Thank you.

Announcements.

The next item is the consent calendar minutes.

Hopefully everybody's had a chance to review those.

And if there's any edits or additions or corrections, here's your chance.

No?

Okay.

Do you have a motion to accept the visits?

Just for a second, I wanted to just make a correction.

I notice afterwards.

That number item 3A where it says the following carry with the following vote.

We forgot to put um the amount of people that will six to one, but we'll fix that later.

Okay, I appreciate that.

Thank you.

I'll do the motion.

We have a second.

A second for two?

Aye.

Okay.

All those in favor.

Okay, that's five zero.

Thank you.

Um the next item is the uh police department or chief's report.

Good evening and thank you, Chair Bailey.

So I do have several updates to uh to make to the board.

Uh one of which is the officer involved shooting that occurred on May 7th.

As you were aware earlier this month, we had an option involved shooting.

Uh, unfortunately, I don't have any additional information other than what we had pushed out uh shortly after the incident.

Uh we are currently working on uh publishing a uh a video body count of the incident, but I'll give a kind of a quick recap on what occurs on Thursday, May 7th at approximately 8 07 p.m.

We responded to a request to conduct a welfare check involving an adult male who had reportedly made suicidal statements to a friend.

The reporting party also advised that the individual was suffering from depression.

Officers initially responded to the individual's uh residence on Santiago Road, but were unable to locate him.

Uh, we continued our efforts to locate that the individual and subsequently found him seated inside of a vehicle at the San Angel Marina near the boat launch.

Our officers contacted and engaged with the individual in conversation for several minutes while he remained inside the vehicle.

During the encounter, the individual produced a firearm and appointed officers in response to the immediate representative, an option involved shooting occurred.

Officers requested medical aid and emergency personnel responded to the scene.

And despite life saving efforts, the individual was pronounced deceased at the scene.

Firearm was recovered from the individual.

Three San Landra police department officers were involved in the incident.

None of the officers sustained any fiscal injuries.

At this time, the name of the student has not been uh publicly released, and then perceived and then uh recurrently conducting investigation uh consistent with our policy and set up the protocols.

Uh we have multiple investigations, which include a criminal investigation by the department, uh administration administrative review is being conducted by uh an outside firm, and the incidents also be reviewed uh by the uh LV.

Oh, we'll be reviewed by the L County District Attorney's Office as well, and with our IPA.

And as I mentioned before, we're currently working toward the release of uh video related to the incident.

Uh, second update I'd like to give is this past month, uh, two officers join the department, one is a lateral police officer, another one is the I graduated from the Alameda County Sheriff's Office Academy last week.

We have three officers currently in the academy with anticipated graduation dates in July, and tomorrow we have two starting the academy.

Uh finally, excuse me, I want to provide a brief update regarding several policies that the board has been awaiting updates on.

Uh, first I want to thank the board for your continued patience and understanding as we work through the trend this transition period.

Uh we recognize the interest in these policy items and appreciate your ongoing engagement and commitment to the process.

At this time, while we await additional clarity regarding our department leadership and anticipate the start date of the interim chief, it's appropriate, it's temporary pause, uh bringing some of these items uh forward.

Uh doing so will allow us uh allowed the incoming interim chief the opportunity to become familiar with uh the organization and review the work uh completed today to provide input moving forward.

Uh in regards to the use of force policy, uh that has been uh I do have a draft uh that was provided to me earlier today that has uh incorporated uh the CPRV feedback as long as what was approved with our police officer association.

Uh so I'll begin taking a look at that uh this week, and that way we have it ready for the interim chief, and hopefully, uh, we'll push this out uh pretty quickly.

And with the AI policy, uh the city as a whole is working on citywide policy with a section specific to the police department.

Uh the city attorney's office does have the draft flexible policy which will provide the framework uh for the our department policy.

And with that, Chair, I um open to any questions.

Others have any questions on those items?

No, yes.

Uh the pursuit policy is another one that's gonna be modified.

Um yeah, the pursuit policies, another one is crying control policy, uh the first amendment policy, I believe, chair.

Right, was the uh the final one?

Yeah, there's there's four use of force, pursuits, crowd control, um, first amendment assemblies, and uh the AI uh law regarding uh use of the AI for police reports.

Um so those are the four that are pending.

Um and uh I'll just say for the writer because certainly we understand the need to defer some of this uh pending uh an interim chief if that's that a decision made that there will be an interim chief.

Yes, I have a follow-up question.

Uh when I'm the interim chief, it's okay.

Um, so are you guys like starting to live right now, or is that still in the planning business?

Or interim chief deputy city manager is that something you can speak to?

Sure, I'll read it again last week and we have to have somebody on board uh ASAP.

Anybody that we do bring on would require a background check.

Uh and so we're going through some of those steps right now.

Uh like uh AC Torres said, we'd like to have somebody on board as quick as possible, and you know, keeping the department going, make sure we're keeping the community safe.

Okay.

Thank you.

And regarding the shooting, I just have a question.

I know a lot of people were concerned that this was an incident that appeared to evidence-based mental health uh issues, and uh my understanding is that the our ARU both was unavailable both because that's service hours at that time of day.

May have also been precluded if they had if if they if you knew that this individual was armed, uh I believe the protocols for the ARU is they wouldn't would not respond unless you kind of gave the clearance.

Is did you have knowledge of whether this individual had a weapon at the time that you were responding to the call from the friend?

Um, uh, we did not know that uh he had a weapon, however, we were aware that he had multiple weapons that were registered to uh all right.

Um here on what's ARU?

Oh, sorry, that's the alternative response unit, which is the middle health uh response with the fire department.

Um and unfortunately, uh with the city's uh budget crises, it's actually one of the services that is being recommended to be cut, not entirely, but reduced, I think in 28.

Uh and uh hopefully that changes uh between now and then since this is probably another example where it would have been helpful to have more resources.

Um let's see what else.

Um the uh the next item then is the um uh IPA's report.

Um I'm tempted to take public comment first, because then we're also gonna have the presentations from the uh uh about the fluck here's good uh uh the uh IPH training piece of the questions of policing.

So if there's no objection uh since we have a firm or folks here to be able to take public comment down, okay.

Um this would be for management guidance, so we have cards for we do for first person um for public comments or non-profit and then Chris Urban and press life and more will be next.

You will have two minutes to speak.

You're a governor, I'm a Nord Ash crash.

I'm a Nord Ash craft and uh you know I had more fun in South Vietnam than I'm having in San Andrew in the last couple years.

I'm here to tell you that we will now allow you to continue doing some of the things that you're doing and allow the POA to do.

I made a couple of notes be from cussing too much.

We cannot heal what we do not acknowledge, and we cannot advance without confronting our past.

Let us stop allowing the past to dictate our landscape and start actively shaping the legacy we choose to leave behind.

We have a city now that keeps spending taxpayer dollars to sue because uh the old San Landor does not want to let go.

The city is known as a sundown town.

We still have that, there's still uh negative reaction of having a black person as a police chief or city manager, and yes, some of y'all going after the city manager, also, and we know that.

Well, guess what?

We're gonna stop it.

You see, this is a city uh that had red line, and now the now mayor still have not agendized that apology that we submitted, a resolution of apology.

No blacks are wanted in city hall and compositions.

The POA is nothing but another version of the KKK.

Same playbook, same playbook KKK.

And now I mean the county district attorney is our version of the Clarence Thomas, and we're gonna stop it.

I'm here to tell you with the commission to put an end to this madness.

You see, the police chief is doing a damn good job, and the people are happy and satisfied with an order time zone, thank you.

Yes, but you know, uh I would I will be back, and we will be strong against what we're doing here with the POA.

It's time for a change, and dammit we're gonna change it.

Thank you.

Good evening.

First, I need to acknowledge alone people whose territory that we occupy.

I like to come today in a good way.

I will be coming up speaking because I will have many questions throughout you know, you guys' meetings.

I'm new to this uh attending these meetings, and I just want the community and the police to work together in a good way.

I'm really under I'm really really saddened by the um police chief.

Um, and I'm glad that you are at our up right now for interim, and I'm really uh appreciate that because I actually remember when you started the fur the for the forest.

And so I I really hate to see us go backwards right now.

Even though our city's in turmoil in every every commission, it seems like every our city's in turmoil, so we need to get ourselves back together, and what can we do that?

And I really been thinking about that, and the heart of the city is the library and our police, and we need to come together as a community and work in a better way, and we really need to support our um police chief.

And we also need to support our city manager because word on the street is that you guys are coming after Janelle Cameron.

And that's really a shame.

You know, that all this is happening right now.

And I just don't want to see it.

I want our city to be in a better place.

Oh, thank you.

Douglas, you can come out and after we went.

Sorry about that.

Good evening, board, members of the department.

Well, we don't know the uh name of the decedent, I guess as he's being referred to.

We do know his race, he's African American.

And we do know that uh the situation was called in as a right, a mental health crisis.

I don't know if uh the ARU or the other uh mental health first response uh units were called, but there's no way that this incident should have um resulted in the death of this man.

Even if he you know he did pull a weapon, I you know, I take that uh as a true part of the report, but you know, uh pulling a weapon in a car and getting fired off a shot uh doesn't seem like the best shots can be made.

I it seems like a circumstance where you back off, you de-escalate, you wait for mental health professionals come in, and you make sure no one is injured, including the deceedant.

Um it just feels terrible because we right, we now had a number of uh individuals uh shot and killed by the police department under circumstances I think none of which were warranted.

So I I feel like we have made um progress out of a cowboy era, but uh not enough progress.

Uh I also want to point out the folly of the current district attorney, who could not find enough evidence to charge uh Jason Fletcher in the murder of Stephen Taylor, even though body cam footage existed, but did found cause to charge our police chief in a um you know a minor track traffic uh infraction.

Uh I don't condone my understanding what the chief did.

I you know I think it's a bad choice, but I don't think it should result in us being where we are now.

So, um, yeah, you know, one step forward, two steps back, we gotta keep moving forward.

Thank you.

Mike, can you please come in?

You want Mike or Michael?

Uh, we need this back.

Okay, we're my cats.

Okay, I just want to make sure.

Good evening, everybody.

Um, welcome.

On the interim chief, please don't be hired hard from Kensington.

Oh my god, that was great.

Um, also, is this a pointing that a welfare check resulted in police cooperating and granting someone suffering from suicidal depression their temporary desire?

Don't know all the circumstances, but I do know what you do know is how many bullets were fired and how many officers were involved in how many officers fired their weapons, and it's disappointing that you can't reveal even that information because that is factual information that's not going to change.

The main reason I'm here is talking about our flock flock powered surveillance.

So I said to the city council, so this would be old for you, at least, but it might be new for a second.

Yeah, there we do have an agenda by on the flock.

Oh, I missed missed it on the agenda.

So in that case, um, I am always disappointed with the use of passive language in describing incidents where it's an officer involved shooting.

That seems like there was a shooting, an officer was around or something.

But what we're talking about here is an officer fired your weapon, which resulted in someone's death.

And I think the language around it should be clear, it's not like that's gonna change, right?

We all know that that's code for what happens in these shootings, use officer-involved shooting instead of saying what actually happened and using the act of voice.

This is just good use of language.

Anyway, thank you very much for your time, and I'll be back.

Thank you.

We have any other comments received.

Okay.

Um, thank you for that.

Um, and uh let's go back to the uh IPA's report.

Uh so Denise, I guess this is Europe.

I think I'll take it off.

Okay.

Oh, I didn't see.

Okay.

Yeah, can you hear me now?

Yes.

Um, we make it louder, please.

I'm sorry.

Okay.

It's not coming through the main secret if it's on this.

How do you all hear me?

And I know that's what it's not.

Trust me, hello, testing.

There, it's a little better.

It's a little better.

We can hear you.

So can't hear that too.

So just brought him here in person.

Sure.

Okay.

Any guys in that?

It's got to be back.

I don't know where.

He worked for philosophy.

Yes, that's good.

Okay.

I don't understand why.

Please go for Steve, just uh speaking about it.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Um, so I just wanted to indicate that we had or I had issued a press release relative to the uh the charges being brought against the chief and our role.

I just like to read that so that everybody is on the same page with respect to the uh the role of the IPA um relative to the investigation that was conducted uh by SLPA.

Um, so the release that I issued after immediate inquiry read as follows.

The role of the independent police auditor in this matter was to review the administrative investigation conducted by an outside third party investigative firm.

As part of that review, we also review the California Highway Patrol investigation concerning the underlying incident.

Our review found that the administrative investigation was complete, professionally conducted, and unbiased.

We did not identify any significant investigated deficiencies, and we did not find that the conclusions reached in the administrative investigation to be inappropriate.

We will not comment on any pending criminal proceeding.

Our comment is limited to the IPA's review function, which is to assess the completeness, fairness, and integrity of administrative investigations involving the police requirement.

So I just wanted to let everyone on the uh CPRB know that we had issued that statement.

I think it's important for everybody to understand what our role is, and uh that we won't have further comment beyond that.

And with that, I'll turn it over to Denise for the monthly report, which hopefully everyone has had a chance to look at and digest.

Before we go on, first of all, Jeff, I want to thank you for that statement.

Um honestly, I think that at least from my perspective, the most important part of that is not just making sure people understand your role or your conclusion that the investigations that have been done were thorough and unbiased, and uh that seems really important given whatever the A is motivation is going forward there.

So thank you for that.

Um, any other comments on that, by the way, before we move it to the actual white paid monthly report, any of them.

Okay, all right.

Please go ahead.

This is for the monthly report now.

Good evening, everyone.

So I see the monthly report should be seen it up on your screen.

And as Jeff says, hopefully, you had a chance to look it over.

So I'm just gonna kind of do big picture, and I do have a couple of corrections.

Just a reminder that this is make sure that you're all hearing me okay.

Yep, you're fine.

Okay.

Um, that the first slide, if you scroll up to the activities, that is showing the April as the current month and compared to the prior month, and it gives you that the presentative change on the right.

You can see that there's not any really big changes.

One thing I noted is the citations were up about the same as the RIPA arms were up, which is appropriate as they should be.

Um, but nothing really big to report there.

Use the force are down, a couple extra pursuits, and a couple more complaints, but nothing nothing big though, uh, as far as change.

So going on to the next slide, um, and you can just kind of keep scrolling and I'll keep talking.

This gives you some detail on that use of orsk incidents that occurred during the month of April, and then it tells you that um the summary of those sent to the IPA during the month.

There are some, it gives you the average, the number of days, not average, the number of days it took to get to us, and if you remember this, there's some catch up going on on some backlog.

But what you'll see, uh, and that's the next slide.

If you if you go to the next slide, you're seeing right there.

Um, you'll see there's a couple that are big members, but there's also some that are getting smaller and smaller, and that is we've actually almost got to the catch up.

There's almost no backlog anymore, but you're seeing uh April, so that's why these are these are still showing up in this report.

Is there a way we can for matter?

Could we get that up?

Thank you.

Um sorry, just interrupt me.

I need to stop.

Well, I guess you know, for the two use of force, it's that are you know key that are well over uh 200 days and 300 days.

I understand this backlog, but what is there any particular reason why these are so tardy?

No, no particular reason, just that they were stuck in the system.

If you remember it, we we've gone through this a couple months in a row now that and there were a lot of them.

There's now just a couple, and hopefully you won't see any that that take better match at large.

Okay, please.

And when I say the system, it was the department system, not our system.

But okay.

Okay, so moving on, um, again, it shows you the number uh that we reviewed and the number of days that it took us to review those.

The also shows you the use of force ACAS, which is the agreed upon course of action, uh, that of those that we reviewed.

There were two.

Uh excuse me, there's only actually one ACA tactics related to a response.

But the second bullet there, I just want to point out that there were five incidents that we reviewed where there were compliments.

And when we complement it's it's because they we saw something that was above and beyond.

There were various things like professionalism coordination with other units.

So we really wanted to point that out because it was it was a big deal to see that.

Okay, so just could you just explain a little bit more about the one offer you do have that first one tactics related to response approach?

What is it that you're referring to there?

The reason these are summarized the way they are is because it's not super appropriate to go into lengthy detail.

I don't need my face, I just need to just like have a better sense of what we're talking about.

That's all.

I don't want the details of the incidents.

I'm sorry, and I can I'm having trouble hearing all your words, but I think I hear what you're saying.

You're asking for a little more detail on the explanation.

This so when officers use force, there are the tactics they use, whether it's the approach uh or their wording, or there are there are a lot of things surrounding how it's handled, whether it's before the incident, during the incident, after the incident, and tactics is one of those things that um there's a lot of variables, not something we would go into to detail, but when we see things where there are places for improvement, um, this specific one says related to the response and approach prior to waiting for backup officers.

So the officer who was involved should have done things, could have done things better before waiting for the other officers.

Does that make sense?

Is that is that enough detail?

Um I don't know if anybody else.

Well, I have a different question.

Uh related to this, okay.

Go ahead.

And sorry, um, if you already went over this, but when it comes to the use of force and the so the backlog is getting shorter, there just it seems like there's these two, like either their outliers, if one is June and one is September, and I'm just curious if there's some reason in particular, like these two have taken so long.

Is there something about these that makes it so?

Um, and I could ask uh Captain Khan to also back me up your own buy, but I'm gonna tell you that from our perspective, there was no outlier.

There was no reason why.

There was no particulars, they're just we're just catching up.

Captain Cal, do you want to?

I can jump in and we didn't we discussed this last meeting as well that uh we even um frontloaded the the board last time that we're still gonna see these coming in, they're all with the IPA, it's just matters that I'm now reviewing them.

So these were all sent uh the a while back, and it's just a little catch-up piece.

Okay, thank you.

Thanks.

Okay, I don't because of the order in which you're looking at them.

It looks like outliers, but hang on one second, please.

Success.

Okay, then we'll give it a success.

Anybody who was sleep is down there.

Yeah, we'll verify it out.

Okay, are we okay to it?

Carry on.

Can I answer this?

Okay to carry on.

Yes, please.

Okay, so if you continue scrolling, we're now into the pursuits.

Again, it's showing you that the number that some detail on the incidents that were uh that occurred, the pursuits that occurred, those that were sent to the IPA and how long they took.

Again, you'll see a couple of outliers there on the backlog.

So I'm not sure if you're gonna scroll, um, yes, there you go.

So keep going one more.

We should see one more there.

There it's stuff there.

You can see that the higher numbers of the days, so we're catching up on pursuits as well.

Thank you.

Very much stuff right there.

So these were the ones that were sent to the IPA and that we completed our review.

I said there was a correction.

I type vote on the date, and uh it's the fourth one down.

The date to the IPA was not March 27, 25, it was 26.

So that 373 days should be seven days, and that's my fault.

That's just a table.

Something I I caught just as I was reviewing.

Carry on.

Yes, please.

Next, just keep going.

Um, now we do have some clarification here on the ACAs, and again, this is this is our report.

Um, and I'm not sure exactly why it's happened, it's something I'm gonna have to correct, but the office that you're seeing right here, um, it changed a disposition from unfounded to exonerated is actually on the complaints, and that's where it should have shown.

So that's incorrect.

The complete report writing edits for clarification is a pursuit of that.

That's what it should have been.

And there was one other for the pursuits that isn't showing, and again, I apologize for the error in this report.

This is our mistake.

Um there was another ACA that had to do with uh decision making and a violation of the pursuit policy that we all agreed upon.

The course of action was to take corrective action against the involved employee.

Moving on, yes, the number of complaints, then the number of complaints sent to the IPA.

Again, you'll see there's the backlog that we're catching up.

There's some high numbers, those should be going down, and then you will see that the IPA completed during the month, and lastly, um, on the number the uh cases reviewed again.

These AUCAs here, you'll see that change disposition from unfounded to exonerated.

That's in the correct place.

But it should have been last two slides have to do with the RIP-a breakdown and the flock summary.

Trying to just kind of give an overview of this.

Um, hoping that you all had time to really digest and dive in.

If you have any specific questions, please let us know.

And the flock outcome highlights.

We did not receive any from the police department and um assistant chief chores.

If you have any to add here, please do, and that will end our monthly report.

Now we're going to highlights and we'll speak offline uh because I need to connect you with our crime analyst.

Uh so you guys can connect.

So these can be included in there.

I have a question.

Go ahead.

Uh looking at the monthly activity summary.

Uh the last item says unique San Leandro Police Department queries.

Can you explain what that should contain?

You're waiting.

Sorry, Chief Torres.

Do you want to take that?

Go with the question one more time.

Under uh on page two, monthly activity summary current versus prior month.

The last item is described as unique San Leandro Police Department queries.

This is regarding the flock activity.

Right?

He's talking about the summary.

It's below the page two words.

It's the last item on the summary.

Below the flock, yeah.

And I just don't know what it's a couple pages up.

So it's on page two, that's it.

Yeah.

Maybe it's license plane.

Oh, you were there.

So it's that last item.

That's the queries.

Yes.

So Denise, when you pull these, we're uh pulling those more way to have.

We're actually getting a part of the prime analyst.

So Lieutenant Brahma sent it.

That's these numbers.

Actually, the unique SLPD queries are coming directly from the flock database.

I pulled that myself.

And this is just the comparison between March and April, and a unique SLPB query is a unique plate or vehicle that is a query comes from SLP Day.

So there could be, and there were uh 3,642 queries all together, but there were only uh 373 unique plates which were were queried.

Is that answer the question?

I think so.

Thank you.

Sure.

I hadn't thought of this before, but do we um do we also track how often we are requesting flock data from other jurisdictions?

We we don't track that.

In other words, when we do a search, actually we have those numbers, but don't report them here.

I don't know if it would how important it would be.

But since a lot of the uh concern about flock, which we'll discuss later, is about the integrity of the data management by the company.

Um it'd be interesting to have a sense of how much we're also um involved in requesting access to the data from other departments.

Um maybe periodically that's something you could include.

Um or at least see what it looks like and everybody whether you think it would be useful.

Um that's just what occurs to me.

Um the other uh thing uh on the complaints section of the report, um, maybe we already had decided this, but obviously don't remember you know I think we had provided an annual summary before that actually listed the allegations and the outcomes or the dispositions of those cases, um and of course none of that is here.

Um is that intentional to just do it on an annual basis or it is intentional, and the reason is uh a question of anonymity, and if we were to do it on a monthly basis, the feeling is that uh anonymity would be compromised, okay.

Um and then uh separate from that, then I guess one of the things that would be helpful is um if you're seeing rather than waiting for a roll-up of the numbers at the end of a year, if you're seeing a trend of a particular kind of complaint arising more frequently in the kind of month to month uh review, um I think it would be appropriate for you guys to be able to at least highlight trends, even if they're not specifics, uh that would allow you to identify the particular officer, but um, I can't tell anything from this that other than the number of complaints that I've been number of incidents uh in general terms, but not if there's a some specific kind of activity that we're seeing trending that we want to pay attention to, or that you pay attention to uh that's it for my comments.

Any other comments on the report?

Thank you.

I mean, this certainly is uh a lot more information than we've had before, it's getting better all the time.

I so I appreciate uh your responsiveness to uh we need.

So if there's nothing else, do we uh have anything from the board secretary?

Uh yeah, uh Eric wanted me to um let you guys know he's working on getting a table uh spot at the Cherry Festival uh for the members of this board and anybody that you all want out uh doing outreach for this board to try to get new members uh similar to what we did last year.

Uh it'll be adjacent to uh the staff at the table uh with other city staff so we can uh talk to our community, let them know about the great work that goes on here and invite them to participate, whether it be uh try to get appointed to the board or just come in and uh and joining the conversation uh with the community, but he will have more uh information uh in the in the coming days when he returns, and then also uh he's working on getting the um the uh the cards, information cards, the information cards uh printed up once they are finalized uh by you all.

Looking forward to some great great work uh there on uh the sex.

We'll talk about that through the yeah.

I also have a quick question.

Yeah, so in regards to, I know he's working on is he working on t-shirts class?

Because in the masks we got like the cherry festival t-shirts.

He didn't mention that to me, but I'll certainly ask.

Yeah, can you double check that one at least?

You're sure it wasn't jackets.

I thought we would think that's but it's like a military festival shirt.

Yeah, so he'll know what we're talking about because yeah, thank you.

Sorry, and thank you.

While we're at it, could we also bother Eric when it comes to mentioned other magnets and ordering some other items for the tabling purposes?

There's a list, I don't recall, but we asked for a bunch of stuff.

So if we could re-ignite that discussion, that'd be great.

Thanks.

I'll go point detail for the problem.

So swag.

Okay, like the last one.

So it's my kind of t-shirt.

Okay, um, thank you.

That's it.

Worked it.

Okay.

Um, we're now at the uh uh we already did public comment for items that are not with the agenda.

Um now we're to the uh item uh 6a, which is uh session of the flock and public safety cameras.

And this is a particular uh was we voted at the last meeting to agenda this uh based on uh email from Hadrian Rowell who raised a number of issues that was attached to the agenda, so you should have that text.

Um and here it is, and he raises a number of questions about uh the integrity of the data management, um, the uh access to our data from others, um, the costs of the uh of the contract, and uh uh and and and questions, the wisdom of staying with Flock, um, if uh there are alternatives given uh concerns about uh Flock's handling of data or at least the lack of trust in their ability to safeguard the data.

Um I'm not sure how to proceed.

I mean that's so that's the outline of the of the issues he raises.

Um Chief, you said that we have a representative from Flock who could maybe speak to some of these issues, especially around the management of the data.

Yeah, we have Max uh Weinsen.

Sorry about that.

Thank you.

Uh yeah, hi, my name's Max Weinstein.

Uh I'm uh Flock's new director of public trust and technology.

Um that's helpful.

Thank you.

Uh yeah, happy to answer any of the questions.

I'm happy to go through the email first uh and we can kind of take it piece by piece.

Um so let's see convenience about the system meeting works within the system is pretty different from what you actually read in the news, right?

There's no central database that data all pours into and then comes out of.

Each police department around the state, and I do say the state because they don't share outside of California, it is now completely blocked.

Each police department owns their data.

They decide who they would like to share with.

And that is not a bilateral sharing relationship.

So if police department A wants to share with police department B, but police department B doesn't want to share with police department A, it doesn't have to go both ways.

So the way that it works in the system, and I'm happy to, I know, you know, I don't want to take up all the time, happy to put it up here and show you.

Um the way it works in the system is sort of like a LinkedIn request.

So you have to actually request it from another agency.

That agency has to accept it and say yes, we would like to share our data.

And then once that relationship is made, it can be revoked within the system at any time.

A lot of the information that you're reading, a lot of the headlines that you're reading, uh, first of all, a lot of it is complete disinformation.

Uh, second off, uh, there was a few incidents where federal agencies in the past, in 2024, uh weren't able to query California agencies within the system.

That shouldn't have happened.

Uh, the reason that it happened is Flock has always taken a position that it's we are a tool, right?

We don't access the data, we don't sell the data, we don't monetize the data.

And we allow police departments to make their choices within the system.

That is no longer the case in the state of California.

It is a completely bifurcated system, meaning that a California police department is unable, even if they would like to try, they are unable to share data with agencies outside the state or federal agencies.

Police departments have to have a California ORI, which is a specific number, every police department in the country has one in order to request other agencies' data within California.

Um, and then federal agencies don't even appear in the system for uh California agencies.

In addition, um we also have a number of new safeguards we've implemented within the system, strict guardrails, so for instance uh immigration and reproductive health.

Uh you are unable to search that if you if your police department does not want you to utilize that data.

Now that's kind of a moot point in California because California state law says that data can't be used for that anyway.

So if you were to search that in the system and put in a plain English term, immigration or something having to do with reproductive health, uh, it would just zero out the search.

You would get no results.

Um, but again, that's like sort of a second gate within the California side of the system.

Uh let's see.

Um video access logs and the flock transparency portal.

Don't list from which from access.

So I can't speak exactly to that.

The transparency portal, I just checked yours specifically, is pretty specific on what agencies have access to city data and what agencies uh the sharing relationships are in existence with.

Um let me think.

Uh the data being collected in the system isn't already compromised by accident or by design.

The data's not compromised.

Uh there is a headline out there, again, misinformation that Flock was hacked, that somebody hacked 80,000 of our cameras.

Uh, in truth, somebody hacked 60 of our live streaming cameras, nothing to do with our LPRs.

Uh, the way that they were able to do that is through we use cellular data, so SIM cards.

Um, there was an issue with the carrier that allowed 60 of those devices to be accessed, basically by standing next to that device.

As soon as that happened, uh we closed that loophole, and nothing has happened since.

Uh we don't actively look at or utilize your actual data, right?

So everything is managed within the system by the customer themselves.

Any other questions outside of the email or anything you want me to go specific more into in terms of sharing or anything else with the system?

Who's your competition?

Yeah, so we have uh competition from a company called Axon and another company called Motorola.

Um, and both of those companies manufacture ALPR devices.

Uh I will say both of those companies uh in difference to how we operate, uh, utilize their data differently and have massive contracts with DHS and ICE.

Uh we do not have any contracts with ICE.

So they have sorry, so they actually like have the information shared to like Department of Homeland Security.

I can't speak to the way their sharing works.

I don't work for them.

What I will say is that um Motorola is the provider of ALPR for Department of Homeland Security.

Okay.

That question.

Yes.

You mentioned earlier about the data, it's kind of like LinkedIn in that sense.

So like who or what side does the revoking once is determined that once the data is already shared and it's no longer they wish, like is it?

Do they both have to agree or where are the controls when it comes to that?

Sure, yeah, just the originating agency.

So, like I said before, police department A shares with police department B.

If police department A decides they no longer want police department B to have access, it's literally a little toggle switch, they turn it off, and that sharing access is revoked immediately.

Thank you.

Yeah, of course.

So this is the question I have.

Sure.

So the log for the transparency portal, whatnot, and uh was gonna list uh what the request the nature of the request, right?

Um, supposed to have case numbers as my understanding for our uh protocols here, and if there isn't a case number, then it should be uh approved.

Um what's to prevent somebody, especially another agency in California or some rogue sheriff's office in the California, makes a request for uh a license number, but but doesn't give the real reason.

We don't say immigration, so we have that flag.

Sure.

How does that get police?

Is that totally up to our department then to uh assess the appropriateness of that request, or is it is it gonna be automatic if it doesn't raise a flag?

So basically what you're asking is if another police department that officer lies, right?

So that's a violation of a number of different systems, right?

Of a number of different policies and California state law.

Having said that, we do not have access to that data, right?

Flock is a tool.

We manufacture the car, we are teaching you how to drive it, we are not driving it for you.

We highly recommend, and I believe it's part of your policy here at the police department to conduct audits.

I did just see one from you guys.

Uh I personally recommend that you conduct those audits once a month, and if there is something that raises a flag, we also have a new feature.

We are the only OPR company who has this feature called um audit assistance, and this is a specific system that raises concerns and actually surfaces them automatically to the administrator of the system.

So your police department has an administrator within the system, and it will send a flag if there's something in that audit log that is incongruent with policy or law, right?

And we've actually had this now for a month, and I can personally attest to numerous police chiefs calling me saying, What is going on?

I'm getting all these things, we look into it, and nine times out of ten, it's because of some kind of setting that's wrong, but we do have people who are really starting to pay attention to this, and this feature has been uh pretty incredible uh in terms of the um the transparency and community trust that it actually provides.

So it's essentially looking for our liars, yes, in the data.

That's correct.

Okay, um other questions?

Um, why don't we uh take public comment then to this item?

Um before we wait into the thing, so happy to come back up after, so I'll hang around.

Yeah, please, I appreciate it.

Let's see.

I think Mike had public comment previously.

Yep.

Thank you.

So this is gonna be fun.

So the representative from Flock said that agencies in California cannot share their flock licensed reader data with agencies outside the state of California.

That is not true.

I know this because El Cahon currently is sharing data with agencies outside the state of California.

As a result, El Cahon is being sued by the attorney general.

He mentions you can't search the system for immigration or abortion related reasons.

The truth is that Flock blocks a few terms, but those are easily bypassed by providing a different reason or something completely unrelated.

The truth is there's no way the system can prevent misuse of the system, including searching for immigration, First Amendment related or abortion-related searches and conducting searches on behalf of out of state agencies and federal agencies.

It just can't.

Flock says they don't have access to the data, and yet audit logs show a Flock employee accessing Flock cameras in Dunley, Georgia.

It happened to be in a gymnastics facility where there were children practicing there.

In addition, Flock terms and conditions have changed to eliminate the statement.

Flock does not own or and shall not sell customer data.

That used to be in the terms and conditions, that is no longer there.

The revised terms and conditions also grant Flock a quote a limited, non-exclusive, royalty-free, irrevocable, perpetual, worldwide license to use and disclosed customer data, provide Flock services, and B the customer data to support and improve Flock's products and services.

This means that Flock keeps the data even when the contract ends and uses it, however they decide.

Under the new terms, Flock's liability is capped at 12 months of fees, even if Flock acts with gross negligence or willful misconduct.

Maybe it's worth reconsidering whether this is the company that should be receiving money from the taxpayers of San Diego.

And just so you know, Motorola system works very much the same way as far as sharing.

You can share bilaterally, you can share one way, it works both ways.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Through the chair, I just like to address the uh remarks of the the um expert Max.

You you seem like a really nice guy, uh, and you have a really steep mount to climb because Flock has lost the public's trust.

In essence, San Leandro and every other municipality has been flocked.

And um, you know, despite the assurances of the company, I I have I have no trust in them.

Uh I believe there are other alternatives, and they aren't merely axon and motor oil.

I just you know did a little Google search here and came up with um, you know, a half dozen names of different ones uh for CADA Vigilon, uh, I could go back further and tell you about my other searches.

I think it would behoove us as a city to uh disengage with Flock as uh dozens of uh municipalities have um and to really see who might who might better serve uh our needs.

I just I think the the whole thing about um surveillance is really pretty creepy, and the and with the way that uh ICE and DHS are operating these days, it's uh entirely dangerous and um and we deserve better in San Leandro.

So I'm sorry, but I I my recommendation is let's end this contract.

Oh, I know the other thing I want to say is I don't think we've been given an adequate um what I want to say, audit of how Flock has been used in our city.

Like who who has accessed our data?

Has alcohol and done it as Bianco, the sheriff from even farther south in on it.

I'd like to really, I like to really know.

I I accept the assurances that things have gotten better, but I'd like to understand like maybe how it's been um taken advantage of in the past.

Thank you.

Um there any other public comments on this?

I like to have kind of follow up on on that then.

Max question that I really have is trying to understand, on the one hand, uh by policy, we're assured that we only retain uh the data for uh 30 days unless it's held for evidentiary purposes, and yet we haven't remembered the public saying, Well, no, you you keep data even after contract ends, so how do you put the something doesn't add up there?

Yeah, sure.

So I'll address Mike's comments first.

Um Cahon has pending legislation against California AG's office, the AG's office has pending legislation against El Cahon over this deal and this issue.

Uh, therefore, the fact that there's a pending legal legislation happening, I am not going to comment on that legislation.

What I'll tell you is that El Cahone does currently have the ability to share out of state because of that legislation, uh, and El Cahone can only share El Cahon's data, right?

You can't share another police department's data.

That is the only police department in California because of that pending legislation that has that ability.

Once that legislation is resolved, Flock will comply with whatever the ultimate terms of that are, and you can look that legislation up.

Uh the terms and conditions did just change, they are now congruent with every other technology SAS provider in this space.

Uh Flock does not have access to personal identifying information, i.e., the license plates that are scanned, right?

What we retain is the ability to train our system to get better at identifying vehicles, and because of that, we need to know when a cyber truck is on the roadway that a cyber truck is a cyber truck, not a dumpster, right?

Because the system may think that a new vehicle is something that it's not.

That is how every single company in this space operates.

We do not retain PII, and any data that is retained is stripped of its metadata.

In addition, I can't remember what you last said.

This is like a third time in a meeting with them, and I can't remember what you said last.

Uh oh, Dunwoody.

Dunwoody is our test agency.

It's actually an agency that's next to where I was a police officer.

Uh they have an entirely different contractual structure with Flock.

They allow us to use that system to demo, train, and show it off.

It is completely incongruent with the contract that you have in the city, and every other one of our 6,000 police departments around the country have in their agreement.

Uh Flock employees have zero access to this city's network, period.

Um this just reveals how ignorant I am of technology, but so you strip away some of the data.

Um, when you say the retention period is only 30 days, um, there's some core data that's still held, but it's stripped away of personal identifying information, right?

Any PII and license plate, the actual license plate scan.

So basically, all that's retained is we're using it to make our system better, we're training it, right?

And we are not using that to look at any citizens' movements because that data that actually allows you to do that does not exist after those 30-day periods, okay.

Um I don't know if others are interested, but um, I wonder if since the terms and conditions uh have changed, could we request a copy of the current terms and conditions?

They're online.

Is it on our website?

I mean, no, no, not on our OS on Flox website.

Yeah, we have a ton of blog posts about why they changed.

Uh, we have a public trust and transparency portal.

I highly recommend everyone in this room go to it.

It really does have a really good breadth of information on there.

Um, in addition, we don't change terms and conditions mid-contract.

So if you're mid-contract and I actually don't know specifically where you are and in your contract term, uh, we can't legally change a contract when you're mid-contract, right?

So that's just not the way the law works.

Having said that, our new terms and conditions are posted on there.

The rationale behind it is posted on there.

I highly recommend you take a look.

Okay.com or something.

Flock safety.com.

Fluxsafety.co.

Okay.

And you could just Google public trust and transparency portal Flock Safety.

It should be the first one that comes up.

Okay.

I don't know.

I wish uh Mr.

Roe was here, so to see if he has if he felt that his questions were uh addressed um adequately.

Um but I think more importantly he's uh representing what we've heard from a couple other members of public in terms, so I'm sure uh the trust issue that remains, even though you seem to be making efforts to uh address those, which I guess is appreciated.

Um I don't know what else we can have to offer now.

So the other questions or COVIDs, just I did it.

Thank you.

Yeah, um, thank you for um responding to the email from a member of the community.

Um then this question it might be for you, but it also I think it might be more geared toward um the staff that are here.

Um so my question is um has the police department explored or is there an opportunity um to have a response um from maybe a slightly more um a slightly less partial uh rather than a representative of the company?

Is there an opportunity to have some review or get some information or some questions answered from some other agency or organization that really cares about data and how it's used and um public trust, but that is not a representative where there's a vested interest in getting it right or making sure that it sticks.

I guess I would refer back to the chair on the request was to have a uh representative from Flock to come.

I'm glad that that happened.

I'm just curious in addition.

I mean, I can I think I can answer that part.

Uh uh certainly Mike uh can as well.

There is the electronic uh frontier foundation, um which is very active in this space about uh uh reviewing, analyzing, critiquing uh the use of technology in policing uh and other forms of surveillance.

Um I guess I think if there's interest in this uh body, we could request somebody to come from EFF to maybe give us some basic uh considerate training at this point, but you know, help us understand uh how these things work, what the concerns are from their perspective.

Um that's a suggestion.

Would that be possible, Blake?

Do you think?

I can do it too.

We we need a fresh face, sorry.

No, no, that's fine.

I can I can put you in touch people EFF and we'll do that.

Yeah, um, and is there interest of inviting somebody from the EFF?

The if you remember when we first did our uh made our recommendations on the ALPRs, we had done our homework and we had actually reviewed a lot of material for BFF that was part of our findings.

So uh but hearing from the source might be useful at this point since the concerns continue to bubble up, and you know, we're we need to get more informed ourselves to know what if anything to uh that we might want to propose at this point.

I don't feel we have have enough information to make the call, at least that's my opinion to make the call what we have the other to say no water flux or um, but uh but I do think we should get more information.

Um so uh if I don't know if we need a formal motion to make that request.

You can uh raise it during the request for the church I guess or you know, if we'll have to be taking that general consensus, it's coming around.

So efficiency, um so uh if there's no objection, uh we'll uh follow up and try to uh agenda a presentation uh uh the uses of technology in policing especially uh but specifically uh the ALPRs but others um you know there's we still don't we're still just learning about the use of roads for example things like that and how data from drones can get you know integrated with data from uh well I should ask that question back since you're here um I was trying to follow the debate of Berkeley the who you know they decided to uh make uh continue the contract they have but there was some request to expand uh services with your company that was rejected by the city council later well could you what was that more integrated services that you were offering that they didn't uh I don't care so much to hear what Berkeley's reasoning was but is there in fact a product that you provide that integrates through data with uh with the ALPRs for example uh I I wasn't at Berkeley uh so I can't speak to specifics of that meeting uh we along with numerous other companies offer a program called drone as a first responder if that's what you're talking about uh drone is the first responder the easiest way to think of it is instead of a police officer behind the wheel of a of a patrol car they're flying a drone to 911 calls um this is I don't believe something that San Leandro is looking at uh at this time so yeah uh okay um I'm not sure I got the answer but so there isn't some service you provide that bundles uh data that you would get from your ALPR cameras with uh data that might be uh through the uh drones as first responders for example I'm not I'm not 100% sure what you mean by bundle the data um I guess I don't know either is it the idea that whether that you could access data from multiple the data bases um and uh integrate those to conduct the search or uh so the the drones are a flying camera I understand yeah uh there's no database that those interact with it's a it's a totally separate offering from Flock that's why we need that I'm just I'm just uh showing why it's so important we get somebody else here that talk about this stuff in a more in a more uh intelligent way um but um okay um any other questions or comments uh yeah uh just a casual read of the San Leandro weekly paper uh typically has uh some crime that was resolved and they mentioned that part of the uh the tools that they used was flock cameras so I'm I'm I don't know uh I'm not asking you for an off the cuff analysis I'm just want to know what your impression is either Mr.

Torres or Mr Khan about uh since we've had this tool for a while now uh what are the troops think about using it as it we made the police department more efficient or is it an expenditure that we require your comments someone actually preferred uh uh captain tank because he was our uh before promoting uh was our investigation attempt but um you know before turnover to him, it definitely uh has helped our investigators out tremendously um and patrol as well and helped solve uh crime uh throughout throughout the city.

Hello, good evening.

This is Captain A.

I think your question was asking about a general impression from the troops that actually use it.

So obviously, I'm not offering any statement that speaks any metrics or anything like that.

I can just tell you anecdotally from what I've heard while I was the CID lieutenant from my investigators as well.

Some of the feedback we've gotten from patrol officers while responding to in progress calls.

So I can tell you that the general impression, of course, it's not gonna be a unanimous opinion, probably, but I would say it's it's a pretty large majority of the line staff who utilize Flock believe that it is a it is a very effective tool, just imagine if you had a license plate, which commonly we may get a license plate from a crime that just occurred, or maybe even a partial plate.

Someone just remembers the last three numbers were one, two, three.

Without Flock, we are, you know, our staff there are limited ways in terms we can use partial data of like half of a license plate in terms of how we can utilize that to help solve a crime.

But with Flock, the ability now, greener, you know, Flock isn't the only company out there, but that's the only one that we have.

With the technologies that Flock offer, it will allow us to find possibilities.

Our cameras, and we've strategically place them will also allow our investigators to find out, okay.

Well, this license plate, this partial match was last seen, you know, within a three-block radius of this crime that we're investigating.

So now we have two points of data that help corroborate this might be or most likely is the suspect vehicle.

So that gives our investigators and our patrol officers a chance that we wouldn't have before to be able to quickly identify uh suspect vehicles when there is that data available.

And with Flock's technology, I'm sure you guys are aware, it's not just license plate data that is we can have vehicle make modeled color, so it increases the and again I can't tell you what percentage, but it increases the odds that we are able to utilize incomplete info.

Oftentimes victims and witnesses aren't gonna remember everything, but we can use that incomplete information from a vehicle to allow us to increase our odds of actually finding a suspect vehicle that could lead to the case closure, arrest, or even just recovery of a stolen car.

So I don't know if that answers your question.

I think so.

Thank you.

Okay, we have more than one vendor, by the way.

Those are licensing reads in the car as well.

Great.

I think uh I think nothing else will uh wrap up this early agenda.

Absolutely.

Thank you for being here.

Thank you.

Um before I go, before I go, I'll just say a couple things just in closing, because I'm gonna leave.

I have to love your Bay Area traffic getting back to the airport.

Um, I know.

I'm trying to change it.

My history is a homicide detective.

That is what I've done for most of my career.

Uh I was one of the first flock users.

Flock was not built to give the government more power.

Flock was built to give the victims answers.

Flock was built to solve crime, and what I will say is that the agency that I work for had about a 63% homicide clearance rate prior to us purchasing and really building out our Flock suite.

Um, in the last five years, and you can look this up, we've had a 100% homicide clearance rate in Metro Atlanta.

Those numbers are unheard of.

And if you ask people who are still at the agency that I came from, they attribute that solely to the use of Flock.

This is unbiased policing.

This is precision-based, data-based policing.

We are not surveilling the public.

This company was built with transparency in its core, and one of your citizens did come up here and said something that's absolutely true.

We have lost the trust of the public.

We are making incredible strides to the product to gain that trust back.

And we are one of the only tech vendors in the space who are making those changes to our product to gain the public's trust and transparency into what the product actually does back.

What I'll say also is I'm gonna leave my card, I'll leave a pile of them here.

I am available anytime to hop on a zoom and give a demo of how the product actually works.

I'm happy to walk through and show how the sharing module works.

And I'm happy to come back out and speak to anyone.

Today, thank you.

Thank you.

Again, sure, if I may add one thing because it was brought up of the Alcala Police Department, and as we reported previously, is we do not share our data with the Alcoholic Police Department.

Right.

And it was anyway, forgot with the came up before as a problem.

The park is using the data.

Corrupt.

Right?

I think if you get a request, it's just not gonna be on the correct.

I'll leave these here.

Thank you.

Feel free.

By the way, I'm from Connecticut, so love a nutshell.

I've got more.

You missed the hat.

Um so um running out of time again.

Um I'm gonna request that we carry over the training session so we can actually make that our first item uh for our next meeting on the constitutional policy.

I think and so also if you haven't kind of reviewed the slides that uh are attached to the agenda.

So if you got questions and you want examples of what the you know how those um uh principles actually you know are applied in the in by our department, and uh come prepared so we can make the best use of that.

But my apologies uh to uh Jasmine's disease for not being able to get that today.

Um Chair Bailey.

Yes, I could just for procedural just have a motion to continue that item to the next meeting.

Continue with that.

Oh, I need a motion for that.

Yes, um, okay.

Um, I have a motion to carry over the IPA training of constitutional police authority.

I saw that.

Okay, so I don't second it.

All those in favor.

I think it was five, zero one.

Alright, quickly before we wrap up the uh ad hoc committee reports.

Um obviously, just a reminder we've got three uh ad hoc committees right now.

Wouldn't crowd control, wouldn't uh pursuits policy delete and the third is uh uh community outreach.

So you know, the pursuits crowd control are the uh the two policy areas that are that our committees have been installed waiting for information from the police department and uh Chief Torres um already acknowledged that, and hopefully uh we'll see some progress at the next month.

So uh and we'll just continue to have these check-ins, but I'm hoping we can actually move on on those.

Uh the crowd control one was a series of questions that we asked the department to answer, and pursuits we were aware that there is uh policy to be drafted, and they're being shared with us, and then the committee could then uh uh identify any questions they want or further information, and then they would come back to the full body.

So, but as far as community outreach, we've got a couple of things going.

So, um, I think I forgot something also.

Um, and you talk about the cherry festival?

Oh, there it is.

Um please do.

Okay.

So you guys know the chair festival is like right because weeks, June 6, right?

Um we will try to have to, you know, we need volunteers in two hour increments.

So my suggestion in the past is could we start by 11 and then do it two and then 10?

Because it's just a wait, there ain't you know, I mean 10 o'clock.

Well, I mean I will uh accept whatever you have is so um unless somebody wants to come early and do a cleanup crew, you know, uh me and uh Keith gives it that last year.

But other than that, I will be emailing and asking you guys if you guys can take two hour shifts.

So maybe we can do only 11 to 1 to do what do you guys want to like come at 10 and throw one of those in.

When does it end?

Six o'clock.

So you're gonna man a booth for how many hours?

I'm doing it everybody is supposed to everybody technically is like two hours, like how we've been doing it in the past.

So it's gonna be man for the end duration.

Right.

Well, no, well, I mean, we would try, but I don't know if it's possible with all of our schedules.

It's gonna be women.

Staffed.

Yeah, staffed.

Yeah, staffed.

Just something to consider.

I don't want to believe the point, but at some point there's like diminishing returns at the cherry festival when it comes to tabling, right?

People have moved on and they're doing the concert and fun stuff.

So but we also will need time to set up.

So I'm wondering if we can still do the early yeah, and that that would actually work.

I'm in the parade, and so if I can help set up and then parade and then watch my kid perform, that would be like awesome.

Well that's good.

Last year, because last year, actually, when I did the early thing, it would definitely do because I had to look at it.

Yeah, so we can keep that 10 or whatever the setting.

So you guys want to do like 10, 10 to 11 and maybe help 12?

And they could call it at a certain time.

It's just you know, I mean, okay.

Well then I would say, like, you want to say all day.

I mean, we don't have it enough because I for one don't want to stay all day.

So I mean say that.

So, so we're gonna kind of have you to send out the uh I'll send it out and then you guys I need a response, though.

So I think last year, I know the city prefers us to be able to man the table the whole time.

Okay, but we couldn't last year and I don't think there's any reason for us to think we can this year.

Okay, especially with the one person.

Okay, sorry.

So you I think you should be we should plan on uh covering the table for I would say four of the hours, but not six.

Yeah, so no six.

Maybe do like four hours because with the way that way it's fair for each of the board members for two hours.

So if you send us to send us the time slots, I'll send you guys the time slot, and then I'm gonna already uh pick my own schedule.

Okay, send it to you guys.

Sounds good, that's fair.

Okay, all right.

All right, yeah, that's thank you for doing that.

The other thing is um uh related to what you recorded before.

Um, I'm hoping we can have those info cards available.

Is that realistic in the next two weeks?

Yeah, yeah.

I think uh Eric told me that all he's waiting for is the final we're gonna go crypto's.

Oh, is that what he's waiting for?

The weekly.

That's my understanding.

Are we good to go?

Yeah, but my only comment on the cards um is is that uh there's a variety of them.

Um it's kind of good.

Um the wood thing that isn't on there, but I guess I'd like to see somewhere is our actual mission statement, like we have on the our banner.

There's nothing that really says who we are.

Um, I mean, if anything, is how to contact us?

There's the QR code to get to the uh website, but you know, something that says here's what uh and it's just a one-liner.

Um, but it's that it's right in the ordinance, and it's uh it's in our it's in our annual report.

Sure.

I think it would be useful to have because it looked like there was space that you could probably I think that's the first time hearing that we or maybe I missed it that we want some additional text on there.

Well, no problem.

Yeah, I mean I don't know if anybody else disagrees with me, but I think it's pretty important to have that.

Um if there's a way to do that.

Otherwise, I love the way they look.

I think they you know they do good, yeah.

Appreciate the work.

Um, and I'll and I'll stop making suggestions for the time being.

Till next year.

No, no problem.

Any color preferences?

Um, so I'll give that to you.

You'll notice though that um I am not in any of the pictures.

You are.

Oh, I want to there's one thing.

I was gonna say I appreciate that.

Is it possible to get like an email saying can you add this to the stuff, please?

Yes, I'll send you an email.

Yes, and also the schedule out like the comments.

It sounds like we need to do this quickly.

We're gonna have to be ready for now.

The other thing was we're you had suggested a date for a farmers' farmers market table also in September, right?

I do, that one's confirmed.

Um sorry, things were for reminding me because Eric turned in the form and everything, and so can you send that with your church?

I will do that.

I will do that.

I'll send it, I'll add it all of that.

So, but uh if I remember quickly, sorry, my kind of I gotta go into my uh I believe it's the we're doing it, I think it's either I think it's e I think we're doing it the September, might be December 16th or 30th.

But let me confirm that in an email, okay?

I think the question had been though, since the they've already started the farmer's market.

Can we add to the September date so we can you know take advantage of uh I only got this date reserved because it it was pressing, you know?

Like, yeah, so so I I can work on it another one with Eric, but at least we got this one um reserved.

He felt he filled out the form.

I will send the email once I go check my email once I go home.

Okay, okay, so it'll be with that, yeah.

For the time being the only confirmed outreach events we have are gonna be the straight festival in June.

And we'll put it in September.

For now, that's if we can add more keep us in touch.

But this one is definitely confirmed, represent.

Um, I think that's all we need to do on the uh updates on the committee reports.

There is an action item to uh we're saying form an ad hoc committee, but uh it doesn't have to be a full-blown committee, but on our agenda for the next meeting will be uh the review of our draft uh annual report, and uh I would like some assistance with that.

Um it's not a ton of work, it's really just updating.

We've got a kind of a format that seems to be working okay now, but we just need to update it.

And it's information I need to get from the clerk's office about that on uh terms and uh uh absences that's that's required by an ordinance that we have the attendance record of our board members.

So um is there anybody who would like to assist the um this is something we get have to get done over the next three weeks or so?

If you can stand it, I'm happy to help.

It will be a test.

Um anybody else want to join us because it is gonna be fun.

Okay, we don't need it a lot of time.

It's it we got it.

So excited, I will do that, and so it'll be on the agenda for the next meeting.

So with that, uh I don't think I have to take a vote on that.

Um, but if someone wants to comment, then one of them, a comment on it, okay.

I mean, public comment?

It's the next time officially.

Um so I'm assuming there's no, but lastly, then is uh any kind of closing remarks or um reports uh from the board members.

Um, I'll refer to the uh uh items for next meeting.

Say did you have anything?

I'm just gonna go around it.

I had a statement that I wanted to read.

But is that all right to the end now?

I'm sorry.

I actually found the date that we're confirmed when it's uh farmer's market.

Do you guys want that to write it down now?

Sorry for the interruption.

No, right, nothing down.

Oh September 30th.

30th.

But I will confirm that.

Okay.

Thanks, Jane.

Please go ahead with your statement.

Sorry.

So you didn't?

Oh, that's okay.

Thank you.

Um, so thank you, everybody.

Um I want to start um by acknowledging uh the collective pain and fear that is felt uh in our community when a welfare check ends in a shooting and killing of the person whose welfare is being checked.

Also, I want to state clearly that I support police accountability.

I believe deeply that law enforcement is only as effective as its ability to gain and maintain the trust of the community that it serves.

Accountability, transparency, and public confidence are essential to that trust.

This is not a position I hold lightly.

It's one that I hold dearly with my whole life.

At the same time, I also believe in fairness and that it matters.

Due process matters.

Context matters, and fairness must apply to everyone.

Due process is not just for fun or courtesy.

It is a right that we all hold.

And context is not an excuse, it is evidence.

As a black woman in these United States and serving proudly on this board, I cannot ignore the reality that race and gender shape how we are perceived, challenged, and judged in this nation and in this city, in this city.

San Leandro has a long and painful history of exclusion and discrimination.

That history is not ancient to many of us.

San Leandro is a sundown town.

And it's not that it was, it still is for those of you that are not aware.

And in all the ways that it matters to people like myself and to neighbors that I care about.

This is cultural memory, it's institutional DNA, and the discomfort that still lives in the bodies of black and brown residents who have to decide every day whether this city is a safe place for them and their families to live.

My husband and I had that very conversation less than 10 years ago when we were deciding whether to look for a home here in San Leandro.

We seriously debated whether to even consider this city because of San Leandro's reputation and the stories we heard about racism and the Klu Klux Klan's historical presence here in this city.

That was not folklore or wild tall tales.

It wasn't an academic exercise, it was survival calculus.

The same calculus that black and African-American families have had to do in this nation for generations, and it shaped one of the most important decisions in our lives.

That was to buy our home.

It reminds us that trust is fragile, and history informs how many residents experience public institutions, including policing and city leadership.

So let me be direct.

A woman indicated that she had a medical emergency.

That is not a minor detail, and it deserves to be taken seriously as her fact, not dismissed as convenient.

I'm also watching how this story is being told.

I'm watching who is telling it, who is amplifying it, and who within the department appears to be providing fuel for it.

I am not in a position to make accusations.

I don't do that.

I am in a position to ask questions, and I'm asking them publicly because that is my responsibility.

When I look at patterns, Chief Everett was brought into reform a department with a troubled racial history, now facing an aggressive media narrative that appears to have institutional fingerprints throughout it.

I do not see a simple story about a traffic incident, etc.

I see a family story, a familiar story, a story about what happens when black leadership threatens the comfort of those who benefit from the status quo.

That does not mean Chief Everett is beyond accountability.

No one is.

If there was wrongdoing, it should be examined through a fair, independent, and transparent process.

The same standard we apply to every officer on the force at every rank, every race, gender, and orientation.

That standard has not been applied consistently.

That is itself a form of institutional misconduct, and this board should name it.

I plan to name that.

My hope is that we continue to pursue transparency and accountability in a way that is principal, equitable, and grounded, and the values we say the city stands for.

What I'm not going to do, or where I come from, we say what I ain't gonna do is accept a double standard dressed up as due diligence.

San Leandro has a choice to make, I believe, it can continue its historical pattern of pushing out those who challenge its racial comfort, or it can do the harder work of becoming the city it claims to want to be.

This board has a role in that choice, and I intend to play mine.

Thank you for listening.

Sorry, Miss Salon.

Um Joseph, do you have any thing to say?

Uh real short that you know, I stand behind our chief when she city manager first uh Rob Stellian talked to us about this new chief coming in, and we describe her as it as a unicorn, you know, some somebody very very rare to get to rush to hire her.

So I I stand behind our chief.

You know, there's a I think it's very very political what's going on right now, and uh, like I said, we stand behind our chief, and and uh well hopefully everything works out in the end.

Thank you.

Tim?

Is there anything to I just want to thank Sayer for those wise words?

Well put.

Thank you.

So for me, let me comment on the chief situation.

Um, so first of all, yes, I agree with Joseph.

I stand by her.

I'm not saying whether she's a she should be held comfortable for whatever she's done.

Um, but I'm not gonna say what I think about what I want to say is I think this is me, that we should make assistant chief tourist interim chief.

Why don't we even wasting money to go find another interim chief when assistant chief tours is practically the interim chief?

That's just my personal opinion.

I wanted to say that since he's still here, that I think you should be an interim chief, and we I just don't mean we've been through by two chiefs so far.

That has been issues so far.

We've been through an intern chief, and throughout all this time, we could have been just have you do it because you're basically doing that job.

So that's just my opinion.

All right, that's all I have to say about that.

Right, second.

Thank you.

Um I uh had my piece last time, so I will defer to uh the statements of other board members.

Um, although fair to say I I agree with and support all your points about what we're up against, and uh uh public comments been on point two about the questioning the exploring of the DA's office of Hawaii.

Um but uh hopefully uh we'll get through this, we'll see.

Um I'm hoping that we don't have a protracted uh uh situation like we had with Chief Richards where that would have been for six months at least.

Um so hopefully that that's not what we're facing this time around.

Um, and uh with that, let me just say that for the next agenda.

What I have here is we're gonna we've carried over the constitutional policing um training.

Um we will uh have a draft and report for you all to um review and approve because it has to go to the council end of June.

Um, we'll have any committee updates if there's some some news there, and then in terms of the invitations for the electronic frontier Foundation.

Um, I think I'm thinking that it is July realistic, Mike.

I don't know.

I reached out to my contacts there already, I don't know how quickly they will be available and who will be available.

Okay so maybe if you could just let me know um so this is you know so it won't be on the index agenda but you know hopefully uh ideally July but otherwise it's probably not till September so we didn't you know we recess in August right so um so with that um this meetings adjourned thank you so much