Hey all, we still have a minute or so until we get started, but I'm gonna go ahead and start the recording just so our virtual folks can log in.

Recording in progress.

We will begin this meeting with a prayer and the pledge.

Tonight I have Mr.

Scott Bond, a Noel Bateman committee member giving the prayer tonight, followed by uh the pledge given by Lamar Bexted.

Or excuse me, yeah, the pledge given by Lamar.

Thank you.

Our Heavenly Father, we are gathered here today as members of the community of Sandy amongst our community leaders, and we are grateful to live in this time and place.

We pray that that would bless those who we honor tonight for their service, that they might know of our gratitude.

Heavenly Father, we pray that uh that this would be uh a meeting of joy and that uh things might go forward in a way that would be pleasing to thee and this we pray for in the name of Jesus Christ.

Amen.

Mr.

Bexted, if you'd like to join us at the podium to lead us in the pledge.

Please repeat after me.

Hi, forward.

Thank you.

Thank you to both of our volunteers this evening.

We really appreciate that.

Uh we'll go ahead and start with introductions, starting with our council executive director, Mr.

Fratto.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

My name is Dustin Fratto.

I'm with the City Council Office.

There are two other council staff members in the back of the room, Justin Sorensen and Liz Terrio.

My name's Tracy.

I'm counsel for the council.

Chris Edwards with the council office.

Zach Robinson, District 3.

Marcy Houseman, District 4.

Brooke D'Souza at large.

Alison Stroud, District 2.

Aaron DeKaiser at large.

Cindy Sharkey at large.

I'm Sandy Mayor Monica Zeltanski.

I'm Shane Pay, City Administrator.

Lynn Pace, City Attorney.

Thank you.

I just want to go over general citizen comment briefly.

Our council policy is that we won't take citizen comment prior to 6 p.m.

And so at an appropriate time during the evening's agenda after 6, we'll come back to this.

If you are interested in making public comment tonight here in the room, there are blue cards in the back if you'd like to fill one out and bring it up here to Mr.

Fratto.

And then if you are online, we will uh be calling those online participants in the order that they raise their hand at the appropriate time, and everyone will be given three minutes at that time.

I want to go ahead and start with agenda item number one, which is a special recognition and presentation of the Noel Bateman Lifetime Service Award and the Sandy City Council Civic Engagement Award.

Tonight we have two very special programs as part of our City Council annual awards program.

We will be presenting these two awards this evening, honoring and the dedicated honoring the service and dedication of two individuals.

For our first presentation, will the Don Gertie family please join me in the front of the daisy?

The Sandy City Council is proud to introduce a new recognition and award, the Sandy City Council Civic Engagement Award.

This award was established to honor individuals whose voluntary service, civic involvement, and quiet leadership have made a meaningful and lasting impact on the city of Sandy and our community.

The inspiration for this award came during a special recognition held earlier this year in honor of longtime resident Donald Frank Gertie, whose exemplary life of service and civic commitment perfectly embodies the values this new award seeks to elevate.

Now a little bit about Don.

For over 25 years, Don Gertie faithfully served the people of Sandy as a dedicated member and longtime chair of the community development block grant community committee, or the CDBG committee.

Under Don's steady and thoughtful leadership, the committee helped direct more than 10.5 million in federal funding to vital community projects.

But beyond the numbers in the projects, Don led with something rare, a spirit of humility, kindness, and respect.

He created a welcoming and thoughtful environment where all voices were heard, where disagreements were met civilly, and where no unkind word was ever spoken under his leadership.

His dedication to community, leadership through example, and unwavering involvement in civic life left an indelible mark on Sandy City.

On behalf of the Sandy City Council, we would like to present the inaugural Sandy City Civic Engagement Award to the Gertie family to honor posthumously the life, service, and legacy of Donald Gertie.

Thank you so much.

Now we will move into the second presentation this evening.

Will John Winder and Tracy Cadell, the chair and vice chair of the Noel Bateman Committee, please come up to the podium for the presentation of the 2025 Noel Bateman Lifetime Service Award.

This is the 2025 Noel Bateman Lifetime Service Award, and it will be presented tonight to Michael as Kingy.

This year's recipient, Michael Tingy has spent decades helping shape Sandy City, not just through civic duty, but through personal sacrifice, quiet acts of service, and deep compassion for his neighbors.

Mike served on the Sandy City Planning Commission from 1985 to 1994, serving as the commission chair for many of those years.

This was during a time of unprecedented growth and change in Sandy City.

He was a steady and forward-thinking presence.

His guidance helped steer the city through key decisions that still impact us here today.

He was instrumental in the creation of Bell Canyon Park, a cherished park in our community.

But he also acted as the seed as the city's lead negotiator in the development of Dimpledel Regional Park.

Mike has exemplified a lifetime of service.

But now let's hear Mike in his own words.

We'll watch a video of Mike now.

We used to call it North Phoenix because everybody thought we were moving out so far.

There were some developments that wanted to come in that were going to be adverse to the individual homeowners that were there.

And I ended up representing those people and trying to talk with the city about what kind of development actually would be good in this particular area.

And then when Larry Smith appointed me was the chairman of the planning commission, I realized that sitting on the other side of the desk and making those decisions is very difficult.

When I first came into the planning commission, there were about 40,000 people in Sandy.

Nine years later, when I left, there were about 85,000 people.

So we were in a huge growth spurt.

But when you do that, you can take great pride in the things that you've done.

And this place was our number one choice, but we wanted the citizens to make that decision too.

The idea of the grassy mall that's out there every year when we've got the Fourth of July or on 9-11, you'll have the healing field out there.

Those are the kind of things that make a city a relevant city.

So I'm awfully proud of those things that we did.

I looked back at the Southtown Mall, which was the first large enterprise that I actually was on the approval with, or the Utah Auto Mall, or the Ski Connect Road.

All of those things are such a benefit to the city and to all the citizens there.

Or I look at the kids playing soccer or baseball on the parks.

And that really gives me a lot of pride in what we did.

And I knew Noel Bateman as an older man, but I heard the stories about all that he had done.

So to be able to have my name somewhere associated with those people is a tremendous thing for me and a feeling of pride, but I feel very humbled to be in that same group.

Absolutely.

Leslie, on behalf of the Noel Mapon Committee, it is our honor to present you with the 2025 No Bateman Lifetime Service Award.

Congratulations.

Sixteen of the recipients in the past have passed away.

And the oldest member surviving right now, Pat Adair is ninety-five.

She's not with us tonight, but uh, she had another thing she had to be to.

The next oldest is Lamar Bateman, he's 90.

And then Gordon B.

Gordon Johnson right behind him is soon to be 90.

And then Jen Van Campen is 87, and then I'm oldest.

I'm 84.

Well, that all sounds great.

Why don't we take two minutes and give us some remarks if you were pleased?

Thank you.

I'm uh I'm really humbled to receive this award, and I uh mentioned upstairs that uh big part of this goes to Leslie, who was there taking care of a whole bunch of very young kids.

And one of the first meetings that we had with dozens and dozens of issues to be looked at, started at six o'clock in the morning or six o'clock in the night, and it ended at one thirty in the morning.

And as I drove home, I passed our minivan, and Leslie was driving towards the old school to see if I was still there or if I was uh on a in an accident somewhere in the on the roadways.

But what we were able to do, I take great pride in.

But most of all, I really appreciate the people who are working in in behalf of Sandy City, the people who have come before the long periods of time that they've worked, and I really appreciate the citizens, both the commercial citizens and the residential citizens, and weighing those property rights of everyone is a real uh significant responsibility.

I appreciate all those who are now serving in those positions, and uh I'm awfully glad to be a member of Sandy City, and thank you very much for for this award.

On behalf of the committee, we would like to thank the city council who uh is so graciously supervised this award.

And also, could we give a round of applause to Chris Edwards who's staffed to the Noel Bateman Committee and make a praise level time?

Thank you.

Thank you, madam chair.

Thank you, everyone.

Um, and thank you everyone for being involved in this evening's special recognition and awards program.

Um special thanks again to the Noel Bateman Committee and the Gertie family, and we wish you all our best and look forward to seeing you at next year's presentation.

And that concludes agenda item number one.

Item number two is the administration presenting the one kind act a day joint resolution.

I have Mr.

Mason Bennett, Director of Operations with One Kind Act a Day presenting this item.

Miss Kim Bell, if you'd like to introduce it.

Yes, thank excuse me.

Thank you, Council.

I have the honor of welcoming Curtis Bennett, the executive director of One Kind Act Today.

We have been fortunate fortunate enough, the mayor and Susan and I to attend many events with One Kind Act today, and had the opportunity to see the positive impact that they're having on the community and many individuals.

Their program is wonderful and something that's needed in all communities.

And uh small act of kindness, as many of us knows, makes a huge impact to in other people's lives.

And we look forward to the potential of becoming uh the receiving the designation as a kindness city.

And I will turn the time over to Mason.

Thank you.

Uh my name is Mason Bennett.

Curtis Bennett was our previous director, and my father, uh he recently retired, and I have big shoes to fill uh literally and figuratively.

I think he wears about size 13.

So I'm the director for one kind act today, and um as I was thinking about to say today, and I've had the opportunity to go and speak at a couple other events.

Um, you know, there's a lot going on in the world.

Last week was a bit of a heavy week.

Um on September 10th, there were several acts of violence that occurred across the country, one of them here in Utah, and um the day after was September 11th, where we commemorated uh the attacks that happened on the on the towers, and I felt like I was going from here to here all week, and um I I was wondering what to say at some of these places I was going to with all these things going on about the need for kindness in the world, and then I thought to myself that's exactly what we need more of in the world.

Um on September 10th, uh One Kind Act Today had the opportunity to be partnering with the 9-11 Day of Service and the Utah Department of Corrections to do the first and only uh 9-11 Day of Service Project project to happen in a correctional facility.

Uh the inmates on that day, or leading up to that day who make 75 cents to $1.50 an hour had donated $6,000 of their own money uh to raise funds to purchase toiletry supplies to go help flood victims in Texas.

And on the 10th, we all got to get together and package those those kits and send them out.

Um on the 11th, when we were commemorating uh the events of that day, uh, we got to partner again with the 9-11 Day of Service to uh go to the University of Utah and package 150,000 uh meal kids.

And so, you know, the 9-11 Day of Service is all about commemorating how, in the face of these difficulties and these trials, the American people came together and served and helped and and connected with one another.

And so there's a lot of you know very trying things happening right now, but I think it's important to remember that you know we can trust our neighbors still, we can be kind, we can we can have a community that comes together.

And Utah is a place where that happens.

We're number one in volunteerism.

We have one kind act today, we have the dignity index, disagree better.

A lot of great organizations calling for kindness and calling for um community.

And so that's what I'm I'm privileged to do with one kind act today.

Uh, we work a lot in, as I mentioned, we work in corrections.

We work in the uh Utah with the Utah Department of Corrections and Juvenile Justice Youth Services with kiddos uh in detention.

We work with schools, we work with businesses, and we really enjoy working with cities.

Um, the whole point of what one kind act today is all about is creating kinder communities by inspiring daily acts of deliberate kindness, and so we really love the opportunity to uh work with cities and and and communities.

This is the clicker design.

Is this it?

Should just be the large button, this one to point it somewhere.

That's okay.

Liz, could you just click through the presentation?

Sorry about that, Mason.

Maybe check the battery.

Um, so as I mentioned, we love working with cities uh to help build enhance your culture of community.

Uh, from what I can already see, Sandy is a city that has a rich rich culture of community building, kindness, volunteerism, and uh we're just here to help celebrate and support and uh enhance that with what we can.

Can we go to the next one?

We have some ideas in here.

So, usually I should step back a little bit.

So, one kind act today.

Uh we're in very fortunate position as it as a non-for-profit.

Uh, we're fully funded charity, we don't seek nor do we accept donations.

Uh all of our programs that we offer are free, and we just want to help get the message out and create kind of communities.

And so, usually when we work with the city, there's lots of different things we can do.

Uh, a really beneficial part is working with the schools.

Like I said, that's a big push of what we do.

So, working with the schools and getting kindness spread in the in the in the elementary, middle school, high schools, and uh teaching those those um behaviors at an early age is just paramount to getting those kids um being kind with each other.

Oh battery change.

Oh, I thank you.

Can we go to the next one?

Uh we have a lot of fun working with the youth city councils.

And so I notice you have a good youth city council here, and it's a lot of fun to help get the message out.

One that's been uh a lot of fun, um, and I know there's a lot of signs right now, probably with the election going on, but uh it it's almost it's almost like political canvassing uh for kindness.

Uh getting the youth to go out and knock on their neighbors' doors and say the city's focusing on kindness right now.

It's a message we like, it's a message we want to promote.

Would you mind promoting it in your home in your neighborhood?

You can put up a sign, you can go on and talk to your neighbors and just going out and talking uh with people.

Thank you so much.

Very kind of you going out and talking with their neighbors and getting them to spread kindness and and getting uh you know the um the community fired up, and it's great message for the youth to share.

Uh people really respond well.

I've actually brought um I have I have three young boys, and I brought my eight-year-old and five year old along with me, and uh good response, you know, to those little kids and sharing kindness.

Uh, we like to get involved with your community events, however, we can help to enhance and spread and share.

Um, I know there's a lot of great events that happen around here.

Um, another thing we like to do um is co-branding the message.

Uh and also, you know, we're i it it kind of highlights the partnership that we like to have.

We recognize the fact that we know a lot about kindness and how to spread it, but we don't know your citizens, we don't know your initiatives, we don't know your goals, and we want to work together with you to help create and promote what you have going on and to tailor make uh uh an initiative that really fits with your message and what you want in the city.

And so uh we really enjoy co-branding messages uh with signs or messaging or activities or any of that, anything of that nature, and all of this kind of leads towards uh certification.

So we like to certify an organization that we work with, schools, cities, uh businesses as part of our communities of kindness.

We're trying to build communities of kindness um across the state.

And so throughout this effort that we hope to uh accomplish working with the city of Sandy, and we're very excited to hopefully work with the city of Sandy to eventually uh lead towards a certification as a city of kindness.

And we're very thrilled.

I know that there's an agenda item on the um proclamation.

Were you gonna talk about that?

And then any questions.

And I did call you Curtis in the beginning because I worked with his father and then also with Mason, so I apologize for that.

But your father's amazing as well as you are.

So um the the resolution that's on the agenda is a joint resolution, and part of the one kind act today kindness initiative is also having a proclamation or a resolution in our case adopted by the city council to um not only move this for this program forward, but also to designate, I believe it was April 12th, which was set by the state legislature as the kindness day.

So it's two part.

Um I forgot one other thing, too.

So one of the things we like to have, and we're hoping maybe we could uh do with the law enforcement um who love challenge coins is we have a challenge coin, our kindness coin.

And we feel that's really important that when you see something kind, someone does something kind.

Uh it's important to take a minute to stop, recognize and celebrate that act of kindness.

So actually, I'd like to ask Dustin to come back.

Thank you so much for helping me out with these batteries.

It was very kind of you.

Just take a quick minute, and it doesn't have to be.

I mean, this was helpful, but it doesn't have to be anything big.

But I'd like to give you this coin.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Now, Dustin, that coin uh was never mine to keep, it was always mine to give away, and now it's not yours to keep, it's now yours to give away.

So when someone does something kind for you, now everybody take note.

Dustin's got the coin, do nice things for him.

Um I encourage you to take a minute to stop, recognize and celebrate that act of kindness.

No, thank you.

Thank you.

Any questions?

Council, are there any questions?

This is just an information item tonight, and on the 30th, this will come back for consideration of adoption of that joint resolution.

I don't think we have any questions.

Thank you so much for your time tonight in the presentation.

Appreciate it.

Really appreciate that.

All right, that concludes agenda item number two and move this on to item number three, which is the administrative services department presenting the annual state fraud risk assessment.

And Brian Kelly will be presenting this item.

Brian, the time is yours.

Thank you, Council Chair.

Um good evening, council.

That tonight I'm here to report to you this year's state fraud risk assessment.

This is an annual update to you that we do, and um this is in your packet as well, signed by myself and our CIO, Shane Pace.

Um this is a document that we forward on to the state as required with our annual audit.

And our score this year is 355 out of the total possible of 395, similar to previous years.

So they rate uh based on your score, they give you a range of very low risk, low, moderate, high, or very high.

And 355 or greater is very low risk, greater than 355.

So we're right on the cusp of that.

So I just wanted to report that and see if you have any questions for me about this.

And as I understand it, there's no action needed from the council.

This is strictly a um checking of boxes and making sure that it's been presented to the council correct.

Correct.

Are there any questions for Mr.

Kelly?

Councilmember Sharkey.

Brian, I think it was so kind of you to give this presentation tonight.

And so I think you're due a kindness coin from Dustin.

That he should I think we should hand this around several times tonight.

We should all be so kind tonight.

So Brian, I think he's eligible for that kindness coin.

I think it's uh my coin to give away, Cindy.

Somebody kind of rules thank you, Mr.

Kelly.

Okay, thank you.

That finishes out item number three and takes us into item four, which is the public works department presenting the council with an update on the Wasatch Boulevard hot crossing.

Uh Brittany Ward and uh is Ivan here or is it just okay?

Great.

Okay, no problem.

So Brittany, I'll go ahead and give it over to you for this presentation.

Thank you.

Thank you, Brooke.

That was a very nice introduction.

Should I say Miss DeSaza?

Um good evening, City Council.

Thank you for this opportunity to present to you our research on the Wasatch Boulevard crossing, and look at the different and walk along with me as we look at the different solutions that we've come up with for access across Wasatch Boulevard.

Um just to begin with, I'm gonna slam you with a whole bunch of definitions and acronyms that I'm gonna use throughout the presentation.

Um so these are acronyms I've used before in the past, but for those who aren't familiar with them, I just wanted to take a moment to go over them.

So the MUTCD is the manual on uniform traffic control devices.

That is the national standard that is utilized for all traffic control devices, meaning traffic signals, signs, striping, etc.

etc.

A new term that I haven't brought before you today is LTAP, and that's the local technical assistance program.

It's a kind of like a government organization that gives local governance um assistance for smaller studies or research or whatever, and so they have helped us on on this project as well in one area.

Hawk is a high-intensity activated crosswalk.

There's a picture of it the on the higher up, and that is for a signalized crosswalk.

This one that uh you see a picture of is on 9400 south and 840 east.

RRFB means rapid rectangular flashing beacon.

Those are the that's the picture on the left, um, the flashing horizontal bar when it gets pushed by a pedestrian, the buttons pushed.

APS audible pedestrian signal, um that gives audible sounds to um those who are impaired crossing the street, either um through disability or through just being on a cell phone and not paying attention.

It's helpful.

And then DFS is driver feedback sign, tells the driver how fast they're going.

SSD is stopping site distance.

That is a standard that is discussed in the M U T C D as well as the ASHA, which is the book on geometric design for roadways and streets, and then for the sake of a presentation, I shortened pedestrian to just plain old PED.

And then you'll see throughout my presentation some red arrows, and that would be um the focus on my presentation today, and our studies of crossings on Wasatch Boulevard.

Um, so just a quick reminder back in fall of 2023, I came before the city council to give a presentation regarding traffic calming on Wasatch Boulevard.

So prior to that date, we had done several tasks, which was um review of the signage on on the roadways and relocate them as needed, driver feedback signs, advisory speeds, chevron's warning signs.

We had done several studies on the roadway too regarding posted speed limits, speeding, accidents, site distance, geometry.

We had done a lot of speed monitoring, we had monitoring, we did enforcement and maintenance on the crosswalk.

Since that time, so between that time I get that presentation and today, we have all done all of these other actions on on the column on the right.

We've installed rapid rapid rectangular flashing beacons at 2220 east, which is the school crossing there at high Mesa Drive.

We installed audible pedestrian signals at 1700 East.

We did the LTAP curve analysis, we've done some tree trimming, we adjusted the ski traffic operations to help with that congestion during heavy ski days.

We added no U turn signs along Wasatch Boulevard to help the police in those operations.

We have done a hot crossing study at several locations around the 2220 East location, and that's what I'll talk to you about today.

We've done additional speed monitoring.

We put up a mobile speed trailer, enforcement, maintenance on the pavement, and maintenance on signs.

Okay, moving forward, we're not done yet.

We still have a lot to do.

So right now, what's underway is we still plan on installing audible pedestrian signals at Wasuch Boulevard and SR209.

That is a UDA-owned signal, and so that is on their list to add there.

The 1700 East signal needs to be upgraded.

We're doing a debris flow study right now east of Wasatch Boulevard in all seven basins.

We just are barely kicking off that project.

And our my assistant city engineer is doing that project and running it, so uh his he'll come and do a presentation at a later time after we've developed that study along a little bit more.

Um, and then we're doing some uh studies of 18 of the uh slope, the cross slope on the roadway at about 1800 east, where we've seen some vehicles just for some reason slide off the road right there.

So we're gonna continue to study that.

Um we are also looking at doing a pedestrian crossing upgrade, and that's what I'm looking for input from you guys on today.

Uh we need to clear the site triangle visibility at Cassawiri Drive, maybe add some bull outs.

Um, I'll go into that a little bit later today, and then maybe both school crossing, adding missing sidewalk, and additionally traffic calming telemetric software, which I won't talk about today.

Okay, so now back to focused to our actual study, which was looking at pedestrian crossing, potential pedestrian crossing locations.

So if you remember, you guys did uh fund 200,000 for us to install an upgrade for pedestrian crossing on Wasatch Boulevard, and so this is to expend that fund.

So the reason why we're looking at this today is because there have been citizens that have came and spoken to us and you guys about safety concerns of Wasach Boulevard, school children crossing the road, vehicle speeds, the speed limit, either the posted speed limit or travel speed limit of vehicles, and then a big one that I always get is access to parks and trails and the church, just cross access on both sides of that roadway.

So today our goal was to prevent fatal and serious injury crashes on the roadway, and the other one was to improve access.

So moving forward, um, we've already done things to improve pedestrian visibility, which is to improve that safety by trimming trees, adding higher hazard striping on the crosswalks, we've added advanced warning signs.

There's already RFBs in place, there's a reduced speed school zone during school hours.

Um the RFB, we added in addition to that reduced speed school zone so for people to use outside of school hours, and then for all the other times of the day that applies, uh, we did review installing a hawk crossing there.

Um, and also we continue to look at speeds on Wassatch Boulevard, both what's actually posted and uh what's actually traveled at.

And there has been an interest in reducing speeds on Wasach Boulevard, so we've done very various studies on that.

Um, and as a as an overall statement, so in order to have effective reduction in speed and have it be effective, then we need to make physical improvements to the roadway that makes it feel like it's traveling slower.

And when you get that effective speed reduction, your crash severity does decrease as well.

Um, and you do that, you take those steps, and you're able to have effective speed reduction by either changing the roadway geometry, um, redoing the curvature of the roadway, both vertical and horizontal, or making that roadway feel a little bit narrower, like never narrowing the pavement through like through bull outs.

Okay, so I looked at we looked at five project alternatives.

Um, number one was doing nothing.

We already have high hazard striping there, we already have advanced warning signs, we already have RRFBs, we already have a reduced speed school zone.

There is a lot there already, and it's working pretty effectively.

The second option is to look at converting that location at 2020 2220 east or high mesa drive to an overhead RFB reduced speed school zone and adding bulb outs.

You can see in the pictures on the bottom left corner of this sign of this slide.

The larger, darker picture at night time, that is what an overhead RFB looks like, and it just kind of brings that visibility to drivers a little bit higher instead of being on the side of the road, it's easier to see.

And it just kind of brings that visibility to drivers a little bit higher instead of being on the side of the road, it's easier to see.

And then the picture on the far left is an overhead school zone school flasher.

The other three alternatives that we looked at was to install a hawk crossing.

And we looked at these three locations, particularly because they meet the site distance standard requirements based on MET CD and through Ashto, which is I didn't put the acronym on there, but that's the geometric design book.

And so it was very important that wherever we put a crossing on Wasach Boulevard, that vehicles are able to see the crossing in time to stop if there's a potential conflict and vice versa, and so that pedestrians can see oncoming vehicles so they can adequately prepare themselves to be safe as they cross.

So just a the quick lowdown on hawk crossings.

It is a standard signal within the METCD book.

So they couldn't be at intersections, they had to be mid blocks.

And that was because approaching traffic needed to be able to see the signal indication and be able to prepare to see if pedestrians are crossing before they proceeded through that crosswalk.

But the new standard does allow hawks to be placed at intersections as long as the adjacent streets coming into the roadway are stop controlled, which is great.

I think that was a great upgrade in the in the new METCD because I think crosswalks at intersections are safer than mid-block.

They're more expected by drivers.

So and then I think those stop signs were placed that requirement for the stop sign so that the approaching vehicle had time to stop and then absorb its surroundings before they proceeded through.

So the pedestrian has to push the button in order for the lights to flash.

It needs to have proper sight distance to it.

At least 100 feet in advance and 20 feet past the crosswalk, there needs to be no side instructions, such as on-street parking or landscaping.

And then the same stopping site distance that is required for traffic signals at four-way or three-way intersections is required for hawk crossings as well.

In order to re warrant a pedestrian hawk crossing, there needs to be at least 20 pedestrians per hour on a regular basis.

Optional improvements in addition to the hawk can include a pedestrian refuge island, which you can see in this picture.

This is the one that we have at 840 east on 9400 South.

Bull outs on the side that gets the pedestrians closer to the roadway but still provides them enough protection from vehicles and helps visibility of both the vehicle and the pedestrian.

But in order to add these improvements, they do they do come with additional funding needs.

But they're always options.

Okay, so then we're looking closer into the three hawk alternatives that we looked at.

We looked at one at 1950 east.

That doesn't work very well.

Okay, so the one at 1950 East is, of course, west of High Mesa Drive.

And that if a hawk were to be installed at that location, it would replace the school crosswalk at 2220 East.

And the benefit of this look of the 1950 East location is it's closer to the Highland Drive Corridor and the Bell Canyon Gully.

And we also looked at a location east of Mesa Drive, which is 224 to East.

That also will replace the would replace the crosswalk at 2220 east.

However, the added benefit is that it improves crossing facilities for both the middle and high schools, and the and it's able to serve more residents because it's further away from the 1700 east signal.

And it's a shorter distance to Hidden Valley Park, various trailheads, pocket parks like the water tank park and the church on the south side.

And then the third location that we looked at was at 2220 East itself.

It does replace the 2220 East Crosswalk, but it also upgrades it.

So if it's placed at this location, then we'll be able to maintain the reduced speed school zone, maintain the existing crossing guard that is there as well.

So it has all of the benefits of the other two locations.

Plus, it's already an established crossing location.

It maintains the existing school walk route, and the crossing guard there crosses about between 15 to 20 pedestrians at every school crossing time.

So 15 to 20 in the morning, 15 to 20 in the PM.

And it uh it maintains the existing school bus stop locations.

It's also a more direct route for pedestrians to walk, both school pedestrians and regular active pedestrians, because they don't have to go out of their way to go and access a mid-block crosswalk.

So it's already right there at an intersection where they would change their direction of traveler path, or even if they're can they were to continue north and south, it's a direct north and south connection.

Um, and then we cannot put a pedestrian refuge island there because there are turn pockets that are needed for the adjacent streets, so that's one negative about that location.

However, a bull outs could be installed.

Okay, so digging in a little bit more.

This is our concept plan that we put together for the 2220 East Hawk crosswalk.

As you can see, there's the turn pockets there that are preserved.

Um we could put in a raise median if needed.

The stop bar would be placed further to the west of the existing stop bar, which is where the vehicles will be required to stop when that hawk crossing is activated.

And also in this concept, we did draw bull outs as an alternative if that's something that you guys wanted to have added, or if we found the funding in order to do that.

And then this next exhibit is the stopping site distance required for that crossing at the 2220 east location.

Coming westbound on Wasach Boulevard, that stopping site distance required is greater because it's a downgrade, so it takes a vehicle longer to stop going down the hill than it does up.

Um so then uh we've dug deep down in, so now we're stepping back a little bit again because the particular request uh for us to research and look at was 2220 east.

How do we make it safer for pedestrians to cross both children and regular pedestrians?

And so here's the options on this slide what we what we can choose and look at doing.

So either maintaining what's there existing, um, we can install the overhead reduced speed school zone and the RRFB.

It's a little bit more uncommon, but it maintains that existing crosswalk and upgrades it slightly, or to install the hot crossing there.

Our preferred location at Public Works is to install the hot crossing.

That's the most advanced and option that you that we can install.

It keeps all the same functions of the existing crosswalk location, but makes it a little bit safer.

Um, and again, it's okay to put at an intersection now as long as there is a stop control on the on the minor legs that are approaching it, and all those streets are already controlled by a stop sign.

Um the primary device, the good thing an important thing to remember here is that the primary traffic control device at a hot crossing is the red light itself.

And so that would be a location that's always expected for drivers when they come in and approach the the crosswalk, then they'll always know where to look where they see that that red light, as opposed to an existing crossing guard stopping children.

You know, they you can still see the stop sign, and it's still pretty visible, but that crossing guard isn't always standing at the same place, and it's a little bit lower down with an overhead light approaching traffic, will be able to see the signal indication, even if there are vehicles in front of them and flatooned.

And that reaches the end of my presentation.

So I would look to input from you guys on what your preference is, or if there's anything further you want me to explore, or if you'd like us to move forward on doing a project here and installing an improved crossing.

Council, are there any questions for Brittany?

Who wants to go first?

Councilmember Sharkey, and then we'll come down here.

So if I have this right, we installed the RRFB there, was it a year ago, two years ago?

Yes, in 2023, after we gave after I gave their last presentation on this location.

So this contemplation of replacing it with the hawk.

What isn't working now, or what do you expect will work better with the Hawk signal?

So the installation of the RRFD crossing was an immediate solution that we were able to implement at that time.

Since then, you guys have been able to allocate and find funding to upgrade the crosswalk even more, and so that's why I'm presenting to you today to see if you want to continue down that direction.

Right now, with our speed studies, we have found that the average speed of vehicles through this 40 mile per hour zone is pretty much at 40 miles per hour as it is.

The 85th percentile speed, which is the speed at which 85% of or is the speed at which 85% of vehicles are going at or below, so it's the top speed reached by 85% of vehicles, is just slightly over 40 miles per hour.

We're looking at 40 to 42 to 43 miles per hour, depending on which direction that you go, which is great.

It tells me that the speed limit on that roadway is adequately posted.

Um we have researched accidents on this roadway too.

So if you see in your packet, we've done Ivan Hooper, our transportation engineer has written a report on that on those studies and has called out the accidents there.

There have been very few, um, but there is one where someone was stopped at the crosswalk for someone to cross, and then um that vehicle got re ended rear-ended because somebody else wasn't paying attention or looking at that.

And so installing a hawk crosswalk will help uh prevent accidents like that from happening.

Okay.

So how?

So the flashing lights are expected to stop traffic, correct?

Or are you I want the whole I understand you're at we're advocating for spending more money?

I'm just curious what we're going to get for that additional expense, right?

So I'd like to be specific about that.

So the flashing lights, is it not your expectation as traffic engineers that that stops traffic but just slows traffic?

And you want to stop traffic with a red light and then change that to a blinking red light.

I mean, what is your expectation?

Do you think it will be safer for pedestrians or safer for cars, or what is your expectation with this upgrade?

Yeah, so the difference between the two treatments, RFBs are a yellow flashing light, and so when those get activated, drivers see them on the side of the road or overhead, and it's and those require drivers to look at their surroundings, visualize and see if there is a pedestrian crossing or not.

It's a yellow light, which means it's a warning.

Um the pedestrian crossing sign is also yellow, which is a warning.

So it's not um it's not a black and white sign, like it's like like it's legal, like you must go 35 miles per hour, um, but it's just more of a heads up.

Here's there's probably a pedestrian here because these lights are flashing.

Um it's just a call for drivers to be more aware.

Uh for a hawk crossing, when a pedestrian first pushes the button, um, it turns yellow and then it turns red to a solid red vehicles are required to stop at that red light, and then after some time has passed, that solid red light turns to an alternating flashing red light.

And if after a vehicle stops and they see that the crosswalk is clear, they may proceed through that intersection.

So, really, it's up to you guys as a city council if you want to keep or which safety facility that you want to keep in place or change.

And when there's a crossing guard, crossing um children there.

Mm-hmm.

Um is it your expectation that the Hawk signal would be in use while there's a crossing guard there, or would it be one or the other?

And uh so I must well let me I'll let you answer that first question.

Um so it would operate similar to how a school crosswalk operates at a normal four-way intersection.

Take 900 90th south and 300 east for an example.

Um while the METCD prohibits reduced speed school zones at um regular intersections, it doesn't it doesn't prohibit them at hawk intersections.

Um but let's go back to normal four-way intersection.

When a crossing guard shuffles kids across the road, they do so in uh in synchronization with that existing traffic signal.

They won't take the kids across the road to cross unless that particular phase has a an available crossing movement, and so it's just an extra safety precaution and procedure to help the children across the road and get a little bit more awareness to the drivers there.

Um with the hawk crossing, it could also be used by the crossing guard.

They could activate the cross the hawk signal because that's the primary traffic control device.

And so when that signal is read, the crossing guard would then proceed to cross the children across the roadway, and then when they stop, they put their paddle down, then the hawk would operate in normal conditions, meaning drivers would still stop and see if there's any pedestrians in the crosswalk and then proceed forward.

The reduced speed school zone would also still be in place.

So unlock a regular signalized intersection, the hawk would still allow for that reduced speed school zone to be in place.

Would there be any confusion?

Do you expect any situation where the crossing guard is activated?

The hawk and the light turns red and all the traffic must stop.

But let's say, is there could you envision a situation where the crossing guard is still crossing when the hawk signal sequences to blinking?

And we don't want cars at that phase to be able to stop and then go, right?

And so could there be any confusion by having a crossing guard that has one set of expectations, but the signal may be indicating to a driver that because they're instruct generally there are instructions on the hawk signal, right?

You have to stop when it's red, when it's blinking, you can stop and then go.

But if a crossing guard is there, you can't stop and go.

So is there a conflict there potentially?

There's not.

If the if the lights on the hawk are flashing red, it does require a vehicle to stop, and they cannot proceed through until that crosswalk is clear of pedestrians, and that includes the crossing guard.

Okay.

And we can program that signal to have a longer red flashing time if we need it to accommodate the slower walking speeds of the children going through.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you, Councilmember Housman.

Great questions.

Thank you, Madam Chair, as well.

Um I just want to make sure I'm following the we've we've set aside money for for the studies for the things that the interventions that are already been put in place.

The recommendation you're bringing to us tonight is for the hawk, and you've done an excellent job of explaining why that's the recommendation.

Is that what the additional 105,000 for?

Because I thought it you were listing other things.

Um so if you could just clarify, would the hawk fall under current funding?

Yeah, so the current 200,000 would appropriately cover the cost of installing the hawk signal.

If you wanted to add additional safety features to it, such as such as bull outs, then we would need extra funding for that.

Okay, that's what I understood, but I'm glad I checked my thinking against yours.

So we could move forward.

You're just looking for direction as to um do we support your recommendation, which is the hawk, because we have the funding for it.

Um what is your recommendation in terms of the bull out?

Because you said what's not allowed is the little islands at 20, because we're talking your per your preference is hawk at current location, correct?

Not just a slightly not 2040.

Yes, I I mean I would honestly like to do a grade separated crossing further east to help with um more direct access to the park and active transportation facilities.

Um we just can't do an outgrade crossing further east because it doesn't meet site distance standards.

So, yes, my recommendation would be to install the crossing at its current location because it's more of a direct route for all pedestrians.

And that's where bowl balps are allowed, but not the the little island.

Correct, yeah.

Bull bats will be allowed there, not the middle islands, because that space is currently being utilized by left turn lanes.

If you want the pedestrian refuge island, then that hawk crossing would need to be installed further to the east or west.

Um, and then my last question.

I I know typically I don't think this is the case, but it is the case with the traditional traffic light.

So because you mentioned um the the longer visibility that is needed because it takes more to slow down going downhill than up.

Um is it is it possible to have an alert earlier?

Um so as soon as that signal goes on earlier, like at that initial viewpoint where the viewpoint begins, there there is an alert there, say prepare to stop, prepare to stop.

Yeah, that's called an advanced warning signal.

And uh I actually got one of those added on 90th South, headed westbound just before 7th West when I first started here at the city.

For that exact same reason, the downhill was a little was was steeper, and I we'd seen several accidents come in, and I think it's helped.

So it's it's been good.

Um when the hawk is installed, there will be advanced warning signs, but not an advanced warning signal.

If we want the advanced warning signal, again, that would take additional funding.

I would want to study that further to see if that type of thing is is needed or not.

And that's actually been on my to-do list for quite a while before I was even city engineer, was to study all the Hawk crossings to see if we could have further safety improvements by adding those advanced warning signals.

So still in the plans to do it.

Um I love the idea of moving forward with this next phase first and then studying impact again.

Um, I I also you know, should the study warrant it?

I I think it would be great that and the fact that you're already considering it means okay, I'm not in left field.

Like that could be an appropriate place for that, not just a sign, but the flash prepare to stop.

Um, so I know you're looking for feedback.

This is not a voting item, it's coming back for us, right?

Okay.

Um, but I do feel like you've you've studied it, you've researched it, and I do think additional action is needed.

Um, I like the idea of the Hawk signal there.

Thank you.

Councilmember Robinson.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I'm actually glad Miss Housman went before me because she had a very similar question that I was gonna ask.

Um and and yeah, by way of feedback, um, I I certainly appreciate this direction.

Just a quick shout out.

Like this presentation was awesome.

We've been talking about this area for years.

Like, I mean, this as you mentioned, it started way back, even before 2023.

Like this has been an area of concern for that's been discussed in here countless times.

So I'm actually really appreciative to see uh some of the results of your analysis, and I really really appreciate the additional recommendations.

Um, like Miss Hassman said, like I'm supportive of what you want to move forward with right now, like by just way of general feedback, I think that's the right direction.

But a couple questions have popped in my mind.

One, um, and again, to build off the question that that Marcy just asked, like, so if we move forward with this hawk signal now in the location that you were recommending, which I think is appropriate, in the future, if uh future versions of the council and administration want to add on, we can still do that, right?

This is not a one and done.

I think I think the question that was asked about the additional signaling is kind of what I'm alluding to, but also some of the other features that you've that you've made this recommendation here.

So I I would be genuinely curious to know like are we able to add on if we just move forward now and then come back later on?

Yeah, most certainly.

We can always come back and add bold outs or the advanced warning signal, change the turnpocket lengths, change striping.

Yeah.

I do like the idea of the additional analysis.

I think that is really smart.

Um, and and I like to see how these interventions do take place.

And you've done a good job of of highlighting some of that, you know, in some some other areas around the city.

And so I appreciate your work there.

The other question that's popped into my mind, and I apologize if this is an incredibly naive question.

I just cannot recall off the top of my head.

Wasatch, um, can you just remind me of the area that you studied on like specific to Wasatch?

I I know obviously it's 2220 or 2240 east, all the way down to 1700 east.

Did you go any further north along Wasatch?

So when we did the LTAP curve analysis, yeah, for the for the posted speed limit and um speed studies.

Yes, we did all of Wasat Boulevard.

The analysis that we did, and I'm presenting to you tonight is specifically for crossing options that met stopping site distance standards.

Thank you for that.

I I feel like that's been mentioned before, I just couldn't recall because you know there are some interesting parts outside of the area that you've lasered in here.

Um there's some interesting parts along Wasatch that I was just kind of curious if you had looked at them or evaluated them.

And and I know some of those parts of Wasatch also have some safety measures put in now, like the raised medians and things along those lines.

So I appreciate that.

Um the other question, too, that I again will apologize if it's incredibly naive.

But that stretch of road, does it have UDOT and Sandy City controlled roads?

Like is it a mix like what we see along 94th or other parts of the city?

7th, I think is another kind of mix of UDOT roads and and state roads and and city roads, or is it all Sandy City?

I can't remember.

Yeah, Wast Boulevard is fully owned and maintained by Sandy.

The traffic signal at SR209 or 9400 South going up to Lilicoton Canyon, that's owned and maintained by UDOT because the East West Road is theirs.

Okay, so this question may be kind of a null question, but the recommendations that you do put forward, I'm assuming UDOT would sign off on those in the event that they need to, right?

I I guess what I'm looking for is do we have to jump through other bureaucratic loops to get this done?

We do not.

We do not need we do not need UDOTS review on this or approval.

Perfect.

Thank you so much.

And move forward, please.

Thank you, Councilmember DeKaiser.

I just want to say thank you.

And to Ivan and Ryan and the department's involvement, uh, this is my neighborhood.

I cross here very often.

Um it's been concerning, you know, seeing cars coming down the hill at excessive speeds, uh, even with the crossing guard in the crosswalk.

Um, like council member Robinson mentioned, this is it's been an important community issue for a long time.

There's lots of residents there that I'm in communication with regularly, and I'm really pleased with it.

A few months ago, we got an email about different proposed locations, and so I'm super super super happy with the recommendation, the crosswalk where it is now on the safe walking route, and uh it'll help me get to Steve McKinnon's house much easier.

Thank you.

Thank you, Councilmember Stroud.

Thank you.

I and I agree with everything up here.

Um, and we've heard a lot about this area.

One concern and maybe question because this is not an area that I hear about all the time, um, mostly because it's not my area, but are the complaints mostly speed related or are they failure to yield?

I mean, are we addressing because the the complaints that I have heard, and and they may be coming more to those that represent or that live in that south end, that southeast quadrant a little bit more, but the the concerns that that have come to me have been primarily Steve uh Steve and Kim and I'm looking right at you there, um, have been speed related.

And how does this impact that aspect to it, or um what is that waterfall effect?

Because that's I you know, if if they are if they were primarily um failure to yield, then I think this is a perfect solution to it.

I am not opposed to this.

I mean, that's we need to do something there because Wasatch, we've heard about this for a long time and probably still yet a long time to come.

But how does this impact the speed?

And maybe I'm wrong.

I mean, if that I you know, I I've heard a lot about the speed.

Am I off base on that?

Do you want me to do that?

Well, I'm just I I mean, if that's if you guys have heard not about the speed, but I think I mean that's do you want me to answer that?

Please.

Yeah, so I've actually heard both.

Um it is hard to measure which I've gotten more or less complaints about just because there's no official survey or anything, but I've gotten complaints about speed, I've gotten complaints about near misses, I've gotten complaints about safety, I've gotten complaints about people not obeying the reduced speed school zone.

I've gotten complaints about wanting or not complaints, but requests for better access on both sides.

Um about the high pedestrian volume in the area, request to have more accommodations for them.

It's just been it's been all over.

So, but I really think these solutions help address all of them.

So this will this will definitely help that failure to yield and then um connectivity of pedestrians moving from one side to the other.

Do you have information on how it impacts speed?

Is that something that we'll need to continue to look at to try to uh mitigate speed issues?

And I know that you mentioned you know the 80th 85th percentile, they're 4243, um, you know, which is within the acceptable range.

Um, but they just wondering with those that are not doing 4243 and coming downhill.

Yeah, so the way to control people who are speeding excessively and have have those issues, they're not within the majority of traffic or they're not within that 85th percentile is through enforcement.

The way to um calm down traffic as a whole or an average and everybody across the board is to make geometric changes to the roadway.

So that would be your bull outs, it would be adding bike lanes, which we already have, it would be reviewing the widths uh lane widths of the roadway, which we've done that too.

Um the hawk may have a slight alteration on what those speeds look like, but it will only be in effect when that reduced speed school zone is activated, which is already you know existing, so it already has that same effect, or when uh pedestrian outside of those school hours chooses to activate the the hawk and then cross the roadway.

Um I just think with the hawk installed in there, it'll be more visible to vehicles, so they're most they're more likely to stop and yield to those pedestrians crossing the roadway than the RRFBs would be.

When you start to get into a little bit wider roadways and wider cross sections with RFBs, they are um less effective because they're typically on roadways with higher speeds, and they're less visible because they're on the sides of the roadway when you're on a larger roadway, you do expect um those major indications where you need to stop to be overhead.

Okay, so that probably still things yet to come, but this is a a good step in the right direction.

Um and then one more kind of side question.

Um, have we contacted the district at all to see you know if they have any feedback?

I can't imagine that they would be uh have you know any concerns with this, but you know, with this being one part of their safe walking route, um, and then also the accessibility for the middle high schools.

I mean, it seems like it's to me it seems like it's a great area to put it, but just wondering if their safe school walking routes, if they had them deviated in any aspect, has there been any feedback from them?

I have not reached out to them.

I wanted to get your guys' thoughts first.

Appreciate that.

Um the school on High Mesa Drive, it's a pretty direct route from where the existing crossing is, and so if they had to update their school cross cross or school safe walk routes at all, um based on the current location of the crosswalk, they would have already done that.

Um so if the recommendation and the decision to move forward was to put the hawk at a different location besides there, that's when I would reach out to the school district and give them a heads up, and we would discuss in our yearly safe walk routes meeting how that's safe walk route needed to be adjusted.

Perfect.

Thank you.

And once again, I mean, this is an amazing job.

Good work.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I'll go ahead and ask a couple of my questions.

Um, you know, I I remember getting the emails, and um thank you for coming and presenting tonight.

You know, I know that Wasatch Boulevard is one of the many roads that we have that gets a lot of um feedback and participation, and so I thought it was important to make sure that the community was also updated on the potential options.

Um questions first.

The bull bouts.

I noticed that the bull bouts are on the uh I guess west side of that intersection.

Is there a reason that that they're uh recommended to be placed there as opposed to on the east side on the downhill?

Because yeah, go ahead.

We only put them on the concept plan where the crosswalk was going to be located.

The benefits of bull bouts to pedestrians is it gets them as shortens the amount of distance that they have to cross the road on and it pulls them closer into where their starting point of that crossing is so they can see a little bit more of the oncoming traffic.

Um but it doesn't mean that we have to do the bull bouts only there.

We can add bull bouts onto both sides of the intersection.

In fact, I would actually recommend it.

Okay, because I'm I that makes that makes sense the recommendation and the uh added safety for pedestrians, you know, and uh prioritizing that.

I initially thought it was more traffic calming and like as a as a priority, and so I wondered why it was maybe not facing the downhill slope if traffic calming was the priority.

Um but that makes sense and helps me understand that recommendation.

Um the downhill is definitely an issue, and it was very uh welcomed, and uh I think a lot of people were excited about the upgrade that we did get with the I can't remember the acronym, but the flashy lights on the side.

I will say, you know, like that's also my neighborhood and driving Wasatch so much, I feel like I live in my car anymore.

But coming down that hill at certain times of day because of the because of the uh grade, I guess, and when you start from the further east coming west, you're higher, and depending on the time of day with the sun hitting, you almost don't see lower down those yellow flashing lights.

And so I do think from a practical standpoint that it makes sense to upgrade that to the overhead red flashing lights.

I do think that I don't know, just in my own experience with them and other places in the city that um they will be more visible earlier on for those uh I guess not pedestrians but um vehicles that are coming westbound down the hill there.

Uh so I do think that's a good idea a good idea.

I think the location makes sense uh to the question that council member Stroud asked.

I'm pretty sure that the uh safe walking route already includes that exact intersection.

So if there was going to be a change in where it was proposed, then you know that definitely seems like we would need to have that conversation.

Um, and I'm glad that it doesn't because uh just in thinking about the natural way that people utilize the road and cross right now because of that intersection, um, and it's kind of right at the bottom of the hill anyway.

Um, if I think it makes the most sense, uh, there are a lot of pedestrians that cross, you know, definitely school children in the summer months are are uh in the school year in the summer months.

You've got people in neighborhoods all around that are walking dogs and you know walking around, and it's it's fantastic.

I I do wish that uh Wasatch was it as Kirby because there is a lot of there are a lot of access issues, kind of like you were talking about further towards Hidden Valley Park to the Rocky Mouth Trail and some of those uh where it's it's nearly impossible to cross safely because the curvature of the road is is doesn't allow for those safe sidelines.

So um I think that was really all I had.

I would I would have agree with the recommendation that you guys have for that location and would like to see that go forward.

Um council member Sharkey has another question.

It's regarding the bull bouts coming back to that.

Um, when I first saw that potential, uh my first concern was for cyclists.

So because Wasatch gets so much bicycle traffic, and we want to encourage that, and we want to continue that, right?

We want to accommodate that.

Is there any reason to be concerned about building bulbouts?

This is on a downhill, and if a cyclist were to be coming down the hill really fast and hit one of those, it would be a horrible situation.

I realize it looks like you have striped the buffered bike lane right next to the bullbout.

Um, but as you study it and consider it and maybe consider that aspect of use too, which I think is a really really positive one on Walls Wasatch.

That was just something that stood out for me with with a measure of concern.

Yeah, I agree.

Thanks for bringing that up.

I had thought about that too, and that is something we will have to accommodate and design.

Thank you.

That and thank you for bringing that up.

That was that was a question that I had earlier, and I kind of forgot to bring up was the safety of the bicyclists in that area.

And so regarding the bull ballots, the bull bouts are potentially a future improvement should there be funding for it, and right now there's not, but we do have for the hawk, and so that's likely what you're gonna move forward with.

And if there were additional improvements, they would have to come back through some budgetary process, correct?

Okay, all right.

Thank you so much for your presentation tonight.

Yep, you're welcome.

All right, we will go ahead and close out item number four.

It is 6:33, and so we have our public comment period.

Uh let's see.

I do have two blue cards.

If there's anybody else in the room that would like to make public comment, please fill out a blue card in the back of the room, and then you can bring them up here to Mr.

Fratto, and then we will take online commenters after we've heard from the in-room um speakers.

Everybody will be given three minutes to make your remarks.

The first uh card that I have is for Steve McKinnon.

First of all, I like to say hell of you.

Okay, I'm Joe Citizen.

That's my area, and I've been I've been bugging Brittany for number of years now about this, arguing with her and everything in regards to all these studies and stuff, but we see it every day.

Okay, I live literally a hundred feet from the road, okay, even though there's a wall divide me, but I see it every day.

I walk it, I use it, I bike it, I see the kids, I see the incidences of almost life taken away, okay, or major accidents on the downhill of that slope, even when the when the crossing lights are on, okay, and cars literally screeching to a stop just to to miss hitting the cars in front of them.

It's a serious thing, okay.

And I'm very, very glad to see action on this.

I uh was hoping the hawk would have gone in before the RRB light, okay, went in the flashy light um to begin with, but now that this is going on, you know, I can share this with my neighbors, all the ones that have all been concerned.

We've talked talked about it for so long.

Um the the issue you have is the amount of traffic, especially at about five o'clock from about 4 30 to about 5 30, give or take, of the traffic coming downhill, all going into draper, okay.

And the speeds you can't hardly you have you have to wait for so long to even try to get out on the wasach, it's it's ridiculous.

And uh, and as far as the driver feedback signs, I was hoping to have one down further on the westbound, okay, along even though there's one there up just past from the pocket park, but just before Castleworry, and I understand the reason why they put it there because of Castleworry, okay, being a blind blind intersection that, but I was hoping to see a driver feedback sign a little bit further down there, especially where it changes from 35 to 40 miles an hour because the speeds are ridiculous, and I am not exaggerating.

Aaron, Brooke, you can both attest to it, and you've already spoken about it.

And all I can say is I appreciate what is uh going on, what's gonna happen on this, and uh I really appreciate all the efforts in involved with that.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Next we have Freddie Butterfield.

Do I have that right?

Yes, I have two subjects I would like to bring up tonight.

One, Mayor Zoltansky, I approached, I approached 15 other mayors in this valley to get rid of Kratom.

And I don't know if you guys followed through what Kratom is.

Well, she listened.

She got a hold of Tracy Miller, our district leader in the House of Representatives.

We went up to the House of Representatives, my son and I, we spoke there, and the movement that she made was leaps and bounds from what I could do.

I was very happy about it since my son six years ago committed suicide on Kratom.

Well, since then, a few other deaths have occurred, and eighty approximately people that are addicted to it.

My son addicted to Kratom.

He's doing um a news article with the Desert News in the Tribune next week discussing it.

I know for a fact if Mayor Zen, sorry, pronouncing her name, Dosanski.

If she gets again on the board and we take the journal, we take the Sandy paper, bring people aware of Kratom, that it's going to make a big movement again to get Spencer Cox awareness of it to get Kratom out.

And we can all think I gotta give credit to Kurt Bramble, Senator Kurt Bramble drug dealer.

He goes around to different states now trying to sell Kratom.

He's gonna resign from being the senator and go sell Kratom.

Can you imagine the cartel money that that guy's making?

You know, God bless him.

Second item.

So please talk to Mayor Zotansky.

We have Maverick gas stations, we have smoke shops that are selling Kratom over five in Sandy City.

So if you can help eliminate that, please please speak up.

Talk to the mayor, make the movement.

If the mayor and you city council says, hey, we gotta stop this, get this product out, let them run the smoke shops, let them run the maverick stations.

But let's call um Celeste Magnolet and Chuck.

And see, they are the CEOs of Maverick.

I know somebody with some intelligence and authority can call them, other than myself.

I'm just a complainer, I guess.

I've lived here 47 years in Sandy, so I think I have a right to because I've seen Sandy going like this on a roller coaster of good and bad things.

Second of all, your police department has a problem to where I went to file a complaint, and I found and I think I believe I discovered it is a conflict of interest to the WCF, seven million dollar building there, and they own a brothel on 60 200 south, 6 30 east in Murray.

I'm sorry, I know my time's up.

It is, but my time is very important because my wife and I through WCF has been harassed and lied.

I have 70 pages, 78 pages of lies and uh perjury, giving false information to police officers, evidence, but Sandy City won't do it because they're working with WCF on the grounds of um, you know, that they can't do it because they're working for Sandy, you know, with Sandy City, Mr.

Sandy City officers should not be doing security work.

And I've gone to got a grandma letter to find out how much money that they have donated to Sandy.

I'm investigating how thank you for your time today.

I don't mean to cut you off, but we do have to give everybody an equal amount of time.

I apologize for that time, but please take these matters seriously because I have nothing better to do to make Sandy City a better place.

Thank you, Mr.

Butterfield.

Next, we have Doug Wismer.

Hi everyone.

Sorry, okay.

Hello everyone, how are you doing?

Um I'm probably gonna be really quick.

Um I attended the uh community housing workshop a few weeks back, and and I just want to thank everybody here for that.

Specifically the attorney who led the discussion.

I I thought it was awesome.

It was great.

It got into the weeds a little bit.

And I feel like the right decisions will be made.

And thank you again for all of that.

So one of one of the things that came out of that meeting was I am I'm one of those cyclists who loves the bike paths and loves cycling all over Sandy.

I I I commute to the grocery store, everything I possibly can to stay out of my car.

Um that's also why I'm for the gondola, but I'm really not here to talk about the gondola.

I just want to thank Brittany because she met with me this morning, and we dove into the details of traffic.

Um I had several concerns about missing bike lanes.

Um I also understand there's you know there's limits to budgets, there's limits to things we can do.

And uh she's a cool traffic nerd, so keep her on staff.

I like nerds.

Um yeah, so um, you know, and again, she proved it again to me just now.

So thank you.

Thank you, everyone, and uh let's uh let's have more bike lanes.

Thank you.

That is the end of the in room comment cards that I have.

Um if I missed somebody and you'd like to go ahead and fill one out.

Um at this time I'll have Mr.

Frado address our online audience.

Thank you, madam chair.

Uh, if you're joining us virtually this evening via Zoom and you'd like to comment on any city business, now's the time.

Go ahead and click the raise hand button on your screen.

I'll call your name in the order in which you raised your hand, and you'll have three minutes.

Madam Chair, I don't see any hands raised.

Thank you, Mr.

Fratter.

We'll go ahead and close the general citizen comment portion for tonight's meeting and bring it back to the agenda.

Um, I do have one quick question for uh maybe Brittany.

Sorry if you could come back up here.

It is on that last item.

Um I I realize that the only thing that we didn't get was maybe a timeline of when people can maybe expect to see an updated crossing.

Uh yeah, if we choose to move forward with installing that hock crossing, we would uh work with Salt Lake County.

They install those signals for us, and it should be installed within a year.

Not sure they'll have time to do it this summer, but starting next spring, they should okay.

That's all I wanted.

Thank you so much.

All right, so that takes us into items five.

Um actually items five and six are going to be presented together as they both relate to the same topic.

Uh I think that's your presentation includes kind of both, right?

Yes.

And so item five is the amendments to Title 21 of the land development code relating to brew pubs, and item six is amendments to Title 15, Business Licensing, Chapter 2, Alcoholic Beverage Regulations Related to Brew Pubs.

And JAT was a mouthful.

Um Melissa Anderson and Leslie Casserill uh will be presenting.

Go ahead.

Yes, uh, thank you very much.

Uh good evening, counsel.

And so uh this relates to an initiative that the city council had initiated earlier this year, and it's proposing uh expanding brew pubs in Sandy City, and it would involve amendments to our city code, including Title 15, which is business licensing, as well as Title 21, land development code.

And no action is needed tonight.

This is a work session in informational.

Uh we will bring this back in two weeks for as an action item for a decision.

So in April of this year, the city council had issued a resolution, and the objectives of that are to allow brew pubs beyond just the downtown Cairns area, um, to look into that and evaluate what areas might be appropriate.

Also to look into lowering regulatory and financial barriers to entry of the market for a brew pub, uh streamlining permitting and licensing processes and aligning the city code with Utah code.

And so staff had done research on this, came back in July and presented our findings and recommendations.

At that time, the council had supported the direction that staff had presented and gave us direction to go ahead and propose code amendments and to initiate and bring that back through the adoption process.

So that is the culmination of why we're here today.

And so we're nearing the end of this this project basically.

So one of the objectives in terms of relating to our land use code is to look at areas beyond just the downtown Cairns area to allow for brew pubs.

And so in the report it identifies a number of areas in Title 21, the land development code where we're proposing to make text uh changes.

So in that includes chapter 8 permitted land uses in a number of non-residential areas, our special development zones, a section title alcoholic beverage distance requirements and definitions.

So one of the fundamental things to understand about this is for a brew pub to operate, we need two alcoholic beverage licenses from the Department of Alcoholic Beverage Services.

So one is a manufacturer brewing license, and one is a restaurant license that allows them to serve alcohol, and there's different levels of that.

But the main thing on the restaurant is that it does require at least 70% of food sales.

And so it ensures that the focus is a restaurant, it's and distinguishes it from a bar or a tavern that don't have that requirement of percentage of food sales.

So that relates to how we make changes in our code and our land use table because the manufacturing brewery license is how we address that as a land use.

So in the staff report, we included this map, which illustrates how that impacts Sandy City.

So in the red, it just ill illustrates where we might have a community location, and then you're going to have a buffer where this type of a land use, this type of alcoholic beverage related license cannot be located in that area.

So it does impact a fair amount of the city, and so we just wanted to bring that to your attention and the audience's attention.

It acts as an overlay and it we'd always be looking at that, and also the state looking at that.

Do they meet those distancing requirements before they could issue the license?

So in our land use tables, a brew pub would be enabled or allowed if a manufacturing brewery license is permitted in a zone, and we're ensuring that it's associated with a restaurant by having the caveat that well, the manufacturing brewing license may be allowed in that zone, but only if it's on the same premises as a restaurant.

So that restriction or notation is included in all those amendments.

And in terms of looking at expanding in other areas of the city beyond just our downtown Cairns district, where we might look for that as basically any area that already allows a restaurant that is allowed to have an alcoholic beverage license, then we would propose to allow a brew pub as well, because the brew pub is operating very similarly to the restaurant that are that is allowed to have a license to serve alcohol.

So it encompasses a number of commercial mixed use office industrial and a number of uh special development commercial districts as well.

And so that is in the proposal in the text amendments to the code in Title 21.

And there was also the question, well, should it be a permitted use or should it be a conditional use?

And so using the same logic we are proposing that if a restaurant is allowed to that to have a license to serve alcohol is a permitted use in that zone, then we propose that a proof pub would also be that permitted use.

But if that restaurant is a conditional use in that zone, we propose that the brew pub would be a conditional use.

So it's the same basically simple logic.

And so in the packet, we included this map that shows very specifically all of the areas, all the zones which are in green that would be eligible for uh a brew pub uh to operate if they met all other uh requirements, and so it is a narrow portion of the city, but this illustrates because once we uh finally refined exactly what zones we made this map from the last time.

So this is just a a little more refined and it just gives an illustration as opposed to just the text of where these might be located, and to um uh bring to a close my presentation before we start with the Title 15 business licensing changes.

Um I just wanted to mention that we also include changes to bring our land use code consistent with Utah code.

So that addressed like terminology to make sure our terminology is consistent with state law.

Um if they uh deleted uh, for example, a club term, uh we don't use the term club anymore, we're using a bar establishment, those type of things.

So uh we also in the SDJH Miller zone, uh, that's at approximately 9400 South State.

Um that is in the Cairns district, and yet it had been uh it didn't include the alcoholic beverage license related uses that all the other Cairns districts had, and so we addressed that by just making it consistent with the other uh zones in the Cairns district.

Um also in one of the special development districts, the mixed use zone, and that's at 7800 South 1300 east.

Um we're removing an existing nonconformity because there's a restaurant that's been operating in this area in that zone for a number of years, and they have a legal license to serve alcohol, um, but the land use does not include these these restaurants uh with a license that that are allowed to get a license, and so we address that by including that, and we're also adding for a brewery as well.

The SD MU zone has another location near the amphitheater, but we are not proposing a brewery in that location because it's uh close to the family activities by the amphitheater.

So just in that zone, it specifically articulates only in the 7800 South 1300 East location.

So on September 4th, earlier this month, we went to the planning commission and held a public hearing on this related to Title 21 land use code, not Title 15 but Title 21, because that's what's required for uh making any amendment per the state law.

The planning commission recommended a positive recommendation uh to amend the code as proposed.

They didn't have recommended changes and the like or concern uh that was raised.

So they gave a positive recommendation.

So that concludes just my section of the Title 21, and but it goes hand in hand with some items in uh Title 15.

So we just have a couple slides that uh Leslie Casserell can uh just describe what she's proposing for Title 15 business licensing.

And I just Dustin wanted to let you know how kind Melissa was to introduce some of the business licensing concepts.

Yeah?

More than one of the more than one.

So there are just six categories, generally speaking, that I changed in the business license, Title 15, Chapter 2 for the alcohol.

The first was throughout the code, there are references to the Department of Alcohol Beverage Control since this ordinance was originally well, not originally adopted, but the last time it was adopted, and they've changed their name to Department of Alcohol Beverage Services.

So that change was made throughout the ordinance.

Another change that Melissa had addressed was the term club license, is no longer used with the state.

Everything is a type of a bar establishment.

So I went through that ordinance and changed references to club to bar establishment.

Let me see, streamlining costs.

Um page 13 of the ordinance that that um draft that I um gave to you, section 15-2-12.

That whole section was redacted, and that was a reference to the bonding requirements.

There are some minor um uh references to the bonds further on in the ordinance, and I went ahead and took care of those as well.

So that's all been redacted.

Um should you choose to adopt this.

Okay, so on um page 19 was one of the the main changes that I found to comply with your request was to add the language that we would combine or streamline some of the application processing.

If a brewery is located on the same premises as a restaurant, they are able to the applicant is able to put everything onto one license application and one alcohol application rather than one for each of those types of alcohol services, and that cuts out some cost, it cuts down some paperwork for me, especially without the bonding requirements that simplifies things a lot.

Um as I was going through the ordinance that and I was going through and removing other references to bonding requirements.

I came across a couple of items housekeeping, and I hope you don't mind that I took the opportunity to do that.

There seemed to be some interchangeable concepts and and terminology for a license and an application for a license.

Those are two different things.

Application means they're trying to get one, the other one means that they got it.

So I just kind of clarified when it was an application and when it was an actual license.

Um the last thing that that I addressed in this, let me go back one more.

I'm sorry.

Was um that there's a little bit of a uh a conflict between the hours of operation that we had in our ordinances and what the state says, and basically what it comes down to is the state just says that you can serve alcohol until one o'clock.

Um we don't always have that luxury when a home, well, excuse me, when for instance a business is located within 250 feet of a residential zone, they're required to close by 10 unless they obtain a conditional use permit.

So all I did was clarify that that the more stricter the two comes into play, and so that doesn't defer automatically to the state.

And one thing that I didn't list on my memo that I did also want to mention is throughout the ordinance, and when we uh had Municode go through our ordinances, they made a lot of references to state code, and we're just going to eliminate those from our ordinances.

We can still always you know refer to the state code, but we don't need them in our ordinances right now.

So that's pretty much my presentation.

Very good.

Yeah, that completes um our presentation.

So if you have any questions, thank you, council.

Are there questions?

Go ahead, Councilmember Sharkey.

It's for Leslie.

Why strike this bond for a temporary permit?

Our temporary use permits, that's a different part of the land use code already asks for a bond.

And this was and it was basically to ensure compliance with the ordinances and to clean up the properties after the temporary use is done.

So we already have a sec a different section that requires a bond.

Okay.

So we're not striking it, it's just already referenced in another section and doesn't need to be referenced in this one.

Um you know, I kind of read this whole bonding section with a different, and maybe you can explain this part to me.

So you're striking the entire section 15-2-12 bonds.

Some of them were more for not it didn't strike me as barriers to entry, but it struck me as they were the purpose was for to cover for violations or penalties.

So bad acts, basically.

Tell me why our feeling is that we don't need to collect or hold a bond for that anymore.

Okay, there's several reasons.

Um first of all, I I've done my job for a very eon long time.

And um I have yet ever to have collected on that bond.

Um so it was a lot of paperwork, it's a lot of manual tracking.

We have over a hundred alcohol licenses in the city, and there isn't an automated database that deals with that.

We had some that were posted as shorty bonds from way back when we have some that are cash bonds.

Anyway, so maintaining those files was quite labor-intensive.

So that was the first one.

Um secondly, is that we have other mechanisms to ensure that businesses do comply with alcohol licenses, and that is through the police department with their citation process.

And lastly, the state already does collect a 10,000 dollar bond for the same purpose.

Leslie, that was so kind.

Can I convey to you how kind and thorough that Dustin is totally unmoved by this?

He is the holder of the coin.

And we just need to give him some candy.

But that was a perfect explanation because if you didn't offer it, I was gonna move on to for these bad actors.

Is there another penalty?

And the answer is yes.

Yes.

Thank you for your kindness, Leslie.

Thank you, Councilmember Stroud.

I just had more of I mean, just a curiosity question.

Um what happens when they're you know, that's 70 percent, you know, minimum of 70 percent food sales is required.

How is that unfortunate?

I mean that does a restaurant suddenly say, Oh no, we're not selling any more alcohol.

I'm just curious.

That actually comes from the state code 32B, and um they do audits and it's an annual audit.

And that and do they don't know if they do every business every time or if it's on a on a you know random choice basis, but they're the ones that take care of that audit, it's not us that have set up.

Right, and I understand I was just curious.

I mean, is that do they then just deserve it?

They just look at their taxes.

Their license and do they lose their license?

Yes, they could.

Or they or they would have to re um reclassify themselves as a tavern or uh or a bar establishment and not as a restaurant, and then they would have to go through the whole application process with planning and with business licensing.

Yeah, I was just curious.

That hasn't happened.

So I'm sure they watched that.

I'm sure they are very closely.

And in Utah, it's not very difficult to meet that 70% threshold.

Yeah, probably not.

A lot of desserts here, desserts.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I just had a quick question.

It was about something that you had said, Melissa, and I I was trying to find it, but it had to do with um it seemed like there was maybe an inconsistent like one exceptional inconsistency with where maybe restaurants are allowed, um, with where these are not proposed near like the amphitheater area.

Oh is there a in this instance would there be an inconsistency with restaurants?

The area that you were talking about that was well um the way it's proposed is that it would um only be allowed in that special development district zone, but only at the location at 7800 South 1300 um east.

Where's the other location?

It's by the amphitheaters, so it's one uh zone, it's a uh MU mixed use zone is in the special development uh chapter 19, and that particular SD zone has two locations.

Most of them are just in one, but this one actually has two locations.

So when it was edited to allow for the use, it specifically stated only applies to this 7800 South.

What is in that?

Is it like just the amphitheater?

Or what else is in that the second part of the zone?

Yeah, it's it doesn't cover a huge amount of of area.

It's uh the area and uh you know its environs.

Um and so uh there was just uh you know the council can decide however you want to go that there was concern in terms of uh family activities, there might be a uh conflict with that, and so we did not recommend um to allow it there, and so just restricted it to the Madam Chair, if I may just oh sorry.

Go right in.

Justin, go ahead.

I was just gonna say it's the SDMU zone that's right along 9400 south.

So it's it's that area that's uh west of thir 13th east.

It's limited to that and to the senior center, and that's it.

Yeah, it's the amphitheater and the senior center center.

Oh, okay, thank you.

That's that's the area right there that you're looking for.

Okay.

I was just curious if it included any of the commercial that was slightly west of that because excludes the community.

Well, I don't think it doesn't sound like it excludes the commercial, right?

Because the uh the SDMU would be the area of 78th and 13th, from what I'm hearing.

Would you like me to pull the map up?

That would be helpful.

Thank you.

Because my thought was is there a reason to specifically exclude that if the state law and some of these other areas are restricted, is there a reason to restrict it?

I was just trying to understand the logic.

So uh add it to we we specifically stated just in that Madam Chair, just so it's that uh orange section just right in the middle, I believe that's what you're talking about, Melissa.

Okay.

So the senior center is on the east.

You can see the amphitheater and then the power station.

I think if you look what's actually there, it's not likely that something's probably gonna, you know, that that's type of use is gonna locate in there.

Yeah.

Um, so it didn't make sense to probably put it there.

Okay.

If you wanted it there, that's up to the city council, but we we didn't put it there.

You have two of the centers and it's completely full.

Well, and that one's not you know, like public commercial in the same way that the other one is.

So I think that's and there's no existing restaurants there to match this two anyway.

You know, this makes sense.

I just I wanted to make sure that I had an understanding of the exact you know, location and what resided within that other zone.

So that was that's the only question that I had.

Thank you for bringing that up, Justin.

Thank you.

Does anybody else have any other questions?

Council Member Robinson.

I actually have a question similar to that.

Do you mind pulling that back up?

So I I noticed like a little nubbin on an area that's that's cut out that I thought was just a little strange because I was just uh kind of along the same lines of of the question, like why it's for it is the 78th and 13th area, so it's the um the Union Heights SD zone.

And with that being at least on the map, it's highlighted as a neighborhood activity center.

But there happens to be a very just kind of small cutout.

I I don't know if on this map it's gonna show up, but the one in the packet where it shows the allowable zones, there's a green area with just like a white little box there.

And so I was just curious to why that small area was excluded.

I think I know my answer to the question because I think what's coming into play is there's a church a little further north from that, and I believe there's a church southwest of that.

If there is, that's automatically gonna cut out.

Yeah.

And now that I started talking about that out loud, I kind of answered my own question, but I was just curious of why that little section, because again, um, I think along the same lines of what Burke was just asking, is you know why?

Because that's a that's an area that could benefit from an establishment like this.

But the only way we would have cut it out if it was from a regulation uh distancing regulation that was in place.

Other than that, if it allowed a restaurant with alcohol services, it would be included.

Well, see, that's where I guess I'm a little confused because you you can get alcohol at some of the restaurants in that area.

Where what is it the other thing?

That's where like the movie theater is, tsunamis there, the sushi, the Italian.

Yeah, the 13th East.

I think it's that yellow box that's right there.

That's not how it's red on this other map.

But on the one in the packet, it's cut out completely.

It's it's white.

I don't think it's a little bit of a little bit.

Well, that's actually the map was intended to just be a helpful visualization.

And I'm not pressing and or advocating either direction.

I was just kind of curious.

Yeah, there's a distancing requirement from a church.

Okay.

And it could be it's easier to see if you pull up our map where you have the issues on it.

We're way deep in some weeds right now.

The green and the red.

Um and that makes sense.

And and for for each request that we might have, we will do a very site-specific measurement.

I was just curious because where I think I was getting tripped up was there that if if you followed the mindset of restaurants that are currently allowed by code to serve alcohol, there are some in that area.

This little section just happened to be cut out.

And that's if we look on ours that has a red band around it.

Yeah, it makes sense.

Meaning that it has a requirement to meet for the state requirements.

And I actually appreciate that you included those requirements.

I think that is that critical here is those requirements from the state and how they would impact where these establishments possibly could go.

Yeah, we I think that's really a key point.

I think what it does is it helps individuals coming in who want to do this type of a business.

It helps them not waste their time.

Because if they can open up this information and look at it, they know exactly where they can go and where they can't go.

They don't even have to waste their time because it's not required.

I mean, we can't do anything about it because it's a state requirement.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Yeah, I wanted to make sure also it's for the public business people applying, but also for staff, is I wanted to make sure that in the notations that that distancing requirement is on the top of mine, and so let's say we have a new person coming in, working as a planner, they can see right there in the code and top of mine.

So that was the thought process because it already applied.

Um but I just want to make sure it's very explicit.

So kind of along the the idea, I have another question about like the um using the church as an example.

If a church were to, you know, vacate their building or their land and it's in that area.

Would that area then potentially become eligible should somebody else want to purchase it for a different yeah, potentially depends on on the zone.

We look at the zone and we also look at land use.

So if the zone allows it, but the land use is no longer there, the church is no longer there, or a school is no longer there, then it may not necessarily um apply, and we would just look to the distancing requirements and if the church is gone, state requirement no longer applies.

There's no church there.

So in the reverse, say a um like a brew pub establishment uh uh opens and operates in an area, and maybe a church wants to move in in a proximity that would be conflicting with state code.

Would the brew hub have like a grandfathered situation?

Yeah, because we called and actually asked the state on that to get that clarification.

That's correct.

That's absolutely correct.

And same with in any of those, like this the skills.

But that actually it doesn't that issue doesn't necessarily apply tonight, but when we look long long term of what land uses we allow, it can inhibit if we have a shopping center that's underutilized, and a certain use moves in, it can then make the rest of the shopping center, you know, that they're not allowed to do certain things.

So that's not to get into tonight, but um that issue it can be problematic for the future.

I remember the last time we talked about it, it kind of came up, and so yeah, I just wanted to ask that question specifically.

Did somebody else have anything before we move on?

Okay, I think that is it.

So we'll expect this to come back at a future meeting for consideration.

Two weeks for action for decision, and ordinance on both items.

Okay, thank you so much.

That finishes items five and six, and brings us to the consent calendar, which includes items seven, eight, and nine.

Um, those items are an appointment to the historic preservation committee and the emergency management multi-jurisdictional hazard mitigation plan, which we heard last week, and approval of the August 26th draft meeting minutes.

Madam Chair, I move we adopt tonight's consent calendar, which is items seven, eight, and nine.

I'll second.

Perfect.

We have a motion and a second.

Uh all in favor say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed?

Okay, that motion passes and brings us to our council voting item item number 10.

Uh, the city council considering extending temporary amendments to the Sandy City Council rules and procedures made March 25th, 2025.

And um Dustin Fratto is going to introduce this item for us.

Thank you, madam chair.

Uh council, I hope you all had a chance to uh reference the cover sheet that was in the packet related to this item.

You may recall that uh back in March you made some temporary amendments to our rules of procedure, adding a section on work sessions that was uh audit would automatically expire after six months.

The six month period ends, expires at the end of this month.

And so I am bringing it uh to your attention so that you can decide whether or not you'd like to let it expire or whether or not you'd like to extend that.

If you do choose to extend it, uh the resolution that that that is uh included within the packet would extend it indefinitely, just making it part of the rules and procedures at this point in time.

Um one kind of you know, whether you do it or whether you don't do it, let me try to help you have an understanding of how it impacts our rules and procedures.

So, from my perspective perspective, if you do choose to extend, then you are basically extending the expectations that you're placing on the council chair for work sessions.

If you choose to uh not extend the amendments, then you're basically removing those expectations.

And at that point, the chair doesn't have a lot to go on in terms of well, what should work sessions look like, when do I do work sessions, etc.

So a third option would be if you aren't happy with the current uh process that's put in place the temporary process, uh, but you do want some uh offense or you know, some expectations for the chair to follow.

If you have other suggestions, you could give those to me, and I'd be happy to bring back uh you know a redrafted version.

So, in conclusion, your three options are you like the process that we have in place that we've been using temporarily, you choose to adopt the resolution and extend it, you say no.

We don't want any expectations for the chair in work sessions, we're gonna let it expire.

Or the third option is we do want some expectations placed on the chair regarding work sessions.

Uh, we don't necessarily like uh the temporary amendments that have been made, but here are the expectations that we would like to adopt.

Are there any questions for me?

Are there any questions?

This is a council voting item potentially, and so it probably makes sense to take public comment quickly.

So I'll go ahead and do that and then we can get into conversation.

Uh if there is anybody in the audience that would like to make public comment on this item, please fill out a blue card and begin to bring it up front.

I don't have any, and so we'll go to online comment right now.

And if anybody would like to fill one out and bring it up, please do so.

Thank you, madam chair.

If you're joining us virtually this evening and you'd like to comment on item number 10 on tonight's agenda, go ahead and click the raise hand button on your screen now.

No raised hands, madam chair.

Thank you.

And being that nobody jumped up to fill out a blue card, I'm gonna assume that nobody has anything they'd like to add, so we'll go ahead and close out the uh citizen comment for that agenda item and bring it back.

Does anybody have any opinion?

Mr.

Robinson.

Thank you, madam chair.

I'm happy to start the conversation, even though it will impact me probably the least.

Um so I'll I'll defer to you.

I just want to kind of set that tone.

Like I'm gonna say this and probably back away and let you all hack it out.

But I feel like the the process has actually really worked.

Um, I've enjoyed the the housing workshops.

I think they've been beneficial.

We've received good feedback from our residents that have attended those those meetings.

So I like being able to provide the chair the authority to set the agenda that way.

Now, again, I acknowledge that this will not impact me after December.

So I'm ultimately gonna defer to you all as colleagues on how you will approach this, but I just wanted to throw that out there that we have had some positive feedback.

I feel like the conversation has been really great too.

Um, and and it's allowed us to hear from experts in these fields, you know.

Um, I am gonna put a plug in that I hope the council does do like a water rate one at some point in the future or some sort of I might even come back for that, Tom, just to drive you crazy.

Just to drive you nuts.

I might just come back and listen.

But like stuff like that.

I think having the chair, the giving the chair, excuse me, the ability to schedule those and really get deep into it.

I think we've seen some good results come from this housing one.

So I would hope that you would uh add this and extend it and definitely.

I like that approach, but um, you know, you guys get to make that call.

So I just want to throw my thoughts out there.

I've enjoyed it, I've learned a lot.

I think future councils would learn a lot and benefit from the process as well.

Thank you.

I'll just quickly jump in with my thoughts.

Um, overall, I I really enjoyed the process.

I think that it's worked really well for the housing workshops.

I think that there are probably other topics that would lend well to that kind of environment, and I think that it makes sense to uh to maintain the flexibility with being able to schedule those, you know, not just the chair, but if there are other um council members that have things that they'd like to discuss where that venue or or uh uh I don't know, setup uh would be more productive.

Um I see it as another tool that we can use that's different from what we do up here that um I would be interested in maintaining.

Those are my thoughts.

Anyone else?

Councilmember DeKaiser.

I'll just comment.

They haven't quite gone how I envisioned at the beginning.

Um, and I think the next housing workshop will really see kind of the dialogue and back and forth, but I do think it has gone really well.

I just appreciate what Council Robert member Robinson said about a potential water rate run.

I've um had the thought of an RDA one, um, just like asking questions, and there's like so much to possibly learn.

I think there's a lot of different aspects of the way the city functions that we have workshops on where we we all learn a lot from these, and um yeah, I I would support it.

Councilmember Houseman.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Um, I haven't I haven't sensed it being um incredibly binding in any way.

It has it's felt like it's just given um sorry you're over here all by yourself.

I'll remember a lean over.

You guys make the call.

Um you know it's it's really been up to to the chair to determine um when and how to make workshops possible.

I think they've been productive.

I like I like guardrails um that provide flexibility, and I think that's kind of how it's been operating.

I imagine if if it were to get to a place where it started to feel like it was incredibly restrictive, I would want the chair to speak up and say, hey, this policy is no longer working for me.

Um can we revisit it?

Uh I think the only thing else I would add is we've had a lot in the six years I've been on the council, we've had a lot of changes to our policy and you know, public comment time and all of that, and and um so I I think we let this roll.

I I I like it with the caveat that if it starts to feel binding and restrictive, or it starts to get used in a way that I have am alarmed by, then I'll speak up.

Anyone else?

Okay, well, um I guess to be able to move forward, we need to have a motion of some sort.

Would the recommendation be to make it a permanent part of our policy?

I mean that the the idea with our policy right now is that at any point any council member feels the policy, any of it needs to be revisited.

It's a conversation that we have kind of like we're doing now, although this one was pre-scheduled.

So uh does anybody have a motion?

Councilmember Robinson, do you have a motion maybe?

Anyone else?

Madam Chair, I'd like to make a motion.

Uh I move that we adopt resolution 25-47 C.

Second.

Great.

We have a motion and a second.

Is there any further discussion on that?

All right, thank you.

Uh, we will go ahead and go to Ms.

Edwards for a roll call vote on that.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Mr.

Robinson?

Yes.

Mr.

DeKaiser?

Yes.

Ms.

Stroud.

Yes.

Ms.

Houseman.

Yes.

Ms.

Sharkey.

Yes.

Ms.

DeSusa.

Yes.

Madam Chair, that motion carries six to zero.

Thank you very much.

And thank you for jumping in there for me.

Uh we uh have standing reports now, and we'll go ahead and go to Mr.

Fradto for agenda planning calendar review.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Uh I will just give everybody a reminder that we are canceled next Tuesday, so there's no meeting on September 23rd.

And then the only other thing I want to mention is while I do not accept bribes, uh, I want to make that clear.

I just want everybody to know my favorite dessert is pie.

And so I'm just gonna lay that out there just in just in case.

I don't take bribes.

I don't know if you're gonna ask it otherwise.

Sure.

Peace being money.

And Miss Edwards just reminded me of one thing we just heard about uh yesterday, and I just wanted to remind you verbally, but the uh grand opening for the um hockey training facility is tomorrow.

It's on your calendars.

Uh please attend if you can.

Thank you very much.

Uh council member business.

Would you like to start, Ms.

Sharkey?

Um Art Skilled meeting.

Um Bright Star is showing October 3rd through the 18th at the theater at Mount Jordan.

Um interesting report at the Art Skilled meeting from the America West Symphony.

Um their next um show is October 17th and 18th at the Good Shepherd Church.

Um they they started um kind of a risky um gamble.

I think last year, maybe it was the year before.

Um they are doing no ticket sales, but they are accepting donations instead.

And they said that both attendance has boosted and revenue has boosted.

So that was a I thought that was a risky move, but it's paid off for them.

And so uh yeah, it's just an interesting um an interesting aspect of their report.

Um I was able to attend the senior setter car show, barbecue, craft fair.

There were a couple good cars.

Yeah, Marcy, yeah, Marcy was showing her car there, so that was fun.

Um, uh we had the the council hosted some legislators Saturday night at the RSL game in the suite.

That was Representative Tracy Miller and her family that came, Representative Tierra Oxier came, Senator Lincoln Fillmore, uh Representative Clint Oakerland, and John Hiskey from Taylorsville came.

And it's one of the few games I've been to where we won.

We won.

So that's always a fun thing.

Um the general manager John Kimball joined us, and he gave us the prediction that he thinks that RSL will make it to the playoffs this year.

So he was putting himself out there on that prediction.

LPC had a meeting yesterday.

Um the state is acquiring and is is under contract to buy land for a centralized homeless services campus in north uh the northern northwest part of Salt Lake County.

Um we do know that there will, or we anticipate that there will be some changes to the homeless mitigation fund.

We don't know what there what those will be yet.

We are guessing that there will be that the um the funding because the funding will increase the costs will go up to the um non-shelter cities.

We don't know what will happen to with distributions.

Um there was some discussion, as not the first time that this has come out, and nothing happened with it last year.

Let's cross our fingers.

But a couple states have passed laws placing limits on property tax increases, and that has been discussed uh in our legislature as well.

Um I did hear about that last year, nothing happened with it.

Um hopefully that'll continue to be the case in cities can do what cities need to do.

Um but that came under discussion.

Um there was some discussion.

This was a kind of an odd one too.

I'll be surprised if this one comes to fruition.

Um there was some discussion about how would we feel about eliminating the need for primary elections.

Um they were just asking us.

There was a representative that was considering this and wanting to know what cities felt about it.

Um because we know that some cities have eliminated them successfully using ranked choice voting, and it decreased um costs for running elections significantly by half.

So I it was just a question that was posed and asked.

I don't know how since the RCV pilot ended.

I don't know how they would resolve that, but anyway, it was just a question that cost us.

They also um or that the a question they uh asked us.

Uh they also asked how we would feel about combining uh in the municipal election years, school board elections as well.

And so I think that was a way to just um sort of spread things out.

Maybe I saw it as maybe a way to increase potentially participation in municipal elections.

Um but that was another question that was asked just to give you guys kind of an idea of uh interesting stuff that was coming up from uh legislators asking us cities how we felt about it.

Um let's see detached ADUs still we feel that that's coming our way.

They're gonna send us a survey, so be on the lookout for that.

They'll want answers to that pretty quickly about detached ADUs.

Um let's see.

I think that's it for now.

Thank you, madam chair.

Thank you, Councilmember Stroud.

Thank you, madam chair.

Um, and I'm sure somebody in administration will probably talk a little bit more about this, but uh for historic committee, uh the Heritage Festival will be and um because we're not here next week, so I wanted to bring it up, but it is the following Saturday.

I think uh Ms.

Edwards has it on our calendars.

Um that'll start with uh the horse parade and then having all those festivities, you know, right down at Main Street Park.

So you know, knock on uh Tracy's door and say hello to him.

So you know, just make sure you attend that.

That's uh always fun and exciting.

Um, and you know, and I did have a question.

So Cindy, you brought up uh the homeless mitigation fund, you know, that possibly may change as we're looking at that.

Um I'm wondering where we Sandy found our money when we were cuts with our homeless mitigation fund this year.

Have we been able to resolve that Brian Kelly would like to wait till um at least mid-year before dealing with that because he believes both um departments will probably have departmental savings that will cover it.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you, Councilmember Houseman.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Um, just a couple things tonight.

I had two different opportunities to chat with members of our police department um this past week.

I I just want to share that their presence brought a true sense of calm, and I'm very very grateful for that.

I imagine their families would have preferred to have them at home this past week, bringing that calm with them into the home, but they chose to step, you know, step out into the community and bring that calm with them, and I'm very grateful.

Um if you could pass on, I appreciate the sacrifices they make every single day.

But I saw it and felt it a significant way this week.

Um I also want to thank our city team, our entire team, and the hundreds of volunteers who once again made the healing field um happen.

Does not happen without um significant number of volunteer hours as well as um city staff.

Yesterday, as I assisted with the effort of taking down the flags, um, I took the opportunity to kind of silently reflect.

I love standing among the flags, and I've spoken about why many years over the many past past many years.

But I captured some thoughts that I'd like to share this evening with those of you who are here in person and with our community as well.

This past week has reminded me why our community calls our promenade the healing field.

Healing is always needed, and today the need feels especially heavy.

I have prayed for Charlie's family, for the students who witnessed his assassination, for the counselors and the faculty who are and will continue to support them as they return to campus, and for leaders at every level who must rise above division and model civil discourse in Charlie's memory.

Charlie Kirk lived with courage.

He gave a voice to conservatives on college campuses.

He put God and family at the center of his life, and he testified of Jesus Christ without fear.

He let his light shine.

May we honor his example by shining our own light, leading with faith, civility, and conviction.

I see this example in the lives of so many in our community, and for that I'm incredibly grateful.

May we work to ignite additional light within our community.

And with all my heart, I say, God bless America.

Thank you, Miss Houseman.

Mr.

Robinson.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Um, I just want to acknowledge the uh the planning staff that's that's put a lot of work in to these tile changes that we've seen tonight, James.

So can you please communicate that back?

There's been a lot of work, uh, a lot of good analysis.

Um, and so I just wanted to express that.

I I felt like now is the right time to do that.

So if you could please communicate that back to staff, that'd be really appreciated.

I also just want to acknowledge um our public work staff uh for the the bulk waste pickup.

It's going wonderfully in my neighborhood.

Uh it's the the speed that they're working at this year.

Uh at least this this pickup is is really impressive.

They've almost completed my neighborhood, which tends to have larger piles.

So just please communicate that uh back to the to the crews that are doing that.

And then I know I know we've all heard this uh today or or over the past week, and I ultimately will defer to the mayor and administrative staff to make some some final comments.

But I do uh since I did mention uh our public works, I don't want to uh I want to mention Mike Gladbach as well and and how we received word of his recent passing.

Um a lot of us in this room, if not all of us in this room uh interacted with Mike, and I just want to to to share, you know, a quick thought that uh I always appreciated my interactions with Mike.

That is the most level-headed man I've probably ever met in my life.

And so I I know Ryan, I'm I'm sure you're probably gonna be communicating with the family.

I know we've all been invited to to some services, but um in the interim, if you can pass that along, you know, just the appreciation that I I feel like everybody in this room uh uh would would communicate as well.

But if you can just communicate that back to the family, that we really did appreciate the time we had with him and say thank you to his family for letting us borrow him uh for a lot of time too.

So I just wanted to mention that, but again, I'm sure it'll get brought up here multiple times.

But he was a fantastic man.

Uh we were all sad to hear his his passing recently.

So with that, madam chair, that's all I'm gonna bring up tonight, and thank you for the opportunity.

Thank you, Mr.

Robinson, and thank you for expressing those sentiments.

I might wholeheartedly agree.

Um, before we go to the mayor's report, I I wanted to quickly add um a thank you to our council staff.

I feel like you guys don't get the thanks that you deserve as often as you deserve them, because every council meeting is kind of an amazing feat, in my opinion, and uh making sure that everything's pulled together, and especially you know, tonight when we have these special events.

Uh, you know, Chris, your ability to pull this together and make it so special for all of those involved is really appreciated.

I was really happy that Tracy would recognize you during the meeting, so thank you for doing that.

And you know, the the work that you both everybody does, and Liz and Chris do with our youth council every week and throughout the entire summer.

So thank you very much.

Unfortunately, next weekend, I or this coming weekend, I will be out of town with a high schooler on the mountain bike team.

We will be in Penguin, hoping that the third race of the year he gets to race because the last two have been rained out.

So unfortunately, I'll be missing some of the heritage festival festivities.

Um, but hope that the weather is better for everyone and that you all have a great weekend.

Um now for the mayor's report.

Thank you.

Uh first some housekeeping.

Uh you mentioned the Heritage Festival and Horse Parade that begins on Saturday, September 27th.

The horse parade is at 10 a.m.

and it runs uh the festivities run through 2 p.m.

So please mark that on your calendar.

It's a great way to celebrate historic Sandy, the rich history and architecture and community that is unique to Historic Sandy.

So if you have never visited Heritage Festival is a great time to come out.

We have so many local groups and organizations, live music, great food, bounce house, games for the kids, and just a lot of celebrating Sandy's history.

Uh the next save the date is uh Saturday, October 11th, is going to be the dedication for the new Fire Station 31.

That's a long-awaited date, and I'm sure we're going to have a lot of public interest.

So please, council members, put it on your schedule and anyone within range of my voice who don't want to miss it.

There will be a pancake breakfast from 8 a.m.

to 10 a.m.

And then the ribbon cutting and open house will be from 10:30 to 2 o'clock.

So excuse me, 10:30 to 12.

So please um be sure to mark that date.

That's a celebration for all of us in Sandy, and also uh recognition for our first responders and uh thanks to the to the voters of Sandy who overwhelmingly supported the fire station general obligation bond to make that possible.

Utah Mammoth have their grand opening for the training facility tomorrow for uh it and I want to take this time to recognize the planning staff, the development review staff, the building inspectors, uh business licensing and permitting there's uh a symphony of city support to make that happen in record time.

It is a landmark facility that it really um is the gateway gateway feature of 1006 South at Southtown Mall.

It's going to be a community uh favorite for ICE time and supporting the team.

We're so fortunate to have it and so excited, but uh just there's so much behind the scenes work, and as we go into tomorrow's festivities, the celebration, I want to recognize James Sorensen, Casey Dunleavy, Shane Pace, Martin Jensen.

That's uh so much activity and staff support that made that possible.

I'm sure there's others that I'm forgetting.

Please forgive me.

We'll celebrate tomorrow.

Uh now some remembrances.

Mike Gladbach uh passed after um about a just a year of after retiring as our public works director.

He was our public works director for 21 years in Sandy.

He served 20 years in the Army and was always known as someone with military precision, military readiness, willing to take on any challenge and tackle it head on.

Often referred to his snowplow coordination as his troop movements.

And what's really stands out about his memory is how loyal he was to the women and men of public works department who served him.

So that is a big loss for his family.

Our course our thoughts and prayers are with his family, and also to all of those who served with him and all of those who served.

He served in Sandy.

So thank you so much, Mike Gladbok, for your distinguished service.

We're sure gonna miss you.

And the healing fields, it's just such a spectacular display, a poignant display, and uh needed display.

Who knew that when the flags were going up that we would need the healing fields more than ever this week?

Uh the so many people that came through the grounds and uh for for so many different reasons, and all you had to do is stand out among the flags and strike up a conversation to see the people that came from not only all over Sandy but all over the region and all over the country.

And an interesting uh story was published on our city page yesterday, was the story of Officer Bennett, who was inspired to become a law enforcement officer and since joined the Sandy PD from the events of 9-11, and his daughter's class from Eagle Mountain was visiting.

There are a lot of school groups, a lot of school buses on the promenade this year, more than I've seen in the past.

And uh anyway, he wanted to be present to welcome his daughter's group and to greet them, and then we well fortuitously we learned of his experience that was inspiration for his whole career.

So thank you to Officer Bennett, our Sandy Police Department, our Sandy firefighters, all our first responders, all emergency responders, uh frontline workers who help in emergencies and crises.

And as we uh close this year's healing field season, I do have a few remarks I'd like to share and put into the record.

So this year's healing field display is now put to rest with the help of remarkable volunteers and city staff, and we lay the flags for another year until they are unveiled when we once again next year will be the 25th anniversary of 9-11, and we are already planning a very special celebration in Sandy and special remembrances to honor the lives of those we lost on September 11th, as well as the Utah military members, first responders, and canine officers lost in the service to their country since.

And we reflect today on what that memory asks of us.

The flags we fly each year represent sacrifice, unity, and the unbreakable spirit of a people who, in the face of unimaginable tragedy, came together as one America.

Our community is carrying its own pain right now in the aftermath of violence that shook us last week with the killing of Charlie Kirk.

We grieve for his family and loved ones, we worry and search for answers.

It is in these moments of sorrow and uncertainty that the healing field speaks most clearly.

We are stronger together than divided.

After 9-11, Americans set aside differences to comfort one another, to rebuild and recommit to our shared values of liberty, compassion, and resilience, and that spirit is not just a reference for the history books that is alive within each of us today.

When we choose how to respond to intense rhetoric and misinformation that's designed to anger or trigger visceral reactions.

Here in Sandy, we are called to rise above that division that too often clouds our politics.

Let us all remember to work to the highest values of our city.

Kindness, fairness, respect, and service.

We saw an exact wonderful examples of it tonight by our honorees.

Healing begins at home with neighbors extending hands in service, and indeed kindness.

If we can unite in grief, we can unite in purpose.

So let us be the ones to take the first step on this solemn anniversary.

So that Sandy stands forever as a place of hope, healing, and unity.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Mr.

Pace CAO report.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Just two things.

I sent you the obituary for Mike Lagbach just now, my text.

Thank you for signing the sympathy card.

We'll make sure that his family gets that from you as elected officials.

This month is emergency preparedness month.

Tomorrow night is an open house here at the city hall.

Thank you, Mr.

Pace.

Does anybody have a motion for adjournment?

So moved.

Second.

Great.

We have a motion and a second.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed?

Good night.