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Sarasota City Commission Workshop: City Attorney Retirement & MMTIF Update, August 12, 2024

City CommissionMonday, August 12, 2024
BodySarasota, Florida
SessionCity Commission
DateMonday, August 12, 2024
StatusFILED
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I'm having fun in Sarasota.

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I'm having fun.

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And I love you.

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I love it more and more.

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I adore that beat offshore.

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I'm having fun.

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I'm having fun in Sarasota.

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With the sun and the sand and the sea.

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I'm having fun.

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With the sun, sand.

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Our after hour, I love it more and more.

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I adore that Leto show.

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I'm having fun in Sarasota with the sun and the sand and the sea.

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With the sun and the sand and the sea.

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I'm having fun having fun.

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And I love you with the sun and the sand and the sea.

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We're having fun in Sarasota.

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We're the sun and the sun.

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She has to keep soda is unique.

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Beauty stands alone among the rest.

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All right, good morning, everybody.

22:53

I want to call this Monday, August twelfth, twenty twenty-four city commission workshop to order.

23:01

And as we usually do with workshops, we go directly to the agenda items.

23:07

So our first agenda is item one, and it's a discussion regarding the transition and retirement, unfortunately, of our city attorney, Mr.

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Fournier.

23:21

Good morning, Mayor, Vice Mayor, and Commissioners.

23:30

But the subject matter is the transition and retirement of the city attorney.

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It is the only position in our charter that could be internal or external.

23:54

It has been external for at least two decades or more.

24:28

So pros and cons of internal versus external city attorney and staff, cost of internal staffing or external firm to include discussion of any contracts with outside council, if that is needed.

25:00

Of internal versus external city attorney and staff, cost of internal staffing or external firm to include discussion of any contracts with outside council if that is needed, the importance of the charter official positions being independent from one another, flexibility of external versus an internal legal support for city needs, the retention of the knowledge base of the current legal team, continuity of legal support for current city issues, historical discussions that have occurred in the past with the city uh attorney remaining an external firm versus an internal employee, comparable city-county data in the region for city attorney positions and team, consideration of the legal items within the city of Sarasota versus neighboring communities, staffing needs of the city, if an internal department versus an internal or external firm is considered, and then liability policies for the city city may be a consideration during and after the transition.

25:34

So those were items that were brought up and important to the commissioners during one-on-one discussions.

25:42

So those were kind of prompting items for us to start the discussion.

25:54

But I will hand it back to the mayor for further discussion.

25:57

Thank you so much.

25:59

Mr.

25:59

Fournier, did you want to add anything?

26:02

Well, I don't have anything uh really planned in terms of a presentation.

26:05

I wasn't asked to do that, although I could in the future.

26:08

Um but I just think that um probably what's needed it ultimately is some sort of a plan, a transition plan, like a long-term plan, uh, if that could be done.

26:18

And uh there are a few things on my mind, say uh, you know, uh maybe three concerns that I have that I could talk about as we get into the meeting, but I um I don't know if now is the time to go to that or just maybe talk about it.

26:31

Why don't you talk about it?

26:32

Right.

26:32

Well, I think the three things that I was thinking of um in terms of a transition plan are uh first of all, I have uh three attorneys with the firm who are not uh uh retiring and who are understandably concerned about future employment, and I think it's important that uh they be given assurances that they would be uh retained in the service of the city for the time being.

26:52

I don't think uh you know anyone is interested in assurance that they'd be uh have jobs for life or until they retire.

26:58

But through this transition and everything that they decide to say, I think that's very important uh for continuity, et cetera.

27:04

And then three, uh then there's the numbers, the numbers of attorneys in the office were low now.

27:09

We actually need more than five.

27:11

So uh with only three left, that that presents a situation where there really isn't enough for the office to function.

27:18

So uh I think it should be discussed whether I have authority perhaps even to hire a person or two to be there, but that's all part of this transition plan of how how that would work, because I just don't want to leave with only three attorneys in the office.

27:31

I don't think that's sufficient.

27:32

So that's it, that's an issue of the number of personnel and how that gets beefed up.

27:37

Uh and this is all independent of whether it's external or internal or outside.

27:41

That's that's another issue.

27:42

These are just issues that sort of uh survive that are independent of it.

27:46

And then the third one is the date uh that's controlled by my lease.

27:51

Uh, and that's that's uh that's up April 1st, and what I said is why I wrote it last April that I didn't want to renew, you know, for another year, and so that's what drove the March 1st date is to have give me the month of March to vacate.

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Now I'm gonna try.

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I realize that it could take longer than that now, realistically.

28:10

Um we haven't yet, and the tropical storm, the hurricane last week sort of interfered with plans to talk to the leasing agent, the landlord's representative, and see if they would work with us to do some sort of a a limited extension or a month to month or something, if that would facilitate uh a transition, because I really you know don't want to move then at the same time, so that the timing of that so that we have physical space is a concern that has to work into all of this.

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Summary of Proceedings

Sarasota City Commission Workshop – August 12, 2024

The City Commission held a workshop on August 12, 2024, from 9:02 AM to 11:02 AM to discuss two major agenda items: the transition and retirement of City Attorney Robert Fournier, and an update on the Multi-Modal Transportation Impact Fee (MMTIF). No public comments were received. The workshop was chaired by Mayor Liz Alpert.

Discussion Re: Transition and Retirement of the City Attorney

  • Human Resources Director Stacie Mason outlined key considerations for the City Attorney position, which is the only Charter Official role that can be internal or external. She noted that the position has been external for at least two decades. Factors to be considered included costs, independence, flexibility, retention of institutional knowledge, and comparable data from other cities and counties.
  • City Attorney Robert Fournier raised three concerns: (1) providing assurances to the three non-retiring attorneys (Joe Mladinich, Joseph Polzak, John Shamsey) about their future employment; (2) the need to hire one or two additional attorneys to maintain functionality; (3) the office lease expires April 1, 2025, with a planned retirement date of March 1, 2025, and he sought flexibility from the landlord for a possible extension.
  • Commissioners expressed strong support for retaining the current team. Commissioner Erik Arroyo favored an internal City Attorney, with a transition plan selecting one of the existing assistant city attorneys (proposing Joseph Polzak) and allowing the office to hire externally. He also supported using city-owned space (e.g., the Federal Building) to address the lease issue. Commissioner Debbie Trice requested historical perspective from a former commissioner but later agreed to review minutes instead. Commissioner Kyle Scott Battie echoed support for the team becoming internal staff. Mayor Liz Alpert favored retaining institutional knowledge and moving toward an internal model, pending a cost analysis.
  • The three assistant city attorneys (Joe Mladinich, Joseph Polzak, John Shamsey) stated that they have an internal consensus for Polzak to be the next City Attorney, with Mladinich as Deputy City Attorney over litigation and business affairs, and Shamsey as Deputy City Attorney over real estate and land use. They expressed flexibility on being internal or external and emphasized a team approach. They also noted that support staff is willing to transition to city employees.
  • Discussion on costs: Commissioners sought data on real savings versus costs of quality, responsiveness, and flexibility. The City Manager noted that the Sarasota County Attorney budget is approximately $4,898,179 for 26 employees. The Florida League of Cities was suggested as a resource for comparable data. The City Auditor and Clerk offered to review minutes from a previous commission that analyzed internal vs. external.

Presentation Re: Multi-Modal Transportation Impact Fee (MMTIF) Update

  • City Engineer Nik Patel and Nilgün Kamp of Benesch presented the update. The last fee update was in 2016-17. The study uses a consumption-based methodology to calculate the cost of new development on transportation infrastructure. The current calculated fee for a single-family home is about $12,000, but due to Florida House Bill 337 (2021), fee increases are capped at 50% over four years, requiring phased implementation. The proposed schedule would increase the single-family fee from the current $7,300 to $11,000 over four years (starting January 2025).
  • Key points: Fees are based on current construction costs (about $5.7 million per lane mile for city/county roads). The city uses a single benefit district (citywide) to meet rational nexus requirements. Discounts continue for the Newtown CRA, North Trail, and affordable housing units (up to 120% area median income). The fee is collected at certificate of occupancy, not at building permit.
  • Commissioner questions: Commissioner Arroyo questioned the need for an increase, noting the city's fees are already higher than the county's and that the fund balance is growing. He expressed concern about increasing fees during a potential economic downturn. Commissioner Trice noted that increasing fees could help fund desired Capital Improvement Projects (CIPs). Vice Mayor Ahearn-Koch clarified the rational nexus and discount expansion. Commissioner Battie noted the timing issue between fee collection and project completion.
  • Staff response: The increase is needed to keep pace with inflation and construction cost escalation. The city has been at 100% of the 2016 rate, but costs have risen significantly. The fees help ensure growth pays for itself rather than subsidizing growth through taxpayer dollars. The city can also require developers to make off-site improvements as part of site plan approval.

Key Outcomes

  • City Attorney Transition: Staff (HR, City Attorney, City Manager) will develop a cost-benefit analysis of internal vs. external structure, including non-financial pros and cons, and present multiple transition plans at a future meeting. The commission expressed support for retaining the current three assistant city attorneys and moving toward an internal model, with Joseph Polzak as the proposed City Attorney. The office is authorized to work with the current City Attorney to hire additional attorneys to address staffing concerns.
  • MMTIF Update: No formal decision was made. The workshop served as discussion. Staff will continue the implementation process, which includes public hearings and potential adoption of the updated fee schedule. The commission indicated interest in ensuring growth pays for itself and in evaluating triggers for automatic fee review if construction costs decrease.

Meeting Transcript

I'm having fun in Sarasota. I'm having fun. And I love you. I love it more and more. I adore that beat offshore. I'm having fun. I'm having fun in Sarasota. With the sun and the sand and the sea. I'm having fun. With the sun, sand. Our after hour, I love it more and more. I adore that Leto show. I'm having fun in Sarasota with the sun and the sand and the sea. With the sun and the sand and the sea. I'm having fun having fun. And I love you with the sun and the sand and the sea. We're having fun in Sarasota. We're the sun and the sun. She has to keep soda is unique. Beauty stands alone among the rest. All right, good morning, everybody. I want to call this Monday, August twelfth, twenty twenty-four city commission workshop to order. And as we usually do with workshops, we go directly to the agenda items. So our first agenda is item one, and it's a discussion regarding the transition and retirement, unfortunately, of our city attorney, Mr. Fournier. Good morning, Mayor, Vice Mayor, and Commissioners. But the subject matter is the transition and retirement of the city attorney. It is the only position in our charter that could be internal or external. It has been external for at least two decades or more. So pros and cons of internal versus external city attorney and staff, cost of internal staffing or external firm to include discussion of any contracts with outside council, if that is needed. Of internal versus external city attorney and staff, cost of internal staffing or external firm to include discussion of any contracts with outside council if that is needed, the importance of the charter official positions being independent from one another, flexibility of external versus an internal legal support for city needs, the retention of the knowledge base of the current legal team, continuity of legal support for current city issues, historical discussions that have occurred in the past with the city uh attorney remaining an external firm versus an internal employee, comparable city-county data in the region for city attorney positions and team, consideration of the legal items within the city of Sarasota versus neighboring communities, staffing needs of the city, if an internal department versus an internal or external firm is considered, and then liability policies for the city city may be a consideration during and after the transition. So those were items that were brought up and important to the commissioners during one-on-one discussions. So those were kind of prompting items for us to start the discussion. But I will hand it back to the mayor for further discussion. Thank you so much. Mr. Fournier, did you want to add anything? Well, I don't have anything uh really planned in terms of a presentation. I wasn't asked to do that, although I could in the future. Um but I just think that um probably what's needed it ultimately is some sort of a plan, a transition plan, like a long-term plan, uh, if that could be done. And uh there are a few things on my mind, say uh, you know, uh maybe three concerns that I have that I could talk about as we get into the meeting, but I um I don't know if now is the time to go to that or just maybe talk about it. Why don't you talk about it? Right. Well, I think the three things that I was thinking of um in terms of a transition plan are uh first of all, I have uh three attorneys with the firm who are not uh uh retiring and who are understandably concerned about future employment, and I think it's important that uh they be given assurances that they would be uh retained in the service of the city for the time being. I don't think uh you know anyone is interested in assurance that they'd be uh have jobs for life or until they retire. But through this transition and everything that they decide to say, I think that's very important uh for continuity, et cetera. And then three, uh then there's the numbers, the numbers of attorneys in the office were low now. We actually need more than five. So uh with only three left, that that presents a situation where there really isn't enough for the office to function. So uh I think it should be discussed whether I have authority perhaps even to hire a person or two to be there, but that's all part of this transition plan of how how that would work, because I just don't want to leave with only three attorneys in the office.

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