Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.

Let's have our Spanish translation services statement, please.

Then we have servicios de interpretación con auriculares.

Presentar a Cos auriculares para traducir in espanhol.

Thank you.

My name is Ken Huey.

I'm the Vice Chair of the City of San Antonio Zoning Commission as well as the District Six Zoning Commissioner.

In the absence of Chair John Bustamante, I will be chairing today's meeting.

I hereby call this regularly noticed meeting of the City of San Antonio Zoning Commission into session.

I would like to do roll call by allowing the commissioner, zoning commissioners to introduce themselves, starting with the commissioner on my far left.

Thank you, Chair.

My name is Rob Sipes, and I represent District 7.

Good afternoon.

I'm John Kelly.

I represent District 8.

Danny Kellum, District 1.

District 10, John Witsett.

Moses Duvel, District 9.

Mia Losaf, District 2.

George Inohosa, District 3.

ADP Rodis, District 4.

Moshgan Pana, Mayor's appointee.

Thank you.

Staff, is it quorum present?

Yes, the quorum is present.

Great, thank you.

At this time, if you are able, please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.

Under God, indivisible liberty and justice for all.

All right, thank you.

So prior to commencing our hearing, I would like our staff to review our meeting format for the benefit of those in the audience.

Staff, please proceed.

Before we begin, please turn your phones off on vibrate or turn them off.

The zoning commission is an 11-member body appointed by the city council to make recommendations on zoning cases.

Upon receiving a recommendation from the commission, you have six months from the date of the commission's recommendation to forward your case to City Council.

If you have any questions regarding this procedure, please contact your case manager.

Staff will begin each case with a short presentation of the request.

Part of the presentation includes a map map that shows the area to be considered for rezoning and property within 200 feet of the subject property.

Check marks indicate those property owners in favor of the request, and an X indicates those property owners in opposition.

Following this presentation and any questions by the commission, the applicant will present their request.

For those signed up to speak for or against the proposed rezoning, you will be called in order that you sign to speak.

Those in support in opposition will be allowed a maximum of three minutes per speaker, and you are not obligated to utilize the maximum time limitation.

You will be informed that the three minutes are up.

For those that would like to give up their time to speaker, that speaker will be uh allowed a maximum of two people giving their time for a total of nine minutes.

Those giving up their time must be present and signed in to speak and must be yield time when the speaker goes to the podium.

The applicant will then be given an opportunity for rebuttal to limit it to one speaker with a three-minute time limit along with an opportunity to address commission questions.

Thank you, Chair.

Thank you.

Staff, do we have any postponed or withdrawn items today?

Item number one is withdrawn.

Okay.

So ladies and gentlemen, if you're here for item number one, and that would be on 103 East Mulberry Avenue.

That item is withdrawn.

Uh this item will not be heard today.

Uh it may or may not be re-noticed.

Thank you for coming down to the hearing and please enjoy the rest of your day.

Let's move on to our combined items.

Uh staff, please read the list of the items currently on the combined hearing number one, the consent agenda.

Items number two, three, four, five, eight, nine, eleven, twelve, and fourteen are on the consent agenda.

Okay.

I see 14 has had adding conditions.

Correct.

I'll read them in.

Okay, great.

Uh commissioners, are there any items on the consent agenda you wish to pull to individual?

Um looking left.

Seeing none, looking right, seeing none.

Okay.

Uh staff, please read the items on the combined hearing number one.

Item number two is a request for a change in zoning from C3NA to C3, located at 234 San Pedro Avenue with all overlays to remain the same.

16 notices were mailed, zero in favor, zero opposed.

Tobin Hill Community Neighborhood Association is opposed.

Item number three is a request for a change in zoning from R4 to IDZ1 with uses permitted for a laundry and dry cleaning, self-story or self-service located at 454 Avondale Avenue, with all overlays to remain the same.

19 notices mailed, one in favor, zero opposed, and there was no response from the Highland Hills or the Hot Wells Mission Rage neighborhood associations.

Item number three, or I'm sorry, number four, a request for a change in zoning from R6 to RM4 with all overlays to remain the same.

Located at 333 Altitude Drive, 26 notices mailed, zero in favor, zero opposed.

Lackland Terrace Neighborhood Association gave no response.

Item number five is a request for a change in zoning from R6 to R6 C D with a conditional use for three dwelling units with all overlays to remain the same.

Located at 300 West Pyrene Avenue, 31 notices mailed, zero in favor, zero opposed, and there was no response from the Harlandale McCullum Neighborhood Association.

Item number eight is a request for a change in zoning from IDZ2 with uses permitted in C2 commercial district in MF3 multifamily district to TOD MX 6 with all overlays to remain the same.

Located at 421 Roosevelt Avenue, 52 notices mailed, one in favor, zero opposed.

Roosevelt Park Neighborhood Association is in support.

Item number nine is a request for a change in zoning from I1 to C2 with all overlays to remain the same, generally located at the intersection of Medina Base Road and Old Parasol Road.

13 notices were mailed, zero in favor, zero opposed, and no response from the Southwest Community Neighborhood Association.

Item number 11 is a request for a change in zoning from O2 to C2.

Located at 4204 Gardendale Street, 45 notices mailed, zero in favor, zero opposed, and no registered neighborhood association within 200 feet.

Item number 12 is a request for a change in zoning from MR to C3R with all overlays to remain the same, located at 8225 Dave Irwin Drive.

10 notices mailed, one in favor, zero opposed.

No response from the Brooks Area Neighborhood Association.

And then our last item, item 14 is a request for a change in zoning from C3NA to C2 C D S with a conditional use for alcohol bar and or tavern without cover charge, three or more days per week, and a specific use authorization for a club private with all overlays to remain the same.

Located at 715, 719, and 723 South Flora Street.

23 notices were mailed, zero in favor, zero opposed, no response from the King William Neighborhood Association or the San Antonio, Texas District 1 resident association.

As noted, uh the applicant is requesting to add the following condition that hours of operation are 7 30 a.m.

to 11 p.m.

seven days per week.

And that is it for the consent agenda, and we do not have public comment on those items.

Okay, great, thank you.

Uh the floor is now open for a motion.

Combined.

Chair, I'd like to make a motion for approval for items two, three, four, five, eight, nine, eleven, twelve, fourteen as amended.

Great.

Thank you.

Is there a second?

No second.

Okay, seconded by Commissioner Henosa.

Great.

Uh there any discussions uh looking left, no, looking right, no discussions.

Okay.

So motion by Commissioner Kellum and seconded by Commissioner Hinosa is for approval of items two, three, four, five, eight, nine, eleven, twelve, and fourteen with the added conditions.

Roll call vote, please.

Commissioner Kellum.

Yes.

Commissioner Inohosa?

Yes.

Commissioner Losa?

Yes.

Commissioner Pete Rodriguez.

Yes.

Commissioner Sipes.

Yes.

Commissioner Kelly?

Yes.

Commissioner Duval.

Aye.

Commissioner Woodsett?

Yes.

Commissioner Pana?

Yes.

Chair Huey.

Aye.

Motion carries.

Thank you.

Ladies and gentlemen, if you were here for any of these items that were just read, they're going to the city council with the zoning commission's recommendation for approval.

Thank you.

Good luck.

Let's move on to our continuous items.

Next item on our agenda are items to be continued to August the 4th, 2026.

Staff, do we make public comments?

Um so items six and seven are requesting a two-week continuance to the August 4th 2026 meeting, and there is no public comment.

Okay, great.

Let's see here.

Okay.

The floor is now open for motion.

Chair, I'd like to make a motion to continue these items until August 4th.

Item number six and item number seven.

Okay, great.

Thank you.

Is there a second?

A second.

Thank you, Commissioner Pana.

All right.

The motion was made by Commissioner Kellum and seconded by Commissioner Panna.

To continue items number six and seven to August the fourth, twenty twenty-six.

Discussions to my left.

Seeing none, discussion to my right.

Seeing none.

Okay.

Motion by Commissioner Kellum and seconded by Commissioner Pana.

To continue items number six and seven to August the fourth.

Roll call vote, please.

Commissioner Kellum?

Yes.

Commissioner Pana?

Yes.

Commissioner Losa?

Yes.

Commissioner Inoza?

Yes.

Commissioner Pete Rodriguez.

Yes.

Commissioner Saipes?

Yes.

Commissioner Kelly.

Yes.

Commissioner Duval?

Aye.

Commissioner Witza?

Yes.

Chair Huey.

Aye.

Motion carries.

Great.

Thank you.

All right.

Let's go to individual items.

Are you ready to present?

Good afternoon.

My name is Samantha Benavidas, zoning planner with development services.

Item number 10 is generally located in the 3100 block of South Giver Street, going from MF18, limited density multifamily district, and R6 residential single family district to C3 C D General Commercial District with a conditional use for construction trades contractors, screening required for outdoor storage from public right-of-ways and adjacent property with all overlays staying the same.

There are 42 notices mailed, zero in favor, zero opposed.

Highland Park Neighborhood Association has given no response.

The existing R6 and MF18 districts are appropriate zoning designations for the prop uh the subject property and surrounding area.

The proposed C3 C D district is not appropriate because although it conditions the property to allow a construction trades contractor's use, it would also introduce a commercial zoning district intended to accommodate higher intensity commercial uses that are not compatible with the established development pattern in the area.

Although industrial and commercial uses and zoning districts exist nearby, they are concentrated along South Giefer Street and represent uses and zoning dish.

I mean a greater intensity of development than that envisioned under the current neighborhood mixed use land use designation applicable in those areas.

Furthermore, the proposed development would extend beyond the established South Giver Street commercial corridor and into the interior of the block where the surrounding development pattern remains predominantly residential.

As a result, the request is not consistent with the existing land use pattern or the intent of maintaining commercial activity along the established corridor.

Staff recommends denial.

Planning commission's recommendation is pending the July 22nd, 2026 hearing, and the applicant is present to answer any questions.

Great, thank you.

Good afternoon, sir.

Please clearly state your name and address prior to making your presentation.

Maybe I can show you some uh slides of what we're trying to do so that Front Street there is uh Gievers, and then uh the street behind that is Cosgrove, the dry pond.

There's a dry pond before uh before that.

And we're trying to develop uh these warehouse spaces where you have a little office, um a roll door, so maybe like a plumber can park there, do uh invoicing from the office, and we're proposing 15 of these units uh there.

It's a 1.2 acre uh lot.

And uh we we do require C3 just because every other flex space in the city has this uh zoning.

So for us to do the investment.

We we need to match that zoning.

Uh something we can do is do uh NA, non-alcoholic.

Uh it's never intended, and I I'm sure the community there, neighbors will appreciate that.

Uh we can limit the um hours of operation as well.

We can be flexible with all that.

I did speak with all the neighbors around and didn't see anybody uh negative about the project.

They're all happy something was going to be done with the lot.

There's a lot of trash in the lot, there's overgrown mosquitoes, there's a lot of issues and uh homeless people with tents living there.

So a lot of the people were in favor that something was going to get done there.

Not sure if I can answer any questions in regards to the project.

I think I missed your address.

Your address, right?

My personal address.

It's uh 241037 wins, San Antonio.

Right, thank you.

Yes, sir.

Great.

Um hang tight.

We might have some questions for you, so please take a seat.

Uh staff, do we have any public comments?

No public comment on this item.

Okay.

Uh questions from our commissioners, and we'll start with Commissioner Henosa, because that's zero district.

Yes, sir.

Thank you, Chair interim or interim chair pro temp or temporary hire.

Temporary higher.

Thank you.

Mr.

Ramidus, I have a couple questions for you.

Uh question is going to be uh I I didn't see it on the little picture or on the slide plan here, but maybe I'm missing it.

But are you gonna have any kind of gate off because the entrance is gonna be off of Givers, correct?

Yes, sir.

Okay.

Entrances on Givers where the on the left of that picture there.

And then yeah, there is a gate on the back.

So there's an alley street on the north of the picture.

There's a 10 feet alley street, so there'll be uh a gate, uh solid gate through that area, and then also to the right.

And we're leaving uh 30 feet of a space of green space to the right because there's a neighbor on the back.

Okay, for your fencing.

But uh will there be a gate after hours to impede any kind of traffic coming in after hours or no?

We can navigate it.

Okay, I just had a question.

We we're not planning a gate because it's free entry and everything is locked.

And currently uh what are your hours of operation?

I know you don't know who's gonna be there, but uh uh a guesstimate of what you plan, or maybe you talk to other business owners that have the same property.

But no, normally it's eight to five, eight two six, but I would request 7 a.m.

to 10 p.m.

just to be flexible with the tenants.

And then you have 15.

Uh are all of them gonna be the same square footage?

They're they're all 1,300 square feet.

They all have uh an office, uh 1375, a small office, a bathroom, and yeah, it's just some flexible space.

Uh the area really lacks uh that type of space around downtown.

There's a lot of contractors uh that they steal their vans, their equipment, uh they work out of their garage, they really need a space to put their equipment inside and work on a in an office and have a more professional way of conducting their business.

What is the uh current rate or what what are you planning to get per unit?

Rent-wise?

A unit.

Okay.

So it's accessible for someone just uh working out of their garage.

It's not it's not a big rent.

So we're something in between a big uh warehouse space and somebody working out of their garage.

Gotcha.

Startups.

All right, thank you, Mr.

Ramirez.

Let me get uh a question for uh city stat work for Samantha, uh Ms.

Benavidas.

Uh can you what would be an alternate recommendation that the city would approve um I don't believe we would approve an alternate anything below C2 would not permit the conditional use, so we would not approve a C2 C Dr.

Okay.

Uh thank you.

Uh Mr.

Ramirez, uh, real quick again.

Uh would you be willing to do some like downward facing lighting and and uh Yes.

Okay.

We can be flexible.

Uh I did talk to the neighbors and assure to them that every lighting was down phase.

We don't need a lot of lighting there.

Uh we don't we're definitely in that area, it's prone to some homeless.

Not not it's not a huge mega spot for homeless, but there are some homeless on on Givers uh and some a little further probably west of of Steve's.

But um we would definitely want lighting.

I mean that that's uh that's a crucial point, but obviously not directly into their backyard, uh downward facing lighting.

Also, would you be willing to have uh like a like temporary pendant flag waiver restriction, like you know how they have those little flaggy things flying all around?

Are you okay with not having that?

Okay with not having it, yes.

Okay.

Okay, uh thank you, Chair.

I'll open up for other questions for other thank you.

Uh questions from other commissioners looking left.

Commissioner De Ball.

Uh so to staff, could we zoom in on the um the the map that's it's it's actually on the slide that's shown, but could could you zoom in on yeah, just a little bit so we can see.

Okay, so when I look at this map, I see that the proposed project is surrounded by residential.

Um, but that is not representative of the current development, like that's not all developed out yet, right?

Could we maybe go on to Google Maps and see uh so it it is developed out?

The only thing that's not currently developed is Cosgrove on the portion that goes the to the side of the property.

Um but houses on the opposite side of Cosgrove, I believe.

That's an older image.

Let's should have houses.

Let's go on to Google Maps uh Street View.

Just because what when I when I pulled up Street View, it it gave me a very different picture.

Yeah.

Just a moment.

Just a moment.

When I pulled up Google's street view, I got a very different picture than when I looked at the uh the zoning map.

So maybe if we could pull it up, we could talk about it.

Uh in the internal staff is pulling that up, maybe to the applicant.

Could uh you had mentioned something about uh competing properties having so other businesses doing the same thing?

It's a fairly new concept, like flex space office.

They all have C3.

So me having C2, uh it wouldn't be worth the investment.

Can you explain to me though what do you mean by that?

Are you saying that you wouldn't be able to get the square footage you want or no?

The trades maybe uh uh that that will rent or lease the properties.

I would be limited, so it's too much investment.

The uses would be limited.

So the uses, yes.

To someone else on staff other than the folks pulling up Google maps.

Could you guys confirm that, right?

That the the tenants, the use of the tenants matters when they need to get the the occupancy permit, right?

Or is that how it works?

Yes, um, they will need separate CFOs for each tenant space, and so it will rely on what the zoning is.

He is requesting a CD for the contractors, um construction contractors, which would permit a variety of those contractors, you know, plumbing, uh electrical, um painting, a lot of your uh handyman kind of folks that work on uh developments.

Got it.

Okay.

So you're right.

So that there's there's more uses that would be allowed under C3 than there would be under C2.

I mean, a lot of them are permitted in C2, but the biggest ones that we see in C3 are like your auto sales, your auto dealerships, bars, you know, nightclubs, but many of the C3 items are also um is there an NA requested on this?

I believe that he is amending to add the NA, which he is allowed to do.

Is that correct?

Right.

So it's not in, but we we can be flexible to do uh limited office hours, NA, uh the lighting, whatever uh we need to do to be okay with the community or neighbors.

Yeah, I can't speak for the other commissioners, but probably the NA is the one that makes you know the biggest issue.

Yes, I I don't think anybody would like to put a bar on a down street and it's all um office space.

Nobody will go to a bar in a street like that.

But NA, yes, we will request an A.

So uh um I see staff has pulled up a nice satellite image.

Um it uh it at least what it the surprise that I had when I pulled up the Google street view was more, but you can still see here, right?

That um the proposed project area, maybe you could put the cursor over where it would be.

Right.

But when I looked um uh it was only the top part of that, right?

Like Cosgrove, if you go south or uh well, that'd be east, Cosgrove like intersects that parcel, right?

Oh that's Cosgrove is to the west, right?

Right in the middle of the dry pond and the lot uh more to the right.

Yeah, the it's not oriented north.

It's not developed.

That is Cosgrove, and that street is not in the 510 or 15 year plan of the city to develop it will never be developed.

And then south of the non-existent Cosro street.

So this is the thing I'm struggling with a little bit.

Maybe could we orient north on the uh there you go, great, thank you.

So from what I could see comparing the you know, Google Street View and the satellite with the map, it looks like south of Cosgrove, there's like a dry pond.

There's a dry pond that has the other two R zoned, like there's a uh a line of R zone properties, then a platted alley, and then another line of R zoned properties.

Um to staff, like that's a lot of residential in that area, but is that ever gonna be developed with the dry pond there?

It it's not in a floodplain, so but so we don't know of any plans for now, but you never say never.

That it could be right.

So the only empty lot is a Latin question.

The subject lot uh right now it's MF 18 on the front, two parcels, and R6 on the back there.

Um again the south from that picture, all that area is a dry pond, and then the undeveloped Cosgrove Street that run from east to west, uh it's just undeveloped uh the whole way.

So there's no neighbors to the to anywhere just to the west to this side.

And then I guess the last question for for staff uh on uh givers, givers, gavers, gavers, keepers.

Uh it looks like the use is on the other side of the street, so west.

Um there's some residential zoning on the map, but it looks like there's like commercial and storage.

At least that's what the satellite indicates, right?

That's what staff, right?

Yeah, that'd be great.

So what property are you talking about?

Because there's like a restaurant north of Cosgrove on the other side, which is the the I-1 zoning.

Right.

And then you have the C2 zoning to the south here.

Got it.

And um that appears to be maybe like uh office building.

Okay.

All right.

Thank thank you for all that.

I was just trying to orient myself and because like based just on the map, it looks like it's mostly residential, but looking at the conditions, it looks like there's a lot of vacant, and then actually some uh commercial uses.

So great.

Thank you.

Commissioner Ball.

Uh, we're gonna go with the Commissioner Losef and then uh Commissioner What's that?

Thank you.

I had a question for the owner or owner.

Yeah.

Um so you had mentioned operating hours 7 to 10 p.m.

Yes.

Given what you've described the tenants, I'm curious what you anticipate the later hours, like after 6 p.m.

why why you want the 10 p.m.

close.

Just to be flexible, maybe uh a plumber forgets a tool and he's gonna run in the morning somewhere, and maybe he can get in after six and he might not like like that.

That's all.

But normally people will come in, uh, pull their equipment, come back, do some invoicing, and go home, right?

No nobody wants to work the entire day.

Yeah, that makes sense.

And then earlier when you were presenting the item, you had mentioned you spoke to a lot of the residents in the area.

I know we just talked about who's actually there and what's developed and what's not, but because the map doesn't indicate any support or opposition, like there's no responses at all.

I'm curious, um, I guess like what those interactions were and and why you weren't able to get folks like residents to register their support or opposition through the process.

Yeah, that's my mistake.

I'm not asking them to sign something.

I was not aware that the official way was for them to sign.

So I went with renderings and shared renderings copies with everybody around there.

So it took me three days to go one by one.

And I have the comments, I have a list with their name, the time I was with them, but I didn't have him sign it.

I can go back and and have him sign it.

But I'm not sure.

Not my formal request.

No, it's helpful.

Yeah, it's just helpful to clarify that.

Thank you.

Sure.

Um I guess this a question for staff.

What is a dry pond?

Like, what's the purpose of that?

I just don't know that term.

It looks like it's just a detention pond.

What's it used for?

For for uh retaining water kind of so when we have those significant rains like last week, it hold it's supposed to take all that storm water and um safely divert it away.

So it's something that like it the purpose, the use is contained within that plot, it's not gonna spill over to neighboring.

Yeah, or hopefully's hope.

Yeah, I think there's a fence around it as well.

Okay.

Okay, thank you.

No further questions.

Great, thank you, Commissioner.

Commissioner, what's it?

All right.

My question maybe for combination of both of staff and you uh sir, uh, is just that street that's not there.

Is he gonna be required to build that street?

I mean, it's shown on the city maps.

I would need to do some more digging on that one, but it is unlikely that he would have to build that out.

It's likely what we would call a paper street, which means it was at one point in time planned but never built out and accepted by the city, and we probably almost certainly would not require that today.

So in other words, he won't have to replat or will he have to replat here?

Yeah.

He most likely would have to replace because he can't, he has multiple property lines in there, and you cannot have a building go over those property lines.

Okay.

But I also review it.

Sorry, hang on, sorry.

Yeah, go ahead.

I would like to hear your.

Sorry to add, yeah.

We're not required to build that street from what I from the research we've done.

Because it the entrance is on Gievers for the project, and there is no need for that street for anybody.

Sorry.

Go ahead.

Thank you.

Thank you, Commissioner.

Anybody else on my left?

No.

Any questions on my right?

Commissioner Hinosa.

Mr.

Reduce, real quick.

I'm sorry, Remetus.

Just a couple of questions.

But I hear sometimes coming out of your mouth, sometimes is other people have a C3 or other the city's right here.

So I mean we will get clarification from that's what we ask for that.

Question is the hours you mentioned was uh 7 a.m., 10 p.m.

was that was that seven days a week or that's Monday through Friday?

I'm just trying to guesstimate on that.

I would like to request seven days a week just because electrician may have an issue and need to go grab some equipment and go in and out.

But normally they would just work Monday through Friday, normal uh office hours.

Okay.

Tenants will be you know, small business owners.

Yeah.

And then for uh just make a clarification that that uh uh that detention pond was made by the city just a couple years ago, or maybe no more than six years ago.

Uh and they even have a little walking trail as I ate in the restaurant across the street this morning.

I thought about walking.

My wife would have wanted me to go walking, but I didn't.

Um but anyway, that that's a new retention pond, and and I live not too too far from there, and it does work so far.

But anyway, uh I digress.

So, Chair, a question for you.

For my list of of uh of uh uh addendums to this for this, would that be at the next round?

Yes for the for the applicant.

Okay, okay.

Thank you.

That's enough.

Thank you.

All right.

Anybody else on right?

Okay.

The uh public hearing is now closed.

Uh this is a district three case.

I'll recognize uh Commissioner Hinosa for discussions and possible motion.

Okay, so this is what I would like to have.

Uh I mean this is really a kind of a tough case.

We use that a lot sometimes, but I think it really is because I I we don't have overwhelming support, but we don't have overwhelming not support, right?

So I I don't know if somebody wants to take notes, but I definitely want to we're gonna we're gonna put uh an NA, a non-alcoholic okay, uh condition on there.

Hours of operation, I would like Monday through Saturday, 7 a.m.

to 8 p.m.

And Sunday, I really don't care about the morning, I guess.

So it may be 7 a.m.

to 6 p.m.

Okay.

Uh also uh downward facing lighting in in in the in the area right there, especially toward the back.

I mean the entire property, but downward facing lottery, we definitely need to add that.

A restriction on temporary uh signs that go flippity floppity all over there.

And then um I I believe that that's what it would be.

But this is this is a really close and and and one thing just for for on the record for everybody who is here, the many, many people.

Um at least for me, you know.

This is zoning, just goes with the land, right?

In in 40 years, I may not be here, right?

I'm diabetic, I may not be here in 20 years.

But uh this goes with the land, so my biggest concern is C3 seems pretty pretty large for this area, and C3 somebody could come in later, you know, the the owner could sell the property, come in and do whatever is within C3, which is you know, a tavern, a bar, I think even an amusement park.

I might like that for my kids.

But um it's always not as personal and it's just for the neighbors because most of the time in our areas, the neighbors are gonna be there for quite some time.

Um and then lastly.

Um and then lastly I I think I'm gonna support this if if if everything is is is is met here.

Um solely because you could just go a little further down toward fair, and that's more of a larger thoroughfare, which has more more uh more uh usage as far.

I think there's some C3s down there as well.

But thank you.

So, Commissioner, just to help out our secretary, can you state your motion with those conditions?

Yes, so non uh an NA, non-alcoholic.

So motion to approve with the amended.

Yes, motion to approve with the amended.

Do I do that list that's those four?

Uh so motion to approve with the NA.

Hours of operation Monday through Saturday, 7 a.m.

to 8 p.m.

And Sunday, 7 a.m.

to 6 p.m.

Okay.

Uh no uh not no, but downward facing lighting.

Yep.

And no temporary bandits uh pinance, those little fliffy floppities.

Well, you got that.

Temporary signage.

Okay, great.

So is motion been made by Commissioner Hinosa?

Is there a second?

I second.

Okay.

Commissioner Pana, second.

Okay.

So motion is for approval by Commissioner Hinosa.

And seconded by Commissioner Panna with conditions of C DNA, powers of operation, downward facing light, and no temporary signage.

Discussions to my left.

Commissioner DeVall.

Yeah, just uh uh I appreciate staff helping with the the orientation and and and showing the satellite images, only because um when I first was looking at the case and looked at the map, my first thought looking at you know all that residential almost encompassing it, with the exception of the uh the I1 to the west.

My first thought was oh no, this is this is inappropriate.

It's gonna be like a commercial island surrounded by residential.

Uh but I think that's really the importance of being able to try to visualize and understand what's actually the conditions on the ground.

Because then when I went on Google Street View and drove the little uh you know Google car uh down Gevers, you know, I saw that actually with that I one and then C2 south of it, then you have a bunch of commercial uh further down.

Um that it was actually not an island, it was actually contiguous with a bunch of other commercial.

Um so that just for me shows the importance of being able to see actually what the conditions are.

Um I think it it most likely is the case that the city is not going to allow that detention facility, especially if it's working to be redeveloped, um, which makes in in my mind this a uh an appropriate use um for for this lot, um, especially to turn it from something vacant into something productive.

So I'll be supporting the motion.

Right, thank you.

Anybody else on my left?

Okay, see none.

Anybody on my right?

Great.

All right.

So thank you, Commissioners.

The motion by Commissioner Hinosa and seconded by Commissioner Panna is for approval with conditions for item number 10.

Roll call vote, please.

Commissioner Nosa?

Yes.

Commissioner Pana?

Yes.

Commissioner Kellum?

Yes.

Commissioner Losa?

Yes.

Commissioner Pete Rodriguez.

Yes.

Commissioner Sipes?

Yes.

Commissioner Kelly?

Yes.

Commissioner Duval.

Aye.

Commissioner Woods.

Yes.

Chair Huey?

Aye.

Motion carries as amended.

Thank you.

Good luck to you, sir.

All right.

Our next item is number 13.

Good afternoon.

My name is Samantha Benavidas, zoning planner with development services.

Item 13 is located at 245 and 257 West Josephine Street, going from IDZ3 high intensity infill development zone district with uses permitted for C2 commercial district, 900 dwelling units, bar tab, and bar and tavern to C2 CD commercial district with a conditional use for taxi service, parking and dispatch, no washing or mechanical services permitted, with all overlays staying the same.

There were 26 notices mailed, zero in favor, zero opposed.

Tobin Hill Community Neighborhood Association and San Antonio, Texas, District 1 Residence Association gave no response.

The existing IDZ3 district is an appropriate zoning designation for the subject property and surrounding area.

The proposed C2 CD district is not appropriate because it would permit the development of a parking lot and charging station for an autonomous taxi service.

A use that is inconsistent with the area's evolving development pattern.

Over the past seven years, the surrounding area has experienced increased res residential growth and community serving commercial development driven by the implementation of the Midtown Area Regional Center Plan, which promotes mixed use development.

While the intense intensity of the proposed use could be accommodated with C3 zoning under the current land use designation, it is not consistent with the established development pattern or the vision and recommendations outlined in the comprehensive plan.

Furthermore, approval of this request would eliminate the existing IDZ3 zoning designation, thereby reducing the site's potential to support future mixed use development consistent with the long-term planning goals for the area.

Staff recommends denial, and the applicant is present to answer any questions.

All right, Mr.

Christensen, come on up.

Please clearly state your name and the address.

Good afternoon, Commissioners.

Patrick Christensen, 315 East Commerce.

Good to see you today.

This one's a little frustrating, and I'll explain to you why.

You know, in talking with staff.

So what we're asking for here today is a Tesla robo taxi charging station.

So basically it will look, and I'll get to the site plan in a minute.

It'll basically look like any other parking lot, except each space will have a charger plug that you can plug a Tesla in to be charged.

In talking with staff, if I have a commercial parking lot and I want to add charging stations, it doesn't require anything special with zoning.

You can apply as many charging stations as you want.

But since this is a taxi station and will be used by Tesla only, so I won't be able to go charge an electric car there.

Staff have decided this requires special zoning for taxi, basically a taxi depot.

We're not so as you can see on my site plan that I'm going to show you here in a little bit.

We're not talking about Louis De Palma fighting with Latka.

We're talking about just a parking lot with some charging stations.

That's it.

And in staff's recommendation, they're saying they're recommending denial because this property, do we have the pointer?

Um this property, this property, and all this across the street and some other properties that are off the elevation.

They were approved for 900 apartments, mixed use development, you know the exciting stuff we all want to see, ground floor commercial, interior parking garages.

Well, as you can see, um so as you can see, um, you know, after they got all that approved at 23, the interest rate skyrocketed, construction costs went up, so they haven't been able to get that off the ground yet.

So Tesla has come in and they would like to just sign a lease, not saying we're not going to build the big apartment project and everything we have approved over here yet.

But they would Tesla would like, like I said, just to lease this piece for now.

This stays the same.

Um please.

The other kind of frustrating part on this is um hypothetically, if the the zoning that was approved includes C2 uses.

So I could basically come in with a parking lot to do a commercial parking lot, amend my site plan, which would be a reduction in size, which is allowed without having to come back to the zoning commission, and put chargers on every parking space, but I would just have to keep it open to the public.

It would not be private for Tesla.

I could do that today with the zoning I have.

So it's just asking for the fact that this be exclusive to Tesla.

That's why I'm here today.

So this is what we're asking for.

They're gonna have to go through permitting, they're gonna have to plat the property.

They would like to have you know two entrances right here in the middle.

That this right here will be a basically like a container office, because they're gonna have to be people on site to plug the cars in.

That's not automatic.

Um, but one of the important reasons why Tesla chose this site is because it has sufficient power.

They can't just put these things anywhere.

You've got to have the right power infrastructure for them to be able to plug into to charge up the cars.

And you know, primarily the cars will be charging at night because during the day, that's when people want to use the cars, things like that.

They'll be all around, and they want to be as close to the Pearl and downtown as they can be.

That's the other reason why they picked this site.

So when I first started talking to Tesla, you know, they have these robotaxis in Austin.

I have a daughter who just graduated from up there, and I asked her, Hey, do you have you used these?

Do you like them?

She said, Yes, me and mom and girlfriends love these because if you're out on a Friday or Saturday night, you don't have to worry about getting into a cab or an Uber with a creepy driver.

It's all automatic.

You just order the order the cab on your phone, you pay on your phone, they pick you it picks you up, you hop in, you get out, that's it.

So that's what we're asking for here today.

I mean, traffic impact, I think it's less than the five-story building we got approved for the site, at least this corner of it.

Um yes, there'll be cars coming and going.

Uh and I'll just mention we are next door to a school, but in talking with Tesla, these cars can be programmed.

They can program them never to cross in front of the school.

Now, it's Hawthorne Elementary.

Their primary pickup and drop-off for parents is in the back.

In the front, they do have a few school buses that come and go.

But like I said, we can program the cars to never go in front of the school on Josephine Street, and it's not like an order you're giving to a cab driver.

This is the programming of the car.

So we'll never violate that order.

And that's my request.

So I'm asking for the C2 CD for the taxi service.

If you have any questions, I'm happy to answer those.

Right, thank you.

Uh staff, do we have a public comment?

No public comment.

Okay.

Thank you.

So this is a uh district three case.

So we'll get the Commissioner Kelln to start with questioning?

Uh just one.

I'm sorry.

District one.

Thank you, Chair.

Uh just a few questions, Mr.

Christon.

Did you get out and speak with the neighbors?

I did try to block walk behind.

They were not there Sunday afternoon.

I'm going to keep trying before we go to council.

I'm thinking they might like the fact that we'll be going to basically a one-story versus five.

Um and you can ask for a more quiet use.

I mean, literally it's just electric cars coming and going and plugging in.

So I'm going to keep trying on that.

And how many how many spaces are available?

It will be 56 spaces.

Okay, chat.

That's all the questions I had.

Thank you.

All right, thank you.

Uh questions from our commissioners looking left.

Uh Commissioner Losef.

Yes, thank you.

Um a couple questions.

So staff mentioned this is non-compliant with the regional plan.

And we've heard a lot from this area, Tobin Hill, or not Tobin Hill, sorry, like Pearl area, Josephine Street about increased density.

Um in those conversations, we've heard a lot about reducing parking because it's trying to be a walkable neighborhood.

So I'm curious how you see a parking lot in like a very motor, like autofocus use complying with the mixed use plan or the regional plan for that area and the like stated intention to be more walkable for that area.

Well, we still need to get a cab to get to the airport or something like that.

Um maybe you don't own a car and you need to take get some way to get to a grocery store to Costco to get groceries.

You might take an Uber, you might take a robo taxi or a Waymo.

Um I mean, I get it.

I have clients from other states who are like, why do we even need parking spaces?

But the reality is you can't rent an apartment without a parking space to park your car.

I mean, it's just there are a few people that don't have a car, but it's very, very small, and you still need a car.

I I don't think it's necessarily contrary to the plan.

I mean, we were supposed to be encouraging green uses, green things like that, and these are electric cars and they're electric cabs.

So I mean I think they serve that purpose.

Okay.

Thanks.

All right.

Uh staff, did I miss uh public comments?

No, there's just none.

Okay, great.

Thank you.

Anybody else?

Oh, Commissioner Duvall?

Uh to staff uh if um put aside taxis if a uh landowner wanted to develop a private parking lot for their employees or for a private club or just just you know park their own vehicles.

Uh not long-term storage, but just to park.

Um what uh what on what kind of zones would that be allowed?

So parking lot, non-commercial parking lot is permitted by right in a C2, which could be permitted right now with the IDZ zoning because it does allow C2 uses.

Um but not in C1.

Correct.

Okay.

And then so what what makes a uh taxi and I'm sorry, the proposed zoning is what again, taxi C2 CD.

I'm sorry.

Yeah, C2 CD for the taxi service.

Right.

And what's what's the definition in the code for the taxi service?

Is it is it focused on the maintenance or on the long-term storage?

What's what's the point of that zoning?

Hold please.

While she's looking up the definition, I will clarify that it is no washing or mechanical services permitted attached to this.

That none would be allowed.

As far as mechanical services, correct.

Long-term storage, I guess she'll look up in the definition.

Yeah, I'm I'm curious, you know, like the trying to intuit the purpose for that original taxi zoning.

If uh maintenance and washing are allowed within that use typically when it's not otherwise excluded or something.

So we don't have a definition in our UDC on taxi, but again, the we have separate uses, a taxi service, no washing or mechanical services permitted versus taxi service with washing and mechanical services.

It would be a higher intense use, but they're shooting for the no washing and mechanical services.

Yeah, I'm I'm trying to I mean I haven't ridden in a taxi in such a long time that I'm trying to understand what that I mean.

Is that like a uh taxi stall?

Like a like a basically, yeah, the vehicles would go back to this location, park there, be charged, um, and then once somebody contacts them or puts in the app to pick them up.

I didn't mean Tesla, I meant when that section of the code was envisioned for taxi services.

That wasn't envisioned with robotaxis in mind.

That was old school taxis.

So generally, I think when the code was written, a taxi dispatch service would include an office where taxis could be dispatched.

So you have someone taking phone calls and dispatching taxis to various locations, some of them as is differentiated in the use matrix, have on-site mechanical oil changes, the things to keep the taxis running, to keep them cleaned.

The flavor of taxi dispatch that's being requested here doesn't include that sort of vehicle maintenance because EVs don't have oil changes and all that sort of stuff.

So I believe I heard the applicant say there will be a staff member on site to help plug in the vehicles to get them charged.

I think that's probably one of the main differentiations is the presence of staff to tend to the vehicles on the property instead of just a parking lot open to the public to park your car for a couple hours.

Right.

And I mean I suppose the other difference, right, with the old definition, the old way of doing it is all those taxi drivers had to be somewhere.

Um with the old way of doing it is if you had a place where the taxi drivers are waiting for dispatch, there's a bunch of people there.

Um public transit, um, when considering consistency with the district, this is a district that we're trying to encourage public transit, trying to encourage people not to be driving their cars.

Um does um right now, is there any do how do we compare uh taxis with people taking ride sharing with you know with via or something?

Are there are those considered by staff to be completely different things, or is there a uh a way in which uh driverless taxis can serve a function like public transit?

At the end of the day, a car on the road is a car on the road, whether it's driven by its owner or it's owned by Waymo with someone in the back seat.

So I don't think that the city's overarching perspective is that Waymo's are an alternative to public transportation.

So like uh a via van would should be treated the same way as a private vehicle.

It occupies as much space on the road, yeah.

Okay.

So you know, I mean we the city spends a lot on I mean, but not with buses, though.

Buses we'd say are different than cars, right?

I I would agree the bus can carry many more people than a passenger vehicle.

Okay, all right.

All right, thank you.

Also, to add to the general conversation, the City of San Antonio has an entire chapter that's separate from the UDC that deals with vehicles for hire.

So equine, you know, the horse carriages, limousine services, taxi cabs, all of that is in a completely different chapter outside of the UDC, and there's regulations depending on the situation that you're talking about.

Yeah, the the via vans are treated differently.

They're not treated as a private ride sharing, it's public ride sharing.

Right.

Okay, thank you.

Great, thank you.

Any commission on my left?

Uh Commissioner Types.

Thank you.

Uh just a couple questions for the applicant.

Um the first one is you mentioned the um it being basically quiet charging charging.

So there's no diesel generators or anything else like that?

No, there's not.

It's completely tied to city public service.

Okay, city infrastructure.

Okay, thank you.

And uh the second one.

When this was rezoned a couple years ago, do you remember what the original zoning was before it was rezoned to IDZ?

I believe it was I one or C3.

It was Texas Neon Sign Company, I think.

Yeah, it was I-1.

Okay.

All right.

Thank you.

That's all my questions.

Right, thank you.

Commissioners on my left?

On my right?

The other left?

Okay.

Commissioner Hang Olson?

Uh Patrick, if you want to, yeah.

Quick question.

Okay.

Were you did you guys communicate with SEISD?

Since it's right next door.

You know, we have not.

I mean, it's kind of in summer, they've been kind of in and out.

I was going to try over the holiday, but I didn't get a chance to.

Okay.

Next time, I mean, definitely, yeah, I think that would be a good thing.

Okay.

Uh thank you.

Um You said uh actually, you know what?

I still got a couple more questions.

You said the cars are programmed to they're not going to get on Josephine Street?

Is that what you said?

That could be programmed not to cross in front of the school.

In front of the school.

On Josephine Street, yes.

And if they're programmed, that means that they're gonna obey, right?

Correct.

Excluding the 1983 version of Terminator Skynet and all that.

Um The other thing would be um is there going to be like a fire suppression system or warning?

Because my first thing as an as an educator, right, is is you're running to a school, and I have seen where cars sometimes you know catch fire because of the battery and all that.

If that would happen, number one, it's right next to a school, but is there going to be some kind of alarm system?

Well, I mean the only staff on site.

That's right.

You said the I'm sorry, I forgot about that.

And is that staff member going to be there 24-7?

Because the cars can't plug in by themselves.

So somebody's had to plug them in.

Got you.

Um then the other question I had was if there is a school emergency, because we live unfortunately in a day of age, some things happen sometimes.

And I know SA SAISD police or SAPD will make the call and it'll probably close the street.

Is the entrance for this only on Josephine?

It's only on Josephine.

So if the city were to clear the SAPD were to close the streets, the cars would just have to sit there and wait.

Okay.

And that was my question.

What happens?

Is there like a uh the cars just I mean, I guess if someone's there, the cars just stop and just back up?

Correct.

Yeah.

Which could cause I mean, yeah, somebody could park in front of and block both entrances and they couldn't get out or come or anything.

So I would like, I mean, uh they're such a big company, right?

I mean, if they could have some sort of not panic button, I'm using that in a weird way, but maybe that site person, that staff member there, if they knew there was some situation going on at the school or anywhere nearby that they could like program something that says, hey, just stay away, right?

I mean quarantine.

Uh, I can speak to them about that.

Like I said, I mean, they're and it's they can be they're always connected to the the central computer system.

They can always make changes to any.

And then that's the only parts that I kind of saw, but hopefully I think they can be corrected.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Commissioner Panna.

Sorry, you're gonna have to wait.

Um I I'll put in my two cents really quick and ask you a question.

I've driven in a automated Tesla, and I think they're quite accurate.

So I just I miss this.

I'm not quite understanding.

This is so if I'm a Tesla owner, I can bring my car there?

No.

No, it's strictly for the robotaxis.

Okay.

Thank you.

Commissioner McGregus.

Mr.

Christmas Senator.

Uh they're calling themselves a taxi.

Are they going to follow Chapter 33?

That's what regulates the taxis with the City of San Antonio.

I think that's up to the city.

However, the city, I I know the city Waymo's are already here, so I would assume if the city says they have to comply with some regulation about the cars, they would have to comply.

I'm not familiar with Waymo.

What's Waymo?

It's a a currently existing driverless cab that's in town today.

Okay.

Uh uh there's two of them, right?

Two vehicles.

Two vehicles?

Yes, they have two different types of I know that Waymo has cars.

They can have a weird little Jaguar car, and then they have like a little van that's driving around, I guess for more people.

Okay.

I would have to ask to see if uh uh if they're regulated by Chapter 33 by ground transportation.

Great question.

I'm not sure.

Okay.

All right.

Uh no further questions.

Uh Patrick.

My turn.

So uh how many of these charging stations or taxi charging stations exist in the state of Texas currently?

Uh well, they I know that I can only speak for Tesla.

Um they do have stations in Austin.

That's where they are they're currently, but they are they are doing this same process in Houston and Dallas.

Um I believe when I talked to them this week, they told me they only have two or three in Austin.

So there's not a whole lot.

There's really just to charge the cars.

If they just want to park the cars somewhere, they'll they'll go somewhere else.

This is just for charging.

Okay.

And the anticipated number of uh vehicles uh in this operation is they don't know for sure how many they're gonna eventually have in San Antonio.

It depends on how many customers they have.

They I have submitted another application for a site in District 9 um off Highway 281, close to the airport, as a crow flies.

Um right now the only active locations they are looking for are somewhere near downtown in the Pearl, this spot and the one up in District 9 by the airport.

Okay, great, thank you.

Any other questions for Mr.

Christensen on my left?

Yep, on the right.

Great, thank you.

The public hearing is now closed.

Since this is a district one case, I recognize Commissioner Kellum for discussion and a possible motion.

Thank you, Chair.

Um my biggest concern, quite frankly, with with this was the traffic.

And so the idea that they can program that and and mitigate some of the traffic in front of the school, if not alleviate it altogether, I think is good.

Um I do think I think the point about the walkable city is a really great point.

However, I do think that this is more complementary to that as opposed to contradictory to that.

I do think that it's gonna be hard to be absolute in terms of the walkability of this city.

That's my own personal humble opinion.

Um I think that it's a bit of a technicality in the sense that if you own it, you could do it, but if you're you're uh leasing it, it um creates a whole different layer of obstacles.

And so with that I will make a motion for approval.

Oh second.

And who's second?

Okay, great.

Okay, great.

The motion is for approval by Commissioner uh Kellum and seconded by Commissioner Henosa.

Discussions to my left.

Commissioner?

Nope.

Commissioner Lose.

Yes.

Okay.

Um I appreciate the discussion and respect the motion and I'm gonna respectfully uh go against it.

I have lots of feelings around this, but I will boil down to the fact that this area has come before zoning commission so many times.

We've seen this neighborhood, we've approved so many things that we've actively given more density and we've given more flexibility to higher density, and in exchange for no parking, because we've said that this area is meant to be walkable and dense and all these things.

I think we've talked about the changing nature of this area.

We know St.

Mary's Strip, we know the Pearl, we know everything around this has gone through a lot, even stretching over to the east side into just Broadway East SA, B ESA.

Um to me, it feels like this is a bad, bad use for the space.

Um I know it's empty, it sounds like it, you know, they were supposed to have some apartments, which I would definitely support, and it sounds like they had some issues around um the cost, the rising costs, but I don't see a good reason to support this.

Um the area is walkable, it should be moving towards walkable.

I don't think we need these in our city.

This is just my personal stance of like I'm against the Tesla auto taxi things, whatever.

But I'm mo more than anything, it doesn't seem like it's um conducive to what we've talked about on this commission with other properties very nearby, like one or two blocks away within the last year or so.

So I'm gonna be opposing the motion respectfully.

Thank you.

Any other commissioners, uh Commissioner Sypes, all the way to the end.

All right.

Um, someone's already said this is a difficult case, right?

Not on this one, no.

Not on the other.

I think Patrick said it was complicated.

All right, yeah.

Um no, uh but I I agree because um I I am torn between uh uh Commissioner Kellum's and Commissioner Lose's uh comments.

Um I kind of have the benefit of uh my kids actually attended this school.

Um so uh uh correct all the all the traffic for uh drop-off and pick off pick up is off of Ashby, the which is in the back.

Um so there's limited traffic in the front.

Um so that kind of for me helps with the um the impact to the the additional cars that would be coming up and down um Josephine.

Um but I think uh what what sways me is the uh what Commissioner Kellum said about it being you know complementary um to the walkability of the neighborhood.

Uh you know, we've seen uh the and you can see in the in the one of the photos that they have that they're the apartment complex that went up on on Ashby originally that was um uh self-storage units.

And so those were demolished, uh new units there.

Um and then it it seemed like um every day when I was picking up the kids, you'd see something new pop up as as far as uh new development.

So I kind of do agree.

This is kind of like a a little bit of a setback.

I understand the uh financial issues with it.

Um I I I I do believe that it's will hopefully just be a temporary setback.

Um considering what we had before the rezoning, um, the options that were available for the site uh before they tore down the building, of course.

Um, it's not as good as what the dream uh when we rezoned it the last time, but it's better than what it could have been before the rezoning, if that makes any sense whatsoever.

So I'll be supporting the motion.

Thank you.

I believe Commissioner Doole.

So I I think as a city, we're going to need to have a deeper, more abstract, not about one individual project, but a deeper conversation about uh the role that these autonomous taxis are gonna play within the city.

Um I think the the UDC uh update is gonna be the the time and place to to do that and to come to terms with how we want to deal you know with uh these kind of projects in the future.

Um but just in response to some of the fellow commissioners' comments, uh uh at least my two sense is that these uh robo taxis are gonna be game changing in reducing the number of vehicle miles traveled on our roads.

Uh when I go down to the pearl, coincidentally, my wife, like this morning, asked me to take her on a date once uh grandma gets home to watch the kids to take her to the Pearl.

Uh right now I'm gonna drive my car from my house to the Pearl's parking garage, uh, where when these robo taxis are available.

Uh I'm gonna order a robo taxi as well as a bunch of other people are, and that's a lot less cars on the road.

That's one robo taxi instead of everyone taking their individual cars.

Um you know, one of the exciting things about robo taxis into the future, safety for kids because there's no drivers.

So uh the applicant's representative mentioned uh young ladies traveling, but also with kids.

Fantastic.

You don't have to trust your child your child with uh uh a random stranger.

Uh it's a lot safer to put them in with a robot.

There's not gonna be any any, you know, the the risks are a lot lower.

So you know in the future, I see it potentially that the school people, especially folks are sending their kids from further away, are gonna be using the robo taxis to send their kids to school in the morning, which would be a fascinating potential.

So we we don't as a city discourage transit oriented development.

Um I had you know tried to ask a question of staff about the via vans related to this that we try to encourage those uses.

We create transit corridors, we encourage density along these transit corridors.

This is gonna serve the same purpose.

Thank you, Commissioner.

All right, commissioners to my right.

Commissioner Rodriguez.

I will not be supporting the motion.

Um I don't think this is the right spot uh for this.

Um this is a very high traffic area for uh for the Pearl.

I think uh apartments would suit this property better than a parking lot for Tesla.

So thank you.

Great, thank you.

Commissioner Pana, did you um I'm not on the Tesla bandwagon, but I think it's a good idea.

I'm I'm not a fan of leaving land vacant.

Um so I will be supporting Great, thank you.

Commissioner Henosa.

Yeah, I uh obviously I'm gonna be supporting this motion, uh, but it was a very difficult case.

My biggest concern was the school right next door.

So I we definitely I mean I can't wait for a little John Connor to be at that school looking out the window and seeing those cars, you know, coming in and out.

I mean the future is now.

Uh but I definitely would like to have Tesla communicate with SEISD, especially the uh with with with Hawthorne, just to kind of just in case something happens, at least there's communication because I I see in my the issues arising, there's no communication, especially with those batteries or they're so exp well they're not explosive.

But I mean there's there could be an issue, right?

So communication with SCISDs just so they can be aware uh and maybe have some kind of kind of phone contact or something uh for that that staff member.

Okay, thank you.

Great, thank you.

Uh I have the last word on this.

So I will be supporting this.

I believe the uh city's UDC needs to be updated to reflect current uh technology, uh current um way that we deal with these uh robo taxis.

I know we have you know just the discussion about what is a taxi, what's a taxi stand, uh, what's a taxi station.

I mean, those are all they're all different now than what it used to be, right?

So I'm still thinking when I see or hear about taxi stand or taxi station, I'm thinking of the you know TV series taxi, right?

So again, this is not it.

So again, I will be in support of this.

All right, commissioners.

Uh the motion by Commissioner Kellum, and it was seconded by Commissioner Hinosa is for approval of high number number 13.

Roll call vote, please.

Commissioner Kellum?

Yes.

Commissioner Hosa?

Yes.

Commissioner Losa.

No.

Commissioner Pete Rodriguez?

No.

Commissioner Sypes.

Yes.

Commissioner Kelly?

Yes.

Commissioner Duval.

Aye.

Commissioner Winsamp.

Yes.

Commissioner Pana?

Yes.

Chair Huey.

Aye.

Motion carries.

All right.

Good luck to you.

Okay.

Uh staff, is there a director's report?

Um director's report, but we do need to review minutes.

Okay.

All right.

Minutes and that's my next item right here.

Seven consideration and approval of the minutes from our 7th July 2026 meeting.

Are there any changes, amendments, or comments to the minutes?

Okay.

Seeing none, is there a motion?

Motion to approve.

Motion by Commissioner Scipes.

Seconded by Commissioner Whitset, and we'll vote by acclamation.

All those in favor of approving the minutes from our 7th July 2026 meeting, please say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

All those opposed, same sign.

Any abstentions?

The minutes of the 7th July 2026 hearing are approved.

The time is now 21 p.m.

The meeting of the City of San Antonio Zoning Commission is adjourned.