that item number five 164 Herman has been postponed to the next hearing.

Great.

So we'll move on to item number six.

And just to note we do have a citizen to be heard for item number six.

We'll hear them at the appropriate time.

Thank you.

Item number six, CTAP case number 2026-157, 200 Donaldson Avenue.

The applicant's requesting a certificate of appropriateness for approval to install the fiber cement lab siding over the existing asbestos tile and 117 wood siding on site.

Staff does not recommend approval of the request based on findings A through C.

Staff recommends that the applicant repair existing wood siding, the installation of fiber cement siding featuring a four-inch reveal and a smooth finish is eligible for administrative approval on the portions of the structure with thebestis siding.

The applicant is here in person.

Great.

Thank you.

Can we have the public comment?

Well, the presentation will be first, and then uh we can have the public comment afterwards.

But if you want to go ahead and introduce yourself to the commission and then walk the commissioners through your request.

No problem.

I'm Louis Noriega, uh, company Gemini Services General Contractor.

Thank you for letting me be here.

Uh I brought Trey, who's actually going to be doing the siding, so I thought in case you have any questions or details from him.

Uh I think there was a little bit of misunderstanding initially.

So this building has asbestos wrapped around it, but it also has existing wood siding.

So we're actually looking at the with the with regards to the asbestos.

Obviously, there's a lot of a lot of liability with that.

So we're looking at the broken pieces, removing those that are already broken.

There's about 13, correct?

13 pieces.

And putting a cement fiber back on without using asbestos so that it's not, you know, replacing the specials with asbestos, but in leaving the current asbestos intact while working on the rest of the siding.

I think what the misunderstanding in the in the request was that we were going to put uh new wood siding over the spectros.

We're not going to do that.

We're gonna actually put that over the existing wood siding that has lead on it, so that way not to scrape that, but we're gonna leave it, leave the asbestos intact uh without having to take off any more than what's already damaged as to preserve it and obviously not cause any hazardous material to be in the air.

So uh just clarification because I think it kind of got lost in translation there.

So um so that's pretty much all I have.

I think it's still a little lost in translation.

Oh well.

So you are uh uh Mr.

Vice Chair.

Um just to jump in really quickly.

If the applicant's request really is to uh replace damage asbestos tile with um so James Hardy has a tile that's a fiber cement tile that mimics asbestos tile, the installation of that uh would be considered repair in kind and it would be eligible for administrative approval.

Um so is that correct?

Yes, sir.

Okay.

Um so with that being said, I'll I'll let the commission continue on, but um, just to note that that's eligible for administrative approval.

Okay.

And then let's see.

Staff does not recommend approval of the request being staff recommends the plant.

Applicant repair existing wood siding.

So are you still planning to repair the existing wood siding on the second floor?

Yes, sir.

In place, yes, sir.

As is.

Yes, with wood.

Replace or rehab the well, we're gonna say over, correct?

Yeah, we're replacing the whole thing.

Yeah, it'll be new, it'll be new wood siding.

All right.

Um hear from the neighborhood next.

I I have a question.

Uh we have to move into the public speaker uh portion, but we'll have time for questions after them.

Uh yep.

Uh so um Bianca Maldonado is signed up to speak.

Uh she will have four minutes.

Tom uh Simmons has yielded time.

Good morning.

Bianca Maldonado, President of Monticella Park Neighborhood Association, our architectural review committee did review this and uh thank the applicant for the clarification because we were very concerned too if there were penetrations that were going to be made, so it completely changes our comments because our comments were um supporting staff's recommendation.

But it appears based on the clarification provided today that everything they want to do to the property can be administratively approved, and that there will not be any disturbance of penetrating through the existing asbestos siding, and that was our number one concern.

So um thank the applicant and wish you the best.

Yes, sir.

Ma'am, uh, what about the second floor uh siding that's there?

Did y'all have comment on that?

Just that it be in kind and supportive with staff's recommendations, so that they would put an in-kind material back as can be done through an administrative approval.

So I think as the applicant stated, um this has morphed.

So it can, I think not necessarily be a case in front of CTAP, to be honest.

Thank you for consideration of our comments.

Great, thank you.

And sir, if you'll come back.

You are in agreement with um replacing in kind on the second floor siding.

Yes, sir.

And then replacing all the asbestos or non-asbestos now.

Uh siding or whatever the shingles uh with similar.

Yes, as you mentioned, yes, sir.

All right.

Uh just for clarification, though, we are leaving the the ones that are intact for no reason to be touched.

It's mainly just the ones that are already currently broken.

Yeah, you can pick those up at McCoy's or something like that.

And they have some topics.

Could staff ask one additional question?

Uh so the 117 profile siding that's at the second level, um is your is your proposal to replace that wholesale, or are you only gonna replace what's rotten and damaged uh and maintain the existing siding that that it can be repaired?

Uh sorry.

We plan on replacing all of it so it's all brand new.

Um I mean uh technically that's inconsistent with the guidelines.

If if there's siding that is beyond repair, then certainly the in-count replacement of that would would be fine.

Um but if there's if the proposal was just to remove everything and go back with with something new, uh the guidelines would recommend that you maintain and repair what can be repaired and then spot repair, feather in where you need to.

Okay.

Uh and so that we could approve that administratively.

Okay.

So we'll work with you on that perfectly.

So would this uh necessarily do we need to approve with staff recommendations with the added caveat the uh what's there be repaired or does it?

No, uh that's not agendized or part of the request uh at this point.

What the applicant what the request item states is not what the applicant is proposing.

Uh so I think the applicant could just say I'm just gonna withdraw this request.

And then everything else is going to be able to be processed administratively by staff.

Oh great.

So I withdraw the request.

Okay, great.

All right.

Appreciate it.

Thank you.

Thanks.

Uh continue to work with staff though.

Thanks.

Next case.

Okay.

Agenda item number seven.

CTAP case number 2026-173, 382 Quentin Drive.

The applicant's requesting a certificate of appropriateness for approval to replace existing wood windows and previously replaced windows with the final product.

Staff does not recommend approval of wood window replacement based on its findings A through I.

Staff recommends that the applicant work with staff to repair and retain existing historic windows on site.

The applicant may work with staff to install windows conforming to guidelines for windows that have been previously that have previously been replaced to include installation to salvage wood windows.

The applicants here in person, there is one public speaker.

Danielle, if you'd like to come up and introduce yourself, and uh you'll have 12 minutes to present your case to the commission.

Hello.

Just turn on the mic.

Oh, there you go.

Hi, I'm Danielle Hinkst with Davidson Properties working on behalf of the homeowner case I score.

Go ahead.

So we're prepared to oblige uh staff recommendations uh to repair the existing windows 16 through 19.

Uh those have not been touched.

Um we do want to request guidance on windows 7, 19 through 14, 20, and 22 and 23.

Um, on what alternatives we have uh that we can present to the homeowner.

Uh the windows that have been replaced recently.

Um we are willing to have them covered with historic matching window screens, uh which would also include the previously replaced windows.

So making it look like historical as was presented by uh Mr.

Morales.

Um we would also at the same time make historic matching window shutter styles as well.

You can see they are very deteriorated.

So in short, you're asking to keep the existing wood windows that are still in place and do what with the ones that you've already changed out?

Covering them with screens?

The screens.

Oh.

Yeah, I don't know if that's gonna fly.

Um let's have neighborhood comment.

Was that all sorry?

Was that the conclusion of what you have to present?

Yes, basically uh the windows that were in place, they some of them can be salvaged.

We are willing to salvage the ones that can be, but uh it appeared there were a few in the backyard that are laying there?

Yes, yeah.

So we we retain those.

About how many?

Um I believe it was about ten.

And how many have been taken out?

Recently, ten.

But of those ten, only some of them are salvageable.

Okay.

Is that it?

Yes.

All right, thank you.

We'll take the neighborhood's comments.

Bianca Maldonado is here to speak.

She'll receive four minutes.

Tom Simmons has yielded Tom.

Thank you.

Good morning, Bianca Maldonado, President of the Monticella Park Neighborhood Association, our architectural review committee reviewed this application.

We support staff's recommendation and thank the applicant for investing in their historic structure.

We note that this is a violation case, and a C of A was not obtained for the work performed, nor was a permit received for the window replacement from DSD.

Wood windows on a Nathaniel Strauss NAFAC home are character defining elements within our historic district, and so are their wood screens.

We support staff's recommendation, but respectfully also request the inclusion that the wood screens be restored on the windows too.

In response to the applicant's presentation today, there are windows that are in the backyard, and they're saying they're beyond repair, but there's been no evidence that's been produced that says that they are beyond repair, other than they have been removed from the openings that it previously existed.

This is a corner house, so it is a high visibility corner.

Um not only do you see the front facade, but you also see what is considered the western elevation is highly visible, and I believe it's a rental property too.

Um it is very unique.

Um it speaks to Mr.

NAFAC.

If you did not know, he was very committed to building affordable housing, and in the way he did that is through the differentiation of materials where he would put a siding and he would put a masonry element.

But one of his unique characteristics are the number of windows that he put into a property, and I would know because I own an AFAC home that has 28 windows.

And if you look at the high number of windows that are on this property, it is a very unique feature of many of his homes.

He probably has upwards of 40 homes.

He himself lived at 505 Club Drive up until his early death.

And so I think in paying respectful homage to those character defining features, like the windows and the wood screens to preserve and protect those.

I'm asking for consistency from CTAB.

Just as you have uphold the same requirement, the same staff recommendation for several other violation cases in our historic district.

We ask that you support staff's recommendation and also include wood screens.

Thank you for consideration of our comments.

And really quick, ma'am.

Yes, sir.

Just to make sure on your recommendation or your uh request, it is to repair, keep, of course, the windows that are in place, repair the wood windows that are laying in the backyard, and then uh restore the wood screens that I think you had in that photo.

Um, there is a photo on the application that has the windows in the backyard and also the screens.

Um they're very detailed screens too because they're a divided light.

That's right.

And then over one windows.

Yeah.

NAFAC was one of the premier architects of your neighborhood.

Yes, he actually built a series of seven homes on Club Drive.

He built homes on the corner of North, several on North.

There's a few on camp, and there's some on Mary Louise, there's some in Monta Vista.

He did the Altsalong Courts, he did the Alameda Theater.

There are so many properties that he has done in his short life before he died suddenly of a heart attack, to be honest.

Okay, and I'm just seeing the picture of the screen.

Yeah, they have a uh thank staff for pulling up that ad that I had not seen that particular um ad that you know it's an old advertisement for the homes when they originally were built.

So it's a very unique property with the number of windows that do exist, and we really hope that the windows in the back can be repaired by someone who is knowledgeable to do the window restoration and reinstall them andor salvage other windows from other locations, uh, maybe work with staff to see if they I don't know if they have anything in their reclaimed warehouse or other individuals that that be an avenue that be pursued.

Great.

Thank you.

Thank you for your time.

All right.

Go ahead.

I have a question for the applicant.

Just a minute.

Go ahead.

So all of the windows are only uh I think about seven were replaced before us.

Um about seven were not being acknowledged here.

So the consistency throughout the house, it will it will always be lopsided.

Because if we're to go back with our tin windows and restore and take out what we have replaced, there will still still be the front-facing windows were already replaced over seven years ago and are not being acknowledged here in this case.

I I just want to bring that to attention because if we're talking about all the windows throughout, that's not we're not able to replace all of them and and salvage all of them.

And Brian, would you rec uh read the staff's recommendations again, please?

Sure.

And um just to echo the applicant, yes.

So there was a total of I believe seven windows, primarily on the front eastern portion of the structure, um, and then on the east side of the house that had been replaced, I believe, in 2020 or 2021.

Um so that is not a part of this request today.

It's just covering the windows that had been um effected as a part of a stopwork order, which includes the western portion of the front facade as well as the western uh wall plane as well.

So staff, um, just to repeat the recommendation.

Staff does not recommend approval of wood window replacement based on the findings.

Staff recommends that the applicant work with staff to repair and retain existing historic windows on site.

The applicant may work with staff to install windows conforming to guidelines for windows that have previously been replaced to include installation to salvage wood windows.

So as a part of that recommendation, um the I know that the applicant had hired a contractor and the uh contractor um, if I understand correctly, said that they pulled permits and they did not.

Um but thankfully they did keep um the uh removed windows on site.

Staff did do a window assessment site visit and found that uh about half or a little more than half of the removed windows are in repairable condition.

Um so potentially a window contractor or another contractor can um repair half of the wood windows and then use members from the windows that are not repairable and um also used a salvage wood window product to um reinstall.

Perfect.

Um thank you for clarifying.

Go ahead.

So I have um a couple of questions for the applicant.

Well, and actually one for the staff first.

So is this is this a violation case?

Am I correct about that?

It is uh this came to us as a citizen report, and so staff made a site visit and issued a stop work order.

Um I believe we're in findings C on May 12th.

Okay.

Um and then the uh contractor, I'm not sure what happened to him, but uh the current property management, Danielle, she reached out to staff and submitted a certificate of appropriateness application.

Okay, great.

And that's noted in letter C.

So thank you I wanted to make sure I was clear on that.

This is to the applicant.

Um when you purchased the home.

Um were you aware that it was in uh a historic district?

The owner was not.

Okay, so you are not the owner.

No.

I'm representing the owner of the property manager.

Perfect.

And so to your knowledge, as representation, has the owner worked with the historic district um either prior to the work being done or since the stop work order, either one.

Have they worked with the district?

Yes.

Additional questions.

On my right?

Online.

Questions, comments.

Go ahead.

I'd like to make a motion.

Uh I'd like to make a motion to support staff's recommendation and also to include um the uh screens.

Hold on.

Yeah.

That the wood screens also be restored.

Second.

Can I roll call, please?

Davis.

Aye.

Garcia?

Aye.

Brigard?

Aye.

Spiller.

Aye.

Fullerton.

I.

Speeds?

Aye.

Vasquez?

Aye.

And Sepulveda.

Motion carries.

Thank you, ma'am.

Please work with staff on next steps.

Next case.

CPTAB case I'm sorry, agenda item number eight, CTAB case number 2026-153, 2123 West Magnolia Avenue.

The applicant's requesting certificate of appropriateness for approval to one, paint the unpainted masonry exterior, and two, replace existing historic wood windows on site with a vinyl product.

Staff does not recommend approval of items one and two based on the findings.

Staff recommends that the applicant repair existing wood windows in kind and retain painted masonry on site.

Staff would like to note and uh call out specifically the historic design guidelines for window uh for architectural features, doors, windows, and screens, um, and know that the historic design guidelines as well as OHP staff supports the repair of historic wood windows uh versus replacement.

Um but if the applicant wants to go ahead and come up to the diet, so then introduce themselves, you'll have 12 minutes to uh walk the commission through your request.

I'm representing for 22 West McNolia.

I'm actually here those windows do not open.

Oh, I could leave it.

Sorry.

Last one, I guess.

Um those windows do not open, so it's kind of a hazard for him, like you know, exit point or anything like that for any of his family in case it catches on fire or anything like that.

So that's why he wants to replace them.

I did do what he did asked me to go get it bid it out for us to get like police, find out if we could get it replaced, uh, you know, get it not replaced, but get it, you know, adjusted, reframe.

It actually costs us $5,700 compared to the cost that he already paid $2,600 and something dollars on the windows.

So it's more expensive for him to get them reframed and do what they told us is even getting them reframed and you know, readjusting and stuff like that.

They do not they don't guarantee that's gonna still, you know, open within time.

He they said that it's gonna shift a little bit and they're gonna go back to you know, not opening and anything like that.

So we did to talk to two companies, by the way, on that, like you did recommend that.

He did see you he did walk it out there, he did see some rotting.

Um you did see the on the left side of facing the house, you did see those windows that were rotting, right?

Um I'll let you uh finish your own.

Sorry, he didn't see the rotten wood and he did tell us that yeah, he does recommend these two windows to get replaced.

So, you know, we're at the point right now that he purchased the windows, sorry, you know, he purchased the windows and they're sitting at a warehouse right now.

He's paying like uh I believe it was like $20 for them to sit a day because he already went over his time.

You know, and I you know, I'm here trying to represent it, I'm trying to help them out, you know, to get them, you know, replace.

They are the same, you know, they're not the same style, but they're vinyl windows.

They do he does have shutters in the front, so they will be covered, you know what I mean?

The old shutters, so they will be covered.

Okay, great.

Is there anything else do you'd like to add?

Yes, sir.

On uh what's it called on the masonry outside?

I did talk to San Antonio Masonry and I have a cell phone number, but we need to call them right on like that, just for y'all can know that the masonry he did to about an inch and a half.

We have videos too, it's about an inch and a half of a gap.

So even when we put the masonry, it's not gonna match the motors, not gonna match to the same existing motor that he did.

He did recommend me a company too.

I did call him, they said the same thing that it will not match.

It's like paint, you know what I mean?

You come back and paint.

Uh the masonary, like you know, of brick, you know, you have the grout around it and stuff like that.

I thought you were trying to paint on it.

Yeah, well, that's why we're trying to paint it, because the grout lines are gonna be like, you know, the mason area is gonna be like this big, so you're gonna see his cracks going up.

Oh to fill them in.

Instead of putting cocking or anything like that, I don't know if he has pictures of a that's okay.

Just keep stating your case.

But basically that's why we're trying to paint it and you know, cover those little areas for him and take care of that.

Great.

Um, so we have a public speaker.

Great.

If you'll have a seat, sir.

Thank you.

Uh Bianca Maldonado is here to speak.

She'll receive four minutes.

Tom Simmons has yielded time.

Thank you.

Sorry, this is our eighth case this week.

We had four at HDRC too.

Bianca Maldonado with Monticello Park Neighborhood Association offering comments uh based on the review of our architectural review committee for this property.

We appreciate property owners seeking to improve and invest in their historic homes.

We respectfully request the tab assists assist with preserving the historic Tutor Revival home at 2123 West Magnolia by denying the request to paint the masonry exterior and replace the historic wood windows with vinyl.

To paint the original masonry exterior would be a loss to the historic character of this home.

Also, the wood windows are not beyond repair and can be salvaged and restored.

We note that denial of both these requests is consistent with all prior actions taken by CTAB and HDRC for these same requests within our historic district.

We wish the applicant the best and hope they consider the historic tax credits available for substantial rehabilitation for properties within a historic district.

And offering some additional um feedback.

We've had cases where you requested the removal of paint for violations that occurred within our historic district.

And we've had some successful removals of people who proceeded without a certificate of appropriateness and painted the masonry and spent thousands of dollars having to remove it.

I think I would hope that staff could provide as much resources as possible to for a masonry individual to assist with matching the grout lines.

There have been some phenomenal executions in our neighborhood with people matching very custom colored grout lines on stone and on brick homes in our historic district.

So I just question the integrity of a comment that they're not able to match that grout color.

And so I know that it can be challenging with working on a historic home.

And if there's anything that we could assist with with providing, you know, ple people who did it successfully as examples to utilize, I think that can be hugely beneficial in a situation that you see before you today.

Thank you for consideration of our comments.

Thank you, ma'am.

And I'll quickly add to that that yes, we have had least about four or five different cases.

I'm speaking, sir.

Hang on.

Y'all do have their information for I could give them a call and see if they could help me out, you know, to help the gentleman out.

Well, luckily you haven't painted it, so you don't need to have it removed.

I appreciate it.

It was just, you know, it was just a question that I had, you know, something I want to see if he could get approved by it.

I did let them know there were some houses out there paint it, you know.

Like you know there was one or order plate.

Thank you, ma'am.

Um yes, we were uh aware.

We're aware.

We're in discussion now.

Excuse me?

I think we actually have public speaking.

Have all the public speakers concluded.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Uh sir.

I was as I was saying, um there was several cases within this historic district that um have unfortunately painted over the masonry.

And some of those homes even had uh brick masonry mixed in with uh stone masonry.

I think it's on the corner of West Kings Highway and Volum.

Um they had painted the whole thing gray.

And they were able to successfully remove it.

So I don't think you want to do that.

Um I got you.

And we will not painting over it will not remedy the crack problems I see over what the window on the left and then the I don't know what it's yeah.

That will be counted about 30 uh 37 cracks and uh majority of them, they're like half an inch, you know, to two inches.

Think of it as like a person.

These homes are the neighborhood alone is nearing a hundred years old, if not already.

Yes, sir.

All those a hundred-year-old people, they got plenty of cracks.

So think of this poor home.

And it's gonna have it, and those are as bizarre as this may sound, part of the character defining features.

And there are ways, like the lady said, to help uh I would take your uh whatever recommendations she has or a referrals or anything like that.

I'll take them.

They have an architectural review committee that can help you find resources.

Actually, there are a few within their neighborhood that can help you, but I'll hush and let my colleagues speak.

I have a question for the applicant.

Um you are not the owner, correct?

You're representing?

Yes, ma'am.

He's actually here, the owner.

Oh, okay, uh well, I guess I can ask him, but uh was the applicant uh the owner um uh aware that they were in a historic district.

Yes, they are okay.

And have they worked with uh the historic district within the community?

Uh they worked before with the historical Ms.

Maldon Maldonado.

Uh no, we haven't.

We haven't.

No, we haven't.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Any additional comments on my left?

Or questions?

No.

On my right.

Any online comments, questions.

If not, um I'd like to make a motion to approve with staff recommendations.

I second it.

Thank you.

Can have a roll call.

Davis.

Garcia?

Aye.

Brigard?

Aye.

Spiller?

Aye.

Floor Jan.

Polyg?

I.

Speeds?

Vasquez.

Aye.

And Sapulva.

Aye.

Motion carries.

Thank you.

Please work with the OHP staff on next steps, which can point you to many resources.

As long as the neighbor and also the neighborhood, uh, they've got plenty of resources and a lot that are actually within the neighborhood.

Um I'll get with him and I'll let them know that we did get denied, so I apologize.

We did get denied, so I apologize.

Thank you.

Thank you.

We are adjourned.