Looks like it's 701, and I'm gonna call the order of the land use urban redevelopment committee meeting on 318 2026 at 701 p.m.

In attendance tonight, of course, is me, Glenn Price, co-chair.

I also see my co-chair uh Ryan Yuce here.

I'm gonna call the rest of the role.

Uh if you don't mind, I'll do that now and we'll move on to uh other business.

Uh so uh again, representative views, coach are use.

Oh, we're good.

Never mind.

I was gonna ask Barbara to promote uh Carl and Rep Adams and also rep words to the uh to be part uh participants in the meeting.

Good stuff.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you, sir.

Uh Representative Adams.

What is it?

Representative Beckham.

Representative Beckham.

Representative Beckham.

Representative Boudreau.

Present.

Representative Fields?

President.

Representative Finkel.

Present, Mr.

Chairman.

Representative Gardner.

Present.

Representative Politia.

Present.

Excellent.

And let me see.

Uh I see one, two ex officio meeting uh members, Representative Gardner, Representative Wurz, Representative Weinberg as well has joined us.

Thank you all for uh for sitting in.

Have I missed anyone this evening?

Uh either members of the committee or uh ex officio meeting uh members.

All right.

So that being said, I'd like to take up the first and only item on the uh agenda for this evening.

It's item LU32.006.

It's a results excuse me, it's a resolution accepting Pembroke Drive as a city street by property owners, pending certification by the city engineers that Pembroke Drive meets the qualifications for acceptance.

This was submitted by Representative Weinberg, and I will uh move.

I will move to approve the resolution and then we we might have other business on this resolution.

But first I need to move to approve the resolution.

Do I have uh a motion to approve the resolution?

Motion to approve.

Is there a second?

Second second.

Thanks very much.

And uh as I understand now, the path forward is there might be a motion to uh before I move forward, Representative Weinberg, you had uh a point of information or a point of clarification.

Yeah, I'd I'd I'd like to suggest since since I'm only ex officio on this committee, I can't make a motion.

I can't make a motion to amend.

Uh, but I'd like to I'd like to suggest uh a motion to amend.

And here's what here's what's going on.

Um it's on uh as we've done more uh as we've done more research um on Pembroke Drive, it is unclear exactly who owns the road.

Uh it's clear that the the uh the the signatures on uh are on the petition are clearly the signatures of the property owners um along the road, but uh their deeds appear to say that their properties abut uh Pembroke Drive.

And but they don't specify that they include Pembroke Drive.

Uh so the um uh so the property owners um on Pembroke Drive, the residents are uh uh hiring an attorney to it looks like they're going to hire an attorney to conduct the research um to understand exactly who owns Pembroke Drive.

This might become very murky because uh the uh this this neighborhood was developed back probably before the merger of the town and the city.

And um, as anyone who lives up here in North Stanford knows, town uh land records are not always very clear.

Um so uh on the other hand, uh uh the uh uh the the residents, the property owners along Pembroke Drive, um, have already uh gotten a proposal from a contractor to rehabilitate the road and bring it up to uh the city's uh code standards.

Um so uh I will you know I don't want to merely recommit this.

Um so uh I will you know I don't want to merely recommit this if we can uh I hope the committee won't just recommit this item uh to steering and uh which would cause the um the property owners to lose at least a month.

Uh if we can if they can get this issue of who actually owns the road itself straightened out in the next few weeks before the board of reps meeting on um on April 6th.

So I want to encourage some um a voting member of the committee to amend the resolution as follows by adding the following words.

Uh quote, pending determination of the ownership of Pembroke Drive and receipt as needed of that owner's signature on the petition.

Okay.

Um and we've informally run this past a member of the uh point of information, sorry.

Yes, Representative Boudreau.

Uh can you show the text of the resolution?

I don't have it on the um the the website uh isn't showing the full text of the resolution.

So I'm not sure what the amendment that Representative Weinberg is proposing would actually do.

Yes, sir.

Give me one quick second.

I don't have the ability to drop them into a chat here.

May I respond?

You may indeed, Representative Weinberg.

Yeah, uh the the resolution is the is the is the plain language of the of the item itself that's on the agenda.

Uh okay, thank you.

Okay.

Um Representative Weinberg, were you finished with your remarks?

Um so uh you know, with this amendment, obviously the city's protected.

Uh nothing nothing can go forward uh in you know until um uh until the ownership of Pembroke Drive is is uh is understood legally and that sign that that uh owner's signature is secured.

Uh but it also enables um it if that can take place over the next three weeks, uh it also enables this process to continue to move forward um in in an expeditious way.

Uh so that's my request of of um of members of this committee.

Before I ask for a motion to amend, Representative, thank you, Representative Weinberg.

Before I ask for a motion to amend, uh Representative Finkel, you had a uh a question or a comment.

Uh my my my question and comment is what is the harm of recommitting if you if the thing can be resolved within three weeks, then what's the difference if it gets resolved in four weeks by recommitting and then coming out again?

And then we've got a crystal clear reading on what's happening and what's not happening.

Uh Chairman Representative Weiner.

Yes, please do representative Weinberg.

Yeah, the the the downside of recommitting um is um is that it prevents uh if um if the owner if the road owner of the road's signature is secured over the next three weeks, if the committee recommits the item, then it cannot be taken up at the board meeting.

And it just put and it and it means that uh the uh uh the residents along Pembroke Drive have to um have to wait at least one more an additional month, um, perhaps perhaps longer.

Um the advantage of the of the amendment is that um is that if the the ownership issue can get straightened out in the next three weeks, uh then the board has the opportunity to move to accept the petition which begins the work um uh you know a rehabilitating the road, which of course is paid for by the residents, not by the city.

Um the there is there there's no downside because if it's not work, if it's not uh if the ownership of the road is not uh successfully figured out in the signature uh achieved by the uh and by uh during that three-week period uh before April 6th, then uh the board then I will move to recommit the item at that meet at the board meeting.

I actually have a question for your representative Weinberg, but uh I'm in line behind Representative Adams.

Representative Adams, you have a question or comment?

Yeah, uh I guess um part of my question was just asked, um, how do we amend something or a road that's not owned by the resident that a butt to the road?

So even if they get a signature, would the owner of the road have to quick deed it to the property own it at above that road and also go through some kind of closing, um given equal uh each owner equal ownership of the road.

So wouldn't that shit took a little longer?

So Representative uh I'm sorry, Representative Adams, please go ahead.

My apologies.

Yeah, you know, so that was my question to Mr.

Weinberg.

Um I don't I think it probably gonna take a lot longer than them than three weeks.

May I respond?

Representative Weinberg is actually going to call on you if you don't mind responding, please.

Yeah, okay.

Uh so Representative Adams, one once the once the owner of the road is identified, one one solution is as you described is to is to is to quit deeding the ownership of the road to the uh to the property owners along the road.

Uh, but another solution, and that would take probably take longer just to go through the uh you know all the legal issues.

Um another is another approach uh is that the owner of the road, um, if identified during the the three week period merely signs the petition.

Um in which case the transfer to the quick deed transfer doesn't need to take place.

Um so um so the the val the benefit of the amendment is it is it keeps that possibility alive.

Um whether it'll actually whether whether we'll actually identify the owner of the road in that period, uh if identified, if the owner of the road will sign the petition, we'll see.

If the if neither of those happens, then um I will move to recommit the item at the April 6th meeting.

But if those both of those things happen, the owner is identified and signs the petition, then the board can go ahead and vote to um accept the petition, in which case the um the property owners can begin the work.

Thank you, Representative Weinberg.

Does that Terry, does that help?

Uh um that help in a sense, but I'm looking at it not being one ownership.

Um if the if the road is that old, um looking at probate code divided by the kids, and now it's into uh um owned by the ears, and it probably got to take each uh owner to sign if they own a percentage.

So I'm looking for that to take a lot longer than what you're saying.

If it was built two years ago, and the the developer was a young guy and the house was just built five years ago, uh I could see what you're talking about.

But if it's that old, I'm looking like somebody done die, the ears uh had to go to probate, each kid probably owned a part of it.

Um so I think it's gonna take a lot longer than that.

So you you you could be, if I may, uh chair.

Please please do.

Yeah, yeah.

You Terry, you could you could be you could be right, in which case I'll in which case if it doesn't get resolved over the next three weeks, then um, you know, as I said, I'll move to recommit recommit the uh re recommit the item.

Um so but I don't, you know, what I prefer is I don't want to uh you know assume the worst um and um and find out that that wasn't the case.

Um uh the amendment um preserves the opportunity to accept the petition.

We can accept we cannot accept the petition without the signature of the owner of the road.

So there's no risk to the city that will accept an invalid petition.

It just it that that that can't happen.

Um so uh it may take longer than the three weeks, in which case we're no worse, we're we're no worse off.

Representative Adams, uh any follow-up uh questions for Representative Weinberg?

No, I I just um I'm I'm okay with that answer, but I'm like the other representative uh I think uh recommend it back to um committee would not lose anything because it'll still take the whole month before it get back to us and we would be in steering.

And if his position changed or the owner's position changed, that could be brought up at steering, and whether we take it up or we put it on hole, uh we just put it in a placeholder.

So I think uh recommending it would make more sense.

Thank you.

Thank you, Representative Adams.

Rosan Weinberg, my my question was actually along the lines of uh what Representative Adams was asking about, if we're not able to identify or locate the necessary uh signatures in a year or two years or three years being new to this, what happens then?

That's a that's uh that's a question for for you Representative Weinberg please just a point of information for me I guess.

Well I think what you're asking is if um if the if if it's not possible if the records are are so insufficient um that it's not possible to identify uh the owner of the road yes sir um then what happens um yes sir that's exactly what I'm asking yes sir and I and the short answer is I is we'll go to legal and ask for legal advice um on that but um um but if that turns out to be the case um until that legal advice is provided and you know the law department can you know help us or can and and help the the property owners uh uh come up with a route to um you know to uh transfer ownership of the road to to someone who's known um the petition cannot go forward so in that eventuality until the ownership of the road is um is identified and the signatures of those owners are secured uh on a petition um it's not gonna it it won't go it it it won't go forward thanks representative weinberg and uh um uh I wasn't trying to stump you I was genuinely trying to understand uh uh the the situation a little bit better I mean it's sort of in you know we're a little bit in uncharted waters and and as I said I've my wife and I have personal experience with the murkiness of the of of of the land records um in in our case going back to the with our property going back to the 1920s uh here in here in uh you know in North Stamford specifically you know before the town and the city merged gotcha again appreciate you wasn't trying to play stump uh the representative that's okay it is it doesn't it doesn't take much representative boudreau you had a question or comment uh yeah so my understanding of the rules of order I don't have them in front of me um but I believe if we uh vote to recommit this item and then in the next three weeks they're able to find the owner of the road and get their signature um we would still be able to move this item in the in the board meeting as is um am I going about that I I don't know and not enough of a parliamentarian to if I'm understanding that correctly and we would be able to move it even if the committee had voted to recommit then I think that would probably be the best path forward rather than amending I are there are there any members of the committee that can speak to the parliamentary procedures required here if if I might please do yeah so I I'm I'm I'm I'm by no means a parliamentary expert um I did I I didn't uh I did not run this process this plan uh passed uh past the parliamentary and I did consult with the majority leader um and um and he spoke with a member of the legal department with one of the attorneys in the legal department unofficially um about it um and uh you know and we came up with this approach um but I agree that if um if we can if if this committee recommits the item tonight and um we can't and um the full board can still take it up um April 6th if you know the necessary signatures are you know are are are received um I would be the that would satisfy the the need thank you representative representative worse um thank you for for the floor um I just in reading the resolution the way that it's written it's already pending um I mean it's pending certification by the city engineer that Pembroke Drive meets the qualifications for acceptance wouldn't ownership determining ownership of the road be one of the qualifications that that we would be waiting for I'm assuming there are multiple qualifications that need to be met you know if this were

Thank you for for the floor.

I just in reading the resolution, the way that it's written, it's already pending.

Um I mean, it's pending certification by the city engineer that Pembroke Drive meets the qualifications for acceptance.

Wouldn't ownership determining ownership of the road be one of the qualifications that we would be waiting for.

I'm assuming there are multiple qualifications that need to be met.

You know, if this were if this were approved tonight, it's it's saying this would be approved pending certification.

So wouldn't this just be a check box in that certification?

May I respond?

Please do.

Yeah.

I I think that um while while that while what you're saying makes sense, Jeff, in terms of the the language, I don't think that's the way the process works according to the or you know, according to the ordinance that that runs the process.

Uh the first step is for the city is for the board of reps to accept the petition.

Okay.

Um the next step that the city is involved in is for the city to engineer to certify that the road meets um essentially meets code.

Um so that phrase in the um in the resolution, uh, I believe uh refers to the uh action by the city engineer, uh, not um the the acceptance of the of the petition itself.

The the acceptance of the petition in essence gets the process started.

Okay.

All right, that makes sense to me.

Yeah, I I wish it were the way you describe it.

I just don't think that's the way the ordinance reads.

Yeah, I'm I'm not on the advice I've gotten.

Um I mean it's it seems to me that perhaps this should be withdrawn until further information is provided.

That's up to the committee.

Well, it looks like uh representative Adams, did you have a question?

Or it looks like you may re withdrew your hand.

Yeah, I guess um, I my thing is um a motion to recommit because um we seem to be going in circles.

Um so motion to recommit.

Um thank you.

Thanks very much, Representative Adams.

Uh uh, Co Chair Yuge, you had a question or comment?

Yeah, I just want to say for the record that uh Lou Casolo couldn't make it because of a conflict.

Uh he's presenting the uh board of to the Board of Finance, uh the engineering department's capital and operating budget.

Um so I mean I'm I'm comfortable with whatever uh you think is best, Coach Price.

Thanks very much, uh Representative uh Co Chair Uh Yoes.

Um it it it it sounds like there's uh a call for a motion to recommit on this.

Yeah, I'll say that.

I I'm sorry, I I haven't called for them the motion uh to be seconded yet, Representative Adams.

So uh if I can I'll call for someone to make a motion to recommit.

Yeah, motion to recommit.

Thank you.

Do I have a second?

Thank you.

I'll take a roll on this vote, please.

Uh representative Hughes.

Yes.

Representative Adams?

Yes.

Representative Beckham.

Representative Beckham.

Representative Beckham.

Representative Boudreau.

Yes.

Representative Field.

Yes.

Representative Finkel?

Yes.

Representative Gardner.

Representative Gardner.

You're muted.

Felix, you're muted.

Representative Gardner.

Felix, you're on mute.

Representative Gardner going once.

Representative Gardner.

All right.

Unfortunately, it looks like Representative Gardner's not going to be able to vote on this one.

Representative Please.

Yes.

Thank you.

And I vote yay as well.

So with a vote of one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.

Yes.

Two no votes.

The motion to recommit passes.

Are there any other motions on the floor to be considered?

Do I have a motion to adjourn?

So moved.

Thank you.

Second.

Thank you all very much.

Thanks.

Have a good night.

Thank you.

Good night, everybody.

We are adjourned at 7:26.

Thank you very much.

Thank you all.

Thank you.

Thank you.