Rayford here.

Shayner here.

Scott.

Here, please stand for a moment of silent prayer, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance.

Pledge of allegiance.

The United States of America.

And so the Republic for which it stands.

One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

Morgan here.

Don't see Morgan.

I don't see her.

Anybody here with Mount Health or this month?

There is not news representing the nation online.

Whereas, on behalf of the City Council, I'm pleased to join the Historic Preservation Commission in promoting May 4th through the 19th as Historic Preservation Week in Sioux City, Iowa.

Whereas historic preservation is an effective tool for managing growth, revitalizing neighborhoods, fostering local pride, and maintaining community character while enhancing livability.

Whereas historic preservation is relevant for all Americans of all ages, all walks of life, and all ethnic backgrounds.

Whereas it is important to celebrate the role of history in our lives and the contribution made by dedicated individuals in helping preserve the tangible aspects of the heritage that has shaped us as a people in a community.

Now that therefore I Robert E.

Scott, mayor of the city of Sioux City, Iowa, on behalf of the City Council, to hereby proclaim May 4th through May 9th, 2026's historic preservation week.

I read it the way it was, so we'll get that change for you.

In Sioux City, Iowa, and urge all our citizens to learn more about Sioux City and its rich and historic past.

I'd like to present this to you guys and thank you for the great work you do in our community.

You do a great job of making Sioux City better and say a few words.

Oh okay.

Um let's just do a quick recap of what the week entails.

The highlights were all well, of course, today.

I mean, look how many people came in.

Yeah, yeah.

And then Wednesday night, Tom will be doing Sioux City Trivia at Sioux City Distilling.

That is who our award is going to this year for historic preservation great feasts.

So if you have not been to Sioux City Distilling, you'll have two chances this week to go.

Six o'clock on Wednesday for Sioux City Trivia.

Uh Austin Foster will be serving some cocktails.

And we'll have some food.

And then Friday at four, we will present them with the Sioux City Star Award for his epic uh things he's done with preserving the Ogden Building, better known as the Wigman Building.

It's at four.

So that'll be fun.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

We have a proclamation that reads, whereas Sioux City recognizes that nothing is more precious.

It's a well, we've got to go over these, more precious in our community than the growth and development of our children and every young person deserves a safe, loving, and stable home.

And whereas foster care plays a vital role in providing safe and nurturing environments for children and youth in need.

And whereas foster kinship and adopted families open their hearts and homes to children whose families are in crisis, play a vital role in helping children and families heal and reconnect, thereby launching young people into successful adulthoods.

And whereas a strong network of community partners, including nonprofits, volunteer mentors, education and government agencies help create a sport system that uplifts youth and care and promotes long-term stability and well-being.

Whereas Sioux City acknowledges the essential work of these individuals and organizations, encourage more residents to become involved by fostering, advocating and supporting families in their community.

Now therefore, our Robert E.

Scott, mayor of the city of Sioux City, Iowa, on behalf of the City Council to hereby proclaim May 2026 as National Foster Care Month, and urge our residents to recognize the significance of foster care and honor the individuals and organizations committed to improving the lives of children and youth in foster care.

I'd like to present this.

Do you guys say a few words?

We'll get that one word change.

That's great.

So my name is Emma Kroll, and this is Gene Schneiders.

We are here with Four Oaks Lutheran Services in Iowa, representing foster care and adoption here today.

We just want to thank you guys for declaring May as National Foster Care Month.

And then as well as thank our families out there supporting our children.

And then again, we do have a huge need of foster families across the state of Iowa, especially here in our county.

So if you are interested, go to our website, Iowa Foster and Adoption.org.

Very good.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Morning Hassel.

We'll go to the consent agenda items two through 19G.

Constitute a consent agenda.

Items pass unanimously, unless a separate roll call vote is requested by a council member.

Anyone wishing to speak on an agenda item may come to the podium at the time the item is being discussed.

Anyone wishing to speak on an item not on the agenda may do so at the end of the regular meeting during citizen concerns.

Please always remember to state your name for the record and then provide your statement.

I'll move the consent agenda.

Second.

Two is a reading of the city council minutes of April 27, 2026.

Three is a motion appointing Corrine Eriksson to the Active Transportation Advisory Committee upon due consideration of the circumstances the City Council waives the policy that no person shall serve on more than one board or commission.

Four is a resolution authorizing staff to proceed with negotiations with Riverside Technologies to formulate a contract as the IT managed service provider for Oak Views groups, city managed facilities.

Under the management agreement, who has John, do you have this?

Under the management agreement with Oakview, is this our cost expense or is this an expense that they incur, but we manage the contract for them?

I'm not sure if I have John Molloy, IT.

Not sure if I have it won't affect approving it, but could you maybe get me a summary?

Absolutely.

Thanks, John.

Five is a resolution authorizing the staff to proceed with negotiations from MCP management to formulate a contract as the primary vendor for the city and county cabling services.

Six is a resolution authorizing staff to proceed with negotiations with Thompson solutions to formulate a contract as a secondary vendor for city and county cabling services.

I need to abstain conflict of interest.

Seven is a resolution adopting plans inspects for the Nebraska Street Water Main Replacement Project, 5th Street to 8th Street.

Nine is a resolution appointing Jason Allen to the transit director.

Mike.

Yeah, uh Council, I would like uh Jason maybe to come up for a minute just to introduce him.

Jason's been with the city four years as our transit operations manager, has done an outstanding job.

He's been key in internal and external things that transit has going on.

He made it a really easy decision for me.

Um so with that, maybe just a little bit about yourself and hi, I'm Jason Allen.

I've been with transit for about four years.

I get the privilege of working with awesome maintenance personnel, bus drivers, uh administrative staff.

Um we serve the public up close and personal, getting them where they need to go every day.

So that's uh an honor that we don't take lightly.

So um resident of Sioux City for the last 12 years, and so um I look forward to being here a lot longer.

So um it thank you for the opportunity.

I'm very humbled and certainly got big shoes to fill.

Congratulations.

Thank you.

Congratulations.

Thank you.

You guys need to come back every week.

Yeah, we love it.

Positivity.

10 resolution accepting the work and authorizing payment to KP construction for the West Clifton Avenue Sanitary Sewer Siphon Improvement Project.

11 is actions relating to grants.

A is a resolution authorizing the city manager to submit an airport state funding application for a commercial service vertical infrastructure grant to the IDOT to assist with terminal improvements at the airport.

B is resolution authorizing the submitted city managers to submit an airport state funding application for an airport improvement program grant to the IDOT to assist in the third phase of the South Apron reconstruction project at the airport.

Does 11B doesn't have anything to do with the 185th?

It does not.

But uh on the chamber trip last week, there was obviously quite a bit of dialogue in D.C., but there was also dialogue at the state level.

So I would encourage you to maybe reach out to either Chris McGowan or Barbara and ask them were their discussions regarding the 185th and potential state funding that was actually finalized in part of the bill that they closed on this weekend for 10 million dollars.

Very good.

Oh, so it was limited to 10 million because in the discussions last week, um, they were actually sensing that 10 million was the floor, so it did stick at 10 million.

That's what I saw.

Okay.

Okay.

Thank you.

C is a resolution authorizing the city manager to apply for an air service sustainment grant with from the IDOT to assist with marketing efforts at the airport.

B is a resolution authorizing the police department to submit an application to the State of Iowa congressionally directed spending request for grant funding to purchase a surveillance ban.

E is a resolution authorizing the city manager to submit an airport improvement grant application to FAA to fund the Taxi Way C rehabilitation project at the airport.

F is a resolution authorizing the city manager to submit an airport improvement grant application to the FAA to fund perimeter fence improvement project at the airport.

Twelve are actions relating to street closures.

A is a resolution temporarily closing various streets in the downtown area every Friday, beginning June 5th and continuing through August 7th for food truck Fridays.

B is a resolution.

About a month ago, we talked about possibly identifying a permanent food truck location.

Have we had any more discussions on that?

We have not.

Okay.

If we could maybe continue those discussions.

Yes.

Thank you.

B is a resolution temporarily closing various streets in the downtown area on June 6th for the Sioux City Pride Festival.

C is a resolution temporarily closing various streets in the downtown area on June 4th to accommodate the Sioux City Pride Parade and staging.

D is a resolution temporarily closing various sections of alleys and streets in the area of Fifth Street and Floyd Boulevard.

June 12th and June 13th for the ride for the kids event.

E is a resolution temporarily closing various streets and alleys and streets in the Leeds neighborhood on June 14th for the Leeds Community Days Street Dance and Car Show.

F is a resolution temporarily closing various streets in the Leeds neighborhood on June 12th for the Leeds Community Days parade and staging.

13 are actions relating to civil penalties and suspensions.

These will be moved to after item 21 because they're a hearing rather than an uh consent item.

Fourteen are actions relating to you need a motion to move.

I'll move that we move items 13A and B to the final agenda items for a hearing.

Second.

Bertand?

Rayford.

Aye.

Shayner.

I got 14 are actions relating to agreements and contracts.

A is a resolution approving renewal option number one to the purchase order with high camp for an additional one-year period for aluminum.

B is a resolution approving accepting a cooperative agreement from HUD for the purpose of processing housing discrimination complaints by the Human Rights Commission.

C is a resolution accepting a license and naming agreement with Security National Bank for the naming rights of the baseball playing surface at Lewis and Clark Park.

D is a resolution approving a contract with Sioux City Engineering for 2829 Home Street Emergency Storm Sewer Repair Project.

E is a resolution granting a permit to Verizon Wireless to maintain underground fiber and related facilities in the area of Harris Street, West 19th Street, and Castleman Street.

G is a resolution approving a consulting services agreement with McClure Engineering for the Correctionville Road over Bacon Creek Culvert Replacement Project.

H is a resolution approving a First Amendment to the development and minimum assessment agreement with WB land and development.

The property at 3,000 outer drive.

Mayor, I got a question on that on that one.

Just uh Renee, just I just wanted to know like how did we get to the amount or do you agree to get to I I mean I like it.

I like what we're doing.

Um just had a couple of questions.

Sure.

Renee Billings, economic development manager.

So the original agreement with the developer provided that they would have a minimum assessment of five million in year one and then 7.5 million in year two and then thereafter.

Um so Midwest Wheel is going to come in and build the new facility.

So they have agreed to take four million of the minimum assessment.

So the developer will be left with a one million uh minimum assessment in year one and then 3.5 million thereafter.

And so we'll likely come back while as additional development happens, and then additional new projects will take on the remaining minimum assessment.

And it's important to note those are only minimum assessments.

If the assessor comes in and works with the developer that it deserves an increased assessment, they're not limited to that minimum assessment number.

Correct.

It's likely that overall property will be assessed that much higher than the 7.5 million when all is developed.

Are we are we are we leaning at trying to do this with more developers and those things?

Yes, absolutely.

As um developers need help with infrastructure.

This is kind of the way we can come in and help with the upfront cost of infrastructure.

They take on a large minimum assessment and then divide it over the projects that get developed on the property.

It also protects the taxpayer in the thank you.

I I appreciate this.

Yep, thank you.

Renee, do you know when the construction is supposed to start with Midwest Wheel?

Um, Midwest wheel, I believe, will start in 27.

Thank you.

I is a resolution approving a minimum assessment agreement on the Med Midwest Wheels with Midwest Wheel Company, the property at 3,000 outer drive.

J is a resolution approving an amendment number one to the service provider agreement with Northwest Electric for the return activated sludge pump repair at the wastewater treatment plant.

15 are actions relating to property.

A is a resolution amending chapter number 2026-0357 relating to the hearing on the manager's report of demolition and the resolution declaring a structure to be dangerous and dilapidated and authorizing city manager to carry out such an order to demolish by authorizing a 90-day delay in demolition of the property at 2818.

Sergeant Road, the owner is Porsche LLC.

Go ahead, Darryl.

Excuse me.

The property owner does has provided the $10,000 cashier's bond, all of the estimates of repairs from the contractors, and uh significant letter of financial means to do the project.

Um staff would recommend a 90-day stay of demolition with bond.

These are the owners here if you have any questions for them.

Go ahead.

So plans.

Um so I'm Tanya Vikalskis.

This is my husband Jeff Okolskis.

Do you need our address?

No.

Okay.

Okay.

Um, our plans are to fix it up, completely restore it.

Um, this is not the first project we've done.

Um, we understand ethical and sustainable restoration.

My husband is an electrical contractor.

I have worked in residential real estate for 22 years, and um we live in the area.

We live about a mile away, and um we believe in this property.

I saw your post on social media, and you have a lot of people who are just excited that you've taken on the project and that you're gonna bring some life back into that property.

Yeah, and we're not your typical fix and flippers.

Um, I've been in enough properties over the years that I can understand the difference between a property that has been well done and maybe um one where someone has maybe not put quite enough money into it, um, so where it just is meeting the the bare minimum.

Um I do have a little um I guess letter.

So um just we understand the concerns that surround the house.

Um it had been vacant for years, had issues with unauthorized entry and had deteriorated significantly.

We stepped in because we want to prevent it from being demolished and restore it properly.

Um we have since purchasing the property, we've been on a stay, so we can't um we wanted to have the HVAC installed.

Um we have all of our contractors lined up and they are all local companies.

Um I've given Daryl um some of the information.

Um, but we since we can't do any like real permitted type work, we have been cleaning it out.

Um what are your time frames?

How are you gonna phase the work?

Um, yes, so we had um HVAC, um Excel Comfort and Heating and Cooling was supposed to have um pulled the appropriate permits and already started on the HVAC, but we were told that we had to stop.

Um the electrical will be easy whenever my husband's crew can get to it.

Um say easy.

Some people say that plans.

Plumbing, um, we have Wes Rasmussen with CW Suter lined up.

Um he can start when we need to, and we have um A and B right the the biggest um obstacle we see will be um just those retaining walls need to be, they need to come down.

Um the city's gotten the job scope.

Um the retaining wall project alone is about a $32,000 project.

So um, but yes, we we feel we can get it to the state where we can get the tag removed within 90 days if if we're so allowed.

Tanya, I think one of the biggest concerns was the um, I think some of the neighbors just felt like it would just be you know, someone would come in and just kind of over some things and yeah, yeah.

And I mean, so thank you for being here today.

Yes, and we've we've done uh other projects, um, some we still own and live in on a part-time basis.

Um I um own and operate um in air um in short-term rental.

And that I'm a super host, and that um is in the top 10 percent of all properties for that type of so we don't like we take pride in what we do.

I will say that the scope of work that I've received do indicate uh or does indicate that it will take it beyond the minimum housing standards.

I know I know during the placard hearing the issues that Ike was pointing to, in addition, there were safety concerns, hoarding issues.

Is it cleaned out now and is the property safe?

So you know, hoarding is a mental illness, and we um did make arrangements with the owner that she could come in and remove her stuff after closing.

Um she believes she will have that completely done.

She told us by Wednesday.

Um we have Wednesday of this week, Wednesday of this week.

We do have um within our contract, we allowed that property to be um May 8th as her absolute deadline to have everything out.

Anything that is in after Friday, May 8th will become our property, and she can no longer have entry to the property.

Okay.

Did uh did he ask you first before you bought it?

I generally move you kind of moved on your own to the other way.

He did not get my permission to buy the property.

No, he didn't.

Uh I'm glad you guys are stepping up in the neighborhood, your local and everything, and uh, you know, good luck.

Yeah, I think we can do it.

Absolutely.

Yeah, good luck, have fun.

Daryl, are you comfortable that the neighborhood is supporting the project and believes in the project?

In the am I comfortable in the neighborhood?

Comfortable than that the neighborhood.

We had quite a bit of them here.

I I know that and I I see the wood berries here, which is why I'm asking the question.

Is there I've had I've received no no additional other than what was at the cab at the placard hearing meeting.

Yeah, we we missed that meeting.

Um we were under the impression we had everything ready to go.

And uh we found out after the fact that that we probably should have been there.

We did um mail out all the neighbors a letter of kind of uh explanation.

Explanation kind of uh, you know, what uh airplane's eye view of what we intend to do and who we are.

Any responses to the letter that you said?

Um nobody has reached out to me.

Anyone else want to be heard?

Well, we wish you well.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Get to work on it.

B is a resolution proposing to sell a vacated part of H Street adjacent to 702 St.

Mary Street and a vacated North South Alley's adjacent to 702 St.

Mary's Street.

The petitioners, Amy Lynn Pierce and Damon Marcus Pierce.

16 purchasing A is a resolution awarding a purchase order to I State Truck Center for two dump trucks.

B is a resolution awarding a purchase order to Keras Corporation for sodium per magnet magnate for the water treatment plant.

17 are applications for cigarette tobacco, nicotine vapor product permits, 18 are applications for alcohol license, 19 are boards commission and committed minutes.

Anyone to be heard on any of those items?

Nicole question on 15B.

Does that have to be heard again next week?

Or is that complete that transaction?

15 D it's a purchase order, so it's just one vote on the case.

So they can proceed from there.

Yes.

Okay.

Thank you.

I think they were the impression they had to come back in next week for a second reading, but it's not.

No, for resolutions, it's just one ordinances that are.

That's what I thought.

And I have one question on 19A, the airport board of trustees.

We don't have a council representative on the airport board.

Is that correct?

That's correct.

And but you would you attend the meetings, correct?

I do.

Is there a reason why we don't have a council member?

It's an administrative board.

I think administrative boards don't necessarily have council representatives from electronically, folks.

I'll move that.

Second.

Public hearings now open.

Anyone to be heard?

Seeing none, the hearing is closed.

Passes 5021 is a hearing resolution approving approving plans and specs for the Seeger Avenue water main replacement project.

I'll move that.

Second.

Hearings now open.

Anyone to be heard?

Seeing none, the hearing is closed.

Passes 5013 are actions relating to civil penalties and suspensions.

A is a resolution assessing a 300 civil penalty against love truck stop number 479, 2525 Singing Hills Boulevard for violation of the cigarette laws.

I'll move that.

Second.

Public hearings now open, anyone to be heard.

Seeing none, the hearing is closed.

Passes 50 B is a resolution accepting assessing a $1,500 civil penalty and a 30-day suspension of the cigarette permit permit issued to Sky High Smoke Shop and Vape.

1901 Hamilton Boulevard for violation of the cigarette laws.

I'll move that.

Second.

Public hearings now open.

Anyone to be heard?

Seeing none, the hearing is closed.

I did have a earlier question with Nicole and Heidi in light of the fact that this is their third prior fine, the suspension.

Um as it relates to their application, but it doesn't affect their ability to apply for their 2627 application, correct?

Okay.

You want to be heard on that, please come forward.

I'm voting for Sky High Smoke Shop.

Can you make sure and speak right into that microphone?

Introduce yourself.

State your name, please.

My name is Moose Almos Me.

I'm the owner for Sky High Smoke Shop.

I do everything for uh for my business for like I do this camp for the I do scan the idea, and I do all everything I respect the law.

But right now, I have the the letter, you know.

For the fee, like it's thousand five hundred everything for uh the fee.

I will do it for the one, but I don't know.

How can I do it for the umblete, you know, because this is the mistake for the umblete.

Could you move the microphone up a little bit?

I'm sorry, I'm having trouble hearing you.

I say, I don't know how can I do it for the the worker with my business, you know, because you have a lot of business.

I I don't know what they can do.

You're saying your employees aren't scanning the ID cards?

Yeah, sometimes you have the mystic, you know.

I don't know.

Well, I told him I have I have the the system, I have this uh the sign from outside from the door and and the cash register and everything, you know.

But I told him every anyone he does the ticket, I gonna fire him.

I don't care, you know.

I hear he doesn't respect my business.

But staff is not using the ID process.

Is that right?

Yes.

Anyone he has the mystic, I gonna fire him, you know, because I told him you don't you don't respond the business, you don't respect my business.

How can I trust you for my business?

Because I don't know, but right now.

I don't know what they're gonna do if you have give me the another chance.

I don't like close for my store like for 30 days.

I don't think we're allowed to do that.

Yeah, I don't think we are.

I know the third violation, it is a 1500 and 30 days.

And we don't have a platitude to modify the penalty, correct?

That's state code that dictates that.

We're not closing the business.

Well, we we there isn't the but there's a 30-day suspension for the license, right?

Right.

Right, so he can't sell it.

I can't close it, you know.

But we can't do anything about it once it's the third fine that that's a state sets of parameters.

We don't, so we we have to suspend it and you have to close for 30 days, yes.

We have to close us 30 days.

Well, you can't go to the case.

Unless you're selling something else, but you better not get caught selling cigarettes and vape products and that.

No.

Do you do you sell other things in there?

No, only just cigarette and the vape.

This ain't oh I thought maybe I don't know like sodas and all right.

I do everything I respect the law.

I don't do anything like it's out of the loan anymore.

Because you gotta hammer that staff.

Right.

Unfortunately, as a third of the room as a third violation, our hands are tied.

So anyway, I don't know what I gonna do.

I have three stores right here in NSA City.

And they have in Omaha and so fault and Chicago.

I have too much headache for my business.

I don't know what I can do.

Well, the worker, you know, I do the system, I scan the ID, he scanned the ID and the system.

I I told him you can't scan the ID.

Whatever.

But I don't know.

I do everything.

Anyway.

We understand there's literally nothing that we can do.

All right, thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Anyone else?

Hearing is closed.

Passes 50 ordinances 22 is an ordinance amending chapter 13.08.

Sanitary sewer rates of the municipal code.

To increase rates for outside municipalities and outside improvement districts by a 27.4 effective November 1st, 2026.

First consideration approved on April 27th.

I'll move second.

Second.

Tom, what are the other cities saying?

I'll move second reading, yeah.

Tom Pingle Public Works Director.

I I haven't heard any comments from the other cities rather, other than uh thank you for letting them know.

And they do know.

Yep.

Okay.

And I can candidly, I was able to spend some time with Jeff Dooley on the chamber trip last two weeks ago, and he understood he acknowledged it, and he said that they uh completely understand the city's position.

Now I don't want to speak for him, but he was sharing that in his candor was you know very clear.

Same communications I've gotten from him in the past as well.

Um I I put a little analogy together for a citizen who is thinking, a local citizen who is thinking that the 27% sounds you know awful, but it equates to about four dollars and forty some cents for uh average household of two users.

understood he acknowledged it and he said that they uh completely understand the city's position now I don't want to speak for him but he was sharing that and his candor was you know very clear the same communications I've gotten from him in the past as well um I I put a little analogy together for a citizen who were is thinking a local citizen who was thinking that the 27 percent sounds you know awful but it equates to about four dollars and forty some cents for uh average household of two users so it's not as horrible as it seems it makes a good headline but it it's not as horrible as it seems I think it's very approachable but again everyone that uses that plant whether they're a sister city or whether it's in Sioux City has got to invest in it use it can't just be pay a little monthly bill we have to sustain it and we have to be accountable for the maintenance fund of it and there's no other way to do it.

This has to be fair and equitable not only the plant but it's the conveyance systems and all the lift stations that it all goes through so right a lot of infrastructure all the conveyance systems that it takes to keep that waste so Tom uh I understand all that I'm just asking the question yep good job you know what you jumped on that and uh it's smart business and I really appreciate you did a lot of work quick and found the legal ease around it and it's probably gonna do this again in a year and uh I thought you communicated it very well the big thing too is I want to make sure that people understand this is not Sioux City this is our sister cities.

This is Sergeant Bluff, the Dunes, um South Sioux are gonna pay their share and uh it needed to be done years ago and so we raised another million dollars to the kitty and seems like there's no resistance nobody's been here so great job.

Thank you.

Thanks, Council.

Thank you mayor passes five zero I still think when you do a 27 point four percent rate you should take all three readings so I'm would not find with that 23 is an ordinance amending chapter 12.30.020 stormwater program maintenance fee and 12.30 and zero three zero special rule for certain nonprofit organizations of the municipal code to modify the stormwater collection fee first consideration was approved April 20th the second consideration was approved April 27th.

I'll move third reading second passes five zero can I clarify this I apologize I misheard uh councilman Bertrand he was asking about 15 B instead of 16 B.

15B does require a hearing that will return to the council agenda on May 18th.

Then that's done and it's done done and then it will be done.

Yes.

24 is marked motion authorizing staff to draft a city ordinance legalizing the utilization of UTVs on specified city streets.

I'm not moving it I'll move it second so let's not with some discussion so I was unable to be at the public discussion because that was the week that I was in the mayor was as well in DC with the chamber trip.

And so I'm curious Ike if you could maybe share some of the input also I know that Ann forwarded a summary of the citizens' concerns and I was able to see it and read it but it was hard to decipher the dashboard gave you uh the dashboard gave you the totals yeah the dashboard gave you a visual more than just the very good one I'm with my craig I don't I'm uh maybe it was just my smaller screen this is in the nose that's I I just couldn't the final input I know that Ike's got a couple of different proposals but maybe before we get to what proposals might look like our next steps could you share a little bit about what you learned absolutely Tuesday night um as as I said a couple weeks ago I was actually very uh impressed and with the engagement of uh the citizens for the listening session we had a room full of of citizens out uh we had you know on a little bit on both sides I think um you know uh we heard a lot of good uh conversation uh the chiefs here and I don't know if you want to give some input as to some of the things you heard as well uh but um I I think we're at a point where we you know should uh ask staff to to at least draft a couple of options for ordinances and see what those look like as it relates to what the state has allowed us to do and uh and then we we we make a decision one question that that I have that in relates to the use of whether it's ATVs and I know this is just on U T V is not A TVs right but does Chief do you know or Ike do you know

I think um you know uh we heard a lot of good uh conversation uh the chiefs here and I don't know if you want to give some input as to some of the things you heard as well uh but um I I think we're at a point where we you know should uh ask staff to to at least draft a couple of options for ordinances and see what those look like as it relates to what the State has allowed us to do and uh and then we we we make a decision one question that that I have that in relates to the use of whether it's ATVs and I know this is just on UTVs, not ATVs.

Right.

But does Chief do you know or Ike do you know the when you purchase a UTV from one of the local retailers you get paperwork.

You get a booklet, a pamphlet did the manufacturers of the units recommend or do they do they say not for public street use?

Do you know Chief?

Rex Miller Police Department when we researched this a few years ago a lot of those vehicles do have a disclaimer that they're not made for that but I would imagine that this would be on an individual basis there's new classes of vehicles coming out so for me to comment and say you know a razor is a this isn't so I think that's uh I'd have to look at those vehicles I know a significant amount of them uh of the certainly the ATVs as opposed to the UTVs say for not for on road use for specific reasons.

But I I think you but you're not certain with the UTVs?

Well I and like I said it depends on the manufacturer.

I I'd hate to make a comment and be proven wrong because manufacturers have changed you know the tires the the suspension something that would make them uh more road roadworthy obviously they're made for off-road right so thanks chief and I do think that that distinction between ATVs and UTVs I'm um I I would go on the record as saying that I I will you know never vote to allow ATVs on city streets but I think the UTV is a different class of vehicle and uh from what I've seen and my research um yeah I I I think you know whatever we can do to to move forward.

So all we're doing today right is just giving direction you have a couple of proposals.

I got some ideas but I want to hear yours.

Well my my uh proposal I mean I've I've emailed staff to to come up with a couple of options.

Okay.

Uh what do you want to share those?

Yeah I can I'll sh I'll continue what the uh Chief I got a question.

On the ATVs and the UTVs uh what's the fine for an A TV fine on the road on all terrain a four-wheeler?

Do we know?

Well it depends on the the traffic violation.

I mean uh they would be they would fall into the same regulations that we you're talking about if it's not legalized?

Yeah right now ATVs ATVs aren't legal on the street right now I think it's 70 bucks a look on there I apologize.

Yeah.

Um so my question is how many because the concern is that from the police standard so they use these in a lot of other municipalities and other states or across the route um and I applaud Ike for giving this thing a vote which I think it deserves a vote one way or the other my question is how from the ATC is the is the biggest push by the police department is is it because you have to chase them or because of the up and they're going through yards or what's what's the biggest concern with um not even having an AT start with the ATVs what not having them on when the council asks for our guidance all I can do is provide uh what ifs is is forecast what are the potential consequences and uh you know do I have personal feelings yes my staff is divided as to whether or not this is something that should or shouldn't so obviously there's a difference of opinions out there.

Just in my research some of the concerns that were brought up was just uh the safety piece, their interaction with other traffic now the ATV or excuse me UTV advocates have said well they're safer than motorcycles that's a point that they point pointed out.

Noise also that being a concern because traditionally they're not quite as quiet and then that that gets brought up again.

Well people with straight pipes on the motorcycle those are allowed too underage drivers that the fact that these would be legalized almost like golf carts are we going to see underage drivers operating will if given the opportunity will people fall into the you know fall into line and follow the laws in that they would equip them as required with the appropriate light safety mirrors et cetera et cetera that again becomes another concern because those are usually add-ons there are enforcement challenges there's no doubt about it is there the possibility that people use them on bike trails, walking trails yes uh I think the um the uh talking session that uh councilman rayford uh uh facilitated did a very good job of allowing people to address some of those uh um thoughts regarding legalization uh I have reached out to other chiefs in the State didn't get much of a response for those that legalized they said they haven't seen uh a lot of uh enforcement issues meaning for those count uh communities that that legalized they haven't had a lot of issues that that made them

Uh I think the um the uh talking session that uh Councilman Rayford uh uh facilitated did a very good job of allowing people to address some of those uh um thoughts regarding legalization.

Uh I have reached out to other chiefs in the state, didn't get much of a response for those that legalized.

They said they haven't seen uh a lot of uh enforcement issues, meaning for those count uh communities that that legalized, they haven't had a lot of issues that that made them recommend one way or the other.

So my question, how many how many uh do you think we have an ATV issue right now in Sioux City at all, like an ATV issue?

I mean, with big uh uh of an recklessness, I mean just recklessness or a presence of a we've definitely seen some of that.

Yeah.

Watch Dash CAN footage of the.

How many tickets have we issued on ATVs?

I I don't even know.

I don't think it's many, like I said, because I know they're screaming around my neighborhood and we call and nobody gets busted.

Um my question is because when all the UTV, the UTV guys all present themselves, and I believe that that they're gonna they're gonna be responsible.

These are high dollar kind of buggies.

Um what I was what I would propose is when when they go to draw this up, and I can let me see if this follows with what you're thinking, is from a proposal standpoint is number one.

I think there's gonna be some confusion if we pass this between ATV and UTV immediately.

So I think we should rub up I think that fines and stinging is gonna is gonna help with enforcement.

So I think immediately we should look at take another look at what the fines are for ATV usage on roads, other than the 70 dollars.

Would we take that to a 250 fine or something like that?

We should take another look at the ATV fines if we bring this on board.

The other thing is on the UTV side of it, is it's gonna be training.

I'm not so much worried about the person that owns the buggy.

It's does the kid jump on it and tear off a cross there.

So there's got to be some some type of a uh household regulation to this component of it.

So what I would suggest, and this is just we're just don't ever get freaked out, is I think we should put something in place where on a first offense the vehicle is impounded and it's a thousand dollars.

So that right now it stings.

So if these are the everyday people that are coming in and they're doing what they're supposed to do, this should the this should not be an issue at all.

And then on a second, second, on a second offense, I think again, you impound the vehicle and it becomes a $1,500 offense.

So they it's it's gotta be, and then what what I like about this introduction with the fining part of it is it's going to get control of these vehicles, but then I think you sunset the fines after like three years, which is an introduction to their time, sunset the fines and then go.

Go ahead.

I don't know if we can do it or not.

No, we're limited to simple misdemeanors and the scheduled.

So what's the highest you can find?

I think it's is it 650?

Depends on the violation.

Depends on the violation.

We can either do a minus fund fraction, which can go up to a thousand dollars, but the judges have discretion as to what they actually institute on that.

Do we have discretion to impound?

That's uh dicey.

I mean, if it's if it's uh part of the yeah.

And I and I agree with C.

So if you gotta if you if you get if you've got kids jumping on it, because here's the biggest concern which you get for people to talk to, you talk to Meminards or Walmart.

The biggest concern is they're gonna jump on these things, they're gonna be terrorizing the neighborhoods.

So how do you get in front of it?

You get in front of it by where it's things.

So if if the kid jumps on it or the guy gets on it and they abuse that the privilege that the city is looking at giving it, then let's find it and let's impound it.

And then again, I I promise you, people aren't there, whatever our maximum fine we can do, or let's find the avenue that we need to do.

And I think that's to me that's a fair compromise.

I'm not trying to penalize the sale of the vehicles.

I think they're gonna they're gonna do very well in Sioux City.

Um, but I just think there needs to be an introductory, if you're screwing around, you get caught.

Consequence has to be.

There's there's gonna be going to be a real cut out, not 70 bucks.

And and that's been my complaint with the ATV thing, is that these there's no consequence with the ATVs.

Um that's they I I'm I'm open-minded on this thing completely.

I just think that'd like us to research more than Nicole on the on the what we can do from a from an enforcement standpoint.

Is that fair, Ike?

Absolutely.

Is that a fairly?

Yeah, and I and I believe that the uh those that were proponents uh offered that as well.

That's why I said they have to offer that.

Yeah, so that's kind of where we got it.

Nicole, the other question that I would have, and I know that I think Ike's ultimately gonna request maybe three different alternatives.

Um but the other piece, and part of the reason I was asking the question about the manufacturer's recommended use or recommended non-uses is an insurance question.

You know, if if they're not recommended for street use and there's an incident, doesn't will their insurance coverage cover claims.

So I think it's just something that we need to be aware of as well.

And I believe that's part of the registration with the DNR.

Because they have to have the proof of insurance.

Okay.

Um they do.

Because I don't think I have to with my boat.

When I reached my boat, I'm pretty sure I don't have to show them insurance.

I'm just looking really quickly.

And I was gonna say the DNA.

I don't you don't need to give us an answer today.

I just want that to be on your radar.

I think there is a minimum requirement with the DNR that they have to have the insurance requirement, be 18 years of age to operate and so forth about drivers like that.

Okay, thank you.

We'll follow those codes that are already in place by the DNR.

We'll have to look at exactly what we're allowed to do.

We can be more restrictive sometimes than the state unless it's preempted in the state code.

So those are all things we'll be looking at when we're bringing forward a draft as to what the max amount is that we can do for safety and regulations within the state parameters.

And and I've asked for a couple of options so that that we can have some.

But you're not proposing ATVs.

No ATVs off the table, only UTVs.

And uh would you guys be opposed to a once you pass an ordinance of like a one-year trial period?

I wouldn't and and that's part of the I think thing that I was looking at if if we're restrictive and we see how that goes, if we need to be a little less after a year, then we can do that.

But um I I think as as councilman Burtrand said, we let's let's be tight and then we can ease up later.

Mr.

Mayor, are you considering that?

Well, I I mean I don't have a huge problem with it, but I want to control it.

I mean, if you go to the Black Hills, there's more of them than there are cars right now, unfortunately, which is a little scary when there's three or four hundred of them running together, but but uh I just think if the kid jumps on the buggy and gets busted and 1500 bucks in impoundment, that's gonna stop that pretty quick.

Yeah.

Anyway, there are some state nicest cars.

There are some state restrictions that even you know for us being in Sous Sioux City or state highways that are not allowed on, you know, Gordon.

All of that will play into the draft or not.

Right.

So they're gonna vote whether or not we're going to move forward with having staff draft a couple of very limited direction.

Just move forward to draft and ordinance or multiple options or multiple language to give us consideration, taking into account everything that we've discussed.

And we'll be looking for direction down the road too, as well as which roads.

Um obviously we're limited on four lanes primary highways, right?

You know, state controlled highways, but if it's citywide, I mean those are all of the things that we'll need to be looking at when we're is there a maximum speed limit of 35 miles an hour?

It's actually 30.

Is it 30?

35, I believe.

So this is good dialogue.

You know, the the difficult part is, you know, it chief, as you mentioned, the UTVs are either as safe or safer than motorcycles or ZESPAs or other vehicles that are permitted on the road.

So it's uh it's a very difficult balance of what we should and shouldn't permit.

So I go ahead, Greg.

I do have the um dashboard from the total um of the uh survey that uh we put out and in support of the UTVs, it's about 67 percent who took the survey is in support of approving it.

Uh 31 percent against, and about 2 percent were unsure who took the survey.

So we're leaning towards wanting it.

It was a big sample is a big sample.

80, something like that.

Yeah.

And as I said the first night, you know, we we want to get it right.

We we want to be a city of of progressiveness and change and and and doing things, and so you know, we're taking our time with it.

So this is not a decision that we just said yes or no, and so eight hundred and twenty-six survey.

Okay.

Thanks, Chief Fee.

Thanks, Chief.

Citizen concerns, are there any citizens to be heard?

If so, please come to the microphone, state your name.

Hello.

I'm we hi, Tonga.

Wait, hey, how are you, Craig?

Hey, wanted to come back and discuss the property at 901 Nebraska Street, and I sent all of you guys in an email.

I appreciate the responses on that.

Um couple things.

One is trying to figure out when you get a 90-day stay, like like we we received in there, it it does outline that there has to be progress made on the property.

And I'm wondering what the definition of that is.

Progress would be actual movement forward, permits in place, contractors hired, those kind of things would be actual progress.

Just like what was here half hour ago with that property on South St.

Mary's.

That took nine, it took over nine months.

These people were here two weeks ago, and they've already got that stuff, and they've got contractors lined up.

There's a big difference.

You're not comparing apples and orange, you're comparing apples and oranges.

To be fair, I think that that is true.

It is not the same.

And the the only reason why is because I've restored many house properties, and they're not always required to have blueprints.

That is the major difference here.

Those guys and what they presented today was what I presented the day that the stay was was granted.

Everything that they brought today, Darrell, is is this true or not?

Requirements for commercial properties are different than requirements for residential properties.

That's what I'm saying.

It is different.

So it's not the same.

But everything that they provided today, I did provide the day that the stay of demolition was presented.

The only difference is that I have to supply blueprints.

So in order to do that, we couldn't do it until the demolition, the 90-day stay was granted because it's like it was it's almost 40,000.

So we communicated that we were not going to move forward on even starting the blueprint process until we were granted from City Council to move forward.

And so, and since then, there has been communication that that's what we were doing.

I have an email between Daryl and myself and with Heath the inspector in December, setting up time to meet and go over the property.

We've that was discussed at a prior um event here at the council.

Um we did show up at that meeting, so did the architects.

Um Lehigh was there at present for a few minutes and received phone call and left.

So there was not a final anything there other than basic questions from the architect, and they left.

So there was not a conclusion at that point.

It was that Darrell, that wasn't an accurate depiction.

I I apologize.

I have to just be straightforward because this is obviously my life here.

You weren't there.

You I asked you to be present, you sent Heath, which is totally understandable and I respect that.

But before prior to the meeting, I let them know my father was in the hospital, he had a heart attack.

If I get the call, I would have to go.

Before I left, though, and I wasn't there for only a few minutes, it was at least 30, 40 minutes at this point.

Before I left, I said, can you guys continue to iron this out?

And is there anything that you absolutely need me present for?

Because if so, I'd like to still be present and knock that out now before I go.

They all said it's totally fine, you can go.

They're professionals.

These guys draw up blueprints every single day.

Heath inspects, that's his job every single day.

They can work together and finding out if there was any discrepancies that were working for them on a construction standpoint versus what the city's expectation is, right?

I mean that understandable.

I sent Daryl that correspondence happened in December, came back.

We ended up not being able to move forward with that particular company.

We started again in January.

We then since finalized and got everything done and submitted back to the city in March.

So I that's very reasonable for me and what I think it would take somebody to get 14 unit blueprints done and submitted to the city.

That was two weeks ago.

I haven't heard back.

Uh and I know that they're busy, but I'm trying to figure out how what annotates progress because I asked to do physical work and was told no.

So the only way that I can do any work on the property is if I have blueprints done.

That progress has tried to be made.

So how you do or you do not have the blueprints?

I did, and I submitted them to the city two weeks ago.

Okay.

Yeah.

They were resubmitted after there was an initial considerations.

Their resubmittals do not have stamps on them, nor are they complete yet.

So they're not stamped and they're not completed.

You don't set was not.

The first set was.

But it was not a complete.

So revisions were made to it, sent in, and then the stamps were not present on those revisions either.

And we can I would be more than happy to get that.

But that that we have to come to city council meeting to be told that.

I'm just I I asked, hey, if there's anything that you need here, if you'd look if you could give that to me.

I'm not trying to be difficult, Darrell.

I I promise you that we've worked together for many years and never had a problem.

I've never ever I've never had a problem.

I mean uh like I'm actually dumbfounded because in the email that I stated and I included everybody, I made it very specific.

I'm more than willing to communicate.

You can reach out to me at any point in time.

I will absolutely jump on it and respond and get it done for you.

I even asked today if there was an update on the plans where we can where we can go from here, no response, and then we come here and you're like, well, yeah, there was problems with it.

Well, I'd love to know that so I can get on it for you guys.

Just like every other instance.

If there's any other problems in the permitting process, you reach out to the contractor and you give them that opportunity to make changes.

Why is that different right now?

But why is it different now than it was nine months ago?

It it is not different.

I I outlined the resurgence of energy and you're trying to rebuild trust with the city on a project that basically been abandoned since the new owner bought it in 2022, 23.

It's it's sat there.

I do understand all of a sudden the placard hearing comes, and you're being responsive to that.

To be fair, Julie was before that.

I've always and this is why I would like to ask, and I asked in the email.

I would like to ask Daryl if he's ever contacted me or his team, ask Keith, the inspector.

When you got let me explain something to you, when you got a 90-day stay.

I can't impress upon you enough that that's not Daryl's job anymore.

That's your job.

Correct, Bob.

You don't have to do you should be here.

Daryl should not have to be here.

Darrell asked me not to, Bob.

Well, there is there was no urgency whatsoever until the demolition comes up again.

No, no, no, until 90-day style.

I can respond to that.

For sure.

There was never a comment from you asking me to not come to this.

There was I never told you not to come to any of this.

No, no, no, no.

That's not a good idea.

I just want to put a statement in front of council.

I just want to be very clear on that.

I I clarified because I did understand that that was what he like there was an implication, and I did not want to make that at all.

All I was saying was at the 90-day stay, he said there wasn't it wasn't a requirement for me to be here.

So I said, okay, no problem.

And there was and there wasn't, and he got it done.

That's great.

But that was my communication the day I signed the paper.

I said, Darrell, I actually didn't sign it the first day.

His the secretary was there, she gave me the paperwork, I got it, I went into the office and I got it, and I said, Hey, this language reads that I have to get this project done in 90 days.

It's impossible.

And then I spoke with Darrell and he said, No, it it does say that, but there is there just has to be progress made.

And I said, Okay.

When was that?

August.

It was August.

It was the end of August.

Right.

And then you said you would have the project finished in six to nine months.

And it's not a problem.

From the plans being done.

But the plan we I will start work tomorrow if I get the the green light.

Tomorrow.

But we can't.

But your plans aren't approved because they're not.

If I if I start work tomorrow, I'll I'll get a fine and they'll still move forward, right?

So that's the problem I have.

I will start work tomorrow if given the approval.

But we cannot, and I've asked multiple times.

I said, hey, there's some things exterior-wise that we can just start with that are not structural to the property.

We can at least get moving on those.

The Riffin Company was ready to go.

I said, hey, can we just get at least get the roof done that way that there's not a continual uh dilapidation on the interior of the project?

I was told we cannot do anything, which that is the standard until the blueprints are approved.

So there was no but you've had from last August until now to get blueprints.

And now it is not as easy.

How do other people do it then?

You're saying that you're very experienced in doing these things, and I believe you, but for some reason this specific site that has been broken into, it's been had fires, it's had everything else since the new ownership.

Nothing has happened.

And not I can't believe that you cannot get blueprints from when this building was purchased until now.

Now again, the demolition order was given.

Now there's a sense of urgency coming from you and your partner.

I've only been involved since August.

Is part of it, Lee Hyde, that you don't want to commit the capital of I think you said 40,000 to get the blueprints finalized and stamped and submitted, or has that process occurred?

We we did that.

There was some revisions when I talked to Henry originally, like I submitted to him, we looked over them quick.

I went back and spoke with him personally.

He said, Hey, there are a couple things that you need to do just right off the top.

So I reached back out to the guys, they made those revisions.

The original blueprints did they were stamped.

So if the revision wasn't stamped, it was just an oversight.

It's the same company.

They just they just need to stamp the revision.

But they were done.

Well, mostly we're above the.

I mean, it just does.

That's what they do.

I I'm not sure how you create plans and you don't use your authority and stamp them.

What's the wishes of the council?

I don't know that anything's going to be a good idea.

He's just a good thing.

I'm asking to start.

I'm asking to start the work.

I'm asking to start the work.

We can start the work tomorrow.

I have everything ready to go.

There's nothing on the agenda for us to vote on.

It is not.

So first thing you would have to do is go.

It would have to get onto the agenda, and then we can love to come back for that as well.

But we we're ready to go.

And and well, hold on, hold on.

So where's where's the partner in all this?

He lives in Montana.

Okay.

What what's his involvement at this point?

Um is he putting up the money?

Is he the money guy?

Yeah.

So he's the money guy.

Okay.

So does he got is he is he produced you you personally a letter of credit or some type of funding, or do you have proof of funds?

I mean, because you told me this project's 900 grand.

To me, it ain't.

But just you're in we're both in construction.

I think I think you're gonna put a ton of sweat equity, and that's fine.

I just think that there's a validity problem here, and Julie's right.

There's a just there's a validity problem here, and I I hope this guy isn't setting you up.

No, it's it's finance through the bank.

He's not financing it personally.

But his responsibility in the in the project is that that's his responsibility is to handle that.

So he did.

He got with the bank, we secured the financing, we submitted that letter.

Now I did talk to Daryl, and there was but a potential language issue in the letter, so I got that revised, and I'd be more than happy to send it to you.

But so have Darrell have you because that was an issue I pointed out to Daryl two months ago when I looked at what was represented as a letter of credit.

That was not a letter of credit, it was a letter from a financial institution, I believe, in the Iowa City market that simply said that they're available to help finance the project.

Financing the project is not indicating that there's a letter that there's a letter of credit.

The amount of letter of credit indicates that the funds are in the bank supporting the project.

So is there a new letter or that I've received?

I have not said, but I do have one.

I'm more than happy to send it to you guys.

I'd send it to Darrell.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I was gonna say, and as you shared with me, um, you know, you basically had a million dollars.

You took 100,000 and used it as a bond, right?

Or and then so that left that 900 for you to finish those things up with.

So we still will have access to once we get going.

So a lot of companies that are doing 100,000 bonds on properties like this, they they don't want to take that on.

So if you go to a bond company and you wanted to get that, it's not gonna happen all the time.

But they will, however, do it maybe mid-project.

So then we can go to them, it's a smaller fee, they take on the risk, then we get our cash back, and then we can use that.

But it we it's not necessary for that cash, but we do have a hundred thousand dollars in cash with the city.

That if we get a if we get a bonds company eventually throughout the project to pick it up, typically it'll be ten percent.

We pay 10,000, they give us the cash back and we can use it.

Mike, do you have any thoughts?

Um, you know, it's been a process, I think, to get where we're at right now, and right now where we're sitting is going out for demolition.

I don't think we have any plans that have been reviewed at this point um to finality to give you complete responses back.

It's really up to the council whether you want to give additional time if you want to give a date certain.

That'd be my only recommendation if you were to give leniency, give a date certain on what that needs to be in 30 days.

I know.

We were given the 90 days, and I just for me, I uh like we we we talk about potentially like no offense, Rick, but you s you sent in the email that you would love to give us an opportunity to develop in the future.

We're developing now.

Dude, I'm the champion of development.

You if I thought this project was valid, man, I'd be I'd be screaming right now.

I just don't think it's valid.

I think which I think what's gonna happen is this thing's been kicked down the road.

I think you're gonna get about a third of the way into this, and it's gonna go broke.

It's gonna be a mess, and it's gonna go to court, and then it's gonna sit there for three years.

And it's gonna be versus it's time to clean the neighborhood up.

Let's if if if housing needs to go there, then let's let's put a real project with fresh whatever needs to be income housing in there.

That's just that's just my opinion, man.

I just know what it's just but I'm just saying, I'm gonna go to the side of it.

He let you talk about it.

That's all.

I just I just don't think it's I just brother, I don't think it's I don't think it's a valid project.

I think you're gonna get took on this.

I really do.

I'm not trying to protect you, I'm not giving you legal advice.

I just think that it's the the scope of the project and the fuzziness around it and the timing of it just doesn't make sense, and I think it's time to clean the neighborhood up.

That's it sucks.

I agree with cleaning the neighborhood up, which is why we're trying to do it, but I would ask you that question.

You just said that you would want people to develop it and turn it into to housing for someone.

Who is that?

There's a ton of people, but maybe even you.

My why maybe it's my property.

That's what I said.

Right?

So why maybe?

That's what I don't understand.

What I don't understand is I'm saying I have the capital, I have the experience, I have everything ready to go.

Why do I maybe get an opportunity at developing my land?

How does absurd does that sound?

Well, where's your partner?

Because I'm not saying you can't do the work, but I like to see the money guy stand there and make up a statement that he's gonna make sure that that million dollars is available.

Because right now we got a letter.

We had a developer at the airport, Mike.

He had all kinds of letters of credit.

Of course, none of them were on a bank that was actually a bank, but he had some really fancy nice letters.

I mean, I want to know who the dude is that's got the cash in the project.

Why is he not here?

This is what he does, developers come to town and and show up.

Fight for the project.

Uh guys, and I know you're saying that the property is yours, but has it been added to the name of the property?

It has.

And that was submitted to Darrell, and he wouldn't actually talk to me until he got that paperwork.

So it is beacon, your name's on it now, too.

It's it's on the LLC that the property that owns the property, yes.

I can look at the owner of the real estate will indicate, but look and see if you're a manager or member of the LLC, we'd have to look in the and it actually had to go to the legal department.

So I submitted that paperwork to Darrell and he's I think that the first step is obviously um there needs to be some approved plans.

Um to that, there's no work that can be done.

So you know, if the plan uh, you know, I I mean that's where we're at, right?

Yeah.

Uh so Daryl, I don't know, you know, what that looks like.

I don't know if if you can get that done by the end of this week.

Um I don't know.

Darrell, what's gonna happen over the next 30 days with the demolition?

The the realistic timeline of what you're looking at for the next 30 days.

Scope that would be able to be accomplished in the next 30 days would be the uh asbestos survey.

That would be the first step.

You have to wait for the lab results.

So within that time period um of 30 days, a asbestos survey could be conducted and the lab results back, knowing what would have to be abated.

So clearly you're not gonna be able to do anything in the next 30 days, even if we do nothing tonight, you've got 30 days where you've got to have an asbestos analysis.

In 30 days, you'll report back to tell us whether asbestos affects the demolition, correct?

Asbestos will always affect demolition, yes.

If if the report indicates the amount, the amount is what changes.

The next action would just be to bring a demo contract back to count.

Correct.

But not for 30 days until you know the asbestos results.

Oh, it could be that's part of the contract.

There's there's several steps to it, and there's several pieces of the contract.

Some of those contracts are a smaller small enough dollar amount that they do not need to come to council, which unfortunately those are the very first ones.

If you pull that trigger, if you pulled the trigger on the demo.

Yes.

So the the triggers you pulled the trigger on the demo contract.

Have I pulled on it?

No.

I that's that is a lot of steps.

That's really what we're at.

Right.

There's a lot of steps that have to take place before that.

And the reason I've been asking is because I'm not sure.

It's best to survey to do anything tonight.

We can't answer.

Is that we we can't do anything tonight?

You've got effectively a period of time until Daryl can finalize the demolition.

If you can prove I I spend this week getting as much done as you can before he pulls the trigger on the demolition.

And while we can't do anything and won't do anything formally, my sense is that if you can prove that you can make progress in this first seven days, 14 days to get to 30 days.

I appreciate that.

I understand what Rick's saying.

I understand what Bob and Julia are saying.

Bro, it's a great looking property.

Yeah.

If I if I were you, it's also not unrealistic, Craig to for us to ask developers to show a performa.

Is how how many of you are going to be able to do that?

Show the perform on it.

And in and there's nowhere through all of this.

You're looking at 14 apartments.

What are you going to get for rent on those?

I look at your plans.

I looked at them.

So you got the one one and a half beds, those type of things.

You're hoping to get a grand?

They're all two beds, but yeah.

Well, but they got that little jog.

I'm not sure you're gonna get that through.

But so you get looking to get a grand?

Yeah, somewhere in there.

So in that neighboring you get a thousand bucks.

I mean, so uh you know does it even work?

I mean it absolutely works.

Okay.

Are you going for market rate?

Rent?

What's I'm sorry, I think.

Is it market rate rent?

Is that what you're gonna price it out at?

I'm not we're not sure until we get close, but you know, obviously it's not gonna be luxury housing right there, right?

So whether that be working through low income housing, HUD housing, that's what's soon.

52,000 a box, it ain't gonna be high in housing.

Well, I think we've got to get the work done.

I mean, I think no at this point.

Yeah, but uh uh for us, it we we just want to get the work done.

And what and uh this is totally respectful for sure, but if I lose on the project, that's on me.

But I'm not going to because this is what we do, right?

Like if if you you do a lot of it, and if you go and you develop a property, that's on you.

And if and you would never be told that you should be make a profit on developing the property.

No, you your profit on it is on the equity of the property.

Same as mine.

So saying that I'm gonna put equ sweat equity into a property is absolutely true because that's what I do.

I wouldn't expect to not do that.

So Leah, I told you, you know, from the start of this that I'm willing to give you 30 days.

You said you could get a lot done in 30 days.

Absolutely.

I don't know what that looks like as it relates to getting plans and and getting work done, but I'll stand on that.

So you know, um, thank you.

As as Craig's it, you you have that 30 days.

The two things I told you, Lehi, I just I am happy to look at this objectively.

I'm continuing to look at it objectively, but Daryl needs to be comfortable that real progress is being made because the council is gonna take direction from Daryl.

That is his job.

Yes.

And at this point, Daryl does not seem comfortable that you and your partners can make the necessary progress, whether it's seven days or thirty days.

All I can my sense right now is because there is a a natural delay of likely at least 30 days because of an asbestos study, I'd be working as hard as you can to convince Daryl over the next seven days to 14 days that you're making real progress.

Because if Daryl comes back up to that mic in seven days or in 14 days and says, I am comfortable that Lee and his partners are making true objective progress, I'm willing to revisit it.

But unless Daryl tells me that I'm I'm I'm not gonna change my perspective.

Would I get a commitment to looking the plans over and getting that done?

Because if I that's the only way that real progress can be made.

So uh unless that happens, uh you know, but I haven't gotten a response back.

We will look over those plans, but they still need to be stamped, and they're not stamped at this point.

So if council is asking us to look at those plans that are not approved.

Let him get them stamped first and set submit them to you at once.

We can look at those if you would like to, but yeah.

No.

Do you know the timeline that it would take to review those, Daryl?

As soon as we get them in here, it depends on the amount of work, we could probably get them done within a week or so.

Okay.

No, I just wanted to make sure because I didn't want to come back next week and say, well, why haven't you doing it doing anything?

I just wanted to be able to do that.

So get them stamped and then resubmit them.

Okay.

All right, I'll do that.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you, guys.

Thanks.

Anyone else be heard?

Any other citizen concerns?

Hi, Shayla Moore at the warming shelter.

Hi, Shayla.

How's it going?

Thanks for having me.

So, in order to stay under my three minutes, I brought a little note.

Take as much time as you need.

Oh, can you hear me?

Can you hear me?

Yes, now we can.

Good evening.

My name's Shayla Moore, and I serve as the executive director of the warming shelter.

I'm here tonight to respond to the discussions that took place last week regarding the efforts to classify the warming shelter as a nuisance or a specified crime property.

The approach being taken right now is not, in my opinion, a productive finger pointing, sharing misleading information, and framing our organization in the worst light possible does not move this community towards solutions.

It creates division, it fuels frustration, and ultimately leaves everyone feeling unheard.

No one wins in that environment.

My goal is simple and transparent as it has been since day one, to continue operating a low-barrier shelter that saves lives and provides a place for people to stabilize and rebuild.

Your goal, Rick, has been less clear from what I've gathered.

There have been two possibilities, maybe more.

You want us to either move from our current location because it doesn't align with your vision for downtown, or you want us to cease operations entirely.

If either of these interpretations on my account are correct, then I just want to be straightforward.

Offer ideas on where you believe the shelter should be located and work with us to explore those options.

Collaboration will move us forward, accusations won't.

Be a part of the solution.

Don't just identify something you see as a problem.

If it does it does not benefit the warming shelter, the council, or the community to continue exchanging claims, counterclaims.

If you want me to spend time addressing every inaccurate or misleading statement made about our organization, I absolutely will do that.

However, I think it is a far better use of our time to identify what each party wants to see and then working toward a solution that protects both our community interests and human lives.

Thanks.

Shayla.

Any questions?

So in full candor and transparency, I reached out to Shayla this morning.

We had a very nice visit.

Um I wanted to get her perspective on some of the commentary.

Um and I appreciate what the chief had mentioned last week.

Rick, I appreciate your approach to try and address these issues.

I think all of the council members are trying to get their arms around how we manage the social services issues and everything that that is combined within the very complex nature of the citizens that you serve.

And um while I don't want to respond in particular to the warming shelter, the gospel mission or the soup kitchen or or to agape, I am still gonna reiterate and I I shared this with Shayla this morning.

I and as I I've shared with Chief Mueller, I do not believe this is a police department issue.

I believe that this is a complicated, complex issue that our community needs to address.

And I asked before, and I'm gonna ask again that we as a council support retaining a consultant that can help warming shelter and all of the other social service agencies to manage this issue.

Part of it is the services that you're providing, part of it is your location.

And and I know there are other communities that have addressed location and providing these services.

Working with the coalition on homelessness and otherwise.

Thank you.

Any other comments?

Okay, thank you for your time.

Thank you, Sherla.

Anyone else?

My name is Melden Carter.

Well, today I got two concerns.

One with the warming shelter, and one with the uh donuts are part.

Okay.

Now everybody know that y'all want the warm shelter near town.

Cause the scene.

People hanging out, you know, in the front, on the side, and uh stuff like that.

They probably clean clean it up.

I gotta give it to them, they finally clean it up.

But if you run them from there, where would they go?

What would happen to the home days?

Then they'll be down here with myself.

My own anyway, because they won't have nowhere else to go.

See?

So therefore, you just think very hard when you tell them that they gotta move.

See, because once upon a time, I was part of their community.

Okay?

They were there for me.

Okay.

So therefore, when you're taking things that people need away from them, that's not a plus, that's a negative.

You heard in the community and the people who they serve.

Okay.

Now, so much for that.

Let's get back to my little part we were talking about last week.

Y'all had Matt call me.

He called me Tuesday.

You kind of convinced me that they take care of the park.

When I'm kind of letting them know that I'm there all the time.

The park needs more than right now.

My more is broken.

Well, I got to get them more so I can keep the park up.

I gotta go because we got children in the community needed, just like people in the community need the warning shelter.

See when you take these two things away, you're taking a lot from the community.

You're taking a lot for the things that people really need in the community.

See, so therefore, we should take a closer look at how we vote for the warning shelter, and how we vote to keep the little park in the community.

They've been there for over 40 years.

Sir, is it Matt is revisiting the issue, correct?

Yeah, he's right with Rick Arnold.

Right.

Yeah.

Matt is working with neighborhood network individuals to revisit all of the parks, including Dinosaur Park.

Okay, so we uh if he's doing this, uh why Donassau Park never had an update up break.

Dunas How Park never been taken care of.

Everything in our old rusty.

See what I'm saying?

The wing is rusty.

The little horse that the little children rocking back and forth on hard movie called and I'm rested all out.

Y'all haven't I haven't been upkeep with the parts for the children to play with.

I'm looking at that, you know, like the slide.

The slide, the step is real high on the slide.

Little kids really can't get up on it.

The parents gotta have them up on it.

You know, but you know, like uh, I hope y'all have met, do the right thing, leave the little park alone for the children to play because the little children have been going out there playing.

Little children have been coming out there to help me pick up the park.

See, I got signed notes from little children, their parents and everything telling that they don't want that park closed.

And I can bring that back to y'all that you want me to at the Nation City Council meeting.

But that all I gotta say.

Y'all have a good day.

Thank you, sir.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Hey Joe.

Councilman.

How are you?

Um pretty good.

Wish I wasn't here.

Uh I'm uh Joe Twidwell, and I have been involved with the warming shelter for since its existence.

I've also been involved with a lot of other not-for-profits in the community that serve uh the um those that are in need.

I asked the same question that Shayla does.

What do you want?

If you the one thing that is frustrating is we do have a great organization in the community called the Siouxland Coalition to End Homelessness.

It's made up of almost 40 organizations that collectively form the fabric of providing services to people in need, food, shelter, health, uh care, counseling, every aspect of that.

We meet on a regular basis, and the city is involved in that.

There, uh Clara Coley and Joe Wanderscheid.

Uh we we all try to work together to provide whatever it is that people need.

And the thing that's frustrating is this is not a new issue.

One of the things the housing and urban development uh form of the government uh requires is on an annual basis, we do what's called the point in time count.

It's administered by neighborhood services.

It's been going on in this city in the same fashion since 2008, and the average number of sheltered and unsheltered homeless for the 18 years that we've done the pit count is 300.888.

So you've had three roughly 300 sheltered and unsheltered homeless in this community since that time.

Since that's when they started requiring it as an L is uh statistical evidence to be eligible for the various grants that we need to provide services in the community, the city and the other agencies.

In that time, and you and again, you can go to neighborhood services, get a copy of this.

There are they have identified 37 agencies within a one square mile area of downtown that provide essentially all the services for people in need of everything from health care to housing to food.

And so when you talk about relocating and you talk about you know moving the shelter, what are you gonna do with the people that need right?

They have to go to the Martin Luther King building to to get assistance in housing.

They have to go to Center for Sioux Land, they have to go to um community health center that sees thousands of patients every month.

You know, if we don't, as Sheila pointed out, if we don't collectively try and work together for a solution that it's not going to fix the problem, but the thing that serves the the bet the people in our community the best possible, and these people that that are being served by these agencies, the overwhelming majority of them were either born and raised in Sioux land or have been in Sioux land for over ten years.

So that sometimes when the term these people or the people no, there are friends and neighbors and relatives that are uh that are coming to all these agencies for service and for help.

And you know we we want to do this collaboratively, and this the like you say, the Sewell Land Coalition Dend Homelessness, we meet on a regular basis, and the meetings are open, people can come in, and thank you, Councilman Barenstein and Congressman Ray for you came to the meeting.

The council was invited to come to the meeting, but they were the only two that showed up at the meeting.

And we're constantly trying to work on solutions that work for the whole community, but we need some cooperation, not vilification, not statistical misinformation that that vilifies one organization over another.

I'd ask you, like Shayla said, try I'd ask you to be part of the solution, please.

Anyone else be a going?

My name is uh Dave Floors Marikwin.

I'm with the uh nameless project.

I just wanted to echo on what uh everybody else here from the Olimer Shelter outstated.

Um and this particular uh commentary that came from uh councilman here, you know, kind of hit home as a uh as a somebody that went through those struggles um and wound up, you know, getting myself out of it.

Um I only did it because of uh folks like the Walmart shelter, right, and all those services.

And as uh Councilman here Bernstein, uh sorry if I butchered that uh mentioned this isn't a uh a single-faceted issue, right?

It's not as just getting these people out of here.

It it isn't that.

If that would have been the case, then that would have been gone and long gone and and so on and so forth, right?

This is a this is such a complex and nuanced item that it almost requires the city to get involved in some shape, way or form, right?

And uh statements as the councilman had uh here had made to meet, you know.

That statement.

Uh I believe this is quote here.

Um I'm not trying to sugarcoat it.

The businesses in the area have been very clear that they're looking at moving or is hampering their client base and their employing safety.

Fact.

I would ask what businesses um I know the real is working on two businesses right now.

So it's well, for the sake of my time here.

No, uh, you said you shouldn't make statements, but the statement that's a fact.

Okay.

Let me grab some other stuff here.

My apologies for not being prepared.

And I don't I'm trying to find if this is the one made here by your by the councilman here.

They can say what they want, they're still harboring the 20% in tier one housing, and those are the majority of the troublemakers.

Uh why should we be held hostage to that 20% downtown?

With all the multi-million dollars being invested, has been invested, that wants to be invested, why or invested, why do we have why do we have to be held hostage?

That's not cruel as uh called law enforcement.

Um and that's uh and I could go on, I don't want to waste more time here.

Uh that just sounds like to me you're trying to, you know, criminalize the or further criminalize the situation.

Stop right there.

I'm not criminalizing.

I'm saying is that we've had a historic movement in this community with the homeless.

This is an issue that is you guys you I don't I need you want to make me the villain in this.

This I'm telling you, this is this is called community.

You want the council involved, that's what this is, the council.

But you've had a historic movement with with with the police department, the heart association, other things.

We have more stakeholders involved than we've ever had involved when it comes to dealing with this problem.

We've come to the conclusion, we've identified the people that want help or they want to leave.

We that's all the agencies have said that.

The police, they we've done that.

But there's going to be an element that's there of about 15 to 20 percent that don't want help.

They're troubling there's some illegal activity that sometimes is associated with that.

Now that's where we're that's where we're at in this process.

So again, now this has been pigeonholed that I'm saying that it's all on the warming shelter.

I'm not saying that.

But it's naive to say that that isn't where the community believes it.

Am I wrong?

It's a stereotype.

Sure.

So the gospel mission doesn't have that stereotype.

The foods, the other places don't have those stereotypes.

So I'm just saying is that we if you want to have a real discussion about this as a community, and the community's with me on this, guys.

It's an 80-20.

They are.

So if you want a real discussion, then let's identify that 20% that's giving the problems, that's doing the theft that's sleeping in there, that's that's defecating in the in the in the entryways to businesses.

They're harassing the people that's I understand that our clients.

I understand that.

But what I'm saying is that all I'm saying is that we're identifying that 20% and the stereotype from the community hovers there.

If you want, if we're defending that and making that clarity, then this is the venue to do it.

That's great.

But let's don't villainize or try to say that this issue isn't real, because it is real.

And that's why I that's why most of this change has been, or I've been elected.

And I'm not gonna just pass it down the road like everybody else.

There's real solutions out there, guys.

And I'm not advocating to push the the warming shelter.

You and I talked about rebranding it or getting services within the shelter that they don't feel that they need to make the walk straight through all the businesses.

Don't say that I'm not presenting solutions.

And don't say that I'm not compassionate.

I'm that's okay.

Again, keep reading social media that says that.

But I from what I do in my personal life, and as a and what I do, I know I'm compassionate and what I'm doing it is, and I'm focused.

So again, let's find solutions together.

I'm good.

Great discussion.

Let's let this gentleman talk.

Yeah, could I I didn't mean to strike a nerve there, Councilman?

Don't accuse.

Say what?

Then don't accuse that I'm this villain on this thing.

I'm not, I'm not accusing.

I'm going off of direct quotes here.

And is this is someone that is, you know, part of a new organization that's that's spawned because of items like this.

That's that's why I'm here.

I'm not here to villainize you.

I'm not here to attack you, I'm not here to make any of that, right?

I'm more so on the fact of hey, let's work together.

We've known that this has been an issue.

We're we're uh, you know, without the without the tri-state, we're of a city of what, maybe 90,000 now?

We don't have Sioux Falls's Almahas issues, right?

We can most definitely get together and and and make this work.

Mind you, and and and maybe that's what what it was, right?

That triggered that response to me uh in me is that yeah, I read these savings, I'm like, well, that's a really out of touch item there, right?

So let to your point, then all right, let's let's let's work together.

How do we do that then, right?

I I'm not an official member, I present myself to these coalition meetings, right?

And that's a great avenue to start.

If not, it there's there's multiple ways, but to just go out and and and make such statements as that it does seem a little bit crass.

And then my apologies if they came off a certain kind of way.

I just that that particular that that particular item being that it was part of my reality, it kind of hits home.

I just that put that particular that particular item being that it was part of my reality, it kind of hits home, especially when you know, as Joe said, these are people that are out of our neighbors, our friends, myself included, that have been out there and to be told, hey man, you're kind of just messing up my time drinking downtown.

All right, well, let's do something about it then.

That that that's that's all I wanted to state.

And I I don't again, don't mean to offend anybody here, don't make uh mean to make a certain kind of uh uh hateful atmosphere here, but this is more of a hey, let's now that we've got the spotlight on it again.

I mean, I see this the spylight's always on it.

You don't you you see it here, right?

So let's let's let's flip that into a more positive light and work with institutions that have been known and tried to to help the community, such as the warming shelter.

And ste you know, and and I'll leave with this.

You know, we have all the orgs, we think of somebody like the gospel, but there's limitations to that, right?

You can't show up if you're of not of the denomination.

If you're on these particular uh situations, you can't go there, right?

These folks allow anybody there, and sometimes that's what those people need is just that that that one little push.

And you're you're absolutely right.

You know, just some folks won't get it, and that is fine.

That's there is nothing we can do about that.

That's just that's just human will.

But for the other 80%, I would I I would say that it's it's more.

Let's offer them the services they and then that they need.

Unfortunately, and I don't know if this is by design or what, those services are all downtown.

It just happens to be.

So I I'm gonna have you wrap it up because we're doing that.

That's all I got.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Brett Walton, as always.

Uh of course, I will once again say, don't remember there being a three-minute time limit on the first amendment, but you know, no one ever seems to care.

The couple of things.

Uh need to tone down the rhetoric on this homelessness and whatnot.

It's very clear that the way that the council has been presented it and been presented by it, the few members, no, no, not trying to pigeonhole anybody.

The the word nuisance, nuisance property, that doesn't need to be done at all.

It's illegal.

I realize, and that's why you're getting away with it, but it makes you seem callous and uncaring.

Do you agree?

No, I'm working, I'm actually trying to fix a problem.

You're highlighting a problem that didn't really have a big existence until you put a spotlight on it.

Two.

That's another story entirely.

Uh when uh I'll address uh Craig's idea quick here.

Um the idea of hiding a consultant, I will always be against because we love to waste money on that.

Uh unless it's gonna be you know, Miss Shayla, that would be perfect.

That would be a great consultant to be hired by the city and paid for her services.

Uh beyond that, uh uh as an example, uh, did we ever recoup the 25 grand wasted to find Mike's replacement?

No.

Thank you.

My point made there.

Uh then um I've tried this many different ways, so I'm gonna present it in my official capacity.

I would like for the council to direct the fiscal effective public policy committee to look into changing the meeting time.

Or even better, put out a survey.

Work so well for the ATV thing, put out a survey.

I think moving the meetings by an hour would be fantastic.

Five o'clock, when people are actually off work, can actually come be here and present themselves.

I missed being able to make public comment for several weeks because I get off at five o'clock and public comment started all almost at 4:30.

Was over by the time I even got out of work.

So, yes, I will say I'm on this committee, let's use it.

Please direct us to look into the problem or the issue that I keep presenting about these meeting times.

And then I'll also bring up the fact that the last budget meeting was in the middle of the day on a Wednesday.

Who were you expecting to show up on the middle of a work day on a Wednesday?

I realize it probably just fit in the schedule there, but that's just ridiculous.

Sorry, several weeks of things bubbling up.

But as I s as I say, that's what I got today.

Thanks, everybody.

Anyone else to be heard?

Hi, name's Rachel Two Hope I work for neighborhood services.

I'm also part of the heart team.

Um I have been working with uh captain recently um to build a list of resources that we have that serve people experiencing homelessness, um, and also um some of the gaps that we have in our resources.

Um in an effort to be a part of the solution.

I would like to offer those that list of resources and the gaps and everything to you guys, whether that's in the a presentation which I have already put together for the captain, um, or if I just ended over right email, however you would like.

But I would like to be a part of the conversation.

Um finding solutions, because we need to find solutions, and for both sides of this coin like our business owners, you know, they need Rachel.

Oh sorry.

Could you move that microphone closer to your mouth?

And can you give us your last name again?

Two to hope.

T-U-D-E-H-O-P-E.

Thank you.

Um business owners need justice, and our the people who are experiencing homelessness also need some justice and kindness to you.

So I would like to aid in in bringing us together in that.

So you have a presentation.

I do.

I have a presentation that I am giving to the police Captain Uh Bertran tomorrow morning, but I can also bring it here.

Yeah, I can.

Yeah, absolutely.

Thank you.

Anyone else?

Tim Young.

Um of you know me, some of you do not.

Some of you I've met recently, mayor.

I've known you for over 30 years.

Um hard for me to say, and um I read some of the comments.

I used to be that nuisance.

But yet I shake hands with most of you.

And I'm also a key leader in this town.

I have gone through being homeless twice.

Do I agree that the warming shelter probably isn't a bad spot on a main road?

Yeah, I do.

I think that's why it's getting attention.

Um, is there other things we can do?

There is.

First and foremost, communication.

Um, I believe there's been brought up the Sioux Land Coalition.

That once a month meeting is not doing anything right now.

Um recently brought up the budget meeting.

There should have been more conversation about what we can do for the homeless because we're actually sitting here talking now for almost an hour about this issue, and it's actually been days, weeks, months, years.

But yet we're doing other things, and this is a big concern for us.

I care about those individuals.

Recently, I know other individuals that were family members.

They were service people.

I work with mission 22 as well.

I don't know if you guys know what that is.

That's 22 soldiers a day commit suicide because of PT USD and homelessness.

I put my foot on the ground, a stomp all the time when I have my time off.

The warming shelter is doing a great job.

They need more backing.

That's what they need.

I also talked to another entity today that said they haven't gotten any funding for the past two years for rent and utilities.

How can they help serve?

They're reaching out to the community for donations.

There's lack of funding coming from the city, the county, the state.

And I know how the funding works because I worked in grant business for over 10 years for nonprofits.

I was an executive director of a nonprofit for drop-in individuals who are coming off the street with behavioral health issues, um, PTSD, brain trauma.

I've been there, I've done it, and I know how it filters, but they're not getting the funding.

So my biggest concern is communication, working together.

And yes, it was brought up too.

Only two councilmen showed up at the homeless coalition meeting, but that needs to happen more.

Otherwise, we're not going to do anything.

We're just going to sit here and turn our wheels.

And that's what we've been doing for the past years.

And it drives me insane.

It hits my heart.

Bob knows I've reached out to him many times.

It talked about I reached out to Ike.

Um, yeah.

Something we need to be done.

There's other alternatives that we can do, but we all need to work together, and that's my main point.

And I'm gonna bring up one issue on the agenda today, number 26.

Please change that wording.

It says nuisance procedure.

Please change that wording to people in need.

Thank you.

Hello.

My name is Hope.

Um I have the same hope.

Oh, my name is Hope Fawcett.

Thank you.

Um I have more of a statement than anything else.

As far as solutions go, uh, and as a big hearted citizen of Sioux City, I actually like driving past and seeing how everybody's doing.

Um I think it's an issue we should not turn away from.

I think it's something a lot of people like to avert their eyes from.

But I think it's really important to keep it in the public eye.

I think it's really important to make it obvious so that it shows how important it is for us to participate and make the situation better for everyone.

And I implore all of you to not look away.

Keep it in the forefront of everyone's minds so we actually figure this out together.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thanks, Hope.

And to continue to have it on the subject of the shelter.

Would seem like we've kind of gone the whole array.

So I'm gonna is there any other issue that anybody would like to talk on today under citizen concerns.

Okay.

Thank you.

Uh mayor and counsel, uh, building permit reports were provided to you again this year or this year.

This this year.

Um they're pretty self-explanatory.

Uh Marty does have an update though on our new systems for the computer as far as the next step in the procedure.

So we'll yeah.

Um well, some good news on our software uh uh effort to bring new uh new tools to to the uh job.

Um citizen engagement project.

Um we they now have it pretty much set up.

The software has been installed and um initial steps are completed.

Um they're actually working on the connectivity of for the test server to make sure that it works.

Um with all involved, and the in uh in 2.0 template issues have been resolved.

So all depart that's document management system, so all departments are using the new document management uh services with no issues.

So the next step we're gonna move to the configuration.

So in other words, the software is installed.

The next step is to to move to the configuration, and what that means is that we're uh gonna figure out what we want the screen the web page to look like and what the those different options and what it can do.

So we have our original committee that will be meeting next week.

Um it's a bunch of different departments, and we're um gonna work on two sessions with the with the software company on configuring what that uh module, what that will look like, the public-facing side of it.

And then um once we get that done, we will move to the training of of more people, everyone in in they'll be working with it in the different departments.

So um Artie is this is this the part where you guys are gonna design the scope?

Yeah, design what it what is the actual like what what you're gonna require from the commercial guys like that.

So this is where you're gonna you're gonna be saying this is what we need, this is what we need, this is what we need.

When is that when is that meeting?

What's that?

When is that meeting?

Next week.

What day?

I wouldn't mind coming.

Thursday.

You throw me an invite on that?

Thursday.

Uh I don't I we don't have the time yet, but it's next Thursday.

Uh just get back to me on that.

But do you know the time mic we no?

I was just gonna say there's gonna be different scoping meetings, though.

So I don't know.

You're gonna need the weeks before you get an expectation.

This this encompasses the whole thing.

We could meet with you if you'd like.

Daryl when we get to the component of that, absolutely, we'll make sure you're involved.

Yep.

Yeah, it this is gonna include you know, inspections and zoning and uh engineering and fire and all everybody that touches the development review process in some way.

So we'll we'll get it figured out and there'll be some I think we're not locked in place forever.

I think it some components could be added later or some features could be added later too.

So there are some questions on that.

We'll move forward to the nuisance.

No, real quick on the only question.

I did get a couple of reach outs.

Can you check where you are on the review and permitting process for Sunnybrook Church for me?

Sure.

I don't know if they have actually even submitted an actual application at this point.

There's been conversations that the architects have had with us asking this questions.

Okay.

But I don't know that they have actually submitted the application.

Let me just review on the project.

And you don't need to do it now, Darrell.

You can go on, but just maybe get back to me tomorrow.

I can.

But I believe that is where that is at as far as just informal discussions.

Yeah, it's in review.

They have only asked for information from us.

They have not submitted an actual application at this time.

That's helpful.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Okay.

Let's move on to 26, nuisance procedures.

Sure.

I threw together a quick little slideshow.

Nuisances as far as the inspection services department deals with property.

Marty, if you want to bring that or Heidi.

I am waiting for Heidi.

There you go.

Come on.

Thank you for helping Heidi.

Huh?

F five.

That's all right.

Which one do I have?

I guess I'll get started with it.

Nuisances, what does it mean?

Is it it as it relates to the property, nuisances is defined in our municipal code is whatever is injurious to the census or the destruction of free use of property.

So essentially to interfere with the comfort and enjoyment of life and property is a nuisance.

It is about as vague as you can possibly get.

But I want to be clear before we move on.

Yes.

Nuisance, as it's been used here in the last couple of weeks.

It's not meant to identify a person.

That is correct.

That's why my opening was about it.

This is property for us.

Absolutely.

Sure.

No, no one that has been.

Yeah, this is about property.

We will.

I mean, there's some sections in here where we I can get a little bit more detail, but in a nutshell, and a nuisance property can be defined as a habitual fender.

And habitual offenders will get uh municipal citations for being a habitual offender.

Uh matter of fact, some of these photos that you are seeing is at a property that is a habitual offender pretty much every year.

I would just add the gentleman that was here spoke very eloquently about this.

Nuisance is a term used in state law that are in our ordinance.

It's uses the same term.

And every these these definitions, I am pretty sure are from state law.

Right.

They're not speaking of a person or a group of people.

It's property.

Okay.

I just want to clarify that for the nuisances are reported to us in several different ways.

We get citizen calls all the time.

Comcenter will give us referrals.

So we will have some referrals from the comm center.

Basically, those are first responders have gone onto a property founded in in uh deplorable conditions or very they'll send those over to us as well.

Nuisances will get called out if they're serving warrants and there's property that needs uh needs our attention as well, we will get called to those as well.

City website, there's uh several options on the website.

People will use most any platform to report them to us.

We'll respond to those and by putting in a case go out and do an actual inspections.

Emails, uh then we also do proactive.

We try to be very, very fair and equal on this.

So if we could call that to a particular neighborhood for something, we look at the whole neighborhood.

We don't just stop with one address because it could be a feud between property owners and they just don't like each other and they are turning each other in.

It's not fair to everybody on the neighborhood.

So we will look at the entire neighbor.

So there will be some proactive ones as well.

That's actually good to know there, because uh I I was gonna say, you know, I think sometimes people don't realize that you know it's not like you are just driving up and down a street, you know, looking for things, but you get that phone calls right driven.

That would be a pretty rare day for us to have the time to just do that.

So I actually went over and asked them, and they said they get 20 or 30 a day.

Not unusual at all.

Call calls, plus all the other.

Yeah, depending on the season, we could we could do well more than 20 or 30 in a day as far as we've actually done over a hundred inspections in a day on some of these.

So encampments.

Can't let's be go ahead.

I am sorry.

You know, a vanna does a lot better job.

I'm just there you go.

Um we get these reported quite frequently, um, more so in the last few years than anywhere else.

Uh we are dealing now, we have had a meeting recently very recently with uh Hart to uh to help identify some of these encampments.

They have a little more difficulty as far as the procedures to get to move these things away.

If it's on private property, it's like it comes under our jurisdiction in the inspections department.

Unfortunately, we have to deal with that as well.

Notification process becomes very, very lengthy, and it seems like we're just not getting anything done.

But the law requirements for notification purposes, before we go in there and remove property, we do have to get a search warrant.

So just keep that in mind as we're doing I'll bring that up again further in the slideshow.

Not on pr yes, on private property only, not on city-owned property or public right-of-ways.

So to move forward with it, the inspector will verify the violation, we'll go out and inspect to make sure that there is actually a violation there.

We do photograph everything that is there at that time.

So if there's any phone calls or questions about that or an appeal process is in place, we would have the documentation showing the violation very clearly exists.

We are required to send out certified notifications to the property owners.

Unfortunately, not everybody signs for their letters.

This delays it.

Certified mail anymore.

If you get a if you get a letter back from the United States Postal Service that says they've noticed they've served a certified mail within three weeks, you're very fortunate.

You're very fortunate.

So we're finding we're trying to find ways that we can possibly speed that process up and still fall within the required documents for procedures.

Because the judge is going to ask us that when we go to get a search warrant.

Have you followed it?

What is the notification process that went through to make so that I'll sign the search warrant so you can go in and remove those items from that property?

But isn't the burden of the city the fact that we sent the certified mail, not whether they respond to it or not?

We still have to show, we still have to show that the notification was made.

So we do post it on the property as well, but there's no notification that says that they've actually received it, especially if they are out of town owners.

And we find these on vacant lots a lot.

Or avoidance.

I'm sorry, and what avoidance.

Or avoidance, yeah.

We do that a lot.

I mean, a lot of people will call our office and say, I got a certified mail notification in my mailbox.

What's it for?

Well, go pick it up and you'll find out.

Well, no, I don't want to, because then I starts my time.

Well.

You know what?

This phone call just started your time because I'm telling you what it is.

The code requires that we provide a reasonable time period property owner to abate the new sense prior to the city coming in.

So that's really the standard that the courts are looking at is if we have given a reasonable time period.

So we kind of went through this in public works, though, that they're sending notices, certified mail.

And then if we don't get a response, they maybe are sending a second one.

But I thought that was uncovered recently that the burden is using it, not whether they reply to it.

Depends the statutorily what the type of violation that we're talking about.

We're exploring options to send certified mail posts.

So we're having those conversations.

Okay.

We have had a conversation about it because we do photograph the posting on the property in a way in a manner that would show.

So if it's on a house itself, we'll step back from the posting, take one up close so you can read it, step one back a little bit so you can notice the address on the property or the door colors or these kind of identifying marks.

Yeah, and we do have to give them we do have them give the opportunity for appeal.

Um obviously um we we do get those occasionally, uh, but uh there's with the photographic evidence we have of it, we can show them what the situation is, and usually it's just dropped, or they'll clean it up and take care of it if that's gonna if they move forward with that in that response.

If nothing is done, then we go out and we'll actually take our our notification process, our photographs of of what is all there.

We get a judge's signature on it, and then we uh we have a uh some people that we will send out for requests for price sign on it.

That all happens within about a 24-hour period because the search warrant only is good for so long.

So we get those quick quotes back very, very quickly.

We take the most economical one for our process.

We do have to store anything that are perceived value for 90 days.

So we do have a situation down at the uh down by CMG where we have a building where we will put those items in for 90 days, and if they want them back, they gotta come pay the fines and everything, and then we would release those other items.

Otherwise, if there are some items of value, we would put them on a city auction and try to recoup our our costs of cleanups.

If not, they'll just be disposed of in the in the dumpsters to get rid of those processes.

So the cleanup all happens at the same time.

So we clean everything up and get rid of everything.

Nuisances come in a lot of different ways.

Once we get all that done, we actually invoice the property owner for the inspection costs and the contractor costs of doing the actual um abatement of it.

If they do fail to pay that cost, then they will be brought to council for um assessment, which we bring the assessments a couple times a year.

Um usually there's quite a number of properties on there for those assessments, and then we'll get assessed against the property and we go as a special assessant, and they'll receive those again with their tax bills when they get the property taxes.

Fiscal year 2025, um we reported to 5,512 nuisances cases, resulting in over 14,000 inspections.

Most of your nuisance cases take multiple inspections to go, re-inspections, initial inspections, what have you.

Um out of those 5,512, we were we were request we needed to do 41 search warrants, so we administered 41 search warrants and cleaned those properties up via the perch warrant.

Any questions about how that process works the uh most of those um are they are they citizen complaint driven?

I would say the the vast majority of them are, yes.

I So do you think in the last few months since kind of the direction from this new council, do you feel like that we are becoming more proactive as a city when we are identifying it versus a complaint driven, or we feel like we're because obviously we're making head wave.

I mean, and and I think you're gonna see some really good action down there by bomb guards that's gonna get cleaned up.

Sounds like you're the county involved in everything.

Yeah, the county uh a lot of times, unfortunately we have um state and county.

Yeah, it it drags on a little bit for them to get to unfortunately to take action on their property and get those things taken care of, and we'll do as much as we possibly can as far as we can go with those.

Um but as far as um whether we think that there's an uptick, this time of year there's always enough.

Yeah.

In the springtime, you know, people are getting out in their yards, they're starting to see things whether they're warming up, now they're looking at everything that's out there and they're seeing this stuff and they're going, hey, whoa, we've got to get this stuff cleaned up.

Um I don't know that I've seen a major uptick, because there are years that we've had more high winds with things like this where we have blown trash and debris around, and we'll get more and more of those nuisance complaints when that happens.

Um I probably shouldn't speak on this, but if somebody from our department sees it, lids on trash cans work.

You know, and and lids on dumpsters are a big help.

Enclosures, yeah, they're nice, and they'll come kind of keeping it, but the high winds we've been experiencing lately, and one of the reasons why building codes have changed because the wind loads have changed, all those things have gotten increased.

We're seeing more and more trash around.

This year, um, you know, fortunately we have had some high winds, but they haven't been as as frequent as we've had in the past.

So we do have some trash and debris that needs to be picked up around the community.

They just had a litter dash here recently, which was awesome to see those out folks out there cleaning that stuff up.

Appreciate that very much.

Um but as far as an uptick from the phone calls coming in.

Um cases are put in the system based as soon as we receive the report to give an actual detail as far as how many come in off a citizen's complaint.

I would say that by far the vast majority of those, if they have increased, I I wouldn't be able to measurably be able to tell you the.

But I mean, if you get if one of our guys is driving around in a white truck, city truck, and they look over and they see an encampment starting.

Yeah, that'll be a proactive.

We'd be proactive on that.

We would send out the risk.

Just like ah, until somebody complains, we're not gonna worry about it.

We just we just found another one here this last weekend that was on city property, and we have already started addressing that.

So um Darrell, um, when it becomes uh or when you when something is qualified as a nuisance, is that um you know, let's say someone has got 10 cars on their front yard.

Is i is that you could call it a nuisance.

You could also call it a zoning violation.

Okay.

And typically something like that would be handled under a zoning violation.

Okay.

Um it's could be listed as a nuisance.

And a lot of times our letters will go out and we will reference multiple sections of the municipal code.

Um tall grasses and weeds is under uh two or three different places, for instance, and those are listed on that letter as far as um where they fall in comp in uh out of the municipal code sections.

So once that process, so you go out and you determine if it falls under that, and then what happens?

Like if if tall grass, you know, what what determines if, you know, I've heard people say species, native species grasses, and you know, I and I'm just trying to understand what what we've got to do.

Yeah, well, and that's been a point of con uh of contention at several times, but it doesn't really di differentiate our code, doesn't?

Once it's in the municipality itself, it states that if it's over 12 inches, vegetation is over 12 inches, it's a nuisance, period.

Gotcha.

Okay.

So you have to use a little bit of judgment with that.

But we're by far more lenient than some of our surrounding communities.

Some of our surrounding communities are six inches, not twelve.

Okay.

And we I have been asked before, why are we not six or eight inches like some of the other communities are?

It's it's it's it's a lot of work, even at twelve, I'll say that.

Do you know why we're not?

Couldn't say.

I think it was something that was probably discussed decades ago and is just continued to move forward.

Some communities put it in their code.

It is all municipalities, you know, we'll have to state the type of height.

Even if you went to the International Property Maintenance Code, for instance, the section in there that deals with tall grasses and weeds is blank, and the and the municipality has to fill in that number on how they want that to move forward.

So it is no different than what we already have adopted as our municipal code.

Um but when you talk about about uh grass fires and things like that, obviously the taller the grass, the more chance you have got of that of it being a nuisance in that respect.

Does it attract rodents and things like that?

It sure can.

You know, it's more of a harborage.

Uh but we've had uh we've had um pretty consistence um with that 12 inches and not being a major issue.

But the other nice part of it is our signs are designed so it's 12 inches, it would be that much harder to get back under control.

It's yeah, it's difficult.

It is.

It is difficult.

Um, but it is it is I think it's a I think it's an acceptable rate.

I'm just saying that other communities around us are more restrictive than what we are already.

Yeah, it's 12.

The nice part of it on our sign notifications that we put in our yard.

I've ordered stakes that we for posting purposes, we post in the yard.

And from the foot portion of that stake where it touches the ground when you push it in the ground to the bottom of the sign, it's 12 inches.

So then our photographs show of that sign in the yard.

It shows the grasses meet the bottom of that sign, which is a measurement tool all in itself for 12 inches.

So, yeah, please don't.

I have to try to find a whole other ones.

Thank you.

Any other questions?

All right, thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Keep pumping it out to the field, guys.

Keep pumping it out.

You get a good job.

Chief.

Hello.

I think uh you should have been shipped the uh latest heart reports, so I don't think there's any new information there.

I uh have to applaud Captain Bertrand for putting some charts in there.

I think that uh puts a com uh you know a good view uh at a glance for all of you, as well as the fact that from week to week you can see how uh how these things are changing.

Uh to kind of uh bookend with what Daryl indicated, we had a very positive meeting with Daryl and his staff this week about how can we speed up processes, where are there gaps, uh, where is the communication not happening.

I think by and large, I think everybody's out of their silos as far as the City of Sioux City goes.

I think all of our departments are working well together.

Um I was working with inspections back when I was a cast officer, so to me it's uh it's just a positive way to do business.

So I think from the perspective of how quickly we're getting on things, I think we're getting on uh concerns quicker than we ever did uh just because of that fact that we now have personnel that know each other face to face, a phone call can be made.

I think where we still have issues is are some of the things that Darrell mentioned about notification, property rights.

Uh we are still uh dealing with, as you mentioned, Councilman Bertrand, to clean up behind Triview.

That was that presented some barriers because it wasn't our territory.

We're also dealing with the DOT who wants us to take responsibility for their property, and I think uh I think as a city, I think we've done a very good job of of investing in uh dealing with these issues.

Uh, but we need to get partners like the DOT is involved in the solution as we are.

But um do you have any specific questions about the report or anything I can answer?

I know it's been a long council meeting.

One question, Chief.

You know, with all this discussion about, you know, being part of the solution and everything, objectively.

I feel like that we're moving the ball when it comes to the homeless in this community.

We have got more people involved.

Do you feel like that your efforts have paid dividends up to this point?

I I think any time you can remove uh, you know, and I hate to use those terms, but silo is the only way I can say it.

I think the fact that we have now brought together a lot of the stakeholders.

I think s there's still some stakeholders who who need to come to the table or need to uh uh contribute more to the solution, but I think the fact that we have broken down a lot of those barriers is significant.

Is it un is it unreasonable for this council now that with the progress that we've made?

And this isn't a knee-jerk thing that we've been working since we've got here.

Is it is it reasonable now that we're at the point where we were we're at a point we're identifying the people that don't want help?

And the fact that that in some of these people there's a criminal element, which means the drugs or the trespassing, are we at that point that that's the next step, which is I had a nice conversation with Captain Bertrand about this where it's the policing side of it.

It's the part where guys, these are the 20 percent that are I like I've said before, I believe holding downtown hostage.

That's the 20 percent.

So are we at a point in this progress, this agenda, this that that's fair to say that's where we're we're at that policing element of this of enforcement on those 20 percent.

Well, I think from our standpoint, we definitely need to stay in our lane.

Uh and that's our primary function as a member of the task force, we do need to default to law enforcement options when it comes to, as you mentioned.

And I think uh the communication is happening with the judges, the sentences are reflecting that.

I think we've uh solved a lot of those issues, but yes, uh, in fact, as you see on the the uh uh weekly report out, uh there's one of those pie charts mentioned, uh mentioned specifically who is willing and unwilling to accept services.

So it kind of shows uh some of the folks that we're addressing or dealing with that are uninterested in services, uninterested in in changing, and if criminal justice means are are the best way we have to deal with that, that's what we're gonna do.

That's our primary function.

And we have other providers within the task force that specialize in referrals that specialize uh in in treatment and in some of those things.

uh uh weekly report out uh there's one of those pie charts mentioned uh mentioned specifically who is willing and unwilling to accept services so it kind of shows uh some of the folks that we're addressing or dealing with that are uninterested in services uninterested in in changing and if criminal justice means are are the best way we have to deal with that that's what we're gonna do that's our primary function and we have other providers within the task force that specialize in referrals that specialize uh in in treatment and and some of those things uh we still have to stay in our lane I think we can facilitate I think we can ensure the safety of participants but we're still cops and that's what Captain Bertrand was trying to do with the report out is to turn the dial a little bit so that what we were reporting on focused on law enforcement efforts and I agree with him that uh we can't uh get too far out of our lane I think I think this is a great collaboration I think we're doing a lot of good things but we still have to default to a rest when it's necessary thank you thanks Chief thanks Chief Council concerns Mr.

Bertrand the word concerns and you said that before it's always concerned there I I agree maybe council comments real quick uh we can't change it I've already asked and I heard that yeah Greg and I had a nice meeting with uh Tom and uh some some community experts on wastewater and uh it was I think it was a great meeting um more to come on that when it comes to um as they start to zone in on the budget and actual expenditures so more to come on that but I was really encouraged that as a council we're we're we're staying on top of that so um actually Mike if next week I'm kind of going down my list on what where I like to be is it's time to tackle the grading permit process.

I know that's uh you I heard you swallow right there it's not fun um it's been something that's been hanging out there for a dozen years it's time to make the changes that we also need to be so let's give us an update on what the grading permit process is let's talk all the way through when it's allowed what can't be done what can we do some gray area we're gonna make we're gonna finally do it as a community we're gonna do it and then also I'd like to bring the variance process it kind of fits in the same thing let's define the variance process because I want to rip that band-aid off and we're gonna open that baby up um so those kind of where the next progress is when it comes to economic development I'd love to see that also love to have uh Reagan come back in from downtown partners give us an update where they're at with the ambassadors a lot of great things going on downtown would love to see what what she's got going on uh there um other than that it's gonna be a great week of weather and I do I did appreciate all of the the feedback uh on the discussion um rhetoric gets hot at times I think we're all want the same thing which is um to improve our community um there's no villains here it's we we are running a process and uh I just encourage the the dialogue that we have and good job and I will say we have drafted a new grading ordinance that's in the reviews love to see that it's with engineering right now but we can provide a copy of that that we have yeah let's just it's the work in progress and maybe we can take some input from the council on that but maybe we can provide some insights from the public if the public wants to discuss it.

Thank you.

I have a couple of items but I'm gonna save them in light of the time I did want to acknowledge Rick had mentioned the meeting we had last week on the wastewater treatment facility good discussion and um uh good progress in understanding the scope and how we manage that and I will be happy to visit with Reagan and ask her to do a presentation on the math that's it absolutely um you know what Mike and I should have sent you an email did we ever take care of the thing behind beacons um there was a little encampment there um that you mean the wall the well greens that fence no yeah that fence area right I I know that we kind of talked about right um I I guess the only thing uh well you know I would love to you know know if Mike if we can reach out to Tom or whomever about the fog program and maybe have a presentation on on what that looks like and how that affects on what program fog fog that's oil and great we did just update that whole thing last year is probably a good time great question yeah um so yeah if we can yeah we would love to know a little bit about that um the other thing I you know uh Shayla and and and and and gang uh thank you for being here uh always uh I love the feedback and love the engagement um you know and one thing I will say you know the three of us when we were running uh one of the big issues was homelessness and and what that looks like and how uh so I I do understand you know councilman burtrand's you know position and uh people want answers they want to know what that looks like and and how we're gonna solve it and um yeah and one thing that I I think Craig and I have talked about we realize that homelessness is affect every city is affected by it uh and so we we know that uh everything that we're trying you know we're we're just trying to figure it out and so sometimes we go different routes uh to get there but uh this is where it starts right uh and so I appreciate and everybody here I you know I appreciate uh your comments and and and engagement that's that's what it's about uh Iran on being responsive to the community and uh we want to respond to you and and do what's right and get it right so I have nothing further I move we adjourn second rayford I shanner I Bernstein Bertrand

That's that's what it's about.

Uh I ran on being responsive to the community, and uh we want to respond to you and and do what's right and get it right.

So thank you.

I have nothing further.

I move we adjourn.

Second.

Rayford.

Hi.

Bernstein.

Hi.

Bertran.