But it's still like this is wrong.

It's one of those things where it's wrong.

More here.

O'Kane.

Here.

Shanner.

Here.

Scott.

Here.

Waters.

Here.

Please stand for a moment of silent prayer followed by the pledge of allegiance.

Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

And to the Republic for which it stands.

One nation under God.

Indivisible Liberty and Justice Fraud.

You're applying for a couple committees.

Tell us why you want to serve.

Mostly it's because I I don't want to just complain anymore.

I want to be an active participant.

I want to be in the room where it happens and helping to enact change.

The transportation committee, I want because as a cyclist as a person that cares deeply about the infrastructure of the city and uh persons who are at risk who who say don't have a driver's license or don't have a means to get to work or not the money, you know, having that infrastructure available to them to ride a bike to work and do so safely.

I I've spent a lot of time in Sioux Falls, and their cycling path is magnificent.

It's wonderful, and you can get darn near everywhere.

And I don't see why we don't have something on par with that, and something that is as beautiful as that.

Um the uh environmental board because I care deeply about the environment.

I care about having a clean city, and um I know that it was suggested that there was a possibility that I could be allowed to be on both boards.

Um I think that you know, if you build it, they will come if you have that strong uh infrastructure.

If you're getting people outside and invested in the cycling paths and trails, that then they are uh stakeholders in the environment, and then they also want a clean city.

They see you know, they're out in nature and they're invested in that, and I feel that uh if I were on both boards, then I would be in a position to like create a bridge and uh affect that uh from both sides.

I think those are all good reasons, um and you saying that instead of just complaining because that is what it takes.

You know, I've had emails from citizens with a complaint or maybe a harsh suggestion, and I say, Hey, we can't do this, but we can do this.

Have you ever thought about getting on one of our committees?

And people have actually done it, and then once you're in the trenches, it helps you to understand the process more, and sometimes even changes do happen from someone else's perspective.

So I do really appreciate that you made that statement and said, Well, I'm just gonna stop complaining, I'm gonna do something.

Right, exactly right.

Everybody wants us to do something, but there has to be change if there's gonna be change.

So this would be a great step.

Yeah, I'd like to be that person.

I'd like to be a part of a team that helps do that.

Great.

Well, thank you for applying.

There I don't even know, I haven't checked, but if it what what would be your number one preference just so we know that uh the environmental board, I think they need uh persons more I think that they need you more, yeah.

They have four vacancies, I think, or three four.

So yeah, thank you for making the applications.

Yeah, and just so you know in full transparency, too.

Like I appreciate that the mayor asked that because I'm all for if you're willing to serve on both.

I think that's amazing.

I don't want any boards just sitting with a whole bunch of vacancies.

That wouldn't be my hope either.

Right.

Um, but you always want to at least leave some space so hopefully other people can participate, you know.

And I would hate for you to get on both and then have an applicant that was really passionate about it, but then not be able to get on for a number of years or something.

So I'm just gonna take that into my decision, and I just want to at least be transparent with you.

Yeah, absolutely.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you, folks.

Thanks, Drew.

That you can consider these items passed unanimously unanimously unless a separate roll call vote is requested by a council member.

If you want to speak on any of these items, please come up as I read it.

If you want to speak on an item not under the agenda, please come up under citizen concerns.

Remember to always state your name for the record.

I'll move the consent agenda.

Second.

Three is a reading of the August 21st and 25th City Council minutes.

Four is a resolution endorsing the national fitness campaign with the Siouxland Historical Railroad Association and authorizing the city assistance for the installation of an outdoor fitness court on the railroad museum campus.

Mayor, can I ask Larry to come up?

I just want to get a little bit of a visual on this exercise pad or whatever.

I don't know what's going to look like.

It will be a flat pad, approximately 70 feet long by 30 feet wide, and it'll be subdivided with a mural project in the middle.

And then on one side, there is a fitness gym where there will be body weight lifts, and then as well, there will be uh what they call seven movements and seven uh minutes.

Yeah.

Um, and then um there's some other amenities that go with stretching, and then on the other side of the murals, the studio part where we can then allow small businesses to come in and do yoga classes uh and wellness programs on that area there.

Um we were approached with the idea of bringing the this national fitness campaign studio to Sioux City.

We would be the first one in the state of the Iowa if it comes about.

And what we're looking at is this will help with the campground development, provides an amenity for that the campground, especially when we're talking about wanting an upscale campground development, and many of your upscale users of the RV parks are into fitness and wellness, so this will help them, but also with our trail loop that we have around the railroad museum campus.

Um, you know, being in a grant writer, I gotta go out and talk to people, so I ask them what type of amenities we need to provide for the trail.

And this has been one of those that have come up the seven movement and seven minutes, the stretching and all that.

They're using our fence to stretch, and that's just an injury waiting to happen.

So I hope that kind of answers you.

It does.

I think it's really cool.

Um, I did go online and look it up, but there's different, they're not all the same.

So I was wondering, you know, what the intention is.

Yeah, I mean they're up here.

We are looking at the upscale.

Uh and the city will not have a financial obligation other than to help us get through uh making sure we're meeting codes and we're got the right drainage.

And it's a $30,000 grant.

It's a $30,000 grant, but it's a $200,000 investment.

So we're right now in the process of getting sponsorships as well as we've applied for a MERG grant.

That's your igniter, the $30,000.

Yeah.

Good.

Thank you.

I think it sounds wonderful.

Larry, I appreciate the contact.

I appreciate the context because I know I mean I've I've looked at these different ones before because that one point in time I was talking with a property owner about one on a lot downtown.

I just didn't want this to be you know, this one isolated area out there, and I didn't know where you were with the campground and the trails connections and things like that.

I think it's gonna be a complimentary um amenity, you know.

Should that all come to fruition, it'd be a great area to be able to experience the outdoors and have that.

So hopefully one can leverage the other and you can make both of those happen.

So yeah, we we intend to um just be real briefly when Rag Bry was north of here this summer.

We had over 200 Rag Bry riders that came down to our facility and rode the trail out there, yeah.

And they were looking for stretching and other movement type things.

So I I think it will fit really well with what we're trying to do out there.

Great.

Thanks, Larry.

Thank you.

Five is a resolution adopting plans and specs for utility cleaning project.

Six is a resolution approving a form of interim loan and disbursement agreement with the Iowa Finance Authority and authorizing payment of sewer revenue capital loan notes.

Seven is a resolution amending the position classification manual by approving an updated job description for parks and recreation attendant and specialist.

Is a resolution proposing to sell property at 301 Kings Highway.

The petitioners, Ryan Ross and Oscar Sanchez Alvarez.

9 is an actions relating to boards, commissions, and committee committees.

A is a motion accepting the Civil Service Commission Annual Report.

B is a resolution appointing Jack Walsh to the Historic Preservation Commission.

10 are actions relating to grants.

A is a resolution approving a grant agreement with the FAA for the Gate 2 passenger boarding bridge project at the airport.

B is a resolution accepting the submission of the local housing trust fund program application by the Sioux City Housing Trust Fund to the Iowa Finance Authority and approving the use of city funds as a match.

C is a resolution approving the application of the Iowa Finance Authority Emergency Solutions Grant Program for street outreach to the homeless population.

Jill's coming up.

I've invited Jill up to further explain exactly what this program is, a meaningful program to the community, and then just uh uh just explain or clarify that the funding is good for 2026, and but if you do everything right, it'll be renewed for 2027.

Um Jill Wanderscheid Neighborhood Services Manager, I think that was pretty much it.

Um but no.

Um we are applying for both um street outreach and also rapid rehousing funds.

So street outreach is something we've done for the last couple years.

Um we have staff that are going out and engaging with those that are experiencing homelessness throughout our community, building those relationships.

These are people that are typically very service resistant for whatever reason, so it does take some time to build those relationships and then get them into our system and making sure that they're being referred to services that we have available here.

And then also with the rapid rehousing.

This is also a program that we've run for quite some time.

Um, and that's been funded mostly through COVID funds, so we're excited for the opportunity to find some other funding sources that can help continue this on.

That provides um rental assistance for up to six months for those that are experiencing homelessness, transitioning to being housed, and with that comes case management from our own staff.

Our Mondo and our staff provides a lot of that support for them to try to make sure that they're stabilized after those six months is up and they transition into covering their housing expenses themselves.

So as Dan mentioned, if we do well, if we are awarded, we do well the first year, then we get awarded the second year as well, and that's how it's worked for street outreach in the past.

And the rapid rehousing that has been successful for the most part.

I mean, what happens after six months?

Yes, absolutely.

I don't have our exact percentage, but it's above 75% stay housed after we walk away.

Wonderful.

Programs.

Yes.

Thank you, Jill.

Thank you.

E is a resolution approving an application to the U.S.

DOT Rural and Tribal Assistance Pilot Program for the Berry Con Creek Channel Redevelopment Project.

F is a resolution approving a transit joint participation agreement with the IDOT for a grant for one light duty bus.

G is a resolution approving a transit joint participation agreement to implement the public transit infrastructure grant agreement with IDOT for the passenger elevator replacement at the Martin Luther King Junior Transportation Center.

Eleven are actions relating to street closures.

A is a resolution temporary closing various downtown alleys, September 12th through the 22nd, and temporarily closing sections of 4th and 5th Street on September 20th for the Vanguard Arts Alley Art Festival.

B is a resolution temporary closing a section of Fourth and Jones Streets on September 27th for the downtown tailgate party or downtown tailgate event.

C is a resolution temporary closing various streets in Morningside area on September 27th for the Starfest Marching Band Competition.

12 are actions relating to agreements and contracts.

A is a resolution approving a fixed price proposal for driver training solutions for one driving simulator and one seat.

B is a resolution approving change order number four to the contract with HR construction for the new utilities field office building project.

I don't remember if this is the one.

Some of these went way over 10% before they brought them to us, Mike.

And will you reiterate to your staff that that's important to not let that happen?

C is a resolution approving a lease agreement with Avis Rental Car for the lease of certain land in the Donner Park Urban Renewal Area at 2403 Aviation Boulevard.

D is a resolution approving a contract with ANF construction for the Transit Maintenance Garage Parking Lot Improvement Project.

E is a resolution granting a permit to Metro Fibernet to maintain underground fiber adjacent to 2616 through 2615 Hamilton Boulevard.

F is a resolution granting a permit to Metro Fibernet to maintain underground fiber adjacent to 1300 through 1505 West First Street.

G is a resolution approving an amendment number one to the consulting services agreement with Bolton and Mech for the Cones Park Destination Patio Project.

H is a resolution approving a public right of way at Grade Crossing with Union Pacific Railroad Company for improvements of the 46th Street at Grade Crossing for the Plywood Trail Phase 3 Project.

I is a resolution approving amendment number one to the service provider agreement with quality striping for the airport airfield painting and blasting project.

13 are actions authorizing payments.

A is a resolution approving a payment to OVG for repairs to the Tyson Event Center.

B is a resolution authorizing payment to Bain Bridge Construction for the Elk Creek Road Construction Project.

C is a resolution authorizing payment to Nystrom Electric Company for the South Bridge Water Treatment Plan High Service Pump No.

Adjustable frequency frequency drive project.

D is a resolution approving a second payment settlement statement for the PFAS class action litigation.

E is a resolution approving a partial settlement of tort claims authorizing payments and approving repair estimates.

14 repairs are purchasing.

A is a resolution awarding a purchase order to gov connection for the extreme network switches and supporting accessories.

B is a resolution awarding a purchase order to hymen for firefighter turnout gear.

15 are applications for alcohol license, 16 beer uh board commission and committee minutes.

That ends the consent agenda is there anyone to be heard on any of those meetings?

Mayor, I'm I'm standing on uh item 13E on the tort claims conflict of interest.

Okay.

Passes 5017 is a motion acknowledging the Board of Adjustment Actions of August 26th.

I'll move that.

Second passes 50.

18 is a hearing and ordinance amending chapter 8.24 offenses relating to property and chapter 25.03 development standards of the municipal code.

The City of Sioux City P and Z recommends approval of this item.

I'll move it.

Second.

Public hearings now open.

Anyone to be heard?

Paul Koskevich.

Um the uh uh P and Z uh decided to, I think uh allow the fence, including the barbed wire, as long as it's within the property line to be moved up.

Is that correct?

The the issue at hand is that uh, you know, you drive down the medians right now or the the right-of-ways right now, and they're full of uh Mid-American boxes, they're full of uh metronet boxes, they're throw full of fire hydrants, they're full of uh they're full of everything and constantly every day, including us, uh our contractors working in the right-of-way.

And last I checked, uh it's not holding anybody up.

And they're able to work around all those utility boxes and whatnot, and barbed wire included.

And if we didn't have a problem this city with crime and theft, we wouldn't need barbed wire, but it's critical.

And I just don't understand how we can allow those other items, but for some reason, a firm in Houston that the city relied upon in 2015 to change the code, uh, knows more than everyone else.

And I just don't agree with this.

I think barbed wire can be pointed out, our fence can be on the property line, just like it is all over town on several properties.

And again, nobody has a problem.

I checked with Chris during our planning and zoning meeting if any contractors have denied working in the right-of-way or had any accidents in the right-of-way because the barbed wire that points out, and he reported not that he could comment on or knew about.

What is the issue here?

In addition, uh why would why would we allow anything to infringe on the right-of-way that we don't allow it?

You can't build on the right-of-way, you can't why why would that be a problem, Paul?

Sure.

I mean, it's just like uh earlier in the meeting here, right?

We uh proved metronet to come into our right-of-way and install no no no, just wait.

Let me finish.

Come into our right-of-way, right?

And you install their utility and they destroy people's lawns they don't care what about what they do, and they're just allowed to work in the right-of-way and put their product in the right-of-way.

Why can a owner of his property not be allowed to protect it and also be in the right-of-way with six inches of barbed wire?

Because utilities have a little different law they operate under than you do.

Mid-America has the franchise, and we can't control that, even if I don't want that.

Sure, but I understand what you're saying too.

It's like I don't want those all of the places that they put them either, but the state of Iowa dictates.

The reason I brought it up, guys, was uh in the planning and zoning uh uh meeting here.

Chris had brought up that the uh he referenced one of the boards here in town.

He had uh review this and they mentioned that it could be a hazard of somebody uh traveling in the right-of-way.

And that's what really has brought this on to me is if we're relying on a board, I think it was a travel advisory board, is what it was.

Yeah, if we're relying on those folks and their opinion and they're really worried about six inches of barbed wire, how are they not worried about all these hazards I just mentioned beforehand?

Because I think if someone was cycling or biking or something, you know, in that right-of-way and would hit something and fling them into that.

I guess I would be a little more worried than about barbed wire than buried utilities.

Okay, but right, but you're not worried about the the uh fire hydrant.

You're not worried about the the 12 inch wide wood posts that holds up the power line, right?

You're not worried about the you're not worried about the metronet box that's certain things that are allowed because of this guy runs Mid America.

Sure.

He he we can't tell him necessarily where he can go put a pole as long as it's in the right-of-way because he has a franchise.

I'm simply saying it was brought up right that it's a hazard.

And my comment to that is is how it could be any more a hazard than all these utility boxes that are already in the right-of-way.

Well, we're gonna try to control, I guess, the ones we can and not the ones we can.

But again, there's there's there's several several multiple fences in town already, and they're not causing any problems.

And they're they're they're their barbed wire is pointed out, and their fence is on the property line, and we're not having any issues.

The only the only reason this got changed in 2015 was not because of a council member, not because of a of a of a department head.

It was because we relied on some firm that this city decided to pay to change the code book.

But someone had to give them the direction to hire them to do that.

That's what Chris said at planning zoning, right?

It was just the firm in Houston that they just suggested.

They suggested code reform, I'm sure.

Right, but they had to have some direction.

It had to come before council before it was enacted.

But here's what I want to ask.

This um I want to choose my words.

This isn't good enough for you.

No, because here's the other thing.

It comes back to we're getting picked on, okay?

Do you guys see the jail?

Guess what?

That that that's not about the jail.

Who's asking you, right?

Yes, it affects.

About this.

It affects.

I just I'm just because now what we're gonna do is here's what we're gonna do.

We're gonna take this barbed wire like this, and we're gonna go like this.

That's how big of a waste this is.

That's how silly this is.

Over six inches.

It's literally six.

This in a I've been by it, I've seen it.

It's silly.

And you asked for the barbed wire to be allowed to be turned out.

We didn't ask.

We put it out like every other place in town.

80% offense.

No, because it's safer for protecting our property.

Because if they were aware, they would have moved it in six inches.

They would have moved the fence.

It's it's not even allowed to be tilted out.

Nonetheless, our fence is moved in already because the DOT was giving us problems on their side of the fence.

Are they picking on you as well?

Of course they are.

Okay.

There's a common direction.

It is, it is they wanted to call us for trespassing, right?

They we were on their property because I cleaned up some trees.

Next thing you know, the next week, one of their rigs is out there surveying it's parked right in our lawn.

But that's okay.

I know, but that it's processes that everyone has.

We have to follow them.

You have to follow them.

You asked us for consideration on this.

We took it back.

We're giving this new code, and yet it's still not good enough.

I know because because it's over six inches.

You're right, you do know it's never gonna be good enough.

It's over six inches, right?

But then why are you throwing a fit over six inches?

You don't want us to.

Because uh you're gonna make me go like this with the barbed wire.

It's a waste.

And my last thing is it's it's it's the fact that we have one of our biggest projects that's under the most scrutiny in this city is the jail, and somehow that got past Chris and Ron's nose.

Same thing with Mid American, another huge project.

But somehow, somehow, a little Costco Murphy project just somehow flips the radar switch at this town.

Somehow.

That's the problem.

You're not on my radar until you're texting me.

I promise you that.

I know, but we're sure on Chris and Chris and Ron's radar.

Their car just finds our job sites.

So again, all I'm saying is it's just silly that we're gonna go like this six inches, right?

Right?

Okay.

Thank you.

Anyone else be hurting my name is Ken Kreber.

Uh I live on uh at least.

Are you speaking on 18, sir?

Oh no, sir.

I'm sorry.

Give it just a little bit, and we'll I'll come back.

Under citizen concerns, okay.

Thank you.

Anyone else be heard on eighteen?

So Andrew, so all of the fencing would not none of the fencing would that's up, it would be grandfathered in.

It all has to be changed under the ordinance.

No, the current stuff would be grandfathered in.

Just new fencing.

It's new fencing.

Just new fencing.

Yeah.

Uh I believe the uh transportation advisory committee suggested you know, a a pretty decent setback for barbed wire.

We after our discussion, we said as long as it's within the property line, the barbed wire, which makes it a lot closer, which is what what Paul was referring to, six inches.

That's what we thought.

Tips out, it's on a cradle and it leans out.

It's got an angle to it.

Yeah, right right away is is okay right away.

It's not private property.

Okay, thank you.

And I believe a lot of the other places he was referring to, the it's it's on their property already anyway.

So it was prior to 2015, the ones that he gave me.

Yeah.

Well, not your new fence, but anybody is passed by anybody opposed to waiving the statutory rule.

No.

Second.

O'Kane.

Aye.

Chainer.

Aye.

Scott?

Aye.

Waters.

Aye.

More.

Aye.

Second and third.

Second.

Chainer.

Aye.

Scott.

Aye.

Waters.

Aye.

More.

Aye.

O'Kane.

Aye.

19 is an ordinance.

Up here.

Oh, yeah.

Just wanted to elaborate the ordinance that you just voted on, included the two and a half foot setback to face out and a five foot one adjacent to a sidewalk.

If you wanted to amend it to just be in the property, you would have to amend it to be what planning and zoning recommended.

Well, I wish we'd have known that.

I'll move to amend 18 to what the recommendation of the planning and zoning is.

We'll have to reconsider because the vote I'll make a motion to reconsider.

Next time, please come up when we're talking about it.

Because okay.

I'll second the motion to reconsider.

Scott.

Aye.

Waters.

Aye.

Moore.

Aye.

O'Kane.

Aye.

Shayner.

I'll move to reconsider to the recommendation of the planning and zoning.

Seven.

Do we have to do through three readings of that then?

Or is it no?

I would just ask that you vote on the second and third reading because you've already passed first reading at the reconsidering 17.

That one, the we just did first reading today.

18.

So this will make it anything within the property line, Chris.

Right?

Is that what I'm understanding?

Correct.

The cradle.

That's what your conditions were.

Not the two and a half or five foot, but just saying look at it.

As long as it's as long as the barbed wire and everything is within the property line and it's not hanging over, you're fine.

Correct.

Correct.

All elements of the fence and barbed wire would have to be within the property line.

So Hetty will walk it through.

It will first reading and then motion to waive the roll second and third reading.

Deal.

Okay.

On first reading, waters.

Aye.

Moore.

Aye.

O'Kane.

Aye.

Janeer.

Aye.

Scott.

Aye.

Now I have to move second and third again.

As revised.

Second.

More.

Aye.

O'Kane.

Aye.

Aye.

Scott.

Aye.

Waters.

Aye.

Thanks, Chris.

19 is an ordinance vacating a portion of the property adjacent 4510 Van Buren Street, the petitioners Barry Bokey and Melissa Ihorn and P and Z recommends approval of the vacation of Madison Street, but denial the vacation of 45th Street.

The first consideration was approved August 25th.

I'll move second reading.

Second.

And you guys voted to vacate 45th Street also.

Exactly.

But if I'm doing second reading, we've already made that.

Correct.

It's second reading of what we're doing.

Second reading of it's recon it's considering the original.

No.

Oh.

We already passed it as the vacation of 45th Street.

Yes.

Sorry, because planning and zoning had recommended just Madison Street, isn't that correct?

Right.

And then you amended on the floor.

Yes.

To just do to do both.

Right.

Yes.

So second reading would be as voted on last week.

Yes, unless the council would like to change that.

That's right.

After the carrying we have people that want to talk about it, it looks like.

Do you want to talk about this item, sir?

Oh, I am.

Okay.

Oh, yeah.

I've been sleeping over this one.

Oh no.

Hi, my name's Brian Reynolds, born in Sioux City.

Went right out to Leeds, still there.

4524 Madison Street.

And first of all, I want to thank the planning and zoning committee for doing a uh outstanding job unanimously all voting not to vacate 45th Street, not to vacate it.

And so that's what they specialize in.

And they did a very good job.

All right.

Now look it.

This ain't no more than uh you're discriminating against me and another neighbor, and you're landlocking us out of our property.

All right.

So he comes up to his property, and he runs smack into a six-foot bank and he goes to the right, and there's his garage.

The only access he's got to his property is 45th Street to get to the side.

He's got septic tanks, any kind of septicant replacement, uh, work on it, foundation work, whatever.

You have to have access from 45th Street to his property.

All right.

And then there's my property.

50 foot away, you guys give these access access to their property and to build a new house.

And 50 foot the other way, you're not giving me access to my property to build a new house.

They've got over two acres.

They bought they they got over an acre of land, and with Madison Street, a whole city block vacated combined, they have over two acres to build a house.

A normal person has a hundred and twenty foot by 40 foot or 60 foot wide to build a house.

They have more than enough land to put their house in.

It's just a land grab to get that 45th Street, and 45th Street has a purpose.

First of all, I've been in talks over the last year with Lieber Construction, Rod Lieber.

I have that parcel land at 7.335 acres, and turning it into a at some point a housing development for Leeds.

Four blocks away from Leeds Elementary School, St.

Michael's, six blocks from Walmart, Leeds needs a housing development, but at the very least, if we can't get all that to happen with I suppose you guys and all whatever it takes, there's gonna be four houses in my four corners of that property.

One of them's gonna be in that southeast corner, which 45th Street goes into.

When you shut that down, and that house is out of there, I lose one-fourth of the value of my property.

Damages.

I to me and my family.

Um furthermore, to say I got all these accesses as it is agriculture, is false.

They're telling you I can go through here and here and there.

The parcels to the north of my house are separate parcels.

I bought all of my parcels of land separately.

And I'm going to sell them separately.

And to tell me that I got to cross over other parcels to get into that land to that field, as soon as I say sell it to you, Bob.

How are you going to get into that field?

You ain't.

And that's 45th Street.

And that was platted back in 1898.

That was a 14-acre field out there.

The lady from Morning Side College, she died.

She owned it.

She split, let me and Jerry Williams split it.

Well, how are you going to split it?

Because there was two accesses, one on Jefferson Street and one on 45th.

So he got the one on Jefferson Street, and they split it at 45th Street.

And my entry is 45th Street.

Still today.

And if you're going to put another entry in somewhere else, the average, there's probably a five-foot bank for average.

Now you're talking you're going to have to get Libra construction in there with a pay for all the heavy equipment to move all this land upward, lost the land, a culvert in, gates in to keep snowmobiles, four-wheelers off.

And then you would have to travel two blocks to get to that house over other people's land.

That's just silly.

Are you expecting to have 45th Street opened as a street?

Yes, 45th Street moving forward is going to be big.

I mean, once I don't know how Rod's going to work everything.

Who are you proposing that would do that?

Rod Lieber.

But who's going to pay for it?

The street.

The street?

Well, no, that has to be determined.

The street's already there.

It's just a it's just a size of a lot.

My goodness, that's 46th Street's gravel.

I mean, that's just so many truckloads of gravel in your end.

I understand that, but 45th Street's got topography issues.

The burn to what Gordon said last week.

Is that right?

It has huge topography issues to actually put a street in there.

No, it don't.

How come they go in there to farm a land?

I don't know.

I'm going by what the engineers said.

Well, I'll tell you what, they just get in and out of there like it splits, so I don't know how that's so, and it wouldn't take a whole lot to Rod could tell you that to plumb it up.

There's uh Gordon Fair City Engineer.

There is a uh about a 10% slope if you were to make a street there.

So it is it is doable to make a street.

Well, yeah, but you don't like those, but anyway.

Uh no, but we have to do that.

But I'm just saying who's gonna pay for that because the city hasn't done one of those deals.

I mean, I'm worried about what's in front of me.

I'm worried about the loss and the value of my property, who's gonna pay for that?

Who who suggested all the uh uh uh the expenses uh incurred on the other side uh if you to put in something I don't have to put in, I mean, are they gonna pay for that?

I mean, they're good with everybody's money.

Let's let's throw the shoe on the other foot, let's use their same tactic.

They can come in from the other other side of their property, shut the front of theirs down, they can come up through 44th Street, let them pay for their own expenses.

Why should they expect me?

I just went to my mailbox one day, and here's a letter to come in and change this the whole thing around for me.

You know, 45th Street is they can use it, my neighbor can use it, and moving forward, everybody else can use it.

Okay.

It's just so simple.

I mean, you don't need to, it's just a land grab.

Why would you need to vacate 45th Street when they already got they got a whole city blocky just vacated for them and they got another over an acre something?

So that's that's a solid, and I don't know the exact number, but at least two acres.

And nobody else can everybody else just gets a lot.

Is there anybody else can be heard?

Yes.

That's why we're having this meeting.

And once again, I want to thank the planning and zoning commission, and I want that on record.

They're good guys.

Yeah.

Except for one of them.

Yeah.

I'm Jamie Fridel.

I own the house at 4506 Madison Avenue.

Um can we one second, Jamie?

I apologize.

Can we pull the map up, Chris, if you don't mind just that helped last time for us to be able to acclimate kind of who's where and what their perspective is, if you don't mind Jamie just saying?

I know I know you guys know this area well.

We're trying to go off of, you know, in the maps and recommendations, everything else.

Um please.

Back room, so bear with me just a moment.

Thank you.

Okay, there we go.

So right where the boss.

Where was the first gentleman's place?

Well, it's owners the property you located here.

The north-south uh Madison Street was vacated.

He owns that and this portion right here.

So he vacated Madison.

North of what's being requested.

Yep.

The Bolties are requesting 45th Street and Madison going south.

But why did we vacate Madison to the But I'm saying the gentleman that just spoke, sir, you vacated Madison that you would have had access, is that right?

Correct.

Yeah, requested the vacation of that to add that to his property.

When was that?

You remember?

Long after I started, so early or late 2000s.

Oh, okay.

Or 2010.

And just to refresh my memory too before we get into it.

44th Street, uh, I believe Mr.

Bulky had said that there's some very challenging terrain.

No, 44th.

Oh, okay.

If I correctly.

About a 50-foot grade change about this location and about this location.

Oh, coming up from 44th would not you maybe we'll get utilities across, but as far as a road, unlikely.

Gotcha.

All right, Jamie.

Sorry.

So if you see right next to my property, I'm I'm landlocked if all that gets if all that gets approved.

Chris, can you show us Jamie's property?

Okay.

And so right now you get a lot of.

I just have access to my property from that access road, that's it.

And then when you get to the end of it, there's like a six-foot bank.

And you can not access the back of the house only from 45th.

And so I guess.

I mean, nothing would change, right?

You'd still have access to the access road, right?

Yeah, you would still have to do that.

I have access to the access road, but that wouldn't change.

It's just in if 45th vacated, then would they just wouldn't put a street there in the future.

Well then I wouldn't be able to reach the back of my house where the septic tank is.

That's on septic.

It's not on city utilities.

So what do you mean you wouldn't be able to reach it?

There's a garage right there.

You can't you can't get through there.

There's a retaining wall.

So how do you currently get to it?

If we needed to get there, it would be through going down the 45th.

Going 45th to Matt where it intersects with Matt's.

Except for you can buy half of 45th Street.

Yeah, I understand that, but it's kind of a kind of a burden on me.

I don't I mean, I'd much rather you guys of the city keep it.

Because then I I can buy it, yeah, but then I have to maintain it.

Um don't necessarily want to do that either.

Um but even if I do buy that half, do I still have to could it cause issues going forward for me to get to that back side of my place?

Um I mean I if there was a compromise, maybe there's no retaining walls or anything put there, and I get a permanent easement to get to the back of my house.

I guess I don't understand where how you cannot get to the back of your house.

He doesn't have enough space there because of the wall.

I mean, before you guys decide fully.

I I suggest all you guys go out there, just take a look before you actually make a decision.

And then if you feel like there's ways I can get back there, by all means let me know what it is.

But otherwise, if there's gonna be a copy of the.

I I get that.

But I would ask that you guys take a look at it.

The only only place he's got is 40 district.

For purposes of Madison vaccinated for your purpose.

He's right in the right because you had Madison vacated for your purposes.

No, I'm in it to say to come up to the podium.

Sir, by Sir.

You have to come up here if you're gonna speak.

Or wait.

Oh you like that.

One of your own stuff.

Well, somebody else has the floor, sir.

He's using the city.

You just have to say we'll get to you.

Yeah.

But we got to do it so the clerk can record the minutes.

Yep.

So yeah, basically, I would prefer that it not be vacated.

I don't want to buy by buy half of it.

I don't want to have to maintain it.

I do think it should remain a city street.

Um I don't know what the future holds for that area, but I would like to be able to access my property on that side.

Well, Gordon went set.

Chris, where's the nearest utilities to there?

To this.

I just want to revisit that.

Up there.

Watered sewer right there.

And most of these people have septic up in this?

Not very much.

And so are they within our clean water guideline that should something happen, they're gonna have to get on utilities?

No, that's beyond beyond it's beyond that two 200.

Yes.

Okay.

Now this property here develops.

Right.

No sewer until down about.

Oops, sorry.

I'm new here.

You said that in the last meeting.

It's down about here somewhere down at the bottom of the screen.

So it's considerably uh uh longer distance for cemetery.

Compared to where?

Compared to right here.

Oh, I got you, I got you.

Can't go uphill.

So, Jamie, right now you would, if that happened and you had to access, you would just go on that 45th, just what that is now to access to go around and in the back.

Right before we bought it, the septic tank was replaced.

It had to be replaced.

Um it was my understanding that that's how they accessed it.

So I don't if something happens or I have to have it fixed again, I'm kind of up a creek.

That further explains why P and Z's recommendation was 7-0.

Yes.

And typically over the years with planning and zoning, if someone has that access and that only access, we don't vacate.

What what's your address, sir?

That 4506 Madison.

45.

Which is funny because Madison isn't there.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, when we bought it, I it took me a minute to find it.

Kidding.

It's not like that.

That house.

Right.

So it's our yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

You have anything else, sir?

No, sir.

Now, if you want to come back up, sir, you can.

You want to come back up, sir.

Well, sure.

I can brush up on that issue.

The city that that property got condemned.

And there's no way they could get um that there was no room to get that to get it uncondemned, unless the guy told me he says, Well, he goes, you can vacate Madison Street, and they would get half of you, like you said, the half, they would get that half.

That would give them enough feet for their leech line.

That's how Madison Street got vacated.

So I petitioned and vacated it.

And then that's a whole nother story.

That belonged in 1898, it was vacated, and it belonged to the land that I owned, but I made a deal with the city, and and uh we just settled it that way.

And that I saved that house by taking it upon myself to go ahead and vacate that so that house could get the land that it has.

And that's how Madison Street got vacated.

You know, it wasn't that I was I wanted or nothing, but that anyway, that property, that land was purchased before any of that other stuff, and my access was 45th Street.

I bought that property um with only one access, 45th Street.

There was there is no other access.

That was the one when I purchased the property that was I don't know how you say it, given to me or given to that property.

That was, I don't know how you say it, given to me or given to that property.

And if it's sold that way, it still goes that way.

The rest of the property our own is different parcels and separate, has nothing to do with that field.

And um, so taking 45th street away from that field, um it's huge.

That's just huge.

If for any future uh for houses over there, and you talk about the sewer, a block away is Harrison Street, and that's where you can hook into the sewer, and when they went up Harrison Street and put all them houses in, within one month they were all sold.

I want boop boop boop like hot cakes.

But anyway, that's what we're talking about now.

And uh regardless, I lose a fourth of the value of that property if I can't get a home over there, and then there's other damages.

Let's just say we didn't even do that.

Start oh, just start putting in other uh entries.

And that's who's gonna pay for that, not me.

I mean, somebody else wants it, and if it if it legally ends up that way, well then somebody else has got to pay pay me to get into the otherwise buy the whole property because that's I bought it with that entry.

And so if he ain't gonna pay for another entry, uh buy the whole buy the whole thing.

Okay, thank you.

Anyone else?

I spoke to you guys the last time.

Um I'm just curious.

Uh it was said that the only sanitary sewer was on Jefferson Street, but Harrison Street, I mean, that subdivisions right there, which looked a lot closer.

So that was just something that I noticed that I was kind of confused about.

Um when it comes to the like you guys brought up the your building uh street for a single house.

That was through the like what was discussed, the 50-foot incline and everything else.

Um the last thing I have is yeah, I I want to buy 45th Street.

Like I want to give the city over $10,000 because I'm buying 45th Street and Madison, which was so that Madison wasn't gonna get landlocked, and I'm gonna give that to you guys for your budget.

I tried to discuss this with potential neighbors and talk to them.

Um it was clearly met with hostility.

I I'm trying to be friendly, and so yet again I just wanted to emphasize why I'm really confused that I'm buying a it's a field, like well, well, it's grassland, it's grass, and the concern that I can build my house anywhere else is this is right off the alleyway, it's easy access, and if I was to tear all the trees out of Madison Street to come up, I'm not just tearing up Madison.

I'm coming up that 44th Street, which was also insinuated that I'm having to ask the city then to tear up all the trees on that one.

It I'm trying to do what's the simplest for my house.

I'm just trying to build my house closest to the north side of the property.

This makes it a lot easier.

I'm I'm just trying to get along.

I didn't realize this was gonna be an issue, so I just want to speak before you guys make it very clear.

There is no maliciousness in this, there's no anger, and I really appreciate your time on something that I thought was going to be very simple.

Of I'm buying a street that nobody's using.

Thank you.

Are you kidding me?

Come on, welcome to the city council.

This is not symbol, man.

Come on.

I'm being honest.

Yes, absolutely.

No, I think very I appreciate it.

Mr.

Bulkey, I've got one one question for you.

So it it seems like the the the biggest holdup would be the um the house on Madison Avenue off of 45th.

And what was mentioned was um if you'd be willing to grant uh an easement so that you'd have access to the septic tank.

I mean, should I I'm willing to talk to people.

Okay.

I mean, we're gonna write stuff out or anything so that that way liability and everything else.

Like, like I said, I don't plan on doing anything with that property that would impede anything down that street.

It's I'm just I want an easement for my house so that I can get closer to the north.

I'm not tearing out as many trees, I'm not destroying what looks nice up there.

Like you said, go up there and look.

It's a beautiful place.

I'm lucky to get this property, and so therefore it's like I'm trying not to disturb as much as possible.

It's easier.

But yeah, if that was something that they wanted to discuss with us, like that's why we went to all the properties originally.

Originally, most people weren't home or they're out doing more fun things than just hanging out at home.

But that is a discussion that if it's just a matter of like driving down there when God forbid a septic tank goes out.

That's a whole different story.

So yeah, that is I'm I'm not that kind of person.

Like I I get along.

So I'm gonna withdraw my motion for today.

If you'll draw a second, and uh I'm gonna drive out there and see.

I don't know.

I'll gonna say I know in fairness.

The everybody this property's been you've had that property since 1999.

If if you were going to develop it, I wish something would happen because there's a lot of area up in the north side of Leeds is prime for development that it's not happening.

So would the council like to defer?

I'm gonna move that now.

I'll move to defer for a week.

O'Kane.

Aye Shaner.

Aye.

Scott.

Aye.

Waters.

Aye.

More.

Aye.

Okay, 20 is an ordinance of the code.

Road trip.

Yeah, I'll drive.

Yeah, throwing me in the back of your truck, man.

Sorry.

All right, bring it on wrap.

Yeah, you'll be back next week.

An ordinance 20 is an ordinance amending chapter 25.02 zoning districts and land uses in chapter 25.07 definitions of the municipal code.

The petitioners, the city of Sioux City, P and Z recommends first consideration was approved on August 25th.

25th, I'll move the second reading.

Second.

Wait, Schultz planning.

Uh we did take your considerations and uh consideration last week and did rewrite the definition for new automobile sales.

Um so there is an amended version of the ordinance if you wish to consider that.

That would we believe we'll take care of the concerns you had with somebody possibly using a side-by-side or golf cart dealership as a way to go circumvent the ordinance.

Um is that so we need to amend first?

Correct.

There are two attachments.

Attachment A is the ordinance as was presented last week.

Attachment B is the proposed amended ordinance with the definitional change.

So the council would need to amend the ordinance on the floor to include that if you wish to do so.

Yeah, I would move to amend to include the attachments that were furnished by the legal department.

Second, that doesn't have to go back to P and Z.

It's just a definitional change.

You could certainly send it back if you would like them to take another.

No, I just want to make sure they're fine.

All right, thank you.

On the amendment, Shanner, aye.

Scott?

Aye.

Waters.

Aye.

More.

Aye.

O'Kane.

Aye.

Okay, and then we can vote for the second reading this way, right?

Okay.

Thank you for doing that, Wade.

Thanks to the mayor for thinking of golf carts.

Well, it's I know there's springing up all over the country.

You don't have to go online very much to figure it.

So, what's funny, Mayor?

Is you said that and I drove up to Okeboji, and there's one right on the south side of town.

Exactly.

That has it's a car lot, but it has a whole row of golf cards first thing.

Yeah, yeah, it's uh you go on the air go on Facebook and they want you to buy dealership golf cart.

Okay, now uh I'll be opposed to waiving the statutory rule for the third reading.

I'll move that second.

Shanner, aye.

Scott, aye, waters.

Aye.

More.

Aye.

O'Kane.

I'll move third reading.

Second.

Scott.

Aye.

Waters.

Aye.

Moore.

Aye.

O'Kane.

Aye.

Shayner.

Aye.

Thank you.

Thanks, guys.

Your service.

21 is a hearing resolution approve approving plans and specs for the Pulaski drainage improvement project.

I'll move that.

Second.

Public hearings now open.

Anyone to be heard?

Seeing none.

Hearing is closed.

Passes 50.

22 is a hearing and resolution approving plans and specs for the terminal roof replacement project phase three at the airport.

I'll move it.

Second.

Hearings now open.

Anyone to be heard?

Hearing is closed.

Passes 5023 is a hearing and resolution adopting the revisions of the administrative plan for the Section 8 housing choice voucher program.

I'll move that.

Second.

Hearings now open.

Anyone to be heard?

Seeing none, the hearing is closed.

Passes 5-0.

Citizen concerns first is David David Flores.

Come up and tell us what you want to talk about.

How's it going?

My name's uh David Flores.

Uh do you need anything else from me?

Or no?

Cool.

Uh little speech here for y'all.

So uh yeah, my name is uh David Flores, and I'm with the Nameless Project.

We're uh collective whose goal is to bridge the gap between city resources and the communities that need them.

As a new organization, we've been doing a lot of research into exactly what those gaps are.

While some may seem out of reach, one item does seem to be within seem to be within sight with the proper involvement and commitment from the city.

Downtown Sioux City does not have a any public restroom, and there's a documented need for one or more.

Our current environment is not ideal for anyone, businesses and citizens alike.

Many businesses have taken away their open restroom policy due to influx of unwanted behavior by some of the folks that are using them.

While this is understandable, it leaves those with a need for a restroom empty-handed.

The use of a restroom isn't a luxury, it is a uh human necessity.

To help alleviate this issue, the nameless project held a fundraiser to host the port-a potty at one of four streets private properties.

Even though, even in its short time of its deployment, we have seen the benefits of its placement.

Um our suggestion would be to deploy a self-cleaning restroom.

Uh, we have some research on that.

Having at least one would minimize the number of incidents that were occur in the downtown area.

Having more than one allows for a downtown to be more approachable for citizens and visitors.

A self-cleaning restroom would remove some of the general maintenance that comes with the uh with this public service.

This proposal ties right in with Sioux City's current strategic plan.

Um notes on those.

Uh we for a gross city, a restroom downtown makes our downtown area more approachable.

For Valley Sioux City, a restroom is a basic basic necessity.

Anyone in this busy part of town should be able to access this basic need.

Uh Connect Su city, this effort shows that our local government is willing to work with its citizens' concerns.

Protects the city, this allows privacy for citizens and are in our downtown area, includes the city.

Some citizens may not have access to this need, but being part of this of our city's population, they deserve it.

Uh I have contacted uh members of this chamber regarding this proposal.

Unfortunately, with no response.

My hope is that after hearing this idea, you may uh reach out to further discuss the possibilities of this venture.

Uh greatly appreciate uh you guys' time today.

Thank you.

If you wouldn't mind staying after, I'd love to talk to you about that.

Yeah, I'd greatly appreciate that.

Thanks.

Okay.

Sir, did you want to speak?

Yep, come on up.

Um my name is Ken Krieber, and I apologize for speaking on turn earlier.

No, no, you're fine.

I was a little confused on the process.

Um I have a travel trailer that is stored just off of Floyd Boulevard in Leeds, where I live.

Unfortunately, I cannot get it to my house as there is an obstacle course of low-hanging limbs all along routes.

So my process is to load the truck up, proceed to the camper, then move everything into the camper and prior to heading out.

A few weeks ago, uh, we had a two-week camping trip planned, so that meant a lot more stuff.

So I elected to pull the RV up to the house, load it up, and uh um go from there.

The the trip up there was uneventful because I I I got uh there without any scrapes or scratches on the vehicle or on the camper.

Unfortunately, when I was uh leaving, I had to I was pointed in a different direction, so had to uh take a different route back to Floyd.

This led to damage to the RV due to low-hanging limbs that marred the RV.

Uh for context, the RV stands 10 feet tall with about two feet of air conditioning, etc.

on top of it.

Uh so I think the city ordinances for 14 feet of clearance.

So, but the marring was done at about the nine, nine and a half foot level along the side of the camper.

So I spent uh better part of a day uh buffing, trying to remove scratches, waxing, etc.

I got a lot of it out with the exception of the decals and uh metal part of the um awning armature.

That would have to be um fixed by replacing the decals or repainting.

So um what I'm really looking for is um uh the ordinance to be enforced.

You know, while garbage trucks and the like may not be concerned um themselves with scuffs and scratches to the tops of their equipment.

I am concerned.

All I ask is that the current ordinance in place be enforced.

Where did you run into the trees at?

What's um it's it's all along between Polk, Tyler, Fillmore, those areas, all those streets on 41st Street.

Off well, um all the way coming down, so just off of Floyd.

There's within about the streets themselves.

Yes, the side streets off of Floyd going up, yes.

There um and uh like I said, I was able to use the old uh route that the uh DOT when it was in existence over there to get to it.

Once I got to my house, my camper was turned in the uh wrong direction to backtrack, so I had to go through some um other streets, and that's when the damage occurred.

All right.

Yeah, I don't know how we do that, Mike, but can you talk to your pump trimming crew actually?

Thank you for your time.

Okay, thank you.

Anyone else be heard David, while you're here, I just wanted to at least address what you had brought up.

Um, because I believe in at least talking to you about it while you're here, and I didn't get any correspondence or I didn't remember seeing an email, so if I missed something, I apologize.

Um we get a lot of correspondence, so I'm sorry if I missed something to get back to you.

Um I would tell you that look, I I serve on the downtown partners committee.

Um I spend time downtown um shopping and dining and going to all kinds of events throughout our downtown.

I understand your plight and your your need for basic human decency to be able to have public restrooms for individuals to be able to utilize them.

I I I hope you know that I do.

I do have a lot of concerns over the cleanliness or the ability to keep them clean and not be damaged, not be trashed, not be defaced, all kinds of different things, yeah.

You can come up.

All kinds of different things.

And that and what I would base that off of is just my experience with even our parks, you know, and our park system.

And so that's the concern I have is where do you put those things?

How do you um encourage or enforce you know, there to not be more issues by having them placed?

And I think some of those things are things that I'm continually thinking about as location, as well as just making sure they're not further defaced because I know our parks and rack department.

It's difficult to stay on top of just the restrooms in those parks.

Well, I'm well.

Yeah, and I want them to be maintained.

I want them to be utilized.

I want them to where I don't care who you are, a kid or anyone to be able to use those restrooms during the day, you know, when they're at a park or something.

And I know that there are plenty of places that we should have more restrooms, especially along trail systems and other things.

I mean, I get that.

So I didn't, I just that's where I was coming to.

No, I appreciate that.

Uh reason to follow up with that, right?

So uh there was recently a project that was approved downtown, right?

There's these speakers that are put up there.

It was like a $60,000 venture.

I mean, that's your budget there.

You know, you can allocate those uh what purpose is that music out there really serving to uh to allow somebody to go and you know use the restroom around the corner with some background music.

I mean, that's uh I mean there's ways to allot the budget, right?

There's there's there's always ways to do it.

I have a hard time believing that we couldn't.

Um and and I say that as we maintain this porta potty, right?

We uh this this nameless project is a group of individuals that have been again, we're active.

But I'm I'm following you on social.

I mean, I get it, I am watching so.

Oh, I'm excellent.

No, I'm I'm aware and I appreciate I'm just saying like that's I know where my concern is.

And also thinking about budgets differently.

I mean, the music project was more of a downtown uh quality of life amenity.

Now you could make the argument that not having people publicly urinating or defecating is a public amenity, I understand um or quality of life amenity, but I'm just thinking through, you know, of where different funding mechanisms are coming from and how you keep them sightly.

Sure.

And I I mean I this is beyond the scope of the uh you know one meeting, right?

But I do I do believe that there's that there are there are ways to do that.

I mean, other cities do it.

We're we're not that big of a city, unfortunately, our the homeless population has grown to a significant amount, especially in the downtown area, especially in an area where uh agreed.

You know, we we'd like to take pride in, and again, adding music tooth to the solution is like you know, using an air freshener for everything smart.

Yeah, that was a different thing.

It wasn't a city thing.

That was well thanks for the clarification.

Yeah, that's not a city function, just so you know.

No, well, thanks.

I mean, I that still doesn't take away from my argument regardless, right?

I mean, that we're still again.

So I mean, I mean, I can go on to other projects.

I mean I apologize for not having my reason my sources here.

But no, that's fine.

It it can be done.

Again, it's it's an effort.

I mean, uh even our organization uh itself has been like, hey, if something like that would come up, we would be willing to help.

It's it's not one of those like, hey, we the the want and the and and the need are both strong enough out that I think we it could be done.

And again, it would help for it for just for for the example, right?

The the place that we have now downtown right now, it's 1404 uh 4th Street, right?

Right behind the old Francis Canteen hardline slash winnies, right?

There's a tiny park there, right?

So before that, within at least a couple months that we had it now, there's at least from what we've seen, there's been uh a decline in uh folks using the rest of there publicly, right?

Because you'd go out and occasionally you know, see people either using it or you see the aftermath, right?

So again, and in that short time, and you know, the the the homeless community here that's it's they're almost like their own uh we could say uh I don't want to say family, right?

But they're they they they talk amongst each other, right?

But it I I almost feel like there's almost a respect that comes there after talking to a few of them of saying, hey, we put this up here for you guys, and it's been taken care of.

We haven't had these messes that you know, and mind you, it's been a small amount of time, but mind you, I would foresee that if we were to maintain this, I don't I don't think we would see that, especially with how we're getting involved with the community.

I mean, we're looking to be out there, you know, uh feet on ground and talking to all these folks and letting them know hey, we we we are here for you, and we are here to help you.

And I think if we were to take that approach, uh there would be much respect to that.

So I understand.

And I think we can continue the conversation and see what is a good happy medium.

I would love to see the examples you have of other communities, you know, and what they've done, but I just wanted you at least know some of my initial hesitations or things that I think you have to work through in order to have those conversations.

Valid concerns.

I think those are probably the initial concerns that uh they presented when we put them in the property.

Was hey, what are we gonna do when we wake up and there's a guy in the in the port pot, right?

Yeah.

I I understand.

So we'll appreciate the time.

Thanks, David.

Anyone else be heard?

Hello, my name is Deb Willer.

I live at 2820 Mulberry Court.

And um a little over a month ago, late hours of August 5th, we had that water main break, and uh it was a mess.

It was a mess.

Uh for a little over an hour I had water coming into my home.

It was brown, brown water.

And I just want to make sure that something is gonna be done to fix kind of the area there.

I mean, we've had a lot of of water brains uh breaks in that area.

I've been there eight years, and I know they've done repairs at least three different times on the street.

And so it's just I just want to first of all, one of the things I should have said first of all too was I want to thank Ron Engel.

He helped us a lot.

You know, he was there at 2 15 in the morning.

You know, I was busy with him.

And he says, We're here behind you, the city's gonna take care of this, you know, we're gonna get everything you know taken care of.

That's great.

But I want to know how are we gonna make sure that this doesn't happen again?

I mean, the water main broke and got into the sewage line and flooded our homes.

I don't know the answer to that, but Mike Julian, Alex serve on that committee.

So will you guys work with Gordon and Mike and see but yeah, we will.

When we can look at the I mean, I was thinking that it's like you can we can look at the age of that and when replacement was and what that area looks like, but unfortunately, I mean Gordon's not here, but I think and I hear Dave Carney's voice in the back of my head that you know our infrastructure is is aging, it's incredibly aged, and you are having more and more of those failures.

What I will say is that I think we've tried to proactively address and replace some of those through various projects, whether it's American rescue plan dollars or otherwise to replace those and try to be proactive for some of those older older ones.

You know, there was one on Pierce Street that was experiencing the same thing.

It was flooding our orpheum and our public library.

And so then finally we had those um American rescue plan dollars and we're able to fully replace that.

But I I can empathize with you that I would want to make sure that it's addressed too and it's not just a band-aid.

Right.

So I would I would tell you, I mean, the good news is is I'm glad we got it patched and worked with you through this, and we can look at what that area looks like and when it's fully going to be replaced or when it's on the plans for that.

But then the bad news is money, I mean, it's a very expensive endeavor, and we have a lot of infrastructure to replace, and so we'll just have to see where it lands.

Well, you know, one of the concerns too is is that you know where this was repaired and everything there on Seeger Avenue.

Oh probably what 15 yards or so from that, the street is breaking away again.

And so there's cones around there.

And so, you know, as a someone who lives in that area, you're thinking, oh my gosh, is this gonna happen again?

And it's a beautiful area, and it's like it was wonderful, you know, that I was glad that I was still awake at 11 06 when water started coming into my house.

You know, because we started acting right away between myself, um, you know, neighbors and everything.

Exactly.

And so we started, you know, just happening right away.

And so it just um, like I said, it's just when you see those cones and and you're wondering, okay, is it gonna happen again?

So let's try to figure out let's let Julian I'm sending the email right now.

And and let's see what we can do.

And Nicole says she has all your information.

So, Mike, will you stay in touch with her, please?

I will.

Okay, thank you.

And we'll just try to address that area.

Yeah, we appreciate it.

Thank you so much.

Maybe look at a priority listing that we have.

That's what I wonder for these types of projects.

Anyone else to be here?

Okay, thank you.

I've had it added to the agenda for our next meeting for discussion, and we'll look at it.

Thank you.

Matthew.

Um, first I'm gonna I want to thank Unity and the community.

Um they they moved down to the riverfront this year.

It was really nice having it in that space.

Um, I did notice that the the police and the sheriffs didn't do the dunk tank.

I think maybe it was a little bit too windy.

A little scared of the coldness, but that's okay.

Um, but it was a it was well attended, and it was really nice seeing that space get as much use as it's gotten.

Um tonight is the mayor's youth commission young ambassadors ceremony at seven o'clock.

Um so I'm looking forward to a new batch of young ambassadors.

Art splash this weekend.

Um, and then this is a little further out, but the next re-event um since Ara was here for the whole meeting.

Um, the next uh reevent is the 27th from 9 to 12.

So if you have any electronics or anything that need recycled, that is everything.

Really?

I don't have anything to say, Alex.

Gosh, I keep feeling like a broken record.

I mean, I worked with city staff, various city staff on numerous different projects throughout the week, but looking at sidewalk areas where they're we have a sidewalk area that's not completed or what have you, but city staff has been on top of at least addressing and looking into those unknown nothing to share necessarily here.

Dan?

Nice picture in the paper of you.

Anyway, that's all at the end of the day.

At the union picnic.

Are you making fun of me?

No, it's a nice picture of you.

I only broke two camera lenses.

It was fun.

That's all I was in the mayor.

Are you done?

I'm no, I'm done.

Okay.

I was in Kenosha, not on business, but pleasure.

And I read that the can I think it's a Kenosha city has a class action suit going against all the fire truck manufacturers because they've got it down to three, and fire trucks have gone up from when I got off the council the last time to now five times.

And so they're suing them, and I wish we would join that class action suit because I do believe they're fixing prices here.

You can't have and if you think they're bad now, wait till you get a 15-20% steel tariff.

Tear up on it.

And they keep buying each other out.

We're down to like two or three now.

They have different names, but they're all owned by the same company.

And they compare what they're charging for fire trucks, which ought to be against the law.

But it's public record, so anyway, I think we should join that lawsuit because I I've seen those trucks escalate so much in price, and they're they're not that much different that it they should go up that much.

Second of all, we did a nice job from what I understand on the Floyd Trail, but why do we not take the signs down and open them up?

What's going on there?

They're still barricades off each end everywhere.

I don't know if they're just waiting for that to cure.

I don't see Gordon out there.

But the approaches, I think, on the ends.

But that's not where the barricades are.

Okay.

So you know.

I mean, I don't know that that's not the reason.

But we had some tweaking yet to do a couple of things.

They did that.

I we I think we got that as a change order already that was on today.

Okay.

Anyway, the whole thing shouldn't be closed, Mike, is all I'm saying.

Yeah.

I mean, something should be open.

They did a great job though.

It does look nice.

A nasty job with little trucks because they couldn't get big ones in there.

And lastly, I just want to say way to go cyclones.

I don't care if I make Hawkeye fan today.

Go clones.

One by the kit.

I move we adjourn.

I'm I'm gonna second that, but I'm just glad you didn't say anything about the bears.

The bears play the nine, and I gotta be here.

They play a good deal.

Waters.

Aye.

Moore.

Aye.

O'Kane.

Aye.

Shanner.

I Scott.

I would look into that.