All right, welcome everybody.

It is 5 15 on November 18th.

Welcome to our city council meeting this evening.

We will go ahead and begin the meeting with uh a prayer and the pledge.

Do I have any volunteers for the prayer tonight?

Mr.

Pace.

Our dear Father in Heaven, we're grateful for the opportunity to gather tonight as a community.

We're grateful for our government.

We're grateful for the opportunity to choose our elected leaders.

We're thankful, Father, for these elected leaders who have uh chosen to serve this community.

We pray, Father, that thou wilt be with them that as they make decisions that those decisions will be the best decisions for our community.

We're grateful to live in this community and to enjoy the many rich blessings we have here, and we say this in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

Thank you.

If you have everybody will rise and retrieve the Pledge of Allegiance along with me.

I pledge allegiance to the five of the United States of America and Republic for which you will go ahead and take a moment for introductions.

We'll begin over here with our executive council director.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

My name is Dustin Frattle.

I'm with the City Council Office.

There are two other council staff members in the back of the room, Justin Sorensen and Liz Terriel.

Hi, I'm Titanium Tracy.

I'm counsel for the council.

Chris Edwards with the council office.

Zach Robinson, District Three.

Ryan at Meekham, District 1.

Brooke D'Souza at large.

Alison Stroud, District 2.

Aaron DeKaiser at large.

Cindy Sharkey at large.

Hi, I'm Mayor Monica Zoltansky.

I'm Shane Pace, City Administrator.

Lynn Pace, City Attorney.

All right.

Thank you, everyone.

Before we jump into the agenda, I just want to give a quick commentary on the citizen comment period.

So per policy, our council policy, the citizen comment period will not begin before 6 p.m.

And so at a time at 6 p.m.

shortly thereafter when there's an appropriate break in the agenda, we'll go ahead and come back to that.

There are blue cards in the back of the room on the table back there.

If anybody is interested in making public comment, please feel free to fill one out and then you can bring it up here to our council executive director, and they'll come to me and I will call them in the order that I receive them.

All of those items have an opportunity for the public to speak to them.

So if you want to speak to an agenda item specifically under the public hearing or voting items, please note that on your card.

Otherwise, I will call all of the comments during the general citizen comment period.

So we're gonna go ahead then and go get into our item number one, which is a public hearing.

Okay, thank you, Council Chair.

Um just as a recap, and for those that may have not been listening in last week, um this is uh year-end process for our fiscal uh fiscal year end, which ends June 30th.

Um essentially what we're doing tonight is carrying over projects that were not completed at the time, or maybe um are midway through the process.

Uh, and so we're carrying those projects over.

Some some of those may have been finished, and there may be some excess money, and so we reallocate or recommend reallocation of those funds.

Um there's if there's savings in departments, we're making some recommendations of how to use those savings in the areas of ways to make the city more efficient in software, technology, fleet, equipment, those types of one-time items.

Um tonight uh I wasn't planning to go into a lot of detail other than uh it is a public hearing tonight that's been noticed, and so we'd like to take public comment.

I did want to highlight something that I failed to bring up last week, and that is in our special purpose funds.

Um there's an amount allocated for development improvements, and that is from uh in the the legislature this past session, there was an agreement for some extra transient rooms tax revenue to come pass through the city for the stadium project.

Um so that has been appropriated here.

There will be a forthcoming to you as a council agreements, interlocal agreements between the state and the city, and um other agreements as necessary for development, and those will be coming for your approval in the future.

So this was to preempt that and to provide a mechanism for the funding of the appropriation.

Um but if that changes, then we can change this amount if the money doesn't come through, then it won't get allocated.

So any questions on any of the presentation from last week that has come up.

I'm happy to address those now, or we can take public comment.

I was gonna say if if there are any questions or even nothing right now, then we'll go ahead and get into the public hearing portion, then we can discuss when we bring it back.

Can you turn my mic down just a little bit more?

Thank you.

All right, so opening up the public comment period for this particular agenda item agenda item.

Um, I don't have any blue cards presently.

If you are interested in speaking on this item particularly specifically, please fill out a card and bring it up.

Um, as we have none right now, Dustin, I'll turn it over to you to address the online participants.

Of course, thank you, madam chair.

Uh, if you're joining us uh virtually and you'd like to comment on uh this evening's uh public hearing item number one.

Uh go ahead and click the raise hand button on your screen now, and I'll call your name in the order in which you raised your hand, and you'll have three minutes madam chair.

I am not seeing any hands raised, and we'll just see if any of these folks filling out cards right now are interested in commenting on item number one.

No, I think we're good to close the public hearing, Madam Chair.

Okay, thank you.

We will go ahead and close that then for this item and bring it back to the council for any discussion.

Are there any um potential amendments?

Council member Robinson.

Uh I'm actually ready with the motion, Madam Chair.

I don't know if anybody has any amendments to bring up, but if not, I was prepared to make a motion.

Go ahead.

So we're doing all three of these individually, right?

Just want confirmation on that.

Um however you'd like to.

We do we have four of them.

There's the fee schedule amendment.

Uh well, actually, you're right, three.

So there's 2550 C governmental funds.

4950 and 51.

Yeah, exactly.

So I can make a motion for all three.

That's okay with me.

I'm I would defer to Dustin.

I would say you can do that if you would like to.

Probably cleaner to do them one at a time, but we can do it.

We can do it all.

We could do one at a time with a uh uh voice vote.

No, it's fine.

I'll I'll stem individually.

So madam chair, I move we adopt uh resolution 25-49 C.

Second have a motion and a second.

Is there any discussion on that motion?

All right.

Uh seeing none, then we'll go ahead and bring it back for uh roll call vote.

Thank you, madam chair.

Mr.

Robinson, yes, Mr.

Meekham, yes, Ms.

T'Souza, yes, Mr.

DeKaiser.

Yes, Ms.

Stroud, yes.

Uh Ms.

Sharkey.

Yes, Madam Chair.

That motion carried six to zero.

Thank you, Mr.

Robinson.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I move we adopt resolution 25-50 C second.

Thank you.

Motion and a second again.

Is there any discussion on that motion?

All right, seeing none, I will go ahead and go back to you, Ms.

Edwards for a roll call vote.

Mr.

Robinson, yes.

Mr.

Mecom?

Yes.

Ms.

Tesusa, yes.

Mr.

DeKaiser.

Yes.

Ms.

Stroud, yes.

Ms.

Sharkey.

Yes.

Madam Chair.

That motion carried six to zero.

Thank you, Ms.

Edwards.

Mr.

Robinson.

We got one more.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I move that we adopt resolution 25-51 C.

Second.

Thank you again.

Motion and a second.

Is there any discussion on this motion?

Okay, Ms.

Edwards, another roll call vote, please.

Mr.

Robinson.

Yes.

Mr.

Meekham.

Yes.

Ms.

DeSusa.

Yes.

Mr.

DeKaiser.

Yes.

Ms.

Stroud.

Yes.

Ms.

Sharkey.

Yes.

Madam Chair, that motion carried six to zero.

Thank you, Miss Edwards.

That is the end of the resolutions that we have.

Yeah.

I'm ready to keep going.

If you want me to.

Well, I'm I'm just reading through them.

You guys had them all organized.

There were three or four.

Okay.

Okay.

Thank you.

That concludes agenda item number one and takes us to item number two, uh, which is a recess of the city council meeting and a convention of the Sandy City Redevelopment Agency.

So moved.

Second.

Great.

I'm gonna go with a voice vote then.

Um all in favor say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed?

All right, and we are now meeting as the Sandy City Redevelopment Agency, and I will turn it over to Casey Dunlady for this presentation.

Thanks, madam chair.

I believe uh Brian went over this and all the carryover budgets last week.

So unless you have any questions, um I would just uh entertain a motion on resolution 25-04.

And madam chair, this is a public hearing item as well, so we will need to uh open up public hearing uh for this particular item on the RDA agenda.

Perfect.

We will go ahead and do that then first and then bring it back for any council questions discussion motion.

Uh if there is anybody in chambers that would like to make comment on this particular item, please um let me know.

I don't have anything right now, so we'll go ahead and and see if online audience would like to.

Of course, thank you, madam chair.

Uh, if you're joining us virtually and you would like to comment on uh item number two on the city council agenda, which is the RDA budget carryover, uh go ahead and click the raise hand button on your screen.

I'll call your name in the order in which you raised your hand and you'll have three minutes.

No hands raised, madam chair.

Thank you, Mr.

Fratto.

Um, and I don't have any blue cards, and uh I will go ahead then and close the public comment portion for this public hearing and bring it back to the council.

Councilmember Robinson.

Thank you, madam chair.

Um Brian, can you give me like a 30-second overview for some reason?

I I don't recall this being presented.

I I'm just looking for super high level.

I apologize.

This is more or less for me.

Sorry, everybody.

Bear with me here.

Yeah, we just have each of the RDA areas um like civic centers, north, south.

We're just carrying over instead of having things drop to fund balance.

We're just carrying over their different project line items so they can continue.

May I?

And these are just uh as Brian stated.

These are the only project areas that actually click administration that help with our budget, and that's why that's why they're the only ones listed on the carryover.

I totally apologize.

I I just for some reason my brain was not recollecting this part of the conversation.

So thank you.

That's all I had.

No problem at all.

Um, is there any other discussion or questions?

All right, I am ready for a motion.

Um council member meekham.

I move that we adopt resolution R D 25-04.

Second.

All right, thank you.

We have a motion and a second.

Uh Councilmember De Keyser.

Uh is there any discussion on that motion?

All right, Miss Edwards, we're ready for you.

Oh sorry.

I would be happy if Ms.

Edwards.

Board member and so good.

Uh board member meekham.

Yes.

Board member de Keyser.

Yes.

Board Member Sharkey.

Yes.

Board of Member Stroud?

Yes.

Madam Chair.

And then board member Robinson.

Yes.

And that was a yes.

Sorry, I was stuck in my head for a second.

I didn't I kind of yeah, but you probably wanted the yes on the record.

I didn't hear your answer, so like I promised the sound was working over here, but look at it.

Thank you for that.

We just have uh approval of minutes on the the next agenda item for July 29, 2025.

Board member meekham.

Move that we adopt the minutes.

Second.

Is there any discussion on that?

All right, Casey.

I think you can do a four in favor a voice vote, yeah.

All right, uh, all in favor say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed?

I would say that's unapproved.

Thank you.

Thanks.

All right, well, that concludes item number two.

So we need to uh adjourn the RDA meeting and bring it back to the city council.

So moved.

Second.

Thank you.

Motion and a second.

All in favor, say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed.

All right.

We are on to item number three.

Uh it is a council voting item, community development department requesting a city council action regarding the Creek Road rezone application, proposing that one and a half acres be rezoned from the R140 zone to the R115A zone.

And Jake Warner, the long range planning manager, presented as last week.

Go ahead and come up as an information item.

And I just want to turn it over to you if there's anything additional that you'd like to add or a quick summary before we get into it.

Yeah, so this application was submitted by Joe Goot, uh, was presented to the council as an information item last week.

Just one point of uh clarification and one update.

Um there was some discussion about attaching an existing accessory structure to the house in an effort for by both the applicant and I think some of the council members to look for alternatives here.

That would only be an option if the rezon were to be approved, the existing accessory dwelling unit would not meet the setbacks in order to attach it to the house under the R 140 zone under the existing zone.

And then uh the update uh the applicant provided a letter from the neighbor that was forwarded to the council.

I believe that was this morning.

So uh with that, that's all that staff has at this point.

Thank you.

If there are um any questions for either Jake or the applicant from the council on this item.

Okay.

See, since we have none, I am willing to entertain a motion if there is one.

Oh, excuse me, public comment.

We'll go ahead and open up public comment for this if there is anybody in chambers that would like to make comment.

I am looking through cards and it looks like they are for the general citizen comment period.

And so, Dustin, again, if you wouldn't mind addressing the I'm sorry, go ahead.

And ma'am, if you wouldn't mind filling out a blue card once you're done with your comment.

Sorry.

And you're finished with your comment.

Would you mind filling out one of those blue cards in the back and just you can make your comment first?

Just fill it out and give it to me after.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Good evening.

My name is Pan O'Goot, and my address is 2140 East Creek Road.

We purchased our land from Milton Marie Mildred in 1993 and moved into our home in 1996.

We were part of the county, and the property was zoned with an A designation.

When we were annexed into Sandy City, we were unaware that the zoning had been changed.

We were never informed of it at the time of annexation.

Because of the zoning change when we were annexed into Sandy, we are in violation of certain building codes.

In good faith, my husband approached the city and asked what could be done to remedy the situation.

Some of the options presented to us were as follows.

Apply for an R115A zoning.

This is consistent with the zoning given to our neighbor Jay Chamberlain on Rossett Green.

Move the tough shed insana to attach to our home.

And third, tie the roof line of the ADU that was built for my father-in-law to our main house.

On a personal note, I would like to address the very frequent calls made by Sandy, uh Susan and Dave Updike, who are here today to quote compliance.

Certainly they have the right to do so.

And I have the right to defend my home and family.

Before our meeting with the planning commission in October, Susan and Dave Updike were in the hallway.

She asked us a few questions and made some comments.

I have since changed my mind.

A few of her comments and questions.

Why do we have so many visitors?

Why were we operating so in our back in our backyard during the day?

Why was there a ladder on our ADU?

With all due respect, why is this any of our business?

Their complaint about cars parked on Creek Road.

It is difficult to see eastbound traffic when we are pulling out of our driveway.

We have the same problem.

I can unequivocally say they are not our cars.

We have ample parking on our property.

As far as the garbage cans being left out too long, in the 30 years we have lived at our home, it might have happened five times.

If we went out of town on the day of pickup, we would have had a friend or someone from my office take them up the driveway later.

Please allow me to tell you a little about myself.

I'm an Indian by birth and very proud of my culture and heritage.

I'm a U.S.

citizen by nationality and a U Tongue by choice.

Our children were born and raised in Utah.

We love it here.

It is our home.

We choose to live together with our kids, their partners, and our grandkids.

I have a large family in India and elsewhere.

My family members, when they come from India, they stay for an extended period of time.

At the council meeting last Tuesday, November 11th, what I found very disturbing is that we were questioned if this is our primary residence.

I don't believe any of you know us here personally.

It does beg the question, however, who is making these assumptions.

We pay our taxes in Utah, we have for over 30 years.

It is absurd for somebody to make this accusation.

Almost done.

Housing and child care costs are astronomical and have far outpaced inflation.

We have ample property for us to live together.

I recognize that we have made mistakes.

We are committed to working with the city to resolve compliance issues.

Lastly, I want to briefly share context about our longstanding approach to being good neighbors.

Almost 25 years ago, we had discussions with Jay Chamberlain, the developer of Rossett Green.

Unfortunately, Jay passed away very recently.

His engineers at Santec Engineering drew up plans to incorporate some of our property into his development.

Their plans that they drew up, Santec Engineering, represented 2,047 more square feet than what Jay and I had personally agreed to in writing.

I have those documents here from 25 years ago, should you want to see them.

The deal ultimately fell through because I would not agree to the extra 2,047 square feet.

The fence built by Jay along Rossett Green appears to encroach on our property by several feet, as he required a wider road for his development.

I have copies of all the plans with me here today.

It is now water under the bridge.

Despite having every right to contest this, we chose not to escalate the issue because we value peace and cooperation.

We had an amicable meeting with Jay earlier this summer at Rossett Green.

Our neighbor to our rest, who borders us far more closely, has provided a written statement confirming his report, his support for our request for free zoning.

I mentioned this not to seek special treatment, but to illustrate that property matters often involve technicalities and practicalities on all sides.

When a situation presents no meaningful harm to anyone, there is often room to focus on solutions rather than obstacles.

We believe this is one of those situations.

To conclude, I respectfully ask for your willingness to work with us and your support on this matter.

We are committed to being responsible members of our community.

Thank you for your time.

Thank you, Mrs.

Gooten.

I apologize, I should have offered you an opportunity to speak as the applicant prior to going to public comment, so thank you for coming up and sharing your remarks.

Is there anybody else in the audience that would like to make public comment on this issue?

I didn't see any online at this moment, but we'll go ahead and ask once more.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

If you're joining us virtually and you'd like to uh comment on item number three on this evening's agenda, go ahead and click the raise hand button on your screen now, and I'll call your name in the order in which you raised your hand, and you'll have three minutes.

No raise hands, madam chair.

All right, thank you, Mr.

Praddo.

Councilmember Robinson.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Uh, I'm prepared with the motion if you are.

Yes, please.

I move that we adopt ordinance 25-26 as titled in tonight's agenda.

Tonight's me.

Second.

Thank you.

I have a motion and a second.

Is there any discussion on that motion?

Council Member Sharkey.

I'd like to ask a couple questions of Jake if that's okay, Madam Chair, of course.

So Jake, can we dial back to the origin of all of this?

So it looks like in the county, this property was zoned A2.

It was split zoned in the county.

Okay.

Um, I believe associated with the uh potential development that uh was referenced by the applicant.

Um the uh rear portion of the property was zoned R115.

Okay.

So why did we make the decision to bring it over R 140, right?

Yeah, R140.

Why since our effort is always to bring it over in this in as close as we can to the zoning in the county?

What was the what was the logic that we were using to bring it in as R 140?

So I wasn't directly involved in that decision, but it's my understanding that it was due to the use of the property and the size of the property.

Just real quick A2 in the county when they have that.

That was the preferable lot size, and that does require an acre law.

So we matched it to what was the largest part of the property.

That's the best you can do sometimes when you're bringing it over when you have a zone from the county.

Yeah, yeah.

So I just want to get clear on something that we've been discussing, which is that um neither leaving it at R140 or rezoning to R115.

Um, neither one resolves the problems that exist today.

They keep the door open for potential solutions.

I think you need to explain that a little bit.

So without the the rezone would be the first step in resolving the issue.

Um there would need to be a conditional use permit, maybe some additional construction, um, a building permit, retroactive active building permit.

Um, so there are still some steps that would need to happen, but none of those are on the table unless the rezone is approved.

So under the current I shouldn't say they're not on the table, but there is not a pathway to completely resolve the existing situation in either event, the current zoning or can you be specific about under the current R140?

What conditions exist today that would not that are not compliant?

The um the number of accessory structures, the total total square footage of accessory structures are the main issues associated with zoning.

Again, there was some work done uh that would have that would need a building permit.

Um but as far as zoning, it's the number of structures and and the total square footage.

Now there's as I mentioned, there's been some discussion about attaching one of the structures to the home and making it part of the primary dwelling.

That structure is too close to the property under the R140 zoning in order for that to be an option if Mr.

Goot does not get the R115 zoning.

Um that's originally he requested the R140A and he amended his application uh once he realized that impact.

Um he amended his application to R115 because the R115 setbacks would accommodate that potential.

So R115A gets us closer to compliance but doesn't achieve it.

What are we still?

What have we improved and what are we still missing in an R115A rezone?

So the the R115A, the A gives him compliance as far as the number of accessory structures.

Um it also gives him the potential through a conditional use permit to request an increase in the total allowed square footage of the accessory structures, uh, which is not an option without the A designation.

So the A designation provides the pathway along those lines.

The R115 zoning district gives him the setbacks he would need.

Well, let me back up.

I'm not sure that even with the additional total square footage allowed through a conditional use permit that he would be able to bring all of the structures into compliance.

That's why there's been discussion about attaching one of the structures to the house.

But that structure is too close to the property under the R140 zone.

Lots of complications here.

Does R115A does it allow him to expand beyond what exists right now?

Can he build more ex accessory structures and can he enlarge the accessory structures that already exist?

So it um it's hard to answer that based on the hypotheticals that may be out there, but um it will be difficult for him to bring it into compliance, but there is a pathway if he gets the rezone.

Um it would be even more difficult to then legally add more accessory structures to the property or expand any of the accessory structures.

Okay, thank you.

Councilmember de Kaiser.

What are the setback differences in the zones?

So the side setback is the issue in the R140 zone, it's 15 feet.

In the R115 zone, it's 10 feet.

So five feet difference.

Yes.

Um, my biggest concern is as I mentioned last time, like this seems like an odd fix, but like, okay, best intentions from the applicant.

What if 10 years down the road someone moves in with animals?

I just want to be clear on what's allowed because in the planning commission meeting we talked about it per 10,000 square feet, I think is where the discussion went, and it didn't evolve from that.

So this entire parcel, what animal rights would be allowed with this new zone.

I don't recall the total points uh point system off the top of my head.

I may need to call for a assist on that.

The point system on farm animals?

Yes, 10,000 as that.

I think it's one large animal for every 10,000 square feet or two medium.

Yeah.

But what you have to have to start even to have a large animal in the city, you have to have 15,000 square feet and a designated A.

So if you have that, you can have one large, that's a cow, a horse, you can have one large farm animal, and then the rest fall under the household pets.

So then it moves to 20,000 square feet.

You can have two large farm animals if you have the A, but you have to have a 15 at least with an A designation to even start with a large animal.

So this parcel could accommodate three or four large animals?

It's an acre and a half, so yeah, it could accommodate five or six.

Yeah.

Okay.

Um, so last question is there any city precedent for something like this?

For what part of it?

For uh a parcel that's out of compliance for whatever reasons where we decide to just change the zoning to bring them into compliance.

Yeah, let me look at that real quick because there's a lot of reasons people bring rezonings, but on this particular one, I think Jake has done a great job in in explaining that one way or the other, if he comes in or you allow the zoning change, he still has some issues.

He has to work out with staff.

If you don't allow it, he still has some issues.

He's gonna have to work out with staff.

So staff can handle those issues and we can work those out with him and bring him into compliance.

So as a council, what I would do is well, I'll phrase that differently.

Uh respectively give you my opinion that uh I would probably look at this as a zone change and consider are you okay with an R115 law?

Because that's the key.

I mean, are you okay with that in the future?

The issues with the the structures, and therefore are gonna have to be worked out whether you give it to him or not.

And so I would just feel comfortable one way or the other that you're okay with an R115 moving forward, that someday someone could use that as an R115.

Yeah, because that's the main issue.

That someday in the future, because we've received emails from adjacent residents saying I'm fine with it, but are you okay with 10 years down the line five large farm animals being on your property?

Well, that would be if they had an A designation, you would only get one per lot.

Um, because it would have to have an A designation, and and those lots, if they do develop that way, then they would get one farm animal, basically one large one.

To clarify, are you talking about the property as a whole, or if it yeah, we could have five or six, yeah.

Yeah, so I think that's the question for the council is what are we willing to commit to for the future?

But thank you, madam chair.

Thank you, Councilmember Sharky.

I'm gonna continue on this line of questioning.

So if it's non-compliant either way, let's go back to I think this was a question I asked last week, but let's get it clarified again.

Um the original ADU would have been built in the county, and the two of the accessory structures were permit permitted in the county.

So we annexed it in and therefore essentially grandfathered the one ADU and the two that had been permitted.

So we're not talking about a scenario where any where he has to tear down those structures because there is a grandfathering that took effect.

So for me, it's a matter of, and I appreciate the questions being asked.

What's coming next that we're approving or agreeing to?

Because I don't want to, I don't want anyone thinking that being out of compliance means he has to tear down structures, or does he?

Might there be a condition under which he's built additional ones that might um so what's in question is in addition to one of the to the original ADU, uh a shed and then the sauna building.

Those are the three structures, those are the three two structures in addition that have occurred since the annexation, and those were not approved in the county nor Sandy City.

And are non-compliant in with the current zoning?

Yes, but would be compliant with the would be compliant with a rezone a building permit, a conditional use permit.

All right, thank you.

Thank you, Councilmember Robinson.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I I appreciate this conversation, and I actually understand it to a point.

Um so as the maker of the motion, I plan to support it, and I don't know where that's gonna go.

It's gonna be straight up.

We're about to see here in the next few minutes.

Um it does sound like, and here's where my comfort level is coming in.

Is it does sound like this one while unique?

I so I cannot recall a zone change that's been this complicated.

I I can absolutely recall zone changes that have been and applicants that have come with very emotional and very charged applications, but I can't think of one that's been this odd.

I mean, it's it's the last week I was mentioning to Ryan, like this one just feels different for some reason.

I I can't put my finger on it.

I think it's the complexity.

So I mentioned that to say, like, I do plan to support the motion, and I do I do understand and my comfort level is high, that the remaining pieces of the process will work out the solutions that need to be worked out for this specific application.

Um I I I had the same question about has this ever happened in the city before is there a precedent before I had the exact same question, but um I I just I for this one I just feel like to keep it uh clean would be best case forward is to approve it to the R115A.

I understand my colleagues uh um concerns for the future, but if I understand correctly, there's still a process to address even future issues, like if if another, let's say 20 years from now, uh all the app all the neighbors in the area want to come and zone everything differently, like there's still process for all of that stuff.

So I feel most comfortable moving forward and letting you guys take it and letting letting uh staff take it, let the process take it to work out some of these issues.

I understand the the concern 10 years from now, I totally get that.

Uh but we're not 10 years from now.

Unfortunately, we're right now, we're trying to figure out a path forward.

So that's why I would just encourage us to approve uh approve the zone change and move forward and let the process work itself out.

So those are my comments.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Councilmember.

I have a couple of questions too.

So presently the zoning is R140.

That is not an animal designated, it's not a wire 140A, right?

So there's no animal rights on the land as it is right now, correct?

Correct.

And remind me, so if we're going to the R 140 R115A, um, I think Councilmember DeKaiser kind of asked it and you responded, but how many lots does this change it to?

It's hard to say.

Um he could do something similar to what was done on Rossett Green, potentially.

Um but right now you're not changing it to any lots.

You have to have to be subdivided and go through a process.

All you're doing now is zoning up.

I I okay, thank you.

That that helps clarify.

So it'd be one lot R115, but with that, there could be a reasonable subdivide request in the future to subdivide correct.

Okay.

And that's the difference is usually that is the intent, is a uh pending subdivision.

And in those cases, we do bring a concept plan that shows what their intent is.

Um, in this case, that's not his intent currently.

Okay, and then the sauna structure.

And is the issue the structure itself, or because it sounded like there was uh uh maybe an enclosing building or a roof that that covered it, or is that the issue, or is the sauna like a something that you'd purchase already?

It's my understanding that that was a a sauna that was a was purchased a free standing sauna and um to protect it from the elements uh structure was built around it.

Okay, um right.

That's I guess what I have right now.

Any other questions before we go to the motion on the table or discussion?

All right, uh, we'll go ahead and vote that out.

Thank you, madam chair.

Miss go ahead and come up to the microphone, please.

Everybody's okay with the applicant.

I don't need to keep it from voting.

I can't tell what's gonna happen 10, 20 years down the line, but I've lived there 30 some years.

I've lived there 30 some years, and I can't tell what's gonna happen in 10, 20 years from now.

Who knows?

But I've designed the property for our family, and my house sits pretty much right in the middle of it.

My intent, and I'm sure it's gonna I can't even imagine the day when the land would be broken up because the house sits right in the middle.

It can't be.

So I don't see it ever turning into like Rossett Green.

Uh I bought it from the guy who owned Rossett Green originally, Milt Eldridge, who sold it to Jay Chamberlain.

My intent for the property is just it's more like a piece of uh an estate for my family, my kids, my grandkids, and my relatives from when they visited us to come and stay.

So I can't see that.

And with the 15 zoning, it seems to be consistent with Rossett Green.

They too were, I believe, probably A2 because we all were A2 before coming into the county.

And Jay Chamberlain on Rossett Green, my neighbor, he was given the R 15 zoning on the same ground.

So I I just feel that it's consistent with the neighborhood, and uh and I want you to know what my intent is for the property just to be a family compound, basically.

And uh that's it.

And as far as like the structures go, I know I can work it out with the city because if I have to tie the roof lines together and expand on bringing the grandfathered ADU that sits at the back that was built for my father back in 97.

If I need to, I'm more than happy to spend what it takes to join that to the house, eliminating one structure and probably about 2,000 square feet, bringing everything into compliance from from the way it's been explained to me.

So I'm trying to work with the city to make spend the money, do what it takes to make everything compliant.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Goop.

Thank you.

All right, Miss Edwards, we'll go ahead and go to you for the vote.

Mr.

Robinson, yes, Mr.

Meekham.

Yes, Ms.

T'Susa.

Yes, Mr.

DeKaiser.

No, Miss Stroud.

I will be abstaining from this vote.

I um when I owned my small business, I did work for the GUIs for 22 years.

So I will be abstaining from the vote.

Ms.

Houseman.

Yes.

Ms.

Sharkey.

No.

Madam Chair.

That motion passed four to two with one abstention.

Thank you, Miss Edwards.

That closes out item number three on our agenda and it brings us to item number four.

The Sandy City Council and Mayor acting as the Sandy Board of Municipal Canvassers meeting to canvas the returns for the 2025 general election.

I have our city recorder Wendy Downs presenting on this this evening, and I will go ahead and give it to you, Wendy.

Yes, that's what I have at the time.

Wendy, we have your materials that you sent over.

I know you just got them this afternoon, so just let us know what you need pulled up, and we're happy to pull it up.

Okay.

Um if you'll pull up the document that just had the election results.

Sorry, Liz, can you pull up the election results document, please?

Um yeah, can you scroll to page eight?

I think we're on eight.

All right, so we're on eight and nine.

Okay.

Thank you for having me.

Um I'm going to read the results for our 2025 general election.

For Sandy City Mayor, Monica Zoltanski received 15,220 votes.

Cindy Sharkey received 9,599.

For Sandy City Council at large, Brooke D'Souza received 15,665.

For our council district one, Brooke Christensen received 2,378.

And Shanna Davis received 2,033.

And then for our last one, District 3, Chris Nickel received 4,385 votes.

And Iva Williams received 3,333.

Now, if you will pull up pull up the statistics, the data report.

So this election we had a 45.2% voter turnout, which is pretty amazing.

We had a lot of people come out and uh cast their vote.

There were a total of 24,946 ballots that were counted.

24,218 of those were by mail ballots.

28 of those were in-person early voting.

641 of those were in person on election day.

40 were the UOCava ballots that were returned electronically, which is overseas, military and overseas.

19 of those were provisional ballots.

Excuse me.

Um this is a new one for us, section three on vote history.

Um vote histories were given for the 200, sorry, 24,948 of ballots counted, but they don't match the vote history in VISTA, and that is because two of them uh were in-person fleeing voters.

Not exactly sure what fleeing means, other than probably checked in and didn't finish their ballot.

I envision someone going and voting and then running away really fast, because that would be fleeing, right?

So that's what I envisioned in my brain, guys.

So I doubt it was that of those provisional ballots that we had, the 21 were issued, and those provisional ballots are those who go in person and register to vote same day.

19 of them were counted, and two of them were not counted.

Um of those two, one had already voted, and the other one didn't have the residency to vote in our elections.

Um there were 243 ballots that were challenged, curable ballots that were sent a cure notice.

174 of those were rejected because they were not cured.

Do they Liz, do you need to advance?

Oh yes, there.

Sorry, I wasn't, I was looking but not really paying attention.

Um 174 were rejected because they they were not cured.

Um 153.

Um the envelope signature didn't match that of the voter.

15 were returned unsigned.

Six ballots were challenged for other other curable reasons.

So we had a 71.6% curable ballots not cured for those.

Um 114 rejected non-provisional ballots that they could not legally be cured, were returned after the received by deadline, which was by 8 p.m.

by the county clerk, um, or just rejected for any other uncurable reason.

Um that is all I have for you tonight.

Any questions?

Thank you, Wendy.

Are there any questions?

All right.

Does any of the council member Robinson?

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I move that we adopt um the 2025 general election results second.

I'm sorry.

Thank you.

Motion and a second, any discussion?

Councilmember Sharkey seconded.

Saying that there's no discussion, I'll go ahead and go for the vote, including um Mayor Zeltanski.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Mr.

Robinson, yes, Ms.

Sharkey, yes.

Mr.

Meekham.

Yes.

Ms.

Tesusa, yes.

Mr.

DeKeiser, yes.

Ms.

Stroud, yes.

Ms.

Houseman?

Yes.

Mayor Soltansky.

Yes.

Madam Chair, that motion carried eight to zero.

That is great.

Thank you so much.

Thank you, Wendy.

That concludes that item.

And being that we are a little past 6 p.m.

before our workshop, we'll go ahead and go to the citizen comment portion of our meeting.

As I've stated before, if you're interested in making comment and you were here in the room, there is a blue, there are blue cards in the back.

Please fill one out and bring it up here.

Um it'll come to me and I will call them as I receive them.

Everybody go ahead.

Did you have some?

I don't want to interrupt you when you're finished.

Um everybody will have three minutes to speak.

Um, I did have some requests previously for uh additional time, but given the anticipated volume of um speakers tonight, we were limiting that to three minutes for everybody online and in room included.

Um there are potentially various viewpoints represented tonight, and so we're going to remain respectful of each other as we go through this public comment period.

And I have um I will start calling people up.

So the first one that I just really quickly just so you know I have I've had three people reach out, send us written comments, and they specifically ask that they be read into the record.

So I'm happy to read those into the record whenever you guys would like me to, uh, maybe at the end after we've heard from our in-person virtual commenters.

Just let me know.

Yeah, that sounds good.

Let's plan on going um in-room.

We'll go virtual, and then after that, we'll go ahead and do the read into the record and go from there.

Thank you.

So we'll start.

I have Chad Westover followed by Carl Luan.

Council members, thank you.

Chad Westover.

Um I've lived in Sandy for 20 years, and uh I uh have a lot of neighbors and uh enjoy all that the city provides, so thank you for that.

Um last week I wasn't here for the fireworks, um, and I was notified by a few of our neighbors that uh some accusations have been made about a council member uh in specific uh council member Sharkey and names like liar and criminal were used, and I just wanted to provide the council my perspective.

Um I campaigned with council member Sharkey, and I knocked on doors, and there were many times when the uh homeowner would ask, can we put a sign right here?

Very visible, it's great, it would be get much more traffic.

And council member Sharkey would say, nope, can't do that.

That city or county property.

And Councilmember Sharkey would not do that.

Before and before June, I noticed there were a lot of campaign signs out.

And I said, why don't we why don't you put in campaign signs out?

And the response was, well, I signed the pledge for fair campaign practices.

And I'm not going to put anything out before that time.

A lot of other campaigns did that.

So either they didn't sign the pledge, which is one question, or they violated the pledge.

One of the other but she was hard and fast not to violate what she had signed.

So I wonder, it's hard for me to believe that someone as fastidious about the rules as that would say or write something that is criminal or a lie.

I just don't believe it.

I do think that we are about and should be about transparency.

And if someone says something in a campaign, write something in a campaign, fine, talk it out.

Let's have a conversation.

But to kind of promote a political stunt to try to do what whatever for whatever purposes is not right.

I echo Lincoln, so I'll I'll end philosophically.

Lincoln gathered and assembled a team of rivals.

He wanted diverse opinions.

Instead of you know not listening to all sides, he listened to all sides.

He had it in his in his in his inner circles, was a team of rivals, not to uh allow people to be shut out.

Thank you, Mr.

Westover.

Next we have Carl Luan, followed by Nick Milovich.

Okay, I won't even go into something that's already been proven, and that is a lie.

So what I would like to start out is my first question is why are you looking out for Cindy's best interest?

Cindy only looks after her best interest.

We all know this is as a person being self-centered.

Why are you so willing to most likely lose your dream of being re-elected?

Members of uh members of Sandy City Council to protect Cindy's self-interest.

It makes no sense.

We have heard desperate people do best desperate things, and these desperate things have severe consequences.

Cindy desperate thing was to be Sandy Center mayor and no, and now she must suffer consequences, that is be removed as a member of Sandy City Council.

In other words, it's now time for Cindy to pay the piper.

The piper, all of you should be requesting as payment from Cindy, she be removed as a member of Sandy City Council during your re-election campaign.

You know your opponent is going to say you covered up a lie, and because you did not disclose that you covered it up.

Isn't that a lie?

If it's for your constituents to decide, what why should you even be required to make this decision if you punish Cindy now, having her step down, your appointment cannot bring that anything about your past.

The lot the longer you wait, it does not look good for you.

If you do not act now, your constituents will have to you will have to answer these questions, and they must be truthful.

You surely do not want to compound already ugly situation.

Your opponent will say, I am a truthful person, why my opponent is clearly not.

And I will never let a lie go unpunished and see that that punish will be punishment will be swift and have her removed from office by any means at any disposal.

Let's get serious.

I know you know, as well as your kids' constituents know, you will not be re-elected.

If you try to stay focused on my past accomplishment, if you try to stay focused on your past accomplishment, your opponents will say, Yes, look at your let's look at your passive confidence and focus on two major ones.

One, you covered up a line, second, depending on what your constituents have decided, maybe you're a liar.

And otherwise it may be set forthcoming trying to explain the situation.

It is literally, it literally defies the use of common sense.

I plead with you, do not leave your common sense at home and make the right decision, which is to remove Cindy as an as a member of the Sandy City Council, and thereby avoiding all likeliness you not being re-elected.

It was Cindy's bad acts that caused her problems, your protein and your potential problem.

And using the Cronta term, she assigned to you her problems.

This assignment is paying the consequences for something she did.

Since Cindy caused her own problems, and now your potential problems, don't you think it's it is the one who should pay all consequences of her own bad actions.

Thank you.

Okay, thank you.

Next we have Nick Milovich.

I apologize if I said your name incorrectly.

So by way of disclaimer, um I recently retired, and I have way too much time on my hands, so just uh consider that one comment.

Um not a citizen that's happier that the election's over than me.

Um what I saw made me very uncomfortable, and um the amount of money that was spent, uh some of the uh campaign ads that I saw.

Um I think there was a lot of uh involvement or um concern by um several groups uh in this election, and all the while I'm thinking, well, it's uh it's a not supposed to be a nonpartisan election.

Okay.

Um but as I said, the election's over.

And I um have contacted, I'm very direct.

I've contacted some of you with with my concerns.

I've had several uh emails, hopefully respectful to uh councilwoman Choice.

Um I did my homework, and um I looked in uh at the issues and I voted accordingly.

What I'm hoping now, what I expect now is that everyone in this room, council members, the mayor, uh, can put that aside um and the general population as well in Sandy City and work together for what's in the best interest of the citizen to sand.

Um I think we owe that to one another.

Um I believe that adults should be able to sit down, express their concerns of one another, be respectful of one another, and move on.

So I'm I'm hopeful that that we can do that.

Um Robertson, I'm sorry to see you go.

Um I don't know if you remember me, but you um responded um back when we had a problem with the fluoride and took the time to listen to my concerns and um I would feel the best.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Next, we have Don Sidwell followed by Henry Butters.

Um really quick too.

I know that there's a lot of commenters.

Some of you may have commented before, and some may have never commented before.

Um, I just want to make sure that everybody knows um that this period for public comment is um, and this isn't a response to the last speaker at all.

I just it reminded me that I had meant to say something before, that this is a like a one-way conversation, and so if there are questions asked, don't expect the council to respond because we want to give you the undivided three minutes for you to make your comment.

Um, and that was all.

Thank you.

Um Miss Don said well, followed by Henry Butters.

Well, I'm back, and the reason I'm back is I reviewed the council video from last week, and it really upset me somewhat to see at the end where the council members all made comments for whatever issue they were discussing.

And I was kind of disappointed to see that not everybody commented on what the group comments were about the election, and I saw Alison and Aaron De Kaiser during our comments taking notes.

Everybody else just didn't seem real interested, but I will say during your business section for council, there were many of you, Ryan, Alison, Aaron, that brought up we had valid points and really should be looked into.

So I really appreciate that.

Again, then I Marcy.

Only comment she had to say was to support Cindy.

Nothing new.

This is a pack right there.

She didn't say anything else that she had constituents who came out and wanted to say something about the mayor, the way she ran the race.

Well, you didn't say anything about the rest of us who got up here and spoke.

The other thing Cindy said, which really bothered me was the fact that she received one mailer.

And I believe she was talking about the one with Alison and the mayor saying they were not supporting the program gondola.

She wanted to complain about just receiving one flyer when the rest of us received numerous, numerous same subject matter over and over again.

So that was really upsetting to me.

And as far as I hope the council will work with the mayor, I have my doubts.

But I'll give you a chance to prove me wrong.

Thank you.

Thank you.

We have Henry Butters followed by Steve Proctor.

I'm here to give thanks to the police chief.

He's been helping me on some homelessness in the church parking lots and stuff.

But what's so funny is they're now jumping out of private property onto city streets during the date and then going back to private properties.

Okay.

A truck can only be parked on side of the street for 24 hours.

Okay.

I feel like there should be a rule on if they're sitting there for too long, like down by the dog park every day that was down there.

We don't know what's in them campers.

Not trying to mean that wrong.

There could be drugs.

We don't want our kids around it.

Um another thing is a school bus is a commercial vehicle by law.

I see about five in district one every day.

A school bus is a commercial vehicle.

They have to hold a commercial license to drive it.

Why is Canyon School District getting away with letting buses be parked during the day out on the streets?

And I can't park my semi right by my house.

A bobtoe.

That's my concern.

And I just want to give props to Sue says been awesome helping me out on concerns.

Um the police chief's been.

I actually talked to the police chief personally today on this cell phone.

I'm on a missing when he retires because he's been really proactive with me.

I don't want him to retire because he's been really good and proactive.

One thing I want to say to the mayor, I called about the same situation, and she wouldn't even reach out to me and say, what can we do to help you out, Henry, to have this problem solved.

I reached out to your place, that the mayor's office and asked to have you call me.

That's disrespectful when you're in city city person and not reach out to someone that can.

That's my feelings.

Thank you, Brooke, for every time you reach out to me when I bring my concerns to you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Next we have Steve Proctor, followed by Craig Ulrich.

Thank you for the for the time you've given me.

After being in the secret service for 25 years, I thought I've seen it all.

But I'm telling you that politics in general can be very ugly, or it can be very kind and loving.

The reason I mentioned that is my wife and I have been happily happy 33-year residents of Sandy.

We live in a nice neighborhood, raised our kids there, etc.

etc.

After five neighbors that lived in the house behind us, the first four people of which that have been there and been gone, we still maintain Christmas cards with them until Knucklehead number five comes along.

And two months ago, in the middle of the night on a Sunday night, threw up a 20-foot-high barn against my back fence.

I'm on a small quarter-acre lot.

Very, very long story short.

I've met with many of the people here and are probably sick of hearing me tell the story, but I'm not here to complain about that because in that effort I lost.

The root cause of that is because you can now fill out a building permit online.

And you can kind of fudge a little bit.

But when you get that stamp of approval, and you don't have somebody put eyes on what they're planning on doing, having a building taken down is almost impossible.

At any rate, that's not why I'm here.

I'm only here to tell you, tell you through that this terrible ordeal that my wife and I went through, and every friend and relative and neighbor that saw what's in my backyard were absolutely appalled.

And I'll give you my address if you ever want to drive what drive by, you're welcome in the backyard any time.

Stick your head to backyard, and you will say, Oh my God.

Again, enough about that because I lost, and uh, what was submitted in that online permit was granted, and they for they didn't ask.

Oh, are you gonna bring in three feet of topsoil?

No, but he did.

So his six-foot fence is now nine feet in my side.

Anyway, I'm done with that.

I'm all about thanking Miss Councilwoman Cindy Sharkey for finding me in this position after I had talked and called and been down and talked about everybody, but I can remember names, like you can't believe it.

But she took an interest in me, having no knowledge of my personal political conviction.

She did a great deal of help for me.

She interviewed she she's a wonderful person, and I throw her my support.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Proctor.

Next we have Craig Ulrich, followed by Jean Corey.

These are the comments that my head wrote after last week.

And these are the comments that my heart wrote that I will give tonight.

My wife and family and I have lived here in Sandy for over 55 years.

Yes, we love Sandy.

What happened last week during the public comment period was a disgrace, and I give the city and the and the majority of Sandy residents a black eye.

One would have thought that Monica Z had lost the wraith, and the way they conducted themselves, it was odd, very odd.

No disparaging remarks were made about Monica Z's campaign.

It was observed, however, that after the comments were given, that most of the presenters waited in the hallway until Monica Z came out to talk to them and to make sure that their phase two plan of social media attacks on Cindy Sharkey were in place, which happened immediately the next day.

You tell me, did this not have all the signs of a coordinated attack?

Councilwoman Sharkey is a duly elected at-large council representative.

She is well respected among her peers and citizens alike.

Her courage to run against an incumbent is remarkable.

She understands issues facing the city.

She always has the backs of taxpayers and asked the question first.

Can it can we accomplish the goal without raising taxes?

I have a list of issues here with Monica Z campaign, but I will only highlight two with recommendations.

The Fair Campaign Practices Pledge resolution 2305 C would be made, should be made mandatory.

It encompasses higher campaign standards and practices.

Councilwoman Sharkey signed the pledge.

Monica Z did not and refused to sign it.

Monica Z's campaign signs started appearing on the streets and byways of the city a full three months before June 1st, which is the start date in the pledge.

My second recommendation is the council should examine oversee and change how the merit pay of the budget is administrated by department heads.

This is how Monica Z could effectively say, and I quote, the mayor did not raise her salary.

By statute, that is true, but the merit funding is approved in one sum by the council and then distributed to the and by the uh discretion of department heads, which she is and is not subject to council oversight.

I look forward to a brighter future for Sandy than what we witnessed last week.

Thank you.

Thank you.

We have Jean Corey followed by Robin Lee.

Hi, it's good to see you all.

I appreciate my city council and all of the leadership of Sandy.

We've lived here 30 years.

And I have been on some city uh citizen uh groups and um thoroughly enjoyed those times and feel like you all do a great job.

Um I have a friend and neighbor, Robin, who's going to speak after me, who made me aware of the uh the terrible things that were said last week, and I came with her to speak out to say that I wish things like this didn't happen, that um we all need to continue to work together as a government and as citizens to make this the best city we can.

I would like to support uh councilwoman Sharke.

I have followed her career.

I think she has done a great job.

She's been involved and knowledgeable, and I appreciate all that she has done.

And I I debated about whether to do this little joke, but yesterday I went to my annual doctor's appointment, and I am in the mature citizens group, and consequently they asked me all sorts of silly questions like whether I eat my vegetables and fruits and whether I brush my teeth and whether I have rugs in my house.

And I got so angry that they were treating me like a child and and saying unnecessary things to me.

And I kind of compare that to what's going on here.

This is unnecessary.

Um these are duly elected people, they deserve our support.

We want you all to succeed, and we need to let bygones be bygones, and I would appreciate all those here thinking that through and coming to some sort of peace within themselves.

And uh that's the end of my comments.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

We have Robin Lee next, followed by Jude and Gracia.

Hello, my name is Robin Lee, and um I um want to say how much I appreciate Cindy Shocky.

Um she came to my house on um June July 2nd, and we she just talked to me for an hour and told me why she was running.

And um the next Monday after that, on July 7th, I had a cottage meeting at my house.

We had 18 neighbors come and it was very successful.

They asked questions and she answered to the best of her ability.

I'm so grateful for Cindy because during the campaign I would text her what are what's the link to the candidate contributions, and she gave me the link.

I remember talking with another neighbor, and we had questions about the gondola, and we called her at 9:30 at night, and she answered my questions and also my neighbors' questions.

Um I attended another uh cottage meeting in another person's backyard, and she did very well.

And also I went to the League of Women Voters, and she said something nice about Mayor Zeltanski and Mayor Zotansky said something nice about Cindy, and I am so grateful to know her.

Um I handed out flyers for her in areas that were close to my neighborhood, and when I ran out of flyers, I said, Cindy, I need about 50 more, and she dropped them off, and I continued to hand out the flyers.

To me, Cindy is a very knowledgeable person.

To me, she has integrity, and she is a great person.

I appreciate all of you here for your public service.

It's hard to be a public servant.

My only public service was being the PTSA president at Alta High School for one year from 2016 to 2017.

And when I saw the comments that were posted yes last week, I watched the movie, the meeting on last week.

I thought, oh my goodness, this is bullying.

When we were in Alta High School, we were having bullying bullying problems, and it's so sad that at this level there is bullying going on.

So I ask that we all work together.

There's team Sandy, and that we can make our city great.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Next, we have Jude and Grassia, followed by Telinda Larson.

Can I wait until he you guys have the paper?

Uh your time is counting.

I'm Jude and Gracia.

The first four pages are flyers from Cindy Sharkey directly, promoting partisanship and lies about Monica Z giving herself a raise, planning to double your density, calling her the million dollar mayor.

Page five is the email I referenced last week.

At the top, Cindy Sharkey is copied on the email.

I won't read aloud the contents of the email, as I feel it would only deepen the divide that Ms.

Sharkey has sewn in Sandy City.

Let's look at the signature line.

So this is on page five.

I know you guys just got it.

The signature line where the signature where the sender clearly identifies their name and their founding role in the PAC residents for Sandy's future.

Not only does Ms.

Sharkey know who is behind the PAC, but she is complicit in the words in the email and is condoning the PAC's actions for agreeing to this event at his residence.

As an aside, should the food and drinks at this event have been listed as an in-kind contribution to Miss Sharkey?

There's no mention of this PAC in her contributions nor her expenditures.

Next are photos of Ms.

Sharkey at the event at the residence of the PAC's founding member.

Last meeting, when Don Sidwell asked Miss Sharkey about the PAC, Ms.

Sharky shook her head to try to distance herself from the PAC.

At the end of the meeting, she said, other players were involved, which is completely allowed by law.

Let's look at the pledge that Ms.

Sharkey signed, the last two pages of the packet.

It says, I shall immediately and publicly repudiate support deriving from any individual or group which resorts to methods in violation of the letter or spirit of this pledge.

And then I've included more examples of the smear ads that the PAC was propagating that Miss Sharkey should have called out but did not.

Like a photoshopped image of the mayor holding wads of cash, the red hat signs filled with money placed without property owners' permission.

The PAC also took every opportunity to use political labels like it's a dirty word, encouraging division between neighbors.

Brooke, I want to thank you for running a clean campaign.

How would you have felt if your political party were weaponized against you?

And Alison, thank you for calling out partisanship when you saw it on next door.

People were talking and you chimed in, you know, we have more things, things in common than what divides us.

Ms.

Sharkey did not call any of that out.

She was complacent, complicit, hoping to win at all costs, even if it meant smearing her opponent and pitting neighbor against neighbor.

Last week I simply asked that Ms.

Sharky be formally censured, but given that she's denied any and all wrongdoing and dismissed the comments that we made.

A slap on the wrist is not enough.

I must ask Miss Sharkey to resign.

If she cannot see that what she did was wrong, she will keep subjecting Sandy citizens to the same smear campaign in the future.

Signing the pledge was not enough.

Apparently, it was purely performative.

You should resign.

Next we have Telinda Larson followed by Mary Barton.

Thank you, Council members, for the opportunity to be here.

And again, thank you for your service and thank you to the mayor.

I support everything that Jude just presented.

And it was a very uncomfortable campaign for a lot of us.

I think we all really realize that.

And I asked that the city council take a look at this and take an effort to make sure that this kind of campaign is not happening again.

And let's all again work together.

So again, I thank Jude for the research that she's done in providing you the hard copies of the examples.

Thank you.

We have Mary Barton next, followed by Phyllis Ackerman.

Okerman.

Not a problem.

Take your time.

Wow, this must mean a lot to me, or I wouldn't come in crutches.

So I've lived in Sandy for 32 years in the house I live in.

We were actually incorporated into Sandy, and much of that is to Cindy Sharkey's credit.

We had a lot of concerns.

We were like, okay, if we change to Sandy, where's the water coming from?

Will the water cost us more?

We had very specific concerns.

Cindy was the most amazing researcher.

She found out all the information, she presented the information, and what I found was we could depend on her for accurate information and honest information.

I wasn't here last week, so I guess I missed the fireworks.

But I've known Cindy, and I even talked to her about the campaign.

And she in a very heartfelt way had said to me, I'm a person that takes the high road.

I'm a person that takes the high road.

But she said there were people that said to me, you know, you better respond to some of this stuff.

And she said, I didn't put out a lot of this stuff.

There were other people that felt very strongly, and I think that's worth mentioning.

So with Cindy helping us, there were so many times.

We live by a creek.

So we've had experiences with flooding, property damage, and so just a couple years ago, she had Ted and Jeremy come to our neighborhood.

And Ted and Jeremy told us how we could prepare.

You know, what can we do?

Sandbags, what can we do?

And she went to everybody individually and said, were your questions answered?

Do you think you have the help that you need?

And we were very, very appreciative.

And then we had Sandy City decide to put in street lights.

Well, then that's a wonderful thing, and we appreciate it.

But they were cutting the sprinkler systems, and they were putting them in locations that were right into somebody's bedroom window.

And so we asked, is there anything we can do?

Cindy brought out people from the public utilities department.

They said, what is it that you need?

How can we help?

How can we do this and resolve this in a very, very positive way?

And then we had a new bridge built, and the money came from the federal government for the infrastructure bill.

Oh my goodness, a year and a half, a year and a half of unbelievable crazy stuff.

We lost our power so many times.

Guess who helped us?

Cindy Sharkey.

She's a good listener.

She cares about her constituents.

We could depend on her.

We are very appreciative of her.

And we feel it's important that we're taxpayers, and she has served us very, very well.

And we need to let the committee know and the council know that we appreciate Cindy Sharkey.

Thank you.

Next, I have Phyllis Ackerman.

Phyllis is 103.

So she'll need a microphone.

We've got one coming to you, Phyllis.

If you would like to sit and make your comment, you're more than welcome to as well.

Yes.

I'm 103.

I'm a taxpayer and a homeowner in the city of Sandy.

Oh, okay.

I'm a veteran of World War II.

I served as a Navy nurse in World War II.

I mean, all this way.

Does that help you if I hold it?

I guess so.

Okay, thank you.

Go ahead.

All right.

Um I served as Navy nurse in the war.

I service to me is very important.

I'm taking this opportunity tonight to thank Cindy Sharkey for her service to our community and look forward to her continued um service.

At the age of a hundred and three, I would say I've gained some wisdom and appreciate people of good character.

I have found Cindy to be very honest, hard working woman of character.

I've reached out to her with her questions about Sandy City, and she's done an excellent job of being a service at getting back to me.

She came and met with my neighbors in one of our backyards and answered questions.

She's an excellent at details, and her knowledge of details helped us to understand many things that we had a concern about.

Integrity is important to be.

Thank you.

And thank you for your service, Phyllis.

Next we have Lance Sof followed by Ken Barton.

Hey, uh, first of all, I want to congratulate Mayor Zoldansky on the on her win as a mayor.

You have my full support, and I hope you have the full support of all of Sandy, and that you've done great things in the past, and hope you continue to do great things.

Second of all, thank you, the council, for all your service for for what you uh are paid and the time and and the abuse you take.

Um I'm a public servant also, so I I thank you so much for what you do.

Um Cindy Sharkey, uh you are um a great asset to our city.

Um when I moved in to Sandy 12 years ago, one of the first people I met here in Sandy, and she was the most active person before she was on the council of trying to make our little small community better.

Um she got us annexed into Sandy, and she knocked every door.

She took the time to explain the situation to every person.

She did not try to sway anyone, she just gave everyone the facts.

And I've never seen somebody so when they're passionate about something, they want to force it on them, and she was so open to hey, if this is best for you, I think it's a good idea, but it's just take a look at it.

So I want to thank her for doing that, and I want to thank her for her service.

I get a I get to enjoy her time um at uh events uh in our neighborhood, and sometimes I want to talk about things other than Sandy, but that is not possible with Cindy because that's all she thinks about.

It is what is best for our community, and she doesn't vote on political lines.

She doesn't vote on what I want, she votes on what is best for all of Sandy.

Um we s we can see what the division does to our federal government.

We can see what the most important thing to our governor uh has done as he was the national or uh the chair of the National Governors Association.

He could have picked any thing to focus on, and he focused on disagree better.

And that is the topic that I think we should all focus on.

Uh he received a lot of crit criticism for picking that topic.

Um, but it is a topic that we all need to focus on.

Whatever's happened has happened.

We need to move on, we need to work together, and as together we can make a better Sandy.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Next we have Ken Barton, followed by Mayor Steve Newton.

Hello.

My name is Ken Barton.

I'm a center right retired engineer.

I worked uh my way up in the engineering profession.

And um for a while I was a vice president of uh OGE engineering.

I um impressed of those people that can find a problem and fix it.

A while ago, about four years ago, I had a I was one of the first ones to put on my street, a Google fiber uh new internet.

And along came Iraqi Mountain Power and dug up the street and ripped it open.

And I called Google Fiber up and said, hey, when are you gonna come out and fix this?

Well, they fixed it by putting me on a temporary piece that ran across the street, and it would last about two months.

And it happened, this happened four times.

Four times.

And all uh my uh I got tired of calling Google Fiber up and uh went out one time, and this the Rocky Mountain Power was out there and they were fixing it.

They fixed it, and I asked my neighbor what happened.

What happened?

How'd they fix it?

Oh, don't you know?

Singy got involved.

Yeah, in my profession, when you find somebody that fixes problems, you keep them.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Next, we have Mayor Steve Newton followed by Heather Duquet.

Well, I was elected a city council in 1979.

I know you're it's hard to believe that we could be around that long, but I met a councilman, Jim Meekham.

Don't know you any relationship to Jim Meekham.

No, he's not related.

Not related.

Jim Meekham.

Jim Meekham and uh Dick Adair, or old time councilman.

They've been there for a long time.

I was a I was a 32-year-old young man.

Uh lawyer, thought I knew a lot.

Uh we get into a battle.

I found out that you know I was on the other side of some old hands that knew what was going on.

And uh, I got beat and I was mad.

And uh you know, how could they disagree with me?

Pretty soon I found out that sometimes they agreed with me and sometimes they disagreed with me.

At the end of the day, you just can't make it personal.

It's gotta be you deal with every issue.

You gotta you you've gotta understand that people disagree with you.

Um you gotta be civil.

And uh unfortunately, um, based on last week's attack on uh Cindy Sharkey, I think uh there's been a breach of uh tradition that uh of generosity in winning.

And I I was quite disturbed by uh by it.

Um I think I know have known personally most of the mayors that have served as mayor of Sandy City since 1893.

Now I I obviously I wasn't around, but we got to know some of those old mayors as a result of uh uh the Noel Bateman Award and other things, and um the one thing the mayors have always been and always done in this in this city have always been generous in victory.

Uh I think uh to have a mayor who wins and then attempts to cancel their opponent is not a good look for this city.

Um I would hope Mayor Zoltanski that uh that you're a successful mayor.

I congratulate you on doing what I couldn't do, which is being re-elected.

Uh but uh thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mayor Newton.

We have Heather DuPay followed by Tim Shumley.

A little bit short, sorry.

Good evening, Mayor, everybody.

My name is Heather DuPay.

I am a long-term resident of Sandy.

I actually came back here even when we moved to California just to raise my kids here.

I am the one that helps manage the community fruit orchard of 100 trees up in eastern Sandy.

So I am very involved and I am very passionate about our community.

I also help teach the K through fifth through uh Canyon School District.

So I work with a lot of these kids every day, so I'm also very passionate about what we're teaching in the future.

Um I am not here on behalf of anybody except myself and especially teaching a lot of these kids, um, even my own daughters this last election.

And to be honest, I was very disturbed.

I was very disappointed, and I would hope that no, regardless of who won of who did what, I would hope that at this point we can do better.

And I hope that we can teach our future generations to run a better campaign to do things where it's we're modeling the politics for our future generations, and that's kind of where my grudge is at this point is it's you know a smear campaign here, it's attacking this and that.

I would hope that no matter what, we take this as a lesson from this particular campaign and never let this happen again.

I truly hope that we can run a better campaign moving forward of what each competitor wants to do instead of just what someone else is doing worse.

You know, what is somebody doing terribly?

Okay, well, what do you want to do better?

Um, and this is actually a heart of a discussion I got with several middle schoolers who I don't even teach.

That was been a very interesting thing for me.

But I would like to be very clear that in the future, I hope that we focus on issues, records, and policies instead of personal attacks instead of using Facebook groups, mailers, ads, using these kind of money and funds to just kind of help disparage everybody, everybody loses.

And I feel like at this point, all of Sandy has lost.

And the more I listen to this group of you know, yes, this person's great, but they did terrible things, or yes, this person's great.

I really hope, like a couple of people have said, we can just move forward at this point.

Yes, it's been disappointing, but let's learn from this instead of just saying, hey, you know what, this sucked, yes, it did.

But I hope that we can learn from this and move forward that in the future we don't ever run this kind of campaign again.

And that's more than anything I'd like to ask everybody here.

Let's please not redo this in the future for our future constituents because as somebody that teaches future minds, this has been very hard to just kind of explain, well, yes, you know, that's someone's opinion.

Well, you know, tax dollars and these kinds of things, yes, that is hurtful, and we actually have used a lot of what was learned here in models more or less of yes, this is the kinds of things that we don't want in the future.

Um, I believe that our community deserves better.

I believe that a race dominated by smears, half truths, and paid social media rage baiting, it's really tough.

And I know that certain people did sign the fair practice campaign, and certain people did not.

And honestly, in the future, I would really like to not only have candidates do that, but maybe to post it publicly.

Yes, these people did sign this, yes, these people did not.

I'm not sure what the answer is.

Um, I'm just kind of a humble servant.

I mostly work with trees and I work with kids, so adults is kind of a new realm for me.

But I would hope that at least from my humble opinion, we can learn from this and we can move forward because I really do believe in all of us.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Next we have Tim Shumway, followed by Rita Lee.

Good evening.

I uh Tim Shumway.

I've been uh resident of Sandy five or six years because for a long period of time, even though I lived in the same house, we were part of the county prior to the bought my in-law's house.

We have seven children, they lived there for 20 years, and the house was built for my my wife's grandmother.

We've been in this area for nearly 40 years.

Um I tell my children to not give much credibility to what other people say about someone.

Yes, keep it in your mind, but you base your experience and your judgment on your experience with them.

I can echo much of what has been said.

My experience with Cindy Sharkey has been uh completely above board before she had any desire to serve on the council.

She was in the neighborhood as we tried to annex.

I live near Willow Creek Country Club.

One of the key kind of linchpins in allowing us to annex was Willow Creek Country Club, who was playing Switzerland at the time, but needed information.

And she dug in and provided and answered questions.

I've seen her work on stop signs and and speed limits and all kinds of things.

I see her in the neighborhood tirelessly.

I would also say I referee high school basketball and have for about a decade.

It's a blast.

But I have to make about 300 split decision split second decisions in a basketball game.

And some would argue maybe they're not all great.

But I will tell you, we have a little saying if you if you uh permit it, you promote it.

And how that applies here is leaders lead.

We support Mayor Zoltanski.

You have an opportunity to lead.

Let's move on.

Who, regardless of who's involved behind whatever is happening, you have an opportunity to lead and squash this and move on.

This is what we want in Sandy.

We support you, and we'll do all we can to keep Sandy what it is, which is awesome, and support the council members appreciate your service.

I can't do what you do, but it's wonderful.

Let's move on.

Leaders lead.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Next we have Rita Lee, followed by John Lee.

Hi.

Thank you for all the service that you give to Sandy City.

We appreciate your time.

My name is Rita Lee.

And as a Sandy reticident, as a U.S.

citizen, we all know it.

We have regular elections, and they sometimes get heated, and it happens.

And depending on who you talk to, you'll find different different truths.

And we are all trying to find that truth.

And I also want to thank Cindy for the dedication that she has given to our community for as long as I've known her.

She is, if you on the council, you know she's extremely thorough.

She digs into every question.

She doesn't make a decision without finding the facts.

She's honest, she has integrity, and she wants the same thing I want, what is best for Sandy City.

And I was a little bit appalled to think she was voted in by the people of Sandy City.

Why should our vote be taken away and let someone else decide whether or not she should be here?

We voted her here.

She even got 40% about of the votes of the mayoral election.

Why would you deny?

Why would anyone think to deny the rest of the citizens our vote?

I think everyone in here wants the same thing.

We all love Sandy City.

And as an American, when these elections are all over, we walk away and we form together a group with different thoughts.

And there's a saying that says, if everyone thinks alike, then no one is thinking.

I love the diversity.

I love that people have differing opinions, but I also respect the vote and respect the citizens that are voting.

And I thank you for the time, and I hope that you will allow Cindy to participate without her hands tied so that she can do the best for our city.

And I thank you for that.

Thanks.

Thank you.

Next we have John Lee followed by Jeff Koch Koch.

I'm not sure.

Yes, my name is John Lee, and thanks for the time you give me.

I appreciate that.

Um I want to tell you a story that I want to give you a recommendation.

As a young teenager, my father was a union president.

And you think your politics are bad.

Okay, they were ugly.

And I didn't like what they said about my father.

I I was just 12, 13 years old, but I wanted to go fight someone.

And my father would always tell me, Oh, don't do that, it's just politics, don't take it personal.

And he'd even call strikes sometimes.

They called them scabs, they'd cross the line.

And sometimes they'd even pull weapons on them.

So you think you are dirty politics, you have no idea.

But I want you to know what I saw.

When they were finished, they shook hands, they went out to dinner, and they moved on with the business of representing the people that they were paid to represent.

I saw my father, one of the scabs had a problem once, had to go before management.

And I saw him wrap his hands around his shoulders and pat him on the back, and he represented him the best he could.

He didn't look for vengeance.

And as growing up, I just thought, well, that's that's what adults do.

You know.

The circus I saw last week.

Looked like a bunch of immature high school students bullying someone.

And you may choose not to be an adult.

You may choose to do that, but there's a lot of people here in Sandy, they are adults, and they are watching you.

And it will come with political consequences if you keep that bullshit up.

You shouldn't be ashamed of yourselves.

That's not what adults do.

Start acting like it.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Next we have Jeff Koch, thank you.

Followed by Bobby Sharon.

So it's great to be an American, be able to have our opinions and get out there and just blast it out, you know, and feel free to do that.

And yeah, sometimes maybe we not might not be doing it right, might not be the best thing, but a lot of times there's always good that comes out of it.

So the fireworks last week, fantastic, because a lot of the people, the adults in Sandy who are politically asleep, sometimes things like this is what it will take to wake them up.

Instead of 55, 45, it should be 60% voting for crying out loud.

And so there's so many people that would really, if they took a few minutes and just studied what was going on, they would understand a lot more about politics and make good judgments.

And that's what that's what I've been trying to do, and everything that I study and I learn, and I I still have a lot to learn.

But every time I do that, I lean towards what Cindy Sharkey is saying.

And I go, that's the direction that I want to go.

My friends and neighbors who really get into it and understand it, they go, that's the direction that we want to go.

And I think there's so many more people out there who are politically numb, not dumb, but numb, who with all of this that's going on, fantastic.

They're gonna wake up and hopefully they'll get more involved in what's going on.

And so it doesn't feel like it's just y'all down here Tuesday night and the rest of us doing whatever.

But there'll be more involvement by the rest of us, and we'll be able to get in the mix.

We'll all be able to follow the things that that Cindy Sharkey and a lot of us believe in, and that's the direction I think the Sandy should go.

So thank you.

It's been tough, I know, and I feel like gosh, I should have been doing more for you along the way, and hopefully myself and others will do that going forward.

But thank you, and you've you've taken the hit for us, but um we're gonna be there, we'll be there.

And and I and Sandy's will continue to be great.

We're doing great anyway, but we can do better.

And so thank you all for everything we do in Sandy.

I love it, I love it here, and I love the opportunities that are involved, and let's just all get more people to study and learn a little bit more about politics, and it's so easy to make the right decisions.

And I think we'll all be able to follow what Cindy's been doing and re get the redirection that we need in Sandy to make it the greatest city ever.

Thank you.

I yield the floor.

Thank you.

Next we have Bobby Sharon followed by Don Can.

Do I have to say Bobby Sharon again?

First of all, let me just say you have to be really brave and a little bit crazy to run for office to start with, because you know you're gonna take a lot of shards.

You're gonna get a lot of darts, aren't you?

Because you'll never please everybody, and you all know that.

As I listened online to last week's meeting, I was astounded at the organized ambush of Cindy Sharkey.

I I was reminded of how differently we all view life, how we how differently we all view different experiences.

And then again here tonight, the same thing.

Last week people were trying to lynch her, and this week people are saying, wait a minute, look at her record, look at what she's done.

Um I was surprised last week in that meeting that there were people up here calling for her to resign, demanding that she resign or that you get rid of her, and yet they would out of the other side of their mouth lie about her stealing election signs.

What I know, I I did some campaigning with Cindy.

I listened to how she talked to people.

I heard people offer to put signs in their yard for her.

I then saw some of the signs had disappeared.

Um, she, as far as I know, she hasn't accused the mayor or her people of stealing the signs.

So I find it interesting that people come in demanding perfection from Cindy, but not from themselves.

So I appreciate those who allow other people to see things differently.

To repeatedly call for her ouster makes no sense to me.

I've known her ever since she ran the first time.

She's always responsive.

I've never made a phone call to Cindy Sharkey, that she has not returned my call.

She's very thoughtful.

You all know that you've worked with her, she analyzes things.

She always votes, as far as I know.

I know she consistently votes not to raise our taxes.

So as citizens of Sandy, we need to really appreciate the things that she has done, if only our pocketbooks and some people can appreciate that.

I'm well aware as after working elections for years that people really don't know much about any of you.

Very low information voters, all of us, including me, and I really pay attention.

So I just came here to say, don't even think about stepping down, Cindy.

Don't even think about asking her to step down.

Support her, look at the overall picture.

Work together with Cindy, because you know how she works.

You know better than the rest of us know.

So thank you very much.

And I have a vote for Cindy to stay on the council where I know she belongs.

Thank you.

We have Don Cann followed by Susan Update.

Good evening, council members and mayor.

I'm uh proud to say I've lived in Sandy for 36 years and uh worked on numerous political campaigns all my life since I was 17 years old.

First one was for Richard Nixon, believe it or not.

And uh thank God for Nixon, he made it so I didn't have to go to Vietnam by abolishing the draft.

Anyway, I uh I worked on Monica's old tansi's campaign and uh was one uh it personally influenced 40 of my friends and neighbors to vote for her.

And uh she won by 21 votes, so I know I had some influence in that election.

I like Monica very much, she's a good person.

I like Cindy Sharkey also.

I worked on Cindy's campaign this last time.

Uh I worked on Jim Bennett's campaign before I worked against Jim Bennett's campaign.

I've worked on many, many uh campaigns over many, many years, and uh I don't always uh stay on the same side of the issue.

Uh I just wanted to tell you that that uh elections can get dirty.

Campaigns can get dirty.

I've seen it on both sides for many, many years.

I have a stack of of t-shirts about uh six feet tall from all the campaigns I've worked on, and I've seen it from both sides.

Uh but in the immortal words of uh Rodney King, and probably remember him if you remember the LA riots.

Rodney King said, Can't we all just get along?

Uh I think it's it's important to remember that elections things are said, things are done.

Elections are not always perfect in any way, shape, or form.

But bottom line is uh we all uh uh kiss and make up.

I'm a Republican, my wife's a Democrat.

We've been married for 46 years.

We all need to learn to get along.

This calling for people to resign is ridiculous, okay.

I mean, I I feel like everybody has their positives.

I like a lot of things that Monica does.

I like a lot of things that Cindy does.

I like a lot of things that a lot of the council members do.

I mean, Monica stood up for us when when nobody else would, as far as getting rid of that, trying to get rid of that Farnsworth Farms debacle.

The only one that stood up for us.

And and I felt like uh, you know, that's one of the main reasons why I supported her, even though I'm a Republican.

But I want to tell you that I feel like uh, you know, we need to calm down and and re end this ridiculous rhetoric about trying to uh uh stab each other in the back.

Let's try and be civil with one another.

Let's remember that we put the Republican and the Democrat aside.

Uh, our city council and and uh local politics should be nonpartisan, and we need to work together.

It's my sincere hope that we can do this and and and calm down the rhetoric and and learn to live.

If I can live with my wife, who's a democrat in my same household, who leaves the room when I turn on Fox News, certainly Monica and Cindy can get along and we can have a wonderful civil discussion, and I urge everybody to support Cindy and her position.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Next we have Susan Update Dyke followed by Patricia Jones.

Good evening.

I think what makes a great person is not where they're born or what their name is, but it's what they do.

When we moved into our home uh 22 years ago, we were part of the county.

And there are a lot of little arms off of Creek Road.

Some were part of the county, some were part of Sandy, and it just didn't work.

You would call the police and they would say, you're not in Sandy, you're in the county.

You called the county.

We're not in the county, you're in Sandy.

And it took 25 minutes after my home was broken into for a police officer to show up because no one knew which city we belonged in.

So when it came time to do something about that, we asked around, and Cindy Sharkey's name was the one that was given to us to help us through that path.

And she did.

We've got 15 homes because Cindy helped us annex into Sandy.

About a year after that, my darling neighbor was shooting off fireworks at 1 a.m.

And I called the police again, and they said, You're not in Sandy, you're part of the county.

And I went, we've been part of the city for a year and a half.

I called Cindy, she's on speed dial.

She said, I'll take care of it.

She did the very next day.

She had the map looked at again, and you know, and showed them that we were indeed part of Sandy City.

Um when they were cleaning up trash and and our street is too narrow for the truck to get down.

Um they said, well, you're out of luck.

And I'm like, but I'm part of Sandy and I'm paying my taxes for Sandy.

And I called Cindy and she goes, there's a workaround, I'll figure it out.

And she did.

What makes a great person is someone who follows through, and Cindy Sharkey follows through.

I called her yesterday and said, we have leaves on our street.

I have picked up 18 bags.

What do I do?

Leave them on the curb.

Sandy City will pick them up.

She is a go getter and she is amazing.

And to ask her to resign would just be foolish.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Next, we have Patricia Jones followed by Andre Terasov.

Good evening.

First, I want to say I am so happy, happy that I live in USA and not in China.

Freedom of speech.

The first time I met Cindy, not met, I'm sorry.

The first time I ever spoke to Cindy was over over the phone.

It was because of ranked choice voting.

And I wanted, I was taken back when I heard that Sandy is using going to be using ranked choice voting to vote.

And I immediately wanted to find out more from the city council, and she was the one who called me back.

And she told me that this is a test only, a test pilot.

And I thought, well, okay, I know where what tests can lead down to, but anyway.

And then when the subject came up on the agenda, this was maybe a couple of weeks later or three weeks later.

She actually called me and told me that hey, this subject is coming up.

Now I have no idea where she stands with ranch choice voting.

But I think I read now I remember that you kind of voted for that.

But she called me up and said, hey, you may want to come and join.

That's how I started on City Council, and I have learned so much, so much about our city.

And I love this city.

We bought our home in 87, November, and we have lived in that house ever since.

One time owner, first time owner, but uh for that house.

But I want to tell you something.

I've been attending uh Salt Lake County Council on the proposed 20 20% tax increase.

I have seen how much I need to appreciate all of you.

I appreciate all of you, including the mayor.

You work to you may have disagreements, but you work together.

You do not call the mayor does not call you out Republican council members.

No, out in the open.

And the council and and and the and also I appreciate all the residents here that they come out and speak.

And um they don't clap when they support something and they boo when they do not support something.

You know, I mean, we need civility in our city, and I would like to move along to move ahead and look hopefully, hopefully, for the good of the Sandy City.

I really the more I see how Salt Lake County works, the more I appreciate Sandy City.

So I love you all.

I can say this.

I want all of you good tidings and everything.

So stay together, please.

Please, please stay together.

Stay together.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Andrei Terasov, followed by Terry Hirakesi.

Good evening.

My name is Dr.

Andre Terasov.

First, I would like to ask the council to reconsider public comments at 7 p.m., how they were when like many years ago when the meeting started at seven.

Many of Sandy residents don't work in Sandy.

I had to close my clinic early today to exercise my constitutional right to talk to you.

And even with that, if we didn't have that many citizens speaking, I probably will have to do it online.

Second, at the last meeting, multiple residents raised serious concerns about the campaign conduct.

And I want to add my voice to those concerns.

Disagreement is healthy, debate is healthy, elections are healthy, misinformation is not.

And I don't think this is about the part of personality or personal preferences.

Thank you.

Next we have Terry Harakasi.

And I'm very impressed.

You got my name right.

In fact, I'm a longtime resident of Sanity.

I've been here for 38 years, not as long as our hundred-year-old resident, but I've been here a long time and I've seen a lot of changes.

In fact, I remember the mayor behind me.

In fact, I saw three mayors before uh Mayor Dolan was finally elected and held office for many, many years.

And then I remember the Dolan Bradburn campaign.

And I thought, oh, this is a good one.

But it stayed very civil, didn't get ugly, and the opponent took down our mayor that had been there for many, many years.

And he took him down with facts, I believe.

So my point being, I have, in fact, I have worked on many of your campaigns.

Aaron, Alison, I've uh seen some knocked a few doors for you.

Brooke, I've had your sack in my yard.

Uh Zach, and we're really gonna miss you, Zach, on the council.

So I know a lot of you, and a little uh I know you personally, and I've worked on uh mayor's campaign as a councilwoman, and then uh when she decided to run for mayor.

So I have a lot of experience in the campaign field.

And uh my first comment is I have seen Cindy at council meetings because I attended a lot of them.

So impressed.

Cindy, your knowledge is phenomenal, and your the way you frame a question to get at the information that we need to so that you can make a good decision.

Is what I was stunned at is when I saw the way the campaign was being run.

I was really disappointed because that's not the Cindy Sharkey that I knew.

I knew this bright well-versed dealt in facts woman.

I didn't, I didn't recognize what was happening with the spin that was taken on partial facts and made to fit a narrative and and uh kind of the dishonesty that went to it.

And if and if it wasn't your doing, it was obviously your campaign, and you should have stepped in and taken care of that.

Because I I did think more of you than that and and what happened in that campaign.

Campaigns aren't perfect, it's you know, like I said, I've seen a million of them.

I've been doing this for a long time.

When I retired from state government from child support enforcement, I decided that I would do something to instead of complain, do something to make things better, and that's why I I uh work on campaigns to try to get someone elected.

So that's just my two cents.

Congratulations, mayor, uh Cindy.

I look forward to seeing you and the council and the rest of you and Zach.

We're really gonna miss you as you as well as uh Mr.

Meekham.

Thank you.

That is the last in room card that I have.

So if you would like to address the online commenters, of course, thank you, madam chair.

Uh, if you're joining us virtually this evening on Zoom and you'd like to comment on any city business, go ahead and click the raise hand button on your screen now.

I'll call your name in the order in which you raise your hand, and you'll have three minutes.

Go ahead and raise your hand now.

Okay, madam chair.

First is Mike Marker.

Mike, I'm gonna allow you to begin speaking.

Please remember to unmute yourself, and you'll have three minutes.

Uh listening to the folks tonight.

Um this is really not about signs on the lawn.

Um, and it's really not about uh the performance of a city uh a counselor as they carry out their tasks.

This is about how candidates carry a campaign.

I think we're losing sight of that.

We're really here to talk about what kind of campaign we want to have in the future, and we're using this as a backdrop to talk about what we don't want to have.

What started out as a traditional issue-oriented election shifted sharply on September 3rd to hardcore negative attacks and partisan messaging once Don Wiley and his political action committee, the residents for Sanity's Future became involved.

That took place at a very planned organized meeting where a group of folks came together and said, What can we do to keep uh um the the terrible Democrat uh mayor's answer the limit the the liberal uh it would became partisan from day one?

Uh and Cindy was in that meeting, mailers, text, social media during this period now were filled with misinformation and baseless attacks targeting the incumbent.

The Republican Party was involved and funded five out of the seven attack ads that I received, and they came in in piles.

Um, and by the way, this was not Mr.

Wiley's first negative attack uh ad political campaign.

He was involved in at least two others, both of which his candidates lost.

Now, the problem, of course, is that unfortunately courts generally protect false political speech under the First Amendment.

And even if that's ethically questionable, this includes false comparisons, misleading statistics, out of context quotes, exaggerated claims, and baseless accusations.

And we saw all of these in the mayor's the mailers, the emails, and the social media posts that came to us.

Now, subsequent to uh the meeting last week, towards the end, uh Ms.

Sharkey said that she did not break the law.

Uh technically that's true.

But did she violate a pledge that she authored herself in 2023 that promised to put attack ads and unethical tactics during the development of pledge?

She was interviewed by KUTV, and she said that the pledge itself would not solve all campaign issues.

But she did say, quote campaign behavior during a campaign, the campaign behavior of a candidate during a campaign will probably give you an indication of the type of elected official that they might be.

And I couldn't agree more, and I think we saw that.

Uh, in terms of stopping the negativity, the attack ads that were going on, um, the truly dark things that were happening uh during this campaign, she should have stopped.

And now it really comes back to asking about Mr.

Marker, we've reached the three minute marks.

Thank you.

Uh Madam Chair, up next is um give me just one moment.

Uh Sandra Hawk.

Sandra, I'm gonna allow you to begin speaking.

Please remember to unmute yourself, and you'll have three minutes.

Good evening.

Thank you for taking my comments.

I would like to continue in the same vein as the previous speaker.

What's really at issue is the conduct of the campaign.

I agree with others that Ms.

Sharkey's behavior was unlike what I have seen in the past.

I've not always agreed with her, but I have respected her opinion.

I thought the personal attack ads were uh absolutely beyond the pale.

And I know that campaigns get ugly.

We've certainly seen that nationally.

However, she did not tell us what she would do differently.

She simply told us that Mrs.

Okansky was a terrible person.

And she also misrepresented votes that I was in the chamber for.

So I do know how they both voted.

And also those votes were completely out of context.

They were a long time ago.

So I don't think they would predict future behavior.

Also, I do agree with the previous speaker.

In uh academia, we use the GPA to predict college performance.

It has been quite reliable for us for years and years, despite uh the use of standardized testing.

And I'm very concerned about Ms.

Sharkey's behavior on the council going forward because of this change in behavior, maybe get change in leadership.

I understand all the people who gave their testimonies about Ms.

Sharkey's behavior.

I just don't think it's necessarily uh to the point of the question.

And I would like to call on the council to do what we asked last week when we asked the council to respond, because in fact the council members' behavior does reflect on the council, and the council has the power to uh modify direct previous, I'm sorry, future campaigns and behaviors.

And so I would like to ask the council.

I was quite disappointed that the council did not have this topic on the agenda this week.

So I'd like to call upon the council to place on the agenda their discussion of campaign behavior and morals.

Thank you for taking my comments, Madam Chair.

I don't see any other hands raised online.

I do have a few written comments that we were asked to read if you'd like me to do that.

Yes, please.

Will you set the timer as well?

Yes, I will do that.

Give me just one moment.

There is another commenter online really quick.

Okay.

Do you mind if we take the online commenter first?

Yes, please.

Okay.

Uh, we've got Scott Drysdale with his hand raised.

Scott, I'm gonna allow you to begin speaking.

You have three minutes.

Please remember to unmute yourself.

Okay.

I just want to go on a on the council and we've heard a lot of negative stuff tonight.

And thank the council for the efforts I had on Albert King.

Last week we got an update on what was going on there.

And the presenters had a wonderful I think helping us to understand that we fought for a lot of time of how are we gonna get all of Sandy involved in Alba Cayenne, and they refer to the new construction as the Sandy Community Recreation Center.

I guess my concern is we've been spending a lot of time on how to get all of Sandy involved as a community in Alakon.

But we had several council people suggesting that we change the name, and the other thing was just serving is putting it out for the voters to come up with a new name, which means we'd be using taxpayers' money.

I often hear so many times how we need to save taxpayers' money.

My thinking is mostly the name works out right now.

It's a beautiful name to let all of Sandy know that we all can use the Sandy Community Recreation Center.

Thank you, and I hope that was kind of nice to have something on a positive note tonight.

I do thank the efforts of Sandy City Council and everyone for their efforts in that beautiful facilities being built in Sandy City.

Thank you for your time.

Thank you, Mr.

Drysdale.

Mr.

Fraddo, if you would go ahead and read those into the record.

Of course, thank you, Madam Chair.

The first is from Sid Lannham, who's a Sandy resident.

In support of Cindy Sharkey, I'd like to express my support for Cindy Sharky.

The citizens of Sandy want clean and safe communities that they can be proud of and feel safe in.

She played the major role in retaining the spring and fall bulk pickup, which keeps our neighborhoods looking great and our house values up.

Without bulk pickup, our neighborhoods would deteriorate.

Pride in them would falter, crime would increase, property values would drop, and the tax revenue that we need to run the city would fall.

Cindy helped save the Sandy that you know and love.

She is a hard worker, honest, gets results.

I find her character impeccable.

During the recent campaign, the citizens of Sandy saw the Monica side criticizing Cindy for supporting the gondola, which she denies.

We saw the Cindy side criticizing Monica for raises she received, which she denies.

To me and the average citizen, this was a typical political campaign.

Nothing unusual.

There was a clear winner.

Cindy lost, Monica won.

It's done.

We need to move on for the winner to bully the loser is on American.

It's time to turn the focus away from the campaign and focus on serving the citizens of Sandy.

We need Cindy Sharkey working for us in the City Council.

Okay, we have two more.

The next one is from Curtis Patterson.

Curtis asked that this be read into the record.

Says, my name is Let me start the timer.

I apologize.

My name is Curtis Patterson, living in Sandy for well over 44 years, living at 1108 3 South Foxmore Drive.

I'd like to share some of my thoughts and experiences with Cindy Sharkey.

She's reliable.

As if Cindy says she'll do something, she does it.

Like dropping off signs, showing up for a meeting, or talking to someone she says she'll contact.

She said she'd visit with my brother, and she did.

When she said she would, how wonderful for someone to do what they say.

When someone does what they say, they'll do.

They instantly earn my respect.

However, these days it's what someone said that matters, not what they say relative to what they do.

My focus is on what they say relative to what they do, as people can say anything.

She's a person that's honest, fair, and worthy of respect.

She has been honest in everything she has said and done.

She's knowledgeable with a good understanding of issues, processes, rules, and regulations.

I attended a meeting in a friend's home where she explained the rules, processes, and issues the council is facing.

Then she clarified his question and answered, explaining the possible solutions that he had.

She was respectful as she answered questions or issues to all who came.

She's a problem solver and she's calm under pressure.

During a meeting, a person raised a very controversial issue.

Rather than crumbling, she navigated through the answer while maintaining a calm and collected demeanor.

You know, her solution to the problem made sense, and the person was glad he came.

I heard Cindy acknowledge the many issues facing people like the gondola, speeding on streets, crime and the effects of crime.

She focuses on what to do that is best for citizens.

Also, she's willing to look at a variety of solutions and not quickly lock into a single solution.

She weighs the options reasonably.

That's a talent most do not have.

Cindy shows her concerns for the citizens by being very conservative with tax dollars.

Of course, she realizes people want to receive quality services like Sandy Cleanup.

She fought to keep the Sandy cleanup, and everyone I've spoken to is happy with the result.

However, that means sometimes people aren't going to be happy.

In conclusion, Sandy needs people like Cindy who fight for citizens, solve problems calmly under pressure, people that are honest and do what they say, people that strive to navigate difficulties with a clear head while being open to possible solutions and show respect to those they work and serve.

Thank you, Curtis.

Okay, the final is from Kathleen King.

Says, please read aloud the following for the meeting tonight.

Is anyone ever going to address holistic farming for the health of our community?

Please let's get back to work.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Kathleen King.

Madam Chair, I didn't receive any other uh written comments that are requested to be read tonight.

All right, thank you.

Um then we will go ahead and conclude the public comment portion for this meeting and bring it back to the agenda.

Um before we go to the next item, I would like to ask the council, how are we feeling about continuing with the workshop?

Um it is something that the the staff would like to conclude by the end of the year, and so we'd like to we only have two meetings left after this one for the year.

I just want to make sure that everybody is okay to continue and feels that we will be able to be productive in this meeting.

Um or is there desire to have it at a different time?

Councilmember Houseman.

Thank you, madam chair.

Um do we have thoughts on the length and the energy we will need to put into the conversations?

I'm gonna defer to staff.

In terms of length, it's uh a guess, but I would say an hour and a half, and we do have an exercise plan that will require some active participation and conversation for sure.

So I would say if you're filling up to that this evening, fantastic, let's do it.

We're prepared and we're ready to move forward.

If there's a preference to do it another evening, I'm okay with that.

I would ask that we do it uh at one of our remaining meetings, and if it's an option, maybe we could set aside that in that entire meeting.

I know we don't have a lot on the agenda on the 16th.

Maybe we can move some items around.

That's just my opinion, though.

Um, you guys, whatever you decide to do, we're I'm okay with personally.

Since I asked the question, uh my preference would be I want to be at my best for an hour and a half active something.

Second that is it's such an important topic.

We've put a lot of energy into it so far.

Um I think there's been a lot too.

Yeah, there we go.

Thank you, Councilmember House and Council Member Robinson.

Thank you, madam chair, and and I appreciate you asking the council for feedback on this.

I think had we not had the closed session also scheduled for tonight, I probably would be inclined to push forward.

But where we have both, um, you know, our our closed sessions tend to get really really meaty, and so I I would recommend that we do punt it to a future meeting.

Councilmember Meekham.

I agree.

Okay.

Well, with that, do we need a motion to move it to a different tonight?

Are we okay?

It's up to you guys.

You're you're okay to take I don't think you need to take make a motion to table it or anything.

Um again, if we can just put it on one of the meetings in December, we would appreciate that as staff because we have a put a lot of effort into it.

Yes, thank you.

And and recognizing that, you know, we definitely want to make sure that we're all prepared to uh work through everything that you have for us.

So thank you for being flexible with us too.

Um residency report.

I apologize if there are residents here for the housing meeting.

Um we will be having that at most likely the 16th is kind of what I've heard.

Either the what is it, the ninth or the 16th, um, but it will be on the agenda.

We will let everybody know.

Um thank you very much for coming tonight and supporting us in this council meeting.

Um with that then, we have standing reports and then a possible closed session to discuss property, excuse me.

So we'll go ahead and move through standing reports first.

Um, starting with you, Mr.

Pratt.

Thank you, madam chair.

Uh I'm I won't jump too much into the agenda planning calendar other than to mention that we do have a couple cancellations for the upcoming Thanksgiving holiday and for our holiday dinner on the second.

Um I want to remind you all we have our interviews for our public utilities management study on Thursday.

And I know not all of you are able to attend, and that's okay.

Uh, if you can't attend, you can still participate in the selection process.

Justin has sent you an email that includes uh the scoring sheet and what we ask.

I know this is this is crunch time, but if you can please get that to us by the end of the day tomorrow.

That is that is the deadline.

And the reason we're asking for that is because since not everybody's gonna participate in the interview, we again want to give you all the opportunity to participate in the scoring at least, and so we need all of those before we go into the interviews.

Once you send them to Justin, uh that's your locked-in score.

Unless during the interview, you wish to make some changes.

And you're fine.

If you're if you're in the interview and you would like to make change adjustments to your scoring, you can.

But we just need we still need them by Wednesday night.

So please send them to Justin.

Justin, did I miss anything?

No, he's not in here.

Okay.

I don't think I missed anything related to that.

Send him your score sheets.

If you have any questions, go ahead and reach out to us and we'll plan on holding the interviews.

There will be two interview panels.

We'll kind of do it the same way that we did the fire studies.

We'll have council members split up on each panel.

There won't be a quorum in either.

We'll have public utility staff split on each panel.

We'll have council staff split on each panel.

And I did miss something I'm just remembering.

We will not have time for everybody to ask, you know, 10 questions.

The consultants will be joining virtually.

What we would like you to do is come up with two or three questions that you're interested in with the plan to answer or to ask one of them.

We'll go around the room and each uh panelist will have the opportunity to ask a question.

If somebody asks the question that you had written down, that's why I'm suggesting that you have two or three ready to go.

And then the last thing is we we believe we understand who is coming and who's not coming.

But if you are coming when originally you answered that you weren't available for this Thursday, let us know just so we can make sure to have uh everybody down uh accurately.

With that, are there any questions?

I know I don't usually call for questions on this, but are there any questions about the the interviews or that process that I can answer right now?

Okay, perfect.

Well, thank you all so much, and that is the end of my report.

Thank you, Mr.

Fratto.

Um, is there any council member business this evening?

Okay.

Anybody?

I think you're saying you don't I have not been indicated, nobody's indicated at this point, so I'm looking this way now.

Okay, council member Strouders.

Um we had a historic committee meeting last week, and you know, they're still just very energetic and looking at um possibly redefining what's um you know they have contributing structures, you know, what that might be, and then looking at what that historic mile really is.

So, you know, they're still just uh charging hard forward with it, um, you know, in a very energetic, um, you know, an excited group.

Uh next I have uh so this uh the youth council was uh took a tour over at public works.

So you know, thank you, Mr.

Cump.

Uh I know Ms.

Ward was there, um, gave a lot of information.

Uh you know, they were able to tour around, take a look at uh you know the the new fleet building and see um you know what what we used to have and what we have now.

And they were very appreciative, you know, of looking at going, oh my gosh, you you take care of so much in the city.

So you know that was uh interesting, you know, coming from high school students to be able to acknowledge that, you know, and and uh and appreciative to it.

Um you know, on a on a little bit of a tangent, they uh they talked about so Dan Yates uh talked about that having so the council should be able to you know hear this and it's and it's good feedback.

Um, with uh the larger base at the end, they were able to bring in one of the uh the fire trucks and raise up the ladder there and get underneath the vehicle, which they were unable to do in the past.

And crawling underneath that vehicle, they realized that there were several um stress cracks throughout the frame.

And so they were able to send that off and have that, and that it is now being worked on at a you know at one of the facilities, but that was not something that they were able to do in the past because they didn't have a facility where they could get underneath um our fire truck.

So, you know, that's just a you know one thing that you know really goes to what they're doing and you know and our um support of you and your department and with those employees.

Um I know Ms.

Sharky and I were able to attend the coat drive, you know, over at uh River Oaks and seeing you know, food being contributed, clothing being contributed, you know, especially this time of year.

Um, and you know, and a lot of people that were uncertain over the past month and a half, you know, needing those services.

So, you know, like Katie Atkinson always does an amazing job putting things like that together, you know.

River Oaks, um, you know, doing a good job with that.

I know we saw you there as well, you know, checking things out, and also thanks to administration on on us supporting that, and then on Saturday, uh Coffee of the Cups.

So, you know, that was a hit once again.

Um, you know, the parking was a little different, but it being there right on 90 South, having you know, officers all the way up to uh um chief and uh and a couple of captains, you know, uh you know that were there and uh the residents that came out, you know, and enjoyed connecting with with the department, um, you know, and then officers being able to connect with residents.

So that was a very successful, you know, round two in the past couple of months of uh Coffee with a cop.

So but uh that is all I have for now.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Councilmember DeK.

I don't have much to say, but just given the residents that came out.

I do I am kind of surprised given the experience this council's had that we're not willing to take this up seemingly.

But I do think that the election happened during this body, and I would hope that we would address it.

Um whether or not the pledge was broken and what we might do about that, but also I want to talk about uh the financial reporting requirements for PACs.

Um, and so I have reached out through the executive director to the chair to get that on a future agenda, and I would hope that we would be able to deliberate on those items as a body uh before the new year.

Thank you.

Councilmember Sharkey, and then I'll finish up and then we'll go to the administrative branch.

I'll do four meetings super fast.

Art skilled, the four um plays in this coming year, 2026, are going to be the importance of being earnest, high school musical junior will be the youth production, so that should be cute.

Uh, frozen and tuck everlasting.

Um I went to the UDOT traction press conference.

I think the takeaway on that one that was a surprise to me was um they issued last year 22,000 stickers, and so you get pre-approved for you need tire tread of at least 530 seconds, and you get a free sticker and a fast pass up and up the canyon.

So they're hoping that even more people participate this coming year that will make things easier on our police officers who will not have to stop every car and look at every tire.

So it'll serve everybody a really good purpose.

I'll do LPC really fast.

We're still projecting on what's going to be coming next year, but the legislature and the governor have kind of indicated what their priorities are going to be in next year's legislative session, and it seems to be cost of living, and that looks like it's going to play out in property taxes.

There seems to be an interest in some of the legislators on making adjustments, limitations, restrictions, things like that on property taxes.

It's a little bit of a it's a concern for us.

Um they're asking that we reach out to our legislators and at least prime the pump a little bit on an understanding about this is an important vehicle for us, and setting any limits on property tax increases or things like that could be really restrictive and really harmful for us.

So separation of powers is going to be an issue for them, energy, homelessness, and housing.

Um had a convention facilities advisory board meeting.

Um I was really encouraged, you guys, by the fact that the county has put out a study.

They're high they've hired a consultant and are asking for a study to be taken on, and it'll be conducted over the next two months on convention facilities needs in the county.

And I'm hopeful that what it shows is that there will be a big expansion of the Expo Center, especially in consideration of the with the fact that the Salt Palace will be under construction for years, and when it is rebuilt, it'll be smaller than the existing facility.

So we're hoping that what it'll show isn't in consideration of that, and because we already have an existing facility here in Sandy that was built for expansion, that they'll pull the trigger on expansion here, and hopefully not only doing expanding the floor space for more shows, but maybe the ability to actually turn it into a convention facility.

Um, and do you know that that whole side of convention business, the business convention side of it, which is really helpful, requires hotels, requires a different setup, something different than the more transient uh expos.

So I'm excited to see that coming.

An interesting little factoid that they shared.

They're using a um software program that's going to be implemented in at the Expo Center as well next year.

And this is an AI platform that is it's software platform that is really informative and really helpful.

One of the things it does is some facial recognition and some recognition of different facts that are not always accurate but are helpful, like weapons detection and things like that, which always have to be vetted because there's no 100% perfection.

But the FBI arrested using that nine known pedophiles that had crossed state lines to go to FANEX to meet underage people at FANEX.

So this has all kinds of helpful ramifications, but also safety issues.

Did they happen or not?

So anyway, some interesting things, and we'll have this at the Expo Center as well.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Councilmember Sharkey.

Really quick, I'll I just want to say we're kind of pre-Thanksgiving, so I'm gonna give a little bit of a gratitude speech here, especially since we have two council members who I've served with for almost four years, who will be moving on to greater things, I imagine.

And just say thank you to everybody.

Um, my fellow colleagues, uh, the administration, the staff, all of the residents that come that I've gotten to know over the years, um, our staff, our our counsel to the council, especially.

Um, just thank you.

I I appreciate all of us, everybody that came and spoke tonight, and last week and the week before, and every week that I've been here, um, I hear you.

Uh whether or not I'm I'm actively taking notes, you know, or not.

I I hear you.

Um, I want to give everybody the respect that I feel that they deserve that I feel that we are given when when we're up here in this spot um to um to hear you, and I look forward genuinely to my service for the next four years with this body with some new members to this body and with the administration.

And so um, I don't know, I'm feeling really excited about what the future holds, and I just want to say thank you to every single one of you.

I appreciate you.

Um, Madam Mayor.

Thank you.

Um I've got a very newsy report, so it's gonna I'm gonna ask for a little bit of time here.

First, last week we had uh retirement announcements on announcing that Chief Severson is leaving us after uh 30 years of um distinguished career here at Sandy City, and there will be times for the honoring, and I think we have something on an upcoming agenda for December 9th to recognize Chief Severson.

So I'd invite all of our residents to please begin your reflections and come to that city council meeting so we can give the chief the honor he deserves.

But uh the reason I'm referencing that is because that calls for a decision on the transition in our police department in anticipation of the chief's retirement on December 26th.

And I've sent the council uh an email earlier tonight noticing that Captain John Arnold has been named as the interim chief of police for Sandy Police Department.

Many of us know Captain Arnold, he's here with us today in uh in many Tuesday nights.

Captain Arnold is uh has over 25 years of experience with our department.

He's currently over the patrol division, he served as the department public information officer and has been integral in implementing communications updates and software solutions through that uh save time, make our officers better at solving and preventing crime.

He has the support not only of our police administration but also of our frontline troops, and so I'm pleased to inform you that Captain Arnold has accepted the position of interim chief, and also with us tonight is Captain Corey Hess, who's also in the back with Captain Arnold.

Captain Hess well will has agreed to well, his retirement was imminent, and out of a deep sense of loyalty to the department, supporting his chief, Chief Sieverson supporting interim chief uh interim chief Arnold, he has agreed to extend his service to Sandy City uh through the end of 2026, and we'll then step into the position of deputy chief to aid in the transition, the leadership, the stability of the department.

So we are so grateful to Captain Arnold to Captain Hess and for your uh leadership at this critical time in our city.

Public safety is our number one obligation to our residents, it's something that we are all sealed in commitment to bring to Sandy and to have the strength of leadership, the depth of leadership, and the readiness of leadership in the Sandy Police Department speaks volumes for not only Chief Sieverson's leadership, but all of the support of the officers of the Sandy Police Department.

So if we could just recognize this imminent transition and give our leadership team here a big round of applause.

So that is a very important announcement, and I wanted to do that one first.

Also, we had uh had two retirement announcements in the since our last meeting last Tuesday.

Deputy Mayor Kimberly Bell will her last day of service will be December 1st.

I want to thank Deputy Mayor Bell for 30 years of distinguished career and service to Sandy as my deputy mayor administration serving as a legislative affairs director for the city.

She's been instrumental in uh shaping decisions that and that really make a difference in the lives of the city.

Also, Dan Medina, our parks director has announced his intended retirement as of December 29th after 37 years of service.

So thank you to Dan Medina, and we will also be recognizing these retirements as we go forward, but I just want the community to know that we are losing some very key people after very distinguished proud careers with the city.

So those transitions are will be felt by all of us for a long time.

Now to the mayor's report.

We had a very successful welcome turnout with perfect weather on Saturday for Coffee with a Cop and Pastries with the PU on Saturday, November 15th.

It was a great opportunity for residents who live in District One, particularly in the historic district, to come together to meet our officers and to enjoy copies of pastries and camaraderie and talk about public safety, which is always on our minds.

So thanks for the turnout.

We are scheduling a neighborhood watch meeting information night the first week of December, so stay tuned for the dates.

We're having a little struggle getting the just the right location, so we're still working on that.

So details will be forthcoming.

Thanks to everybody that is donating to the coat and food drive.

The bins are set up at River Oaks at our parks and recreation building and at City Hall at the South Entrance.

So that's down the stairs.

Many people are planning to run the human race on Thanksgiving morning.

We have about 20,000 visitors who come to shoot the promenade for the race, so that's uh to support the food bank.

So please get your donations in early so we have uh we can we can deliver a lot of food for them at that time.

Upcoming dates of note the oath of office ceremony for the mayor will be is uh will take place this coming January 5th at Alta High School at 11 a.m.

All are welcome to attend.

And let's see.

Now to the remarks over the last couple weeks.

I've given this a lot of thought.

I do want to share some reflections.

I'm very grateful for the honor to serve this community, to work with the council, to be in public service is the greatest honor of my life.

It is a calling, it is uh not for the pay, it is for the dedication for the vision, for the hope to move our city forward together.

And over the past two weeks, after a very grueling campaign, we've seen our council chambers reflect the emotion of a long and difficult campaign.

Uh residents who felt hurt or misled have spoken out, and this week others have come forward in support of their council member candidate.

And these strong, passionate expressions shows how deeply our community cares about integrity in our local government and how important it is that we begin the work of healing our community.

Campaigns can leave lasting wounds, negative tactics, misinformation, personal attacks.

They divide, they erode trust.

I myself didn't sign a pledge, uh, but I took every step and made every decision I could to lead so that I was always a mayor that the students that I visit with in our Sandy schools could be proud of.

That's my barometer to be a decent human being, to treat people with fairness and respect.

And you know, when you're a candidate, you have a lot of people offering advice and expertise and chirping in your ear and saying how you know every punch deserves a counterpunch.

Uh, it was a risk for me to run the campaign the way I did to stay focused on the issues, to not respond in kind, and it got pretty nasty.

It was not fun, it was not easy.

Um it hurt me personally, it cost me a lot of.

I felt like I aged a decade in the last three months alone.

It's not a side that you see because candidates, we want to be proud, we want to be noble, and we don't want to be a I don't know, like a complainer in victory.

And I certainly have not done that.

Nor has what we've seen happen at City Council been a coordinated attack or coordinated bullying campaign is suggested tonight.

Not at all.

In fact, in leadership, sometimes you have issues that resonate across the community.

And you see people coming in from divergence group groups to speak of one voice on the issue.

That's what we've seen these last two weeks.

People who didn't know each other, didn't know each other before the campaign, the negative tone from particularly this Sandy residence pack, and it hasn't stopped since the election.

And I expect we're gonna see more.

And demanding accountability, demanding PACs who weigh in so expensively and heavily in our campaign, it requires accountability from this body.

Now, I've told the council and I've told Ms.

Sharkey privately what I think should happen, and I hope we'll work that out.

But I don't think anybody should be criticized for demanding accountability, especially if we want to see our future campaigns moving in a more positive direction.

And that's certainly what I want.

The vote tonight was certified 61.32 percent, biggest margin of my career.

I won just by 21 votes the last time.

I thought I was gonna be clawing to maintain a 21 vote lead.

When you're in the middle of it, it's hard to see the forest for the tree.

So really at the end of the day, the only thing that you have is your barometer, what's right, what's fair, what's decent.

So that's what guided me, and that's what guides me every day.

And I'm really proud to say it's been successful, and I'm really proud to say the people of Sandy have endorsed it, and I'm very grateful to the supporters of Ms.

Sharkey who said, hey, we're gonna support you, Mayor Z.

Um that election didn't go our way, and I expect my supporters would have said the same thing had the election gone differently.

Uh we want to come together after an election, but we need to navigate this aftermath.

It is it was extreme, it was egregious, it wasn't typical.

The typical political norms, those were out the window.

Recording in progress.

Um politic political the partisanship of this campaign.

We are in a non-partisan election.

We as Sandy residents need to defend the last hope that we have to work together for solutions regardless of political affiliation on the national level.

Potholes don't have part political parties.

I don't think anybody wants police or fire response to be determined based on who we want in the White House.

There has to be some safe space for problem solving and really digging in together.

So that's what I hope we can do.

We can insist on transparency and ethical conduct.

We must regulate PACs that come in and spend big money, whether it's political parties or self-appointed uh guardians of Sandy resident voices that have such deceptive, aggressive, and relentless funding and campaigns, they are not accountable.

Try to find out what they've spent on dozen, half dozen mailers and emails.

You can't.

So to raise it as an issue to this body that has the power to regulate, I think that's appropriate.

No one is saying Miss Sharkey doesn't love Sandy, she has her strengths, she is responsive to the community, she is a leader in her neighborhood.

She has helped many people.

I have a lot of respect for her track record.

That's why it was such a disconnect.

And I think it's okay to talk about it and do it in a way, but we're committed to solving problems together, so we don't have a repeat of this.

So no one is blasting or doing a character smear.

They're saying this was beyond the pale what we've experienced.

And if we don't want it again, now's the time to do something, Mr.

DeKaiser.

You're right before the end of the year.

It's this generation of leadership that witnessed it, that felt the burn.

You're in the best position to do something about it.

Sandy is strongest when we choose unity over division, integrity over intimidation, and community over conflict.

I spend every day of my uh job as mayor building community.

I want us to be strong to lead according to Sandy values always at the forefront every day, and how we respond in the coming weeks will define whether we do that successfully or the next term or my next four years, which I I'm hopeful.

Councilmember T'SUSE, I share your optimism.

I thank you for meeting with me for talking about our shared goals.

I thank all of the council members for answering my messages.

Uh I've reached out to the incoming council members.

I'm really hopeful.

I know we can do it.

So let's take a breath.

I do not want this to continue for weeks to drag on for weeks.

The longer it takes to resolve this, the more it will expose this wound.

We need to heal and come together.

For my part, I am committed.

Thank you.

Thank you for offering your opinions, Mayor.

Madam Chair.

Yes.

So I'm I'm not sure why, but a couple of minutes ago, our Zoom meeting crashed, as you guys saw.

I don't know if this there's a problem with the internet.

It was so riveting.

You broke the internet, Madam Mayor.

So I I'm not sure.

We've tried to rejoin the meeting, and it's telling us that there's an error and it can't rejoin.

I don't know what's going on with Zoom in the last couple of weeks.

Uh but yes, it's I can't restart it either.

So I don't have a way to put that on the record.

At this point, I would suggest that we just end the meeting.

I know there's no more, nothing else that really needs to take place, but um I so it because it's not being recorded, and from an OTMA and state law standpoint, we should be done.

I would suggest that we I mean make a motion to end the meeting, but are we gonna go?

Yeah, oh yes, yes, we can we do have a closed session.

So uh what would the attorney suggest here since we cannot record this right now?

We we should we should be able to record the closed session, it's a different meeting.

I guess if we get there and we have an issue, we can address it at that point.

But can we just record it with an with one of the week phones that we have and we can do that?

We can do that again.

Yeah.

And then perhaps the mayor, if she has written if her comments were written, she could give those to the clerk who could include her comments that in the within with the notes.

That would be fantastic.

Yes.

And we can note in the minutes that there was an issue in the time that it occurred.

So Chris, if you want to make a note that's and then mayor, if you could provide us with your comments in writing so we can make them part of the record, that'd be fantastic.

Yeah, would you like the condensed or the extended version?

Ver verbatim, please.

No, no, I'm just kidding.

I just um and so I would suggest, yeah, let's let's move into the closed session.

So if somebody wants to make a motion there, I think we're okay.

We should be good.

All right.

Um that sounds good.

Then I move that we move into a closed session to discuss the purchase exchange or lease of real property.

Um, this will be held in the city council conference room here.

Um dismissed.

We adjured in there, right?

But we'll adjourn.

Yeah.

Yeah, we don't need to include a motion to adjourn right now.

Okay.

Um sounds good.

We have a motion and a second.

Um it's a roll call vote.

Roll call vote, yes.

Yeah, go ahead, Ms.

Edwards.

Um Ms.

Tasusa, yes.

Mr.

Mika.

Yes.

Mr.

DeKaiser.

Yes.

Ms.

Stroud, yes.

Mr.

Robinson.

Yes.

Ms.

Houseman, yes.

Ms.

Sharkey.

Yes.

Madam Chair, that motion carried seven to zero.

Thank you very much.

So who um Mr.

Pays will be in the closed session.

May we have Dan Nelson, our property manager, and Brian Kelly, our administrative services director.

Thank you.

Talk about your public places.

Oh my gosh.

No.

I got a full confidence here.