All right, good afternoon, everyone.

It is Thursday, October 30th, 2025, and this is a workshop for the City Commission.

And so I'm calling the meeting to order, and we'll go to our one and only agenda item, which is a discussion regarding the finalization of the City Commission Strategic Plan.

And I will turn it over to Marty Hurwitz to lead the discussion.

Welcome, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioners, thank you for coming here.

First, let me note that staff is here.

The purpose for staff being here is that as you evaluate your projects and language you may want to change, may not want to change, and information you need that you don't have that you would like, they're here to inform you to help you with that process.

Second thing I would like to do is apologize to you all for being a bit inarticulate, which I usually pride myself on not being.

However, I did notice that when I label the projects final projects, that doesn't mean they have to be the final projects.

That is for all of you to decide upon.

And hopefully in our conversation today, we can come to some sort of consensus.

We can't vote, but it would be nice we could come to some sort of consensus.

So staff is also here to help with that.

But again, this project is yours to determine what you want it to be, what language you're comfortable with, not comfortable with.

So it is more than a list of projects.

And the final thing to remember is there are a number of constituencies that will be looking at this plan.

Some of what's in there is to better explain the process and the effort that you all have put into constructing this plan.

And that's for the residents.

And it is an instrument where you all can hold yourselves accountable by looking and seeing.

Mr.

Horwitz, I don't mean interrupt.

Mayor, can I say I need to make a statement?

Um so everybody here is aware in case somebody gets emailed.

Um we are having technical difficulties, so Granic is not working right now, so we're not streaming.

So just in case somebody gets the email or a text or saying why they can't see it, we're having technical difficulties.

I just wanted to make everybody here aware.

Okay.

I was saying they're not hearing that because they're waiting.

You might hear about it or something.

We might hear about it, yes.

So if Granicus isn't working, does that mean we're also not streaming on Facebook?

No, Facebook Live is working.

It's just Granitus, but we'll upload the video after the fact.

We will videotape it and we'll upload it, but we're good.

I just wanted to make sure everybody's aware.

Thank you.

Sorry.

Sorry, Mark.

Thank you.

My hope is this won't take too long.

So I have for all of you the city of Sarasota's vision and mission.

And I also have one on a blank piece of paper so that I can set that out for you, Marie.

Because you need to get to the mic.

Okay.

So give me two of those and one of the different what than what was in the backup?

But yeah, it is.

The backup was a place.

The the backup was a placeholder, and this is not.

So you said two of these?

Yeah.

So what two of those that should say mission vision in the back one should say city values.

So I should cross out what's in the back.

Yeah.

And there's also mission and vision on a blank piece of paper.

So if you want to take notes as each other are speaking, it's a place you can do it, and it can be more easily read and convenient for you.

Oh, thank you.

Both of these are based on the conversation we had many moons ago.

So these are the same.

Yes, they're the same.

The the the one on the blank, the white piece of paper is simply for you to take notes on if you need somewhere to do that.

Yeah, granite is acting up.

Do we need a few more minutes or does it what are we doing?

You're you're reading these.

Yeah.

And making sure it resonates with you.

So I guess my question is because excuse me, I went back to my notes from our February meet to compare what we the consensus on the emission was at that point with what is written now.

So you wordsmithed in the A little bit, yes, which is why it's being given to you now.

Okay, so we should really review it thoroughly.

Um everything I give you now you should review thoroughly because it will shorten the process going forward.

Is is it worth my reading to what my notes were from our February meeting, what our consensus was on the mission at that time.

I you know what I cannot say that for you.

If you would like to do that.

Sure.

Okay.

The mission is to provide high quality and responsive services to our residents, businesses, and visitors while safeguarding our natural resources, preserving our cultural heritage, and building a prosperous community for all.

That's what we that's what the consensus was.

Can you read that one more time?

Yeah, that was just gonna be a good thing.

The mission is to provide high quality and responsive services to our residents, businesses, and visitors, while safeguarding our natural resources, preserving our cultural heritage, and building a prosperous community for all.

Okay, so it's basically the same except for this one has the beginning, which is we partner with our community to protect what makes our city special and deliver what our people need.

And then it's the same, providing high quality responsive services to residents, businesses, and visitors while safeguarding natural resources, preserving cultural heritage, and building a prosperous, inclusive future for all.

Is that that's exactly the same?

Well, except that beginning sentence.

The beginning is different and instead of uh and we did not include inclusive with we had just had building a prosperous well prosperous community for all as opposed to prosperous inclusive future.

Okay.

We had so those were the differences.

Okay.

That's good to know the differences, thank you.

So I and what can I say it again because just as you were reading it, something was ringing in my ear of my phone on do you not disturb the something?

I was reading that and this this was what I had as my notes, if you can read my handwriting.

Okay, yes.

So I I guess I'm I'm just wondering why you know why abandon what we decided in February.

I mean we can always wordsmith.

Right.

Um so I was thinking when I read what we received, that it seems a little long to me.

And although I liked the feel of it.

And what you read to us is a little bit shorter.

It has the same feel to what and so I would go with the shorter one just for the number of words.

If I may interject.

Um I added the word partner because I think that describes the in my opinion, describes the relationship you all want to have with the community.

And I think it's good to define that because remember they are going to be one of the constituencies that are going to be reviewing this and looking at it.

We we c I'm sorry, we could say we partner in providing high quality responsive services.

No, no, no, no, no.

That's fine.

Yeah.

Whatever you all want.

I'm I'm not excited about um providing what our people need.

We also want to provide what they want or they should have.

So I I like the idea of we partner with our community.

We don't even have to say that.

We can just say we partner in providing.

Okay.

We partner.

High quality, which is a dashed words.

Yeah.

But I'm, you know, and the very bottom um I don't I I we didn't say future.

We said prosperous community for all.

I I I prefer community as well to future because I would love to project that the future, but I feel like this is a little bit more about what we are deciding now.

And I know it's meant for the future to guide us, but I I I was thinking that this is more um a referral.

Well, you're not you're not wrong on what you're saying, because a mission statement is more about what we're doing now, and a vision statement is what we're looking toward.

So a mission statement is more present oriented, and a vision statement is more future oriented.

Does anyone else have any other comments?

Because if not, I'll read what we have now and you can all hear it.

Yeah, and usually I have to tell people not to speak so softly.

You'd like to speak a little bit.

Sorry.

Thank you.

Um we partner in providing high quality, responsive services to residents, businesses, and visitors, while safeguarding natural resources, preserving cultural heritage, and building a prosperous inclusive community for all.

I think I made the ch uh made, you know, like on on here I just typed out what she what uh the vice mayor had written.

And um, I wanted to begin it with our mission, not mission is um and adding the partner.

Our mission is to partner with our community to provide high quality and responsive services to our residents, businesses, and visitors while safeguarding our natural resources, preserving our cultural heritage, and building a prosperous prosperous, inclusive community for all.

I don't think leaving out the word our, you know, like it, you know, because we're talking about our community, our resources, not just you know, I don't know, just I really like that, adding the word our okay.

Um also your beginning was a little bit different, which I like also.

Read read your beginning.

Our mission is to partner with our community to provide high quality response and responsive services.

Keeping in the words with our community.

Yeah.

Mayor, just for all of you to think about.

The act of providing the services is not the responsibility of the residents.

It's the city's responsibility.

So I just want you to be aware and think about that in those terms.

I get what you're saying, yeah.

Okay.

Well, you know, I but I think in in some ways we are partnering with our community to provide that because we we get input from our community all the time.

We have CCNA and you know other neighborhood leaders that few if you all and we're do trying to do more public-private partnerships.

Well, yes, that's what my question was was partnering with our community.

What is your feeling of what that means?

Um, does partnering with our community include partnering with you know the county, for example, and the the other entities that have authority, F DOT and so on and so forth.

I mean, we have to partner with those folks because they have authority in our city.

And so I think that we that we we are all pretty active in acknowledging that and being proactive about letting our community know that we just because it's not under our authority, we're not gonna shy away from addressing those issues with those bodies in representing them.

So if that's what we mean by partnering with our community, uh and I'm not minimizing the residents, I'm in it, I'm expanding the definition of community.

I agree with you.

Yep.

I have a question about the need for the word inclusive when we end the sentence for all.

It seems redundant to me.

Either or I I think I think leaving in the word inclusive is better than yeah, and just take out the words.

For all.

Yeah, because there has been a lot of conversation as to who is included in all.

And lots of people have been excluded from all.

So saying inclusive, I think is more effective.

So you wanted to say in building a prosperous inclusive community.

Yep, period.

Okay.

That's great.

Okay, read what you have now, Marty.

Our mission is to partner with our community to provide high quality responsive services to residents, businesses.

Excuse me?

We put an and between high quality and responsive.

Do we want to keep the end?

Yeah.

You can have a comma.

You're gonna have two descriptive words.

Yeah, all right.

We can just do it.

It seems to flow better without the and.

Okay.

Providing high quality, responsive services to residents, businesses, and visitors, while safeguarding natural resources, preserving cultural heritage, and building a prosperous community for all.

Prosperous inclusive.

Oh, I'm sorry, it said it says inclusive community, period.

Yes, I'm an inclusive community.

And building a prosperous, inclusive community.

Now you can have two descriptives like that with just a comma.

Yeah.

You could also put an and between it.

I think it's flows better with just the comma, but that's up to you all.

That's fine, but I think you still left out some of the words.

Well, the words we wanted to leave out.

Well, I don't know if we did.

This is what I have.

Our mission is to partner with our community to provide high quality, responsive services to our residents, businesses, and visitors, while safeguarding our natural resources, preserving our cultural heritage, and building a prosperous, inclusive community.

I I have just a thought about that.

A little bit of thought about that.

Is um because I'm pushing back just a tiny bit.

That's okay.

Um because we are partnering with our community, which includes people outside of our boundaries.

People in the county come here to eat, they shop, they park, they do all those things.

They go to the Van Wazel, so on and so forth, go to the Bay Park, and then they leave.

They're not our visitors, our residents.

You know what I mean?

So if we're saying we're partnering with our community, it should go beyond our borders.

But we're saying our residents, businesses, and visitors.

So visitors sort of covers the people who come in.

But you know, our our job is to be responsive to our residents and businesses and our visitors that we have come.

Do you see what I'm saying?

Yeah.

I I sort of feel like not modifying residents.

The implication is we're talking about our own residents.

I don't think we need to think we need the hour.

Yeah, I don't either.

I think it's redundant.

Yeah, too many hours in there.

But but my concern about redundancy is we use community in the first line and community and the very end.

And I'm wondering if there's a different word that we can use instead of community in at least one place.

You know, if if that's the only issue, what I can do is we're through because I want to make sure we get and don't get stopped by a word.

Um I can get a list of potential words and sit down with each of you individually, and you can tell me this one I like and don't like.

Well, I was I was even thinking we could ask the deputy city manager to go and look for synonyms for community.

Ma'am, did you say you wanted me to go in my office?

No, you've got your iPhone there.

Should take you at least an hour, right?

Yeah.

I think we're fine with that, Marty.

Okay.

And so we can move on.

Okay, so that was mission.

Okay, so now we have vision statement.

Yes.

A city with enduring natural beauty, charm and diversity, vibrant in its diversity, rooted in equity and committed to sustainability, where all can pursue and enjoy a variety of interests and thrive.

Diversity is in there twice.

Using diversity twice, yeah, I don't like that either.

You want to switch the I would put thrive before enjoy a variety of interests.

Somehow it's Thrive while pursuing a variety of interests.

That's even shorter.

Okay.

Okay, so how did you just change this?

Uh city with enduring natural beauty, charm, and diversity.

And here's diversity twice.

So le leave out just vibrant in its diversity or just why can't we just say vibrant?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because that's not doesn't fit.

Yeah.

Diversity vibrant.

No.

It doesn't fit.

I I I do like the word.

You could say vibrancy, and then there it would fit.

It's just the the term.

Um why not say vibrant, comma, rooted in equity, comma, and committed to sustainable sustainability.

Because diversity is where all can thrive while um pursuing a variety of interests.

Natural beauty, charm, diversity, and vibrancy.

Vibrancy.

Vibrancy or yeah.

It would have to be that.

So what would you want it to be?

What did you say?

Natural beauty, charm, and diversity, dash, vibrant, comma, rooted in equity, comma, and committed to sustainability dash.

I don't think that means anything.

I think I think perhaps what the mayor said when she said vibrancy.

So the the vibrancy before the dash.

There's no dash.

There's no there's no dash.

There would be a city with enduring natural beauty, charm, and diversity and variety.

Diversity and vibrancy.

I think you still need the dash before rooted in equity and committed to sustainability.

Well, that or uh you know, maybe a semi-semicolon.

Well, the semicolon implies it's a new sentence.

And I think that a dash makes it uh flow better and gives it more continuity.

But it has to be an M dash.

It can't be a uh hyphen dash and it can't be the long one.

It has to be an M-dash.

Right.

That's what I said, an M-dash.

Yeah.

Which is what he has.

Right, which I had um where is it?

I don't see it in there.

Yeah, look before vibrant.

Oh no, that's it.

That's a hyphen.

Oh, my.

That's a hyphen dash.

Oh, no.

Okay, you're looking on the big one here.

Yeah, no.

No, it's it's it's um mine here has a little hyphen.

Oh, yeah, yeah, you're looking at the at the word file is the one you told us to write it.

Formatted one.

Yeah.

Well, how about just say vibrancy that is rooted in equity and we don't have to worry about how it's presented.

That's good.

I like that.

What if we just said vibrancy rooted in equity?

You don't need the word that and we'll make it three or four words shorter, or would you like that is?

Well, uh the question is where are we putting the vibrancy?

Are we putting it with beauty, charm, and diversity, or we are we putting it with rooted in equity and committed to sustainability.

Let me guess what.

That's your call.

That's your call.

Somebody read it out loud to me, please.

Okay, hold on.

A city with enduring natural beauty, charm, diversity, and vibrancy that is rooted in equity and is committed to sustainability, where all can pursue and enjoy a variety of interests and thrive.

Uh-uh.

Where all can thrive and pursue and enjoy.

While pursuing a variety of interests is what was said.

Yes.

I I I think the issue were waiting.

Thrive while pursuing a variety of interests.

I like that.

And we talked about whether we should have the words that is before rooted or not.

I think I like those two words in.

It flows better because you know, we have to figure out what the you know, punctuation needs to be there.

So I just clearer.

I don't know what that is, an M dash.

If you were writing it, you'd put those long dashes, and they're called M dashes because they're as long as an M as opposed to an N dash that's as long as an N.

Well, no kidding.

Statement sort of is not an aside, though.

That's the you know.

Did you learn that from your typesetting days?

Yeah.

I I took a degree at UCLA in publishing.

I kind of like them too in certain places, but this is not an aside, so this is a very good thing.

Okay, are we are we good?

I think so.

So want to reread it?

Sure, one of you be read it so I can make sure you uh yeah, the same thing.

A city with enduring natural beauty, charm, diversity, and vibrancy that is rooted in equity and committed to sustainability where all can thrive while pursuing a variety of interests.

Yep.

Sounds good.

It sounds very good to me.

All right.

Okay.

And so you know that the values you were given are the city's values.

Those have not been changed in any way because they are all over the city.

Okay, next is I just want to very quickly um go over your seven guiding principles that we came up with.

I don't see that.

Was that in the backup or did you change it?

I mean, I know it was in the backup.

Yeah, it is, but I can't look at it because I also brought I also brought a sheet for each of you, so Mayor Granicus is back up now.

Oh, is it?

Okay.

Yeah, so I brought a sheet for each of you.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

That's okay.

I think you want to give you more than one number.

These came out of the last workshop, so I wanted to make sure.

Are they is what's on this page the same as what's on this page?

Yes, it is.

Thank you.

Choose the one with the larger type.

That's what I'm doing.

Yeah, the back out material printed.

Yeah.

Okay.

Oh, that's right, because I don't I only ever use printed.

No.

Okay.

Do you want to say raise your hand when you finish reading?

I was just waiting for everyone to look up because I assume when they look up they're not reading anymore, but I'll I'll start by saying if we do all this we'll we'll be in really good shape.

Oh yeah.

But I mean obviously these are principles and I'm assuming that except in situations like this people will not be necessarily reading the whole page at one time because there's some redundancies, but if you were looking at a specific principle, what it says it it says what it needs to say.

But I keep seeing on several of them sustainability, yeah.

They're combined on a lot.

And the I mean we can cut this down if you want, and the other thing to remember is probably where it will be most viewed is with regards to as uh there are the markups in the in the uh plan you got that making sure that all of these principles are touched through all your okay, so it's structured in a way where there's the project there's the princi there's the principle and the projects, yeah, you know, on the same page.

So it can be seen and that's probably where how it's going to be read, and it won't be read as a grouping like this.

So that being said, it might be important for us to have redundancy in some important words.

But but also, you know, I I keep thinking of the guiding principles that they constantly talk about at the bay every time they do a presentation to talk about the guiding principles and how it informs what they do.

So I don't know if we necessarily need the redundancy in terms of that we should, you know, one of the guiding principles is sustainability and resilience.

Um another is um expand housing opportunities and affordability, celebrate arts, culture, and history.

They're they're they're different disparate things.

I'm not sure there's I'm not sure there's actually that much redundancy in here, but that's for you all to decide because remember one thing.

Most of the people that are gonna be reading this don't have all the information in their head that you do.

No, but when we're working on things as, you know coming up with policies as a commission and staff is looking at stuff, the guiding principles should be, you know, guiding what it is our you know we are doing.

You know, should it should meet you know one or more of these guiding principles.

So why why why don't we get specific as opposed to general?

And if I mean um numbers one and two, I think what hit me initially was the word resilient and resiliency, but I think in number one we're talking about resilient people.

As opposed to number two, it's climate resiliency.

So maybe there's another word to use in number one to clarify that we're talking about resilient people.

So maybe there's another word to use in number one to clarify that we're talking about resilient people, or you know, enabling resiliency among the you know our residents and our communities and our businesses.

Yeah, because safe, welcoming, and resilient to me made no sense in terms of the, you know, because I'm thinking of resilient climate.

Yeah.

Yeah.

How about just eliminating and uh eliminating resilient?

Foster foster a safe and welcoming community.

Um I I don't know.

Uh uh for me the resilient thing was uh it indicates um that we are um fostering a community where we're helping to prepare our community for uh or move forward in best practices.

Best practices for our our um coastal community, best practices for some of the the things that we know are you know that we need to be prepared for, especially after last summer.

So for me, resilient takes in not only a resilient spirit, but also that we are encouraging um you know, if your house gets knocked down by the hurricane, you're not gonna rebuild, you know, uh you're not gonna encourage them to rebuild the same structure that was destroyed.

So what else do you mean by resilient?

Yeah.

Um I guess it's a i I guess it's a sense of of um pr protection in some ways.

I don't I can't quite quite my feelings.

If I may I could be interpreting it, Commissioner, if I may make one comment.

If you were to remove the word resilient.

And don't forget, along with each of these is what's going to be underneath it that's here now.

And that's gonna be the context.

So the context really is promote public safety, community well-being through inclusive policies, preparedness, partnerships that adapt to evolving needs and definitions over time.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, it's so if we go back to foster a safe and welcoming um community.

Or foster a safe, welcoming and inclusive community.

I like it.

Vice Mayor, did you have something?

Yeah, somehow I would like to include strong.

And I don't know if it's the word strong, but what I see in the resilience is that you know if your food stamps get discontinued next week, that you will be able to adapt, recover.

Um maybe your community will help out, the city may help out, but resilient to be able to withstand other problems, not just climate issues.

What about healthy?

Well, that's that sounds sick.

I mean, that sounds like illness.

No, but I mean in terms of whole wellness, not uh one's health.

I like strong.

I do too.

You know, that word came to my mind as well.

So we'll we'll at least stick in strong for now unless we come up with something else for safe at the meeting.

I like that.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

I'm not sure if that's that's okay.

That um, could we ask the other thing?

I don't think that's good.

Synonym for song.

It's a good thing you kept all those dictionaries from high school path.

Yes.

Dictionaries.

You know, we can work with that and change it if we wish.

So we'll try to, yeah.

And and we will be finally finalizing this at a commission meeting, so we have between now and then to find a better word if we come up with the remember the purpose of what we're doing here is really to get enough material to put something complete together for you all to review and not feel that there are going to be an extraordinary amount of changes that need to be made.

Okay, do you want to review the next looked up synonyms for strong?

How about robust?

I think out of all of the ones I'm looking at here.

It seems there's a cinnamon synonym for resilient, just out of curiosity.

Safe, welcoming and robust.

I I like the word, but I wonder if a lot of people wouldn't know what that means.

I think people know what bus means.

Do you?

Yeah.

Sure.

Well, well, I'll put that in parentheses we'll go back to it.

Okay.

All right.

I just wanted to or what?

You said resilience.

Strong resonated with this one is the number one.

This one and supporting economic vitality and sustainability.

Those were the top two.

That uh, you know, there's like overlap here.

It's it's you know, he put on here this and this, which which ones these meet.

Right?

So this one is supporting economic vitality and culture and history.

This one is strengthening infrastructure and supporting economic vitality.

So the most common of our principles, it's this one, fostering safe, welcoming, strong, robust community, and economic vitality and sustainability.

So those are the two most popular categories.

So wordsmithing those, I think are really is what I'm saying is really important.

Those I mean they're all important, but they seem these two seem to be top on the list.

As far as I'm adaptable.

That's a that's a um synonym for resilient.

Instead of strong, robust, I think.

If you're gonna want the word adaptable and the second principle, not the first.

Not the first.

Okay.

So we'll leave.

Yeah, that those were strong or robust.

I frankly, you know, after we solved that resilient problem in number one, I was happy with everything on that page.

Everything else?

Yeah.

I like it too, but I'd like to quickly run through the items and talk about them or not.

Uh do we need to massage the statement underneath the first guiding principle, or is everybody okay with that?

Um I'm okay with the statement under it.

Yeah, it was just the the title that wasn't that it didn't fit to me.

The second one.

There was a word you said might belong in there.

Well, um, the mayor had brought up adaptable.

Advanced climate research to remove you know it's environment it can be climate adaptability.

I think I like resiliency in this resiliency there too.

So that's I have another place I think we can put adaptable.

Okay, so you like that word.

Um I'm okay with the um statement underneath that as well.

Uh the words sustain and sustainability is there twice.

Um sustain the future.

Yeah, I don't like sustain the future.

Embrace the future.

Adapt.

Protect.

Well, we but you're already saying the future by protecting natural assets.

So um Mr.

Robinson?

Okay.

You guys have to give me a little lead time.

I'm still working on resilience.

What if we just simply remove the word sustain the future and just say protect natural assets, etc., etc., etc.

And get rid of the beginning of that sentence.

Good, yeah.

Just you make them act words instead of gerunds.

Promote, protect, invest, encourage, promote, elevate, use data.

Yeah, they're all that's then they're then that's much more consistent.

It's good.

So we're at protect net protect natural resources, integrate green infrastructure, and prepare for climate impacts with long-term sustainable strategies.

We have to use the word green infrastructure.

By the way, um, Vice Mayor, it says natural assets, not resources.

So that's an issue for you.

I just wanted to point it out.

No.

So but green, you don't know.

I'm not loving that.

It just seems like a trendy word to represent what we mean by it.

Right.

I'm sure there's a much more technical term that we could be using instead of green.

Staff.

That's why they're here.

Well, that's where you would put um well, no, green, resilient wouldn't be there because you want to you want to emphasize that you're using renewable technologies.

Hey, that's it.

There you go.

Instead of green.

Well, no.

No, because that doesn't fit with the infrastructure.

So we have to do that.

Green infrastructure is says it all.

Yes, somebody.

What if we put quotation marks around green?

Somebody, anybody?

Anyone?

No.

Mr.

Cobra.

Nobody's jumping out of the room.

We have a word.

Mr.

Patel.

Ms.

Thornberg.

How about it?

Well, we don't have we just could say integrate renewable technologies and leave out Mr.

Cobra, do you have a word?

Don't.

Okay, Mr.

Bullock, it's you.

Pat is still at a loss for words.

But renewable technology makes sense.

Instead of green and just and just take take take out green, integrate renewable technologies.

Which is what we've been doing, actually, with you know, like that.

Technology is singular or plural.

Plural.

Protect natural assets, renewable technology.

Because there would be more than you know, there are more than one, yeah.

Renewable technology.

Let's see.

So then take prepare, preparing would now become prepare.

Isn't the word infrastructure important?

Um not say not technology.

Mr.

Bullock, do you see those as meaning the same thing or something different?

Infrastructure is too hard to say.

Okay.

And I I think when you say integrate renewable technologies, um I think it goes without saying that that's for the infrastructure.

All right.

And technologies is a broader category than technology.

Right.

So the IES is important there.

Yeah.

Um just a comment and I will check it out.

But the word renewable is describing technology, and that is a singular category of technology.

So I can check it out.

I'm not sure.

Yeah, I would check because I'm not sure that that's correct.

I'll check.

I'll go to Funkenwagnell.

But so if as I see it right now with saying protect natural assets, integrate renewable technologies, and prepare for climate impacts with long-term sustainable strategies I would say through.

Through.

Through instead of with.

Yes.

Good.

Okay, I'm done with that one.

And enough of it.

She's decided we're moving on.

All right, let's see We got another green for you there, Jan.

I know.

Strengthen infrastructure and connectivity.

Green alternatives.

Do you want to just change green to clean?

No.

No.

But I don't want green either.

Invest in reliable modern infrastructure.

Reliable.

And promote multimodal alternatives.

What about just multimodal alternatives?

Good enough for me.

Invest in reliable modern infrastructure and promote multimodal alternatives that connect people and places across the city.

How about throughout the city?

Well, because I think we're the green though implies something else.

So again, it's sort of like more of the electronic or electronic, I mean electric powered.

But we've covered green in number two.

Right.

So if we're talking about the case, well, that's true.

So we're electric vehicles all over, we can say number one and I mean number two and number three.

True.

Yeah, we've already talked about we're doing renewable technologies.

And multimodal, I I could be wrong, but it it is already a green renewable.

of the um electronic or electronic i mean electric um powered but we've covered green in number two right so if we're talking about electric vehicles all over we can say number one and i mean number two and number three true yeah we've already talked about we're doing renewable technologies and multimodal i i could be wrong but it it is already a uh a gr a green renewable it's uh you know if you're putting fifty people on a bus that's much more renewable than if everybody drives their own cars so I think in and of itself it denotes I think the vice mayor made a good point that it that it's worth taking a moment to point out for all of you to remember each of these doesn't have to be complete as a standalone but when they're all put together it should be complete so something to remember as you go through these.

And can I just add a quick side note to everybody who's watching or listening into our staff in the in the audience sorry we're belaboring every word but a reminder we don't get to talk like this ever.

So sorry we have to put you all through this but this is our only chance to have these kinds of conversations.

We can't do this in private unfortunately all right I got the answer on whether technology should be plural or singular I think in the con in the way we're using it it should be technologies.

You use singular technology when speaking about the field or concept in general or plural when for referring to different types of specific examples of renewable text so I think we're we're doing different things different types so I think we're saying technology.

The plural yes yeah sounds good thank you I learned something chat GPT oh I don't believe that's a source of sometimes poor information but going so going back to the description on number three are we eliminating green and then I suggested instead of connecting people in places across the city be people in places throughout the I like that I like that too okay I'm done with that one.

Me too number four anyone want to comment on that vitality and sustainability We just like the word sustainable and resilient resilient there we could say adaptable instead of resilient I think that would be a good substitution there.

Encourage diverse adaptable local economy because you want your con your economy to be adaptable to changing economic conditions through innovation workforce development and thoughtful investment and long-term prosperity and thoughtful investment period.

Yeah okay yep it's much better okay yeah well if it's going to be sustainable it does have to be long term so I'm saying it's redundant.

Yeah I'm agreeing.

Okay I wouldn't make any changes to the next one.

Yeah I agree do we want to say celebrate the arts do we want to say what now say that are we all on the one that says celebrate arts culture and history do we want to say celebrate the arts add the word T H E or our I I think it's okay like it is.

Okay I think it's okay like I think it um aligns better and flows better with the sequential words if we just say if you just say arts culture and history.

Okay I'm okay and I like that you're using the Oxford comma oh I know the two of you I I in all honesty in all honesty mayor yes in a meeting with Commissioner Ahern gotch there is no way I would bring something with using that comma so I'm happy with number six as is great on this is my favorite enhanced data driven governance and transparency.

Enhance data-driven governance.

And transparency.

Is enhance the right word?

Promote.

Promote.

Promote.

Yeah.

Or encourage.

Encourage.

But we're not encouraging transparency.

We are talking about data-driven governance, though.

What about the word implement?

It sounds like we don't do it already.

And we do do transparency.

Transparency.

This conversation that everyone is subject to.

What did we say encourage?

Um, because that that sort of, I guess you know, I sort of implies we're not doing it.

Uh-huh.

Um support.

We've used support before.

Foster.

I like that.

That's encouraged, same thing.

Well, foster is a little bit stronger, I think, than encourage.

Foster's our first one, foster a safe welcome.

Oh.

You know, you don't have to have the first word in the sentence.

This is up to you all, but it doesn't have to be descriptive.

It doesn't have to be descriptive of both.

But we should have a parallel construction.

That's what I'm saying, yes.

So if you want to say enhance data-driven governance.

I think whatever I'm saying is you could have two words instead of one.

Well, could we do two verbs?

So it would be one verb before transparency and a different verb.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

So that would that would indicate if we can leave it at his enhance, it indicates that we are already doing it, which we are, so we want to make it better and enhance it and encourage transparency.

Well, I would think of the other way around because enhance transparency and promote or you know, data-driven governance or embrace I don't think we have to have a verb at all.

You know, what parallel construction we're going to do.

It's sort of like the Oxford comma.

Get out my funk and wagnels.

So Kathy, didn't you have a you just gave a good verb, I thought, for data-driven.

Um promote or foster.

Foster.

But we yeah, we put that at the table.

We have that first one.

So we want to do some other verb.

Unless we wanted to do enhance transparency and foster data-driven governance governance.

Oh, sure.

Doesn't matter.

Yeah, you could do that.

Say that again, Debbie.

Enhance transparency and foster data-driven governance.

It's okay like that.

Says what we mean.

Okay.

So if I have it right to enhance transparency and foster data-driven governance.

And and I'm gonna then throw in on a a monkey wrench because while we all want transparency, isn't one of the things that we want to improve our community, Mike.

Yeah, improve our communications with the community.

So while, yeah, that's transparency, but f foster improved communication.

But is that under this Yeah, it would be under here.

It's in the statement below.

Yeah, improve communication with the community.

Yeah.

So we are so is that transparency or is that okay.

Or I would think enhance communications and then maybe stick transparency in the statement.

Well, it says ensure accountability.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

I think I think the sentence below.

Okay.

So when somebody asks, what do you mean by that?

You go to the next sentence and communication is in there.

I guess I'm a little confused with the use data and technology to inform decisions.

What does that mean?

Technology.

Like I mean, we're all using computers.

I mean, what are we talking about?

Well, I mean there's new technology and the combination of data and I mean I'm looking at other places that have dashboards on their website.

Absolutely.

And and the members of the community can go on the website and identify what's happening, what's the status of something in their neighborhood.

There's so many things that we're not doing that we could do to improve communication and awareness.

That's another piece of technology.

So technology is software programming as well as hardware.

So we have click to fix.

That's technology that helps in you know inform our decisions about what needs to be done.

So some communities would have a dashboard related to click to fix and have live numbers about how many people filled out a click to fix, how many responses have been successful.

Um I think we're working on a uh revision to our website, so those are things that we sh I think we should really consider adding.

And that's what Mr.

Bullock looks like he's gonna say that.

Right.

Mr.

Bullock.

We have lots of opportunities in the measurement and reporting of information.

You know, the organization runs on a immense amount of data, but but you typically don't see it or even know that that that's occurring behind the scenes.

So there's there's real opportunities and to revamp how we present our information and also to identify areas we can make improvements to.

Right.

Thank you.

All right.

So I think we did those.

Yep.

Um okay.

The the next thing we're going to do is um go over a project list, and there's a way I feel would be very productive to do this.

Um it's been about an hour and ten minutes.

I don't know if any of you need a 10-minute break, five minute break, or anything.

So if we do, this is a good place to do it.

Thank you.

Oh my constant you're I forgot we're like this is a meeting.

Okay, it is 2 07.

Um let's be back at 2 20.

We're in recess.

All right.

Uh welcome back, everybody.

We're going to uh call back into session, the city commission workshop of Thursday, October 30th, 2025.

And it just seems to stare.

It's finally 220.

Okay.

So when we uh went to break, we were getting ready to start uh work on the final project list.

So let's maybe, madam mayor.

Before we move on, I just wanted to confirm that there will not be numbers on those principles.

No, there are no numbers on principles or anything because if someone sees something numbered one that think it's the most important and weighted the most heavily.

And unfortunately, I wish we could even have them in different orders on in different in different reports, but yeah, I just wanted to confirm that the numbers really were for you our use in the discussion.

The numbers are for your use in the discussion, not okay.

Thank you.

Okay.

Uh as we look at our proposed project list.

Um I think a positive place to start is so we can get through as many as possible.

Is there a consensus?

And this is not necessarily about the language, because that's going to come after this.

Is there a consensus on the projects?

No.

No.

Okay.

So let me let me do this.

So I know where we stand, and you all understood how we got to these.

No.

Would you let me explain that to you?

Two factors were taken into account.

Basically, the number of commissioners that wanted a project, and the weighting that was given those projects as to how important they were to a commissioner who selected them.

Okay.

Well, when you you say how I I guess I saw three different things in those ten.

Correct.

Was included.

So that was the first five.

Correct.

And then what you just said would be the second.

The second tier, the second five.

Okay.

And the reason why I asked for you to provide your sheet on how you came up with it is we found that that was very useful when we were, you know, City Manager Search 1.0 and seeing what everybody weighted things.

And as I was looking at what you gave, you know, the sheet that you gave, the next three um projects on the 10 project list were selected by three of the five commissioners.

The last two were only selected by two out of the commissioners, which if there had been a vote, that vote would not have passed.

And I also saw that there were really a total of eight items that two commissioners favored.

So my concern is how you got to the two that you chose as opposed to the other six.

Some of the line items were things that some of us might have seen were already in action, already happening.

So why use our priority number on something that was already happening?

So then the question is if something's already happening and it's not in this top ten, does it stop happening?

Are we going to stop fixing the bathrooms because nobody put that on their priority?

So I'm my question really is looking at at least the eight that two people supported, and maybe even give us each an opportunity to convince the others or at least one other to support that project, so that we would have a majority supporting the other project.

So I do think it's good to come up with a process for this now that you're all together and you can talk about it with each other.

There's no reason why you all couldn't feel the same and come to a consensus about it might be best served if a minimum of three commissioners were in favor of a project, and if a minimum of three were not outside the five, then that project would not be included, which is why in the beginning I said ten is not a number that's engraved in stone.

So you know, we could we could look at the five that we want to come to.

I mean, the second five.

Do you want are there three that you want?

Is Vice Mayor, is there a project in particular that you are thinking about that perhaps you would have been very interested in had you not felt it was already ongoing?

And I might add that because something is an ongoing project doesn't mean it can't be prioritized to bring it under the purview of extra accountability.

That's all.

Well, well, the the thing that concerns me is we were really asked to state these in terms of projects.

So in many instances, we did not indicate what the overriding objective was that that project would support, or we didn't indicate which of the um mission principles, what guiding principles it was supportive of.

You did do that, so thank you.

And and I subsequently tried to do some wordsmithing.

And you did that, and thank you.

And those these projects have been put into the guiding principles.

Right, but the the way some of them were stated, I wasn't really sure what the objective was.

Um and and when I send you some my wordsmithing last week, uh it was my guess at what the objective was.

So if I have to guess what the objective is, I think it makes it much more difficult for staff who's trying to say, oh, okay, this is the way we implement that project, but I'm not quite sure what their objective is.

And I think you I think the you're very correct with the value of the engagement of staff and the necessity of their understanding of your goals, which is why they're here, because this between you and staff is a bi-directional conversation, because they need your guidance, and they are here to help you understand that what can be done in a certain period of time, in their opinion, and then you decide.

But so there is the opportunity for that bi-directional conversation now.

Yeah.

So I know that the others probably have a sense of how we should go through this.

I would appreciate however you all would like to go through them to do that, but I also would like us to have an opportunity to go through the eight projects that two people put in their priority list for there to be specific discussion on those to see if we could build support for any you know, any of those to move them to number nine or number ten.

Um so I hear what you're saying, and to me it would be efficient use of our time to go through those that we have right here.

Then when we're done, go to the other two or other others that only two people.

So you're saying go through the eight first eight, because number nine and ten were only chosen by two people.

Well, yeah, but I I don't even think we have to worry about who chose us either.

I think we should just go through the list and say, you know, how many are for this and not for this, and you know, do we still want to keep this on the list or don't we?

Sort of just like we did the wordsmithing, and let's just go through this, and then if we don't have ten at the end, we can then pick, you know, you don't need ten.

Right.

And we don't need ten.

But there could be other ones that could be included that didn't get included.

If we eliminate some, we might want to add something else.

That's all I'm saying is that we might want to put in things that were not included here.

Yeah.

I I have a question about sort of the format of this.

Um, because I'm I'm going off of um, you know, the old strategic plan that we had when I was elected, this is what I we inherited.

Um have you seen that?

Never seen any strategic plan coming out since I've been on the commission.

And so this one for me was quite valuable.

Um it has it here like you know, by topics, and it so it has environment environmental preservation and sustainability, residents and neighborhoods, art and culture, growth and development, parks and recreation, health and safety operations and administration.

And underneath those categories, which is like our guiding principles, there are a variety of different projects that fit under those categories.

So for example, under um arts and culture, it has key actions, historic preservation, Newtown Historic Conservation District, Bayfront 2020, future performing arts facility and symphony center, roundabout art program.

So those all fit under the arts and cultural, with the goal being place added value on our communities' history, arts, and culture, and create avenues to sustain and protect them.

So that's the sort of structure that I know and was comfortable with and was expecting.

But you can put it in that format and make it measurable.

Yeah, you just have to do that.

You can't do that.

Yeah, you just have it specific.

I mean, like in this one here, sorry, it it's it's environmental preservation and sustainability.

One of the actions is establish a City of Sarasota Climate Adaptation Plan.

The city did that.

Check, done.

I mean, there's a list right here.

There are seven of them under there.

Did that one check so we don't have to include that one, maybe uh in in this sense we could say update that plan, you know.

So it's a it's an actionable thing that we can do.

Um and so that I'm this is just what I was sort of explaining.

So as long as there's something that's actionable that we can measure against that that that's fine.

I mean the milestones are supposed to do that, but that may be too specific for what you all want.

But I do think it's important that today we come up with the process and what we're gonna do.

Well, let's go back to then, you know, if we're gonna like put them under our guiding principle um areas, then you know what projects go under those things.

Yeah, that's simplifying.

Yeah, if you look at if you if you look at the the mock-up that you were given.

There are projects, there are principles, and there are milestones with each one.

Now, we can change it any way you uh would like to change it.

But I hopefully we can leave with with the process we want to have today.

In this project list, you're saying there's milestones.

No, if if you go on your computer that because you didn't download it.

And the pages that we can make copies of that.

But I don't see projects.

I didn't know.

Which the language changes.

Oh, a date.

Yeah.

I have one to give to everyone.

I brought it.

You don't have to, I brought it.

This that might be helpful at this point, at least to see the objective with the line with the item.

What are you looking at now?

I I did some wordsmithing of those ten, and I tried to rearrange it to highlight what the objective was and the proposed action.

So, like that first one which reads, assessed the current state of what needs to be decided and finalized to move forward with the PAC.

I made a suggested rewording, make an informed decision whether to move forward with the Sarasota Performing Arts Center or to cancel the project, and begin the next steps.

So it was clear, you know, and it was an action item.

So I as you can see I did that with.

Can we take a moment to read through this?

Yeah.

And bear in mind that that was the ten that we were given, and I, you know.

As we go through these, I would like I think it'd be important for us to have input from the city manager and staff, as I read the item regarding the pack, I thought, oh, I'm when I read the one about the Van Weasel, I thought, well, do we even need that one now?

Moving forward with it as far as I know.

But then Wesley, yeah, we're we don't then the thinking might be we're underway with that, but we haven't completed it.

And so you might want to keep it in.

So when we get to that one, I'd like the city manager to opine on.

But I don't want to lose one of the others that's further down because we are including the Van Ways.

Right.

Someone's watching.

All the rest are that I draw a voice.

And I just want to add, I had to guess at the objective on some of them.

So this was just throwing out thoughts.

But what you were saying is that is here to help you with that.

So to what you were saying about the concern that there are probably things then there we should talk about and include in this, and the idea that it's going to be too much, more than 10 or less than 10 or whatever.

If it's structured like this is, then it just leaves it whatever fits fits under that category, fits under that category.

And we don't have to worry about other 10 or the 12 or their 500 or they're and if if the point is that we want to express support for something that started to continue, you know, the the supporting of that project, like you were just mentioning about the Van Wasel, if it's hardening it or whatever, um, it could stay on here, and the words could be continue to support the hardening of the Van Wazel, no no no no.

And it could fit under our sustainability piece or our invest in our culture uh section.

I mean, does this ruin the structure that you've put in if we have a look at this kind of structure?

Here's the first thing.

It's not about ruining the structure that's there, it's about reflecting what it is that you all as a commission want.

So everything's malleable.

I just want to make sure we don't get so lost in the weeds that we never can bring a project to completion.

That's all that's all I'm saying.

And to that end, because I do agree with you.

I have here if we took these projects, for instance, I have which guiding principle aligns with each project.

Thank you.

You know, so for instance establish a circulator trolley tram that aligns with three and four of our guiding principles.

Although they have no numbers, but it does align with three and four.

Or have a report prepared evaluating cities' current initiatives to expand the inventory of lower cost homes, etc.

etc.

etc.

That aligns with one, four, five, and seven.

So I mean, we we have that information.

I have it here if and when you want to go uh over it.

So what let me ask you, each, what would you like your task to be first?

What would you like the first thing you would like to accomplish now?

So I'll start.

Um I see us right now going back and forth between content and format, and that's making me crazy.

Um I would like to focus on content.

Uh because that's what we've studied and prepared for these pages that we received from you that had the project and then the milestones, and then the uh guiding principles that the projects support.

If we want to change something as we go through that, that's our prerogative, but at least we'll be moving forward.

Once we've finished with this, we can come back to format and plug anything into any format we want.

Yeah, I can I could even share this with the other commissioners if they want to have a read through it and say this is not a good idea or it's a good idea.

Yeah, I I think it's a good idea, and I would have gone not necessarily for format per se, but I think in order to do content well, it would be helpful to identify which of the principles is the key one for each of these items, so sort of divvy it up the way the previous plan was, because even though you said the housing one, you pointed to one through four and and five, we've got number five is specifically housing.

This is an economic thing.

And then once we've figured out what category the item is in, then we could probably refine the wording and see how many people are supportive of that.

Well, I think I think I think that's um, you know, I I I think we should do that, but I think we should only do that after we've decided what the projects are that we agree.

I think we should agree on that first, no matter how it's worded, um and and decide what projects we want to include, and then we can figure out what category it goes under and refine the the language or whatever it is.

But I think it you know it it doesn't make sense to do it for a project that we all will decide that we don't want in there.

So I think we should and when we're finished with that, if we notice that there are a few guiding principles that have no projects attached to them, then we can go back and find anything.

But let's just let's agree on projects first.

Okay, so I I just I did want to point out though that in this plan there are um so for example under parks and recs, it says establish a parks district.

Um develop a master plan for Bobby Jones.

Okay, preserve and expand public access to the waterfront.

That is so big and broad that stays in, you can never really check that one off because you're gonna go you know over and over again.

Then it says support efforts to connect the legacy trail to the city's pain park.

Check, you know, so it the list is combined of ongoing uh goals and efforts that you're never gonna check off, you know, like k like opening up access to the waterfront, and then things that you will check off.

So um that's sort of what I wanted to say.

We don't have to be limiting ourselves to just projects we're gonna check off the list.

I I I just want again, we uh I want to make sure that we don't get so far forward that we're unable to have the building bar blocks and um resonating with what the mayor said.

I think that the building blocks are the projects that you want.

And I think it would be very productive if you all could come up with the projects you want, and we can do whatever we want beyond that that we have time for.

But if you've approved a mission, a vision, guiding principles, and projects, you know what?

You will have accomplished a lot today.

So you know, I think these are the Lego pieces that we need to identify.

I agree.

Well, let's just let's let's take them one by one.

Okay, you know.

Okay, I just want to ask what is the plan for the first five, which were defined as each one of us had a number one project, which maybe nobody else likes that one.

Well, we're gonna go through them now.

So so if I'm hearing that say one of those things, if the commissioner who said this is my top priority, if nobody else likes that one, we'll cross it off.

Is that what we're saying?

Vote today.

Well, I know, but we we would have some sort of uh consensus or plan, this is what we will present at the meeting.

So I I want to understand what the intent is.

What are the headlines?

Yeah, I think the intent is because if if a if a commissioner has something that the rest of the commission doesn't support, then it's you know, it's it's gonna go by the wayside anyway, so you can't really include that as a project.

But isn't that kind of like voting on something?

I mean, I don't think we're voting.

I think we're deciding.

But we are kind of if it nobody supports it, and we say, is there consensus and four people say no?

I mean, isn't that kind of like a vote?

Yeah, well, I don't know how else we decide on what the projects are.

Yeah, I mean, these are specific projects in here.

That's you know, that's the thing.

I don't know, yeah.

I don't know how we decide what the project is.

So today we go through all of them and refine them.

And at the meeting, when we have a longer list than we really want, we vote and eliminate some that only one person or less than three wants.

Yeah, and I don't know that we have to like say this.

It can be a good idea.

I just don't want to wordsmith them until we go and vote on which ones we're gonna have.

It doesn't make any sense.

So then we should ask.

So I agree with you, we don't want to spend time really wordsmithing thoroughly, but it makes sense to discuss each one and get a sense of the commission whether or not this is going to be on the list for us to consider at the meeting.

Is that makes?

I think so.

I I I would just say please please caution us if we get into dangerous land.

Absolutely.

I mean, nothing you're doing here today is a final formal legally binding vote.

Um I don't have a problem with you discussing and whittling down possibilities that will be then put to a final vote at a at a subsequent public hearing that'll be noticed and you know have public input and all that.

So uh you know, if if I'm hearing what the vice mayor is saying, I I think that that works, and that is not a formal vote.

Okay, good.

So we can kind of explain.

Whittle down.

We give your opinion and whittle down.

Now, if if someone I for example, at the subsequent meeting wants something brought back up that having whittled down, they're free to do that, and then you can take a formal vote on it.

But I don't have a problem with you whittling it down today.

Would you would you all feel comfortable limiting the conversation to this list of projects and talk it so you want to go back to the original I would like to discuss each of the items, project items that two or more commissioners supported.

Okay.

Not bother with the ones that only one commissioner supported, not bother with the ones that no commissioners supported, just the ones that two or more supported.

Well, I I I think then we get we gotta sit down there and we gotta go, okay.

Two more supported this one or this one.

Let's just go through them.

Just let's just go through.

Then we have to sort through it.

Why don't we just go through it one by one?

And if there aren't two people that say I want uh you know, I want to put that on our list, then we know that only one person supported it.

Uh you're just looking at the 10, not the 16.

That's right.

Okay, but we can look at the let's start with the 10 and then we can add the 16.

But I I also wanted to say that there were some items where only one commissioner, I believe, supported it, but I wanted to understand the reasoning why they put it on the list to begin with.

And maybe I I misunderstand them.

And so if I got an explanation, then I may feel differently.

So that's where the discussion is making me.

Okay.

So where are the commissioner um uh uh Ms.

Griggs, you look like you want to say something.

Okay.

Um just note.

Your out time is four.

I'm saying that because that was noticed to NF4, first off.

Secondly, if you guys are gonna do this, you need to go ahead and make a decision on what it's gonna be.

If you're gonna go through them all, go through them all.

If you're not, not but we're we're doing more back and forth than making a decision.

So let's just try to figure out what does everybody want to do.

I don't have a preference.

I'm just letting you know what we need to try to move to that.

And the back and forth is getting us nowhere.

Nowhere.

Yes.

So let's figure out what we want to do and then also note be mindful of your time.

Well, let's Mr.

Bullock.

Mayor, maybe I can offer something.

Please.

Um we're prepared to do updates on at least seven of the ten things on the list, if that would help the commission to understand current status.

So versus just the words that are here, you can you can get briefly an understanding of where we are with them.

And that may help you say we'll yes, let's keep it just go do that.

We don't need it as a priority.

It's already three quarters underway or or or whatever.

But we are prepared to do that if you want to go through Okay, give give me those seven.

Okay.

Uh and and the one I'd like to start with uh is a little out of order, and that's the uh update, assess, and review economic development in Newtown.

And I have a very practical reason why Wayne has to leave shortly, and he's the most knowledgeable person about that.

Uh and I would hate to uh not have his ability uh uh beyond that.

Then we also have the uh state of the uh performing arts center, the um uh um Van Wazel.

I'm sorry, I was catching up to myself here.

Um uh several inform a lot of information about the first street and also the status of general workforce housing.

We have an update on St.

Armand's.

Um we have an update on uh well it's not really an update, but a status report on the rosemary parking, as most of you know, and I do not have one on park district.

I do not have one on um uh specific on data-centric, and I do not have one on uh trolley tram.

Okay.

All right, and and I don't even know if we need the updates, because if we're if we're working on these already, we've already authorized them in effect.

And so those seven should stay on the list, I would think.

Well, the the idea is that if they're underway, and Mr.

Hurwitz was saying this, and even if they are underway, we may want to express support for them as a priority to continue to be underway because you know we're not the be all end all of the commission, right?

This body changes.

So we we already authorize them to move forward with these things.

So these are projects that are already underway that we authorized.

Yeah.

So in other words, we would leave them on the list.

You know, we may need to work wordsmith them, but we already said go do this.

So could we start by getting an update on uh Mr.

Appleby's item?

Well, well let me we need do we need the update though?

No, we won't I mean Mr.

We have time for seven updates seven updates, so that's that's my problem.

Let's start okay.

If it's may I interject for one thing?

If it is underway.

And because it's underway, it's something you want on the list, understanding that there's no limit to the number to the maximum or the minimum.

Just consider for now those seven projects on the list and work on other projects right now to make the best use of your time.

However, um the vice mayor did suggest language that um may be important for us to discuss uh of those seven items.

So just I'm just saying there's language that is suggested that refines those seven.

Uh I and I agree with the I agree with the Vice Mayor and my opinion as the way to do this.

Um I do also feel that that is something we know needs to be done.

Yet it's also good that if we could leave here with a certain just a group of projects that you all may feel are worth considering.

Then we will have a c really accomplished something as opposed to coming up with language for two projects.

I would like to get the updates quickly.

Well Okay.

Yeah.

But I I I personally think it's a it's it's a waste of time to get the updates for today.

May I make a suggestion?

I would like to hear just to check off what the seven items are, and then after we've checked off what those seven items are, then identify which one, two, or three we need an update on rather than go through all seven.

Does that make sense?

So we're not going to spend the time on all seven, but you know, if we need an update on any of them, they're here.

Okay, so which are the seven then?

I have six listed.

I missed one of them somewhere.

May I do them again?

Yes.

And can you go slowly?

Because I'm going from the full list here.

Okay.

Performing arts center update.

Uh I have that's the first one.

Oh, wait, wait, that's not on here.

Um that's the top of the list uh final project.

Well, I'm going off the big list.

Well, it'd be simple.

Oh well, go off this list, and then you can simpler.

These are the the seven are on this list.

Uh final project list.

Okay.

So this one the first one's an update.

Yeah.

New town.

That's the third one.

Uh one, two, three.

The next one is Van Wazel.

The next one is First Street.

Then St.

Armand's.

Okay.

Then inventory uh what has to be done for inventory of lower cost homes.

So the inventory thing is proceeding.

Well, we can get to that.

If if you want to know, I'm happy.

We're happy to do those seven.

And there is a little bit on the on the parks discussion because there's is some activity with the your advisory committee or uh concerning park districts and things like that.

So really there's eight.

Okay.

That we're prepared for.

It doesn't mean you have to, but we have information to let's hear it.

All of them?

I'm okay with hearing all of them.

I I don't know what the I don't understand though.

I I guess I don't understand how that helps us.

We know that they're working on these eight that we already approved that they work on.

So we already have that on our list.

So what does the update how does the update inform us today to get to the idea of which projects we're gonna include?

Well, for ex for example, the the Van Wazel one, that was the my number one priority was to harden the Van Wazel.

Right.

And it's being done right now.

I would love an update on that, but not at this meeting.

See, it's not it's not relevant to what we're doing.

I was gonna ask this meeting.

Yeah, I was gonna ask, can we just ask for an update at a regular meeting to say, hey, can we ask for an update from the city manager regarding those items that were have already been kind of started and pushed through instead of today?

I don't think you have time today.

I think we're kind of commissioner.

I think with that we're kind of getting off topic a little bit.

And we if it's important we stay on topic, and it and it seems that working towards just working towards uh a more concretized priority list of projects is how we should be spending the last hour.

Okay.

So whatever takes us closer to that goal is the way we should be spending this last hour.

And I'm not saying you shouldn't get update, get your update, but maybe like look, we can do it at a different meeting.

We're happy to do it at a regular meeting.

Yeah, let's do it at a regular meeting.

Quick quick question again for the uh city manager.

If somehow we did not include one of the projects that is going on right now on our list, that wouldn't mean that you'd stop it, right?

Let's take the the most obvious example.

We're probably not going to stop hardening the Van Wazel unless you all make a motion and direct us to drop the tools.

Yeah.

So um I you know, these are some of these we're deep into.

Yeah.

And you know, we're plowing along, and an update at a regular meeting would probably be beneficial.

I try to brief you individually, but we all spend time doing different things in our 101.

So uh we're happy to do a more comprehensive update.

So that be an agenda item so that we can actually talk about some of the words in these things?

Yeah.

Yeah, no yeah.

That's what you all want to do, we can do that.

And these are on a placeholder somewhere else.

Okay.

So it would make sense to me that we not talk about those eight items that Mr.

Bullock listed and discuss the ones that were not checked off.

That leaves two.

Well, there were two and two and then we could still add up.

Six more.

Yeah, yeah.

All right.

Because these are already done.

Okay.

Okay.

So the one that was not on there was a circulator trolley, uh, tram serving downtown garages, Main Street, Bayfront, and Bay Park.

Uh, and Rosemary District.

Um that one is mine, and when I have a chance, I'd like to explain what the intent on that one was.

And uh and the my wordsmithing, I added uh the general objective was to make downtown venues readily accessible to an increasing number of daily visitors by providing the fixed route circulator tram between the garages and downtown destinations, including Selby Gardens, Van Wazel, the Bay Park, and Rosemary District.

To my mind, this would be step one in a three-step process to get visitors to downtown to accept the idea of parking in the garage because they can quickly get to where they want to be.

After people get used to and rely on this fixed route tram, then we can build a large structured parking garage in the Rosemary District, which would support both the Bay Park and Van Wazel and the Performing Arts Center and downtown with that same tram circulating in that area.

Once people are now comfortable using the garages, using the tram, then it makes it more acceptable to move forward with the main street redesign, which is going to remove a lot of street parking.

So all of these things are dependent on each other, but we need to start someplace, and that's people were very happy with iRide, but by having this circulator tram, it'll get people used to going from the garage to exactly where they want to go.

So when you say fixed route tram, I imagine rail.

Okay.

So I I think a fixed route tram is literally rail.

So I would say a um a circulator, uh because a fixed route means it's fixed and that's fixed in time.

We don't have to word smiss it now.

We just want to we want to approve the concept.

Right.

But see, for me, the concept is fixed rail, no.

No, no, circulator, yes.

So I I meant to that's where the details matter.

I meant to differentiate it from iRide.

Because the I could never take IRID because when I wanted it, it was never where I was.

But if you if there's a certain route that you know this thing is going to take, like like the Bay Runner.

Yeah.

Or I'm sorry, the Bay Runner, let's call it the Bay Runner.

Yeah.

So, you know, if it's a route that you know where it is, that makes people more comfortable with it and use it more.

And the reason I used tram is I'm not thinking in terms of a something big like the trolley.

I'm thinking of maybe uh 10 to 16 passenger little thing to some extent like what you take at Disney World.

So I don't again, I don't think we have to discuss what it should be.

Do we like the concept?

I think we should do it.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

As long as it does not.

So we didn't.

No, we can't do that.

As we may move forward, may I ask a question, Ms.

Mayor?

Yes.

Um given the time it is and what there is to do.

Um, do you feel it would be appropriate that if someone is presenting the reasoning for their project?

They have four minutes.

You don't even need that long, I don't think.

But a short a short reasoning if they think it's necessary, but you know, if if we can, you know, eliminate as much, you know, as much explanation as possible by stuff but still letting everybody know what it what it's for.

Um so the next one that's not checked before designer process which allows decision making programs and setting up priorities to have a strong data-centric perspective.

So that one's mine.

Um my whole career I had to provide data to show that I was successful in what I was supposed to be doing.

I don't think we do that so much uh in government.

And now's our chance to encourage this city to become more data-driven, more accountable from the top, what we're doing today, down to city manager, deputy, everybody should, down to the individual, should have performance indicators so they know they're accomplishing the job they've been directed to accomplish.

Um that kind of accountability also is good if you want to implement a merit-based pay system, which a lot of uh companies and governments use today.

I think that's an excellent idea.

I'm okay with it.

I'm good with it.

I understand what your idea is.

I feel like most of the things that we do in the city are data driven.

You know, we have we have traffic studies, we have, you know, I mean, there's a ton of data that we get before we make decisions.

So I don't know that we're not doing that.

Uh maybe include a you know, enhance our procedures, but we also don't want to make them so just a checklist because as government there's a human factor too.

It's not a corporation.

So a lot of cities have live data on their websites.

And they the public looks to that uh and sees they're accountable.

Well, I think that's a good idea to get that on the website.

So if that's what's included in here, then I'm then I'm okay with that.

Yeah, I I like that idea.

Okay.

And this might help the other items that two people supported.

Okay.

So these are the other See.

Okay.

Well, let's just see what what I I just want to go through items that haven't been discussed yet.

That's it, we're done.

Well, no, there were there were six more.

There was there's other items.

Yeah.

So let's see.

I think we have that.

We have the yeah, we already have that we're looking at the Rosemary District parking.

Uh the workforce for see two in the con in the Where?

Is the par uh Mr.

Bullock is the park districts under something underway?

Yes.

He said that there is something, yes.

And it's it's more than a park district, but yes, there are some things happening specific to that.

Okay.

So here's here's one that is not on this project list yet.

Um this is mine, uh redesign of Fruitville Road and proceed with the next steps.

You know, and I think that's partially underway, isn't that, Mr.

Bullock?

They're they're working on that now because we we directed that it has to be redesigned because we have to be ADA compliant and expand the sidewalks.

You don't have to do the uh do uh an update, just let us know.

You can come up and just let us know that's being worked on, correct?

Where's that one on here?

It's not it's your approved.

It's on the it's on the list of scoring sheet.

So for the record, Nick Patel, uh public works director.

So we did uh initial traffic study to do analysis and we collected all the data.

So we have a study, which we did last year.

At this point, we're at we have about 12,000 in the CIP for the Food Railroad, and um we're looking at different funding sources to to try to move that, move that forward.

But it is still a priority.

Okay.

All right, thank you.

Um should we put that on the list because it is one something that is being worked on already.

Well, do you Mr.

Bullock?

Well, it just understand buried in Nick's comment is there is no additional money.

Right, exactly.

But in order to pursue the additional money, then it has to be authorized that we it has to be something we want to do.

You can make fine funding.

Yeah.

The project you want.

Doesn't that's how I have to be it can be midway in a project.

See, and I'm supportive of that because of our connectivity principles and economic uh sustainability pr principles to enable um, you know, the whole downtown core neighborhoods, et cetera, is a walking community, and right now Fruitville is a barrier.

So just to encourage more business, you know, across on both north and south of Fruitville.

I think it's important to go ahead and do the Fruitville project.

And and activity with the bank.

Well, for us to encourage a project and a Fruitville connectivity project.

The one that we already approved.

I don't know that we I don't think we've approved it totally.

We just we just said we know we have to make it ADA compliant and widen the sidewalks.

Right.

So no no plan, no plan has come forward yet.

But just those two items, right?

Those are the two that we had talked about as a commission and voted on.

Right.

But that doesn't mean that it can't be redesigned.

They have to do a design to widen the sidewalks and create the connectivity.

That's part of doing it.

Right, but we voted on something already for Fruitville Road.

We this commission already voted on something.

But we didn't vote on a design.

We voted on widening the sidewalk.

Regarding Fruitville Road and what we're still wondering about.

Thank you.

And is it in the CIP, which is the beginning of the real planning process?

Yes, so we're still in the early phases.

No design has been done on it, and we've not brought the design.

I know it was brought a couple of years ago, but that didn't move forward.

So we have to do a a new analysis to understand the new traffic patterns and we have to move forward.

We don't have funding to move forward with the design on this project.

Excuse me, may I reframe this for and perhaps if you all looked at it in the following way?

Is the redesign of Fruitville a project that is a priority for you?

Yes or no?

For two of us it is.

For two of us it is.

We're trying to find out if the not from me.

Okay.

Um it depends on the design.

That's the thing.

We can't have the design unless we make it a project.

To get a design to see if you want to approve it or not.

What?

I'm fine.

What fine with what?

With with it being moving forward?

So we got a third person.

Okay.

We're not voting.

No, we're not voting.

But we need, you know, to know is there a majority of people.

I think we can say it's fair to remain in consideration.

Does that violate anything?

Yes, that remains in the process.

If that makes us move forward, yes.

Yeah, we haven't, yeah.

We haven't formally voted on it, but there are three of us who want to leave it on the project.

So what's the next what's the next project?

The next one is a two.

Oh, okay.

So two, two.

Did the threes already get on?

Yeah.

Yes.

Okay.

All right.

Uh fruitville.

Did we set that one on?

I think we have that on on.

I think that was the last one.

We got that one on.

Um, it wasn't.

Assess, initiate, expand.

I guess it's not.

Assess, initiate, expand, revise, and or eliminate affordable housing options based on up-to-date data.

I think that that sort of is under the there was uh uh evaluating the have a report prepared.

Yeah.

Uh yeah.

So I think that that goes under that um item.

Okay.

Um two with design a plan to spend on the tree fund.

Yeah, that's the other one.

Is this this is not on here, design a plan to spend down the tree fund by planting trees.

I don't I I don't I don't think I think we're I think we're doing that anyway, so I don't think that's I don't think that's a priority list.

I might that might have been something I wrote and um I volunteer that it not be on the list.

Okay, thank you.

Understanding uh the undergrounding, we already did that, so um you know we're doing that uh on the barrier islands, so that I think gives us a uh a start.

So I don't think we need to include that one.

That's you know, we're not gonna do it be doing it citywide anytime soon.

There is also one um status report of goals and uh the re status report of goals and status report of and status of the cities 3D imaging capabilities.

Wait, wait, wait.

Wait, we we still we still had one more left on that page.

Create a program to enhance communication success failures and community around disaster performance and resilient planned government or improvements.

That's the next one on the list.

I I don't think we need that one.

Well, let Commissioner Aaron Hutch talk in support of it.

Okay.

Um that has me as that being my number one.

That has me as that being my number one.

That wasn't my number one.

No, it doesn't have that as being your number one.

On this list it does here.

Yeah, because on this list it was one through nine.

Because your number one was automatically put on the list.

So this is your number two.

This is your number two.

The ranking was one through nine.

Okay.

So do you feel that our um communications during emergency situations could be better?

I I think that the an evaluation, given that we had last year, uh we could learn a lot from what we actually we planned for and that we act what we implemented and what we can do better.

Uh I think that that would be something that would be extremely valuable for our community.

Um and for our staff and for us as well to know that we're learning from our mistakes that we actually implemented and this is how we're going to go forward moving this is how we can fix it and make it better.

I think that would be an incredibly valuable thing for us.

And that fits under our communications uh principle.

And also the safety one, fostering a safe.

Yeah.

Um I'm wondering if emergency operations or whatever they're called, did a debriefing within the department within the city at large to determine how well they did after the events last year.

And if they said, here's what we did great, here's what we did okay, here's, you know.

If Mr.

Robinson would put your way, yeah.

We did do a debrief.

I don't know if we codified anything in a document for release, but I we did go through yeah, every department with Mr.

Kirkring before he left to discuss how we could do things better in the future.

Obviously, we have a great opportunity now that we have a new emergency manager on board.

And I'm sure we can go back and get some, you know, the nice thing about bringing folks in sometimes that are haven't been looking at the organization for a decade.

You learn things that they bring to the table.

So we can absolutely do that.

Yeah.

So if you at some point present a recommendations to us and it doesn't have to be on the priority list.

Yeah, it could be on an agenda item.

We can actually do that.

I'd love to get her in front of all you all of you anyways, just to discuss what your whole document that when the neighborhoods ask us about it, we can say here's the document.

Sure.

All right, you heard it.

I didn't say what kind of document.

But yes, we can actually do that.

Yes.

I don't think we need that then on a project list.

It's get that update.

Um that's the end of that page, and there should be one more in the next I think there is one more.

Prepare a time law.

Uh reveals revisit and evaluate the city's hardening and resiliency plan and budget for a robust sustainability plan.

Kind of the same thing.

Except for the sustainability plan.

That would have been, you know, we do have the sustainability plan, um, the evaluation, and then how the adaptation piece of it.

Uh that that's uh similar to this, where you can actually go through it and check things off and say we did this, we did this, we did this.

If we updated that, then we have a uh still a roadmap going forward for us as a city.

Um I'd also like to point out that that plan was originally when it was originally done, a piece of its value was in grant applications.

Um a lot of times when you apply for grants, they want to know that you've got a plan, not only how to use the money, but how that money is going towards a plan that was discussed and adopted, and that you're impl you're using those monies to implement something that's going to make the community safer or um you know more resilient in certain ways.

And so uh it helps sometimes in grant applications.

It seems to me that we have seven or eight items on the list which we will support continuing the work that's already underway.

And I lost count, maybe we have five more that we want to consider at the um meeting.

There are 12.

There are 12 on the list as of now.

Okay.

But eight of them were to continue.

Yes, and one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.

I only have eleven.

Um I have I have I added approved redesign of one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.

I'm sorry, eleven.

Fruitville was the eleventh.

Okay.

And I don't have, yeah.

And well, well, we yeah, but we kept it on the on the original ten.

Right.

We kept it, so that's I only have eleven.

Yeah, eleven.

But but I mean, uh I was just thinking separate into two groups, one which would be to continue the work that's already underway for eight, and then initiate.

Initiate three more.

Well, you can do that by the way you describe or in the formatting.

Yeah.

Yeah, the the way you describe it in the are we still talking about revisit and evaluate the city's hardening and resiliency plan?

I I was focusing more on the sustainability assessment and adaptation plan.

So it's an assessment and update, it would be an updated assessment and then a plan to adapt.

So I I I think we have the plan.

We do have one, but I'm talking about updating because in that plan, there are items we can check off and say we did this, we did this, we did this, we did this.

But we could continue with that.

So I don't know if we need to update it.

I think we need to continue implementing it.

Uh my suggestion is that we update it.

It's been uh 10 years.

Well, I was even thinking updating based on our experience last year.

Yes, updating it based on last year.

So it's not true, it hasn't been 10 years.

It was in 2018.

And so, you know, it's it's been vote update resiliency plan.

And that it does require some significant work on the and again, if it's on this plan, it does show that your focus is on this, and given the environment and the expectations of everyone and their concerns as they will be part of the people reading it, and it's probably a good thing to have there, but that's up to you.

And Vice Mayor, have you seen the climate adaptation plan?

Do you need me to give you a copy of that one as well?

I don't know.

Okay.

I can't.

I'm sure the um city manager can find one and and get you one as well.

I would love to have a copy of the strategic plan.

Right.

The street strategic planning.

I think we do have a photocopy.

Commissioner, how would you describe what you just described?

How would you like it described?

Um it's a um climate vulnerability assessment and adaptation plan.

Update the update to that, yes.

Because we have one already, just have to update it.

Okay.

Uh may I ask, do we so it's not sustainability?

Yes?

Well, it it it did it did, it did address sustainability.

That was that was the generic term for the plan.

Yeah.

And there was an update in 2024 that did come to the commission, but we can we can look at it again.

Okay.

Thank you.

All right.

So we have 12 that can come forward for for a vote at a later.

Anything else you all would like to discuss with regards to projects?

Yes.

Okay.

Um I very specifically, I think there was one that Commissioner Batti had put on there about a bridge at 21st and 41, I think was the was the um place where you had put that.

Are you talking about uh the uh Whitaker Bayou bridge?

Is that it?

Okay.

Okay.

That's um uh that is something that I I was unsure of.

Um that is uh you know a project I think is really important, and I know that it's F DOT and staffsman talking about it, and um it's really important for connectivity, and it's uh an aging bridge.

And I don't think it's come to us.

So I would love to hear update from staff or someone where we are with that because that's a very important piece of infrastructure.

So do we want to put that on this?

I want to I would like to make it something about whether we have to put it on there if it would make it 13.

We don't want 13.

No.

I don't think we care, do we?

If we're gonna have to depend on the just get an update on it and get that that's what you're asking, is just an update on the and um wait, where is that one?

So we're not gonna discuss any of these other ideas in here?

Is that what we're saying?

We can.

We got 30 minutes.

Yeah.

Because um, I have like I have other ones that I would want to just.

Yeah.

Uh you know, um of the topics is the administrative only approval process that we have and having um meaningful and accountable citizen input.

Um that's a topic that you know the community has been talking about, the neighborhoods have been talking about, um the neighborhoods have been working with staff, uh C CNA has been working with staff on that and things we can do going forward.

I would love to see more discussion uh about this and um if there are ideas and solutions towards that to improve this communication process and and um ability for the community to give input.

And so that was one of the ones that I had put as a my top ten and I I would actually for me.

I would sort of turn to the city manager on that because I'm under the impression that the city is working with the committee from CCNA on that.

Um and I think it's been years since we're doing that.

So the Van Weazel one was my number one, and that's kind of gone off the list.

The number two was the other one that I think we talked about getting an in uh update on.

So this takes my number three and rises it to my number one.

Um I would love to see it, you know, on the it in the priority um strategic.

Uh related to that.

Uh there are a lot of people in the community who would be very pleased to see that on our list, at least for discussion.

And prioritize the discussion of this.

Yeah.

I would actually like to see that expanded to some extent.

Um because of the state uh preemptions on how on some of our development, so maybe it's get a better understanding of what we can do and work with the community to come up with solutions that would better address their needs and their ability to communicate those needs and implement something within the constraints that the state has imposed on us.

Yeah, that's an excellent point.

Um we it is a it is a moving target all the time, isn't it?

So yeah, that's an excellent point.

It does change the discussion a little bit.

So are we okay on that one?

I like it.

I don't know how to phrase it.

It looks like Mr.

Bullock is ready to talk on the list for that.

Yeah.

Well, um actually seeking a description.

I just to let you know, we're yes, we're having discussions with representatives from CCNA.

We're also having discussions with representatives from the development community on ways to improve some of our processes and some of our requirements.

And I have suggested that they get together.

And I will tell you that has not been vigorously embraced by either side.

But doggone it, they need to.

You you you begin useful exchange of ideas and productive thinking when groups that don't agree can sit down and begin to have a discussion.

And I'm taking this opportunity to soapbox just a little bit.

Yeah, and I would say like some of the others that are underway that are staying on our list, I would strongly suggest that this one be on our list because this topic has been dragging on for a long time, and there needs to be a push, and maybe if it's one of our priorities, that push will make that happen.

We can force the issue.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And you know, and community input does not necessarily just mean residents.

No, it does not.

Yes, absolutely.

Absolutely.

So what are we calling this one?

Um enhancement of community input to the development process.

To the development process.

Okay.

Perfect.

Or enhance is the verb.

Yeah, we'll have it, we'll have another shot at the wordsmithing this and the others.

And and maybe in the interim before the meeting, uh, we might communicate with Marty which of the principles we think they fall under, and maybe even highlight this is the primary one and these are the secondary ones.

Yes.

Yeah, I can absolutely put that together for you.

Yeah, the I mean, we're we're st we're already working on this, but um, you know, since I don't want 13 projects that I'm gonna put we can combine.

What about um you know, uh continue to m to move forward with it with uh um the downtown improvement of the downtown master plan?

Yeah, I mean we're it's underway, but you know, we we should make sure that it's uh a priority.

Oh so you're making that 14, yes.

Okay.

And we're which where's that on our page here?

Improvement wasn't here.

I think it is, right?

No, it was one of it was one I had on my list.

It did it, but it had to make made it here, didn't it?

No.

No, it didn't have to make it there.

We can, you know, make it.

I thought all of them were on here.

Well, it should have been on there, but you know, maybe I'm the only one who talked about it, so but that doesn't mean it's not a project.

But with a slightly different word and so improvements to downtown master plan.

You know, because even though it's ongoing, we wanted that to be that's one of our projects that's not completed.

Um and may I just uh talk about Commissioner Bettie's number three.

And it's that's I think it says number three.

Oh no, wait, there's another number three here.

Oh it doesn't matter.

That anyway, it's it's foster of uh um economic development initiative.

Um, no, it's the it's uh down on this list as well.

I have another number three for you, which is the MLK park and the playground.

I think that's another one undergoing, and that will be completed soon.

So just uh just to let you know that that's that's and I don't know if there were other elements of that in there that you wanted to talk about, but that playground, the access, the kayak launch, all of that is a set of a estuary.

And that's under the parks, you know, that that goes under the parks topic.

So I just wanted to make sure that one.

Um that one status report of goals.

Um 3D, should we get an update on that?

Or is that one of the ones we're getting an update on?

The 3D?

I think multiple people had that one as a priority.

Anyone?

I think we've run out of steam.

Yes.

I haven't.

3D.

Do we have an update on that?

Where we are with that.

I'm one behind, I'm sorry.

Do you want an update on it?

Yes, please.

I don't mean right now.

I mean, do you want to put that on this list?

Yes, please.

Okay, so it's on the list.

Well, could that fall under data-driven?

Yes.

Yes.

That falls under data.

Data-driven objective.

Right.

Um, I know you're trying to avoid it.

And then Commissioner Bettia has on here number six is the dredging of the Whitaker Bayou.

Uh I believe we've got some funding for that, and we're asking for some funding for that.

And so we have funded, we got funding for that.

It'll be on Monday's agenda 11th.

Yeah, so that one we we have in place.

Are you interested in keeping that on our list of priorities?

Okay.

Well, he has two sets of priorities.

I know he does, but I'm just, you know, I'm just going through the list right now because none of them are are unimportant.

So that's the thing.

Um, put them in this.

So do we want to keep that on the the I would like to.

Are you okay with that?

Is everybody okay with that?

Uh I'm wondering at what point we should stop.

Yeah, right.

Because we're adding projects.

Yeah.

I I was gonna say the otherwise, I would mention lighting the circus hall of fame, you know, um plaques.

How many do we think that's under um say normal?

Um if the data driven, if 3D goes under data driven, there's 14 if it's a standalone.

It is 14.

It should go under data driven because then there's 14.

Right.

What it doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter.

Well, there's a budget of work that that is just a reality.

And um, you know, a lot of these that we're continuing are big initiatives that we're deep into right now that we just said we'll continue those that that we're doing.

Uh so I would you know, I don't know this what the this requires in terms of a budget of work, but um I'm getting to the point where I I think we might be approaching it, but it it doesn't mean because we may come back to you and ask for you to prioritize some above others.

So if you have make a longer list and we can't do them or need to adjust time or something, we can come back and talk about that.

You you have 14, you have 14 items now, and they get I I think you have your plates are full.

Uh people can't propose something later in the year, you know, probably after we get a new city manager, we're gonna want to revisit this.

Yeah, so I think your plate uh your plates are full.

I think right now we've got round 15.

I'm I'm delirious at this point.

I think that if you it it the only thing I would suggest we do and and then we uh mayor you can adjourn whenever you choose to adjourn, but is make sure we understand what the next steps are before we leave the room.

Okay.

Okay, so tell us.

Okay, one um but you're telling me.

You're in charge, you can tell me.

Uh one, I am going to redo this list.

Okay.

And get it get it back to you.

Um, there is going to be a conversation where you all will be brought up to date by the projects that the city manager has mentioned to you.

After that, I believe that there should be a final run through of the projects and the wording.

And after the projects and the wording are agreed to, then um we can put everything in the plan because everything's been approved.

And I will make sure you all approve the formatting.

Okay.

One thing I do want to say to you that time is important.

Um because finance is supposed to is required to Tyler's here.

And he can tell us uh submit in the budget book as part of the budget book, the strategic plan for the city.

Um ideally they like that by the end of November, which I don't know if that's realistic or not, but definitely mid-December, I think, for them.

Okay.

I think that depends on what the November, the second meeting in November looks like in terms of because we're gonna need a little time for this, obviously.

Yeah.

Um the dead life agenda items is tomorrow.

Tomorrow.

So there's an yeah, so so we'll put it on the first meeting in December.

The only meeting.

Yes.

Yeah, the first and only meeting in December, right.

Um may I request that we get the copies of the old uh strategic plan soon and that we consider whether or not that might be a good format to use in terms of putting our 14 projects under those um I I think with a few tweaks, it is a good form, in my opinion.

And the other thing it does for you, um, it keeps you however you decide to do this moving forward.

It keeps you from having to reinvent the wheel, and what you then has the template to work off of when you do your next strategic plan.

Okay.

All right.

And I just wanted to say that you know, maybe you had mentioned the lighting of the um circus ring of finger, but at St.

Armand's and stuff like that.

I guess you know the the these are um items that we can just add add it to the agenda and we'll discuss it and it could be you know yeah, it can be done that way too.

Yes.

Nothing prevents us from adding these items to the agenda that we think are important too.

Absolutely.

You've just received a uh copy, uh well, you're about to receive a copy, digital copy of the strateg the old strategic plan.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

All right on the website.

Okay.

Is there anything else?

Oh, and the resiliency plan we're receiving.

Yeah.

So excellent.

All right.

And any anything else, Commissioner?

Okay.

We're adjourned.