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Sandy City Council Meeting Summary - December 9, 2025

Meeting PortalTuesday, December 9, 2025
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DateTuesday, December 9, 2025
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0:03

If everybody could have a seat, please.

0:46

Madam Chair, we're ready to get started whenever you're ready.

1:14

Recording in progress.

1:34

Thank you.

2:27

All right, everyone, welcome.

2:30

It is now 5 15 or shortly thereafter, and I'd like to welcome everybody to the Sandy City Council meeting this evening, December 9th.

2:38

We're gonna go ahead and begin with a prayer and a pledge.

2:42

Do I have any volunteers tonight that would like to give um the prayer before the meeting?

2:48

Mr.

2:49

Pace.

2:58

Grateful for um the rich blessings that this community has.

3:03

We're grateful for uh the opportunity to be here tonight.

3:07

We're grateful, Father, for the people that we are going to recognize tonight for their uh many years of service to this community, and we ask uh thy blessings upon them that they would uh uh reap the benefits of all those efforts through the years.

3:22

We also are grateful for our elected officials and pray for them tonight as they consider um issues and make decisions.

3:30

Please be with them and help them.

3:32

We pray uh uh for our community that we can stay um together as a community and can be united in purpose, and we say this in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

3:44

Thank you, Mr.

3:45

Pace.

3:46

And if everybody will rise and repeat the Pledge of Allegiance along with me.

3:52

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one.

4:10

Thank you everyone.

4:11

Uh now we're gonna go ahead and take a moment for introductions, and we'll start over here with our council executive director.

4:17

Thank you, Madam Chair.

4:18

Uh my name's Dustin Fratto, I'm the with the City Council office.

4:22

Uh there's a one other council staff member in the back of the room, Liz Terriel.

4:28

I'm Tracy Cadell, I'm counsel for the council.

4:31

Chris Edwards with the council office.

4:33

Zach Robinson, District Three.

4:35

Ryan Meekham, District One.

4:37

Brooke D'Asouza at large.

4:39

Alison Stroud, District Two.

4:41

Erin DeKaiser at large.

4:42

Cindy Sharkey at large.

4:45

Hi, I'm Mayor Monica Zoltanski.

4:48

I'm Shane Pay, City Administrator.

4:50

Lynn Pace, City Attorney.

4:53

All right, great.

4:54

Um that brings us into our agenda.

4:56

I just want to quickly address the general citizen comment period.

5:00

We will be taking general citizen comment no sooner than 6 p.m.

5:02

And so at an appropriate time during the meeting after 6 p.m.

5:06

We'll come back to this segment.

5:08

If you are interested in making public comment and you are here in the room, there are blue cards in the back of the room.

5:14

Please fill them out and bring them up here to Dustin.

5:17

If you're online, you will be asked to raise your hand at that time, and we will call on you after we've gotten through our in-room commenters.

5:26

And everybody at that point will be given three minutes to speak.

5:31

Now we're gonna go ahead and go into our agenda.

5:34

So we do have some really amazing special recognitions here today.

5:38

The first one, we are the council administration are issuing a joint recognition of Wayne Niederhauser for his service to Sandy City.

5:45

And so Mr.

5:46

Niederhauser and Mayor, if you want to join me in the front of the dais for that.

6:00

Okay, see here we go.

6:06

Okay.

6:07

Welcome, Wayne.

6:08

For those who uh don't know the man who needs no introduction, Wayne Niederhauser, our state homeless services coordinator, Sandy resident, and proud public servant to the city and to the state uh for decades.

6:22

Thank you so much for your leadership and on the eve of your retirement of service to the governor and to the state and to the people of Sandy.

6:29

Uh the city council and I have issued a joint proclamation.

6:35

So it's a little bit long.

6:36

It's hard to encapsulate this man's uh service and accomplishments in an eight and a half by eleven.

6:43

So please bear with me.

6:45

Okay, so this is a joint proclamation of the mayor and city council of Sandy, Utah, honoring Wayne Neederhauser for a distinguished public service.

6:52

Whereas Wayne Neederhaushauser has exemplified a lifelong commitment to public service, civic leadership, and community betterment through the state of Utah and within the city of Sandy.

7:03

And I'll skip the whereas.

7:05

Uh and Mr.

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Neederhouser, honorably represented Sandy during more than 12 years in the Utah State Senate from 2006 to 2018, including six years as Senate president from 2013 to 2019, where he advanced public policy, fiscal stewardship, and community-centered governance.

7:23

And Mr.

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Niederhauser served nearly five years as Utah's first state homeless coordinator, providing groundbreaking leadership in addressing one of Utah's most challenging social issues.

7:33

And in that role, he helped establish the Office of Homeless Services, spearheaded Utah's first statewide plan to address homelessness, and secured appropriations for shelter cities, including Sandy City for support services.

7:48

And Mr.

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Niederhauser coordinated statewide winter homeless shelter capacity, strengthening regional partnerships, and securing multi-county funding to support emergency and seasonal shelter programs.

8:02

And he worked collaboratively with state, local, and nonprofit partners to secure land for homeless service campuses, critical foundations for long-term solutions for individuals experiencing homelessness.

8:28

Exemplify the highest ideals of public service and have created an enduring legacy for Sandy City and the state of Utah.

8:35

Now, therefore, we Monica Zoltanski, Mayor of Sandy City, together with the Sandy City Council to hereby recognize and honor Wayne Niederhauser for his extraordinary career of service, vision, and dedication to improving the lives of Utah's.

8:51

We extend our deepest appreciation for his leadership and the lasting positive impact he has made in areas of housing, homeless services, economic development, health and community well-being.

9:03

It is therefore read, signed and ordered this ninth day of December 2025, and it's signed by uh Monica Zoltansky as Mayor and Brooke D'Souza, City Council Chair.

9:12

Congratulations, Wayne.

9:14

That's my honor to present that to you.

9:15

Thank you.

9:25

We also wanted to send you away with a little sandy swag.

9:28

And so there's a little there is a blanket in there to keep warm and a mug that was made by the seniors at our senior center specific for this event.

9:36

So thank you very much.

9:37

And we have a Sandy City Council challenge coin that we wanted to present you as well.

9:45

So thank you so much.

9:46

Thank you very much.

9:47

Much appreciated.

9:48

Thank you.

9:48

Do you have any remote?

9:49

Yes, I was gonna say, would you I we want to invite you to go ahead and make some remarks and then maybe the mayor, if you have any additional remarks, and then we can come down and get a picture.

9:57

First of all, I'll just have my family stand up.

10:01

Uh-oh.

10:09

When you talked about community, you know, the community of the family is the most important part of community.

10:17

And I appreciate the recognition tonight to maybe a little over the top, but uh thank you so much.

10:25

Um it's uh been an amazing experience over the last four almost five years to work with people experiencing homelessness.

10:35

Um nobody's road to recovery happens without housing.

10:41

And we've done a lot of uh progress in creating deeply affordable housing, uh getting people on a pathway to recovery.

10:51

That's what it's that's what it's all about, and create more of an abundance rather than a scarcity for those in that situation.

11:00

We appreciate Sandy so much.

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We lived here since 1987, love this city, love uh uh every part of it.

11:08

It's a great place to live, and so this is a great honor.

11:13

Thank you very much, council members.

11:16

I appreciate it.

11:25

In a beautiful city like Sandy's, many times we forget the need that exists uh throughout the state and the need that exists right here in our city, and there's nobody, nobody that served in public office in Utah that knows that need better than you, Mr.

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Niederhauser.

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You have uh such a great perspective and a personal compassion and commitment to solving the most complex problems that we face as a society as a culture, and every year uh we start anew with the winter overflow plan, and but we've been making incremental progress thanks to your leadership and what you've done for Sandy uh helping us marshal becoming a shelter city, securing resources for our public safety so the residents in our MVP shelter are safe, so our residents are safe, and we are no longer just writing a check, but we are actually taking meaningful steps to save lives and improve lives, and that's so meaningful to all of us who live in Sandy.

12:30

So thank you for your leadership, your tireless advocacy for cities, not just Sandy, but all the shelter cities across the state.

12:38

We owe you a huge debt of gratitude, Wayne.

12:40

Thank you.

12:40

Thank you, Mayor.

12:48

You can set your bag down and then we'll come down.

12:52

Oh, we have to take a picture.

12:55

Then with your family.

13:07

Yes, the metal right there.

13:16

Sorry, you guys didn't have to go.

13:20

Okay.

13:21

Is everyone ready?

13:22

One, two, three.

13:28

Okay, thank you.

13:29

And then with your family, please we can join.

13:31

Yes, please.

13:37

You guys feel in this front row.

13:43

I'm gonna stand next to the sweater.

13:49

You're totally right.

13:50

All right, see everybody?

13:54

Yep, okay.

14:00

Thank you.

14:01

So much for this.

14:05

Thank you.

14:06

Congratulations.

14:06

Appreciate it.

14:07

Enjoy.

14:38

Thank you.

14:38

Before we go ahead and move on to our next agenda item, I just wanted to offer the council an opportunity to uh speak on this item before we close that out if anybody would like to.

14:50

Councilmember Sharkey.

14:52

Thank you, madam chair.

14:54

I remember being in this chamber years ago when another um mayor and council awarded Wayne Niederhauser the key to the city.

15:04

And to me, it just exemplifies the fact that for many years.

15:11

You have been contributing to Sandy City.

15:14

We've been recognizing you and honoring you for all of your accomplishments to us, to the people who live here, to the businesses that exist here.

15:26

We were talking earlier today about how long we've known each other, and and uh Wayne and I became acquainted in 2014, and it was under the most mundane circumstances.

15:37

I was a resident in Willow Creek, just working to annex my neighborhood into Sandy, and Wayne was the Senate president, and I just reached out to him for guidance and support.

15:50

And he came to Willow Creek and wanted to meet with everyone.

15:54

And that kind of responsiveness and accountability and access has persisted throughout all these years that we've known one another.

16:03

And I've noticed it's not only me, it's others as well.

16:07

You are always there when we need you, and you are always supportive of whatever Sandy needs.

16:14

And you will do whatever is with is within your wherewithal to do better by Sandy.

16:20

Um you have consistently earned from what I have noticed and what's evident in your resume, the respect and the trust of the residents that are here, the voters, um, the government members that you've gotten to know that you've earned the trust, the stakeholders and the partners.

16:42

You have amongst all of those groups.

16:45

You have earned the respect, the confidence, and the trust.

16:49

I am so proud to call you my friend, and I am so appreciative for what you have always done for Sandy.

16:57

Um it can't end now.

16:59

We're gonna be expecting more from you, so you know, just be prepared.

17:04

But thank you so much for everything you have always done for our city and the support you've always shown to us.

17:12

We appreciate it so very much.

17:15

Thank you.

17:17

Um I want to go ahead and just say again, thank you so much for the service that you've given over your life, um, both privately and publicly, um, having been in this position now myself, very different than the positions that you've served in, of course, but um public service nonetheless, and one that's you know forward-facing, and um I appreciate uh your willingness to to do it year after year.

17:39

Uh, I feel grateful to be in a city where our elected leadership past and present um are out there and advocating for our needs in the legislature and and in the state through your work with the homeless services.

17:55

Um, I just um it's a it's a heavy lift, and I appreciate the work that you've given over the years, uh, directly benefiting our city.

18:04

Thank you so much.

18:06

Councilmember Strabble.

18:09

Thank you for everything you've done.

18:11

I being, you know, a resident long time, my entire life here of Sandy.

18:16

I remember, you know, several years ago.

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I and always hearing your name, you know, that Senate president, you know, Wayne Niederhauser, in any sort of political forum.

18:26

And then when I was elected to the council, uh, the first time that I met you and I went home and you know, I was kind of talking about it.

18:31

I think I was on the phone with my dad, and I mentioned, you know, he said, wait, wait, Wayne Niederhauser, you met him.

18:39

It was just this like this icon, you know, of awe.

18:43

And and knowing that you are such a um a common name here in Sandy, where you have been involved in so many things and have made so much change for our community, and now working at the state level with or continuing at the state level, but looking at the homeless services and how to change that and hoping that that is going to be something that is a model that'll be seen throughout the country, and working on what we can do to better the lives of those that that are experiencing homelessness that that have come across a hard time in their life, and you are tackling that and looking at that head on and what you have done and what you're going to do with that.

19:23

Um, you know, it's just it just continues your legacy with that name.

19:28

You know, it's an incredible name and and what you've been able to do.

19:32

Thank you for all of that, and looking forward to you know what's what's yet to come.

19:36

Thank you.

19:38

Councilmember De Kaiser.

19:40

Oh, thank you, Madam Chair.

19:41

I just want to uh reiterate something that Mr.

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Niederhauser said, he said nobody's road to recovery begins without housing.

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Um and it's so true.

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I actually have a very close friend who has found himself on this road, and I would have never expected it.

20:00

Literally, it's like a very close friend that, like holy cow, and these people can slip out of society so fast.

20:03

And so truly, I am so grateful to you for all the work you did to ensure that Sandy became a shelter city through the MVP uh decades of service to the city and state.

20:16

Thank you.

20:16

Thank you very much, and thanks thanks so much to your family.

20:19

It's a true family effort.

20:21

Thank you.

20:22

Thank you, Councilmember Meekham.

20:28

Boy, um we've known each other.

20:31

I always trying to remember it's somewhere between 20 and 25 years.

20:35

And um I, you know, there's one thing that I can say about Wayne is that over the course of time.

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Um I I mean, what was always obvious to me for the beginning was that you had a real servant's heart.

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Uh, but what I would say over the course of time, um, what you've done on the homeless front, your compassion and your ability to work with others, you've always been able to work with other people.

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You've always been able to bring people together.

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And and it's not everybody that would take on such uh a difficult issue and and come through it with having accomplished so many great things.

21:12

One of the things that I'm um most excited about over the last handful of years has been uh working with the medically vulnerable population that we have and been able to put that something together, and I don't think that would have happened without you.

21:24

So not only have you contributed a great deal uh by bringing people together, but for providing for things for people who I'm not sure will ever know who was such a linchpin in putting that together.

21:38

So thank you.

21:40

Thank you, Councilmember Robinson.

21:42

Thank you, Madam Chair.

21:43

I get to be the uh the cleanup hitter here and just basically say everything that everybody said uh again.

21:49

Uh I just I just want to express my appreciation, Wayne, for your work.

21:53

Um, you helped our city get through an incredibly challenging issue that we were faced, and uh you were wonderful to work with during that entire process.

22:04

Um so I I just want to express appreciation for the work you've done in that community, but also uh right after I was elected, um, you asked me to come sit with you at the Senate, and I was able to sit next to you as you presided over the Senate uh like like a week after inauguration, or you know, shortly after that.

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It was really close to that.

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And so I just I'll always remember that experience, and you know, that was just because of you and the work that you've done in the Senate.

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Uh, but you also were you had the wherewithal to think of like, hey, I'm gonna invite this guy up that I don't know uh to sit next to me, and and I'll never forget that.

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It was really cool.

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I haven't done it again, so it's been the only time.

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So I'm not gonna do it again, I promise you.

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Um but uh no, thank thanks for for all the work you've done, and again, just my appreciation for your efforts and enjoy the days ahead.

22:52

I hope you get to ski and golf and do all the things that you enjoy doing, and and we'll other people will take up the issues and and and keep the football moving forward.

23:01

So thank you for your work.

23:04

Thank you, Councilmember.

23:05

All right, well, we will go ahead and close out item number one then, and we have another uh really special recognition.

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We're gonna begin that one with a video.

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So, Liz, when you were ready, um go ahead and pull that up.

23:23

And madam chair, just uh we're we're going a little out of order on the as what's on the agenda as well, correct?

23:30

Just maybe mention that if you don't mind.

23:32

Yes, we are going a little out of order from what the agenda shows.

23:36

Thank you.

23:45

Our police chief Greg Seberson.

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Chief Seberson is a rare breed.

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He has one of the broadest ranges of experience that you're gonna find in law enforcement from patrol investigations, crime suppression, SWAT team technical skills.

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He understands what our officers are facing out there.

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Chief Sieberson has a genuine love for the people of Sandy that's earned him the trust of our entire community.

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He stepped into the role of chief under incredibly difficult circumstances after the sudden passing of his friend and mentor, our former chief Bill O'Neill.

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In a moment of grief and uncertainty that could have sidelined our department.

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He brought steady guidance to the department, which has thrived ever since.

24:23

Hey Chief, congratulations on your retirement.

24:26

I'm super happy for you.

24:27

You've done such a great job here.

24:29

I really appreciate your mentorship and how great you've been to me.

24:35

I enjoyed working for you, and I wish you the best of luck.

24:39

I want to say congratulations.

24:42

Made it 30 years.

24:45

I just wanted to say thanks.

24:47

Obviously, you were my first officer I knew from Sandy, been a mentor for me throughout my career.

24:55

Just wanted to congratulate you on 30 years.

24:58

It's been truly a pleasure to work with you.

25:01

Of all the time I've been at Sandy and all the chiefs, you know, I've gotten to know you've truly been my favorite.

25:08

The best one that I've had the opportunity to work with.

25:10

You're just a great human being, great person.

25:13

You're going to be missed.

25:15

You have made me look so good in the eyes of so many people.

25:22

You've taken this department from where it was six years ago with your leadership, your direction, and your guidance into the department that it is today.

25:31

Sandy residents, businesses, employees are very fortunate to have you here.

25:42

And now you're leaving.

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You're retiring.

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Hope the future brings everything that you want it to.

25:50

For your family and for yourself.

25:52

You will be missed.

25:55

The chance that I've had to work with him has been a really great experience for me.

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I've had absolute trust in him and absolute confidence that our community was safe.

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Personally, I developed a really close relationship with him.

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And I will really miss the opportunity to continue to work with him.

26:20

Just wanted to wish you a great retirement.

26:23

Congratulations on a long 30-year career.

26:26

And I'm so excited for you, a little bit jealous.

26:30

And just want to say thank you for all the support through the years, the friendship, the relationship that you fostered with the fire department, which is so important to me.

26:42

Love that we get along our two departments so well.

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So I wish you the best with your family and all the things that you will be doing in the next uh stage of your life.

26:54

Congratulations on your retirement.

26:56

I just want to say thank you, thank you for everything you've done for us and for stepping up to be chief when we needed you.

27:02

You've brought this department a very long ways.

27:06

We haven't been working together long, but I am glad that you decided to give me the chance to work for Sandy PD.

27:14

Thank you for everything you've done for the department and everything that you've done for me personally, and have a great retirement.

27:20

Chief Saberson, it's been great to get to know you during cabinet and during our communication projects.

27:25

And I really appreciate how level-headed you are and your problem-solving abilities and your sense of humor.

27:32

And we are really going to miss you.

27:35

So I hope you have the best retirement and that this next chapter is everything that you hope for.

27:43

And just happy retirement and don't be a stranger.

27:46

I want to thank you for everything you've done for not the police department as a whole, but personally for me.

27:52

I hope you get to come back and check on us, make sure we're doing good for you.

27:57

It's been fun working with you.

27:59

Appreciate the, you know, the willingness to listen, especially on the union side of stuff.

28:04

It's not gonna be the same place without you, but care about you, wish you well and good luck.

28:10

I'm so excited for you for your retirement.

28:12

Cheers.

28:13

Love you.

28:14

Hope you uh enjoy your return.

28:15

Hey Chief, thank you for everything that you do for all of us.

28:19

You're always taking care of the troops.

28:21

We uh we appreciate it.

28:22

Thank you for for everything you did.

28:24

I've gotten to hear some of the stories from before you were a chief, and I wish I would have had the opportunity to work with you then.

28:32

But thank you for everything that you did.

28:35

Hey, Chief, I just wanted to say thank you for the past 20 years.

28:38

It has been absolutely fantastic to get to work with you.

28:41

Thank you.

28:42

Appreciate all the uh guidance and leadership from over the years.

28:46

I miss our trips out to Wendover and poker nights and all that fun jazz.

28:50

Here is wishing you the best in your retirement, and uh call me if you go to Wendover.

28:55

Just wanted to say, you know, we didn't get to spend that much time working together throughout our career, but when you made chief, you definitely made an impact on our police department, and I just wanted to say thank you very much and have a wonderful next step in your in your life.

29:14

Just want to say congratulations.

29:18

Retirement is well deserved and well-earned, and over my 13 years, I've worked for a sheriff and uh three other previous chiefs, and and uh you've been my favorite.

29:27

So thank you for all that you've done for us, and you'll be missed.

29:32

Thanks, Chief.

29:33

Congratulations, Chief, on your retirement and joy.

29:37

Hey, Chief, congratulations on your retirement.

29:40

You've earned this, and I want to be up front and say thank you so much for all you've done for Sandy City, for our community, for just people in general.

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I also want to say thank you to you for being an excellent leader.

29:54

You're leaving, and we're finally going paperless.

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Congratulations, Chief!

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We'll miss you.

30:03

Chief, on behalf of all of us in Sandy, thank you for your 30 years of service, for your leadership and your friendship and your commitment to this community.

30:12

We are really going to miss you more than you know.

30:15

Congratulations to you and your family on your remarkable career.

30:19

We know that you have the best family behind you.

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And we wish you the best in your well-earned retirement.

30:25

And thank you, Sandy residents, for supporting the men and women who keep our community safe every day.

30:47

Mayor, I want to go ahead and invite you to um make additional remarks and continue the presentation.

30:53

Thank you.

30:53

Well, a lot has been said, but after 30 years in such a pivotal position, it uh warrants uh some special recognition.

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So what a beautiful night to recognize the people who have given so much to our city.

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So, Chief Severson, your uh leadership in the city will be felt for so many years to come.

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You've dedicated your career to protecting our community, and we have felt your integrity, your courage, and unwavering commitment to service.

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And as we celebrate your retirement, we also recognize your remarkable legacy.

31:24

Chief Severson has been the steady head in guiding the department through times of challenge and times of growth.

31:29

He's led with humility, humor, with patience, and a quiet confidence of someone who never forgets that he wears the badge and he's he knows what it's like to patrol the streets.

31:40

Under his leadership, our officers have been supported, our department has been strengthened, and our community has been made safer.

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What stands out most about Chief Severson is not only his professionalism, but his heart.

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And to know him is to know how much he cares about our community.

31:58

He's always placed people first, whether it's the men and women who serve in his department, the families who support our officers, or the residents who rely on our officers every single day.

32:09

Whether responding to a crisis or mentoring a new recruit, or challenging his uh colleagues in uh to improve their skills and competition and even competition, working late into the night to solve a problem that no one even ever sees or might never see.

32:28

Chief Severson has embodied the very best of public service.

32:32

He has championed training, innovation like our real-time crime center, uh something most residents will never see, might never see or be aware of, but has helped immensely uh enhance our officer safety and our community safety.

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He's been a protector of the city and a mentor to many in this room, and his leadership style at all times is rooted in respect, respect for the badge, respect for the responsibility it carries, and for the people who answer the call.

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Today, Chief, we thank you not only for the years of 30 years that you've given to the city, but for the standard that you've set for our community.

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You leave behind a department that reflects your values, professionalism, accountability, compassion, and pride of your work ethic.

33:18

You step into a well-earned retirement, and hope you enjoy that golf club you received with about an hour ago, and your influence uh will be felt in every continued briefing room, every continued cabinet discussion, every personnel discussion, every patrol shift, and every officer who's learned under your guidance.

33:39

Your service has shaped this department in so many lasting ways, and we're so grateful.

33:43

So, thank you, Chief Severson, for your leadership, your sacrifice, and to your family, your beautiful wife Kelly, your children.

33:51

Thank you so much for your loyalty and the many evenings that you sacrificed the time with your dad and your husband because he was in service to the people in the city.

34:02

On behalf of the people of Sandy City, thank you.

34:05

Uh, we've all had a great privilege of working for with a great chief named Greg Severson.

34:19

We do have a little uh little plaque here for a photo.

34:22

I know how much you love getting your picture taken to you.

34:24

So can you yes join us down here in front of the dais?

34:29

We're not you promised this will be the last time.

34:50

So after 30 years of service, the man deserves a plaque.

35:01

For 30 years of devoted service, steady leadership, unwavering commitment to the safety of our community.

35:07

Your integrity, courage, and compassion have shaped the department and protected countless lives.

35:13

We deeply appreciate your extraordinary commitment and the positive impact you leave behind.

35:18

With gratitude upon your retirement, Sandy Mayer Monica Zeltanski and the administrative teams.

35:23

Thank you, Chief.

35:24

Thank you for everything.

35:28

Thank you.

35:42

We also have another city council challenge point that we'd like to present you with.

35:55

So thank you.

35:56

I'm just glad I won the uh war on paper after a decade.

36:02

You know, I've had every insult thrown at me.

36:04

Um people assault me, and uh typically nothing brings me to tears with this does.

36:10

So thank you so much.

36:11

That video was very incredible.

36:13

Thank you.

36:14

Thank you very much.

36:16

I just want to thank my families.

36:17

Thanks again.

36:19

Thank you.

37:08

Okay, one day I think a couple questions.

37:13

Okay, thank you.

37:15

Thank you.

37:47

So again, before we move on, I just want to offer the council any last opportunity to not last, that sounds that sounds wrong because we just talked a little bit ago, and we're gonna see you again.

37:57

I'm in some capacity, I'm sure.

37:59

Um I know that over the last couple of weeks with the news of your retirement, we've all had an opportunity to talk with you, uh, cry with you, laugh with you, wish you wish you well.

38:10

But um, up here in this uh council capacity while we have you captive once more.

38:16

If anybody would like to offer any last remarks, that would be but you want to clean up again?

38:24

Okay.

38:25

Go ahead, Councilmember Sharp.

38:26

Okay, I'll kick it off.

38:27

Yeah.

38:28

Um I remember that we were asked to um give consent for your appointment as chief shortly after I became a council member.

38:39

It was and it was a you know, a shocking and surprising set of circumstances.

38:45

And um police chief.

38:48

I mean, I don't know that it gets any more important than that, so I took that very seriously, and I reached out far and wide to a number of different people to that that weren't on any reference lists to try to get the true background and the true input on Greg Severson.

39:07

And I couldn't find a single person who didn't think you were exactly the right person for the job at exactly the right time, that you had all the skills and all the attributes.

39:20

Um I just felt so strong.

39:23

I was so pre appreciative that you were putting your name in for the job because you seemed in every regard like exactly the right person.

39:33

And uh you have been.

39:35

I know what Alison was saying in that video.

39:38

I know what she was saying.

39:39

Um I don't mean to turn it back on the council, but as a council member, what we want to do is make the best possible decisions all the time, even though we are completely devoid of expertise.

39:56

None of us are police chiefs or police officers and ever have been.

40:00

So we have to depend on people like you for good advice, good direction.

40:06

And you're not only a police chief, you're a department head.

40:11

And so I just found you to be the person that I knew I could trust.

40:17

That if you told me something was so, if you told me you needed something, I didn't need to second guess.

40:25

I didn't need to fact check.

40:26

I didn't need to get a second opinion.

40:29

I knew that was what I needed to do.

40:32

And I I will miss you for that too.

40:35

You did make my job a little bit easier.

40:37

You did make me look a little bit better because I you filled me with the information I needed.

40:44

You fueled me with what I knew I needed to do to get it right.

40:48

And so I appreciate that.

40:50

I I feel like what we're supposed to say on a night like tonight.

40:54

I know what we're supposed to say.

40:56

We're supposed to say, enjoy your retirement.

40:59

You deserve it.

41:00

When what we really want to say is, please don't go.

41:04

We're just we're gonna miss you so much.

41:06

Um I think you helped define who Sandy is.

41:11

It's part of what I'm proud of, it's part of what we all are proud of.

41:15

Um, and yes, I will miss you very, very much.

41:18

And I hope to see you again, and I will be reaching out to you for good advice, even though you won't be the police chief anymore.

41:25

So thank you.

41:27

Thank you, Councilmember DeKaiser.

41:30

Well, thanks, Chief.

41:31

There's been a lot said, and I'm still looking forward to my coffee with a cop with you.

41:35

But uh it's so cool that you you were a baby in those pictures.

41:39

I'd never seen those.

41:40

I assume a lot of us hadn't.

41:41

Um but it's so rare these days to have someone get into a career and spend 30 years and retire.

41:46

And I just look at you, and you're still so young, and you have a wonderful family, and so how exciting for you guys to be able to spend this time with your dad that he's not too old to uh go to your soccer games and do stuff with you.

41:58

But just really really wish you the best.

42:01

It's been such a pleasure working with you, and uh we'll see you around.

42:05

Councilmember Stroud.

42:08

Thank you, Madam Chair.

42:09

Um, I so I was part of the council that was able to do the advice and consent as well, and you know, under those very sudden circumstances, and it was one of the first things that we did.

42:22

Um, you know, Chief O'Neill passed in January, you know, just a couple of weeks after uh after we had come up here and said, okay, we're now a counsel and and moving forward on that, and we did the advice and consent just a few weeks after that in February.

42:38

Um, you know, I I didn't reach out to a lot of people outside because I I watched how you interacted, and I think even during your advice and consent, you know, I've been watching, but um, not from like this creepy stalker sort of thing, but watching from a distance and seeing how you interacted with the officers and how they respected you.

43:02

And I thought at that at that time, I'm going, this is this has got to be the the pinnacle, the apex, you know, to see the admiration and the respect in their eyes, but to see how that has grown in the past six years, and where you have taken this department.

43:22

It's been uh Sandy is is very very fortunate.

43:28

Um I mean it it's it's not a good day when they have to interact with the police.

43:34

Something bad has happened in their life, and you're there to help, and you're there to resolve that problem.

43:42

But anybody that has had that opportunity to work with you has had nothing but praise to sing.

43:52

You have set this department up to continue to achieve excellence, and that is that's no small feats.

44:02

Got 122 sworn officers, another 40 civilian employees.

44:06

That's a lot of people to lead, and your family has been very graceful, very patient.

44:12

Texts, calls, all hours of the night, things happen in Sandy, vacations, and you're there to respond to them, and you know about everything that happens in Sandy, all of that weighed on your shoulders, and you do it with such poison dignity.

44:32

You've been an incredible asset.

44:37

Thank you for what you've done.

44:39

Thank you for the advice, um, the conversations we've had, even when you tell me no, um more times than one, but uh thank you.

44:58

Thank you.

45:00

And again, like I we've talked before about your retirement.

45:03

And so I'm probably going to be a little repetitive, but I think that some of it deserves to be heard by more than just you and the few because you really are an amazing person.

45:14

And in your role, I think that we have been really fortunate to have you specifically in that specific role because you do exemplify kind of what everybody else has said before me.

45:26

The person that fits this role best.

46:05

So I wish you nothing but the best.

46:07

I have been very grateful of your support for the autism first responder event that was created.

46:15

Even talking with you about that the first time, there was no shying away from it.

46:19

It was approaching it, agreeing that there was benefit to be had and and working together to make it a successful event.

46:26

And I just I like others who have worked with you, you know, thank you for taking the time to hear us out and to help us in our endeavors from with your expertise.

46:37

Thank you.

46:38

Councilmember Housman.

46:40

Thank you, Madam Chair.

46:43

I'll be brief and echo what's been said.

46:48

The only thing I would add is a personal dimension.

46:52

I like stories.

47:20

And it alarmed him.

47:23

And you were able to just send a little extra pair of eyes in our neighborhood to assure him that he could make it home safely.

47:34

He could go to bed and not worry.

47:39

And that was probably very routine for you.

47:43

Just like so many of the things you set in motion.

47:48

But for him and for me, that was huge.

47:54

And my story is only one of so many.

47:58

So there is a personal touch behind everything you do.

48:02

Every conversation matters to you.

48:04

Every individual matters to you.

48:06

People feel that.

48:07

And I just wanted to share that one story of how you showing up and making sure that eyes were in the area, the peace and comfort that brought.

48:21

And I just know it was there's thousands more of those stories.

48:25

Thank you.

48:26

Councilmember Meekham.

48:28

Thank you.

48:29

I was telling Heather last night as we were driving back from the event.

48:33

I said, one of the things I love about you most, Greg, is the fact that you have such a humanity about you.

48:52

And so I have a great deal of admiration for those, especially who spent 30 years in it, who come at it from an aspect of continuing to serve.

49:00

And it's not just a matter of serving the people, but also the um, you know, just how straight you are with everything.

49:08

You you call it like you see it.

49:10

I I don't question when when you have something to say, I listen because I know that you were coming at it from uh a real aspect of uh someone who's trying to make something better.

49:23

So thank you, Greg.

49:24

Really appreciate it.

49:25

It's been an honor.

49:26

Thank you.

49:27

Councilmember Robinson.

49:29

Thank you.

49:30

Did oh.

49:31

Uh no, actually, you know what I'm gonna say?

49:33

Like go.

49:35

Like, get out of here, man.

49:36

You've done 30 years.

49:38

You've done a long time, and I'm I'm really happy to hear that you got a golf club.

49:42

Uh, because I hope you use it.

49:44

Like uh, so thank you for the service for the city.

49:47

Thanks for making Allison look good.

49:49

And so just like I had to say that.

49:53

It's good I was taken back by the video, but um no, in all serious, uh, I've I've appreciated my time with you, I've appreciated serving with you.

50:02

Uh, you've made me giggle more times than one.

50:05

I had I'd appreciated our golf outing uh that we did have.

50:09

I hope you get to do that a thousand times over, and I look forward to seeing how the lessons pay off.

50:15

And I'm a I'm a text message away from a tea time.

50:17

So anytime you want to go, just give me a shout.

50:19

We'll go lose 200 golf balls at River Oaks.

50:22

And uh just I I hope you get to enjoy this next phase of your life, your career, your family, all the other things that come with serving for 30 years.

50:31

You've earned it, enjoy it and get out and have a blast.

50:34

And I'll look for you when we're in St.

50:36

George too, like on the courses down there.

50:38

So, best of luck moving forward and thank you.

50:42

All right, everyone, thank you so much.

50:44

Um, we are just after six, but we do have one more very special recognition that I'd like to work through, and then we'll come back and do public um citizen comment.

50:54

And so, again, Liz, if you can cue up that video, that would be great.

51:02

Today we honor Dan Medina, a dedicated leader who's worked 37 years right here in Sandy.

51:08

His work in the parks and recreation department has touched every aspect of Sandy life.

51:13

Our parks are greener, healthier, our open space is more beautiful because of Dan's dedication and leadership.

51:20

From major projects like the Bell Canyon Preservation Trailhead to rebuilding our city recreations center to the small details of overseeing operations and every detail of the Sandy Parks department.

51:32

Dan's work and his steady leadership has guided our whole department and has defined the high quality of life that we enjoy at Sandy.

51:41

Dan, your legacy and Sandy will live on for generations, and Sandy is greener and healthier and more connected because of your great work.

51:49

On behalf of all of our residents and our city employees, I want to thank you, Dan, for your dedication and your many years of exceptional service.

51:57

We wish you a retirement filled with happiness, joy, family, and plenty of time to enjoy the parks that you yourself created.

52:05

Thank you, Dan.

52:06

We're really gonna miss you.

52:07

I've had a great experience working with uh Dan Medina through the years.

52:10

He's one of the more upbeat people that I've ever worked with.

52:14

Uh, we both started close to the same time here at the city.

52:17

I started in the administration as an analyst, and he started in uh parks and recreation as a budget analyst.

52:23

He brought a lot of stability to their budget when he first came here and stabilized it and brought uh some good expertise there.

52:32

He also became a really great project manager through the years for Partial Recreation Projects.

52:38

One funny thing about Dan is that one time he got uh going pretty quickly on a project and got uh uh quite a ways into it and under construction when he uh realized that he hadn't taken it through the planning process yet.

52:54

So he had to go back and take it through the planning process when it was almost completed.

53:01

And after that, we always tease Dan uh that if you needed to get a project done quickly, you just pulled a Dan.

53:08

Hey Dan, congratulations.

53:11

I'm gonna miss you.

53:12

I'm not gonna miss your dad jokes.

53:14

But I just want to thank you or tell you thank you for believing in me.

53:18

And I hope we have a good retirement.

53:22

Hey Dan, congratulations on your retirement.

53:25

I just want to say thank you for putting so much time and effort into Sandy City, making it a beautiful place to not only work but to live.

53:35

Um thanks for always giving me the opportunity or the benefit of the doubt.

53:39

Um, we're gonna miss you.

53:41

Hey Dan, just wanted to congratulate you on your retirement.

53:44

It's been fun working with you for 26 years and learning everything you've taught me, being a mentor, and uh I just want you to have a great next chapter in your life, and hopefully we'll see you down at the golf course.

53:57

Hey Dan, congrats on your retirement.

53:59

Um, it's been a pleasure to work with you the last six years, even though I've known you, I've been around you pretty much my whole life, so it'll be different not having you on parks and rec.

54:09

But congrats.

54:10

Um, you deserve an awesome retirement and uh hope to still see you around.

54:14

Hey Dan, we from Alt Canyon just want to say thank you so much for all of your years of support of our center, of our programs, always buying stuff at the snap bar, participating in the try, um, and just always being joyful and happy every time you walk through the door to come say hi to all of us.

54:32

So, on behalf of Alta Canyon, we wish you the best, and congratulations on your retirement.

54:39

Go fight win.

54:41

Thank you, Dan.

54:44

Hey Dan, I just want to uh thank you for the many years working together, um the great leadership that you gave us all for all those many years.

54:52

Um and the great times we had together watching our kids and families grow up together and wish you the best of luck on your new endeavors and just appreciate our friendship and work to friendship.

55:00

And wish you the best of luck on your new endeavors.

55:02

Just appreciate our friendship and work and friendship.

55:06

There is a photo that shows up every year on my memories.

55:11

And it is a photo of the last day that I was here at the Parks and Rec building as a recreation coordinator.

55:16

And the next day I was leaving to go to Alta Canyon to be the center manager.

55:21

And everyone at the Parks and Rec building got together to take a photo.

55:26

And in the photo, everyone is pretending like they are crying because I'm leaving to go somewhere else.

55:32

Except for Dan.

55:44

And every year I see that photo, and I think how lucky I was to have someone who was so excited to teach me and to guide me as a supervisor.

55:55

I'm grateful for you and your leadership and everything that you've done for me and my career here at Sandy City, as well as everything that you've done for the department and for the city.

56:05

So best of luck in your retirement, and we will miss you.

56:26

So as you heard on that uh touching video, we are all so proud to recognize this remarkable public servant that we've had the privilege of standing side by side.

56:38

Your service uh to Sandy for 37 remarkable years.

56:41

Um, Dan is someone whose work has touched every corner of our city, every neighborhood, and every resident who calls Sandy home.

56:49

Sandy's known for our beautiful parks and trails, our wonderful events, and that's the heart of parks and recreation, right there.

56:57

How we present our facilities, our buildings, and our public spaces to our community, setting that high standard where every detail is attended to, our lawns are manicured, our flower beds and beautification efforts are attended to.

57:12

That takes a trained eye and dedicated loyal service.

57:17

Uh, after 37 years of service, including the last seven years as our parks and recreation directs our parks and recreation director, Dan is uh going to enjoy a well-deserved retirement.

57:30

Under Dan's guidance, our parks have flourished and our events in the city have blossomed, creating much needed community connections, especially post-pandemic.

57:40

The trails have been expanded and cared for, playgrounds revitalized, uh, ball fields improved, and open spaces preserved.

57:49

But beyond those projects and improvements, Dan has worked to create places where families gather and children play safely and community takes root.

57:58

Places that really reflect the spirit of our city.

58:01

His leadership has strengthened his team and elevated the department, and just have to take one look around this room tonight.

58:08

Thank you so much to all the Parks and Rec staff here, and to Scott Earle, our former Parks and Rec director, Dan's friend and mentor, and everyone in the video, and everybody that works with Dan and the department so loyal to their leader.

58:21

I'll just take one look at the caliber of the people here, and you know that like attracts like Dan is always led with the quiet confidence and uh quick to deflect praise and always attribute his staff for any milestone moments and accomplishments.

58:38

He's always ready to roll up his sleeves and get involved running the 4Ks, the triathlons.

58:44

Um, he really likes it best when people are together and having fun.

58:49

He's earned the respect of his colleagues across the city and throughout Utah, not only for his professional expertise, but for his integrity and kindness.

58:58

So, as I said, Dan, your fingerprints are visible in every park bench, every trail connection, every tree planted, every joyful moment that happens in our public spaces.

59:07

Um, I was to name a few of the major accomplishments of your team of your tenure.

59:12

Um, you brought a fiscal expertise from your years as a budget analyst, and that is so important, especially as we are finding new ways and always striving for ways to fund our parks programming and our capital projects.

59:27

Uh you built the Bell Canyon Preservation Trailhead to completion at the mouth of Little Cottonwood Canyon, making that Bell Canyon experience open to more trail hikers and trail lovers and naturalists.

59:39

Um, expanded that.

59:41

Uh we first met when the city was planning a tunnel under tracks at Dimpledel.

59:47

That was before I even came to office.

59:50

Um this year's unveiling of the new bicentennial park and the covered playground that was done under your planning and stewardship.

1:00:00

And now the big one, Sandy Recreation Center, the rebirth of reimagining of uh new recreation center in Sandy.

1:00:09

So that's a lot.

1:00:12

Uh 37 years times three or four, most people wouldn't accomplish that.

1:00:17

And you've done it in one career.

1:00:19

So on behalf of Sandy City, we extend our deepest gratitude to you and your family for the decades of service and sacrifice that you've given to the city for your stewardship of our natural spaces and your devotion to the people of the city.

1:00:34

We wish you a retirement filled with the rest and adventure and all the beauty that you've helped create for others.

1:00:40

Thank you, Dan.

1:00:47

Dan please join join me up front.

1:00:51

Council as well.

1:01:19

So to Dan Medina, Director of Parks and Recreation for 37 years of service.

1:01:24

Celebrate your 37 years of a vibrant exceptional career of service, vision, and dedication to creating spaces where our community can grow, gather, and thrive.

1:01:35

Your passion and tireless work, Dan, have enriched the lives of gener for generations.

1:01:40

We are grateful for the remarkable contributions you've made to the legacy that you have built.

1:01:45

With heartfelt thanks and your retirement, Sandy Mayor, Monica Zeltanski and the administrative team.

1:01:50

Thank you, Dan.

1:02:06

Thank you.

1:02:07

And of course.

1:02:08

And we're not done with the Dan recognition has another uh internal attribute in a week or so before the end of the day.

1:02:14

Can we get Dan's family down for a picture?

1:02:17

Can we get Dan's family down?

1:02:18

You want the work family, or you want the other good answer.

1:02:24

Mother, that includes you.

1:02:27

We'll take the picture for you.

1:02:39

I sit in the back for a reason.

1:02:42

What was Dan like as a kid?

1:02:45

I want you to know though that he started out doing shop lines when he was in college.

1:02:52

Um brother-in-law that uh told my mom about the jobs and uh started working.

1:03:02

Ryan, I might need you to shed a little bit.

1:03:13

Thank you.

1:03:17

Any remarks, Dan?

1:03:24

Um I love this place.

1:03:28

The support, the parks direct team gives me is really what makes it happen.

1:03:34

And my mentors that are performing.

1:03:37

They helped guide me.

1:03:39

And just a great place.

1:03:43

And those of you that know me.

1:03:45

Family is what's most important.

1:03:46

And whether it's the work family or my family, they come first.

1:03:51

So I love you guys.

1:03:52

I'm gonna miss you.

1:03:53

Um be real.

1:03:55

But I'll have fun.

1:03:56

You know me.

1:03:58

Thanks everyone.

1:04:07

Mark's family can line down for a picture with the end.

1:04:17

Welcome.

1:04:26

Jeremy's a little bit.

1:04:30

Oh button, right?

1:04:31

She needs your best ball team closed.

1:04:33

Yes.

1:04:41

Okay.

1:04:43

Not scrunching.

1:04:47

So fight wind.

1:05:09

Again, I want to give the council an opportunity to make comments.

1:05:12

And we'll go ahead and start with you, Mr.

1:05:13

Robinson.

1:05:14

Thank you.

1:05:20

Dan, umks for all of your effort over the last you know 37 years that you put into the city.

1:05:29

I think you're able to look back probably more so than any other department and be able to look like physically look at something and see what kind of a difference you made in the city.

1:05:41

And I've said that to you before.

1:05:43

I think that's that's awesome.

1:05:44

Um so uh I I really appreciate as a resident, I appreciate the work that you and your team have put in.

1:05:53

Um, but I just want I'm glad Mayor, you called out the uh the amount of of staff that came here tonight.

1:05:59

Uh that that says a lot about you as a human and uh be proud of that.

1:06:05

That's so cool to see so many people here.

1:06:08

Um the stories that were shared on the video.

1:06:10

I'm just glad that was acknowledged.

1:06:12

Like that.

1:06:12

I I was gonna say something, so I'm glad you did too.

1:06:15

But um Dan, thanks for for all of your service.

1:06:18

Uh I've enjoyed serving with you.

1:06:20

Um sounds like Greg, we got a third now for our our tea time.

1:06:24

So Mitch, we'll probably need a standing tea time on Tuesday nights.

1:06:28

Um you know what that we can just sit and laugh at everybody in here doing all the work, and we'll be down losing 200 golf balls on the golf course.

1:06:37

So but thanks for your work, Dan.

1:06:39

It was been it's been a real pleasure to sit next to you and and and and accomplish some of these things that that you've asked us to work on with you, and it's just a lot of kudos come your direction.

1:06:50

So enjoy it, and I'll see you on the golf course too.

1:06:54

So council member meakin.

1:06:57

Thank you very much.

1:06:58

Dan, uh you make all of us look good, and every time that I compliment um, you know, how good things look at a park, for example, you're the first to deflect attention to your team members.

1:07:09

And I've seen you do that many times, and there's a reason why they're here is because they appreciate that you've always had their backs and known what it's taken to produce the results that you've done and uh everything from you know managing to uh to making that a reality.

1:07:28

It's not simple.

1:07:30

So thank you, Dan.

1:07:31

Really appreciate the work you've done, but more as a person.

1:07:35

Thank you for everything you've done.

1:07:38

Councilmember Houseman.

1:07:40

Thank you, madam chair.

1:07:41

Um apparently the timing has been right for me to get back into golf.

1:07:46

Yeah, because um, yep.

1:07:48

So can I still join even though I'm not like retiring?

1:07:54

I know another tea time besides Tuesday nights.

1:07:58

Oh no, no, no.

1:08:03

So hold on, you are a purposely excluding me from golf.

1:08:06

I'm purposely setting up on Tuesday night.

1:08:10

Oh, I'm kidding.

1:08:11

I'm not good, so you don't want me along anyway.

1:08:13

Zach just puts up with me.

1:08:15

Um thank you.

1:08:17

I love our parks.

1:08:18

I know every time I talk to the members of our community, that's one of the first things that always comes up.

1:08:24

Um as we all know, especially during COVID, we discovered the value of making it possible for people to get outside and to connect with one another outside of our homes or you know, the places that we know so well.

1:08:41

Um bringing community together in our parks and in our outdoor spaces is has been part of your vision, the shared vision with where did Scott go?

1:08:53

Shared vision with Scott Earle.

1:08:56

Um I think people underestimate the investment in wellness that comes from our parks, and it's proactive.

1:09:06

It is pro it is solving problems before there are the before the problems show up for us.

1:09:13

Like it is so incredibly powerful to bring our community together in our spaces.

1:09:18

And then uh I could say the same thing about recreation as well.

1:09:21

Thank you for everything you've done.

1:09:24

Um, and know that your thumbprint will continue to be on all kinds of things.

1:09:29

Thank you.

1:09:30

Thank you, Councilmember.

1:09:32

Uh, I'm gonna go ahead and add that Sandy is amazing.

1:09:35

We have had three incredible recognitions tonight, two of our long-term tenured employees and a resident with decades of service in various capacities, and thank you, Dan, for all of the service that you've given over the years.

1:09:50

Um, you know, you guys both started here when you were young men and have kind of grown and um um developed along with Sandy, and uh I really thank you.

1:10:00

Um they took they talk about uh working in the outdoors, being with nature uh leads to wellness and and overall happiness, and I think by the jovial nature and the smile always on your face, including when you know Jeddah's leaving to go to Alta Canyon, you know that the the proof right there in what you guys do and and working outdoors and with nature.

1:10:23

Um I think that you the work that you've done and that your entire department is done and predecessors.

1:10:30

Um it's a it's such an important component to where we live and what we are as a city, and I think overall what Sandy is largely known for, and so thank you for um all of your leadership and your work, and you will be missed.

1:10:46

And I do look forward to seeing pictures on Zach Social Media about your Tuesday night golf tea times.

1:10:53

Councilmember Stroud.

1:10:56

Thank you, madam chair.

1:10:57

Um, when Scott retired, he spoke so highly of you, and it just he just glowed when he spoke of you, and and seeing that same radiant glow come from you over the past several years.

1:11:18

Anytime you walk into a room or I can walk in and see you so and you just you light up a room, and that's that joy and enthusiasm that you have brought to your department.

1:11:31

They are very tight-knit bonded department, and that comes from the leadership from the both of you, and how well you were able to project that onto the city, onto residents, onto little tiny from the tiniest two-year-old out there stumbling around on a field, um, all the way through the adult leaks, the recovery leagues, everything that you have done for our residents, and it's it's been a privilege to be a part of that and to walk that from Scott and to you, and how you were responsive you are and how passionate you are about the recreation in our community.

1:12:14

Sitting down, explaining to me, you know, oh, this is what we're doing, this is where we're going, this is why we're doing this, this is why it's important.

1:12:23

You've been a champion in explaining the why, and that need comes through, and that passion comes through when you talk.

1:12:31

Being at the 5Ks, I did not tie your laces that time.

1:12:35

That was on you.

1:12:36

You did that, but I'm still looking at team beat damn medina and the 5K.

1:12:42

Seeing you there, engage, being a part of that.

1:12:48

That's what being our parks and rec direct director, and that is the part of you that is going to be deeply missed.

1:12:55

I wish you all the best in your retirement.

1:12:58

Even golfing on Tuesday nights with Zach.

1:13:04

You're gonna be missed, your department's gonna miss you.

1:13:06

The city's going to miss you.

1:13:08

Good luck and enjoy.

1:13:12

Thank you, Councilmember DeKaiser.

1:13:15

It's so neat to see a department head with such a big work family turnout like this.

1:13:20

Um, in my experience, you've always been such a jovial guy, really nice, um, good dude, and I've really appreciated it.

1:13:26

Like the mayor mentioned, your leadership on the Bell Canyon Preservation Trailhood, the new uh rec center, and I think I mentioned to you bicentennial park.

1:13:35

I've seen more positive comments on next door about that than any other topic.

1:13:39

And uh we've even had little conversations about how it's neat to be in the department that seemingly you know, Sandy is known for its parks, you directly impact um the livelihood of people every day, and you know it.

1:13:51

I mean, you get emotional about kids' sports, and to echo what the chair said, um, my master's degree is in like getting outside and making us feel better, and you don't need to have that or be a department head, but just getting out and doing it and all the experiences you've created for our community that will come after you very much appreciated and enjoy your retirement.

1:14:11

Councilmember Sharkey.

1:14:14

You and Scott make me want to be a parks and rec director when I grow up.

1:14:20

I mean, and Jeremy, I'll start at the bottom.

1:14:23

So I'll start at the bottom and work my way up, no problem, because it looks so fun.

1:14:30

When I think back on when I think back on everything we've ever worked on together, it was always fun.

1:14:37

I mean, even as even with the planning commission, everything we were working on, it was always fun.

1:14:42

And even when it was hard, it was fun, like figuring out how to make Alta Canyon work, it was fun.

1:14:48

And so, and then I see the people and I interact with the people, and it's just gotta be all fun all the time.

1:14:55

I think Wayne Niederhauser and Greg Severson wish they could say that about their jobs, but um but yeah, thank you.

1:15:03

Thank you.

1:15:04

Like, you know, I was talking about how Sandy is defined, and obviously our parks and our recreation are a big part of that.

1:15:12

And so thanks to you for leading the team.

1:15:15

Thanks for the team for everything that you guys do.

1:15:18

We're very proud to be associated with you, and thank you, Dan, for all your hard work over all these years.

1:15:24

Appreciate you.

1:15:27

Thank you, everyone.

1:15:28

That does conclude the special recognition that we have for this evening, and it takes us into our uh general citizen comment period.

1:15:36

So thank you, those that are here to make comment for being patient as we got through that.

1:15:40

Um I do have one card right now.

1:15:43

Um if there are others in the room that would like to make public comment, please fill out a card and bring it up here.

1:15:49

Um I will go ahead and start with Henry Butters.

1:15:53

Henry, you will have three minutes to make your remarks.

1:16:06

Thank you, Brooke, very much for reaching out back to me on my concerns.

1:16:12

I went to go fill out for to be a watch person for my side of this, and I got denied.

1:16:21

This is my concern.

1:16:22

I can get on to any military base because of my clearance with military bases, and I can't be a watch person.

1:16:31

I can haul hazmat haul flammables, but I can't be a watch person.

1:16:39

It's so BS.

1:16:42

I have told you what was going on, but there's so much is going on, and I feel like I even reached out to the mayor, and she didn't reach back out to me.

1:16:55

Again, she should have tried to call me and talk to me.

1:17:00

Brooke, I'm really happy you reached out to me.

1:17:03

I text you call me, you called me in two seconds flat.

1:17:07

I appreciate that.

1:17:09

The other concern is the homeless people again.

1:17:14

I have a lawyer down there by classic skating.

1:17:19

He is paralegal, can't even go out and enjoy the walk because there's homeless people down there.

1:17:26

She have talked to me personally about it.

1:17:29

But I drove by one night, took a picture of the camper, and got freaking someone hits my freaking window.

1:17:37

I'm a sandy person.

1:17:39

Why can someone hit my window, a homeless person and almost break my windshield?

1:17:46

That's BS.

1:17:48

But they can park on the side of the road all day long, and I can't park a semi on the side of the road.

1:17:54

Someone that's trying to make a living.

1:17:58

That's the BS we have here.

1:18:02

I drive for a living.

1:18:05

If I get another salt like that, someone do that.

1:18:09

I promise I will protect myself, and I have a constitutional rights.

1:18:15

Then a cop call told me something, and it's BS.

1:18:19

And Amy that's over the watch program, ever yells at another Sandy people on the phone, I promise she won't be working for Sandy.

1:18:31

Because I'll make the biggest think ever.

1:18:34

Because she works for the people, not for her.

1:18:39

She don't need to yell at me.

1:18:42

That's BS.

1:18:44

That's where I draw the line.

1:18:46

No one should be yelled at.

1:18:48

Even if you have a problem with me, Brooke, any of you on city council.

1:18:53

Come to me.

1:18:54

I'm willing to talk.

1:18:57

But I don't need to be treated like a freaking dog from someone from the police department.

1:19:03

I pull the new captain of my personal opinions, and I feel like it went out one side and out the other side.

1:19:12

Thank you, Mr.

1:19:13

Butters.

1:19:14

Next, we have Darren Butler.

1:19:25

Hi.

1:19:26

Um I'm Darren Butler.

1:19:28

I've lived in Sandy for 28 years or something.

1:19:32

I'm the manager of the Sandy Library.

1:19:35

And um I just wanted to talk about the library for just a minute.

1:19:39

Um it's uh it's not a Sandy City library, but it's a county library, and it's in the Sandy community, and it's the best library in the county, so you know, we have that going for us.

1:19:50

Um I just want to tell people some of the things that the library has to offer in case you haven't been.

1:19:56

Um, because the you're paying for it anyway, so you should come and enjoy it.

1:20:00

So you should come and enjoy it.

1:20:03

There's LinkedIn Learning that you can have for free.

1:20:06

I know that that can be an expensive thing.

1:20:09

There's we have books, we have movies, we have story time.

1:20:13

We have we just have a lot of things going on.

1:20:17

We have you can check out pasta makers, telescopes.

1:20:22

Um you can check out what did I write down here?

1:20:27

Story time to go kits.

1:20:29

Um we have book clubs, we have story time, we have tarot guild.

1:20:35

Um we just have a lot of things.

1:20:36

And I just want people in Sandy to know about it and to welcome you and have you come.

1:20:41

Thank you.

1:20:43

Thank you.

1:20:44

That is the last Aim room card that I presently have.

1:20:47

So, Dustin, if you would like to address our online audience.

1:20:50

Of course, thank you, Madam Chair.

1:20:52

Uh, if you're joining us virtually this evening on Zoom and you'd like to comment on any city business, now's the time.

1:20:57

Go ahead and click the raise hand button on your screen.

1:21:00

We'll call your name in the order in which you raise your hand, and you'll have three minutes.

1:21:20

I don't see any hands raised at this time.

1:21:22

Thank you, Mr.

1:21:23

Fratto.

1:21:23

We're gonna go ahead and close the public comment portion for this meeting then and bring it back to the agenda.

1:21:28

That does bring us to council um item number four.

1:21:32

This is an information item.

1:21:34

The city council will be considering the Sandy City preliminary legislative priorities for the 2026 Utah legislative session.

1:21:41

Um, really quick, I just wanted to kind of give an overview of of how I think this might function best.

1:21:47

And so um, you know, we're gonna begin considering some of the initial priorities from the administration, which was included in the packet.

1:21:54

Uh, the mayor would like to take a brief moment, as I understand, to um speak to them initially, and then afterwards we'll have our city attorney, Mr.

1:22:02

Lynn Pace present them in more detail, and then at that point we can discuss them as a council and make any necessary necessary changes or additions if need be.

1:22:11

Um, once we do that, we can take action on the priorities as a whole, and then afterwards we have a second small discussion pertaining to a legislative uh representative meeting later this week.

1:22:23

So, with that, then I will go ahead and turn the time over to the mayor to introduce those items.

1:22:29

Thank you, Madam Chair.

1:22:31

So you prepare for the upcoming legislative session.

1:22:33

It's important that we speak with a unified and proactive voice on the issues that shape Sandy's future, and tonight I want to outline the city's key legislative priorities from the administrative side, priorities rooted in protecting our community, public safety, strengthening our quality of life, and ensuring local decisions remain in the hands of those who know our city best.

1:22:54

Uh, first, starting with protecting local control over land use authority.

1:22:59

First and foremost, we will be continue to be united to defend local land use authority.

1:23:06

Cities must retain the ability to plan responsibly, protect established neighborhoods and guide our growth in ways that reflect our local values and long-term community vision.

1:23:14

We've just undergone a general plan update this past year, adopted by the city council January 7th, and so building out on the proper planning that we've taken in the community informed planning that we've done in Sandy is going to be very important to share those efforts with our legislators.

1:23:34

While we support regional planning, of course, we believe that decisions impacting our streets, our housing, our neighborhoods must be shaped by residents and the leaders of Sandy, not by one size fits all mandates.

1:23:46

Advancing real solutions for affordable housing.

1:23:49

Our city leadership is committed to prioritizing affordable and owner-occupied housing as we move into this next phase of our city's growth, especially in the uh central commercial area in our Cairns district.

1:24:03

Sandy is committed to being part of the housing solutions on affordability, and we recognize the need for mixed-use housing options for to attract young families to support our schools where needed for to maintain school populations to create new housing options for our seniors, including single-level living, and support housing solutions for our workforce who we rely on for public safety.

1:24:27

Our priority is to promote balanced sustainable locally tailored solutions, including strategic density near transit incentives for builders who will build attainably priced housing and partnerships with private and nonprofit developers.

1:24:44

We'll advocate for state tools that empower cities to create affordable housing without compromising neighborhood character or local decision making.

1:25:00

Transportation remains front and center in our legislative agenda, especially regarding Little Cottonwood Canyon.

1:25:04

Administration's position is clear.

1:25:06

The canyon needs immediate practical transit improvements and enhance bus services, the most cost-effective, flexible, and environmentally sustainable path forward.

1:25:14

We will continue to work with our legislators to advocate for investments to expand bus frequency, reliability, and improve staging areas in year-round mobility solutions that reduce congestion without imposing unnecessary costs on Sandy residents.

1:25:32

Strengthening public safety and supporting our first responders is another priority.

1:25:36

Public safety is the foundation of any thriving community.

1:25:39

We will advocate for legislation that supports police, fire, and emergency services, helps stabilize staffing, and provides tools and resources needed to keep our residents safe.

1:25:50

This includes support for mental health responses, emergency preparedness, and protecting local authority over public safety operations.

1:25:59

This includes ensuring homeless services funding for shelter cities is secure.

1:26:04

As a city that plays a key role in regional homelessness response, we are committed to ensuring that state funding is adequate, predictable, and equitable.

1:26:12

Shelter cities must not shoulder the responsibility alone for public safety, and we will advocate for continued and strengthened state support for homeless services, shelter operations, and mitigating community impacts.

1:26:26

Our goal in Sandy is a compassionate coordinated model that serves individuals in crisis while safeguarding city resources and residents' stability and public safety.

1:26:37

This year also is big big water issues are facing the state and will be uh top of discussion at the state legislature.

1:26:44

So evaluating our water and utility readiness for and fee structures is important this coming term of the legislature.

1:26:53

We recognize that long-term resilience requires responsible stewardship of our water and utility infrastructure to ensure that we are planning properly to maintain our water infrastructure in Sandy and that we have adequate water resources for our growth.

1:27:07

This year we will undergo a study of our readiness, capacity, and fee structures to ensure that they reflect the true cost of our service and support future demands.

1:27:17

And at the legislature, we'll advocate for policies that strengthen local water planning, protect our ability to set appropriate rates and ensure reliable safe utility services for decades to come.

1:27:29

These are the top priorities.

1:27:30

I also plan on submitting a survey to the residents to ask the residents for their legislative priorities before the start of the legislative before the start of the legislative session.

1:27:42

But these re priorities reflect who we are as a city as responsible stewards, collaborative partners, and strong advocates for the people we serve.

1:27:52

And as the legislature approaches with their next session, I look forward to working closely with the council, our legislators, and our community to advance these goals with clarity and unity of purpose.

1:28:04

Thank you.

1:28:06

Thank you.

1:28:07

Mr.

1:28:07

Pace, if you are ready to come and I don't know.

1:28:10

Yes, please come to the podium.

1:28:13

Maybe you can give an overview of what you anticipate the legislative session to encompass to the best of your ability, of course.

1:28:23

Well thank you.

1:28:26

This is a rare moment of glory here with the microphones.

1:28:29

So thank you for the opportunity.

1:28:33

I think the mayor has given a pretty good overview of the immediate items that we have on the landscape.

1:28:40

Just by way of background, as you're aware, Kim Bell was taking the lead on government relations with her departure.

1:28:47

I have been assisting in that role, and so I have been asked to continue to assist.

1:28:53

But uh, but that's why I'm before you this evening.

1:28:56

Um any legislative analysis or discussion of the issues is merely a snapshot in time.

1:29:03

Meaning two weeks from now, the issues will have changed and other issues will have arisen, and some of these will have faded.

1:29:09

So this is just a snapshot as to where we are, but given the mayor's description, I think those are sort of the high priority items we see on the landscape.

1:29:18

Um we obviously work a lot with the uh League of Cities and Towns, and we will continue to do that.

1:29:24

Um I guess and I would I would concur with the mayor's comments that the it is important for the city as much as possible to speak with a united voice.

1:29:37

People outside the city do not distinguish between the mayor and the council.

1:29:40

It's just Sandy City.

1:29:42

And so if we have concerns, if we're dealing with legislators, if we're dealing with lobbyists or other interested groups, it is important for us to have a unified message.

1:29:52

We can certainly uh scream at each other internally, and that's fine.

1:29:55

Uh, but we don't want to do that outside.

1:30:00

So the purpose of this discussion tonight in the same sort of way that you would get a budget recommendation from the mayor, and then the council would give feedback and reach a decision.

1:30:09

As the policy-making body, you have a recommendation tonight from what the mayor thinks or the administration feels are the immediate priorities in anticipation of a legislative discussion that we're going to begin having this as soon as this Friday.

1:30:24

So we would welcome your feedback, comments, additions, deletions, or questions.

1:30:30

I have been most heavily involved in the land use and housing side of the legislative process.

1:30:36

So there's a number of other issues on other issues relative to public safety, retirement, budgeting, taxes, with which I am generally aware, but I haven't been involved on a first-hand basis.

1:30:49

So with that much introduction, I would welcome any feedback or questions, comments you have.

1:30:54

Thank you.

1:30:55

Council, before we get into any like further discussion, discussion, is there are there any questions for Mr.

1:31:00

Pace regarding anything that he shared or that was shared by the mayor, Council Member Hustman.

1:31:06

Thank you, Madam Chair.

1:31:08

I I think I tracked you know everything that's noted here in the priorities.

1:31:12

The one question I had that I didn't hear and what was shared, um, is under Little Cottonwood Canyon Transportation, the very last segment, it says exclusive of the EIS process.

1:31:24

Um could you clarify what that means?

1:31:27

Because my understanding is the EIS recommendation was this very thing.

1:31:32

The EIS recommendation was phase one, increase buses, introduce tolling.

1:31:38

Um if that's already the recommendation for phase one, which is not yet been set in motion because of the lawsuit.

1:31:46

How how are we thinking exclusive of the EIS?

1:31:51

And I don't know that I can I'm the best one to speak to that.

1:31:54

Maybe the mayor might want to chime in on that.

1:31:56

But relative to uh transportation issues in Little Cottonwood Canyon, and I would add Big Cottonwood Canyon, because if for those of you that have been following this, the uh they there was recently a release of the environmental impact statement for Big Cottonwood Canyon, because a number of the transportation uh measures that they have anticipated will need to be done in tandem.

1:32:17

If you only toll one canyon, then you shift traffic.

1:32:19

It's so they will want to be a coordinated traffic uh mitigation plan, um, and they are working on that process.

1:32:26

As you mentioned, there was the initial EIS came out for Little Cottonwood Canyon.

1:32:31

There will city as a party to ongoing litigation.

1:32:35

Uh that EIS study had phase one, phase two, phase three, and the city has been actively involved with Salt Lake City Metro and the and UDOT and others, to find a way to see if we can move forward with the parts parts of that plan we agree on, essentially phase one and portions of phase two.

1:32:54

Thus far, we have not been able to reach an agreement or a stipulation to do that, and so UDOT's position has been you cry, you know, you claimed the process was flawed, that stops everything, and the city's position has been no, it doesn't need to stop everything, only the portions we were quarreling about.

1:33:10

That dialogue is ongoing as we speak.

1:33:13

But I think the so I don't as to Little Cottonwood Canyon, I guess canyon transportation generally.

1:33:19

I think it is important for us to work to find solutions here and now, notwithstanding the issues that are in dispute in the litigation.

1:33:26

I guess that's the point.

1:33:28

And we don't know how much the legislature will fund or give direction to UDOT in that process.

1:33:34

So I would look at that as a sort of a general description of the issue in which ways that will play out over the next three or four months.

1:33:40

That remains to be seen.

1:33:41

Well, I I think I want to make a point for the public who's watching.

1:33:45

You you said the city a couple of times.

1:33:48

Yes.

1:33:49

In this situation, that isn't the that is the city is administration.

1:33:53

What you the update you just provided is the first I've heard as a member of the city council in terms of communication happening, um, trying to problem solve with you, etc.

1:34:05

etc.

1:34:06

And and reaching an impasse.

1:34:08

We've unless I have been out out of it, maybe others have, but I don't know that the city council has been a part of that, nor were we a part of the decision to move forward with a lawsuit.

1:34:18

So I want to make sure when we say the city, it's administration.

1:34:24

Um but I understand you're coming to us because it's important to have a a common voice and a shared message.

1:34:30

Um that that's the piece that I'm I'm kind of like exclusive of the AI EIS process.

1:34:37

There hasn't been a shared voice.

1:34:39

There hasn't been correct.

1:34:42

Uh bear in mind, and this is this is where these issues are overlapping.

1:34:46

So the city council is the policy-making body, and we're talking about legislative policy and legislative our legislative policies and priorities for the legislative session.

1:34:55

On the other hand, in our form of government, the mayor and the executive branch are exclusively in charge of litigation.

1:35:03

But those two pieces obviously overlap.

1:35:08

So that's that's my only piece of feedback relative to these legislative priorities is as we are approaching our legislators and advocating for problem solving within Little Cottman Canyon.

1:35:22

I think we need to be realist and recognize that a process was followed, a recommendation was made for phase one to do this very thing, but that has come to a grinding halt.

1:35:36

Um and I think that's just it's gonna how do we advocate when with the legislature to to move forward on these things, exclusive of the EIS process when that's the work that the EIS recommends.

1:35:51

Right.

1:35:51

Well fair point.

1:35:54

I guess I and I again I can't speak for the mayor, but but the I think the concept would be the EIS process may be stalled because it's in litigation if there are transportation solutions that have to happen this year this ski season.

1:36:08

Those I think what I what I heard was we're looking for uh we want we want solutions for canyon traffic to mitigate and manage that traffic, notwithstanding the fact that there are items under dispute.

1:36:20

Okay, thank you.

1:36:23

Thank you, council member.

1:36:24

Are there other questions for Lynn at this point, or are we ready to kind of maybe discuss um anything else?

1:36:32

Okay, if you're more than welcome to take a seat if you'd like you.

1:36:35

Thank you very much for that presentation.

1:36:38

Um are there any other points of discussion on what we have or any additions that anybody thinks should be included in this list?

1:36:46

Councilmember Robinson.

1:36:49

Thank you, Madam Chair.

1:36:50

Yeah, I I think Mr.

1:36:52

Pace, you said something that was uh caught my attention and I fully agree with.

1:36:58

I think it is fair to go into the legislative session with some initial targets to aim at here.

1:37:05

But to your point, it's gonna change throughout the 45-day session and then possibly even beyond.

1:37:14

With that in mind, um, thank you.

1:37:17

Uh I had to have some tech support.

1:37:19

Um with that in mind, I I do think what is proposed is is fair and and reasonable at this current point in time, knowing again future discussions gonna have impact on a lot of these topics.

1:37:34

Um I really do appreciate the uh land use authority, because that is I I think really imperative to the council and the city, you know, um broadly.

1:37:46

So I I I'm glad that that one made the list.

1:37:49

Um the one thing that I would possibly add, and I think Ms.

1:37:55

Shark, you shared this either last meeting or the meeting before one of the two that we were here, is that there is some conversation of how property taxes are allocated by the by cities.

1:38:06

I would advocate that we absolutely need to be ringing that bell right out of the gates because that's how we get our dollars essentially, and that's how we we keep our city moving forward.

1:38:15

And if the legislature chooses to tinker around with that, that could have some catastrophic impacts on the city.

1:38:23

And so I would advocate that that be added to the list as one of our major priorities moving forward is any form of conversation that protects how cities can levy property tax and use property tax dollars.

1:38:38

I I think we have to be at the table for that.

1:38:41

So again, I I generally agree with everything we got here.

1:38:44

I do think there's a lot that's going to change, but I would advocate that we make that addition uh to be a part of that conversation.

1:38:51

I think our city is big enough that will catch a lot of attention from legislators.

1:38:56

I think uh we have really good information through our budget office and through our staff here in the city that could really help shape that conversation.

1:39:04

I would just ask that you do everything in your power to be at the table uh when that conversation is made.

1:39:09

And I would actually argue the same for our LPC committee members too, and I know that the league will probably take that on and be a massive part of that conversation, but if we can put Sandy City behind that, that would be my initial addition to the list.

1:39:24

And then, you know, sorry, I want to take a quick time out and say thank you for this because I've been asking for this conversation for the like the last three years, we just haven't had it for whatever reason.

1:39:34

So I'm glad that you're asking us now ahead of time.

1:39:37

And I'm actually glad too that there will be council representation at the meeting with our legislators on Friday.

1:39:43

Um, so I I just want to say thank you for extending that invitation and asking for our input before we start this process.

1:39:50

This is exactly what I would have envisioned as a good policy process moving forward.

1:39:55

So uh with that, um, I mean, I absolutely could get behind everything we have now.

1:40:00

I think uh what is going to be critical is that the body is kept up to date, you know, uh as a lot of these topics do progress.

1:40:08

Um I I felt like that was really uh impactful as well and really effective when we were all reaching out to not only colleagues in the legislature, but our own local um legislators as well on behalf of our position on the city council.

1:40:21

So I would just recommend that you continue to do that and add that practice in uh to however you move here forward as well.

1:40:29

But these issues I think are probably the most important ones right now for the city, and we also know too that uh the fire alarm will ring at some point during the legislative session, and there will be another higher priority issue that will pop up on this list.

1:40:43

So I would just again encourage a little flexibility, and then please don't stop asking for input even on those fire alarm issues that just happen to pop up, um, you know, because this body can be incredibly helpful for that as well.

1:40:56

But those are my initial convers or my initial thoughts.

1:40:59

I don't know if that's what you're after, but uh that's what I was thinking.

1:41:04

Can I respond to that?

1:41:05

Sure.

1:41:06

A couple of things that uh Zach's comments brought to mine.

1:41:09

And for me, yes, that's exactly the kind of feedback I'm looking for.

1:41:13

Uh do we have the list right?

1:41:15

If not, how does it need to be changed?

1:41:17

Because I think that dialogue is important.

1:41:19

Most of the issues on this list are admittedly defensive.

1:41:23

Right.

1:41:24

Uh, even the one on homelessness funding is protecting what's sort of status quote.

1:41:30

Don't don't mess it up.

1:41:32

So all of these are reflections of legislation that is being proposed that would change the status quo or threaten the way things are being done.

1:41:42

None of these today are affirmative actions except perhaps canyon transportation, right?

1:41:50

On the property tax issue specifically, for whatever reason, there's an anti-tax sentiment has been growing, particularly in the House.

1:41:59

And uh there, while we have uh many House members who are protective of local control and local authority, those same House members are adamant about what they call reigning in property tax uh authority, uh, which is scary because that's the only flexible revenue source we have.

1:42:17

Um those conversations range from rolling it back to caps to additional hearings to uh requiring a public vote if you want to raise tax uh all across the board, but there is a renewed attention on property tax.

1:42:33

So your comments are spot on.

1:42:35

That's a live issue for this session, and we will want to watch that.

1:42:38

Madam Chair, may I?

1:42:40

So I'm I'm okay with the defensive posture of our topics here.

1:42:44

I I have no issue with that.

1:42:47

Um, because I I do think at this point in time we are on defense.

1:42:51

We don't know what's gonna come down the line.

1:42:53

I don't think bill files are open yet.

1:42:54

If they are, I haven't looked at them.

1:42:56

And so uh so it's not like I'm I'm okay with that for now, but I I would ask, you know, that um and and I think you you're gonna do this.

1:43:06

I'm just throwing this out there so everybody can hear we're having the same conversation.

1:43:10

I would ask that you do go on the offense on some of those things, like like the property tax.

1:43:14

Um, and if you could ask them to define local control, I would really appreciate that.

1:43:19

Um put it on paper, that'd be awesome.

1:43:23

Duly noted.

1:43:24

But you know, like I I would hope that as the conversation evolves, you know.

1:43:29

I I know from my position up here for the next little bit, like I would hope you'd go on the offense on some of those things, and but I also would hope that you would reach out to the body to draw our experience in to help strengthen that offensive position.

1:43:43

So initially going into a plan defense, no sweat, uh, but but don't hesitate to pivot.

1:43:48

And and yeah, like it's it's always a wild 45 days.

1:43:52

There's something this list will change.

1:43:54

Um, and and I think we or the whoever's up here sitting needs to be aware of that that that things do change quickly up there.

1:44:02

We have great representation from the council and the LPC, and they do a really good job of of updating us when the legislative session's happening, and I don't see that changing at all, whomever the next appointees to LPC are.

1:44:14

So I I do think that the the body can be an asset in this conversation moving forward, and and uh yeah, I'll stop there.

1:44:23

Thank you.

1:44:24

Thank you for your comments, Mr.

1:44:26

Robinson.

1:44:26

I think that's really helpful too overall to this discussion.

1:44:29

And um council member Sharkey, did you have some comments?

1:44:34

That was my number one item on the list.

1:44:36

There are three last we heard three bill files opened on this, no numbered bills yet.

1:44:42

So um, yeah, I was surprised it wasn't on the list.

1:44:46

And among all the things that I have the greatest concerns about, I think this might be it just because of the fact that there seems to be a lot of interest here in a scary way.

1:45:00

And so, yeah, indicating proactively that we would resist any attempts to control uh property tax increases, setting set any kind of limits, anything like that.

1:45:12

I would love to put our state uh stake in the ground on this and say we would not, we would resist this.

1:45:20

Very I I think it would be bad for taxpayers.

1:45:23

I think it'd be bad for us.

1:45:24

I think it'd be bad for taxpayers.

1:45:26

I think it's bad all the way around.

1:45:28

And I'm worried about it too, because while this is newer, not a concept that is as well established.

1:45:36

There it there is talk in the fringe about eliminating income taxes in Utah.

1:45:43

And if that were to take wings and we also had limits on property tax increases, where do we go?

1:45:48

What do we do?

1:45:49

It's a worst case scenario, right?

1:45:52

So I think since this is the one that has legs right now, I'd really like to see us come out hard against that.

1:45:59

Um the maintaining local land use authority, this is probably part of this, but I'd like to use the phrase about state zoning preemptions, because that I think is something that we've been talking about for three years that we're worried that the legislature is going to bring next.

1:46:21

Each year we heave a sigh of relief that it didn't take wings in that legislative session, but I'm worried about it.

1:46:29

So and I don't I it's related.

1:46:31

I don't know if it's the same thing.

1:46:33

I'd like us to use the language that we would be that we would be against any kind of state um zoning preemptions and what all that means.

1:46:46

Um I do I get a little bit worried that that's gaining steam every year, and we are hearing that there is dismay at the fact that we're not building enough homes to resolve this problem, we're still in the midst of a housing affordability crisis.

1:47:02

What are we gonna do next?

1:47:03

And this is on that list of next, and we don't want to go there.

1:47:07

So whether that is in maintaining local land use authority or whether that's another line item, I'd love that phrase to be used in the fact that we are strongly against that.

1:47:20

That's all I have, Madam Chair.

1:47:22

Councilman, can I follow up on that?

1:47:23

Yeah.

1:47:24

Um I understand I understand your comments.

1:47:28

The the global sense of state zoning preemption would be state takes over zoning, local local municipalities no longer have zoning authority.

1:47:37

That hasn't been proposed yet, but what we do see every session is a whittling away of zoning authority.

1:47:46

So, for instance, a few years ago the state mandated that every city allow internal accessory dwelling units.

1:47:53

So it's just a small preemption but forced cities to do X, even if cities didn't want to.

1:47:59

This year that discussion will expand to external or detached accessory dwelling units.

1:48:04

So when you talk about state zoning preemptions, what I need to know is are you opposed to the global preemption?

1:48:12

Yes, of course we are.

1:48:14

Or are you opposed to every little preemption on the margins?

1:48:20

Because there are lots of those every year.

1:48:22

I'm opposed to every little one.

1:48:24

Good to know.

1:48:25

Because what the league will say to us is we got to pick our battles.

1:48:29

We can't fight every battle.

1:48:31

So which ones do you really care about and which ones are we gonna let go?

1:48:34

I'm worried about the nuclear state pre-owning exemptions by right.

1:48:38

Here's what you can do, property owner, you don't need to go you to your city.

1:48:42

I'm I'm worried about that.

1:48:44

And I don't think that that's that far-fetched.

1:48:46

I think we're getting a little bit closer, closer.

1:48:49

So along this this whole idea of where are we gonna put our flag in the ground and say we're don't even talk about this.

1:48:57

We will we will not support this.

1:48:59

I maybe I'm getting a little ahead of myself, but it's something we've been talking about for three years because it keeps coming up.

1:49:06

Other states have done it.

1:49:08

States are doing it in order to help resolve this problem.

1:49:11

We're trying to get our state not to do it.

1:49:14

So far we've been successful.

1:49:16

How long is that success gonna last?

1:49:18

That's what I'm worried about.

1:49:19

Anyway, so what I what I would expect is that as these issues uh arise, we will be back to say they're suggesting this small, the small take, or this small take, or this small preemption.

1:49:30

Are you okay?

1:49:31

Do you want to fight?

1:49:32

And and for those of you on LPC that have seen those Slido questions, they ask you, are you strongly opposed, moderately opposed, moderately in favor or and they try to get a pulse of the group because the league doesn't have the bandwidth to fight every issue, and so they have to sort of pick their battles.

1:49:49

And we will have to do the same.

1:49:51

But if that's the general message, got it, message received, okay.

1:49:55

Thank you.

1:49:56

Thank you, Councilmember Housman.

1:50:00

Thank you, Madam Chair.

1:50:02

If I could just like tag on to that as I agree.

1:50:06

I well, let me back up.

1:50:08

I want to echo what Mr.

1:50:09

Robinson said.

1:50:10

Thank you.

1:50:11

Thank you for bringing this list.

1:50:13

I think it's always productive to have some kind of stimulus that gets us talking, helps us understand where you are as administration preliminarily, and then how we can kind of workshop this.

1:50:28

So I I echo that appreciation.

1:50:30

I want to tag on to this what how do we what are we actually pushing back on with land use?

1:50:36

Because I agree, I think that's really important, in addition to what we've already talked about.

1:50:41

What I how I read this sometimes is the legislature sees some cities not doing some things that they want cities doing, and therefore they blanket the mandate across the state.

1:51:02

Why I would ask them, is there not a more tailored approach?

1:51:06

I feel like Sandy City is leading the way in being very responsible and searching it out as evident by our housing workshops, et cetera, et cetera.

1:51:15

We have all kinds of evidence to show, hey, legislature, we are taking this affordable housing affordability crisis seriously.

1:51:23

Look at our body of work.

1:51:26

Back off.

1:51:28

Like is there a way for us to say, carve if you're gonna do something and we oppose, like exempt us, look at our body of work and trust us to keep doing this work.

1:51:40

Is that even a possibility?

1:51:43

Um candidly, probably not.

1:51:46

Um but thanks for asking.

1:51:48

Um what happens is that a lot of legislation gets raised by anecdote.

1:51:53

So someone has a frustrating experience with municipality X, they go to their friend who happens to be a legislator, and the next thing we know we've got a bill that says everybody has to do this.

1:52:04

And you've seen this already, right?

1:52:06

Uh plans have to be approved with James go.

1:52:10

Ten days plans have to be approved within a certain time frame.

1:52:12

Why?

1:52:12

Because they're frustrated with long delays.

1:52:14

Not everywhere, but some places.

1:52:16

So we get a statewide mandate.

1:52:19

Um transportation uh development around transportation hubs or uh infrastructure planning.

1:52:27

All of those are driven by the anecdotes, and for communities that don't have problems, generally the legislation is consistent with what we're doing already, right?

1:52:37

But occasionally it isn't.

1:52:38

Occasionally it imposes either reporting requirements or timetables that are onerous for everybody because somebody got frustrated.

1:52:45

Yeah, the that it is very difficult to carve out certain cities.

1:52:52

Um we did this for Salt Lake City, we would often get carved out in ways we didn't want.

1:52:58

It would only apply to cities of the first class who had an air an international airport within their boundaries.

1:53:04

Thanks so much, right?

1:53:05

Those sort of things, but there is legislation that either includes only cities of the first class or applies only to cities of the second through sixth class or something, those types of things.

1:53:16

Um it's not impossible, but it's it's unlikely, I guess.

1:53:21

Thank you for that.

1:53:22

Um I have one more, one more just um as we're continuing to think about addressing housing and infrastructure.

1:53:30

I wonder something that was not on the priorities list that, and and I get a priorities list, you have to have priorities.

1:53:36

You can't put everything on the list, so I understand that.

1:53:38

But wondering I'm having is um an opportunity to ask the legislature to help see us as a viable partner in the trail connectivity.

1:53:50

So so even the governor has announced significant interest and investment in terms of expanding the regional network.

1:54:00

Um, and I really want us to be called into those conversations far more frequently than we are because I think there are some key things we can do in Sandy to connect our what we've been doing with trails and parks to regional networks in the effort to expand walkshed, which we've been talking about now for a few years.

1:54:24

Um and I and I I don't know what that looks like in terms of identifying that as a legislative priority, but I think and and I'm sad, you know, because Dan has some great thinking about this, but I know there's others in the department who have some great thinking about that as well.

1:54:39

But what does it look like for us to think a little differently about that regional?

1:54:46

I I feel like there's still a few barriers that could be removed that would make it easier for us to be seen as a as a partner in this work.

1:54:55

Right.

1:54:56

The governor's office, as I think you know, has identified this as a priority for their administration.

1:55:00

Yep.

1:55:00

Um they were quick to add that that that did not mean that they were going to restore eminent domain authority to complete the gaps on some of these trails.

1:55:09

Um so what what this really amounts to is master planning and coming up with funding to acquire the properties of the easements necessary.

1:55:20

Um that can happen at the state level, that can happen at the local level, but that it really sort of shifts to a more of a funding uh challenge than uh a legislative challenge.

1:55:30

But I am confident that there will be uh legislation or at least appropriations aimed at the governor's stated priorities, and we would want to be part of that.

1:55:39

Let's just wave our hand and say.

1:55:41

Okay.

1:55:42

Okay?

1:55:42

Yep.

1:55:43

That's the only other thing I had.

1:55:44

Thank you, Madam Chair.

1:55:46

Thank you.

1:55:46

Um I I just wanted to kind of quickly um talk about the the one thing that I feel is um missing, it's not necessarily missing, but I think it's there's a slightly different spin on it.

1:55:59

Um but first, you know, backing up again, I just want to say that um echo what everybody else has said about this process.

1:56:05

This process um has not happened since I've been on the council in terms of uh getting together and converging on the legislative priorities of the city, and so I appreciate this conversation.

1:56:17

You know, I I never think that we're all gonna be in agreement, right?

1:56:20

But I I appreciate the opportunity to have a discussion and come to some consensus where it comes to the city as a whole.

1:56:27

Um so thank you for this conversation.

1:56:30

Um so overall, I I generally agree with what um the administration has included and the couple of comments from colleagues about um some additions regarding property tax.

1:56:41

And so where I am kind of focusing on is on the affordable housing, and this is very specific to housing itself, and what I'd like to also distinguish between is housing affordability and and what that actually means, because in my opinion, in the conversations that I'm having, and with the you know, talking with with the actual people trying to buy homes in this unaffordable housing situation, there's more housing costs than just the cost of the mortgage, right?

1:57:14

Is and I feel like that's what affordable housing really gets at is the mortgage.

1:57:18

You know, you have the HOA fees, and I think that the water fees and water bill portion of this kind of comes into what I'm calling kind of uh housing costs, housing affordability, because it's not something that somebody who owns a home can opt out of, you know, water fees, water bills, utility.

1:57:38

If we're talking about being an AI server center, you know, and and talking about energy costs and and things like that, that's those are utilities that again homeowners cannot opt out of, otherwise, by state code their houses become um condemnable and uninhabitable.

1:57:54

And so we need to I I want to make sure that there is um push towards the mindset of wrapping these things in and understanding the push-pull effect of some of these in terms of housing affordability.

1:58:08

Um I feel like too often these conversations happen in a silo.

1:58:12

You've got one group really interested in this and this, and and I think that we just need to beat the drum and and change um open mindsets to what housing affordability and housing costs are.

1:58:23

And so I would like to start distinguishing that in our conversations about affordable housing and wrapping in even the world, excuse me, the wild land urban interface fire fees, that has an effect on insurance rates for property owners, you know, in our city in those wooy areas, and so um all of the bills that affect a person's uh a property owner's um costs feed into this affordable housing, housing and affordability um conversation, and so that would be where I would go.

1:58:58

Agreed.

1:58:58

Let me just let me make sure I understand.

1:59:01

So if you talk about the costs of the the land in the building, so the cost of the housing itself, are you talking about the other accessory costs that that are tacked onto that?

1:59:13

Meaning if if it's if it's a new home, uh it varies if it's a new home or an existing home, but you have impact fees, you have permit fees, you have hookup fees, you have utility fees, um, and there's a whole dialogue happening in the state about the cost of infrastructure and that part of the challenge of creating new housing, and there's there's no infrastructure.

1:59:34

Um cities have adopted a philosophy that suggests that growth should pay for itself.

1:59:42

So when the when new development projects come in, they pay for their own uh utility connections to extend the water mains, fire hydrant, roads, whatever it is, and they pay for it and donate those facilities to the city because we don't want to we don't want to burden existing residents with the cost of this new growth.

2:00:00

Now, so all of those being acknowledged, I don't know what dialogue except for uh there's there's two conversations that I'm aware of that are happening right now.

2:00:10

One is they're trying to standardize development standards, so road width, asphalt depth, sidewalk width, all those things because they're different all over the state.

2:00:21

And say and the development community has been saying if you just standardize those across the state, the city gets this much road width.

2:00:29

We will pay for it, dedicate the city, build it.

2:00:32

If you want more than that, the city pays the difference, something like that.

2:00:36

The league has thus far been resisting that steadfastly because once as Ant Cameron says, one size misfits all, right?

2:00:43

Um so that but there's a lot of discussion about standardizing development, uh development regulations across the state.

2:00:50

That would it doesn't necessarily reduce the costs, it sort of caps them and makes them more predictable.

2:00:56

The other conversation is about exp finding a way to fund infrastructure that doesn't apply to Sandy so much, it's mostly new growth communities.

2:01:05

Um but that conversation is also occurring.

2:01:08

So I now having gone into this long diatribe, sorry.

2:01:11

Tell me what it is exactly you would like us to advocate for, or is it just general awareness of the fact that there's more elements going into the total cost of the housing?

2:01:21

Maybe more just general awareness, because you know what like I totally understand the conversation that you were just having, and to me, those things those topics are more um in line with affordable housing, the housing cost in and of itself, and those those upfront um impact fees, the infrastructure.

2:01:37

If if the new development is paying for it on its own, the person who purchases that home is paying for all of that infrastructure, and so that does affect the cost of the house and the mortgage that they will get.

2:01:48

And so I just you know, like I I but that's not the entire um that's not the entire cost of owning a home.

2:01:55

And so, like when I'm out there working with home buyers and we're trying to figure out what they can afford every month, we also have to consider what the utilities are, you know, especially when they're looking at different um age of homes and square footage of homes, right?

2:02:07

So the the utility bills become um a really big impact in their ability to afford this particular home, even if the mortgage is low, da-da-da-da, right?

2:02:16

And so I just think that there needs to be more awareness to the um decisions that they are making, maybe in a silo that have an effect on a property owner's cost, overall costs.

2:02:29

And so, like the wildland urban interface, I agree that that's something that we should be advocating for, but I also would like to point out you know, in um if if we are unsuccessful in doing that, all that does is add to housing in affordability.

2:02:40

So it's not affordable housing, it's housing affordability, and so that's that's kind of what I'm advocating for.

2:02:45

I just want to make sure that we are um having that dialogue and trying to bring people into that mindset so that it's more comprehensive.

2:02:55

Okay.

2:02:57

So are there any council member strapped?

2:03:01

Thank you.

2:03:02

And and I agree with I mean the emphasis that the council members, you know, and administration that you have as well, a couple you know, little things to really, I think hone in on is once again that local control of zoning.

2:03:14

Um, you know, the state seems to take a hammer to everything.

2:03:18

You know, we see a problem, we're just bam, and we're going, hey, we've done all this just because another city has not.

2:03:24

Um, you know, you are restricting us, and we are we're landlocked.

2:03:28

You know, it's not you know, this isn't for future growth.

2:03:31

So, you know, really emphasizing and taking more of a proactive approach on that and less reactive to it, but hitting that you know as as an emphasis.

2:03:40

Um, you know, that the part where let's see, um, including more affordable housing, uh, utilizing state incentives, uh, I think you know, it to see what that percentage and also hammer in on home ownership and not just um for rental units.

2:03:58

Uh I know that there was some some talk on stacked you know, stacked condo units, so similar to apartment buildings, um, but from my understanding, a lot of the developers and builders and banks were saying, nope, we can't do that with condos, we'll do it with apartments but not condos.

2:04:16

You know, what does that look like?

2:04:17

Because there was some issue, the state was saying one thing, but banks were saying something different, um, but seeing if that can be cleaned up so that that becomes one of those options uh for builders for for cities to be able to look at um approving for the future.

2:04:33

Um and then two things that really haven't been hit on a lot, but that the homeless funding, that homeless mitigation, for us to be cut back as much as we were this year, um, you know, after we had closed our budget and to find out that we're now you know 120,000 less of what we were getting for doing something that uh that we were trying to help fix a problem.

2:05:01

And hey, you know what?

2:05:02

We're gonna take that from you.

2:05:03

After you've passed your budget, you'll figure it out, I'm sure you will.

2:05:07

That was was not appreciated.

2:05:10

And I think for cities that do have shelters, um, that we need to make sure that that we are not that that is not a cost burden for our residents.

2:05:27

So, you know, really taking a strong position on that, to make sure that the police and fire department with the amount of time that they are responding there, that we're taking care of on that.

2:05:41

Um something that's not here at all, and it just kind of popped up, and I guess it's some of its teacher and seeing kind of where things are going, but you know, that the uh crime reform, you know, of the punishment with that, you know, there's a lot of catch and release.

2:05:58

You know, if that's something, and we see that here on our streets, you know, when it's when I'm familiar with names that pop up, when I'm familiar with houses, and I I I mean that's that's a problem.

2:06:10

Oh no, yeah, take them to jail and they're out two hours later, you know, for things that are pretty significant, pretty significant, and that's you know, that was a crime reform that went through about 15 years ago in the state legislature, and we have people throughout the city.

2:06:27

We have a lot of these um violent offenders, and it's a catch and release, and it's nothing that our police department can do to fix that.

2:06:39

You can catch them, you take them to jail, and then they're out within hours.

2:06:46

So that is a public safety issue that impacts everywhere throughout the state.

2:06:53

Um, but it's you know, here in Sandy we see it a lot.

2:06:57

Can I respond to that?

2:06:59

Uh on the homelessness issue, the again, that's a hot issue.

2:07:04

As you as you are aware, the state is proposing to open a very large homeless campus, uh, probably in West Northwest Salt Lake City.

2:07:15

Um,300 beds.

2:07:18

That's in addition to all of the homeless beds that currently exist.

2:07:21

Now, the homelessness mitigation funding is allocated based upon assessments to money, state money, but also assessments to cities, uh, and then that money is pooled and paid to the cities who have shelters to pay, help offset the cost those shelters create with the addition of thirty, and it's and it's distributed by bed.

2:07:41

So if you add 1,300 new beds, you either have to increase the assessment, decrease the distribution, or the state has to come up with a whole lot of money to fund this on its own.

2:07:53

Where that will end up, I don't know, but that's that's a live issue.

2:07:56

So thank you.

2:07:57

We'll be watching that one.

2:07:58

Second, on the criminal justice reform, I'm not the expert on this, but by and large, that is a product of jail beds.

2:08:06

And if you want if you want harsher penalties for uh it's more than that, there's there's a sense that jail time didn't do a lot to rehabilitate or reform people for when they got out.

2:08:21

And so there's been a shift in emphasis on treatment and rehabilitation to help people rather than just incarcerate them and get them off the street.

2:08:29

But um, and and I I'm not the expert to say how well that's working or it isn't working, but there was a shift, and so there was there's there's less jail time for things like drug use, drug possession, uh, things like that.

2:08:42

The if you really want you know to to have stiffer penalties in terms of incarceration for a broad category, then you're talking about additional facil jail facilities, which is a big ticket item that is probably beyond our I don't know, I don't know.

2:09:00

We we want to be the point of the spear on that argument.

2:09:02

And that and it's it's not necessarily stiffer penalties, it's they need to fix this problem.

2:09:07

They need to help with it.

2:09:09

Well, if if they're arrested and there is no bed, there's no there's no space to put them, someone has to be let go.

2:09:17

So if it's a mental health issue, then I think the state, if it's a homeless issue, and that's and and to understand, and I understand how that formula works, um, but for us to be I don't want to say penalized um to not receive the amount of of money that we need to be able to maintain a level of service because we have a homeless shelter, as do other cities.

2:09:47

I that's you know, when we were back in DC this last year, you know, hearing that Utah spends the most money per homeless individual in than any other state.

2:10:00

Yet we had a reduction in that amount of money that Sandy City did because we have a shelter here that is serving people that are they're medically vulnerable.

2:10:09

But that is I I just I really want to make sure that whatever they need to do, they're talking about shuffling money around, whatever that looks like is to make sure that we are not penalized because we opened our city to having to having a a shelter.

2:10:29

It was just even this last Sunday, you know, having a discussion with with some officers, and they're talking about no, yeah, we're seeing this, and that's you know, and a lot of it is that you have these residents that are at the shelter have friends.

2:10:46

I mean, that's you know, but the friends come down and they're here, and then we have this additional issue.

2:10:52

What can we do to help move them so that they are not hanging out on the streets to move them into that next phase of life?

2:11:01

Um, and it's it is something that impacts Sandy, and so that's I'm just relaying that information that I do think we need to be watching that um and be a little more.

2:11:11

I mean, all of these seem very reactive.

2:11:13

Um, you know, at what point are we saying we have a problem, you know, we need to stand up and say, you know, but whatever the body feels taking that step forward, but these are problems that have come to me from residents and that I have seen, and I think we need to take more of a of a stronger stance to that.

2:11:32

Thank you.

2:11:34

All right, thank you very much.

2:11:37

So I just want to kind of talk about the procedure now.

2:11:40

Did you have something you wanted to add, Dustin?

2:11:42

I I just wanted to know.

2:11:43

So I I tried to add to the list everything that you've all brought up, and I'm wondering if you would like me to just pull it up.

2:11:48

I mean, it's my my language.

2:11:51

The last one, Councilmember Stroud was just discussing.

2:11:55

Maybe I had the most difficult time kind of noting that one down.

2:11:59

Um, and then you guys can look at it and maybe make a decision on uh if you'd like to support this list or make any additional changes to it, but is it okay if I pull that up for you?

2:12:08

Yeah, I think that would be helpful.

2:12:09

Thank you.

2:12:35

If you'd like, I'm happy to walk through the additions, madam chair.

2:12:42

Yeah, you can go ahead and quickly run through those additions uh okay.

2:12:47

Uh the first under the maintaining local land use authority, there was some discussion about the state zoning preemptions.

2:12:53

So I added a sentence uh at the end that we oppose comprehensive state zoning preemptions.

2:12:58

I don't know if that captures exactly what you're looking for.

2:13:01

Um, but it was my best my best efforts open to changes on that.

2:13:06

Uh, under affordable housing, uh Councilmember D'Sussa, I tried to capture you know what you were addressing here, and in my understanding was that you were saying, hey, what's the total cost to to live in the house?

2:13:17

Not necessarily just the mortgage payment, but the utility bills, the insurance, maybe it's even how much it it costs you to pay for gas to get to and from work.

2:13:27

I don't know.

2:13:28

But so I added a sentence we support legislation that encourages housing affordability through the lands of the total cost to purchase and live in your home over time.

2:13:36

Um just my first attempt or draft.

2:13:39

I don't know if that captures what you were uh looking to capture.

2:13:44

And then there were a few uh completely new additions.

2:13:48

Uh there was some mention of our municipal taxing authority, and so these are kind of short, but I noted uh municipal property taxing authority maintain our existing municipal property taxing authority.

2:13:59

Uh this was Councilmember Houseman's trail connections partnering with the state to expand regional and statewide trail connections and networks.

2:14:06

And then Councilmember Stroud, I had I think I had the hardest time noting yours, but yeah, I called it criminal penalty reform.

2:14:13

Uh we support legislation that reverses the near immediate release from jail of convicted offenders.

2:14:18

I don't know if that captures what you were looking for.

2:14:21

It was my best stab open to any edits that you guys have or anything you'd like me to remove from the list or uh change, but I tried to capture your conversations there.

2:14:36

Thank you, Dustin.

2:14:37

Um I feel that for the most part, even like speaking about mine specifically, minus the I think it's lenses spelt has a typo, but other than that, um I feel like it's captured well enough for this purpose.

2:15:04

I don't know that we would advocate for something that doesn't reflect what you're actually trying to advocate for.

2:15:08

That would be my thought.

2:15:10

So does anybody else I'll come back to you just a moment.

2:15:13

Does anybody else have any um issues?

2:15:15

Go ahead, Councilmember Robinson.

2:15:17

No issues.

2:15:18

I I tend to agree with what you just said there.

2:15:20

I mean, I think these are general broad topics that we're asking to just put a on the radar.

2:15:26

These are moving targets.

2:15:28

And so uh I think the broadness of the list is appropriate.

2:15:34

I think you know, Lynn, is you're doing the work there and mayor is you're up there every day, and our LPC folks that are up there every day.

2:15:40

I think just having these broad topics as a general direction, I I think is totally appropriate at this point in time.

2:15:49

I I don't think we need to get into incredible amounts of detail because it's going to change.

2:15:55

So I I support the broad topics.

2:15:58

I think with the criminal penalty reform, uh, that's a big a big apple to take a bite of.

2:16:04

Um I I feel like I understand where you're coming from on that.

2:16:09

I just don't know if I think I that might be too broad, honestly.

2:16:16

So that's where I'm coming from.

2:16:18

But I I think in a general sense, the way that these are on the paper as our initial start going down the path, I would I'd feel a hundred percent comfortable saying yes to this list right now, madam chair.

2:16:32

Go ahead.

2:16:33

Yes.

2:16:34

Um with the criminal justice reform.

2:16:38

It's what we've heard a lot about in the county's uh county budget, the bond proposal that failed.

2:16:46

I don't know that that's there's a core state function that is going to develop on that theme.

2:16:54

And if this is something, you know, maybe doing a council resolution in support of the county's budget on some aspect of it, might be more on target, just putting that out there.

2:17:05

I don't know that that there's gonna be an effort or a response of yeah, it's just too broad.

2:17:10

I think we we share that frustration, but um getting it to the county is the um funding source for the jails and the criminal justice reform and the district attorney's office and all of the things that we see in community policing and revolving door policy that's kind of squarely in the county.

2:17:28

So I would make a suggestion maybe consider moving that to a county advocacy discussion.

2:17:35

Um this is a really great list and really great feedback.

2:17:39

Thank you, council members.

2:17:41

Would you like to join me in presenting this to the our our residents with a legislative priorities survey?

2:17:47

I notice Congressman Kennedy has one rolling right now before the next Congress goes into session.

2:17:53

And while we may be very aligned, there may be other items that we are not receptive to that are percolating in the conversation in the community.

2:18:06

I just want to make sure that for my role I'm aligned with the our residence goals.

2:18:11

Would you like to do a joint survey to the community on our legislative priorities?

2:18:17

Um I I I like the offer, but let's get together maybe after this and kind of just decide or discuss what that looks like, and then we could absolutely get back to you.

2:18:24

Um if there's an opportunity to join forces there, I I think that we would agree to do that.

2:18:29

Okay, thank you.

2:18:30

I don't want to speak for the council in that, but I'm looking around.

2:18:34

Okay.

2:18:34

Um Mr.

2:18:35

Pace, you had something you wanted to respond to.

2:18:37

And I don't I don't mean to belabor the point, but one of the challenges that you that you will have in legislative priorities is that there'll be things that we're hopping mad about, like they're cutting funding for schools.

2:18:48

And you know, we're frustrated about that, or they want to change the fund, but it's not really a city issue.

2:18:54

Cities don't deal with schools.

2:18:56

And to this last point, we don't typically deal with the criminal justice system at the at the incarceration level.

2:19:02

That's typically county, state, or federal.

2:19:04

So if you feel strong about it, great, put it on the list and say why you do.

2:19:08

But I I would caution you about getting too far spread in terms of issues that are not really within our purview.

2:19:15

That's yeah, I I I mean it it is broad.

2:19:18

So take it off.

2:19:22

Okay, so it sounded like Council Member Stroud, you're okay to remove the criminal penalty reform from the list.

2:19:28

And then I think council member Robinson, you had um you were ready with a yeah, yeah.

2:19:32

Uh this since this is an informal conversation, I I would move that the council support this list of legislative priorities uh and and forward that recommendation to administration to move forward as amended.

2:19:48

As amended, yes.

2:19:49

We took the criminal justice one off, right?

2:19:50

Yeah.

2:19:51

I'll second that.

2:19:52

Um okay, so motion and a second.

2:19:54

Is there any discussion on that motion?

2:19:58

All right.

2:20:00

Um should we roll called out this then?

2:20:02

Uh I think you're fine to just do a voice vote.

2:20:04

Okay, great.

2:20:05

Um okay, well, then all in favor say aye.

2:20:07

Aye.

2:20:08

Any opposed?

2:20:09

All right.

2:20:10

Well, that was a really good discussion.

2:20:11

Thank you very much.

2:20:12

And um the second part of that though, we aren't done with this item.

2:20:16

Is um this kind of arose from a uh a preview meeting with our legislators to go over the city's priorities that the mayor set up for Friday morning.

2:20:26

And so, in order to not run a foul of OTMA, we need to select delegates to attend that meeting.

2:20:31

I believe it's at 8 30 in the morning.

2:20:33

Is that correct?

2:20:34

And so um who uh who would like to attend, who was available to attend.

2:20:40

Um we want to make sure that whoever attends is available, and otherwise you're taking a spot from somebody else, right?

2:20:45

Um, council member Robinson.

2:20:47

Thank you, Madam Chair.

2:20:48

Yeah, uh, so I I know I can't be there, but I would advocate for our current LPC members, and I think that's members to SUSE to Kaiser and Sharkey.

2:20:59

Or just the two of you.

2:21:00

So I would advocate that the two of you are at the table since you're gonna be the ones running with this to start the legislative session, and then if there is a third council member that can make that meeting, you know, I'm open for whatever.

2:21:12

I just think having having having you start the conversation now would be really imperative as you're gonna be up there with the mayor and Lynn and have so I I would to me that's a logical start, and then if we want to add the third in, I I could go either direction on that.

2:21:27

But I did just want to put the plug in for our current LPC members.

2:21:31

Probably not a bad idea to have them there initially.

2:21:34

Thank you, Councilmember.

2:21:36

Not me.

2:21:37

And and I I would agree that that is a good starting point.

2:21:40

And so I guess the very first question is um, are you both available and able to attend?

2:21:45

Okay.

2:21:45

Um I would yeah, okay.

2:21:50

Is there another council member that is available and would like to attend Friday morning at eight?

2:22:02

Are you available to go?

2:22:03

Would you like to go?

2:22:04

Are you available?

2:22:05

Would you like to go?

2:22:06

Okay.

2:22:07

Um I am, but I am okay to um step back on this one if you are available and would like to go.

2:22:13

So okay.

2:22:15

Well, let's go ahead and put up um council members Sharkey DeKaiser and Stroud as the council representatives to that legislative meeting.

2:22:24

So moved.

2:22:25

Do I have a second?

2:22:26

Second.

2:22:27

Second.

2:22:28

Any discussion on that?

2:22:31

All right.

2:22:31

Um all in favor say aye.

2:22:34

Aye.

2:22:34

Aye.

2:22:35

Any opposed?

2:22:36

Okay.

2:22:37

We have concluded.

2:22:38

Madam Chair, can I just oh go ahead.

2:22:40

I just wanted to make a quick comment.

2:22:42

Um first of all, thanks to Lynn for assisting in Kim's role.

2:22:46

The mayor must be ecstatic to have someone with such experience and intelligence step into this role.

2:22:52

Um, but something that you said is we need to have a unified message, and I just wanted to be clear that these legislative priorities are not the only things that will come up.

2:23:01

I hope you continue doing the action alerts to the council, uh, as we all recall getting those and participating in them.

2:23:07

There will be other things that are outside of these priorities that still affect the city.

2:23:11

So I just want to make that clear and encourage my colleagues to continue to participate when those alerts come out from Lynn.

2:23:18

Thank you.

2:23:19

Very, very fair and yes, agreed.

2:23:21

I think that we all need to be diligent, and we'll look to you and and Cindy, our LPC members, to really help us understand what's coming forward.

2:23:29

This is really just a starting point as the session gets off.

2:23:33

So thank you everybody for the collaboration on this.

2:23:36

Um that does conclude.

2:23:40

Before I do, yes.

2:23:42

Uh just so no, I'm planning on going on Friday morning as well, and we've also invited our two council members elect uh to attend.

2:23:49

So just a heads up to the council.

2:23:51

That's great.

2:23:51

Thank you.

2:23:53

Um all right.

2:23:54

Well then we are officially concluding item number four on the agenda, and uh moving into item number five, which is an interlocal agreement between Sandy City and the Governor's Office of Economic Opportunity.

2:24:04

Um I have Casey uh from our economic development director presenting this item, so I'll go ahead and give it over to you.

2:24:12

Thank you, madam chair and council.

2:24:14

Uh since Lynn's our dedicated legislative affairs person, now I'm just gonna turn this item over to Lynn.

2:24:20

Go ahead and take it away, Lynn.

2:24:21

I object.

2:24:23

Um speaking of legislation, um, and this being a topic, you know, an important topic tonight.

2:24:29

Uh this agreement that uh you have in your packets and before you actually was created through uh legislation this past uh legislative session.

2:24:38

Um I know I I I supplied a lot of information as far as the staff report and that, so I'm gonna try and I always say this try and keep it brief.

2:24:46

I don't think I can usually keep things brief, but I will try and and leave it up to more uh you know opportunity for questions.

2:25:00

This interlocal agreement essentially establishes a dedicated um statutory statutorily restricted revenue through this through the state through state code um uh for essentially many uses and it's actually um restricted to certain cities and certain uses.

2:25:13

Um one being uh Sandy City.

2:25:17

Really the the ultimately the you know the intent of this is an actual pass through.

2:25:21

This was created with an additional quarter percent of TRT revenues from the state that it's created in a county of the first class, and it has to be used for certain um purposes outlined in the state code, and I have those code sections in your uh staff reports, and they're um stipulated in the interlocal, so I won't go through those.

2:25:42

Bottom line, this is revenue that's created to come to Sandy City and intended as a essentially a pass-through to go to um it can be used either for convention center uh purposes, uh recreational, state recreational purposes, stadiums, those types.

2:25:58

So really, bottom line, this was intended to come to Sandy City and be a pass-through to the Miller group to be used um for the renovation construction improvements to the stadium.

2:26:08

The stadium now is almost it's nearing 20 years old, um, and there's a lot of costs associated with you know uh what's needed in that stadium.

2:26:16

Talking to the Miller group, I want to recognize um or just let you know that Amanda Cummington with with the Miller Group and Spencer uh Hillsay, hopefully I I uh pronounced that correctly.

2:26:27

Um also with the Larry Miller Group uh real estate, um they're here and they can answer also answer any questions.

2:26:34

But we worked uh diligently with with the Miller Group.

2:26:37

I've worked uh this past probably six months, specifically the past two or three weeks with the state AG's office, uh the governor's office of of economic opportunity, and uh also the state uh finance and budget office on this interagrement uh interlocal agreement.

2:26:52

But basically what it what it says is that we'll receive these funds and these funds um we will just turn around essentially and and uh and pass through those to the Miller group to be used under the stipulations of state code.

2:27:06

Uh there's two things that I do want to point out.

2:27:10

One um under the state code starting July 1st, 2027, and sometimes I get these mixed up, um, or before July 1st, 2027, so you already got it mixed up.

2:27:20

Um this funding can be used um only within a city of the first class and for those purposes outlined in the statute.

2:27:28

So really there's only a couple of cities that could actually use this money for those purposes.

2:27:34

After July 1 of 2027, what it stays states in the state code is it has to be used within a city of a first class with a convention center and that's not a capital city.

2:27:44

So basically, this money is intended through the legislat legislature to come to Sandy City as a path through, pass through for stadium improvements.

2:27:53

Um there's a lot more to this.

2:27:55

I'm happy to answer any questions, um, but this is really um created through the state legislature and intended as a pass-through from Sandy City to the Miller Group and to uh the soccer stadium.

2:28:06

Thank you, Casey.

2:28:07

Are there any initial questions for Casey on this from anybody?

2:28:14

All right.

2:28:15

Um Ryan stepped out, so if he comes back and would like to uh make a comment.

2:28:21

But right now, let's see.

2:28:23

If I understand that we are this is just an information item, right?

2:28:29

Yes.

2:28:30

Yeah.

2:28:31

Sorry, I'm like I flipped a page faster than I should have on this.

2:28:35

And one thing I forgot I failed to mention, madam chair, in your packets is the inner local that stipulates um uh those things as well as a memorandum of understanding or an agreement with uh we're changing that right now.

2:28:48

It says the Miller uh Larry H.

2:28:50

Miller group, but that will be changed and we'll bring that back when you when I look for approval to actually USSO soccer.

2:28:57

Um so that's really just some cleanup language that I'm just giving you heads up on.

2:29:01

That'll be in your packets for this next week when you when I look for approval on that.

2:29:05

But that memorandum of understanding um with USSO soccer um basically mirrors the stipulations in the um the interlocal agreement between the city and the state, meaning we're required quarterly reports to the state on how this money is being used, so we're gonna require um the Miller group to do the same.

2:29:25

So it really mirrors those requirements so we make sure that the city is meeting the state requirements.

2:29:32

Okay, and there is a a resolution that will come back.

2:29:35

Yes, yeah, I'll bring back a resolution for both.

2:29:37

They'll outline this and um council member meekham.

2:29:40

I uh I I apologize that we continued while you were out.

2:29:42

I just wanted to offer you an opportunity.

2:29:44

Did you have any questions on the MOU, the interlocal agreement for with the governor's office of economic?

2:29:50

Okay.

2:29:52

Okay, Councilmember Sharkey.

2:29:55

It's just a simple question in the MOU between Sandy City and the Larry H.

2:30:01

Miller Company.

2:30:02

So there's one line item here that says whereas LHM has a long-term lease to use, operate, and maintain the soccer stadium.

2:30:11

So does the MOU survive a situation where there is no lease, long-term lease anymore?

2:30:20

Well, the the I'll look to our city attorney to answer that.

2:30:25

But we do have a 50-year lease on the ground.

2:30:28

But I'll I'll defer to Lynn.

2:30:29

This this um this is a revenue source that was created by the state that is coming to Sandy City, and then Sandy City is turning around, and and actually the agreement will be modified, so it's not the Larry H.

2:30:40

Miller group, it will be USSOSSO, so the soccer organization.

2:30:45

Um and and the purposes for which the those funds will be used as authorized by the statute are limited to stadium stadium improvements, etc.

2:30:52

etc.

2:30:53

So there wouldn't be a uh you're asking a hypothetical that's interesting, but the purposes for which they they claim they will use the money are all related to the stadium.

2:31:02

They would only do that if they have a lease, and that's that's sort of the scenario.

2:31:07

If for some reason that lease were terminated, then we would we would uh would obviously amend this agreement as well.

2:31:13

Okay, that would be my example.

2:31:14

So the answer is a new one.

2:31:16

Well, I think I think the these funds are are tied to the stadium.

2:31:21

If if they no longer own uh le were leasing the stadium or no longer had rights to do that, then there'd be no reason for continuing to extend the funds.

2:31:31

Yeah, just wondering with the bonds paying off in a few years, whether that holds the potential of changing that arrangement of the long-term lease and whether again, whether this still prevails.

2:31:44

I think that's the intention.

2:31:45

Right.

2:31:45

And I'm just wondering if and I can't speak for the owner of the stadium, right?

2:31:51

But but the likelihood is that this is a revenue stream that will be used to make capital improvements now, and then we can make payments on those.

2:32:01

Right.

2:32:02

So I just wondered whether that language meant does this again, does a change in that specific aspect cause survive the MOU or does the MOU need to be?

2:32:14

We we could certainly we could certainly address that contingency if you'd want, but the the operator of the of the stadium, whether that was that was a different group and now it's the Miller group, um, has the option to purchase when the bonds are paid off, but that they don't have to exercise that and they have a lease for a dollar a year.

2:32:36

So the likelihood that they would walk away at that low rent rate is not very high.

2:32:41

I guess that's my point.

2:32:46

Okay.

2:32:47

All right, thank you, Councilmember Sharkey.

2:32:49

Um, before we close this out, is there anything else you wanted to add?

2:32:52

Yeah, thank you, madam chair.

2:32:53

I just wanted to add um to um council member Sharky's uh question and comment.

2:32:59

I think that's just what this is why this is such a positive uh for Sandy for us from an economic development perspective, but as a city and the whole as a whole, this is TRT revenue, so it's coming on the back of visitors through the county, not on our on the back of our residents.

2:33:15

Um that's actually coming directly to Sandy and cut going to the Miller group to be used for the stadium.

2:33:20

So what this is doing is they're gonna take this money, they're gonna put this money into stadium improvements.

2:33:26

So I what it tells me as the economic development director is they're um you know investing in many years in the future of Sandy City on keeping the stadium here in Sandy, all the benefits that come with it and the economic development development benefits that come with it.

2:33:42

So you know, maybe the least uh again the concern of the lease, but I see this as it's just more of a um it just shows more of an investment with the Miller group and what they're looking to do in Sandy and with the stadium and end up being in Sandy here in uh you know for long term.

2:33:58

So thank you, Casey.

2:34:00

Um if there isn't anything else then, then we will go ahead and close out this item and um wait to see the resolution in a future meeting.

2:34:08

Thank you.

2:34:09

Thank you.

2:34:10

All right, that brings us to item number six, um, which is the police department providing the council with a presentation about policing in the historic Sandy neighborhood.

2:34:18

And we have John Arnold, our interim chief of police presenting on this.

2:34:22

So um, Chief Arnold, I'll go ahead and give it over to you right now.

2:34:26

And I think Liz are gonna pull up that.

2:34:28

Great, thank you.

2:34:32

I think we'd be missing a complete opportunity here if we didn't have our deputy chief come up and stand right next to our interim chief so we could get the command staff.

2:34:45

Come on down, Corey Hess.

2:34:49

This is great to get acquainted with new leadership too.

2:34:51

So, God bless.

2:34:57

Okay.

2:35:00

Um I was asked uh to create a presentation talking about crime statistics and historic Sandy.

2:35:07

I wanted to go ahead and first time I'm using this.

2:35:13

I need to point it somewhere specifically.

2:35:16

Usually just takes half a second, but hold on, Liz is gonna come down for some tech support.

2:35:24

Johnny I need this that's that's our fault.

2:35:36

We feel great.

2:35:39

Okay, there we go.

2:35:45

All right.

2:35:46

Um for hit uh for the historic sandy area.

2:35:51

We used the neighborhood boundaries of Pioneer Avenue to 9,000 South and Monroe Street to 700 East.

2:35:59

Um use the statistics over the last uh from 2020 uh to current um in uh in this area we have had some violent crime uh uh some moves and bumps.

2:36:15

Uh wanted to share with you some of the things we've we've been doing with that, as well as uh how that is in relation to Sandy as a whole.

2:36:26

Um the three the three uh part one violent crimes that are listed here are aggravated assault, homicide, and and robbery.

2:36:35

Um as you can see these numbers are not um I would say high.

2:36:43

Uh unfortunately, these are major major impact crimes, though, on individuals.

2:36:50

Um in the historic area, uh we've had one homicide in the last year, and unfortunately, that was about a a month ago uh at Main Street Park, um, which has affected the neighborhood in terms of how they feel about their safety and their perceptions.

2:37:12

Um this is uh the property crime um in the sandy in the that same area over that same time frame.

2:37:25

Um and this is covering the crimes that are listed here arson, burglary, theft, and vehicle theft.

2:37:33

Um these are uh the statistics as you can see the theft has dropped significantly over the last five years.

2:37:43

Um and the other the other items are our are minimal in terms of in terms of their their um sorry.

2:37:57

I'm overcoming a cold, I apologize.

2:38:00

Um, in terms of uh their movement along uh problems there.

2:38:06

Um I wanted to give you an idea.

2:38:11

Can I uh we interrupt and ask a question about it?

2:38:13

You guys can ask whatever you would like.

2:38:14

Was it the last slide?

2:38:15

Go ahead, Councilmember House then yes, thank you, madam chair.

2:38:18

Yes, thank you.

2:38:19

I I wasn't sure if you wanted just to wait till the end or when we have a question about a specific data piece of the.

2:38:24

This is a presentation for you guys, you guys can ask any question fire away.

2:38:28

Okay, um, just a curiosity question.

2:38:32

Um, so because this data set begins in 2020, and we know COVID and and we know porch piracy seemed to really spike because everyone was ordering things delivered, etc.

2:38:45

Is that part of why you know um theft is so high?

2:38:50

And and we saw the drop as things return to normal, or was it this high before 2020?

2:38:56

It was actually high before that as well.

2:38:58

This is a drop that uh has occurred, and I can go back and get more information for you if you're it's okay.

2:39:03

That mostly that was my question is what did it look like right before this?

2:39:08

So then it's a huge celebration, I would say, to see that kind of a drop.

2:39:13

What would you say we have done by we the global we, I mean you have done you know, to see that kind of a drop drop in theft.

2:39:22

Well, global we includes more than even us.

2:39:25

It is the it is the community and and their involvement um with theft and particularly these property crimes.

2:39:35

Um one of the things that we try to do in getting um the citizens involved and being aware of what are things going on.

2:39:44

Some of the things that we have done as a department is been more involved with social media and in getting people aware, getting ideas out there.

2:39:53

Amy Bryant as our crime prevention specialist does an excellent job working with neighborhood watch groups and sharing information.

2:40:03

So as we start having problems or needing to share information to the public, that information is getting out there to them to try to help them out.

2:40:28

Theft oftentimes is a case of just being aware of hey, making sure you're picking up property that's that may be in your yard that someone is going to misappropriate.

2:40:43

Or the like I've heard I've heard multiple neighborhood watch, you know, groups are meetings.

2:40:49

Check on each other's garage doors for the homes that have garage door if they accidentally get left up, close that kind of thing.

2:40:56

Absolutely.

2:40:57

Those are the things that help help your neighbors and help the community take advantage of being safer so they aren't taking advantage of themselves.

2:41:08

Okay.

2:41:09

Very helpful.

2:41:10

Thank you.

2:41:10

I just there was that little curious.

2:41:12

I just wanted to know just prior to this window, what did it look like?

2:41:16

So that's you don't need to don't do it, don't worry about digging up additional.

2:41:20

I'm good.

2:41:20

Thank you.

2:41:21

So the overall trends for our crime has actually been going down for like the last 10 to 15 years, so that's good.

2:41:29

But if I could speak to part of the especially when it deals with property crimes, why do we see this reduction?

2:41:35

So it just has to do with the simple fact that sometimes criminals get ahead of the curve and the curve catches up.

2:41:42

So if you talk about Porsche piracy and specifics, that was a hot thing where now people didn't have ring doorbell cameras, we didn't have the participation of the vendors and all of that stuff.

2:41:55

And because of how much traction it gained and publicity and everything, all of a sudden technology starts catching up with it, as do Amazon and those people.

2:42:04

And so that's why you probably see some of that as too is we're catching up.

2:42:08

Sometimes we're a little bit behind the curve, especially with technology, uh, and we're catching up.

2:42:13

That's a great that's a great addition.

2:42:17

Um I love hearing that.

2:42:19

Thank you.

2:42:19

That's all we have.

2:42:23

Okay, I wanted to give you just a comparison of these same these same crimes uh that we were talking about.

2:42:33

Uh the blue bar there is the historic area, and the orange bar is the sandry sandy quadrant as a whole.

2:42:44

And so as a police department, we have the city broken up into four quadrants.

2:42:48

Um so the sandy quadrant is uh 13th east and west of 13th is third is west of 13th east.

2:42:57

I apologize, and um in the goalie north.

2:43:02

Okay, and so this is uh where uh these crimes in relation, this is average number of crimes over that five years in comparison historic to this the sandy quadrant as a as a whole.

2:43:18

Um and this is this is the information same as uh it's the historic section versus Sandy as a whole.

2:43:32

Um for violent crimes.

2:43:38

Uh if you any questions in regards to this.

2:43:47

Okay.

2:43:48

Um of the things that has really been uh helpful in in uh dealing with some of the issues that came up, particularly in the early 2020s uh in this area.

2:44:01

Um wanted to highlight uh Detective Warwood.

2:44:06

Um he uh is on our is on the Metro gang task force.

2:44:12

Um this case or news article.

2:44:16

If you can click on this link really quick.

2:44:21

This news article came out in at the end of November.

2:44:26

Uh this is a case from 2023.

2:44:29

This was a gang member in Sandy that was uh causing some of some of our issues in Historic Sandy, particularly there was a group known as Florencia 13 that was prevalent in Historic Sandy.

2:44:45

Um in 2023, a search warrant was served on this house where there was um 23,000 in cash, two firearms, as well as drugs located in the house, cocaine.

2:45:00

And this individual is just on the 25th, November 25th, I believe this is when this article was written.

2:45:07

He was just sentenced to 20 years in pr in federal prison because of his actions.

2:45:14

Detective Warwood was recognized last year as the gang detective of the year for the Salt Lake Valley.

2:45:35

He did a fantastic job.

2:46:10

He did a fantastic job as well as our investigations unit in dealing with that.

2:46:18

And can we go back to the presentation?

2:46:36

There we go.

2:46:38

One of the things moving forward as we're as we're in this area in the historic area, one of the things that we still want to do is increase communication with the residents.

2:47:54

Have added a camera to Main Street Park.

2:47:58

This is a camera that we will have access at the RTC so that we can continue to watch for incidents that are happening at our parks.

2:48:43

The department complexes to try to make sure that as we as we have issues, we can help resolve those.

2:48:51

So any other questions.

2:49:33

Okay.

2:49:34

Yeah, and I I mean there's pros and cons for everything.

2:49:36

I just, you know, wanted to ask the question to make sure that we're being responsible about our video surveillance in areas where we haven't before.

2:49:45

Yeah, so just to touch on that just a little bit more.

2:49:48

It's not just Main Street Park.

2:49:49

We've added cameras to Dewey Blue as well as Scott Cadell Park.

2:49:53

Uh that provides us the opportunities.

2:50:00

The mayor highlighted one of Chief Severs' main things that he was able to bring to our city was the RTCC.

2:50:05

With that, we're increasing our technology capabilities in that, specifically with a program which allows AI search capabilities.

2:50:12

They can do historic searches from those camera base, those camera databases, as well as real-time monitoring and live monitoring feeds.

2:50:20

So it's a real multiplier for us, Porsche multiplier.

2:50:23

We have three full-time staff in our real-time crime center now.

2:50:27

So those cameras, whether we make it known or they realize or not, they're providing excellent coverage for us just by the mere fact that we have people monitoring staffing those.

2:50:37

Our sergeants have access to those camera feeds as well.

2:50:41

And so those cameras we're hoping to build that out, which obviously we're going to be coming to you for budgetary things for technology pieces because none of these programs come at a discounted cost, but they can provide tremendous.

2:50:57

We use those camera systems that we have in our most recent homicide to uh perfection almost and being able to track the movements of our individuals.

2:51:08

And so those cameras as technology increases.

2:51:12

We would like to build out our infrastructure that is going to require a fiscal cost, and we want to continue to move that direction.

2:51:19

And this is where technology is taking us with crime prevention and investigation.

2:51:24

And so we're going to need that going forward.

2:51:26

So it's a big piece, and I think most people are pretty reticent now that cameras are pretty much everywhere and everywhere.

2:51:36

I mean, if we look across the pond to London, that city is completely outfitted with cameras everywhere, and I think they recognize and understand.

2:51:45

I think in our country we're slowly getting to that point where everybody kind of recognizes the cameras as well.

2:51:51

So it's not a bad idea, but I don't know if it would necessarily swing a pendulum one way or the other on in the presence.

2:51:58

So yeah.

2:51:59

And and I just want to clarify, you know, I completely recognize the benefit that cameras would provide for your ability to do your jobs in the RTTC.

2:52:07

And did I say that right?

2:52:09

Okay.

2:52:10

I just I'm just thinking about the disclosure aspect of you know, like is it is it should we is it responsible to I I like as you as you stated, this is kind of a uh maybe newer for us to begin some of these practices, and with that I think that um it would be appropriate to at least have the conversation uh and whether we do or not is you know I don't know.

2:52:31

I'm just uh and I'm not necessarily suggesting that we we don't we don't use that sort of surveillance if needed.

2:52:38

I'm just kind of more talking about the disclosure aspect of it.

2:52:42

So um all right.

2:52:44

Well, that was my only question right now on that.

2:52:46

So is that the end of the presentation right now?

2:52:49

Yes, it is.

2:52:50

Okay.

2:52:51

Are there other questions from the council?

2:52:55

All right.

2:52:56

Oh, go ahead, Councilmember Stroud.

2:52:58

Just gotta say, I was just noticing, looks kind of nice.

2:53:02

Congratulations, a four-star there.

2:53:05

Had to notice that.

2:53:06

Thank you.

2:53:07

Well done.

2:53:08

Well, thank you for a um successful first presentation.

2:53:12

And we will we will look forward to seeing you more.

2:53:17

I'll take that.

2:53:18

Thank you.

2:53:18

Thank you.

2:53:19

Um, that concludes agenda item number six.

2:53:21

Really quick.

2:53:22

Does anybody does the council feel like we need to take a quick break?

2:53:26

No, are we okay to continue?

2:53:28

Okay.

2:53:28

All right.

2:53:29

I just wanted to ask, and we have item number seven.

2:53:33

This is um a public hearing.

2:53:35

Uh there's no action to be taken tonight on this public hearing, um, but we are required to hold the public hearing on this.

2:53:42

So I'm gonna turn the time over to Dan Nelson, our real property manager, to present uh the sale of certain real property, which would be the old sandy fire station, Hale Center Theater and Plaza 500 West Industrial Corner, and Monroe Street Lot Three.

2:53:57

So go ahead, Dan.

2:53:59

Great, thank you.

2:54:00

Um, yes, we have five items.

2:54:02

Four of these are uh properties that have been deemed surplus, and no vote is required by the city council, but we do have to put this up for public notice and public comment.

2:54:13

Um I thought we'd take these a little bit out of order.

2:54:16

I was gonna save the theater for last.

2:54:18

Um yeah, the old Sandy City Fire Station, 1.6 acres, they're selling it to a um another industrial type user.

2:54:28

Um that's the first one.

2:54:30

Uh the second one is a corner.

2:54:33

They bought a house on the corner of 500 west and 9400 south uh to expand the street and the intersection.

2:54:42

They've now done that, and we are selling the vacant land, the remaining parcel.

2:54:47

And then this last one is part of the Monroe development uh west of the stadium.

2:54:52

Uh, they're selling this triangle piece to the RDA who will then sell it to a developer for proposed uh let's see, affordable housing.

2:55:01

So those are the first three.

2:55:02

I'm happy to answer any questions from the council.

2:55:06

Um it's also open for public comment.

2:55:08

I've not received any public comments since we initially posted this, uh, but this would also be the forum if people want to give any comments here.

2:55:16

Okay.

2:55:17

Um we're gonna go with council questions, and then we'll hear the plaza um and hail, and then after that, um, we'll go ahead and hold the public hearing and open it up for questions.

2:55:27

And we'll go ahead and start with council member Robinson.

2:55:29

Thank you, Madam Chair.

2:55:31

Uh Dan, do you mind scrolling back up to the uh that one right there?

2:55:38

Yeah, Ryan, was this sorry to put you on the spot?

2:55:42

Is this um if I remember correctly?

2:55:47

Didn't some action that the city take, is that on the west east side of that intersection right there?

2:55:53

And is this part of I think we had an imminent domain conversation about that area?

2:55:58

Is that the same area?

2:55:59

Yeah, we did.

2:56:00

We ended up being able to uh handle that issue without imminent domain.

2:56:04

That was the parcel to the east.

2:56:06

This is the remnant lot of the home that the city correction, the RDA owned that the project bought from the RDA to demo.

2:56:14

Okay, and we had 1.8 acres left behind.

2:56:16

I appreciate that.

2:56:17

What caught my attention was I remember that conversation taking place?

2:56:22

Uh and the east side of the intersection, sorry, west side of the intersection was a little confusing to me.

2:56:29

I didn't realize that was in the mix, or I didn't remember that that was part of the mix.

2:56:33

So I appreciate that refresher.

2:56:35

We actually purchased land from three of the four corners.

2:56:37

The only one we didn't purchase land from was the southeast.

2:56:41

Okay.

2:56:42

Cool.

2:56:43

Thanks.

2:56:44

I just wanted to make sure I had it right in my mind.

2:56:46

Councilmember Sharkey.

2:56:50

Thank you, Dan.

2:56:51

Um, I just want to be clear on the status of all of these.

2:56:57

So and why we're seeing this now.

2:57:00

So are they sold?

2:57:04

Are they about to be sold?

2:57:06

Have we received an offer?

2:57:09

Are we in escrow?

2:57:10

What is the what is the status?

2:57:13

Yeah, there's kind of a mix.

2:57:14

Uh the fire station is in escrow right now.

2:57:17

That's supposed to close the first part of the year.

2:57:20

Um the uh industrial lot, and my pages got shuffled, so if these are out of order, I apologize.

2:57:27

Uh, the industrial corner, um, yeah, that is not under contract yet.

2:57:31

We do have uh two right rights of first offer on that that we're working through.

2:57:38

Um, and then the RDA property, my understanding is that is not under contract.

2:57:43

It is not.

2:57:44

Uh yeah, honestly, Casey has been the one.

2:57:47

Oh, Casey, did I miss me?

2:57:53

No, Dan's correct, it's not under contract yet.

2:57:55

Um, that's one of the items that I'm bringing to uh you as an RDA board and city council in January.

2:58:01

We've had discussions with a developer on looking to purchase that and develop an affordable housing um project.

2:58:08

So, no, it's not on a contract.

2:58:10

Uh if if the US of City Council um decides to purchase the property as the RDA board, and then you'll, as an RDA board look to enter it into a purchase sell agreement with a developer, but all that's something that I'll bring back and present to you next month.

2:58:25

So, just a question for you, Casey, and maybe for you too, Dan.

2:58:29

So this has the triangle property has frontage on the new Monroe Street.

2:58:39

I I must say I have to question whether this is the best use of the land.

2:58:45

Um it seems to me like it might be a more a better commercial application or perhaps a mixed-use application rather than housing.

2:58:55

I know there's a lot of housing that surrounds it because this abuts the um Gardner Boyer development, right?

2:59:03

Um, but I don't and it sounds like we will have that discussion at a later time.

2:59:09

So I guess my question would be is there any harm before we have that discussion?

2:59:15

Is there any harm in transferring this property from ownership by the city to ownership by the RDA?

2:59:21

Um, and then we have a later conversation about the best use of that land.

2:59:26

Do I'm just I'd like your opinion on that.

2:59:29

Do which which takes place first?

2:59:31

A decision on how the land's gonna be used or a decision on who owns it and does it matter?

2:59:37

I don't think it matters.

2:59:38

Um, you know, that's uh the I mean it could go either way.

2:59:43

I think you know, I mean, if the if the city wants the money sooner, instead of putting it up, you know, that's a way the RDA purchasing it because the RDA has the funds available to be able to purchase that property, and then you could consider what you want to done on the property because the RDA can can enter into uh you know purchase cell agreements just like the city can.

3:00:01

So that's really up to you.

3:00:02

It just it just depends on what the city administration and the council want to see there.

3:00:06

Okay, that's a good answer.

3:00:08

Right, thank you.

3:00:11

Thank you, Councilmember Sharky.

3:00:13

Are there other questions regarding these uh items?

3:00:17

Um I'm some one of my questions was kind of along the lines of the question that council member Sharkey asked about this the state of these um how can we get more specific information about um about some of this?

3:00:33

Like I'm I'm assuming that some of these are in contract, and so maybe there's some information that's sensitive that um maybe isn't ready for prime time.

3:00:41

Is that something that we could maybe have like a closed session on?

3:00:45

I don't know when these are set to close, but I am looking for more information on um you know when these are set to close, uh the the revenue that's expected from each of them and and things like that.

3:00:58

So who's the best person to answer this?

3:01:00

You were looking at me, so I respond.

3:01:02

But well, because I was I was wondering open meeting, close meeting.

3:01:05

The in terms of of the step uh the ordinance requirements, uh we are our own ordinance requires us to hold a public hearing before we sell any property.

3:01:14

That can be anywhere in the process, right?

3:01:16

We think we might want to sell this property, or we've got a contract and we're gonna close next week.

3:01:21

Um anywhere within that process, we have to hold a public hearing as per our own ordinance.

3:01:26

Now, what information can be shared with you in that process depends on where the the transaction is.

3:01:32

On the fire station property, we've got it's under contract.

3:01:35

Can I you said what information can be shared?

3:01:37

Is it what information be can be shared or how the information can be shared?

3:01:41

Yeah, yes, it can be shared.

3:01:44

The question is whether it's in a public setting or a private setting, the state statute allows us to go into a closed session if the if the disclosure of that information might impair the city's ability to obtain the property or sell a property at the most favorable terms.

3:01:57

So for a property like the fire station where it's already under contract, you know, we haven't closed, but we have a contract.

3:02:04

Um for instance, this property, this uh corner property here, nothing's been done yet.

3:02:09

Um the same on the triangle property.

3:02:12

So depending on where it is, different information can be shared in an open setting.

3:02:16

But we're of course happy to share any information you want depending on the property, and we'll just decide whether that's best in open session or in closed session.

3:02:24

Okay, well, and maybe we can make a request um maybe informally um for that information and we can devise a plan on how to get that to us quickly.

3:02:33

And I you know I'm gonna if I can if I can just interrupt, I'm chair.

3:02:36

Now, two of these properties are already under contract and they will close soon.

3:02:41

The theater property is scheduled to close next Wednesday, so a week from tomorrow, and the fire station property as Dan mentioned, is set to close in January.

3:02:49

Okay, so those two uh you we won't have time for closed session unless you want to do it next week.

3:02:57

The um and then there probably isn't a need for it.

3:03:00

Uh on the other properties, uh, those are farther out, and we have all that to it on the timing.

3:03:04

Okay, thank you.

3:03:05

That's helpful.

3:03:06

Um I don't think I have anything else at this moment.

3:03:10

So if you're okay, then we'll go ahead.

3:03:12

You can go ahead and take a seat for a second and we'll open the um public comment portion of the public hearing.

3:03:18

Madam Chair, did we uh I Dan, were you gonna go through the hail property?

3:03:22

Do we want to do that first?

3:03:23

Let's go ahead and do that.

3:03:24

I apologize.

3:03:25

The public hearing is really about all four properties.

3:03:27

I wanted to do that.

3:03:28

I had just missed that one.

3:03:30

Um yeah, I saved this one for last.

3:03:33

I think um a lot's gonna be said about this, but I think it's been a very effective uh public-private partnership.

3:03:39

So sorry, Dan.

3:03:40

Could you pull one of the mics up a little bit?

3:03:41

People in the back are having a hard time hearing.

3:03:43

All right, is that better?

3:03:45

Yep.

3:03:45

Okay.

3:03:46

Um, yeah, so I think this has been a very effective partnership.

3:03:50

Um the theater uh is going to pay off the city's obligations under the bonds, or I should say provide funds for the city to pay off its bonds there and accelerate their option to purchase uh the theater, or including as part of that sale the plaza property, which is adjacent to it.

3:04:07

Um, you know, and they'll be taking over the maintenance of that.

3:04:10

Um so yeah, that's the official notice for the sale as part of that, which is the fifth item.

3:04:17

Um this was developed under the CCNRs with the adjacent Mountain America building, the plaza was dedicated for public use as as a public park or plaza, and in order to sell that to Hale Center Theater, we need to vacate or remove that dedication.

3:04:37

So that is something that you will be voting on next week, but we wanted to present it this week.

3:04:42

Um so yeah, happy to answer any questions you may have.

3:04:48

Okay, I just wanted to clarify, and I'm I'm reading, I'm looking at the resolution for this, that it talks about um the public dedication of the plaza uh and that the plaza property would no longer be available for public use, with the exception of access to and from the parking facilities.

3:05:05

Um is there anything else detail-wise that should be called out?

3:05:09

Go ahead, Mr.

3:05:10

Pace.

3:05:11

Yeah, this this is these are two different processes that are overlapping on this project.

3:05:16

One is our ordinance requires us to hold a public hearing before we sell any property.

3:05:20

Okay, or sell or transfer property.

3:05:22

In addition to that, because we are proposing to sell the plaza space in the when this document was originally structured, that plaza space was dedicated to public use, meaning it's like a public park, public sidewalk, public street.

3:05:37

Um, the only way that can be removed from public use is through an act of the legislative body.

3:05:43

So that will require a vote next week, next Tuesday, so we can sell it on Wednesday, which is when we're scheduled to close.

3:05:50

But the and the reason that's important, it will look and function just the same as it does today.

3:05:55

But the parties have talked about this.

3:05:57

It is important for that to be privatized so that the theater can control public protests, homelessness camping, etc.

3:06:07

etc.

3:06:07

Things that would ordinarily be allowed, or at least couldn't be restrained on public property that can be restrained on private property.

3:06:15

That's why it's important to remove the public use by vote of the legislative body, and then the property can be privatized and sold.

3:06:23

Okay, that's that's helpful for um context.

3:06:26

So the city was was maintaining that property previous, and once this is done, then the maintenance of that property then becomes um that appeals, correct?

3:06:37

Correct, correct.

3:06:38

Okay.

3:06:39

Okay.

3:06:40

Councilmember Sharkey, did you have a question?

3:06:42

Dan, I want to thank you for sending me the CCNRs.

3:06:45

I found what I was looking for in there, and let me make sure I interpreted it correctly.

3:06:50

That this sale does not change the conditions, the terms and conditions under which we have a shared parking arrangement in the parking garage there.

3:07:01

Correct.

3:07:02

Okay.

3:07:03

Yeah.

3:07:03

Okay, thank you.

3:07:06

Okay.

3:07:07

Um, are there any other questions before we go to the public comment portion of the hearing?

3:07:12

Okay.

3:07:13

All right.

3:07:14

Thank you, Dan.

3:07:14

Great, thanks.

3:07:16

Uh, if anybody in room would like to make a comment on this uh agenda item, please fill out a blue card.

3:07:23

You know what?

3:07:24

Just come up and speak and then just fill out a blue card and give it to them afterwards.

3:07:27

So we'll go ahead and start with Bert Christensen, followed by Steve Van Marin.

3:07:32

I never get to do it from this side.

3:07:34

I just want to say how I love how Helsinki Theater is.

3:07:39

This is the exact example of a public private partnership that we want.

3:07:44

That they are coming in early, they're paying it off, and it's just truly amazing, and I wish they all worked this well, right?

3:07:50

But I'm just a hundred percent in support of this, and I'm really excited that we have this opportunity in our city.

3:07:58

Thank you.

3:07:59

Mr.

3:08:00

Van Maren, did you want to speak on this too?

3:08:04

I love the teamwork.

3:08:11

Oh, Steve Van Marin, resident of Draper.

3:08:16

Sorry.

3:08:18

Um I'm still concerned, Madam Chair, that the city put two million dollars into building the plaza.

3:08:25

I believe it was close to two million.

3:08:26

It went over budget, so could be two and a half, and we don't know what it's gonna sell for.

3:08:34

I've been told by the administration this is a needed activity, so that we don't get hung up in the maintenance over the next 30 years.

3:08:43

Well, that's true, but we still need to know what it's gonna sell for.

3:08:46

So I think you need to have that closed session next week, even though the contracts are done.

3:08:52

Unless they're announced publicly before public comment.

3:08:55

Thank you, madam chair.

3:08:57

And counsel.

3:08:59

Thank you, Mr.

3:08:59

Van Marin.

3:09:02

I don't see any better cards.

3:09:04

So if you, Mr.

3:09:06

Fratto, when you get just a second, if you could address the online audience, that would be great.

3:09:11

Of course, madam chair.

3:09:12

Uh, if you're joining us uh virtually this evening and you'd like to comment on tonight's public hearing, which is item number seven, uh, go ahead and click the raise hand button on your screen now.

3:09:22

I'll call your name in the order in which you raise your hand, and you'll have three minutes I'm not seeing any raised hands, madam chair.

3:09:47

Thank you, Mr.

3:09:47

Fratto.

3:09:48

Then we will go ahead and close the public comment portion of that public hearing.

3:09:53

And I think that that kind of closes out that item at this point, right?

3:09:57

Because we don't have any action to take this evening.

3:09:59

Okay.

3:10:01

Hold on, I'm in a I'm swimming in papers.

3:10:07

Okay, that takes us to the consent items eight, nine, and ten.

3:10:12

Um there are three items on the consent this evening.

3:10:14

They are the reappointment of members to various special committees, the adoption of a resolu resolution setting the 2026 annual meeting schedule and approval of the November 11 draft meeting minutes.

3:10:24

But before we take action, um I would like to remove the resolution setting the 2026 annual meeting schedule, leaving the other two items on consent.

3:10:33

And so I am wondering if there is a motion to approve the consent calendar as amended.

3:10:40

So moved.

3:10:41

Second.

3:10:42

Thank you.

3:10:43

Uh all in favor say aye.

3:10:45

Aye.

3:10:46

Any opposed?

3:10:48

All right.

3:10:48

That motion passes.

3:10:49

So thank you for allowing me to pull that off.

3:10:52

I really quickly want to ask for an amendment to that schedule.

3:10:57

Um in September, we have a meeting canceled because of the fifth Tuesday.

3:11:02

Um the meeting that is proposed for cancellation is literally the fifth Tuesday on the 29th.

3:11:07

And I'm wondering if we can amend that to be um September 8th instead, as that's the Tuesday after Labor Day and like the last um kind of vacation holiday.

3:11:19

And so that is my proposal.

3:11:21

So we are going to cancel the September 8th meeting in lieu of the 29th.

3:11:27

Does anybody have any comments on that?

3:11:30

Do I have potential support?

3:11:32

You would say no.

3:11:34

I know you're not.

3:11:38

Okay.

3:11:38

Um go ahead, Councilmember Houseman.

3:11:40

Um just clarifying question.

3:11:42

Is there is there a reason why your preference is September 8th versus um September 1st?

3:11:49

You're saying Labor Day?

3:11:50

Labor Day is the 7th.

3:11:52

Is the 7th?

3:11:52

Yes.

3:11:53

Okay.

3:11:53

In 2026, Labor Day is September, Monday, September 7th.

3:11:56

That makes sense then.

3:11:57

Okay.

3:11:57

I no more questions.

3:12:00

I support that.

3:12:01

Okay.

3:12:02

Um then I will go ahead and move that um I thought I had it written, but I don't that we help me.

3:12:14

Motion go ahead and motion to adopt resolution 25-53C setting 2026 City Council annual meeting schedule, uh, changing the cancellation of September 29th to September 8th.

3:12:30

Okay.

3:12:31

Okay, thank you.

3:12:32

Councilmember Houseman, you have to see it now.

3:12:37

Okay.

3:12:38

Then I am going to move to um approve resolution 25-53C with the amendment um counseling the September 8th meeting and reinstating the 29th meeting.

3:12:53

Do I have a second?

3:12:54

Second.

3:12:55

Okay, we have um a motion and a second.

3:12:58

This can be a voice vote.

3:12:59

I was informed.

3:13:00

So all in favor say aye.

3:13:02

Aye.

3:13:02

Aye.

3:13:03

Any opposed.

3:13:05

All right.

3:13:06

Okay.

3:13:07

Well, the consent calendar has been approved.

3:13:11

And now we are to our standing reports.

3:13:14

So I'll go ahead and turn it over to you, Mr.

3:13:16

Fratto, for your report.

3:13:19

Thank you, madam chair.

3:13:20

Um, I'll be quick this evening.

3:13:22

Uh, just a couple of things to go over.

3:13:24

Uh next week, just a reminder that we as of now we've got our fifth housing workshop scheduled.

3:13:30

We have a few other items on the agenda.

3:13:32

I think most of them will just be uh consent items, and then we'll conclude with an opportunity for uh council members uh Meekham and Robinson to give us some some outgoing remarks and Zach shaking his head no, but we're gonna put them on the spot, I think, anyways.

3:13:48

Uh and then after that we're canceled uh for the remainder of the calendar year until uh January.

3:13:57

Um the only other thing I wanted to mention, I just wanted to give everyone an update.

3:14:01

You might remember uh last time we met two weeks ago we had uh our zoom meeting crashed kind of at the end of the meeting.

3:14:08

I think it was right during the mayor's remarks, and um we when she was done, we went ahead and concluded the meeting because we were concerned with the report about the recording and such.

3:14:17

Luckily, we've made it pretty much to the end.

3:14:20

Um I was in contact with you know our IT and Zoom and we talked with them to find out what the issue was, and I just wanted to update you on that and also pass along you know an alternative method if if something like that ever happens again that residents can log on uh and and view the meeting.

3:14:37

So it turns out there was some of you may have heard there was a there's a program, it's called Cloud Flare.

3:14:42

I guess there was a cloud flare outage that day.

3:14:44

It was pretty pretty major, it was in the news.

3:14:47

After looking at our issue, Zoom determined that it was a result of that.

3:14:52

Um was associated with that.

3:14:54

They they told me basically they were surprised our meeting stayed recording as long as it did.

3:15:00

So I'm glad that it did as well.

3:15:02

Uh we did capture the whole audio recording.

3:15:04

So the video did peter out uh there at the end when we had the crash, but luckily we have a backup recording system in the room through Granicus, and so the video stopped, but the audio recorded, and so we did have a full recording of that meeting, including the mayor's remarks and our motion to enter closed session and everything along those lines.

3:15:26

Uh if I we've never had a Zoom meeting crash like that before, and it I be would be surprised if we do again.

3:15:33

But just for those attending, if that ever does happen, you can visit our agenda management website as well.

3:15:41

And you can look at the meeting, and there will be a little link that says meeting in progress, and you can always join that to listen to live audio through Granicus.

3:15:51

It's a couple minutes behind.

3:15:52

That's why we usually use Zoom.

3:15:55

But it's a good method to at least log on and watch the meeting.

3:15:58

We're thinking about ways that we might be able to put that on the agenda in a fashion that won't confuse people, right?

3:16:04

We don't want people watching that particular part of the recording because they can't participate in the meeting, right?

3:16:10

They can't call and comment.

3:16:12

So our preferences for people to use Zoom.

3:16:15

Um, but we're we're brainstorming ways that we can maybe put that on the agenda in case something like that happens in the future, so some everyone knows what the alternative is.

3:16:26

Um but I just wanted to make sure you had an update on that.

3:16:29

Um I I believe that's it.

3:16:33

I don't think I have anything else uh that I needed to report on this evening.

3:16:37

Thank you, madam chair.

3:16:38

Thank you, Mr.

3:16:39

Fraddo.

3:16:39

Councilmember Robinson.

3:16:41

Thank you, Madam Chair.

3:16:42

Just a couple quick notes of appreciation.

3:16:44

Uh last week, you know, we were all able to gather together and um uh enjoy a holiday dinner with administration and council.

3:16:52

I thought that was a really nice night, but a couple nights after that, the um uh lighting of the Cairns event was really cool.

3:17:00

Um it was packed.

3:17:01

Um there was actually a lot more people than I anticipated there would be there, so really cool event.

3:17:06

I know Katie probably had her hands on that, and you know, administration oh Mayor, you were there and quite active.

3:17:13

Um I think you and Santa Claus like cruised around together doing something, some sort of mischievous activities.

3:17:19

So it's just it was really cool.

3:17:23

Uh one thing that I really like, and I just want to pass this feedback on to whomever will hear it, is I really appreciate the school participation in that.

3:17:31

I think that's kind of cool.

3:17:32

I think that is very meaningful for the schools in our community.

3:17:35

Um I had happened to catch a uh a family, they were behind me and they were talking about the event itself and how cool it was that you know their kids were there singing the Christmas program songs that they learn in school in City Hall at a city event that had a bunch of people there.

3:17:53

I just so I just want to pass that on.

3:17:55

I hope that part continues moving forward.

3:17:57

It's just it was really cool to see.

3:17:59

And you know, those people probably had no clue that I was listening to them talk, but they were in the moment providing some really cool feedback that I thought I would be beneficial, but awesome event, and it wasn't nearly as crazy weather as it was a few years back.

3:18:12

I think when we were all there, I know Ms.

3:18:13

Sharky attended, and Mr.

3:18:15

Oud, you were there this year as well, and uh we were all talking about the snowstorm from a couple years back where it snowed like a foot on us while we were there.

3:18:22

So um it was a great event.

3:18:24

I look forward to coming back and participating that you know with my family, and uh, just I hope that does continue.

3:18:29

So I just wanted to throw in that appreciation.

3:18:32

Thank you.

3:18:32

That's all I have.

3:18:34

Thank you, Councilmember Meekham.

3:18:36

Thank you.

3:18:36

I just want to add to that, especially from last week, a special uh thank you to Chris for uh organizing everything.

3:18:42

Uh was a wonderful event.

3:18:43

Thank you.

3:18:45

Councilmember House.

3:18:47

Uh thank you, Madam Chair.

3:18:48

Uh I will echo the I I got there after you left, Zach, so couldn't couldn't join in the reminiscence about the previous weather.

3:18:57

But um the reason I got there later is I was able to go to the South Valley Chamber um event, which it was nice that they were both at the same night, but it was also hard because you know we had to divide our energies.

3:19:09

But um, so I appreciate the obviously everything that went into our celebration and also appreciate everything that went into the South Valley Chamber um event.

3:19:19

There was it was also packed, and I know um we were crossing paths, you know.

3:19:25

So the city was represented um on both sides of the road.

3:19:30

Um but I I appreciate South Valley Chamber and what they do to continue to commit connect small businesses to one another.

3:19:37

Um by the the volume of attendees and the chatter in the room, it was it was there was great conversation.

3:19:44

Um there were I had some meatballs that were unreal.

3:19:49

They were so good.

3:19:51

Um I know talking food anyway.

3:19:54

Distracting from really important business.

3:19:56

It was it was a great evening, and I just appreciate um all who made both events happen.

3:20:03

Thank you.

3:20:04

Gosh, since we met last, it's been I'm like trying to think.

3:20:08

How it has been since like before Thanksgiving, right?

3:20:11

And so I'm like, okay, going back in my mind to Thanksgiving, and um it's been a really busy couple of weeks, um, both life-wise and city-wise.

3:20:19

And I was I really enjoyed um the opportunity to serve the seniors uh Thanksgiving, a Thanksgiving lunch again.

3:20:27

Uh Mr.

3:20:28

Van Marin, we were super sad to not see you and Elizabeth this year.

3:20:31

Um, but I'm happy to see you right now.

3:20:34

Uh anyway, always a good time.

3:20:36

I I love chatting with those uh residents that attend the center and working alongside uh the police and fire departments in in that and council member Sharkey um joined me as well.

3:20:47

Uh I also attended a um council of governments meeting.

3:20:50

Uh homelessness again in the winter overflow was um discussed discussed.

3:20:55

I was able to attend um uh production of Frozen at Hale Center Theater.

3:21:01

That was really good.

3:21:02

I really enjoyed it.

3:21:03

Um I attended with another Sandy resident um who has a daughter with special needs, and she was just enthralled the entire time.

3:21:11

I was worried, not worried, but I I had given flexibility for them maybe needing to uh leave early.

3:21:17

But she was super excited the whole time.

3:21:19

So love that production, and then you know, our holiday dinner.

3:21:23

Uh it was it was a really nice opportunity to uh get together and you know, thank you again, Chris, for all of your work there and um celebrate each other and our successes this year, and um kind of be a little bit more casual in our interactions with um some of those outgoing members of our city and city council.

3:21:41

Uh and then this last Saturday I attended the uh Utah League of Cities and Towns newly elected officials training for re-election and uh kind of re-acquainting myself, re-upping my my knowledge, getting a new powers and duties book.

3:21:58

It's always updated and it's a huge endeavor.

3:22:00

Um I consider that uh well worth it.

3:22:02

Again, they go over you know, budgeting and conflict resolution.

3:22:05

Um those were kind of the two biggest topics uh this time outside of some of the other more specific um trainings, but it's hard when you've got a room full of a hundred and some odd, you know, newly elected, um, and then you've got a class on Zoom when all of the municipalities have different forms of government to be super encompassing, but um that was really good, and I was joined by some other uh re-elected officials.

3:22:35

So Mayor Burton was there, so I got to say hi to him and meets and there were some others and meet some of the new council members in Salt Lake and Murray and um Urta and hide out.

3:22:45

Yes, hideout.

3:22:46

Um and really enjoyed that.

3:22:51

I didn't I did not meet anybody from Eden there, no, but it is it is beautiful.

3:22:56

Um anyway, I I feel like trying this has been a really busy, usually it's a quiet slow time for the holidays, but it's everybody's trying to pack it in before it's quiet and slow.

3:23:07

Um Council Member Stroud.

3:23:10

Thank you, Madam Chair.

3:23:11

Um yeah, it has been a while, so I was trying to go back in my calendar and look and see what what I had missed.

3:23:16

Uh so uh CDBG met and they discussed um the scoring criteria and adjusting some of that for the applicants and that application period, so the pre-application is open, and then they'll start working on that here pretty quick, and hopefully it'll go a little more smoothly this year than it did last year, which was no fault of of Sandy's or or any of that.

3:23:40

But uh, you know, that that process is open.

3:23:42

So if there's anybody familiar um with that process that knows somebody that uh would like to apply for CDBG funding, um you know that's uh great use of of money, you know, going in that direction.

3:23:56

Um the uh Jordan River Commission, you know, one thing was interesting, so we had GSBS, uh Christine Richmond was presenting um uh you know on behalf of the county, and you know, it was just interesting that the county is is going to be really pushing for water wise landscapes, you know, including over at uh Mountain America.

3:24:14

So, you know, as as the as areas um they're changing over um from just typical turf into more of that water water wise landscaping, but you know that uh that will cost a fair amount.

3:24:28

Um but you know, looking forward to seeing what the local scapes uh what that does and and what they do.

3:24:33

Uh holiday dinner was as always amazing, you know, Ms.

3:24:38

Edwards, you do a fabulous job.

3:24:40

So, you know, as you've heard here on anything that you touch, just always seems to come together and be fabulous.

3:24:47

So, you know, I appreciate that.

3:24:49

Uh the employee luncheon, you know, as well, you know, looking so administration.

3:24:53

Um, you know, it's nice to get over and see you know, all the employees, you know, as many of them we can get over there to have uh that chance to kind of just sit down and chat and connect with you know other departments as well.

3:25:05

Um the uh and then even I guess the week before Thanksgiving, so you know they did the coffee with the cops over at Target's, you know, getting people kind of walking in.

3:25:16

It's great seeing uh some of the younger officers try to approach you know residents as they're walking in and they're like, Oh, hey, do I go left?

3:25:22

Do I go right?

3:25:23

Okay, you know, right here.

3:25:24

Um, you know, and uh letting them know, you know, once again, hey, you know, just here, kind of checking things out, and uh the real success this time I think was definitely having uh cash there.

3:25:34

You know, you get a big old floppy eared bloodhound, and you know, that's uh that's always fun.

3:25:39

Um the youth council.

3:25:41

So I had missed this last time.

3:25:43

Uh last month in November, they had spent about three hours doing raking leaves, preparing ball pickup for um a uh uh monastery, so a carmelite monastery up in holiday.

3:25:55

Uh but uh you know, a lot of those kids just out there on a Saturday working together, providing a service to a community.

3:26:02

Um they were also ads, you know, the light up of the cairns.

3:26:05

Uh that was uh really successful this year.

3:26:09

Um, you know, it seems to be each year, you know.

3:26:11

I like the addition of the vendors, you know, looking at it, it was very cold, but definitely not as snowy.

3:26:16

But uh the uh the youth council, so they were you know stamped as little elves walking around, you know, had all the light up, you know, doing the little scavenger hunt out there, um, you know, and then ran a craft booth.

3:26:27

So, you know, they're able to interact with with younger kids and you know to get them engaged.

3:26:32

Um you know, it's always fun to watch how they you know just older kids are working with the younger kids in the families, you know.

3:26:41

And that's you know, it just goes to to you, you know, Ms.

3:26:43

Edwards, Ms.

3:26:44

Terrio, you know, how well you work with with that youth council and those individuals and developing those life skills.

3:26:52

Um, it's been uh quite the pleasure of the past year watching you guys in engage with them and to help foster that leadership and the love of Sandy and our community.

3:27:04

Um, you know, so I've I really enjoyed that.

3:27:08

Um and I think that's it.

3:27:13

For my updates.

3:27:14

Thank you.

3:27:14

It's been a busy, busy couple weeks.

3:27:16

Um, Councilmember DeKaiser.

3:27:18

Thank you, Madam Chair.

3:27:20

Um, the Utah Foundation just released its mo most recent report on social capital.

3:27:26

Um things have been going really good at the Utah Foundation.

3:27:30

I've been nominated as trustee of the year or nominated, and that's pretty big because there's like 60 of us.

3:27:36

So I'll let you know how that goes.

3:27:37

But um social capital is just like the value that's derived in a community from our connections and relationships, perceptions of public safety, things like that.

3:27:47

Uh, and it's really cool that Utah is number one.

3:27:50

Um I was discussing that with Sean, and we quickly realized that there would be a lot of benefit to do some surveying with the city.

3:27:57

So I'll be talking to the administration about that and see if they'd be interested in collecting some of those data points.

3:28:03

Um similarly, Utah, I just saw today is ranked 10th as the most charitable state on GoFundMe.

3:28:10

So taken together, these are um really great indicators for the health and well-being of our residents and their uh positive for our economic outlook.

3:28:19

Uh speaking of GoFundMe, I just wanted everyone to be aware, you might have seen in the news about Yer Cellis, uh, the man who was detained at his final green card hearing uh by ICE.

3:28:31

This um issue is personal to me.

3:28:33

He uh his wife, um, he was taken away from his wife and his four-year-old daughter right before the holidays.

3:28:40

They are the back neighbors of my brother-in-law uh growing up.

3:28:44

So it's just really sad that some a member of our community uh doing all the right things is treated that way like a criminal.

3:28:52

So uh if people in the community know that family, uh make sure to check out the GoFundMe for Yarcelis and Lexi to uh see how you can support them.

3:29:03

Uh also in the news, you might have seen that Rocky Mountain Power proposed a four and a half percent rate increase.

3:29:09

Um this amounts to the cost that our residents would have faced to join Utah Renewable Communities.

3:29:15

So I once again look forward to working with council members elect Nickel and Christianson as I did in 2019 to talk about this next year, especially in regards to the rising costs of honors homeownership and utilities.

3:29:30

I would hope to have the council support as we know is a fact that renewable energy is less expensive over time than fossil fuels.

3:29:36

Finally, um there's this issue about campaign finance that we've heard from residents about.

3:29:43

Um we there's been numerous emails I've commented on it and spoken with many of you about, and it's really important to me.

3:29:50

Um I wasn't able to get it on the agenda, so right now I would like to make a motion to direct the executive director to put a campaign finance item on the agenda for next week.

3:30:04

So a motion's been made.

3:30:16

I I understand this is difficult to talk about, but again, my perspective is that it's it's important for this council to take it up, and I'd hope to have a second because I talked to um a lot of you about it.

3:30:29

So well, can I just clarify really quick?

3:30:32

I I want to make sure that it's understood too that your request, and I'm speaking as chair, right?

3:30:38

Because your request came to me, was not denied.

3:30:41

Um it was place on a the offer to place on an agenda beginning in January, because at the time that your request was made, there were only two council meetings left.

3:30:51

We've already kind of gone over this, and in the absence of having you pick a date, I wanted to ensure that there was a date, and so it is currently on the agenda for the 27th of January.

3:31:01

We could have talked about it tonight, that we would have had time to do it.

3:31:05

Like I said, that this issue came to this council, the residents addressed this council.

3:31:10

I think it would be important for some some of these members to weigh in on the issue.

3:31:15

Um and yeah, that's it.

3:31:17

That election didn't happen for the next council.

3:31:20

So I think by putting it at that uh later date kind of robs this council from weighing in on it.

3:31:25

And if if the members feel it's important, maybe we'll have a second and a vote on it.

3:31:29

Um if not, we'll take it up in January.

3:31:32

But like I said, I thought it would be important for this body to discuss.

3:31:36

And and I can appreciate that.

3:31:38

I just want to make sure it's clear as chair, you know, trying to manage the meetings and and effectuate the meetings that it um it didn't meet the criteria to interrupt what we had already had scheduled for months, and so I again not wanting to not have the conversation, it was just a matter of appropriate timing.

3:31:58

And so I'm going at the there were a lot of um valid reasons given from the perspective of managing the agenda and these meetings.

3:32:06

Um I I'm sorry that you don't agree with them.

3:32:09

Um, but at the at the moment we had a a motion and lack of a second.

3:32:15

Councilmember Meekham.

3:32:17

Yeah, thank you.

3:32:19

Give us an opportunity to talk about this because I too reach out to the chair and so that I would like to talk about this.

3:32:25

Um unfortunately, we're in a very difficult position now because there's only one council meeting left.

3:32:29

And so if we put it on the agenda uh for next week, then if there's any follow-up questions, it's really hard to deal with the issue itself because we would have to bring it up, discuss it, and vote on it all next week in order to do that.

3:32:46

Now, I'm not necessarily opposed to that, but I'm not sure that uh that that sentiment is generally shared.

3:32:52

I too wish that this had been something that we had addressed here with this council.

3:32:58

Um, but uh I expressed my wish to the chair to have this on the agenda tonight, and I was surprised it was not on the agenda tonight.

3:33:05

Um, but uh so that's I I think there's a complication that there's only one meeting left.

3:33:14

Council member Robinson.

3:33:16

If this is open mic time, uh I I don't even know what to say.

3:33:24

I don't even know how to react, honestly.

3:33:26

Um I I think I think what Mr.

3:33:30

Meekham just said probably captures my thoughts.

3:33:33

Um I don't discount the importance of the topic, and I have expressed that to you.

3:33:40

Uh I've expressed that to the chair as well.

3:33:42

The importance of the topic is there.

3:33:45

Um I don't know if I agree with the approach, honestly, at this point.

3:33:50

Um, and so what what Mr.

3:33:52

Meek just said, I think I was struggling to figure out what I wanted to say and how you described it is is critical.

3:34:00

Um our next election in Sandy is in 2027, and so I I realize that the the issue was posed to this body, but I don't think that uh takes it off the table.

3:34:12

Um knowing that it is on an agenda, I think that that's that's appropriate to have the conversation at that point if that can be moved up sometime in January.

3:34:22

That's up to you guys uh and whoever the next chair is.

3:34:26

But um I I don't know that next week would be an absolute challenge in my opinion.

3:34:34

Mainly because I I think more questions are gonna pop up and we're not gonna have the opportunity to address it timely.

3:34:41

That's what I think.

3:34:42

I think the way you described it is is spot on.

3:34:45

That's all I have.

3:34:47

Not opposed to the conversation.

3:34:49

Council Member Straub.

3:34:51

And I am 100% looking forward to that conversation.

3:34:54

Um, and when we first talked about this, um I I do have concerns say to have that informational.

3:35:02

I love the way that we have things set now, where we have one week to discuss something to come up with questions to reflection, any of that, and then the following week to be able to vote on that.

3:35:18

And I think was something that is this important when it comes to transparency, when it comes to evaluating the way that the public can access information.

3:36:09

But I am definitely looking forward to it to see what we can do to clarify if something needs to be clarified, then how we're going to do that.

3:36:19

So I'm looking forward to that that conversation.

3:36:31

Thank you.

3:36:32

Yeah, it looks like there's not gonna be a second.

3:36:35

I just, you know, like I said, wish that council members uh Robinson and Meek would have been able to vote on this, which they won't.

3:36:42

But I also want to make clear everyone's point is that we aren't gonna have time enough to do this, and there were four council members who asked the chair to put this on the agenda, and we could have talked about it and couldn't.

3:36:52

So I do respect the process, but it is frustrating from my perspective that the four of us were not able to get it on the agenda.

3:37:00

Um so yes, that that concludes my comments.

3:37:06

Thank you.

3:37:07

Thank you.

3:37:08

And before we move on, I just want to clarify I do feel like I'm in a little bit of a defensive position because I want to make sure that my position is accurately represented.

3:37:17

At the time that the request was made, there were literally only two meetings.

3:37:20

It's a two-step process.

3:37:22

There was zero flexibility in your request.

3:37:25

The campaign finance disclosures for this last election had not yet completed.

3:37:29

They were just due last week, and so you know, just from the perspective of trying to uh make sure that the information that we're going to be talking about regarding this last election is complete.

3:37:40

There was no flexibility for that.

3:37:42

You claim to also want the council members of this council involved.

3:37:46

I have informed you and others that I am not available at that meeting, and so I I just again like the sense of urgency seems more political than trying to come to a good conversation and good decisions.

3:37:59

And it literally, in my estimation, as chair managing this agenda did not rise to the occasion to have to shuffle some of the other things around.

3:38:07

I we would have had to have put off other meeting or other items in order to facilitate this because of the nature in which um I anticipate this conversation to go because of the divided nature in which you've gone about this.

3:38:22

So that is my position here, and we don't have a second or have your have you concluded your council member business.

3:38:28

Thank you.

3:38:29

Councilmember Sharkey.

3:38:32

Thank you, Madam Chair.

3:38:34

Um along with some of the things that have been mentioned about events that we've had over the last couple of weeks.

3:38:40

I do want to thank um Ryan for the leaf pickup.

3:38:44

I did hear from quite a few um residents that really appreciate that, and so I got a lot of um notices of appreciation this time around, too.

3:38:54

So we just know that everyone appreciates that that's a service that we give, and uh and hopefully we can continue to do that.

3:39:02

Um I was also able to attend a ribbon cutting for Wolf Dog Brewing, which is our first microbrewery in Sandy, it's in the Cairns district.

3:39:12

Um it's an interesting business, um interesting business plan.

3:39:18

Um they do brew in small batches, and they do allow they do invite memberships where members get to actually come with ideas for different flavors of beer that they will brew for them.

3:39:32

So it's kind of an interesting proposition from a guy who was born and raised in Sandy.

3:39:38

So hopefully people will have a chance to drop in there and enjoy Wolf Dog Brewing.

3:39:43

It's right up at the at the town ridge on State Street, so right nearby here.

3:39:48

Thank you, madam chair.

3:39:50

Thank you.

3:39:51

Now we have the mayor's report.

3:39:56

Good evening, madam chair.

3:40:00

I want to thank our interim chief who presented tonight and has taken on the new role.

3:40:06

Thank you, John Arnold, for your leadership.

3:40:10

He and Amy Bryant last week organized two really important events.

3:40:14

First was the neighborhood watch introduction meeting, an organizing meeting for historic Sandy.

3:40:21

We had about 30 attendees turnout, and I was really heartened by that large turnout from the community, and I hope that the council members will have a chance to attend any future organizing.

3:40:35

We will continue with those plans.

3:40:38

Also, the VIPs, the volunteers and police services, the organizers, um, or uh interim chief Arnold and Amy Bryant organized the VIPS dinner for our volunteers who support the police department.

3:40:54

They have given more than 2100 hours of volunteer service to the police department, saving our Sandy taxpayers nearly 72,000 in their work.

3:41:06

That's uh vacation watches, neighborhood patrols supporting the police departments and events, hosting information booths at the city events at the uh farmers market, Monday night food truck nights, the where the people are, you can always count on a VIPS, and then also recently most recently the Coffee with the Cops.

3:41:29

Uh special recognition was given to the volunteer of the year, Lizbeth Monterosso for her managing the schedules and the dispatch of the VIPS patrols.

3:41:41

Life Saving Award went to Don Black and Ron Walker.

3:41:44

Their quick thinking and intervention saved the life of someone who had collapsed at Dewey Bluth Park.

3:41:51

And the Distinguished Service Award went to Robert Black.

3:41:54

So thanks to our VIPs, and thanks to the continued and strong leadership in the Sandy Police Department, especially to interim chief Arnold.

3:42:04

The Light Up the Cairns event last Friday, Thursday night was a great event, kick off to as a kickoff to the holiday season.

3:42:11

I want to thank our sponsors, Rocky Mountain Power for their financial support of the event that allowed us to uh light the trees this year.

3:42:20

We've had some budget constraints for our events that have made it challenging, and they stepped up and gave us a healthy donation.

3:42:28

Also, one kind act a day sponsored a kindness tree, and people had the opportunity to write a kindness message or kindness thought to share, and that tree is at the south entrance of City Hall.

3:42:42

So please be sure to visit the tree and add your sentiment on kindness and thanks to One Kind Act Today for sponsoring that kindness tree.

3:42:52

Thanks so much to the Sandy Youth Council.

3:42:54

They did an outstanding job for the scavenger hunt and just creating a really spirited energy at the at the event itself to the schools, the choirs, Sunrise Elementary, Glacier Hills, the Jordan Madrigals, Hell Center Theater performers, all did exceptional musical performances.

3:43:16

Thank you to Sandy Fire Department for ushering in Santa and to the police explorers also.

3:43:26

Managed the photo booth with Santa and all of our vendors supported and organized by economic development, park staff set it up, facilities ran the electrical and the sound.

3:43:39

There's so many hands that go into that, as many people probably go into the setup as the as attend, and the attendance this year was really great.

3:43:48

Thank you to Hale Center Theater for hosting our employee luncheon last Friday.

3:43:53

That's an annual tradition where we honor all of our employees from our newest and freshest employees to our veteran employees.

3:44:02

Scott Arnold was recognized this year for his 45 years of service, yes, 45 years of service as a Sandy employee.

3:44:10

So if you don't think Sandy's a great place to work, uh just talk to Scott Arnold, Scott Arnold.

3:44:16

He's a the warehouse supervisor at public utilities.

3:44:20

And so you if you go, if you were to go into the public utilities warehouse, where's Tom?

3:44:28

Well, I I know when I did, I was so impressed at how clean, organized, orderly, everything has its place, and it's all managed by Scott with a lot of attention to detail.

3:44:38

So if you have a chance to please congratulate Scott for his longevity.

3:45:07

The Chamber of Commerce hosted a WFRC regional transportation update for local businesses here in the South Valley.

3:45:17

It was attended by a lot of people in development and manufacturing and road building.

3:45:23

So big businesses were really interested in talking about regional transportation plans, what's happening with front runner double stacking, what's happening with the pedestrian bridge over I-15 that's going to link South Jordan to the Sandy side, what's happening with station area plans, our general plan update.

3:45:42

So these are people who are really chomping at the bit to learn about how they can participate in our quality growth in Sandy.

3:45:50

So thank you so much to the South Valley Chamber for hosting that really important discussion.

3:46:05

Uh rush hour traffic is almost just right below you.

3:46:08

So it was a very fitting setting for that important transportation discussion.

3:46:12

Also the chamber hosted today, the women in business luncheon, it was the best attended luncheon of the chamber's history.

3:46:21

175 people attended the women in business luncheon today.

3:46:28

Let's see, I attended some interesting business events, including the 37th uh anniversary of Quilt, etc.

3:46:37

They are on Main Street in Historic Sandy, and they've been in business for 37 years selling quilts and sewing machines and giving sewing lessons.

3:46:48

And one of their inaugural students here is here in the audience today, Sandra Hawk, an avid quilter herself.

3:46:55

I didn't take the lesson 37 years ago.

3:46:57

But when you got into quilting, what over 20 years ago.

3:47:01

Yes.

3:47:02

Yes, and so they um have the quilter League of Hall of Fame on their wall, and Sandra Hawk is right up there.

3:47:10

And Sandy tells me that they're known for their really unique and high quality fabric selection, that they're just um top tier when it comes to discriminating seamstresses who want the best for their family heirloom products.

3:47:25

That's the place they go in Sandy.

3:47:28

Um also attended a visit with the salt mine, Dave Edmonds visited him and got a wonderful tour of the all the innovative businesses and micro businesses and job sharing and work sharing spaces that they create and all the collaboration that happens right here in Sandy on their at their location on 1300 East.

3:47:53

The new microbrewing brewery on State Street called Wolf Dog.

3:47:59

Um, they're brewing small batch craft beer.

3:48:02

Their partners were marines in Afghanistan, and this was a dream of theirs to create their own microbrewery, and so um it really does have that spirit of brotherhood and living the dream.

3:48:15

The family members were there for the grand opening, and we were able to meet all of their wonderful backers that brought this very impressive and scientific and entertaining space to Sandy.

3:48:29

So thanks and congratulations to Wolfdog Brewing for opening right here in Sandy, especially to their owners, Derek DeBoard and Eric Brooks.

3:48:40

Um Alta High School students performed the musical Hades Town, which was yeah, an incredible performance.

3:48:52

It's when you get into the story and you uh hear the story of this mythological space, uh, how humanity evolves from covering like basic needs to evolving to what our higher callings in life are, connection, love, understanding.

3:49:18

Uh, to um you have to remind yourself that these are high school students performing the caliber of the music, the staging, the costuming, the dance was was outstanding.

3:49:28

So I just want to congratulate the Alta High School performers, the cast crew and director for Hades Town.

3:49:34

Also attended the Blessed Sacrament Christmas Blessing Boutique.

3:49:38

Um, that's a long-standing Christmas tradition.

3:49:40

And I was honored to again this year serve as a um cashier at their legendary opportunity drawing section.

3:49:50

They had incredible baskets, gift baskets that are always available for um for their raffle drawing, and it's all local vendors and local businesses that are supported on my page.

3:50:05

I put up some really cute ornaments that were woodburned.

3:50:08

One was a map of Sandy, Utah, and then other ones some wooden ornaments, I Heart Sandy.

3:50:14

So the vendors, they do a circuit around local boutiques, so maybe look for those for stocking stuffers.

3:50:20

I'd highly recommend that.

3:50:24

Okay.

3:50:25

And oh, congratulations to our National Finals Rodeo Rodeo Queen from Utah.

3:50:33

Olivia Favaro from Ogden.

3:50:36

Amazing.

3:50:37

She rode in our uh Sandy Horse Parade, the Heritage Festival.

3:50:41

She came down, she's Miss Rodeo, Utah, and she had her truck and trailer, Ford truck and trailer all wrapped and glammed out.

3:50:51

Took the time to ride in our parade and then goes on to compete in Las Vegas this weekend and was crowned the national rodeo queen.

3:50:59

It's a very big deal, so much horsemanship, knowledge of agricultural operations and commitment to farming family horses, of course.

3:51:11

And you have to be an excellent rider and ride all kinds of horses at these competitions.

3:51:15

You don't just ride your own horse, you get assigned other horses.

3:51:18

So cool to have Olivia who came to our Sandy Festival, and then to see her honored in Las Vegas is a very, very big deal.

3:51:28

So congratulations to Utah Zone Rodeo Queen, Olivia Favaro.

3:51:34

And thank you, Council, for inviting me to the council dinner with my administration and staff.

3:51:42

It was very welcoming experience this year, and it was really nice to be with everyone.

3:51:46

So that's it.

3:51:48

Thank you very much.

3:51:49

That takes us to the CAO report, Mr.

3:51:52

Pace.

3:51:52

I have nothing tonight, thank you.

3:51:54

Okay.

3:51:54

Thank you.

3:51:55

We are now at we have a new report for the next little bit, which is the Recreation Center Construction Report.

3:52:01

And Jeddah will be giving that.

3:52:03

So welcome, Jeddah.

3:52:07

Super fast update.

3:52:09

We were able to get our final site plan approval from the city, so that's amazing.

3:52:14

Um thanks to the people who serve on the development review team for letting me pester them to get us over the finish line.

3:52:22

Right now, the forms are in the ground for the majority of the footings of the of the whole building.

3:52:28

There was a small delay in the installation of the rebar for the footings, and latent construction was able to adjust their approach just a little bit.

3:52:36

So rather than do several small pours of concrete along the way, they're doing one big pour to cover, like I said, the majority of the footings for the building.

3:52:45

So that's currently scheduled to happen on Friday morning.

3:52:49

So we're excited to see that happen.

3:52:52

If you're interested in coming to that, let us know.

3:52:54

Also, we have our weekly Thursday morning updates with Latent Construction and BCBO.

3:52:59

You're welcome to those as well.

3:53:01

And then if you're interested in seeing some photos, we are posting photos and updates on the Alta Canyon social media pages as well as the construction updates page on our website.

3:53:13

Thank you.

3:53:14

And thank you for this report.

3:53:15

I think it's going to be really helpful.

3:53:16

Really appreciate the work there.

3:53:19

That brings us to the very end.

3:53:21

Councilmember Meekham.

3:53:22

Move to adjourn.

3:53:25

Motion and a second.

3:53:26

All in favor say aye.

3:53:27

Aye.

3:53:28

Any opposed?

3:53:29

Good night.

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Summary of Proceedings

Sandy City Council Meeting Summary - December 9, 2025

The Sandy City Council convened on the evening of December 9, 2025, to conduct its regular business with a focus on honoring long-serving community members, establishing legislative priorities for the 2026 session, and addressing various operational updates. The meeting featured significant time dedicated to recognizing Wayne Niederhauser, Chief Gregory Severson, and Dan Medina for their retirements, followed by deliberations on the city's 2026 legislative agenda and the sale of surplus city properties.

Consent Calendar

  • Approved the reappointment of members to various special committees.
  • Approved the adjournment of the November 11 draft meeting minutes (with the 2026 annual meeting schedule resolution temporarily removed and amended later).
  • Adopted resolution 25-53C setting the 2026 City Council annual meeting schedule, amended to cancel the September 29th meeting and reinstate the September 8th meeting.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Henry Butters: Expressed strong frustration regarding the city's watch program, stating he felt unfairly denied participation despite military clearance, and raised concerns about homeless encampments impacting his safety and property. He specifically criticized Police Captain Amy Bryant for yelling at him on the phone, stating, "No one should be yelled at," and threatened legal action if such treatment continued.
  • Darren Butler: Provided positive testimony regarding the Sandy Library (a county facility within Sandy), encouraging residents to utilize its free resources, including LinkedIn Learning, technology checkouts, and community programs.

Discussion Items

  • Special Recognitions: The Council honored Wayne Niederhauser (State Homeless Services Coordinator), Chief Gregory Severson (30-year Police Chief), and Dan Medina (37-year Parks & Recreation Director). Council members expressed positions of deep gratitude, praising Niederhauser's advocacy for homeless services, Severson's steady leadership during difficult transitions, and Medina's community-focused spirit and stewardship of city parks.
  • 2026 Legislative Priorities: The Council reviewed a preliminary list of legislative priorities.
    • Mayor Zoltanski presented priorities focusing on local land use authority, affordable housing, Little Cottonwood Canyon transportation (supporting immediate bus services), public safety funding, and water utility resilience.
    • City Attorney Lynn Pace provided context on the upcoming legislative session, noting the need for a unified municipal voice.
    • Council Member Robinson expressed support for the list and advocated for the addition of a priority protecting municipal property taxing authority against state caps, which he described as a necessary

Meeting Transcript

If everybody could have a seat, please. Madam Chair, we're ready to get started whenever you're ready. Recording in progress. Thank you. All right, everyone, welcome. It is now 5 15 or shortly thereafter, and I'd like to welcome everybody to the Sandy City Council meeting this evening, December 9th. We're gonna go ahead and begin with a prayer and a pledge. Do I have any volunteers tonight that would like to give um the prayer before the meeting? Mr. Pace. Grateful for um the rich blessings that this community has. We're grateful for uh the opportunity to be here tonight. We're grateful, Father, for the people that we are going to recognize tonight for their uh many years of service to this community, and we ask uh thy blessings upon them that they would uh uh reap the benefits of all those efforts through the years. We also are grateful for our elected officials and pray for them tonight as they consider um issues and make decisions. Please be with them and help them. We pray uh uh for our community that we can stay um together as a community and can be united in purpose, and we say this in the name of Jesus Christ, amen. Thank you, Mr. Pace. And if everybody will rise and repeat the Pledge of Allegiance along with me. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one. Thank you everyone. Uh now we're gonna go ahead and take a moment for introductions, and we'll start over here with our council executive director. Thank you, Madam Chair. Uh my name's Dustin Fratto, I'm the with the City Council office. Uh there's a one other council staff member in the back of the room, Liz Terriel. I'm Tracy Cadell, I'm counsel for the council. Chris Edwards with the council office. Zach Robinson, District Three. Ryan Meekham, District One. Brooke D'Asouza at large. Alison Stroud, District Two. Erin DeKaiser at large. Cindy Sharkey at large. Hi, I'm Mayor Monica Zoltanski. I'm Shane Pay, City Administrator. Lynn Pace, City Attorney. All right, great. Um that brings us into our agenda. I just want to quickly address the general citizen comment period. We will be taking general citizen comment no sooner than 6 p.m. And so at an appropriate time during the meeting after 6 p.m. We'll come back to this segment. If you are interested in making public comment and you are here in the room, there are blue cards in the back of the room. Please fill them out and bring them up here to Dustin. If you're online, you will be asked to raise your hand at that time, and we will call on you after we've gotten through our in-room commenters. And everybody at that point will be given three minutes to speak. Now we're gonna go ahead and go into our agenda. So we do have some really amazing special recognitions here today. The first one, we are the council administration are issuing a joint recognition of Wayne Niederhauser for his service to Sandy City. And so Mr.

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