I call the arts culture and library commission meeting of July 15, 2025 to order at 6 36 p.m.

Would you please take the roll call?

Chair Scotland.

Present.

Vice Chair Miller.

Present.

Commissioner Alvarez.

Commissioner Cassidy.

Commissioner Gillary.

Commissioner Ridsdale.

Present.

Commissioner Smith.

Present.

Commissioner Velasquez.

We have six in attendance.

The quorum is met.

Great.

Item two, announcements.

We have no announcements.

Item three, consent calendar 3A, minutes of the July 17th, 2025 meeting.

Can I get a motion to approve the minutes of June 17th?

Motion.

I second.

Any discussion.

All in favor.

Aye.

Any opposed.

All right.

Motion carries.

Item four, library services staff report and announcements.

All right, thank you.

A couple of things.

Just a reminder that the commission, just like the council goes dark in August.

So we will not have a meeting in August.

The next meeting will be Tuesday, September 16th.

Tuesday, September 16th of 2025.

Moving on.

Since we last met, we had the San Lando Comedy Festival, which I think was a good success.

We hadn't do the math on total attendees, but there's you may recall there were three shows.

We had one at the Historic Ball Theater.

There were 281 attendees for that.

The one at the that's traditionally been held here at the main library had uh 249 attendees.

And then we had a show at the 21st Amendment brewery, which had 203 attendees.

So good numbers for um for the festival.

I think one of the one of the most interesting things was with respect to the historic ball theater and 21st Amendment brewery.

How many people who were in attendance had never been to either of those locations.

So we got to help support some local businesses at the same time as giving people I think a really uh enjoyable time.

Uh moving on.

The other thing that I wanted to mention is uh we have um uh council member Speide Viveros Walton has nominated Mr.

Andrew Acevedo to this commission and he will be sworn in at the next city council meeting on uh July 21st, and again we'll be able to attend his first meeting in September.

So we'll be back at nine Commissioners.

Um and then last item is uh received an email on Friday of Friday of last week, that uh from a colleague in the community development department, and they have uh had made a presentation to the finance committee on the committee excuse me on um development impact fees.

I have a copy of the presentation that they made to the finance committee, and one of the things that they're considering is the public art fee that we've been talking about, the one percent for art.

Uh so uh the way this works is they made a presentation to the finance committee to say that one of their recommendations was that this be considered by the full city council, which then will go to the city council on next Monday, July 21st.

So we're encouraging folks if you want to go there and during public comments, make any so you know supportive comments.

Um the staff report that they took to the finance committee that again will go to the full city council next Monday, uh, is their recommendation with respect to uh the public art requirement is based on the public art master plan, which we've discussed here, which calls for establishing an art obligation for private development projects set at 1% of overall construction cost exceeding 250,000 with a minimum percent allocated into a public art fund and um an in lieu fee.

So uh they could it could go either direction, they could require that if you're a new development, you put art at the development site, or if the site isn't great for public art, like this is not going to be particularly visible, they could require this uh one percent uh for again projects that exceed 250,000 dollars, which would go into the fund, which could then be used for public art throughout the city.

So they I said as I said they presented that to the finance committee on May 28th.

The report is on meeting central again.

I have a copy of it, what was presented to the finance committee.

So if you want to see that, it's uh in the city's website.

I don't know how it will change um in terms of what that present to the city council on the 21st, but I can once it's posted to meeting CIPL, I can forward that to the commission so that you can see what the presentation looks like if there have been any modifications to it.

But from what I understand from my colleague in the community development department, what I just uh record what I just described to you was what they will be presenting.

So again, if you want to attend city council to support that uh next Monday, July 21st.

And so the way they'll approach this is that the city council provides direction for the for the community development department who's the lead on this to go forward with developing this, then they will look to uh us to consider what that policy uh will look like in terms of drafting that policy, which is something we've been discussing, and I know we'll talk about it a little more later this evening.

So that's yes, of course.

That's my report.

Any questions?

Uh yes, um could could that report just be emailed to us, the one that was given to the finance committee?

Sure.

Um and then when the uh packet comes out with this presentation of the council of just the portion relating to this.

I could send you the link to that.

Okay, whatever link works, yeah.

Um your understanding that there's going to be a recommendation that the council direct staff to work with to work on developing this program.

Sorry, Commissioner Miller, may I see this?

So looking directly at what they uh this is from the presentation that was made to this is under the slide recommendations.

Recommendations consider new public art program.

And then when you look to page 124 program, public art master plan calls for establishing an art obligation for private development projects, opportunity to establish a new art requirement without negatively affecting development feasibility.

Requirements set as a percent of construction value, typically one percent.

Art in lieu fee, public art program could include optional in lieu fee that could be used to fund art in public locations.

Program details would be developed after receiving council direction.

So that's exactly from the report.

Thank you so much.

And the finance committee just direct the finance committee that they take this to the full council.

Yeah, if you look at the finance committee uh report, it says that they provided um what was it exactly um sorry the finance committee accepted the report and provided direction to staff.

So they will accepting the report, it'll go to the city council on like I said July 21, and then they'll determine whether or not to proceed to okay.

But well, I guess we're commenting on your report, I guess.

So that's wonderful news.

Um particularly after we got cut by the budget.

This actually is the issue that truly matters above everything, in my opinion.

So I would hope that everybody could come to the meeting next Monday night, and if you can't, you know, just send an email to the council member that appointed you and ask them to support this.

Um I would just ask really are you gonna be available to come to the meeting and speak on behalf of the commission?

I can check my schedule.

What time is the meeting on the meeting?

Yes.

Well, if supposedly it starts seven, so okay.

I mean, we we the letter that you sent, I think last December had I think text on if we would like for you guys to also support this.

So I mean you have the commission's support behind you for that.

Thank you so much.

So I could immediately tomorrow to answer Commissioner Cassley's question.

I could forward to you the link.

Again, this is on the city's website.

The part of the website's called uh meeting central, and it is where uh the records from these meetings occur as well as every other commission and city council and the committees uh within the city council.

So I can forward you the link to this, and then as soon as they publish, and it should be very soon because the meetings next Monday, I have to give at least 72 hours uh in advance.

So as soon as I have that, I will forward you the link so you can see what will be presented to city council that night and you can review it in advance.

You'll have the full agenda for the meeting that evening, but it'll include uh whatever reported whatever changes.

I didn't see anything that indicated there were changes, but then I didn't attend the meeting, so you'll be able to see what the current form looks like.

It's just wonderful news, thank you.

Yeah, any more commissioner comments questions on this item?

I'm just wondering about how it worked for for the finance committee to actually receive the recommendation and what moved them, or what may have persuaded them to accept it.

I don't know.

Well, I I don't think the finance they've been talking about doing a study on impact funds for like several years.

Okay.

And Roe and I communicated with Tom Liao, and this is one of the things that he had mentioned was going to be looked at.

Apparently, under state law, they have to look at the impact fees that they assess.

So if you want to do a huge development, you might have to pay some money to the school district.

You might have to pay some money to the city that goes in the parks.

Well, other cities have had art funds that they didn't do all this, but but we were told that under the current law of California, if you're going to look at this art fund, you have to do it in relation to an overall study of the impact fees that cities can impose on developments.

And it's just taken a while, but it sounds like it came to fruition, and it sounds like you know, yay, there's very pro-art people within the city community development program that came forward with this recommendation.

That's my best guess.

Okay.

So it's nice to have an ex-mayor on very nice.

Thank you.

Um Bill, I have a question.

So based on this, is it your sense that if this were approved, the public art fund would be managed under the community development folks?

I think that's a matter of when they talk about developing the policy that would be included in that.

So yeah.

Cool.

The beauty is is that it's very clear that um, you know, we were closely with the community development department, and they've said they will, you know, they gave us a heads up, albeit I would have liked it a little earlier, but we got it when we did, and um uh there's a clear intention to work with us to develop the policy.

So great.

Fantastic.

Thank you.

Moving on to item five, public comments.

We have no public.

Moving on to item six, presentations.

We have no presentations.

Moving on to item seven, action items.

7A, fiscal year 26 work plan.

So this is our big meaty meat and potatoes thing for this evening.

Uh the purpose of this item is to initiate a discussion over the work we want to do over the next 12 months.

This is the beginning of the new fiscal year, like everything is new and shiny.

What do we want to do?

Um, there are three specific items that I would like us to consider making part of our work plan.

And I will read these and then we'll kind of talk through all three of them.

Uh thing the first, what would you eyeballs to all of you want to work on and accomplish over the next year?

I'd like to hear from each of you.

Uh, what can the commission help you accomplish as part of your work on this commission?

This is a working commission.

If you have ideas for things, start thinking about that.

Um, I won't necessarily put you all on the spot and stare at you, but like think about it.

Uh thing the second, the city council's quality of life priority.

Specifically consider working on the following deliverable.

Identify local businesses and sponsors to expand opportunities for larger projects.

That is that is a large topic in and of itself.

And number three, suddenly more relevant, one percent for art.

The Alts and Arts Endowment Committee has been working on creating a proposal at the request of the mayor.

So this would be committing to formally making this part of our fiscal 20 fiscal year 26 work plan.

So we may have like 2.25 priorities.

Depending on what the city council does on the 21st, I think it could work hand in close.

Yeah, we either got off scot-free with one of our three things or we have more work to do.

Number two again, please.

Uh the city council's quality of life priority.

Um that was a big list of things that each department in the city received to work on, and uh the following deliverable of identify local businesses and sponsors to expand opportunities for larger projects.

So that can theoretically also be tied in with the public art one percent for art.

If I could speak to that, sure, please.

So a few meetings passed.

I had uh as part of I think the same report as part of the uh staff report mentioned that the city council they have a variety of priorities, and they established a relatively new quality of life priority, and it affects different departments in terms of having to come up with deliverables relative to that priority, and the library department, the rec department uh are two of the departments that have a list of deliverables underneath this quality of life priority.

And when I talked with the uh director about what one of these would be something that we would like to see the commission work on, this seemed like a natural because the specific deliverable to read it again is identify local businesses and sponsors to expand opportunities for larger projects.

Maybe not as clear as it could be, but the point of that is who can we talk to in the community that might be willing to donate?

Uh again, we're talking about uh funds, making funds available to support art that could be independent, such as the one percent for art, independent of the um the general fund, uh the larger city budget, and how it might change year to year, look at ways to develop different ways of funding our projects.

So uh our thinking is that this is a natural place to start because you folks are in the community.

You may know individuals, businesses, people within businesses that might be amenable to helping to support the art, which you'd lay the groundwork for the director myself, and and working in connection with you folks to reach out to these you know, these individuals and businesses and make the case for uh donation to support the arts.

And this would be something like I said, independent of the uh city's general fund.

So be the start for you know, we could see how this all shakes out legally, but could be it's this you know, basis for an endowment that would support the arts.

So great.

So let's just go down these and start with the first one where I'm putting you all on the spot.

Um, does anyone have thoughts on this?

What would you like to work on and accomplish over the next year?

Um, either as a commission or is there some project you have, you know, like for example, like game of shrooms for me.

Last year I brought this and said, here, let's do game of shrooms.

How about this?

Do we either any of you folks have a game of shrooms like thing?

Is there something in particular you wish to see this body doing as a priority?

I'll I'll start.

I don't want to get ahead of the agenda, but I think you know, we have home movie day on here, but the larger question of how do we partner with the library to help organize and sponsor programs that the library hosts.

Um Kelly Kiefer and I were talking about this yesterday.

I'll go in more into the details about Home Movie Day, but one of her questions was like, what are the responsibilities of if like a commissioner or the commission is that says, hey, we want to do this program.

How much of that responsibility lies on the commission versus the library?

How do we factor that into your strategic plans and prioritization?

Because I think it would be you know, hopefully we have many good ideas of programs we'd like to do, but you know, what what is fair and feasible to the library and how do we kind of like negotiate that and bring the ideas to the table in a sustainable way?

So I don't know if we can answer that right now.

But that was that's a good balance though of like you know, not being a volunteering the library to do stuff versus where do where is our skin in the game.

Yeah.

Nice.

Thank you.

Who's next?

Well, I mean, right off the top of my head, I think a lot of people connect with um their cultural identity type of projects.

So that might be a good avenue to explore.

Um we could probably seek out businesses that are focused on for example Hispanic businesses, you know, uh Mexican businesses, uh waterwallet businesses, if they're interested in some type of connection with our commission to express themselves or to reach out to others that are connected to them to their culture, you know, things of that nature.

Because a lot of our businesses in Salyandro are a big handful of small businesses, and they might want to take on the opportunity to you know to express themselves and at the same time present themselves to you know, Sally Androns and be able to connect and fund some type of project.

That's what I'm thinking.

So just to restate it back at you a little bit.

Were you thinking something more like let's say like Mexican restaurant week rather than like San Leandro restaurant week generally, just like a more culturally aligned version of something?

Or it could even be an alignment with one of um the holidays like the other place.

I don't think in the city of San Andrew we have anything around that holiday, for example, and maybe all of the schools, just the schools, yeah.

So the schools I know that they're very big on cultural pride, but I don't think that the city has expanded that area, so it might be a good area of exploration.

That's not only to connect with the people that live here, but the businesses that are here.

Yeah, and represent the same background.

That's a very art-filled like that's a lot of good art touch points, yeah.

Yeah, thank you.

Yeah, that's a great one.

The dovetail on that, you know, we have a lot of Chinese here too.

A lot of cultures in our city.

Yeah, you know, a lot of uh restaurants as well, and then we have the lunar new year and all of that.

So yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Thank you.

Since you're already talking, do you want to keep going?

Well, I love that idea.

Um I'd like to see, and I don't know whether or not this is possible, but when we drive underneath underpasses, they're filled with filth, and I'd love to see them filled with art.

Um if that's possible.

It's my understanding that we we probably have to partner with Alameda County, because I think that they have some jurisdiction under the under the underpasses.

Um, I'm not sure if maybe looking at these sponsors might be a nice way to perhaps partner um just to clean it up, make it nice and um beautify that those areas where we're walking.

Um I'd like to see if when we're working on next year's program like we did this year, if there might be any ways possible to make it a little easier for our applicants to understand things if possible, um, and start working on that early so we're not kind of crunching it in and laying everything on your shoulders, and I know you're already so incredibly stretched thin, but I mean, looking at maybe some plain language um options for that, so that we don't end up feeling really bad, like for the people that were working with you.

Um I just felt my heart just kind of felt sad about that.

So trying to look for ways that we can do that and maybe do it a little earlier if possible.

I think you mentioned that.

Yeah.

So just kind of revamping that a little and just learning from some of the things that happened this year and trying to find a way that'll make it work.

Um so we can maybe overcome those barriers in a in a in a way that's possible and very respectful.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Yeah, those are two great options.

The undercasts are always a thing.

And I when I see other cities with pretty over underpasses, I'm always like, ooh, it's nice over here.

Let's the lighting is already there.

I remember we had an issue with the lighting on one of our art pieces.

We want it to light up.

Right?

And then we're like, oh, that's not gonna work, so can't use that art piece.

Yeah.

That makes total sense.

But thank you so much.

Thanks.

Who's next?

Steven, you have a ready-to-go face.

Well, I don't know.

Go for it.

Okay.

Um, well, uh I mean, one thing we obviously have to do in terms of work plan for next year is determine how we want to allocate our reduced budget.

Um we have 50,000.

Um I personally very much support the grants program, but I think there's value in trying to simplify it.

Because obviously the size of it's gonna be smaller.

I mean, I don't know if the awards levels will be different.

Certainly, the number of awards may be different.

Um, and some of the issues that were mentioned.

You've also expressed the desire to make sure that we have the materials in multiple languages, so we need to, I think invest in that up front, and then take that into account in terms of what the what that will cost and what the um then what the size of the ward is.

I very much would like to see us still continue to support public art at the Hisparian Triangle.

My hope is that one day that we'll flourish into something that we can all take pride in.

And I kind of fear like if we allow the art to disappear from there, we might not ever get it back.

Maybe that's apparently more from fear than anything else.

But um that doesn't leave you much.

I mean that doesn't leave money for art under the underpasses or other things, you know.

I mean, the pie is shrinking on us.

Yeah, um, and that would also mean not supporting the comedy show, too, potentially.

Um that's but I do think we need to think about um ways in which you know we can do things that um add to you know much of the different celebrations of our culture that are already occurring in the city in a way that makes a difference and is fun and positive and not expensive.

I mean that was the beauty of the the shroom event.

But um, yeah, I mean it's like can we think of how to support public art on a shoestring?

Yeah, you know, or or different or or you know, or partnerships too, you know.

I mean, or you know, if there's some coordination, I mean, maybe we could talk to the school district and say, well, could you do a citywide day of the dead celebration that we would promote?

And I don't know, you know, maybe we did like a 200 or something.

I don't know, you know, something like that, or or with the chamber, you know, they have a they have a couple different ethnic councils, maybe there's something we talk to them about.

Um small business support.

Yeah, I don't know.

That's just but you know, I mean, this could all dramatically change if we ultimately get this one percent for the arts plan.

Because then we could be talking about some serious money and our aspirations could be ready to buy the resources.

We'll be ready for it when it comes to those are just some accounts.

Great.

Could you clarify the triangle?

Well, that's you know, where um well it's Hisparian Bancroft and um East 14.

Harry's Hoffbras.

Harry's Hoffbrow.

Oh, gas station.

Thank you.

Yeah.

The city owns there's a triangle there, literally.

Okay, yeah, yeah.

Yes, and we've had public art there, and we've had some neat things.

We've got one.

But it's all been you know, somewhat discreet because we haven't been able to put a lot of public art in there.

Um, but it's still been going on for a number of years now.

Uh I think there's a really neat exhibit there right now, or maybe installation, but it's only one, and it's you know, there's telephone poles, there's a fence, you know, it's power lines.

It it's it's something that needs millions of dollars to really renovate to make it to a beautiful platform.

But that's what it could be.

I mean, it's it's the southern entrance to the city, or it's a entrance to the city.

Yeah question.

Yes.

The big beautiful art sculpture of the woman um at BART who funded that.

That was privately funded.

Privately funded, okay.

With sort of like a one percent for art thing, like the off the table deal, I believe.

And they actually spent more money than they needed to.

Like the city basically badgered them into putting art there, and they spent more than they had to get their friends.

Well, it's the thing.

It's the tech campus.

So that will tell you.

Okay, okay.

Can I just say a little bit about that?

So Patrick Kennedy was the chairperson of OSI Soft, which was the company that developed the tech campus.

He's now passed away.

He was a San Leandrin, incredibly community-minded.

And he started as a small business, and then 40 years later, it's one of the largest private floors in San Leandro, because they're all software engineers and paid well.

Um so they want to move from the building which is this Kaiser Mental Health facility now.

It's on it's on Davis Street.

It was the old OSI soft.

Kaiser which you took it over.

They wanted to develop a new building, create this tech campus.

Um this was a planned development.

So they had so the city had a lot of control over its authorization and approval.

They had to come to the city to get approval for what they want to do.

I was mayor at the time.

The city manager at the time was also very much pro-public art.

So there was a um there was a requirement put in that they had to have a public art component.

They were not told what particular art.

They they went out and did that themselves.

Yeah.

Um, and they were told a base dollar amount and they exceeded that.

But that's an example of you know, if the city requires every public art component, you could get something just amazing.

Yeah.

That's where we come into next Monday's meeting to vouch for the one percent money.

Okay.

But that's that was like unfortunately, that was a one-off.

That was not part of the systematic program that was then developed.

Oh, okay.

It's just coincidentally what's happening next week.

Okay.

Natalie.

Thank you.

Either of you wish to go.

Alright, you want to go?

Oh, I can somebody had suggested at some point a while ago.

Um, I know there's been like a lot of places where there's like storefront vacancies.

And can we sort of either do pop art and pop up art or something in there?

I know when I walk to work in the city, like they've taken some old or some empty buildings and sort of done like galleries and stuff and just sort of repurpose the space in temporary ways that like makes it feel less like light or you know, so I don't know if that's a possibility.

It is a possibility.

The mayor likes it, and there's already someone in the community who's done a presentation about it, and all we have to do is give her money and she's ready to do it.

So that thank you for bringing that up.

That is a or if we don't have the money, we can talk to the owners at this store.

Right.

Right, business, yeah, to see if they're interested in partnering at least.

With the quality of life priority.

Yeah, exactly.

Laura.

And thank you, Natalie.

Yes, that is a great idea.

Do you have any sense of how much money is needed for that type of project?

No.

It can vary wildly.

I mean, she would need some number of dollars to manage the program, but it would also depend on how many storefronts, you know, how many artists.

It can be done relatively cheaply, and San Francisco actually has a handbook on how to do it.

So I like that idea.

Yeah.

Um, I was just gonna say that given our shoestring budget, it seems like we should just be consistent with keeping prior projects going, like the grant program.

Um and then if we focus knowing how there's less funds next year, we can target that towards getting the grants program moving earlier in the year.

Um, although I do like this pop art idea.

I think there could also be like a fun partnership with students or schools, right?

Like they I'm sure kids would be like thrilled to see their art pop up in some of these places.

Yeah, speaking of student, there's that little business or like nonprofit called tags, right?

And they love making art expression through clothing and accessories and things like that.

And then that I think is uh supported by the school district.

I don't know.

Yeah, I wonder who helped them.

They have private donors.

Okay.

And then um somehow storefront with the Apple Bar at the same time.

I think they got a grant from us.

I don't know about most recently.

Okay.

Cool.

Okay.

Thank you all so much.

This is this is good.

I'm sensing some themes.

Um, I'm sensing lots of energy still around the grants.

I'm sensing some energy on doing things that don't cost too much, or either in you know, library time and energy or monetarily.

Um, the art in storefronts, we've we have talked about that before, even in this group as a potential like backup priority.

You know, we had some, I think it was last year.

We had I think we had like a list of backup priorities in case we had extra money or something, and we listed them at some point.

But so where do you think like should we close this out?

Do we need to make priorities now?

Is this like what should our next steps be for each of these items?

Well, I think um what we could do is uh like we we did at one point with uh arts master plan where we listed those uh priorities and brought the list to the commission as a whole and did a rank choice so that basically ideas put on the table and then uh the commission as a whole could vote.

We could do something along those lines at the September meeting, and that would be an ideal time then to talk funding, like how we would whatever the decision is, however it shakes out, then we could talk about the allocation of the monies to make that happen.

That's one idea because this was a exactly what we wanted, which is sort of brainstorming, and then I think narrowing it down to make choices because obviously all this can't be funded.

Right, yeah.

That would be my thought as to how we might move forward.

Okay.

Yeah.

So at the September meeting, we'll come back and think about, you know, ex like actually figure out our funding, like not only our which priorities do we want to rank, but like how much are we going to give for the grants program and how much do we want to reserve for other things, and are there other things that we want to put money towards also?

Um this would also be a good time to think about the local businesses and sponsors, because you know, if we have less money for the grant program, do we want to talk to local businesses and start offering you know specific grants with those names on it, even you know, like oh, you've got the marina in grant for your whatever or your you know Ghirardelli grant.

Yeah, I think I think that's an excellent point, you know.

The library director Brian Simons has uh a lot more development experience than I do, and he always talks about connecting it to people's passions and being specific.

So if we had something and could request that support, then I think it would be more likely to be successful.

So I think that's a great point.

Um, and I think again the reason we put number two on this list as far as the work plan is you know, while that's true, um, in terms of the principle of successful fundraising.

The other thing that Brian will tell you quickly is that you develop relationships that you don't go in and say, hey, I know you're rich, and could you give me 50,000?

You know, that it's a matter of talking to people, finding out what what is their passion, and then you know uh talking with them about the kinds of things that we're working on.

So again, what we would like is to you know um hear from this group again ideas like Commissioner Gastley brought up um uh Patrick Kennedy, unfortunately has passed away, but there may be other people in the community that more connected to, and looking at all the commissioners here that where we could start.

Again, individuals uh themselves, individuals who work within businesses that might be community-minded that could give us contacts within those businesses.

So I think it'd be worth having a conversation now about doing does anybody come to buy you know in terms of yeah, who has rich friends?

Community minded.

I've worked for Kaiser for 25 years.

I know that the CEO of Kaiser is very, very, very interested in promoting eating uh healthy foods.

Um very much like uh lots of fruits, lots of vegetables.

Um I think that they might be willing to invest in something that might support that endeavor, maybe even with maybe some um art underneath an underpass that has people enjoying eating good healthy families, that kind of thing.

Um I know that they've been really promoting that, although I don't know the history, and I would like to know if there is a history with Kaiser working with this particular committee or releasing funds.

There isn't there is not too much knowledge.

This would be a first effort would be our like do you have the inside line on you know that that staff directory where you could get us a development person?

I've got friends that could have some friends.

Great.

So yeah, sweet.

That is that's a good option.

That's a lead.

Kaiser is huge in San Leandro, and they love to invest in community.

Right.

And they have funds that they have specific for that.

I just need to find who the person is that can open up those Persk drinks and collaborate with us.

Well, you know, Kaiser's hospital.

I mean, has it has everybody been there?

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

I mean, it's the number one art museum in San Leandro.

I mean, there's so much art in there.

Yeah, I know, and I want to know who buys it, so go buy my photographs.

Well, I think it's I think we're you know 10 years too late on that one because I think I think they bought everything for it for opening, but I was just missing like it would be I mean obviously somebody Kaiser really likes art because they fill the post with art.

I mean, I was thinking it'd be great if we could get Kaiser to like sponsor the art museum to have it open more or underwrite some of the costs.

Or maybe we could say you bring your art over from the hospital, put it on temporary displays, but then you also pay for the building to be open for the rest of the community.

I don't know.

Well, great, and so that's a good thing to maybe grab some names or figure out something, and then we could that's the kind of thing that we bring back to Bill and Brian to be piggyback on that.

Um partners with the city include all the big companies that were announced at um our city report meeting, state included Ava, Energy, Kaiser, uh that's all I could think of waste management.

Yeah, waste management, or no, Alumina County Industries, or is it waste management?

Okay.

Those would be great people because they're already supporting our city through our city government.

So it'd be okay to ask, you know, or to reach out and connect about supporting our commission.

Some of these trash companies in their communities, they support children's art programs or contests.

That's one thing I wanted to say, and then the second thing I wanted to say was um I was on the tip of my tongue.

Oh, how do we get access to um possibly sharing an announcement on our on the library's media, our media, if we have an account on Instagram or something like that.

Um, saying, hey, are you you know, are you passionate about art in the city of San Diego?

Have you connected with our commission?

We invite you to reach out to us if you're interested in making a difference in your city, the something some type of just invite, like open invite to get us kick you know to kick it off.

It's interesting that the mention of waste management and what they sponsor art wise.

Um Francisco has the dump has an artist in residence.

And it is the coolest program.

So maybe San Leandro could have an artist in residence at the Dell.

So many things that are thrown away are so actually useful and that's all I got.

More of a logistics question, but um assuming like you do get sponsorship.

I know there's always the question of where does the money go and in terms of the funds.

So is some of what the city council is going to decide on will solve that problem of let's say we get lucky and we the first time we approach a business or a sponsor, they're like, yes, we want to write you a check for 10,000.

Let's say we get lucky and we the first time we approach a business or a sponsor, they're like, yes, we want to write you a check for 10,000.

Where does that money go?

So the um the city can accept donations.

Yeah.

The key is that it's targeted and uh specific.

Okay.

Uh so that you know one, if they want to make it a tax deductible that gives my understanding, I'm no tax attorney, but that's my understanding.

And then it's also clear so that we don't have to worry about things like the carryover, it would it would just be a donation, and there wouldn't be any question about from one fiscal year to the next.

So the city can definitely accept donation.

Okay, yeah, it would be either earmarked or reserved funds that would be specifically for the use of this commission.

I see.

Gotcha.

So they couldn't buy hats for firemen.

Right.

I think I have one more.

Speaking of the His variant triangle, would it make sense to reach out to all the businesses surrounding it and ask them if they like to beautify it, be a part of beautifying that section?

So obviously attract more people to their businesses to that entire section.

I don't know.

It sounds like a lot of outreach, I would imagine we're gonna need a subcommittee for this.

I don't know what beautifying that would be.

I know, I know that's very general word, but put more art there.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, no, no, that that's what I would say.

I mean, it just needs to they need a bulldozer, replace it.

The thing that I think is most important about Commissioner Velasquez's suggestion is the the strategy is talk to the people who probably have a motivation to make something better.

Yeah, I think that's brilliant.

It would be very interesting to get their perspective.

Do they like the artists there?

Would they like to see something much better?

Um, yeah, and something more permanent.

Because I think that's like the big piece of part.

Yes.

And we also talked about the missed opportunity to get a lovely team flamingo.

Right.

You know, I mean, but I think the point that I'm trying to make is I think this is the way we have to think.

It's like who you know, finding people who are invested, the Kaiser in healthy eating, and how can we turn that into a specific art-related project that would fit within this, you know, within this commission, and but also meet their interest.

And the same thing.

You're appealing to those businesses, they're interested in perhaps making what's without the art just a patch of dirt, really.

So I think that's a brilliant way to approach it.

So great suggestion.

So I have a dream.

I I realize I didn't like sort of talk about what I want to think about a little bit.

And it just reminded me all of a sudden when you said pink flamingo.

There is an art group that has made an enormous light up rainbow.

It is 40 feet long, I think, maybe 40 feet tall.

It's huge.

Giant lights up, you can climb on it.

I've been talking to the mayor on and off forever, just badgering him, that we should put it at the marina.

And so every frickin' flight that comes in looks over to the right and sees a giant rainbow because San Leandro is a city in which kindness matters.

And if we're the kind of place that can put like a giant frickin' rainbow, that everyone's like, holy shit, what is that?

How many of those people don't even know where San what San Leandro is?

So that's my dream.

That's not gonna happen next year with our $50,000 budget.

But it could happen if we had a one percent for art.

Um just yeah, I just I just want to keep keep us dreaming bigger and thinking about how can we get there, because like yes, we have a budget, it's amazing that this commission of any commission has a budget.

You know, it's sort of sucks that it's less, but the fact that we still have one is cool, but we're not gonna get big things done with that budget, even if it was 75,000, even if it was 150,000, because you know, buying one piece of permanent art and installing it and making an art pad for it, that would be our whole year's budget anyway, if we were to buy something significant.

But if I may that's the whole idea, yes, is it I mean, we I think one of the reasons we wanted to talk about this with this commission is I think we're trying to look at what's the impact, and something like that, what you're describing, and that's a vision.

People again, that's specific.

It's a it's vision, it could apply or appeal to a lot of different people, but it's like that as you described it.

But it's like that, as you described it, I could feel what you were, and I could visualize it, and I could think, wow.

The arts, culture, and library commission made that happen.

It's it's seeing having that vision and putting it in front of people and inspiring, and and that would have a huge impact.

So that's what we're looking for.

Something that's more than just and I say just we do a lot, we've done a many things.

We want it, you know, as Brian and I have been thinking about making this commission, you know, leveraging all of every everybody who sits on it, and the power of the commission as it's connected to the city council is how can we have a bigger impact with respect to art in the community?

So this is this is trying to the one percent for art, that would be awesome.

Um, and we'll see how that plays out.

This is a way to try to move that forward now.

Right.

I just suggest that maybe Marty Night should be as a concrete example of what could be done and how it's gonna positively impact San Leandro and a rainbow light display of the uniquely appeal to some of the council members.

Print out a big picture of it.

Yeah, I don't know how you climb on it, but I'll leave that one to you.

I think sorry, I think you make it into a hat.

I do that.

And then one of the something out of was it beach blanket babble?

Exactly.

Yeah, that was the inspiration.

Is that still those?

Yeah.

It's aware of the rainbow right now.

Rainbow is in storage.

It was made by some folks in um in San Francisco, and they rented out like we could rent it, we could lease it or we could buy it.

But they also made the 40 foot tall pink flamingo that we almost had in this fairing triangle, and I was outvoted by like one vote, and everyone afterwards was like, You were right, Prody.

Well, when was that vote?

Yeah, that wasn't a good thing.

It was the prior commission.

Oh, well, those people, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I probably wouldn't vote for the first time.

I'm just still hanging on to that, like uh trying to forget about the pink flamingo.

I can't.

It's cool.

Um piggy back on what you were saying about the rainbow over at the marina park.

There is really no art over there.

There's so much space, and there are these big buildings, and you know, unfortunately, a lot of our um unhoused individuals that either are framework in or come to Salian or go to that area, but there's a lot of space there to have art to have expression, to have to make it look better.

Yeah, yeah, there's so much space over there.

If they can get that development thing going again, it would be a good thing for us to insert ourselves in that process as much as possible because that would be a huge opportunity from you know, talk about pre-planned development.

Talk about one percent of the talk about one percent of all kinds of juicy things.

Wow.

So, okay we can have a flock of pink fluid.

We could have all of the flaming things in the world.

So let's keep thinking about people we can reach out to, you know, ideas we can reach out to them with, you know, special opportunity is Monday night.

Yes, okay, yeah, Monday night.

Okay, start there at the city council.

Um any last thoughts about sponsorships reaching out to the community, anything else.

If if we're okay with us putting it out on the on the socials, you'd have to draft something, or I could draft something, it's send it over it.

Specific asks seem to be best.

Like if it's just like, hey, if you're interested in art, and then it's like, oh, I'm interested in art, well, give us some money.

Yeah, like for what?

I know I know.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, maybe it's too soon for the open invite.

Um having a specific ask is always a little better.

And if I may, I think I hear where you're going with that.

I think a specific ask for specific project, like this amazing rainbow concept, but also again, I think a lot of this when it comes to raising the kind of money that we'd like to see eventually, it's about building those connections and relationships.

So that's where if you have a connection with Kaiser and you can get us to that person, you know, and and we can we can make that connection.

That's really what we're looking for.

Because we think, again, you know, Brian Simons, the library director is the one who has that experience, and those are the things he keeps emphasizing with me that I wanted to bring to the commission so that again you have connections to the community.

And you know, and that person, maybe they know somebody, you know, and make those connections and hopefully and real talk, you know, like most people are having a hard time right now.

Fundraising for the arts is not going well in anything, and like part of me would feel guilty taking you know, dozen egg money out of someone's mouth when they're just trying to get by like we're looking for the more price and sensitive people.

Or companies, or companies, yeah.

Kaiser's a great example.

Yeah, they have a huge footprint here.

Right.

They should be giving like what are the companies and places that should be giving back to the community, and they've been getting kind of a free ride.

Well, you mentioned uh prologus, yeah.

It's another one.

There's also um Aries, or I don't know if I'm pretty sure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, like the Western area.

Yeah, they're big.

Yeah, and I think they're one of the bigger companies in St.

Learn right now, so very fashionable.

They're very what fashionable fashion.

They can sponsor the commission, you can get free.

Yeah.

I have no connection.

I just know that they're here, and they're uh I mean they're like the major tenant in one of those campuses.

Yeah, in front of the lady statue.

Yes, yeah.

Um, do we does anyone here know who's um developing that bayfair?

Because there is development going on on there, right?

Uh but there is there's a series of smaller companies.

Oh, is it okay?

Gotcha.

But it's run by a big developer.

The same people who did the gate 510 are developing it, and they're they're rich people.

Well, it's it's good that they're rich because most of the Bay Share malls empty right now, so they're not collecting any tenants.

That's that's tricky.

And when I tried to rent it out for artists, they were definitely charging market rate.

So are you guys looking for us to just collect ideas of people and organizations and companies to funnel to you, and then you guys will be developing those relationships.

You're not asking us to like approach unless we have like a personal connection.

No, I think you it's a great question.

The idea is if you can give us uh the you know, those uh referrals, companies, contacts within companies, individuals, whatever it might look like, then we would coordinate uh working with you in terms of thinking what is the best way to approach this person.

And typically, if you have a relationship with them, we might have an initial let's get together for coffee and just talk about you know, casual, and then of course we want the person who has that connection to be there.

Yeah, okay.

Okay, all right.

And I don't think we really need to talk too much about the one person for art at this point because we're kind of in a limbo, right?

I think that um you know that that there's been some effort towards that is what I would say, and that you know hopefully we can um you know fingers crossed for the good outcome on Monday good from the perspective that we'd like to see the council get behind this, and then that could kick into high gear, this idea of helping develop the policy because they're gonna be some choices.

I was looking at this, and there's some choices about do you say you know, you can put a piece of art at your location where you're developing, or you could give us uh the city the funds uh you know, and one percent of you know whatever it is, or is it both?

Do you ask ask require a developer to do both?

So I think there'll be an opportunity to really think through that policy so that we have its most effective towards my thinking is that what this commission would be most interested in would be funds that could be used, not you know, at a specific site, although that might be nice, like the um the piece of art by the bar station, but it might be more like we'd like to see a fund where we could determine where art goes within the city.

So I think that policy uh contra contributing to that policy development would be where the you know this commission could be uh could have that impact.

Exactly what we're talking about before, but just have you know, hopefully a time frame and and um you know a requirement that it'd be completed by X date, so it can then that could be approved by council and we could go forward.

So great.

Well, to be determined, hopefully Monday will go well.

Um do we have any last comments, questions, concerns on this item, or should we move forward?

Um just knowing how long city council meetings can be.

Is there any idea when where women frame this will be?

Thank you, it's a good question.

I um as soon as they post that to meeting central and like forward it, you'll be able to see on the agenda where this falls as far as the meeting.

And and I I can't tell you depends on what else is on the agenda, but at least you could see where it would fall on the agenda.

It's so hard to predict sometimes.

All right.

Well then we don't have anything we need to motion at this point.

So let's move on to item 7B, home movie day.

Do you have a report for us?

I do.

So I think this came up maybe in the last meeting, but there is an event called Home Movie Day that is run by the Center for Home Movies, it's an international event that is about helping communities basically like dust off their VHS and film reels from their grandparents, take them out of the attic, screen them at a local you know, cinema or library to basically highlight local culture, family history, things like that.

Um I I have a background in film archives, so this is like dear and dear to my heart, and I've had friends who have volunteered to run these in the past, and um I just think it was it was brought to my attention again by a colleague of mine, and it stood out to me as something that we could possibly help facilitate for San Leandro.

We have a memory lab in the history room where people are encouraged to digitize family photos, um uh like audio visual media, things like that.

So I spoke with Kelly Kiefer, who is the youth services librarian um here, uh because she's also in charge of the memory lab, and uh we were kind of coming up with ideas of how how could this work for the library and and be sustainable?

Um and what she and I proposed, and we still need to do some more research about feasibility and impact and and those sorts of things, but basically have a a call for entries for a more curated film festival that we would or film program that we'd put together.

Patrons would come into the memory lab, digitize their their own home movies themselves to make take advantage of that equipment that's there and kind of activate that space.

Somebody either on library staff or volunteer would then um collect the the files from the people if they wanted to participate, it's edit it together into like a shortish film program that can then be exhibited at the library, and you know, we could include context of like, oh, this is so-and-so's Kincenita from like 1965, or this is the Cherry Festival in 1978.

Like we would you know, we talked about like is it any home movie?

Um, and definitely we'd want stuff that has a San Leandro focus and like the sense of San Leandro's place, but also representing the people.

Um that's kind of the idea of what the event would be, whether or not we can actually get enough people to participate and things like that.

We're gonna speak with um the African American Museum and Library of Oakland did a similar program 2017, and that was like basically what I just described to you, but focus on Oakland and African American heritage.

Um so we want to talk with people who put that on to be like, why did you do this only one time?

Like, what was participation like?

Um and then also speak with um Bay VAC, which is the Bay Area Video Cortium.

They have people who know how to who have the skill set to do the editing and kind of maybe like be there on hand to help patrons if needed.

Um but we also thought that could be a nice partnership to have as we're trying to establish more relationships with arts organizations throughout the Bay Area.

So I don't know if there's any action item necessary other than if we want to put this as like a possible priority to doing that prioritization exercise.

Um but I think Kelly and I would want to do a little bit more reconnaissance to make sure that this feels right.

But um I think we're both excited about it activating the memory lab, which maybe doesn't get as much love as it could doing more on the the culture and library side of this commission as opposed to like I think there's artistry and even amateur video and film, but like having those faces and lives represented um and also just a different type of program so that could be kind of compiled over time.

So that is the idea.

She said October 2025 is not realistic, which is this year's home movie day, so we're like, what about it's usually in the fall sometime?

So it would be fall 2026, and I think that would give us more runway to to do it justice and do it well, and um but she cited that there were a couple people on staff who at least would be maybe like interested in editing the film program together or like being enthusiastic around that if time and resources are available.

So that is my report.

That's a cool idea.

That's a really cool idea.

Yeah, and and that is a good example of a program that has cultural overtones and partnerships and doesn't cost a huge ton of money.

Um can you commit to bringing to our prioritization meeting a list of uh any costs that would have, including maybe staff time if that's short, something we should bring into account?

Or I'll ask Bill if that's yeah, maybe you should have a bill about that.

But can you commit to bringing something?

I could put together this.

Great.

Something like that when I went to the Latinx um exhibit at the Oakland Museum.

They were displaying uh did you see it as well?

Okay, they were they had on display on one of their TV monitors um the history of like the Chicago movement, um, but all the footage that was collected from all the local artists and all the local people that documented it.

So it was really it was really cool to see because I actually recognized the people in the film that I know that are alive today.

Oh, but it was a lot of old school type of filming, like not a lot of new stuff, but the history of it.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, so that was really awesome.

So that's cool.

Any other commissioner comments, questions about this item?

All right.

Well, we don't need a vote.

So let's move on to item eight, commission reports and announcements.

Item eight a arts endowment committee.

Thank you for now having the members of the committee on this list.

That is very helpful.

Thank you.

Can I have a report from the Arts Endowment Committee?

Let's go to the city council meeting on Monday night.

Yeah, so we're gonna go to the city council meeting on Monday night.

And uh I put together a list of about 10 different cities in the Bay Area that had a percent for art.

Um I sent that to Steven and I sent that to Bill, and it has a link to the specific ordinance, it has a link to you know the info about public art.

If anyone else would be curious to see that, they could forward it.

I actually now that we're talking about it in a post session, I think it would be great if it was if that was just sent to the whole committee.

Okay.

I mean, do we want to wait and see what happens on then there, or should I just I just think if if for everybody to be aware that would you know, we're not asking for something that's like unique to say the end rolls.

Right.

This is an operation in other communities.

I'd like to know who needs it in other cities.

Sure.

Um I can BCC everybody in that brown act this place.

So awesome.

Thank you.

I will do that.

Um, other than that, huh?

I said don't even brown violation.

Well, I mean, we're not talking about an open session, we'll just follow up the code.

Oh, no, I was saying I'll VCC everybody via email, so I won't highlight the rounds.

Yeah.

Conversations via email.

I will do that.

And there were there were more than 10 cities.

I just sort of stopped at 10 because I was tired and I'm busy at work.

So there's lots.

Like we are in the minority, let's just say.

Do you have anything report, Bill?

Just that everybody's received their funding.

Okay.

Have you sent out the email asking for um dates if they have any dates and time scheduled?

No.

It is on my channel.

It's on my list.

So at some point we'll send you a list uh once our grantees have scheduled any particular event times once we have them with the intent of actually putting it up on a calendar.

Um back to my social media because I know we live in a digital world.

Are we have we ever or is it a good idea as you guys think to announce like congratulations to the winners unless I missed it and it's been like put on the social just to kind of reiterate?

Like we do this equal one.

Okay.

Yeah, we can do that.

Yeah, okay.

No problem.

And if you ever want to set up a subcommittee on one of my suggestions, I'm not trying to put one.

It needs to be done.

Okay.

Awesome.

Thank you.

Sure.

Great.

Oh, piggybacking on that.

Is that something that we can share with the Stanley Under Times so it gets coverage even if it's like a little after their fact?

So if I may speak to that.

Of course.

I will do that and work with our PIO, who's excellent at publicity and distributing that.

They they've done all the videos promoting comedy festival of the grant program, just the um announced for the grant program.

So I'll work with them to try to leverage that.

It would also be good timing if we had a specific date for one of the grantees.

You know, here's our grantees, and you know, the first of the the whatever's is coming up on this date, and maybe the other grantees would see them getting promoted and give us dates.

Kind of nudge them.

Yeah, like, hey, you want people to come to your thing?

Sorry, one more comment just about the grants program.

A couple people brought up wanting to, and this has been discussed before, like starting earlier in the year.

Do we have an idea of when that would be or like an aspiration of what would I remember if we wanted to move it up so that we were less close to the fiscal year end, right?

In case we didn't allocate all the money, or yeah, yeah.

That that would the original intent was oops, we didn't spend all our money even though we thought we would, now it's too close to the year end.

So we would need like at least a month earlier, but it's kind of tricky because then that's like end of year holiday season.

I I I get the sense, and I can talk about this since we're still on the on the this item, so we're not just you know hering off.

I get the sense that there's other ways to fix that.

You know, we were talking about plain language, we were talking about um translation into other languages.

Uh Commissioner Albers, you brought that up last year, and I was thinking that if we had a request to translate into other languages and we were poised to do it, if we got the request, we could then pay to translate it into another language.

But we did the big artist survey a couple of years ago, and we had it translated into Chinese and we had it translated into Spanish, and I think maybe those are just the other two, and we had zero responses to one of them and one response to the other one.

I can't remember which was which, but so we spent the money and it didn't actually pay off.

So theoretically, if we had some language in our grant that said, you know, these grant materials are available in other languages, please request, and someone actually requested them.

Like, great, let's pay to do it.

But if not, maybe let's not.

But we could also think of doing another, and I would commit to doing this, is to do almost like a you know, we do our QA and people come in with with specific questions.

We could also do the kind of QA where people bring in or submit their grant materials and we do like a pre-flight check.

Um I would never put that on you to do, so that's why I'm specifically bringing that up with the intent.

I would be willing to do pre-flight checks for grant people, and maybe you folks could commit to like if we all did you know one pre-flight check for people just to check off the list.

Do you have all your materials?

And then they get sent along to Bill.

That would mean we could spend all our money, and then we wouldn't have this problem.

That would mean more people would get grants, and that would mean you know a community response to doing it right, you know, if it turns out we're having problems with this, like we did last year.

So I think there's there's better ways to fix it than moving the whole grant program, which is already so weird and time-bound by all these other things.

I think there's ways we can fix it.

So I think when we talk about the grant priorities, I'd like to talk about not only the amount of money we're putting into it, but what other efforts we might want to put into it, and that might just be like sitting with some folks from our community and going over the grant applications to make sure you know we're helping them do it right, and then Bill's not answering like 16 different emails with like seven different pieces where he needs to make a PDF of some nonsense.

So I I think we can fix it, you guys.

I like those ideas.

All right.

Um let's move on to our second to last item on the agenda.

Commissioner Commons.

Do we have any comments, reports, things of anything that were not on the agenda that you folks would like to bring up?

Steven.

Um I I would just suggest in terms of if there's the college festival next year.

Um perhaps there'd be a little bit more of a time separation between the Cherry Festival and the festival.

I just think it's it it's hard to promote the festival uniquely somewhat soon after the Cherry Festival, because I think people's attention or to try to get the community aware of it after we just put all this time and energy into promoting the Cherry Festival is a bit of a challenge.

And I I don't entirely know why we went to June versus the other time, but I just I just put that out as a consideration because I you know the turnout the library was a little bit lower than before.

Why there may have been different factors, but I think one factor could be it's just hard to communicate to people that this was occurring after to see you spend all this energy promoting the Cherry Festival, and everybody's excited about it, goes to that, and then maybe there's just you know, people aren't thinking about anything else for the while.

All right, thank you.

Any other commissioner comments, questions?

Um I attended a regional conversation hosted by the California Fund for the Arts, the one that you forwarded me on Friday.

Uh it was at in Oakland at a bar called Crybaby.

Um, and basically what it was is uh artists, creatives, culture bearers, arts organizations from across the East Bay, it was focused on the East Bay, basically came together to talk about what's on our minds, what we're trying to do, do capacity building, and I think really primarily just connect with each other.

Um, you know, I don't think anything more specific came out of it other than a mutual awareness of what we're all doing.

I saw multiple people from San Leander there, which was awesome.

Uh the Arts Association and one of our grantees.

Um, but I don't know, I got some business cards, so also when we're thinking about relationships and sponsorships, but also like what are like bigger arts organizations that who could possibly guide us and like help us in the process of setting up an endowment fund and doing development and things like that.

But um, I'm gonna try to stay in contact with them, and if I get more invites to events, I'll forward those out to y'all.

But thank you for sending that to me.

Yeah, thank you so much.

I I just absolutely did it.

I'm out of town.

Hey Alana, you want to go to a thing?

Well, it's also First Friday.

They they move first Friday because of the uh 4th of July holiday.

So it's nice to do that and then see how Oakland does some art and promotes it.

Great, thank you so much.

Any last commissioner comments for going?

Yeah.

All right.

Um I went to the comedy, one of the comedy things I was at one of the bars, which personally just as some feedback, like I'm glad there was comedy at a bar where there's alcohol.

Because some of it was like some of them were hilarious, and some of them were not.

And it's like very helpful to be to watch like bad jokes with alcohol available.

I feel like that actually added a very helpful aspect to it.

So I I would fully would support that 21st amendment being a future venue if if we're able to do the uh the three-day thing next year.

Nice.

I was gonna if uh if I may add to that.

Oh no.

One of the interesting things doing because I went to all of those prizes and all three shows.

And I won't name names because there was one comedian out of the 15 that were that we had who stood out, and he was one of the least expensive.

He was absolutely hilarious.

So it was fascinating to me.

You get these names, right?

And and it all sounds well and good because they have this recognition, and this is an up and coming, and he was they just he had the audience and the palm of his hand, and it was hilarious.

And he was because I know what we paid over by everybody.

I was thinking that was a lot of bang for the butt.

No, there's no actually this was at the ball.

I think they served they did serve alcohol.

Yeah, so I'll let you guess you were you were there, so I still have to guess.

Okay.

I think I know.

I can't remember anything I can remember.

Yeah.

Fantastic.

Well, I'm glad you guys went to that.

Um, then I'm going to go to item number nine, adjournment.

Do I have a motion to adjourn the meeting of July 15, 2025?

I move to adjourn.

Do I hear a second?

Second.

Any discussion?

All those in favor?

Okay.

Any opposed?

All right.

Motion carries.

The meeting of July 15th, 2025 is adjourned at 7 56 p.m.

Thank you for coming.

This is a long one.