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Santa Rosa City Council Budget Study Session – May 7, 2025

City CouncilWednesday, May 7, 2025
BodySanta Rosa, California
SessionCity Council
DateWednesday, May 7, 2025
StatusFILED
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Transcript — Verbatim
0:03

Good morning, everyone.

0:04

Welcome back.

0:05

The time is 9 01 and we'll call this meeting order.

0:08

Madam City Clerk, would you please call the roll?

0:15

Thank you, Mayor.

0:15

Councilmember Rogers present.

0:17

Councilmember Okrepke.

0:19

Here.

0:20

Councilmember McDonald.

0:21

Here.

0:22

Councilmember Fleming.

0:24

Councilmember Ben Wellows?

0:25

Here.

0:26

Vice Mayor Alvarez Mayor Stapp.

0:30

Here.

0:31

Let the record show that all council members are present with the exception of Vice Mayor Alvarez.

0:36

Thank you very much.

0:37

And now I'm going to turn it over to Councilmember O'Krepke and our city attorney to talk us through the remote participation under AB 2449.

0:48

This is a uh continued um meeting.

0:52

And so uh Councilmember Okrepke is continuing to appear remotely pursuant to AB 2449's remote participation exception for just cause.

1:06

Um that does mean that we will be facilitating public comment through our Zoom platform uh through the remainder of the meeting um today and our the public comment portion um for the study session is um after the uh presentation so at the end so at that point in time we will be taking public comment um both in person and through the zoom platform thank you and before we we move into our continued study session I'm gonna turn it over to council member McDonald for a quick statement.

1:42

Thank you, Mayor.

1:43

Um I will be recusing from um the parks and recreation portion of this um presentation as well as the park and rec part of the CIP budget today at a due to a personal relationship.

1:57

Thank you.

1:59

Mayor, can we please also have Councilmember O'Krepke identify the other criteria under AB 2449 of who is if anyone is present in the room with him at his remote location in the remainder of the statement required under AB 2449?

2:15

Absolutely.

2:15

Councilmember O'Krupke.

2:18

Yeah, uh I will attend this meeting remotely under AB 2449, applying the just cause provision because I have a contagious illness which prevents me from showing up in person.

2:29

Uh I will participate with both audio and video turned on throughout the meeting.

2:33

In this room, I'm accompanied by no one over the age of 18.

2:38

Thank you.

2:38

All right, and with that housekeeping out of the way, we can move on.

2:43

Oops, I guess we have one more pause.

2:48

All right, there's one more piece of housekeeping.

2:51

Councilmember Rogers.

2:57

Um, Mayor, I have the same recusal as yesterday when we discuss anything that has to do with the seasons of sharing, um, which is through CANS, and I am on the board of CANS, so I'll recuse myself from discussion.

3:12

And I just wanted to clarify that um she is an uncompensated um uh member.

3:18

Um she does not get paid, but it is um a conflict not under the political reform act, but it's a different type of conflict.

3:26

Thank you for making that transparent.

3:29

All right, and now we're ready to move on to the main show.

3:31

Item 3.1, our continued continuing review of fiscal year 25-26 operations and maintenance budget and capital improvement program budget.

3:41

Madam City Manager.

3:44

Thank you, Mayor, good morning, Mayor, Vice Mayor, oh, and members of council.

3:48

This morning we will begin uh our presentations with the fire department.

4:00

And just a reminder, as we um go through additional reductions, we do have staff um waiting to plug in numbers.

4:10

Um so we can either make those recommendations as we continue the discussions and have staff go back and do some research, or we can wait to the end.

4:19

So I'll I'll leave it up to this body.

4:21

Uh chief, I'll turn it over to you.

4:27

So Scott Westrope.

4:28

Okay, now you got me.

4:29

Uh good morning, Mayor Staff members of council.

4:32

Scott Westrope, fire chief of the city of Santa Rosa.

4:34

Uh with me is Sarah Roberts, our finance analyst for the fire department.

4:38

And uh we're gonna go through our proposed budget for fiscal year 25-26.

4:42

Um, starting with our organizational chart, um, this reflects where we're currently at today.

4:47

Um we have 165 FTEs assigned to the fire department.

4:51

Um this is reflective of the um positions we're at right now, including the four positions that were um that were given up uh earlier this year at mid year budget reduction.

5:01

So we were at 169 at the beginning of the year, um, we're at 165 now.

5:06

Next slide, please.

5:07

And I'll turn it over to Sarah for the next two slides.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Public Safety██████████████████████████████████34%
Fire Department Funding███████7%
Budget Equity Analysis███████7%
Water And Wastewater Management██████6%
Public Works█████5%
Fiscal Sustainability█████5%
Public Engagement████4%
Parks and Recreation████4%
Procedural███3%
Summary of Proceedings

Santa Rosa City Council Budget Study Session – May 7, 2025

The City Council continued its two-day study session on the Fiscal Year 2025-26 Operations and Maintenance Budget and Capital Improvement Program (CIP). The meeting began at 9:01 a.m., recessed for lunch at 12:54 p.m., reconvened at 1:21 p.m., and adjourned at 5:23 p.m. Council heard presentations from the Fire, Police, Planning & Economic Development, Recreation & Parks, Transportation & Public Works, and Santa Rosa Water departments, followed by public comment and a final discussion on a revised budget reduction package.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Fire Department: Multiple speakers from Local 1401 and community members (Sam Hoel, Carl Carr, Stephan Dalporto, Iris Harrell, Christel Antone, Sam Crenshaw, Jessie Taintor, James Geissinger, Doug Lyons, John Holt, Brittany Ernst) opposed any brownout or blackout, arguing that even temporary station closures would delay emergency response and endanger lives. Several cited the 2017 Tubbs Fire and the recent Los Angeles fires as examples of why staffing must be maintained.
  • Police Department: Matt North (SRPD Lieutenant), Christopher Mahurin, Patrice Seffens, Brenda Harrington, Sgt. White, Brian Fix (SRPOA), and Garrison Swartz opposed cuts to sworn positions, especially the proposed elimination of a lieutenant position, warning of increased liability and reduced oversight. Speakers also urged funding for School Resource Officers (SROs) and retention of the downtown enforcement team.
  • Other Public Safety: Michael Hilber supported budget reductions and fiscal discipline. Jennifer Holmes (Catholic Charities) acknowledged the need for cuts but asked for alternative consideration for the drop-in center and HOST program.
  • Community Services: Renee Rosetti (YWCA) opposed elimination of Safe House funding; Juan Torres (Sonoma C.A.N.) opposed cuts to the Seasons of Sharing program; Patrick McDonell (Legal Aid) warned of increased homelessness without upstream legal services.
  • Parks & Recreation: Joel Stras opposed closure of Ridgway Swim Center, highlighting its importance for swim lessons, Special Olympics, and summer camps.
  • Labor/Process: Matt Finnegan (Teamsters) and Carl Carr (Operating Engineers) argued the city’s projections are too pessimistic and urged the council to slow down and use actual financial data rather than forecasts.

Discussion Items

  • Fire Department (Chief Scott Westrope): Presented the proposed budget and operational highlights. Council discussed alternatives to a ladder truck blackout or brownout. After collaboration with the union, the department offered a 1.227 million reduction alternative: eliminating a deputy chief position, two vacant firefighter positions, two civilian positions (deputy emergency manager and administrative secretary), and additional services/supplies cuts. Council members expressed strong opposition to any brownout or blackout.
  • Police Department (Chief John Cregan): Presented the budget and operational statistics—117,000 calls, 390 illegal guns seized, two homicides in 2024 (down 80%). The proposed cuts included eliminating a lieutenant, one sergeant, eight police officers, and four civilian positions. Multiple council members voiced concern about the lieutenant cut, citing accountability and liability. Chief Cregan indicated he would work with labor to find alternative savings, possibly by reducing a specialty team (gangs, narcotics, or special enforcement).
  • Planning & Economic Development (Gabe Osburn): The department proposed cuts including an assistant chief building official, a code enforcement officer, and an administrative secretary. Council asked about fee recovery and possible efficiencies.
  • Recreation & Parks (Donte Watson): Presented a balanced budget with a 366,000 reduction through fee increases and staff adjustments; no facilities would close. Council supported the proposal.
  • Transportation & Public Works (Dan Hennessey): Highlighted increased capital project delivery and a commitment to pavement maintenance. Council thanked staff.
  • Santa Rosa Water (Jennifer Burke): Presented a 278-FTE budget that returns to normal CIP funding after last year’s reduction. Council noted the utility’s complex regional role.
  • Finance Update (Veronica Conner): Presented revised reduction options reflecting council direction from May 6, including fire department alternatives, homeless service adjustments, and recreation fee increases.

Key Outcomes

  • Fire Department: Council gave direction to not implement a brownout or blackout. Instead, they approved the alternative 1.227 million reduction package agreed to by the fire chief and union, contingent on meet-and-confer with affected bargaining units (including Teamsters).
  • Police Department: Council accepted all proposed sworn and civilian cuts except the lieutenant position. Staff were directed to explore alternative ways to achieve the same savings, such as eliminating a specialty team or through attrition.
  • Homeless Services: Council approved the revised package that restores 50,000 for the drop-in center, reduces Sam Jones Hall funding, and reduces HOST contract savings, with Catholic Charities absorbing the warming center.
  • Recreation & Parks: Council approved the proposed reductions (366,000) including fee increases and elimination of three positions, with a commitment to no facility closures.
  • Other Reductions: Council supported the remaining cuts from the May 6 discussion (including non-departmental and administrative items) as modified, and removed furloughs from consideration.
  • Ongoing Process: The council stressed that this is not a final decision; meet-and-confer sessions will occur before the June 1 draft budget and final adoption on June 17. Council also requested further analysis of outside contracts and potential revenue measures (e.g., sales tax, grant advocacy).

Note: Council Member MacDonald recused from Recreation & Parks discussion. Council Member Rogers recused from Seasons of Sharing discussion.

Meeting Transcript

Good morning, everyone. Welcome back. The time is 9 01 and we'll call this meeting order. Madam City Clerk, would you please call the roll? Thank you, Mayor. Councilmember Rogers present. Councilmember Okrepke. Here. Councilmember McDonald. Here. Councilmember Fleming. Councilmember Ben Wellows? Here. Vice Mayor Alvarez Mayor Stapp. Here. Let the record show that all council members are present with the exception of Vice Mayor Alvarez. Thank you very much. And now I'm going to turn it over to Councilmember O'Krepke and our city attorney to talk us through the remote participation under AB 2449. This is a uh continued um meeting. And so uh Councilmember Okrepke is continuing to appear remotely pursuant to AB 2449's remote participation exception for just cause. Um that does mean that we will be facilitating public comment through our Zoom platform uh through the remainder of the meeting um today and our the public comment portion um for the study session is um after the uh presentation so at the end so at that point in time we will be taking public comment um both in person and through the zoom platform thank you and before we we move into our continued study session I'm gonna turn it over to council member McDonald for a quick statement. Thank you, Mayor. Um I will be recusing from um the parks and recreation portion of this um presentation as well as the park and rec part of the CIP budget today at a due to a personal relationship. Thank you. Mayor, can we please also have Councilmember O'Krepke identify the other criteria under AB 2449 of who is if anyone is present in the room with him at his remote location in the remainder of the statement required under AB 2449? Absolutely. Councilmember O'Krupke. Yeah, uh I will attend this meeting remotely under AB 2449, applying the just cause provision because I have a contagious illness which prevents me from showing up in person. Uh I will participate with both audio and video turned on throughout the meeting. In this room, I'm accompanied by no one over the age of 18. Thank you. All right, and with that housekeeping out of the way, we can move on. Oops, I guess we have one more pause. All right, there's one more piece of housekeeping. Councilmember Rogers. Um, Mayor, I have the same recusal as yesterday when we discuss anything that has to do with the seasons of sharing, um, which is through CANS, and I am on the board of CANS, so I'll recuse myself from discussion. And I just wanted to clarify that um she is an uncompensated um uh member. Um she does not get paid, but it is um a conflict not under the political reform act, but it's a different type of conflict. Thank you for making that transparent. All right, and now we're ready to move on to the main show. Item 3.1, our continued continuing review of fiscal year 25-26 operations and maintenance budget and capital improvement program budget. Madam City Manager. Thank you, Mayor, good morning, Mayor, Vice Mayor, oh, and members of council. This morning we will begin uh our presentations with the fire department. And just a reminder, as we um go through additional reductions, we do have staff um waiting to plug in numbers. Um so we can either make those recommendations as we continue the discussions and have staff go back and do some research, or we can wait to the end. So I'll I'll leave it up to this body. Uh chief, I'll turn it over to you. So Scott Westrope. Okay, now you got me.

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