Good morning.

The time is now 10 01 a.m.

on June 23rd, 2026, and the meeting of the planning and community development committees now called order.

Madam Clerk, can you please call the roll?

Councilmember Corr.

Councilmember Castillo.

Councilmember Galvan.

Councilmember Mesa Gonzalez.

Chair Mungia.

Sir, we have a quorum.

Excellent.

First item on the agenda is approval of the minutes.

Are there any corrections to the minutes?

And can I get a motion and a second to approve?

Motion and second.

Motion and a second.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

All opposed.

Motion carries.

Public comment, Madam Clerk.

Are there any citizens sign up to speak for public comment?

Excellent.

Before we get into the agenda, what we'll do is we'll have the staff present both one right after another and we'll entertain questions for both since they're pretty related.

And before we begin, I do want to give a shout out.

I have uh three interns joining us today.

If you all want to stand up in the back for our D4 interns, so I know we have a lot of interns over here at City Hall, and all the conference rooms are booked, and I'm glad they get to see their first PCDC meeting.

Uh, all of some good topics.

So with that, we'll begin on item number two.

Veronica's going to do the presentation.

Thank you.

There we go.

Good morning, I'm Veronica Garcia.

I'm the director for the neighborhood and housing services department.

Um, I'll acknowledge we also have a summer ambassador here in the audience.

Yay.

So lots of lots of future leaders in the room.

Uh well, it's a great topic to talk about our strategic housing implementation plan refresh.

For the past year, we've been engaging with the community in conversation about housing affordability through many channels.

Um, this summer we've had conversations about the Affordable Housing Bond as well as the SHIP Refresh and our federal funding grants.

We've had conversations this past winter with our special housing supply task force work, and we've had our ongoing public information campaign.

All of that is guiding two important efforts we are briefing you on today our strategic housing implementation plan refresh and our HUD Consolidated Plan.

Today I'm joined by our ship partners, including Opportunity Michael Reyes from Opportunity Home San Antonio and Pete Alanis with the San Antonio Housing Trust and uh Mark Carmona is also here with the housing services and strategy department, as well as our consultant David Schwartz.

Uh David has supported our work on the ship and the housing policy framework since 2017, working closely with our team and our stakeholders to develop these efforts.

This slide shows how our two planning efforts are working together as leaders on the planning community development committee.

You all are very familiar with the ship, but for community members who may not know, the ship is a plan to create and preserve over 28,000 homes through 2031.

The city, the county, opportunity home, and San Antonio Housing Trust are all partners in implementing this plan.

Council adopted the ship at the very end of 2022, which means we've just started the fifth year of implementation.

The SHIP helps guide our work across many funding sources, including the general fund, the affordable housing fund, and of course our federal head grants, and it's very important that we're ensuring that our planning efforts are fully aligned along the way.

From the beginning, the ship has been a living document.

Now at our halfway point implementation, the ship partners are using this moment to ensure our goals still align with community need and our existing resources.

This refresh effort is not a rewrite.

Instead, it's an opportunity to incorporate what we've learned from the special housing supply task force from community conversations, stakeholders, as well as homeless strategy strategy and services department's shelter and housing plan.

In 2020 and 2021, when we were drafting the ship and our current consolidated plan, we were facing significant supply chain disruptions due to the pandemic, as well as uncertain federal funding, and the housing bond was not yet established.

Four years later, we have experience navigating these issues and have learned a lot along the way.

As of March of 2026, so four and a half year point of the plan, we're at 41% of the way to our ship goal.

However, our goal is really several individual goals for renters and homeowners, including across production and preservation.

So while the overall goal is on track, we really get more of the story when we deep dive into some of the individual metrics.

This chart shows our progress across four categories.

And when we look at this, some trends become clear.

We're almost at 90% of our home preserv homeowner production goal and can likely can do more in this category.

And we have preserved over 2100 owner occupied homes through our home rehab programs, but we are only at 20% of the goal of nearly 11,000 homes.

A lot of that is due to increasing construction costs as well as limited capacity of our team, our contractors, and our nonprofit partners.

For the rental production and preservation categories, we will be incorporating the work learned from our special housing supply goals that this committee was briefed on in March.

We'll also continue to work with homeless services department to ensure this goal includes updates from the shelter and housing plan and goals.

Rental production is really close to benchmark and rental preservation is already at 73% of the goal.

Much of this progress is led by opportunity home in the preservation category.

So as we consider adjusting our goals, this is another area to consider for a potential increase.

This is a reminder of our special housing supply goals, and for each of these categories, we considered both the need in the community and what could be achieved in the next five years.

In total, the report estimates has a goal of 3,250 new rental homes across four categories who really need extra consideration to develop housing.

First, we looked at veterans with housing vouchers and set a goal of 250 units either produced or preserved.

So, really looking at how we work with our partners to increase the supply of veteran focused housing with supportive services on site.

Next, we look at people with disabilities, especially those with vision and hearing impairments, set a goal of 500 homes.

Much of this we are looking at achieving as we update our universal design guidelines and make requirements through our gap funding work.

For older adults, the ship already has a goal of 1,200 units for older adults, but when we look at this, we believe we can achieve at least double that with the time remaining.

A lot of that is using existing tools such as the tax credit program.

And the final category of LGBTQ plus youth.

So our goal is 100 homes, including some home sharing homes.

And we looked at how the capacity of our nonprofits want to make sure that the homes that we are creating for youth have plenty of support in place so that they can stay housed in the long term.

This is just a summary of some of the engagement we've been doing to support this work.

We still have a community few community meetings to go.

We want to thank members of this committee who have supported meetings in each of their districts.

So thank you.

What we are learning through this process now will really help guide our work over the next five years.

What we've heard so far is that there is an increasing demand for affordable rental units, so we really want to stay focused on creating more affordable rental homes.

We've also seen increased costs for home rehab.

A lot of that is due to the older homes that were helping.

They need a lot more work, including more reconstructions than maybe originally anticipated.

We also see continued need in preserving the existing affordable rental homes that we have in our community.

And we've seen that there's a need for more variety in the housing types that we're creating, whether that's a transitional housing to help people experiencing homelessness or congregate living homes, as well as looking at what other type of ownership opportunities can we look at beyond the traditional single-family homes.

For the next steps as we finalize our ship refresh work, we'll have a few more conversations this summer.

We'll be briefing both the housing commission and this committee on potential ship goal updates and getting your feedback on those.

We will be going to City Council for consideration of the HUD Consolidated Plan, which is our five-year planning effort, and our annual action plan.

And then in September, we expect to bring the final ship refresh for council consideration.

So next, I'll turn it over to Veronica Gonzalez to go over the information on our HUD consolidated planning efforts.

Good morning, Chair and Council Members.

I'm Veronica Gonzalez, Assistant Director with Neighborhood and Housing Services.

Joining me is Mark Carmona, Director with the Homeless Services and Strategy Department.

NHSD and Homeless Services and Strategy Department are jointly developing the fiscal year 2027 through 2031 consolidated plan and the fiscal year 2027 annual actual plan.

Sorry, let's get that.

Thank you.

We're here to present to you the consolidated plan.

It's still in development as well as our annual action plan informed through an ongoing community engagement process.

Together, both these draft plans will outline how the city plans to invest federal resources to address community priorities.

Each year, the City of San Antonio receives four federal entitlement grants from HUD.

These grants support affordable housing, strengthen neighborhoods, and help income restricted residents.

To stay eligible for these funds, the city must submit these two key documents: the five-year consolidated plan and the annual action plan and budget.

Our largest grant here is the Community Development Block Grant or CDPG.

It is our most flexible compared to the other smaller grants, supporting not just affordable housing, but also other supportive services that help families in need of a variety of different supports.

The home grant is focused solely on affordable housing and housing services.

The HOPWA specifically serves residents living with HIV or AIDS.

And finally, the emergency solutions grant helps people who are experiencing homelessness or are at risk of becoming homeless.

Hoppa and ESG are managed by the city's homeless strategy and homeless services and strategy department.

Here's how the two plans fit together and support each other.

The five-year consolidated plan is our long-term roadmap.

It sets our priorities, identifies community needs, and guides how we invest these funds over five years.

This plan approved by City Council in 2021 is now in its final year, and the community work for the next plan covering 2027 through 2031 is already underway.

The annual action plan and budget is the year-to-year piece.

It takes that long-term roadmap, the consolidated plan, and puts that strategy into action each year.

Fiscal year 2027 begins the new five-year plan and its activities are being shaped by the community priorities we're actively working on now.

We'll cover those in the next few slides.

A draft of both plans will be available on July 6th on the city's website, giving our community clear access and further opportunity to weigh in.

And that brings us to how the new five-year plan is being actively shaped by what we're hearing from the community.

To ensure we capture essential feedback, this includes the community needs survey with over 829 responses received, ongoing engagement through affordable housing conversations, and community events, active stakeholder discussions, and the public common period that's open now through August 5th.

It is also informed by the major plans and reports that guide our housing work in San Antonio, like the SHIP, the Special Housing Supply Task Force Report, the Housing and Shelter Framework, and current community needs and market conditions.

Building on that foundation, a few clear themes are emerging around preserving and building affordable housing, supporting people with disabilities, and people experiencing homelessness, investing in homeless services and youth programs, and improving infrastructure such as streets and sidewalks for safety and accessibility in our neighborhoods.

Together, these inputs have shaped the draft priority needs for 2027 through 2031 consolidated plan and remain focused here on affordable housing, which continues to be the top need.

Most of our federal dollars do go towards creating and preserving affordable housing for low-income families in San Antonio.

The second priority is supportive services for special populations and for people experiencing or at risk of homelessness.

Special populations may include youth, older adults, and people with disabilities.

And lastly, neighborhood revitalization.

This supports safer streets, sidewalks, and stronger community spaces.

This work builds on efforts in both housing and services.

Together, these draft priorities focus on stable housing and support for residents facing the highest barriers, and they will collectively guide the development of the fiscal year 27, 2027 action plan.

With those priorities in mind, let's take a look at the federal allocations that make these efforts possible through our fiscal year 2027 action plan and budget.

As you may know, HUD released our funding allocations for 2027.

This includes CDBG, Home, HOPA, and ESG in April.

The city doesn't apply for these specific amounts.

Congress authorizes them each year, and HUD distributes them to the city through a formula.

The center column you see here is for the anticipated program income that represents funding that comes back to the city from past loans, particularly from multifamily projects that are making payments back to the city.

Those dollars must then be programmed and invested in eligible activities that continue advancing our priorities.

When we include this program income, our total budget for 27 comes to 23.8 million.

Overall, the total allocation for this year slightly increased about 0.6% over last year.

So now we'll go through each of these three priorities.

The first priority focuses, as I mentioned, on the creation and preservation of affordable housing.

The total proposed investment across CDBG and home is 11.1 million dollars.

Starting with major home rehab, the proposed federal investment here for just the federal portion is $3.8 million.

These are the dollars that you're aware of, are used for major repair and reconstruction for low-income homeowners.

A portion of CDBG is also used to help staff these programs.

Based on this, the total proposed funding level for major rehab is sustained at $6.9 million, supported by not just federal dollars but also our general fund.

The next major area is affordable housing development with a proposed investment of $6.2 million.

These are the GAAP funds used to support the creation of new rental and for sale homes.

Operating support for local nonprofit housing partners is also funded to support nonprofit capacity to deliver affordable housing through the home grant.

We can only use up to 5% of the home grant to provide this to our community nonprofits.

Down payment assistance is funded as well with home dollars and can provide first-time homeowners with up to $30,000 for down payment and closing costs.

The key takeaway here is that the largest share of federal funding, as you see, $11.1 million in total is proposed to continue supporting affordable housing development and preservation.

The second priority is focused on supportive services with the total proposed investment of six million dollars across CDBG, ESG, and HOPWA.

In addition to creating and preserving housing, these federal funds also support several housing related and community services.

The ESG grant contributes 1.2 million in services that may help fund street outreach, emergency shelter, homelessness prevention, and rapid rehousing assistance.

The HSSD department the department works with delegate agencies to deliver these services in the community as well.

These activities often meet at one of the heart, meet people at one of the hardest points in their lives, providing both essential services and support.

The HOPWA grant totaling $3.5 million solely supports services for people with HIV or AIDS and is one of the few sources tailored specifically to their stable housing and service needs.

We also use federal funds to support our city's rental assistance program, including funding for two family support workers who focus on eviction prevention support to help keep families housed.

As we're aware, early intervention helps prevent homelessness and supports long-term housing stability in our community.

Federal funds also support fair housing services here.

This includes two full-time HUD certified housing counselors who help protect fair access, fair access to housing for all of our residents.

We're also proposing continued funding for the Parks and Recreation Summer Youth and Extended Hours program.

These programs operate in community centers across the city and give young people a safe place to go during the summer and in the evening with structured activities and programming.

Priority three focuses on neighborhood revitalization with a proposed investment of 3.4 million in CDBG funds.

Funding is also proposed for family support workers who connect residents facing code issues with resources and assistance.

This helps residents resolve concerns proactively and supports them in staying safe and compliant rather than relying on punitive measures.

And finally, this category includes support for free financial counseling and benefits navigation through the financial empowerment centers.

This program managed by DHS provides free financial counseling and benefits navigation for residents to help them build financial stability.

Together, these investments strengthen neighborhoods by enhancing safe accessible streets and sidewalks and support vulnerable families who need extra help.

Here's a timeline itself.

This includes our upcoming public hearings and additional stakeholder stakeholder meetings to ensure the community has access to a draft of both plans that we are actively developing now.

They will be available by July 6th on the city's website.

Staff briefed the housing commission last week, and we're here today at PCDC.

The final consolidated plan and annual action plan and budget will go to city council for consideration on August 8th.

And the city must submit both plans to HUD by August 16th.

This is a non-negotiable federal deadline.

That concludes my presentation.

Thank you.

Thank you to both Veronica's for those presentations.

And um just really quick on the first one.

I think SHIP is one of the one of the best policy things the city has done, and I think it's certainly what I would call crown jewel of the city.

And I think the continuous engagement on this is really really important.

And we don't see that with a lot of other departments and a lot of other big programs that we do.

So this one just never sat on the shelf.

It's continuously looked at, turning pages over and over.

I was able to attend the outreach event in district four at the Robinette Center, and I thought those that was a really productive conversation.

There were some, you know, different ideas, some good questions, a lot of participation.

The staff even had me participate with my own post-it notes going around roll tables.

So I thought that that was a really good way of engaging folks and telling them about all the different things we do and then getting their ideas that might be out of the box sometimes, but important.

And then with a consolidated plan, I think the, you know, 23 million dollars in this day and age with the federal government is is truly a blessing to continue to get that, even with a slight increase is really a big deal considering the cuts that we're seeing across the country and these are uh you know major investments that we're having to make here.

So before I go on, I'll ask my colleagues if they have any questions or comments about uh either presentation.

Councilman Gulb.

There you go.

Okay.

Sorry, I was flashing at you.

Um thank you so much, Chair.

And thank you, Ronnie, for the presentation.

Um, a couple quick uh, well, first of all, also thank you to the team HSD for the pre-briefings you had with me, as well as the community meeting we had at get a library two weeks ago, I was able to attend that as well with some of my team.

Uh, had a really great time and uh enjoyed seeing the different posts and notes and being able to see where people are coming from, it was really interesting to see uh to come to that event.

So thank you again for hosting that uh in our district.

Uh one of the things I wanted to ask, kind of a uh the large scale, um, I noticed with the presentation, of course, that we're doing really well on many of these goals.

Um, do we still have the AMI breakdown of some of these goals as well?

Um, where they fit in with production preservation for both uh homeowner rentals.

Yes, councilman.

We have um all of those production rental, all of them have specific AMI breakdowns anywhere from homes for 30% and below all the way up to 120% for home ownership.

So um the ship has those individual detailed goals, and our website we do track uh how we're doing for every single one of those AMI levels.

Okay, great.

Could you when you get a chance to send it over to me just so I can review?

Oh yes, absolutely.

Thank you.

I appreciate that.

Um, I was thinking about uh overall with um the housing landscape.

How do you see the housing landscape shifting always past several years with ship?

Of course, I know we're expanding a lot of our our units here, which is of course very needed, but do you see anything shifting as well uh that we should be aware of that we should be looking at as the housing gap continue to grow in certain elements, and if so, where I know of course we're looking at the deepest affordability still, but yes, uh well, we do see continued need for all types of housing.

Um we mentioned in the presentation the need for different um uh kinds, even some that we're maybe not tracking right now, which is the transitional housing that we know is really important, especially to meet the needs of um individuals experiencing homelessness.

So, part of the ship refresh, we want to add that we did that with the start of the ship where we added a separate metric for permanent supportive housing.

Um so we want to see how we can incorporate transitional congregant home type housing into these goals.

So that's one of our efforts.

Um, and as far as what we're seeing across the broader landscape, um, we do continue to see challenges with building all types of housing, but especially affordable housing, so when we are looking for rents that are lower, especially to meet the income needs in San Antonio, um, the costs to build an affordable home, in many cases the same cost to build a market rate home, and for receiving city incentives, we're asking development teams to go beyond that because we know the home uh the people living in the housing, um, they don't just need a cheap place to stay.

If when we focus on just that one element, we find people falling into homelessness over and over again.

So when we're putting city incentives to project, we're actually raising the bar for building affordable housing, we're asking for on-site services, we're asking for safety nets in some cases for rental uh people who fall behind on their rent.

And so some developers are able to do that.

We're asking for more community spaces, like a space for kids after school and for that to be staffed.

So, in many cases, that actually raises the cost of building affordable homes even more.

Um so we're uh cognizant of that and we are providing that and seeing that in the gap funding awards that we're at meeting to make to make that housing possible.

Um, so while we are cognizant of the number of units, we're really highly focused on what is the quality of the housing that the city is incenting to build.

And we don't see that trend changing much.

In fact, we'll probably have a stronger focus on what those supports are.

That's great.

I know you've highlighted a lot of that within the CDBG funding portion as well.

So I really appreciate uh that I know we talked a little bit about that too about public school collaborations there, educational support there.

But of course, to your point, right?

This does require more support to make it happen.

Yeah.

Uh understood there.

Uh I know you mentioned primarily focused on the construction financing, um, or just overall cost of construction.

Um, do you also see anything within land use that is helpful within that, or would it be is it impactful as well to the housing landscape right now in San Antonio?

Um, yes, we've seen some questions on existing zoning.

I think the recent house bill that passed that helped us change, you know, we don't necessarily have to change the zoning depending on if it is a commercial space.

We can kind of have that as of right now to build multifamily housing.

So that's been positive.

We've had some rental production that maybe would not have happened, perhaps would not have got the zoning supported to be changed, but we were still able to proceed with those projects, and some of those did have city incentives in them.

So that's been really positive and helpful.

Got it.

Okay, do you anticipate any changes to the land use or recommendations to it within the ship refresh at all?

No, we don't.

We're not looking at changing many of the strategies within the ship because we still need more time to finish implementing some of them, but we really want to focus on what are the goals as shown.

Some areas were way far and above the 40% mark, but that doesn't necessarily mean we're done, for example, in homeownership.

So adjusting those goals, acknowledging what more what is a readjusted goal for the next 10 years is important.

And then in some areas, it's unlikely we will meet the original goal that was set, such as home rehab, mostly because of the increasing cost of limited capacity.

So looking at how we can readjust those so they're realistic with the time and the resources that we have remaining, and what areas should we look at making um upward increases?

So we don't really want to adjust the 28,000 unit down, but look at where should resources continue to be focused.

Got it.

And when do you anticipate that conversation taking place?

Is it over?

That'll be um in when we come back to you in August for that briefing.

Got it.

Okay, thank you.

Uh last quick thing.

You know, I know we talked about this numerous times, and I'm always gonna keep advocating for it.

Uh, just because I think it's something that would be really helpful when we look at the cost of construction particular, right?

Finding ways to uh review a uh revolving housing uh revolving housing production fund, uh some of the housing uh trust fund as well, expanding as much as we can, um, similar to the ways that Atlanta has, Montgomery, Maryland, uh, Chicago as well with a residential investment fund uh to continue to addressing some of those gaps within uh affordable housing finance and interesting seeing the evaluation between our bond and things like that and how they're structured, of course, in different states.

But I think it would be helpful, particularly that we're seeing a lot of that work being done by similar authorities or by similar entities with housing trust across the country, primarily focusing in on uh those deepest affordable affordability levels.

Um it's interesting in seeing what that would look like here in our city, um, and what you would think about that in the future uh without ship goals.

But thank you very much.

Or ship strategies.

Thank you very much.

Thank you, Councilman.

Thank you.

And I think Pete will always accept money that's given to him.

So you have a supporter right there.

Uh council members, any other questions?

Councilman Mr.

Gonzalo?

Hi, thank you.

Thank you for the presentation.

Um, and I appreciate the work that's going on to get us to the final recommendation.

Uh, a couple of questions on slide nine.

Um, and I think we I think councilman uh Galvan mentioned this, but just um the increased cost for home rehab.

Yeah, is that strictly like uh materials and labor increase costs or is some of that um does any of that have to do with our code requirements?

Um in some cases it is code now for uh for rebuilding a whole house and the um updated version of the deconstruction ordinance went into place.

So there's more homes that will fall under that deconstruction ordinance and having to rebuild them.

So that is a new code issue.

Uh the code that was updated, I guess now four years ago also had some increased requirements on maybe HVAC, and we've seen some increased cost there.

Um, in many cases, it's not really solely tied to code.

We are seeing um we have changed our process from a lottery to help homeowners to really focusing on what are the needs, which ones are the most in disrepair.

Um, and because we are selecting lower income homeowners, um, homeowners that are more vulnerable, we are seeing homes that are need more scope where we could have maybe just done minors in the past or you know, um 80,000 rehab, our rehabs are constantly going up against our max budgets because really the need and the scale of work that's needed.

And in many cases, we are also start with one scope, get into the older home, and then there's unforeseen costs of termite damage, uh floor subflooring that's rotted that needs to be replaced.

So we've seen costs increase again, just based on the condition of the homes that we are providing assistance to.

So, what we've done to try and manage that is really try and focus on ensuring we're doing the most needed repairs, safety, bringing homes up to code, accessibility where we're possible, weatherization, because that helps with the long-term cost of homeownership, and then really looking to turn to our nonprofit partners who are many times in some cases using donated materials or volunteers and able to also help homeowners kind of beyond what maybe we can do just in-house.

Okay, thank you.

And the alternative living, those three, you know, um, do we have set targets for each of those housing housing types?

Housing types, excuse me.

Um, do we plan right here the need for more housing types.

Oh, do we have a set target for each of those?

We do not, but we were looking at the ship as part of the ship refresh to see which ones um how they fit into the those individual goals.

Do you think there would be a need for setting individual targets for those or we can look at that?

But we didn't necessarily discuss having sub-goals, if you will, for like the home ownership category, they're really just kind of all homeownership and see what's possible.

Sarah has something to add.

Yeah, yeah.

Sorry, I just wanted to give credit to Mark Carmona and Patrick Sex team.

We'll be working closely with them on the transitional um housing because through the shelter and housing plan, they've identified gaps that they've ripped you on as well.

Okay, thank you.

Um, those are all my questions.

I think clearly we've heard from residents when we do these budget surveys, right?

Uh homelessness is a priority, housing is a priority for folks in our community.

So I appreciate the work that we're doing to get there and really unique in that way.

San Antonio is probably one of the only cities doing this type of work, and so we should applaud ourselves when we can and then uh make adjustments as well, right?

We can do that at the same time.

Um, I think I think in the special housing supply task force, they talked about leveraging resources obviously with the tight budget on our private um sector or nonprofits and our MCOs, and so I just want to reiterate this point of making sure that we're bringing those folks in sooner than later so that uh the buy-in is there, you know, and not at the end when we're trying to compel folks to uh help us, but really just uh being part of that process and part of those conversations, and that way we can help advocate as well.

So thank you again for all your work.

Those are my questions.

Thank you, Councilwoman Castillo.

Thank you, Chair.

Thank you, Veronica, for the presentation as well as also the strategic housing implementation plan partners for uh your work and coordination, over 20,000, 28,000 uh units preserved and or constructed is uh uh something that we should really applaud ourselves as a city department and as a city, uh, ensuring that we're not only one responding to the needs of the market, but also what our constituents are calling for after budget survey after budget survey and the community engagement that NHSD has done, I believe has really shifted the public conversation around housing affordability, homelessness, and the need to invest in accessible housing.

So just wanted to thank you all and Sibonae in particular for facilitating the district five um community platica and affordable housing because again, the conversations really are shifting in our neighborhood associations, and I think it's because of uh the effort of NHSD.

Uh, I'm reminded of a recent graduation at Haven for Hope that I attended, and it was just um very moving and speaking to some of the graduates.

They're sharing what their next steps were navigating the housing landscape.

And I met this one gentleman from uh Philadelphia who's just fallen in love with the city of San Antonio, wants to stay, and he wants to stay near Haven for Hope, right?

Um but he was sharing that with his Section 8 voucher.

Um it looks like he's going to have to move to Converse.

Um, and he says, you know, I would just love to stay nearby.

I've learned this community, and I want to stay where I know uh how to get from point A to point B.

I also met this young woman from the valley uh that expressed similar sentiments that she would be likely moving to the outskirts of the city with her Section 8 voucher, but same same story, right?

That she uh has fallen in love with the historic West Side and would love to stay nearby.

Uh, met a uh an expecting single mother from the city of San Antonio.

Um she's currently in the process of of applying for her Section 8 voucher, and she shared she wants to live uh around Haven for Hope, right?

And she's like hopefully there's a unit available here on site where I could potentially transition to all that to say, right, the trend of us needing to support Section 8 voucher holders.

Uh and I understand during the budget conversation there will be a recommendation for uh the pilot to incentivize uh uh landlords to accept Section 8 vouchers.

So I'm hopeful that we'll have the support of my colleagues because again, this is a trend that I'm hearing from folks that are going through the programming at Haven and want to stay in community and are having a hard time finding something uh within not only the inner west side but within the city of San Antonio, so uh hopeful that that will receive support to ensure that we can keep people housed and in the city of San Antonio.

Regarding the the refresh, um these are uh really great uh recommendations, and as I've shared in a couple of um whether it's with the San Antonio Housing Trust or here at PCDC, ensuring that we're keeping in mind justice involved individuals and many of the barriers they experience.

Because of federal regulation, many of them can't access units over at Opportunity Home and/or face discrimination when it comes to background checks.

So I'm grateful that Mark Carmona has met with the Bear County Re-entry Center to see where there's opportunity for coordination collaboration, and of course, like data sharing to see what is the need.

Mark, if you don't mind, can you share a bit about what you're hearing from the Bear County Re-entry Center?

Thank you, Councilwoman.

I think in conversations with the county beyond, so that conversation, thank you again to the re-entry center, led to a larger meeting with the deputy county manager.

And I think as we think about at least the sheltered housing framework moving forward, uh the county sees their lane really as jail, both entry and exit, as well as behavioral health, which is both needs kind of in the overall system.

I think with the re-entry center in particular, what we want to work on is what happens when people exit jail.

Sometimes that could be two or three o'clock in the morning, and sometimes that could just be walking out of jail into downtown or staying in the west side, depending on where they are.

And so, how are we meeting those folks when that what is that?

How does that process uh intersect with what we're trying to work on?

And so uh they've also connected me with um some folks within the county department around data sharing, and then the county also had an interest in the case management function part of it.

How can it be more seamless?

Say when somebody exits jail or any other kind of exit point.

Uh, can it be seamless in terms of the people that they're working with as they move forward?

That sometimes could be three or four different entities, and as opposed to people having to tell their story six or seven times, can that information be shared across the system?

I think it's similar to the issues that we're having with the ad hoc committee on the jail diversion center.

So I think it seems like people are elevating their thinking in some of these structural pieces, which I think are essential.

It's those path forwards and how we create them in meaningful ways that connects with other systems.

I see that, right?

I quite have it, I think.

We often have state grants to help with re-entry, uh, to support halfway houses to help with uh security deposits and or planning for folks leaving the state system, and I think it's great to understand is the county applying for these as the city of San Antonio who's going after these state dollars to help us meet the need uh in our community.

So I appreciate you sharing that insight, Mark.

Um, in addition to that, uh again, I know Jane from the San Antonio Housing Trust for the last couple of years has been highlighting the need for council to adopt um universal design requirements similar to the housing trust.

Um I I'm hopeful that that's something we can do prior to the larger UDC conversation because uh as we're investing and uh discussing a housing bond, uh, ensuring that we have the policy in place.

So when we disperse those dollars, uh the UDC standards are adopted within those new projects.

So, Chair, I appreciate if it's an item that we can consider talking about uh an ordinance for us to adopt those standards.

Um, but again, there's um just a lot of great stuff within this presentation.

Uh, looking forward to the some of the funding that's going to be allocated, particularly the community development block grants.

Uh, there's lots of value uh in terms of the neighborhood revitalization case management uh for those experiencing code issues.

So just grateful for that coordination uh and that continued mission of ensuring that residents have access to those resources uh to come into compliance.

Uh, in terms of the uh financial literacy training offline, I'd like to be reminded of what that curriculum looks like for participants of financial literacy training and of course uh the improvements to the neighborhood streets and sidewalks.

Nasty, I am looking at the total progress.

This is home ownership.

So uh in terms of the affordable housing dashboard for the breakdown of zero to 30% AMI, for example.

Um, I believe I'm looking at the correct one uh for total progress.

This is single-family homes.

So I'll use this as an example.

Um, so for AMI on the ship dashboard, it has 0 to 30 percent AMI.

We're at 14% progress, and the goal is 785.

My question is: for example, with this framework, if we take into account some of the changes that our how ship partners are adopting within their designated board, how are we factoring in those adopted changes and how it may impact uh the pipeline and the ship goal?

So each quarter when we update our you know, our progress, we do check with all of our ship partners and ask what they are doing.

That's really important as we collaborate with the housing trust and opportunity home, and we're capturing the investments they're making and where they reflect in all of our collective ship goals when our partners make adjustments.

Um, we are including them in the ship refresh so we can understand where they're gonna focus.

Um, that's one of the reasons we highlighted the rental preservation category since it is already at almost 80% done, you know, not even five years in.

We know Opportunity Home has a continued focus on continuing to improve and enhance their existing rental portfolio.

So we want to acknowledge that they're gonna continue to make more work and we want our ship goals to reflect that.

So, like for example, uh I believe now I'm on the correct one for the rental homes breakdown and zero to 30% AMI, we're at 31% of our goal, which is great.

Um, but I'm thinking in terms of opportunities, home uh goals and adoption of RAD conversions.

So, this already factors in those proposed RAD conversions.

Um not yet, but the full refresh will, and we'll be bringing those uh recommended adjustments and of course, want your feedback in August, and we can meet with you before we do a full presentation.

Okay, I appreciate that.

All right, thank you, Ronica.

Yes, thank you.

Um, let me make sure I'm not forgetting anything.

Oh, um again, right?

We're navigating budget conversations, and there are some proposed reductions for uh home rehab, for example.

And I understand with the current year marked amount, we'd still be able to meet uh the goal, but I believe we should continue to uh maintain that increased funding because the goal is we continue to tackle more uh home and minor rehabs.

Um, so I I would be supportive of uh or opposed rather to the reduction to minor rehab, and then there's also a proposed uh conversation about uh reductions to the fee waiver programs and inner city incentives.

Uh so Ronika, can you share a little bit about um if we see those reductions?

Where would we see um potentially a lag uh with our ship goals?

Sure.

Um, a lot of the fee waivers are used by new uh rental.

We see a lot of the new rental developers really rely on those saws and the city fee waivers.

So there's no proposed reduction to SAS fevers because that is already earmarked in the SAS budget, but they do utilize our city fee waivers, and um in the past, we usually have some funding left over that carries forward and helps cover any increased demand, but as we've really been able to award more funding for um higher levels of funding for gap funding and seeing projects that you know maybe delayed construction because they didn't have enough funding, but now that we've made our housing bond awards and our federal grant awards, um they are able to pull off construction, which is what we want, seeing these projects happen, and we're eating into that carry-forward balance and looking at how much is really available, and really as of this summer, we're putting our development teams just notifying them that while you may have an existing fee waiver, it's only available as long as funding is available.

That's how we award the fee waiver, and if our money runs out, even mid-year, you know, that fee waiver um would no longer be honored if funds are no longer available.

So uh those fee waivers, we are seeing a return in terms of uh reaching our ship goals and a reduction would potentially mean a delay andor lag or not meeting uh our ship goals with the same uh rigor that we have with past budgets.

I think it's it certainly would have an impact, and if we aren't able to offer the same amount in fee waivers, sometimes developers will come back and ask for a higher gap funding award.

Alright, thank you for that, Ronica.

I appreciate it.

Thank you.

Thank you, Chair.

Thank you, Councilman McCourt.

Thank you, Chair.

Thank you, Veronica, for this presentation.

I want to give a shout out to Sarah on your team.

I think she's fabulous and has a really, really good understanding of this work, and she told me yesterday that she'd been on the team since before SHIP was adopted.

So been able to see all of the progress, and I think that's pretty special to see a project that you've led change so many lives in our community.

So I'm always just really impressed with how well she's able to answer my questions because sometimes I have very detailed questions.

Not me, right?

Um, well, I want to start off by uh talking about slide six here a little bit.

And the conversation that I was having with Sarah yesterday was really, you know, it's so interesting to see.

We we had this like really big goal that we set five years ago, and we're kind of using census data from then and targeting things that we felt like would really help our community, and we've learned a lot since then.

We've had five years of deep investment in this, and it's interesting to say see the way this is played out in terms of what's like soaring and what's really not where we want it to be, right?

And so the thing that I think about is in on this slide, I thought a lot about homeownership preservation, and because councilman brought up the minor home rehab, I don't know that there's a lot of other folks doing home ownership preservation aside from our funding.

We have the housing trust that does a lot of production, some preservation, same thing with opportunity home, but in terms of homeownership preservation, that's really something that we have been the lead on with major minor home rehab.

And so the the idea that I presented for Sarah yesterday was what if we should in as we look at our five year ship progress.

What if we thought about I understand it would take X amount more dollars to do preservation because of the cost of construction, how much major home rehab costs?

She explained to me that it's some when someone comes in asking for a roof repair, when they do the analysis, they realize oh, they actually need a foundation too, they need new windows, they need a lot of other structural work, and so it and the one project ends up costing instead of 50,000, 200,000.

And that changes the level of work that needs to be done.

But my request was, and they've engaged a consultant as they're going through this progress, is to bring us back options.

So we have, say, for example, and and you know, counts the chair mentioned that it's exciting that we're still getting the same amount from federal grant, which could change at any time.

But say, for example, we get that same amount, 20 something million over five years, we have a hundred million there, and we're able to get buy-in for another 150 million dollars of the housing bond, which I think based on um at least the council from what I've heard support, we could get and maybe more, but even if we just play it at the same level as last time, if we have 250 million dollars to invest in housing, where would we want to see like what are different options that we could do to see these numbers change?

So we what could we, what number could we uh present on the permanent supportive housing?

What number could we spend on home ownership preservation?

What how much do we still want to do rental preservation?

I had also mentioned I visited Westminster Square Management.

We were doing Wheels on Wheels Senior Food Distribution.

Man, they just have such a good time there, like hanging out in the main area.

But some of them were excited about the preservation, but also a little bit worried about it.

But I see so many places like that in my district, and I'm sure in y'all's too, that could really use the benefit there.

So, all that to be said, I'd like to be able to weigh in on like, okay, if we do give an extra 10 million dollars for preservation, maybe we'd able to hit we we might be able to hit another thousand in homeownership preservation versus if we did 10 million to homeownership preservation, versus if we did 10 million to rental preservation, we'd be able to get X more, if that makes sense, like the trade-offs.

So, one, I think it'd be great to see the trade-offs and also present that to the community at large, right?

Because as some of my colleagues have already said, this is the number one or two issue.

And Sarah mentioned she was gonna reach out to the youth group that presented to us at the education opportunities committee so she could engage them on this work too.

And I think it's important that if everybody in our community is seeing it, then we want to really ask them do you want us to spend more money on preservation, even though we might get a less bang for our buck per se?

So that's the only thing I've just been thinking about, and knowing that some of our districts at least have really old homes that we want to make sure get to stay on the housing stock versus being torn down.

So that's my thought there.

Um in terms of engagement, I'm excited to see uh district one.

We got rained out.

Remember that crazy Saturday that we had that insane rain, we had to cancel our session, but we're excited to reschedule that hopefully in July.

So district one can be engaged in that process and um, looking forward to seeing what folks have to say.

I totally understand everything they're saying with uh on slide nine about the um the I guess results.

And the only thing I'll say about this is even the in terms of supply costs, I think this might have been on another slide.

We know with rental production, and Pete talks about this like he gave us his presentation about the cycle of rental production, and so while we might hit a little lull, it'll need to ramp back up in and you know towards the end of our ship timeline.

So uh that's the other thing that was making me think what if we shifted for the next couple of years for a little bit, ramping back up knowing production is going to come back on once occupancy rates increase again.

Um, okay, and then so I think that's all I have for the ship work.

Oh, of course, I've got to mention that because she was just counselor was talking about the dashboard.

Every time we have this conversation, I go back on and I look at it, and I really just want to be able to filter.

I want to be able to say, tell me all of the 30 to 60% AMI projects in district one that the housing trust has built.

And I want to be able to click those three filters and I wanted to show it to me.

So I'm hopeful that that's included in the ship refresh, but I just uh vocalizing that.

Sarah, did you want to say something about it real quick?

You should have it sooner.

Working with IT, yes.

Sorry, um, we should have it sooner.

Allison on the team have been working with this Q2 data that we presented to get those filters in place with IT.

So we were hoping we'd be able to make a grand announcement today, but it'll have to wait.

Okay, yeah, thank you so much.

I'm excited to see it on the grant uh on the federal grant plan.

Um I want to thank you guys for updating the last three slides based on we had the conversation yesterday, and then I was able to see um slides eight, nine, and ten regarding the what is going to be in the three priority areas.

Um, this was what I was really interested in.

So here's an example of something that I was thinking about, right?

So affordable housing development, we have 6.2 million dollars in here.

I've also heard, I don't know if you guys have from some developers that because of what's going on with CD CDBG requirement like federal government requirements for construction, some people are actually not like would rat would much rather have our housing bond dollars than these dollars for their development.

So I just thought like given our general fund challenges and knowing what's coming up, would there be a way to move some of the development to major home rehab?

Understanding the argument that was made that major home rehab is also challenging because you have to do environmental reviews and it takes a little bit more time, but at the same, but at the same token, I feel like if we're able to get more in that bucket, uh, I just thought that might be one that could be uh we could find a different way to shift.

Sure.

Um, so what we're proposing for major home rehab is not an overall reduction, it is uh a reduction from federal because of the challenges, just like developers have concerns for homeowners.

We've seen shifts in uh HUD requirements that fall on the homeowners.

Um, for example, this year um there was a new provision added to our federal grants requiring homeowners to be everyone in the household to be run through a federal system that checks the migration status.

Um, HUD, mid-way through the year, turn that requirement to voluntary, which was positive.

So we're able to continue to pull people through our normal.

I mean, we check ID, we check social security number.

Um, but that is something that is only voluntary on a temporary basis and could be made a permanent requirement, which could make it challenging for all homeowners to comply with.

So this is one reason, and again, the increased um time to have a home rehab through the federal program.

There are just um additional regulations that we have to work through.

Um, that is one reason we were proposing again, not an overall reduction in home rehab funds, but a shift in the funds.

So then, Margaret, and what I my point was though, like I know it's not being reduced, but that's the one goal where we're not hitting our metric, right?

So instead of thinking about just keeping the money the same, I'm thinking about what would it take?

What if we and I understand the we want to keep some of it in our general fund for the flexibility time when we need it?

But what would it look like to change that affordable housing development to four million and put another um 2.2 into major home rehab, thus increasing that budget?

Because we're not going to get very much room from our general fund to increase any of that work, right?

There's not there's just not funding about it.

Justina, were you gonna say something?

Okay.

So I I'm just wondering if there is appetite to think about where we're not hitting our targets and how do we increase the funding in those buckets.

Um, the only other one that I don't I I just think uh on slide 10 for the neighborhood streets and sidewalks, like CDB again, CDBG funding can be used for a lot of different things, and so even if we don't want to touch the production, I feel like we should at least take this three million dollars and move it out of streets and sidewalks.

Three million is a drop in the bucket when it comes to streets and sidewalks.

So I don't know if we're required to spend a specific amount in each in each um one of these.

But I transparently I mean, Bassie Road could be three million dollars, and I just I don't know that we'd get a huge bang for our buck, but three million dollars in major home rehab or minor home rehab could be a huge benefit.

Like even if we just took um if we're increasing major home here by one, taking the minor home rehab that was cut in the trial and adding that one there, we can make it whole.

So I don't really I don't support doing three million dollars out of CDBG funding for sidewalks.

We can take that out of our capital program.

And I'm the person that talks about sidewalks all day, all day, but I just don't see this as this is the biggest bang for our buck with these dollars that are um that could be providing housing all the rest of my case.

Then I will support jumping that at the Bassy, that's what you're doing.

Thanks, Chair.

But you know, the other thing I was thinking about, Councilwoman on that specific issue, because I had the same thought about the three million dollars, but I wondered if it could also be leveraged with certain projects, so like you know how the housing trust is doing that concept where they want to do something at this facility and then they want to do some things around the facility.

Is how you could take that that money and add to complement a project that's being done for the surrounding community or connectivity, maybe around there, or if we're doing a project that's near a park, maybe we do that connectivity.

So I just want to keep it open.

I'm not sure if that's what you all have previously done, or it's something that was done maybe prior to the pandemic.

These funds because they are they're one of the few funds that can be used on something that's not directly housing, but it could be for infrastructure, and we find a lot of our affordable housing projects, as well as just our nonprofit partners that run into issues with a lot of infrastructure, they're required to improve the sidewalk around their building, build new sidewalks, make improvements to the streets, flood mitigation that may be needed, and CDBG is um it is very flexible and it can be used for that.

So whether we layer it with a project that received a housing award or we use it to help supplement our normal street and sidewalk repair program.

Um it was something feedback that we heard from the community was also support for improving infrastructure.

So how we use the funds is is up for discussion, but uh our thought was to have some set aside, which was done in previous years, but maybe hasn't been done recently, so that we can um utilize some for infrastructure and again um finding uh money in the general fund that would have been used for infrastructure and instead using CDBG and then those as the councilwoman was saying, the general fund is very flexible and that could be used for gap funding, major rehab.

Um so it's kind of swapping funds that go with a funding source, and you don't have to income qualify streets, you don't have to run them through a special system, um, but you can still get the work done and using some general fund savings if you were to maybe use some of those other more limited uses.

Yeah, and not to rehash an issue from last week, but you know, there are times when if you do utility work, you have to pay to redo the streets or sidewalks or things of that nature.

So it's just something to consider.

Um we'll go second round, Councilwoman Castillo.

Thank you, Chair.

Uh you touched on what I was going to emphasize, right, in terms of the infrastructure improvements and how they could uh potentially be used to support um projects within our ship partner schools like um, for example, Project DC, right?

We were presented data at the housing trust in terms of the amount of pedestrians that are hit by traffic.

Uh, and I don't remember the stat off the top of my head, but it was pretty alarming, and it occurs for a number of reasons.

Um, but along uh North Rio, right?

We have Haven for Hope, um proposed redevelopment of Cattlemen Square and UTSA, and how can we create a framework in which we're supporting uh these corridors where there's projected development and also we already know there's uh current housing, but there's also a need for that infrastructure.

Um, but I I do hear the councilman's point uh in in terms of of how can we uh uh make up for the reduction within the home rehab.

Uh, I would be supportive of that, but also supportive of maintaining um streets and sidewalks funding to help meet those goals um for for what you laid out, right?

The plans that exist that may need infrastructure investment.

Um and I'm curious to what that framework looks like uh in terms of how you identify uh where those uh dollars will go.

Can you share a little bit about that framework?

We'll work closely with the public works team to see um what they have planned uh for next year.

Um again, it doesn't have to be that exact list.

We want to make sure that we are being cognizant of what the needs are.

Um but since they would be the partners in making the street and sidewalk repairs or improvements, um, maybe new sidewalks altogether.

Uh, we'll work closely with them.

But since we are proposing to use CDBG funds, they would have to be in um CDG CDBG eligible areas and specifically um near neighborhoods, because we need to show that the improvements we are making are really primarily benefiting low to moderate income individuals.

Okay, you're allowed to be a question.

Um, to identify um where there may be a need and the funding could potentially support.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Councilwoman Mr.

Gonzalez.

Or Councilman Galvad.

Thank you, Chair.

Um, really appreciate the conversation around um the HUD plan.

Um, yeah, I got some different things with that.

I guess what I wanted to see a little bit more too um after this meeting is uh a breakdown of some of the projects that have been that use CDBG funding and how they were used, whether it's within some of these uh I know the buckets were different than the ones we're both, but now uh but just kind of breaking it down.

Maybe it's within the platform you're thinking about, uh, Councilman Record about how we can filter some of those things and see exactly where those funds went into.

Um, but I think it would be helpful to see, you know, are there how often are some of the uh developer community using uh the case management services or the uh the development funds with this or anything other sort, just kind of see where those needs are and who's comfortable using them.

Um if it's the same kind of provider, that's also important to know.

Um but it's kind of understanding a little bit more of those barriers and the the local use of it.

Um definitely understand the point about the major rehab component of it.

Uh I mean I always think about two, like all the residents that we have that are looking for uh ramp repairs on their homes or any kind of like aging in place uh rehab in their homes as well.

And I don't know where that we get that funding beyond our major minor home rehab programs.

So interested in seeing if we could do something with that in some way.

Um and then also I'm not gonna knock too much into the streets and sidewalk, I think it's really crucial here, and then understanding a lot about you know some of the areas that we've seen a lot of investment from district five and other places too where there's a lot of infrastructure need at the same time, it helps to kind of be able to do it all at once versus breaking out.

But when I think about neighborhood revitalization, I also think about the need to address uh vacant buildings and potentially using them for housing in some form.

There's always that desire, right?

But we know how costly it can be.

And I don't know how often C D BG funds or home funds have been used, not only this city, but generally, uh, for that kind of work.

I don't know how impactful that would be here in our city.

But something I've been thinking about when I think of just the kind of term revitalization, what better way than addressing uh you know, this particular site that's pretty uh that's been vacant for a long time that had a lot of issues, uh, not only being boarded up, but just keeping it into I don't know, making sure that it's uh available to use later on, hopefully, we do some of those fees.

I don't know if that are some of those costs for developers later on.

I don't know what the look would be for that, but something that I'm interested in pursuing at some point in some way, okay.

Okay, yes, councilman, we can just the right thoughts.

Great, thank you.

Um, to answer your question about how we've used CDBG for vacant buildings.

We recently um not not um it was I think it was just June 2025, so just a year ago, council approved um a partnership with the housing trust, where we acquired three vacant buildings um in the Cattleman Square area.

So they are part of the Cowman Square planning efforts or project DC, and um that was all acquired through CDBG funds um through the trust.

Got it.

Thank you.

So it's possible.

Appreciate that.

No, that's great.

Thank you so much.

Thank you, Chair.

Yes, Councilman Mr.

Gonzalez.

Sorry, just a quick question on the on the first presentation.

Could you provide a breakdown on the housing commitments, maybe by geography or district, just so all of council can see the unique opportunities that they have in their district specifically?

I think that'll help just on better frame um the need everywhere, right?

It exists everywhere, and there's opportunities different in district eight versus a district one or five or um so if that if that's something you guys can provide.

Councilman, are you asking for to show where we've made investments?

Commitments, yes, that's already.

Yes, and that's we can have that.

Yes, thank you.

Um, and then as far as uh um streets and sidewalks, I uh appreciate the point that the chair made.

Um, just because we want to do all of this at the same time, so I think that's just important to uh remember as we're setting goals and moving things forward.

Thank you.

Thank you.

It's been a good discussion.

I think I would also state that um, you know, when it comes to which I am very hopeful that we will have a housing bond for the next upcoming uh bond cycle, is to you know, have a rundown of the projects that we've done because I think we're just best just about complete on that, and then also help uh determine based on the funding we have in the general fund and the funding we have through C D B G priorities for like first out the gate because you know, when we were we've been discussing things in this last spot, I don't think we really got a significant uh projects, maybe one or two uh specifically for homelessness, right?

So we know that that's a huge challenge we're gonna have, especially when this downtown facility um you know ceases to operate.

So that's gonna be I think close to 300 beds or something like that that are gonna be gone.

So we know that's the most challenging thing to finance, right?

Because of the income.

So I think that would help determine what are going to be priorities for us moving forward and like what obviously we want the uh committee to determine the buckets and sizes, but I think that information will be helpful for them to see.

Like, you know, we've gone really far in production, which is great on multifamily, uh, but we have not you know really hit the mark on homelessness.

So maybe that's gonna be first out the gates for priority.

And the other thing to councilwoman Amessa Gonzalez's point is looking at production because I know we still need to do that citywide, but we also need to be mindful of where the projects have been and then where pockets of our community that still need that are.

So, yeah, I've talked to to Pete about this, and um, we just want to I'm concerned about oversaturation in some areas of these units because they're gonna be competing against each other.

Um and so to Councilman Core's point about occupancy, we want to make sure that we reach the occupancy levels that we need to sustain these projects.

But it might get to a point where we say, hey, you know, districts eight and nine, right?

We don't have hardly any of these types of projects, or very few.

So before we put another one in district four or five, we need to make efforts over here.

Uh, because one of the issues I have is I really don't for much of most of my district, I don't have market rates um of uh multifamily.

And so that presents its own challenges when you have mostly affordable housing.

Uh when I was a staffer, you know, I couldn't do an apartment in D4 because it you know it's income restricted.

So I just want to make sure we're considering all those things, because these are great projects, and we've been putting them down everywhere.

But we need to start looking at geographically where these are going, and then the occupancy within these communities.

So if I've got three projects within two miles of each other in D4, which I do have, and the occupancies are low, then I really cannot sustain another development even two or three miles out.

So I think that's something we need to look at also.

Very good.

Yeah, we can take all that into consideration.

It's a lot, but you know, as I said, you're number one in the priority.

So affordable housing and homelessness is a close second, and I think that just goes to show, you know, inflation, uh, you know, the cost of living going up.

But I think affordable housing is everything.

It's it's the bills associated with the house, it's uh the house itself.

Uh my house is actually pushing 60 years old, and you can start to see some of that.

And most of my communities is of that age, right?

You look at the rayalism development and and what's been done before 1980 in this city is is vast.

So we're definitely seeing that happen.

But it's really good discussion.

I appreciate it.

Any final comments or if I may just summarize next steps for both of these items.

For so for the ship, we'll take this feedback.

Um, we'll finalize the goals or the recommendation and bring those back to PCDC in August and get your uh additional feedback and then finalize for September.

With the consolidated plan, we will um work to finalize that plan.

Um it will be published on July in early July, um, but that will be going to council next um on August 6th, but we'll do um but we'll do individual briefings as well to get to uh update you on any changes that were made.

Yeah, so good luck with the other six.

Uh so there will be no further discussion.

The time is 11 10 and the meeting is now adjourned.

Thank you.