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Sandy City Council Work Session and Citizen Comment - December 16, 2025

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4:44

Okay, let's just share where you're ready.

5:00

We're gonna do a prayer and uh pledge of allegiance and introductions that we are going to uh do our work session.

5:08

And for those of you who are listening, we'll take public comment in between the work session.

5:12

As soon as we're done here, we go back downstairs, we'll do public comment down there.

5:16

So I'm gonna start us off tonight with a prayer, and then uh Alison is going to lead us in the Pledge of Legions.

5:27

We're grateful for the opportunity together together this evening.

5:30

We're thankful for the opportunity to talk and debate things that concern our great city of City.

5:36

We're thankful for the opportunity to be able to talk, communicate, grateful as we do so that we will always be mindful and respectful of one another, a process, and of course let's say this humbly.

5:50

I mean something, right?

5:59

Pledge allegiance.

6:00

I think the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God with liberty and justice for all.

6:16

And Dustin, if you can start us off introductions.

6:20

Yep, I'm uh Dust McPretto.

6:22

I'm with the City Council Office, uh, Chris Edwards, Justin Sornson, Tracy Cadell, and Liz Terriel also with the Council Office around the back of the room.

6:30

Zach Robinson, District Three.

6:33

Uh Jameson, community development director.

6:35

Shane Pace, City Administrator.

6:37

Alison Stroud, District Two.

6:39

Brian Vika, District One.

6:41

Lynn Pace, City Attorney.

6:43

Cindy Shirkani, City Council at Large.

6:46

Marcy Houseman, City Council, District Four.

6:49

Rob Sand, Deputy Director.

6:51

Jason Downlight Director.

6:55

Darren De Kaiser at large, Jake Warner, Alumni Responning.

7:00

Excellent.

7:01

Thank you all for being here tonight.

7:03

Our first item of business is talking about building our future, a community housing workshop series.

7:09

And this is if I haven't lost count then.

7:12

All right, so this is five and five.

7:14

We're going to turn the time over to Lynn, over to Justin, and over to Jake to make sure that we get through tonight.

7:21

So Lynn, how about thank you?

7:25

It's good for me with you.

7:27

And I know that you are breathless with excitement about workshop number five, which is fifty final workshop on this uh housing workshop uh housing discussion, which we committed we would get done before the end of the year, so we appreciate the helping that goal.

7:44

Um tonight um I'm actually just going to uh direct traffic.

7:49

Dustin and Jake are completing more of the discussion.

7:52

Um I'm gonna turn some time over to Dustin first, who's going to recap sort of where we've been and where we're going tonight.

7:59

Anyway, and then Jake and we'll chime in as we go.

8:03

Thanks, Lynn.

8:04

Go ahead.

8:04

Uh Liz, when you get a chance, could you pull up the slides?

8:10

Um they are in your packet, so I can start kind of running through them as well.

8:14

Okay, sorry.

8:15

I'm just gonna interrupt just thought of something else I should have said up.

8:18

Remember that this is a policy discussion.

8:22

This is not the decision making process.

8:25

We're not voting on ordinances or resolutions.

8:28

This is giving policy direction to uh to the administration so that we they have direction as to what where you want them to go on that housing uh issues.

8:41

Now, you adopted the general plan uh what 11 months ago, 10 months ago, James.

8:47

So this would be a housing subset within the general plan.

8:51

We'll talk more about how that fits, but but remember this is a policy discussion, so don't worry about the fact that we're not getting into all the details.

8:58

We won't do that yet.

8:59

This is broad direction, and uh and we hope to get to a conclusion tonight that would give us give James and his team of the administration the guidance they need to go forward more than awesome.

9:12

Thanks, Glenn.

9:13

Uh, as Lynn mentioned, I'm just gonna go ahead and do a quick kind of recap of where we've been so far in the housing workshop series, and then what we're hoping to accomplish tonight.

9:22

Uh I'll then turn it over to Jake.

9:24

Jake will uh take you through uh a conversation and then we've got an exercise we kind of want to conclude the night with.

9:31

And the exercise will help us to kind of get some some final 30,000 foot level policy direction uh that we can use to uh bring back code amendments uh over the next uh year, two years, however long it takes us to implement all of this, right?

9:48

Uh so first uh as a uh a planning team, we organize this workshop uh under a specific framework.

9:56

We had five questions that we identified.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Affordable Housing█████████████████████████████████33%
Land Use and Zoning███████████████████████23%
Personnel Matters█████████████13%
Community Engagement███████████11%
Miscellaneous████████8%
Procedural██████6%
Public Engagement███3%
Public Works██2%
Youth Programs1%
Summary of Proceedings

Sandy City Council Work Session and Citizen Comment - December 16, 2025

This meeting served as the fifth and final workshop in the City of Sandy's housing series, aimed at establishing high-level policy direction for adding "missing middle" housing types. The session focused on determining desired locational, design, and affordability conditions for new housing in lower-density neighborhoods and outlined the timeline for potential code amendments. Following the work session, the council heard public comments, provided standing reports, and participated in a special recognition ceremony for outgoing council members Zach Robinson and Ryan Vika.

Consent Calendar

  • Unanimously adopted the consent calendar.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Scott Earl expressed gratitude to the Mayor, Council, and staff for the construction of the new recreation center, fire station, and public works facility, specifically noting the projects were completed without a tax increase.
  • Henry Butters expressed frustration regarding a previous interaction with the Mayor, stating he should not be ordered to refrain from criticizing council members, asserting his right to express his feelings in the public forum.

Discussion Items

  • Housing Workshop Series (Policy Direction):
    • Context: Staff clarified this was a policy discussion to guide the administration for future code amendments, not a final vote on ordinances. The goal was to address "Who, What, Where, and How" of housing, with a specific focus on "How" to implement missing middle housing in lower-density neighborhoods (which comprise 76% of the city).
    • Housing Types Discussed: The council considered four specific types for lower-density areas: Detached Accessory Dwelling Units (ADUs), Small-Lot Single Family homes, Twin Homes, and Mansion-style Multifamily units.
    • Conditions and Incentives: Staff presented charts for the council to place stickers indicating whether housing types should be "Permitted," "Permitted with Conditions," or "Incentivized."
      • Detached ADUs: Received significant support (7/8 council members) for implementation in low and very low-density neighborhoods. Council expressed interest in incentivizing ADUs, particularly for aging in place.
      • Small-Lot Single Family: Some members (e.g., Councilor Houseman) argued for incentivizing these to create entry-level homeownership opportunities, despite low current construction rates due to developer cost preferences.
      • Twin Homes & Mansion Style: Discussed as potential housing types that match existing neighborhood scale and could support owner-occupancy or multi-generational living.
    • State Preemption: It was noted that the Utah Legislature is likely to preempt local ADU regulations, potentially requiring all cities to allow detached ADUs on large lots. The council used this session to determine which conditions (e.g., setbacks, design, location) and incentives they wish the state to consider or to retain authority over.
    • Process: The council agreed that staff must first receive this 30,000-foot policy direction before drafting specific code recommendations. Staff will then return with specific proposals based on this direction.
    • Timeline: A debate occurred regarding whether to fast-track housing code amendments separately from the general Title 21 code rewrite. Councilmembers Robinson and Vika advocated for immediate action on high-consensus items (like ADUs) to begin implementation sooner rather than waiting for the entire rewrite (potentially 18 months). Other members expressed caution, noting proximity to the state legislative session. Consensus leaned toward moving forward with specific, prioritized amendments (like ADUs) while the broader rewrite continues.

Key Outcomes

  • Policy Direction Established: The council provided broad policy direction favoring the introduction of missing middle housing (ADUs, small-lot single family, twin homes, mansion styles) into low and very low-density neighborhoods, with a strong preference for adding conditions rather than permitting them without restrictions.
  • Prioritization for Fast-Tracking: The council signaled a preference to prioritize and fast-track code amendments for high-consensus items, specifically Detached ADUs and Station Area Plans, rather than waiting for the complete code rewrite.
  • Staff Directive: Staff (Jameson's team) was directed to begin drafting specific code amendments and recommendations based on the sticker exercise results and tonight's discussion.
  • Retirement Recognition: Mayor Zoltanski and Council colleagues presented ceremonial street signs and plaques to outgoing Councilmembers Zach Robinson (serving 8 years) and Ryan Vika (serving 4 years) in recognition of their exceptional service, noting major accomplishments including new fire stations, the recreation center, and the Sandy Pace of Progress General Plan.
  • Future Meetings: The next regular council meeting was scheduled for January 6, 2026.

Meeting Transcript

Okay, let's just share where you're ready. We're gonna do a prayer and uh pledge of allegiance and introductions that we are going to uh do our work session. And for those of you who are listening, we'll take public comment in between the work session. As soon as we're done here, we go back downstairs, we'll do public comment down there. So I'm gonna start us off tonight with a prayer, and then uh Alison is going to lead us in the Pledge of Legions. We're grateful for the opportunity together together this evening. We're thankful for the opportunity to talk and debate things that concern our great city of City. We're thankful for the opportunity to be able to talk, communicate, grateful as we do so that we will always be mindful and respectful of one another, a process, and of course let's say this humbly. I mean something, right? Pledge allegiance. I think the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God with liberty and justice for all. And Dustin, if you can start us off introductions. Yep, I'm uh Dust McPretto. I'm with the City Council Office, uh, Chris Edwards, Justin Sornson, Tracy Cadell, and Liz Terriel also with the Council Office around the back of the room. Zach Robinson, District Three. Uh Jameson, community development director. Shane Pace, City Administrator. Alison Stroud, District Two. Brian Vika, District One. Lynn Pace, City Attorney. Cindy Shirkani, City Council at Large. Marcy Houseman, City Council, District Four. Rob Sand, Deputy Director. Jason Downlight Director. Darren De Kaiser at large, Jake Warner, Alumni Responning. Excellent. Thank you all for being here tonight. Our first item of business is talking about building our future, a community housing workshop series. And this is if I haven't lost count then. All right, so this is five and five. We're going to turn the time over to Lynn, over to Justin, and over to Jake to make sure that we get through tonight. So Lynn, how about thank you? It's good for me with you. And I know that you are breathless with excitement about workshop number five, which is fifty final workshop on this uh housing workshop uh housing discussion, which we committed we would get done before the end of the year, so we appreciate the helping that goal. Um tonight um I'm actually just going to uh direct traffic. Dustin and Jake are completing more of the discussion. Um I'm gonna turn some time over to Dustin first, who's going to recap sort of where we've been and where we're going tonight. Anyway, and then Jake and we'll chime in as we go. Thanks, Lynn. Go ahead. Uh Liz, when you get a chance, could you pull up the slides? Um they are in your packet, so I can start kind of running through them as well. Okay, sorry. I'm just gonna interrupt just thought of something else I should have said up. Remember that this is a policy discussion. This is not the decision making process. We're not voting on ordinances or resolutions. This is giving policy direction to uh to the administration so that we they have direction as to what where you want them to go on that housing uh issues. Now, you adopted the general plan uh what 11 months ago, 10 months ago, James. So this would be a housing subset within the general plan.

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