For the clerk's benefit, all our regular members are present.

Absent is our youth representative Casey.

Also actually amend that.

I got noticed yesterday that Victor Shaza, who was the mayor's appointee, has resigned for personal reasons.

I think some things he just didn't anticipate when he accepted these offer.

So hopefully the mayor will find somebody else soon.

Under announcements, um I'm going to make a statement, but first I just want to, for those who may be curious why you know the ABC TV news stories are not on our agenda.

Um part it's because uh even if we're on the agenda, the city can't address it because they're considered confidential personnel matters.

Um it's been out there in public, that doesn't the city still has responsibly to protect confidentiality.

So we're abiding by that.

However, I do want to make a personal statement.

Um I'm choosing to speak on the matter as an individual member of the CPRB representing the community.

My remarks do not speak to the CPRB as a whole, but I believe they are consistent with the CMP.

CPRB's mission to promote transparency, accountability, and community trust.

Like others, I've heard from in the community, I'm appalled by the treatment of the homeless person Shaquille Coleman in December of 24.

We in the community are right to be embarrassed for our city and to reject the conduct as contrary to our values.

My understanding though is that once that this incident was brought to the attention of the chief, it was thoroughly investigated, including a review by the independent police auditor, and corrective action was taken against the officers involved.

Apparently, that wasn't good enough for some.

So my questions and concerns focus on the leaks to the press.

Number one, why now?

That story broken.

Uh we can March 30th, 15 minutes, 15 months after the Coleman incident.

Number two, what's the motive?

Number three, who benefits.

But let me say, in my view, it is certainly not the community.

I'll refrain from commenting much further on what I see as sensationalist journalism, other than to note that these questions apparently were of no interest to that reporter.

To me, this appears to be very similar to the playbook used by certain members of the BOA police officers association in its campaign to undermine and remove Chief Abdul Friggin, our first black chief.

And as we know, that led to lawsuits for both uh from both Chief Frigent and former city manager Fran Romostelli and caused immense turmoil on our city council.

My concerns and fears are that these recent leaks are intended and calculated to achieve the same results with our first black female chief, Angela Everett.

I am especially concerned about the common link between the two otherwise unrelated incidents reported by ABC News.

Uh Lieutenant Turner, a black female officer who Chief Frident tried to hire, the POA opposed, and Chief Averett later hired.

Some may regard these leaks as legitimate whistleblower complaint that deserves protection.

But my lame understanding of whistleblower protections is that that only applies if A, the leaker is acting in good faith to report illegal conduct, B, the information leaked is not in violation of security or confidentiality, and three, that the leak leaker first used other available avenues for redress.

If Lieutenant Turner and Chief Averett were the targets of these specific leaks, and the leaks happened after the police department properly investigated and investigated the allegations, why proceed to leak the information?

That does not sound like good faith to me, nor does it seem to be an exhaustion of other procedural options available before going public.

The leak of body word camera video of the Coleman incident on its face jeopardizes the confidentiality protections due to the officers involved in the incident.

To me, those officers are collateral damage on what appears to be an effort to target Lieutenant Turner's handling of the situation of the seat.

And regarding the Chiefs alleged hit and run out of incident.

I've seen the California Highway control back before with its multiple photos of the side of the mirrors of both vehicles.

The damage to both was so minor that the CHP report states that they found credible the chief's account that she did not hear any contact at the time.

Which perhaps makes the dramatic account by the driver of the other vehicle in front of TV here, which is somewhat suspect to close.

I do not wish to trivialize concerns about what was reported by ABC News.

But I had serious concerns about the motives and propriety of the leaks on their face.

They seem to be irresponsible for self-serving.

We'll do an immeasurable harm to the reputation of the city.

I'll leave it to others to reach their own conclusions about whether race and gender are factors.

Lastly, let me say I feel it's important to put this awful city news in perspective.

I hope that raising questions about these leaks now can help bring a stop to such practices that could be so judgmental to our community and which compromise the work of the CPRB to build trust between the community and the police.

Thank you.

Actually, we have more folks from the public than usual.

If there's no objection to the rest of the uh Lord, I'd like to change the order and do the um public comment.

Um next before we do with the right to work.

Any objections on that?

Okay.

So we have some cards.

Yes, we do speed in time cut.

You'll have two minutes on the clock.

Everyone hear me?

Okay.

Good evening, thank you all for the opportunity to speak.

I'm Stephen Tao, tenure resident of City St.

Leandro, homeowner, attracting advocate, and organizer here.

I'm here to speak about Shaquille Coleman incident from December 2024.

I share some of the similar concerns that were expressed by Chair Press and uh Bob Bailey.

Why now?

I know there's been conflict between the POA and the chief and our some of our future former chiefs as well, and so I understand that those uh bad cops are trying to destroy a lot of our good cops.

However, to respect to our good cops, if our good cops want to differentiate themselves from the bad cops, they need to stop acting like bad cops.

Kill Coleman was kidnapped, he was assaulted, he was dumped in Oakland.

This is not the behavior of an ethical police department, and this keeps happening.

It's not only a moral issue to brutalize a man who was not arrested for any crime, who was not taken for any medical treatment of any kind, dumped in another city to make it another city's problem, which we always complain about here in San Leandro about how many people in Oakland come over to here and we have to deal with them when they come down the house from John George.

And now we're doing the exact same thing, but it's also a financial issue.

I've seen the consurance and litigation records from my CPR requests for the city.

It costs on average for the last 10 years out of the records, average 100,000 a month in litigation services, insurance claims, misconduct settlements.

It costs the city so much money to continue to act this immoral and unethical way.

It does not improve public safety, it does not get a trust and confidence in the police force, it does not save our city money, and for note, our city has a budget crisis that's coming up.

SLPD is not paying its fair share of that budget crisis based on what I've seen from uh city council on the finance reports and the financial projections.

Um, this does not help that situation, especially because SLPD says they need to get a new dispatch system that's going to cost what three million dollars, and now we're having more litigation settlements, more lawsuits.

Mr.

Coleman, who did speak to ABC News recently today, um, has mentioned that he's going to explore lawsuits.

That's another lawsuit that he's gonna have to deal with.

But again, we have police officers in our department who are getting away with kidnap and assault, and those are supposed to be the good cops that are opposed to the POA bad cops who have been taxed.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Um Douglas.

He doesn't need a last name, apparently.

No, no, that's unneeded.

Or you can just call me swallow me.

Uh well, not sound like a broken record, but I also like to speak on this uh this matter.

I I think that the hand noise reports are unfortunate.

Um, for many of the reasons that uh that Bob Bailey stated.

Um, but you know, it just kind of puts another hole in the tub of trust.

And it it is uh degrading to us to our city, and it's it's uh disappointing that it happened.

Uh of course it was lumped with the whole um uh moving vehicle incident.

I you know, to me that's an insurance matter.

Like I I have no idea why the city needs to be tarred with that, but but the abhorrent um treatment of uh the unhoused um individual Mr.

Coleman.

It's just it's not acceptable.

It's and it's such a you know uh a an echo of the past.

So so I'm curious to know, like, okay, so what what training is going on now to make sure that doesn't happen.

And while I understand it's a personnel matter, I think it's unfortunate that there was no public acknowledgement that's happened.

That can happen.

There could be a the city can make a statement, the the chief can make a statement, the department make a statement, the city manager can make a statement.

You don't have to name individual employees, but you can say this happened that corrective actions were taken, and we're moving on from there.

And uh and it did, and there was no acknowledgement, and so now we're we're dealing with that.

Um I'm gonna name names.

The source of these stories is Michael Oliveira, uh former long-term president of the the the uh San Leandro POA, uh, and um you know, a central figure in in um in uh attacking former Chief Bridge and so I I also uh share the concerns, and I hope that there is some consequence for him.

But like maybe we should find out why he did the leak.

It's not a leak, he just let it out.

Uh Chris Burbank's like good evening.

First, I'd like to acknowledge the albumy people whose territory now we occupy here, called Akeem.

I come here today in a good way to offer my prayers to our police department, to you people, our community that are here working for us citizen.

I am a 40-year resident of the city of San Leandro.

I have seen the police force from 40 years ago to now, and I've seen the progress that it has made, and now I feel that there's a decline going back.

And I do feel that it has to do with racism.

I'm sorry, but Michael Reigns is the attorney that was speaking on that newscast.

He represents probably over 75% of the police cases that go against the citizens.

Okay, so we need to make sure that we protect our police chief at this time.

All of this other stuff going on is really not good medicine.

We need to bring our city back to where it was.

We need to show our kids that this is not acceptable, and that all of us continue to walk in a good way.

And I know you guys are here right here, you two police officers, so I know you're working, but I sure hope that you're paying attention to all of us because right now I don't feel that you are, you're just calculating.

Uh-oh, thank you.

Karina Lamar.

Thank you.

Um I wanted to raise here, in addition to the items that folks are all going to be speaking about tonight, is that in the February CPRP meeting, um, if some substantiated complaints are brought brought up, including one about um a police officer who had falsified records.

And uh I had hoped to hear some more follow-up about that, what will happen or what has happened about cases like that where there's uh a substantiated complaint that an officer falsified records because that seems like a really a thing that kind of cuts to the core of these issues of mistrust.

Thank you.

Okay, and I last call any other okay.

Um thank you.

Um I actually want to acknowledge we received uh a uh public comment that all the board members should have received um from uh individual named Benjamin Rowe.

Um complaining about uh so hopefully you've all seen it.

Um I just want to acknowledge because it is public comment, it's about um not having any faith in fluck and things that we should um find our own way, another alternative way to use um license flavor cameras.

Um so um and um you can bring this up at the end if you want to do board member comments, but you know, in order for this to be agenda for further discussion near the end of which are you to say so we can put it on the future agenda.

So unless you want to make that decision right now.

We'll do it at the end, like we usually do.

Okay.

Um thank you for that.

Um now we're at the consent calendar, um, which are the minutes from that March 18th last meeting.

Hopefully, if we look at those, are there any corrections or omissions that you want to make?

Seeing none, um accepted minutes.

But second, um gives us the make the motion, uh member Chang uh seconds if all those in favor.

Are you uh sorry, I was trying to quickly caught up aye.

Okay, okay.

Just checking.

Um it looks like that's what six zero.

Um so now we're at the city staff reports, and the first item is the police departments report.

Um that be you're some chief tourist or I believe the tree.

Uh I'm online.

Can you guys hear me now?

I can yeah, we can't see you, but can hear you?

Oh, there you are.

Oh, oh, okay.

Um, good evening, Angela Abert Police Chief.

Um, thank you so much.

Um, I have a couple of updates that I would like to share.

Uh, the standard updates, and then I have a couple of statements that I would also like to make.

Um, as it relates to our hiring efforts, um, we have uh some lateral police officers, um, three that are in the background process, one that we uh withdrew to take a job offer at a different agency, and we hired one lateral officer that is starting on May the 1st.

For our police officer recruits, we have uh one person starting the academy in June, and five um individuals currently in different phases of the background process.

Um great news we have uh four individuals in the Contra Costa County Sheriff's Academy or slated to graduate on July the 10th, and then we have two in the Alameda County Sheriff's Office Academy, one that will graduate on May 11th, and another one that will graduate on August 24th.

Um I also wanted to make a comment about an email that I received from Chair Bailey.

Um I don't have the date of the email, but there were several uh several questions posed about um different policies that we've been working on specifically our um de-escalation and use of force policy, um, and our pursuit policy.

Um there are questions about the crowd control, uh, First Amendment assembly policies.

Um, and what I wanted to say is that uh we've recently had some personal uh changes in key areas, and one area is our policy update, um, our professional standard, and um, I just asked for some additional patients as that new lieutenant uh kind of finds a spot in this position.

But uh the biggest reason why there have been so many delays as far as us updating and posting these policies, the current policies online, is because we were informed by Lexapol that there have been some legislative law changes that were made, and that uh because of this, our version of the policy was not compatible compatible with the new policy version that Lexapoll um sent to us, and so that kind of set us back a little bit, and we are actively working very hard to update our policies.

Obviously, this is a priority for us because we want to make sure that the public knows exactly what our policy state.

We also want to make sure our officers are very clear on what our policies state, and so although I don't have um an actual date for when these items will be um uploaded.

Um, I just wanted to reassure Chair Bailey and the CPRB that we are we are working to uh make sure that our policy is compatible with state law um and that um we incorporate any changes that were were made through recommendations of the CPRB and the IPA's office.

Um also there was a question about AI report ready.

Um we do have a policy is um a electible policy that we have not rolled out to the organization yet because we are doing reviews of it, and I will share that policy uh through our regular uh policy review process.

Um once we've had a um a chance to to look and see how we need to modify the policy.

So we are in compliance with the law, we just have not uh published that policy just yet.

Um I wanted to now provide the public with the full statement that was provided to um channel seven's Dan Noise in regards to the recent um stories that that he aired on Channel 7.

The City of San Leandro takes seriously all complaints involving the city and others within its purviews, such as its personnel, contractors, and elected officials.

As a demonstration of that commitment, the city investigated complaints related to the chief of police and a separate use of force incident with respect to the chief of police.

The California Highway Control investigated the complaints against the chief.

In addition, the city conducted its own independent third party, third party administrative investigation.

Those investigations are now complete.

The city recently received an inquiry about a December 30th, 2024 call for service that involved a use of force.

That inquiry also requested information on personnel actions.

Based on an internal referral, the police department chose to investigate matters related to the December 30th, 2024 call for service.

After being briefed on the referral, Chief Averett took immediate action and initiated an independent third-party investigation in alignment with department policies.

Throughout the investigation and per standard practice, the department created an ethical wall to separate involvement of staff, whereby participation by those staff in an investigation involving a superior officer or a counterpart would be inappropriate.

After the investigation, the city's independent police auditor also reviewed the matter.

Investigations of sworn personnel matters are conducted in a manner that protects the rights of all involved parties under the provisions of the California Peace Officer Bill of Rights Act and on a need to know, right to know basis.

The investigation determined that certain San Diego personnel violated department policies.

These actions did not meet the standards of conduct and professionalism our police department expects of all its members.

While we cannot discuss personnel matters, the department took corrective action to address the violations of departmental policies.

Chief Averett and the department remained committed to accountability and to serving the community with the highest standards of integrity and professionalism.

That was verbatim, the statement that was provided to Dan Noise.

Although he chose to piecemeal it out and not provide the full statement, it was important for me to read to the community the full statement that was provided to him.

Now I would like to give a short statement of my own.

Two years ago, I made a promise to this city to bring accountability and integrity to this department and to ensure that the many committed professionals already serving this community with honor and quality service, are supported, respected, and held to a standard that they could be proud of.

And I intend to keep that promise.

No matter the resistance, no matter the noise, and even as I navigate baseless public or behind the scenes attempts to discredit or derail these reforms.

Absolutely.

Is the pushback distracting?

Yes, it is.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Um anything else from the police department.

Yes, sir.

I do have one more announcement.

Okay.

On April April 26th, uh, from one to 2 30 p.m.

Uh, we're gonna be conducting actually back up a little bit.

Uh several months ago, we uh contracted out to Meloria Public Safety Consultant for an organizational assessment on the police department, and part of that organizational assessment is a setup of several different focus groups, one of which is a community focus group.

to 2 30 p.m.

Uh, it's gonna be an opportunity to have members of the community to share their experiences, perspectives, and feedback on how police services are delivered in our community.

Uh we'll be pushing this out.

Uh there are social media uh platforms uh tomorrow morning, and uh and via Nixel as well.

And so who's actually gonna be facilitating the meeting?

Uh it'll be the consulting group.

Okay.

Who are they?

Uh Malayria.

Willauria?

Yes.

Meloria consultant group.

Public safety consulting.

Is this like a sorry?

Can you say the time?

I know you said you can push it on a meeting.

Yeah, it'll be on April 26th, it'll be on a Sunday.

Okay.

From 1 p.m.

to 2 30 p.m.

And it'll be in this room here.

So it's like a community.

Yes.

Okay.

But it's part of a larger organizational assessment.

Yes.

Okay.

Correct.

Thank you.

I was curious.

Is this the scope of this?

Is this we're trying to remember the what's the name of the study that was done before the uh matrix?

Matrix that we say.

So is this a redo of that or is it a good idea?

No, so this will be a completely just an overall uh look into the organization, how we can uh work better, and also uh also looking at potential uh efficiencies as well within the organization.

And is that the only one that's gonna be held?

Yes, yeah.

Like every uh for this study, yes.

Okay, what day of the week is it?

It's a Sunday.

It's a Sunday that 26th, right?

So yes, who does that?

So you guys will be uh well we so the police department will not be involved in that, it'll be strictly for the community.

Okay, here's the thing.

Uh well, we'll yeah, okay.

Um certainly of interest, but first of all, yeah.

Um I like to say some.

I have a question.

Share that.

There's been times when some of us haven't been available because of work travel, and we haven't been allowed to participate on the Zoom link.

So my question to the city again is why is it no disrespect to the chief and thank you, Chief, for your commitment to this community.

Um, why is it that the CPRB is the only entity that participates in this realm not allowed to be on Zoom like everyone else?

Could it uh thank you, Vice Chair Kids, appreciate the question uh regarding uh hybrid meetings.

I presume you're talking about the this the structure of our monthly meetings for CPRB specifically, or you're talking about the specific for the Sunday April 26th.

No, I'm talking about this meeting where you should come up for the record.

Yeah, I'm talking about this meeting where others are allowed to be on by Zoom and we are not when we can't make it in the ordinance says if we miss so many meetings, then you know we'll be removed.

Sure.

Thank you for the clarification.

I appreciate that it's helpful for staff to respond, and I can take a uh address this question.

So just to be to clear, no, this this pair commission is treated the same as all the other commissions.

We have, I believe we have approximately 10 boards and commissions here in the city of San Leandro, none of which offer hybrid meetings.

And the reason for that is it function as a combination of factors, but one of them is staff and capacity issue and the ability to manage a Zoom along with the staff time.

This commission, what is different about this commission is this commission actually has more greater staffing commands, greater staff resources and funding and other elements that are provided, resources that are provided to this board that are above and beyond what any other boarding commission gets, with perhaps the exception of the planning commission.

For example, virtually every other, maybe eight out of the ten commissions, they only have one staff member to support the meeting.

So that person is the both the staff secretary, record keeper, agenda preparer, note taker, and all the other things that create all the grave that are associated with running a meeting.

Unlike those other commissions, we have not only myself as a staff secretary, we have an assigned attorney from the city attorney's office, as well as staff members from the police department, as well as a member of the city clerk's team, which is again eight atypical.

So this board actually has far more resources than really any other board of commission already.

And the reason the challenges is that if we were to allow hybrid meetings for this board, then we would open the door.

Why don't the other eight eight boards and commissions get those or nine others get those hybrid options?

And the reason is because it's not possible for those other boards and commissions that have only one staff member to simultaneously clerk the meeting, prepare the agenda, take the notes, and manage the meeting and administrative associated with that while concurrently managing a Zoom.

The other challenges and what's different is what we have staff members, such as our IPA team, and in this instance, we've had our chief of police on the hybrid option.

Those are staff members who are not subject to the same Brown Act requirements that are applicable to appointed board members of this commission.

And the challenge is when you have an actual member of the commission, not the staff, but the actual appointed commissioner member, such as these the board members, when you attend from a remote location, there are very specific rules and regulations that are codified by state law part of the Brown Act that mandate noticing requirements, a posting of a physical notification of the location off-site location would be confirmation that there'll be an opportunity for members of the public to join you at that location, have that posted and have that published ahead of time.

And so the totality of those circumstances make it simply not possible.

And so it's been long-standing recurring practice here since the pandemic when hybrid meetings even came to exist that the city simply does not have the capacity to offer hybrid meetings for the board members to attend, and moreover, that's why that is also disclosed ahead of time when members are you know when opportunities for board members to join commissions that is made clear from the outset that the meetings are not a hybrid option, and that the only option if one wants to serve on the commission is to attend in person along with the associated attendance requirements.

So I hope that addressed the question, but I'm happy to provide more context or answer personal questions.

Yes, but I see I'm sorry.

Sure.

I appreciate the question.

Um squeaky will and all.

Um my question is about April 26th.

Is that all in person, or is there some sort of hybrid option for that focus group?

So my understanding it's all in it's gonna be in person.

Uh they're gonna it'll be similar to the way I pictured as a council retreat where there'll be individual conversations occurring.

Uh there'll be some flip charts, and uh so uh that's primarily why it's going to be in in-person.

I can certainly reach out to the group to see if there is an opportunity to do uh a Zoom option, and I can report back to the uh uh to the board.

Okay, it could give an opportunity for more community participation if that were to be an option.

Thank you.

Thank you for that.

Kate back to you.

Yeah, I just want to make clear I what I'm I've never asked for a hybrid.

I is only the outlier is when some of us have to travel and can't be there in this few and far between if there was an opportunity for us to join via Zoom.

Um yeah, I mean that was the comment I was gonna make is we're not asking for considering quote hybrid, we've heard already the reasons why that's not done.

Um it was because we as a matter of team see people plugged in, you know, um like the IPA staff.

Um it certainly didn't seem like a technology barrier for for us, and honestly, the most compelling thing I've heard you say here, Eric, and this there's a lot of words there, but um, was that uh the complications of how yet need to post with somebody who's joining your meeting that's a board member remotely?

I get that part.

Um suggest that I don't know if there's a solution or not, and whether there is any flexibility by the city, but we already have in our work plan to take up uh revisit our administrative procedures in September.

There's certain things that need to be updated there to begin with, and then issues like this, or you know, how do we handle an emergency identity couple of three meetings?

That sort of thing, we could address at least my intention is we would bring that up again then so forward.

So anyway, um, thank you.

I'm just gonna have that noted, thank you.

Um, I think we're to the IPA's report.

Sorry, Jeff.

Uh what I want to do is just uh make a brief statement uh that what we are doing just to reiterate what I think everyone knows, and that is that um the work that we do encompasses a review of every uh pursuit, every use of force and every complaint that is lodged uh in Stanley Andrew, and we report on that on a monthly basis.

I think that uh everyone knows uh that we have changed our report, and in fact that we report uh is included in your materials, and uh Denise will be giving that report shortly.

Um but with regard to the incidents which have been raised, uh they have come to our attention in the ordinary course of business.

We do not do first party investigations, but we uh look at the investigations which are done in order to uh provide assurance that they are done appropriately, that they are complete, that they are fair, that they are unbiased.

So uh I think just in the context of this meeting, it is important to reiterate that that is the work that we do, and that is the work behind the report, which uh Denise will now uh talk about.

Good evening, board.

Um thank you.

So you should have it in your packet.

Um again, we what we don't want to do is talk slide to slide.

So I will just quickly remind you of what's in here because the expectation is that you will have already reviewed this, um, or you can review it when you when you can.

So the first slide just goes over what what's in this report.

Um, again, the the first the next three slides cover use of force incidents.

Sorry, backing up.

We added the slide of the monthly activity report, which was a new item that lists the calls for service, so it's the police activity, number of calls for service compared one month to the other, whether that was increased or decreased.

We also have citations, arrests, the incidents that we review, those focus categories, and then RIPA and flock information.

The next three slides cover use of force data, so that's gonna tell you how many occurred this month, and we provide the timeline of those incidents.

The next slide shows the incidents that were sent to us, and again, the same kind of timeline, it shows the date that it came to us, what date it occurred, um, and then the slide after will show how the the review time of our review, so how many we reviewed and when that how long that occurred.

Um, it also tells you whether there was any AUCAs, if you remember that agreed upon course of action.

The fourth slide covers those office, it gives you just a general summary of the types of uh agreed upon course of action that we took in relation to the use of force we reviewed.

So, again, and the slides after that are gonna tell you those same items, the number of pursuits that occurred were reviewed by the department, reviewed by us, and any agreed-upon course of action that were needed out of those reviewed pursuits, and the same for complaints.

How many complaints were uh lodged or received by the department?

And you can see in this case there was one reviewed by us, or sorry, one review that department, and three that had been reviewed by us that were in that pipeline, and there were no um AFAs with related to complaints.

The last two slides give you the breakdown of the RIPA data for the month as compared to the prior month, and the flock activity summary.

Yeah, we typically include a flock highlights, and we didn't get those in this report, so you don't have that that happens to be blank.

And if the department has them, um they can comment on that.

But for for this month, we didn't get any flock highlights in there.

So that's that's our report.

I'm not going to go into detail on it, but I'm happy to answer any specific questions if you have them.

Kim, um can we pull up the slide that has the is it the complaints that were listed?

Just so we can read it to extend.

Um I think it was the next one.

For December or January.

So Chair Bailey, I'm not sure which slide you agree to, and I apologize for these not being numbered, they will be numbered in the future, the page numbers that will help.

Okay.

So maybe just give it a maybe you can give me the title because I can't see what you all are seeing when I look at it in front of me.

The listing of the 17 complaints received in 2025.

I so we went over this last time for those with the remember.

Um, the reason the reason this is um uh an annual report and not a monthly one is that you can see there are very few incidents in the course of the year.

Uh, it would be pretty easy to put two and two together and figure out who the individual officer was if we were reporting it as uh monthly.

So that's why you'd see this form.

Correct me if I've got that wrong, Denise, but that's um where we are right now.

Sure, I'm not it it's I'm not sure what exactly what you're looking at, but we are reporting on these monthly, uh, although anonymizing them uh to the greatest extent possible and necessary under state law.

So in your monthly report package, which you should have uh the complaints for the month are in fact included.

No, I'm looking at the one that we said this was the complaints received in 2025, so it was in the annual.

Oh, okay.

So that's the annual report.

Right.

So that's not changing.

Right.

And was that included in this in this month's materials and this meeting's materials?

Looking at last month, I would say, are we?

I can't see the screen, unfortunately, but we definitely did not have that item for this month's materials, which was an annual uh report of complaints of the whole year.

In this month, I have to do what I just covered with this month's report, which covers March data.

Okay, that's what I have compared to the month before, which would be February.

Yes, I shouldn't.

Yeah, that that's yeah, that's the annual so we need to pull many pullbones up so people can take a quick look at them.

But what would be what we had been seeing was last year.

Yeah, what's in the agenda has graphics and that's what I'm asking for.

I could try to share my screen.

Well, that's a report.

Exactly.

Um we won't be reporting that level of detail on a monthly basis, though.

We will report that out.

Well, I think we figured out every year, but I think we figured out why we were looking at stuff from last time.

Sorry.

Here we go.

Yeah, that's okay.

Okay, that's better.

So if you could just walk us through what we're looking at, and um, and if anybody has any comment or uh honestly, if there if there's anything that you think ought to be highlighted out of that would be helpful for us.

Um if you could just walk us through I think they cut off the same there she is okay.

There's oh, and now we have a screen.

There we go.

Okay, is there I we can see the screen?

There we go.

Now it's this yeah, and I think you just explained.

Make sure it is yep.

So this is your report that should be in your materials.

I hope it is.

It's the March report.

Yes.

And let me ask Chair, is it is it not possible for the group to review this beforehand?

Because I think going through each one of these slides is not a good use of time.

The the numbers speak for themselves.

We could certainly give you highlights, but uh we would actually prefer any questions that you might have with respect to this information.

Fair enough.

Um just that this is the first time we've seen the report in this form, so just one of people that I totally agree that people should be coming to the meeting having done their homework and looked at it for paired with questions, and we will do that.

But um anyway, is there anything you want to highlight?

Yeah, let me just go through the general organization of this, and and that is again we are reviewing uh you this is of course we were reviewing pursuits and we were reviewing complaints.

So we have three categories of reviews, in addition to that, we are doing a flock audit every month, and we are looking at the RIPA data every every month, and all of that is what is uh contained in this rather lengthy reports, which we're doing in order to try to give the community and the board the best view of what's going on in their police department as we possibly can.

So, with respect to uses of force pursuits and complaints, uh, there are three segments.

One is um in each category, those incidents that have occurred this month.

The next category for each is those incidents which have been reviewed by the department and sent to the IPA, and then the third category for each is those incidents which have that been reviewed by the IPA, and whether or not there are three courses of action relative to any of those incidents, and again, agreed courses of action, agreed upon courses of action or AUKAs arise when there is some something, whether it be a training volume or otherwise that comes up in a case that is not addressed by the supervisory reviews of that case.

Uh, if something is previously addressed in this improvisory reviews, it does not show as an AUCA.

Okay, um and just as a just a highlight this is March data.

Last month we gave you January and February in this format.

Right.

So you should have the entire year going forward.

Awesome.

Okay.

Um I appreciate the detail of that, and I would just encourage board members to you know, they pull stuff up and take a look at it, and any questions are gonna have to bring it for the meeting.

Um this is the level of kind of transparency we were seeking to get more regular information.

So let's do our side of the deal and do it over.

No, I was gonna ask Jeff, do you want the questions before we get here?

Because I read that that would be helpful.

Sure.

Uh but we can take the MAD hockey as well.

Okay, because I do read stuff.

Great.

Appreciate that.

And again, what we're trying to do is just give you all the best view into all this that we possibly can with the constraints that are imposed by by state law.

So um got a question.

And sure, happy to answer the question.

I didn't mean to cut you off, I'm sorry.

No, that's okay, none at all.

Okay, I appreciate also the report um and the additional details.

And my question is, and I guess in particular for use of force, there are some uh there's a seems to be like gaps in like when the incident occurred versus when it gets to the IPA, and some of them seem to be pretty big gatewise, and I was curious what accounts for those differences in the wait time or versus when it's um when the incident occurred.

Yeah, so I'll I'll let AC Torres uh comment on that uh in a moment, but it it is a function of uh when it winds its way through this system, and I know that there were some issues uh with respect to a period of time, and again, I'll let the AC tourists address that.

Yeah, we had a if you remember with our pursuits, we had a backlog of a pursuits of the review piece of it, um, and those finally made its way to the IPA similar with the uh with the use of force piece.

Um, but uh as far as any other use of forces, they're all we're completely caught up on those.

I think our uh backlog date maybe or probably the two months on some instances.

Um, and a lot of it has to do with uh back and forth between supervisor um and one of the captains.

Uh so the turnaround time is getting a lot a lot quicker now.

And one thing that we failed to mention at our uh department announcements is that we recently promoted a new captain, so now we have two captains, and that's Captain Big Tank was sitting to my to my left here.

So that's going to add additional help and that uh oversight review piece when it comes to the uh use force pursuits.

Thank you.

And just one addition there.

I think that this report um will keep everybody on their toes with respect to uh timeliness of moving uh each of those type of incidents through the pipeline.

So we think it will serve that purpose as well.

Thank you.

Probably the next uh Jeff and Denise can write my wrong, but my guess is the next month or two, we'll still have some of those that are that are with you currently that'll pop up in the next uh in the next month's report.

Yep, yeah, yeah.

One of the things you you might see is if you look at the again.

I start I apologize for not having page numbers, but the use of ports that are sent to us is obviously pretty long, the ones we were doing pretty long, but it those are gonna get smaller and smaller as we get that that backlog that was that was stuck in the system, we get those caught up, and the number of days to review should be smaller finally.

The very first one you could see it occurred on the 21st, it was sent to us on the 30th, so not long after.

It's only nine days.

So that's that's very reasonable.

Nice to see.

I think Jeff, we talked about two weeks about ish being reasonable.

So these numbers you should see these decrease and the number of days decrease.

So if you don't, you should call us on it.

And by the way, we had anonymized the case numbers and all of these.

Um, but the anonymized number remains the same as it winds its way through the system.

So you can go back to a prior report and see when it when it occurred and uh those numbers are consistent um throughout okay.

Um thank you for that.

Um so that if I heard correctly, you um maybe I'm stretching what I'm hearing, but a desirable target would be to have the reviews more within like two weeks than two months.

Is that what Eric?

Yes, okay.

Thank you.

Um any other comments on that or questions?

So we're all gonna come with our questions for the next meeting.

All right.

Ahead of time.

Well, and ahead of time if you I mean um I guess the thing to do would be to just send it through you or just directly to uh to yeah, I would recommend individually.

I would recommend uh individually sending it directly to the IPA to avoid any potential product violation communication between the board.

Thank you.

Okay, um and hopefully all the outer each uh the IPA.

Isn't there a yeah we'll we'll make sure we'll send out a uh an email with our contact information.

Okay, cool.

Great.

Um thank you.

Um then I think we can move on to the next item if we have uh and that is the did you have any report as secretary?

Uh very minor, just wanted to thank um board member Chang for uh collaboration.

I know she has an update as well regarding um upcoming outreach events, including the the chart the farmers market, and we're completing related paperwork and working with them to align to ensure that you all have a slot.

I'll do that when I'll do that later when we're gonna use my report there.

Which is good segue.

Um so the next item was just uh our hot committee reports just to see where we are.

Um you've got three um uh you know ad hoc committees at the moment, one for uh committee outreach, which we'll hear from Benny on.

The other is crowd control and pursuits.

Um as you heard from the chief, like there's no news of the number on the crowd control or pursuits because we're still waiting to get uh uh more information from the from the the carpet, and hopefully that'll come soon.

So and terms of unless you have any else and then uh why don't you close it on the community outreach?

Okay, so we so regarding our um farmers market outreach.

It gets really crowded.

So I did talk to the farmers market coordinator Peggy.

I have us technically reserved for uh Wednesday, September 16th.

Um so that's um the the day uh because it gets really really crowded.

So she and I decided we'll about 9016.

Um and Eric one thank you for taking care of the forms that she wanted.

So that's what I want to say.

Okay, uh board meeting.

No, no, no, no.

Septune 16th, 16th.

Is it 1612?

Oh, excuse us.

If it's not I can change the date, but I'll try to board meeting.

Yeah, is it September 16th?

Yeah, it's not there.

Oh, okay.

Okay, well, what's in I'll see if I can change it.

Hopefully, we can still we can still get something.

So um, so yeah, so could we continue?

I think we got a little time to get out of here.

Yeah, yeah.

I I sorry, my man.

Yeah.

Did the form of market already start?

Because April.

Yes, it started.

It started right now.

It started April 1st.

Okay.

And so I guess the we're talking September because everything's worked already.

Well, no, but I thought that was when we wanted to start doing out.

I can try other than I just need you guys like to let me know certain possible data.

We can do it.

And I can work with her.

I'll try.

It does go up fast, so yeah.

Um personally, I would I would hope that we could, I think we did two or three last year.

Okay.

That would be great.

Also, you want me to email her and ask her like something.

We can call people.

Um May, June, July.

Yeah.

It sounds like I'm not sure about it for the check.

It sounds like May might be booked up, but I will double check with her.

Yeah, I mean, just what's what's available, right?

Okay.

I think that'll help.

Um and uh I assume we're gonna have a booth at the uh cherry festival, right?

Uh yes, thanks for the question.

Yes, we're coordinating accordingly, similar setup to last year, although I'm sure I'm working to make sure we have sun sufficient sun protection and the tables are set up and all that lessons learned from last year, and those those lessons have been delivered to the coordinators.

So just to say, since we were seeing possibly we want to do the bombers market on June, maybe not June since we have to do Cherry Festival, just something to consider.

Yeah, I agree.

Okay.

Thank you.

Look forward to the hearing board.

Thank you.

Okay.

All right.

So I think that's we're now at um our loan action item, which is the annual review of the uh police department AB481 military equipment funding acquisition and use policy inventory and use report for those of not familiar.

This is something that's required by state law.

Um where the uh police departments have to produce uh a report on any changes in their inventory of the so-called military equipment, and there were like 17 categories of that.

Um they have to um reported how uh those military equipment was deployed and used.

Um and then if they're planning for uh making any additional purchases, um the idea is that uh when this policy first was put in place, that law also requires a public meeting.

Um chance to ask questions about um military equipment issue, and um and then we were designated as that place.

So this is the community's opportunity each year to uh give feedback on or ask questions about the military equipment report.

Um so without further ado, I will turn that over to Chief Torres.

Thank you, uh Chair Bailey.

And I had 17 slides, and you covered about nine of them right there in terms of I'm getting better.

Uh good evening, Chair, board members and members of the community.

As many of you know, my name is Luis Torres, I'm assistant police chief here.

Uh tonight I'll be presenting our uh 2025 annual report on the use of our military equipment.

Uh next slide, please.

As uh the chair mentioned, this report outlines our inventory, how we use the equipment, and our compliance with state law.

I'll start with a brief overview of Assembly Bill 41, then walk through how military equipment is defined.

From there I'll cover our inventory, how the equipment was used in 2025 and close with any community concerns and uh policy compliance and I'll I'll go ahead and throw it out there now.

Um we didn't get any uh any complaints uh regarding our our uh equipment or its usage, and uh there were no policy violations as a result of the usage.

Next slide, please.

As uh Chair mentioned, uh this law was enacted in 2021 uh to increase the transparency and oversight around certain types of law enforcement equipment.

It requires our city council approval for acquisition and continued use of such equipment, and it mandates another report like this one covering usage concerns and any policy violations.

And as the chair mentioned, uh our very first year our community meeting uh was done at a council meeting.

Um over the years as we we present it to uh um to the board.

Uh we made the uh the change to make the community meeting here at the CPRB.

Uh and it's uh I think it's worked out well over the last several years.

Uh next slide, please.

Uh there are actually 15 defined categories of which we have equipment in nine of those categories depicted here, those are all highlighted.

Those are all highlighted.

Uh I'll go into a little more detail in the next several slides, but I will add that none of this equipment was obtained directly uh from the military.

Next slide, please.

These next two slides have the categories broken down with a specific equipment.

So category number one is a tactical robot and uh an unmanned aerial vehicle, uh UAV or a drone, and I'll have pictures of some of these.

It's not a robot that you are probably thinking about.

Uh category two and three is our armored vehicle, also known as a MetaVac that has a battery ram uh capability of being attached to it.

Category five are our two command posts, one of which is uh it's parked uh behind the police department, and category seven is our newly acquired kinetic breaching tools.

Uh next slide, please.

Category 10, these are our rifles and accompanied ammunition.

Uh our beanback shotgun and 40 millimeter launchers fall under both categories 11 and 14, and category 12 are our diversionary devices and chemical agents, agents.

So those diverge devices are flashbangs, uh chemical agents are uh any type of canister that has uh any type of uh gas that uh being able to deploy from it.

Next slide, please.

Uh photos here, upper left-hand corner is uh is a picture of a drone.

The one upper middle is the the robot, it's basically it's an RC type vehicle that has uh camera and uh um audio capabilities.

The uh one on the upper right is the uh some of the uh the gas canister that I talk about, and some of the munitions that have impact uh capabilities.

Lower left is our hostage negotiations vehicle, middle is our uh metabac armor vehicle, and then the one to the bottom right is our mobile command post.

Um next I'll cover it'll be an overview of our usage in non-training settings for calendar year 2025.

Uh next slide, please.

For our drone, our unmanned aerial vehicle, uh, they were deployed 65 times in 2025.

Uh most commonly it was used for warrant service, searching for suspects, missing persons, and scene documentation.

Uh next slide, please.

Actually, do you mind it sure in other words of the specifics on use that if people have questions?

Let's do it that way.

Um so I have a couple questions on this one.

Um the uh the drone uses is very similar to last year.

I think last year was 62 I saw.

Um question I have is uh since most of the uses are uh video um is there what is the policy on how long it retained video coverage for the drones?

So if it's evidentiary value to the uh to the case, it's uh it's retained just as any other um evidence, so it would be through um I would say almost indefinitely.

Right uh but for something that's not how long is that I mean do you purge?

Yeah, I'll have to look at what the specifically what the policy states um which is uh which is online, um but I can I can certainly uh okay.

I mean, because it it the policy refers to the retention periods when it comes to ALPRs and uh uh cameras.

I just don't remember if there's a separate one that addressed drones.

Yeah, for the drone because there is uh I know when we crafted the policy, there was concerns over uh you know, flying over uh private residents and whatnot, and I know there is a retention policy, I just don't know it off the uh the top of my head, and I see from the corner of my eye, Captain Tang previously working on his on his uh phone right now.

So I'm trying to stall as much as possible to give some time to look it up.

Um the other question I had in general is so um kind of what's the kind of bottom line, what uh what's the impacts of using the drones as it uh how to how's it affected your you know arrest rate for whatever and has it saved time for police officers?

So I can um in regards to the usage of it, so as you're aware or may not be aware, we no longer have canines here in the police department.

Uh we have a variety of drones, some of the drones are small drones, uh that are known as interior drones, others are larger drones that we use exclusively for the outdoors.

Those smaller drones uh allow us to introduce them into homes uh instead of sending in a uh a dog, so it's definitely safer for uh for our staff and for the individuals that may be in the home that were sending a uh uh uh a drone to give us a better look into what is uh occurring in there.

Uh the time it saves most definitely when it comes to either evidence collection or searching for an individual, whether it's a one-a-person or missing uh missing individual, so definitely um saves in that uh in that regard of the 60 some odd.

Um I don't know if you caught me before the meeting, I ran back to my office because I had all my notes and I don't know what I did with them.

Um so I'm trying to pull them up right now.

Um but uh it uh uh as far as the uh the location of suspects, it has proven uh successful in um in finding individuals.

Uh and I'm not gonna say that we wouldn't have found the individuals if we didn't have them, but it certainly uh assisted us in finding them a lot a lot sooner.

I'll just end the realize and say I for one would much rather have a drone being used to identify somebody than the helicopters they hear every night uh driving nuts.

Um that's just my two sets.

So um other questions people have about this particular slide?

Uh the drones can be used at night, right?

Yes.

Okay.

Um question.

Go ahead.

Sorry, Sam, it's a good idea.

I just didn't I guess a bit of a curiosity around the deployment around warrant um service.

Warrant service.

It's really just curious what what that means when it when a drone is involved.

Um I'll give uh I'll give like a high hypothetical where uh uh could a serve a warrant on an individual that's wanted, we're going to the individual's house.

Uh usually we'll we'll deploy a drone to have um overwatch of the of the location, so that way in case there's something that may flee out of a uh out of a back door or side door or wherever, so it gives us a better um look at what's going on if the person flees, and at least we can have eyes on the individual.

Okay.

Similar to what a helicopter would we would use a helicopter for.

I see.

Okay.

Okay.

And you're not using the robot to serve them to warrant.

Correct.

Correct.

Yeah, that was really at the heart of my question.

Not ashamed.

Not ashamed to say it's like what okay.

Thank you.

That's okay.

Um there's no questions.

Can we move to the next slide?

Go ahead with the next slide, unless you want to linger.

Yeah.

Good tapped answers.

Uh, where am I at?

Uh, next next slide, please.

Threw me off today, chair.

Uh, our next category is categories two and three, which is the uh uh the medavac vehicle and and the secondary part of the category is the is the battery ramp that's attached to it.

So that's why we we bump bundled those together.

Uh the armored vehicle itself was used 19 times in tactical situations, including barricaded suspects and armed incidents, as well as warrant service.

Uh and it was also displayed at four of our community events.

Any questions?

Battery ramp or we did not use a battery ram.

Okay.

Uh next is our category five mobile command post.

You'll notice that it says zero to zero deployments.

It's the vehicle that we have back here, and that was due to mostly um repair issues that we that we have with that uh vehicle.

It is uh 20 years old.

Uh so that maybe that's one that we're looking at potentially replacing, but in its place, we did use the mobile hostage negotiations command vehicle in its place.

And it was primarily used for uh uh during war and service operations, gives our our staff opportunity to be inside uh while managing the scene.

Uh next slide, please.

Yep.

Uh next one is our uh category 12, which is some of our less uh lethal tools, uh specifically our beanback shotgun and our diversioning devices.

Uh the beanback shotgun was used uh deployed five times, a total of 17 rounds were uh um were utilized in the uh in the incidents.

Uh all but one were not um used against an individual.

So it was either taking out a camera, uh breaking open a window, um, the one that it was used against an individual, it was two rounds that were um that were utilized, and this was an individual that was wanted uh on assault with a deadly weapon against an officer, and the individual was hit uh in the lower extremity, so the legs that was the question I was gonna ask is it could be helpful in general to know when you especially the things like the Bag um when there's been injuries because that was part of the report, I think would be helpful.

But you're saying there was just the one instance where it was used against the individual, that person said it hit their legs.

Is that what you're doing?

Yeah, shot uh the individual shot and legs.

And where there is where it was an injury or I believe that person was transported to the hospital.

This was uh an incident that happened um back in February of 25.

Uh this was actually an individual that fired uh shots at officers, it was an officer involved shooting that happened in uh you remember, but happened at unincorporated San Leandro.

And uh once the person was uh was at the vehicle not compliant and um uh fired two rounds with a beam back shotgun to uh gain compliance.

And so he he did receive some medical.

I believe he was medically clear.

I don't think he went to the hospital, but uh it was medically cleared.

Okay, um and then we used uh um flashbangs in uh two warrants, so those are just the versionary devices as uh yeah.

Last time you referred to them as flashbangs this time it was the versionary, so I was gonna ask you are they the same thing?

It is okay.

Interchangeable, yes.

For you, not for us.

Um okay, next slide.

Uh as I mentioned before, we didn't receive any community complaints or uh concerns from members of the community.

Yep.

Last slide about about the cameras.

Any uh elaborate one more on that?

Yeah, so similar to a warrant service where uh um we're gonna serve a search warrant on uh um on a residence or business, and it's more from an officer safety issue if we're uh um as officers are approaching the uh uh other residents in the camera on the home or disabled?

Uh home or home or business.

I see okay, yeah.

We're trying to understand what I see.

Okay, thank you.

And just for the um so may not be obvious to the folks.

Um this does not capture this report every use of uh firearm, you know, like handgun or taser.

Um that's not covered by the military equipment uh state law per se, just so you're aware.

Um and those incidents are kind of you're you're here reported through the IPA when those happen as many routine.

Okay.

Um other questions.

Um we take public commitment.

Yeah, and then uh so no no complaints, and then there's no policy violations.

Next slide.

And then as far as accusation acquisitions for 2025, uh we did acquire two kinetic reaching tools.

And if you remember last year, we came uh to this uh to this forum and also the council requesting the authorization to acquire these kinetic reaching tools.

So these are um tools that provide our officers a safer, more controlled method of uh making entry into a home.

Uh we did have some breaching shotguns, and the breaching shotguns would actually uh have a projectile that would fire and uh um you have to take take out a lock from a door.

Obviously, with that, there's risk of a round going astray.

This uh this particular piece of equipment, it uh um you put it in the in the in the door, and then it'll actually um it's all kinetic energy.

So there's no there's less risk to uh the staff and the individual maybe in the area.

Uh so we acquired two of those in uh um I believe it was February-ish, or maybe a little bit later, uh, but it was between 2025 we acquired those.

And next slide, please.

And as a result of that, we had removed the uh breaching shotguns that we had in our inventory, and along with the uh the rounds that come in.

Thank you.

Um next uh questions.

No, no, I think because you're a thought you were oh sorry, uh no requests for 2025, and uh final slide is uh all of our AV 41 information, including the policy of the inventory, is publicly available on our on our website on our transparency portal.

Uh this ensures our ongoing transparency and accessibility for our community.

Uh other than the inventory list, there's no change to our policy at all.

Uh there's no um, you updated the register.

And with that, Chair, I uh turn it back over to you.

I did I just had just a one question.

Go ahead, Sia, you go first.

I'll be quick.

That's right.

Is there anywhere for us to see um you've mentioned a couple times where that now the use of the military equipment replaces something else that's no longer in use or coming out of use?

Is there any where we can see the difference in cost?

The police department using one versus the other in the instances where something is being something new is in use in place of something else that's no longer in use, if that type of information is relevant and available.

So if you're asking if so, for all we use the example of the uh the kinetic breaching tools.

Sure, as one example.

Yeah, so that one actually I would say it probably costs us more because the shotguns we've already had inventory.

Uh shotguns are way lower cost uh for us, and I would uh probably I'm not a gun guy, um, but I think a shotgun is maybe 500 bucks, 600 versus a kinetic breaching tool that that was 14,000.

But with that, we get the added safety benefit of having that particular piece of advice or a piece of equipment.

Um I'm trying to think of other other instances where so sure, and maybe cost and um overall cost, so cost HD risk.

Yeah, so costs are in part of the inventory.

Uh if you were on the website, it actually has what the cost is of each piece of equipment that that we have in our inventory.

So the cost is listed on the uh on the inventory and one required of it.

And and just remind people this report now is gonna go to city council.

So the inventory is to give the council that kind of specific information too if you're gonna buy so even things like replacing bullets that are having to report that and how much how much they're they're they're purchasing and at what cost.

That's all in the inventory, and it's because it's the council ultimately has to approve it.

Okay, thank you.

All right.

Um other I just want question because if I'm reading this correctly, so there was no use of of uh cure gas or uh in the past year?

Correct.

Okay.

Good.

Um I think that's good.

Um so um we can't take public comment.

Well, first of all, does anybody else have any questions or comments from the board before we see if they have any public comment?

Tim?

Is the breaching tool and a new one?

Is it as portable as a shotgun?

Or is it a machine?

It weighs a little bit more, but it's yeah, it it's easy for one of our operators to carry it.

Um it's small enough where it can be uh uh placing the patrol vehicle as well.

Thank you.

Right.

Um other hearing none.

Um if there's any member of the public that has comment or questions on this particular subject.

I have Douglas Bondon.

Okay.

I do have a last name.

Um, we're all uh aware of the the current context that the city's uh budget issues that that uh face all of us.

I'm I'm aware that in the the mid-year uh reductions that the police department took a took a few hits.

Um but uh you know I point out that that's still nonetheless the the police department you know consumes about a third of our our budget uh after we've had a few years, a few rounds of this uh military equipment.

I would say you know, you're well stocked.

I'm glad it doesn't seem that there are you know new purchases upon us.

Um but I think the police department I and I know you know offices have worked overtime and you know have have helped us in many many ways.

Uh and and again, I think we have to look to you to help the city live within its means by by not adding new equipment.

Um one thing that comes to my mind is I I noticed the the the difference between the two command vehicle, right?

There's a command vehicle and a command.

I don't I forget how you you named it, but but if we're not using the bigger um uh Winnebago type thing, and we don't need to strap a missile to it, um, and we're not using it because it's uh an ill repair, and the other one's been working just as well, and we only had to use it three times this year.

Like, why would we replace the bigger vehicle?

I it just seems unnecessary.

It seems like an obvious thing uh to cut that would that would help the budget because I imagine that's a pretty expensive item.

And the only other thing I wanted to clarification on did I hear you right that the that the the breaching tool, which I I was uh really in favor of that last year, but we got it we just didn't have an opportunity to use it this year.

Is that uh correct?

We have not used it this year.

All right, thank you.

Any other public comment?

Okay, hearing that I think we've close that item.

Um I don't think we have to formally uh take action to accept the report or whatever.

Um but if anybody thinks we should open to that.

But okay.

Then um we're to the final item, which is kind of the uh go through with all the board members to see if you have any final comments or this is also the place where we'll uh clarify our upcoming uh agenda items for the next meeting and beyond.

Um so Saida, if you want to just for a second, um was it an action item?

It doesn't require a let's go.

Thank you.

Um so I'm sorry, Saida, do you have anything you want a closing comment or anything you want to say or anything related to our planning for our future agendas?

Do we need to do anything to agendize the flock?

Um the question from the the answer is yes.

If we if you wanted to uh we can do it right now if if if four of you think it's worthy of being you know our attention and put on the next agenda or a subsequent ones, we can do that.

So does it have to happen now?

I think the decision of whether we're gonna uh put on the agenda going forward does have that um that's has to be public.

So is that are you proposing that we agenda that make a motion okay?

Make a motion to do that.

What is it that you want to agendize the um we had uh a public comment, a question come in regarding the flock cameras?

Yeah, and just to be specific.

Oh, it's it's the it's the email you would have received yesterday, Tuesday uh April 14th from Benjamin Rowe.

So you want to so the motion is to attend the discussion.

Yes, to have a discussion about that.

Uh do I have a second?

Second.

What yes?

Can you describe our question?

Do we are you're confirming a specific board meeting date?

I didn't hear that.

Apologies.

I'd like to make a motion to agendize that email and a discussion about it at our next board meeting.

Thank you.

In May.

May that something.

Third Wednesday in May.

Thanks.

Check your calendar.

Okay.

Um do we have a second?

Is there any com any need for this conversation?

Any clarifying questions, or we didn't we know what the specific uh agenda is made.

Just to clarify, I just have a question about that really quick time.

So we want to agenda to talk about that email, what what that that the concerns about?

Is that is that what we're talking about?

Yeah, we would talk about the substance of that letter.

Um sorry, uh talk about the document.

Um I was just going to suggest if you wanted, or maybe perhaps even clarification on if you'd like the potential to take action.

Um, maybe give some clarification of staff of what that action might be so that we can make sure that it is properly agendized.

Next meeting, please.

Uh, in addition to talking about it, right?

I see you anticipate that you would like to take action and not for us to agendize it so that the public is aware of what is going to be discussed.

And related to that maybe clarifying is the topic title gonna be a review of the email, or is it to bring back the flock camera discussion that we previously had at an earlier meeting?

Well, saying proposed.

Yeah, so it's to revisit the previously presented flock camera data as what our information as well as discuss the constituent email is that to say and then we brought this as to be clarified as a presentation versus action.

Yes, we just want to make sure we properly agenda and if it's an action, then we also need clarity what is the like intended action or versus that we just want to bring it as a presentation right now for discussion item.

First of all, I don't think we'd have to honestly tell you what our proposed action is ahead of time.

Um for purposes of the public, we just need to be clear whether it's an action items or not.

Um and so um I honestly don't have an opinion here about whether this when it should be an action item because I don't know where this discussion is gonna go.

Um so if you just want to have a discussion first and then decide whether we think this action would have that agenda for you know that would be kind of my suggestion.

That makes the most sense, yeah.

Okay, um, so use it to explore and understand more.

And I also frankly would notify um Mr.

Rowe to let him you know he can attend if he wishes.

Um so um all right, so that's settled.

Thank you for that.

We oh did we vote?

We didn't we have a second?

I think Joe's already said okay.

So I have a motion from Saida seconded by Keith.

Um we've discussed it.

Um all those in favor?

Aye.

Okay, that's unanimous then.

Thank you.

Um I did it, I did have some uh um talking about flock cameras.

I think uh last discussion you had an assistant chief tourists.

We're asking for some uh idea on how the flock cameras are in what in what way the IPA uh does that in the monthly report.

I believe they didn't get the uh assessment or crime analysts on vacation uh this past week, so I'm sure they want to get this information over to them.

Did I answer your question?

Okay, um anything else?

Keith?

I'm not gonna not that fast.

Tim uh regarding the ABC news information.

Okay, uh I appreciate members of the public uh commenting on it and uh your consolidation of the considerations and enlightening me more about uh just uh what a whistleblower uh what that constitutes gave me some clarity on that.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Um Jenny.

Um I don't have any comments.

Sorry.

And Keith?

No, 30 seconds because I think you have to night.

Um we'll see.

Um 30 seconds.

Okay then um just to clarify that what's on the agenda for the next meeting.

Um we'll we'll continue to have our ad hoc committee updates if they're um the uh I'll also be asking for uh uh a volunteer with you at the next meeting to assist with preparing the annual report, which is due to the council in June.

So just know that.

So if you know you'd like to be relevant, that will uh chance to volunteer the next meeting.

Um we also have uh in according to our work plan the uh kind of mini training on constitutional policing uh with the IPA we would be uh on the next meeting.

And I've got space with Jeff and he's envisioning it being probably a half hour presentation and then plenty of opportunity for QA after that.

So and but and then this item on the flock here.

So that's ad hoc committee updates, block camera discussion, uh preparing for the annual report and the the training module on constitutional police.

Okay, how did I do great motion?

I'm sorry, to add with respect to the ad hoc with respect to the ad hoc uh committees, yes, both would jump on to John Chris.

Right.

Uh can I anticipate that anything going on in the next month?

If um if we hear back of the department in between, um I'll certainly notify you and for that um that might affect my uh offering my uh uh help on a on this report.

Okay.

I mean, I don't want to be involved in too many things, yeah.

Okay, fair enough.

Um as soon as we have more information from the department, we'll get that to the committees, respective committees, and uh and if there's no news, then we will report that as more news.

Okay, um on that note, this meeting is adjourned.