We will now call to order the legislation rules committee for Wednesday, July 15th.

Madam Clerk, can you please call the roll?

I'm sorry, we're starting at uh 1016 a.m.

Alderman Cole.

Madam Clerk.

Alderman Cole.

Present.

Alderman Norayan.

Here.

Alder Woman Keys.

Here.

Alder Woman Sonier.

And then Vice Chair Devodi.

Here.

Chair Velasquez.

Present.

Six present.

Thank you, Madam Clerk.

Now I will entertain a motion for the approval of the minutes for the meeting on Wednesday, July 1st, 2026.

So moved.

Madam Clerk, can you please call the roll?

Alderman Cole.

Aye.

Alderman.

I alder woman keys.

Aye.

Alder Woman Sanyer.

Aye.

Vice Chair Devone.

I.

Chair Velasquez.

Aye.

Six I votes.

Thank you, Madam Clerk.

With that, we have approved the minutes from Wednesday, July 1st, 2026.

Today we don't have any board bills for review.

We have no resolutions for review, and we have three items uh on our we have three discussion items, uh three different board bills to engross uh 34 amended as amended in committee, 41 as amended in committee, and uh floor substitute uh 50.

I'm going to go in reverse order because we are double checking some uh things.

Uh so Mr.

Clerk, can you please walk us through uh board bill 50 substitute or floor substitute?

Oh clerk, you're on mute.

You're still on mute.

Okay, can you hear me now?

Yes.

Okay.

So basically the substitute and board bill 50, the original language included in that section, um these committee markets or commercial markets, and the amendment to that removed one of them.

And so then the um floor bill put that section back.

So basically the it took it back to the original intent of the original bill.

So it um replaced the the amendment replaced, took out sections that shouldn't have um by mistake, and so the full board the the floor substitute put it back in.

So the your question about was the amendment language correct.

It was not the correct language, it was not the intent.

So the um full board language is the intent of that bill and it reflects what was in the original bill.

So just so I'm understanding it correctly because I'm looking at the uh floor substitute combined, and that section C should say downtown commercial vending market means the public right-of-way along Market Street between the intersections of South Eighth Street and South 16th Street, and the public right-of-way along Chestnut Street between the intersections of Market Street and North 15th Street, and the public right-of-way along Chestnut Street between the intersections of North 14th Street and North 15th Street.

And so the floor substitute put that back in.

All right.

And then I will go to committee members to see if they have questions.

Um the dates, figures, cross references, and citations have been reviewed by legal and financial, our legal and financial analysts before engrossment.

Is that correct, Mr.

Clerk?

Um, I've I've not I don't think they have been.

Um I think we just did this one.

We just did uh our review internally.

Okay, so um uh for engrossment.

This is part of our checklist for engrossment.

Um that these these these things, if a bill goes through engrossment, we need to address um all these these items on our checklist, and that is the first one.

uh our review internally okay so um uh for engrossment this is part of our checklist for engrossment um that these these these things if a bill goes through engrossment we need to address um all these these these items on our checklist and that is the first one okay let me see if um if he has i don't believe it was been sent to him but i can check okay because if that's the case we uh we can't grow we should not be happy yes i'm looking at at losing so so both the um financial and and um in lieu of signed off on it reviewing it okay thank you um it looks like the second one we just discussed but past amendments have been incorporated rejected have been incorporated and rejected amendments are omitted that is correct for uh we have obviously the amendments incorporated accurately in this case means uh rejecting some but are all the changes incorporated accurately yes have we checked the section was simply board bill 50 or all of them we're only on board bill 50 right now we're gonna go through each bill individually okay so yes no I was gonna ask if section numbering was accurate yes yes section uh and the exhibits and attachments are properly incorporated yes there were um no exhibits or attachments okay well we'll take that as a yes uh and the summary and bill text are formatted correctly yes okay great with that I will go before we certify this I will go uh and see if anybody in the committee has questions starting with uh Alderman Cohn thank you madam chair uh I don't have any questions well I actually have rather a lot but uh I think it's more so related to process and how we get to the place that we're at right now where a bill's coming before us for engrossment and uh this just seems uh particularly concerning uh you know we should have the answers to all of these when it gets to this stage of the process so uh I don't particularly feel comfortable you know voting to engross this bill uh just given the conversation that we're having this morning I don't know how others feel but uh it just me personally this seems pretty concerning so am I understanding this correctly madam chair that like the first item on the checklist for engrossment we don't even have that confirmed well aura came in and said to the deputy to deputy clerk john that it that those bills had been reviewed by legal and our financial analyst I would have preferred that they're not would have been a pause and it would have been uh clear from the beginning but is that true uh madam clerk that those were reviewed or is it a question mark deputy clerk oh um yes i they were they were reviewed both by um Lou and by um sir okay you said they we're only talking about one bill right now yes yeah well I'm talking about with yes board bill 50 two people have to review it that's what he said that they keep being Louis okay all right thank you all right Alderman Ryan no questions thanks alderman keys all right we will pause Alderman Sanya I see of your hand up as well thank you madam chair I'm just trying to figure out the bill that the bill that's a client you are looking at or those just the current bills that are on the city's website or should they be in our legislative rules board bill draw they're in the drive under discussions and there's a fold name July 15th yeah and then there are separate folders for each uh bill on our discussion list with uh various assets including the amendments and summaries of the amendments um you know but but to alter man contour here um I think you know we're trying to figure out a time these meetings so that we do have we do give staff the appropriate time to make sure things are checked and double checked before we do this and that frankly it didn't happen today uh so you know I think uh you know I know it's a new process and it should be clear to committee members uh but also you know the goal is that these things are perfect or

But to Alderman Cohn's point, not to beat a dead horse here.

And that frankly didn't happen today.

So, you know, I think, you know, I know it's a new process and it should be clear to committee members.

Uh, but also, you know, the goal is that these things are perfect or accurate when before we have this meeting, so we're not sorting through it like we are.

Um, so I, you know, um we need to figure out a way so that we don't do this again.

And that's not that's on.

And I will I would I would take one second.

I know after and we're working on a process where we have um actual, you know, fiscal sign-off.

So I was checklisting, everyone's signing off and they that they uh test that they um on the physical side on the legal side on it and on a closed side.

So we will work to get that process uh perfected.

Thank you.

Uh Alderman Sonier, uh any any other any additional questions.

I'm just um in the I'm maybe come back.

I know I think I'm gonna see okay around.

So no for the first one.

Yeah.

Thank you.

And I and I would if you we have one of your bills too, that's gonna be next.

So I think they're all because they're different types of amendments, they're all a little bit, you know.

I think one of the things we need to work on is making sure that how we show the changes is consistent in the drive because it's a little, it was confusing to me this morning.

Um thank you, Alderman Sonier.

Uh Alderman Devotee.

I don't have any questions.

I would echo Alderman Cohn's um observation.

Uh I would point out for what it's worth that in the drive in the discussion folder, uh, there is attached uh Cheryl Campbell's fiscal note with respect to board build 50.

I know that doesn't directly provide evidence with respect to legal review, but it does with respect to Ms.

Campbell's review.

Thank you.

Nothing else.

Thank you.

Um so we've talked about that it did go under legal review and uh was reviewed by our fiscal financial analyst again, Alderman Cohn, I do share your concern that it was not clear from jump, uh, but the clerk does say that it has gone through those reviews.

So with that, uh I will uh Madam Chair.

Yes.

Um just to I mean so obviously uh, you know, most of this should be done when a bill g comes up for perfection, right?

So it it this committee, you know, should just be essentially checking those boxes that you know, kind of enumerate at the you know, beginning of this conversation this morning.

Um, but you know, ensuring that amendments have been added to the bill, ensuring that you know the bill has a fiscal note, you know, all of that should be done prior to the bill being perfected.

Um I and I I understand that this is a you know kind of uh a check and balance and our our legislative process to ensure that uh our staff and our colleagues are following the appropriate processes here, but um it seems as though since we've been having these uh meetings to engross bills that we keep stumbling upon kind of lapses in the process.

Um and so you know, for me, I think it would be important for us to have conversations with the clerk and the you know associate clerks around you know what their processes are to ensure that by the time it gets to the engrossment committee that these things are already done and frankly they should be done, you know, at perfection.

Um I just wanted to throw that out there because I think it's important that we have that conversation at some point in time, you know, whether that's driven by this committee or by the president's office.

Um, I think that that needs to happen.

Thank you, Alderman.

Uh, just so you know we are having those conversations.

Um uh clearly the process has not been uh I'm not gonna use the word perfected because it to not confuse it with the actual perfection process, but to my mind, this should be a these meetings should be pretty quick and straightforward because we shouldn't actually be finding errors, and we are right, and that does, you know, concern me.

Like as a former newspaper person where we have multiple copy desks, like there's a reason why you have to we have to double check the work and the bills today are not, you know, it was uh we're gonna have to bounce one back to committee that you know shouldn't have that we should have caught things earlier.

So I think we definitely need to make sure that we have a process that works and is tight so that these meetings are not uh like this.

But alas, we're here today, so um I will if there are no other discussion points on floor substitute, uh board bill 50 floor substitute.

I will entertain a motion that we engross uh board bill 50 floor substitute.

Uh so moved Madam Clerk, can you please call the rollman call?

Yeah, be a present on this one.

Alderman Narayan.

Present.

Alderwoman Keys present.

Alder Woman Sany.

Vice Chair Devoli.

Hi.

Chair Velasquez.

If you present three eyes.

With that, we have failed to engross board bill uh 50, floor substitute.

So it looks like we're gonna come back and meet for that one.

Uh with that, we will move to the second discussion item, which is board bill 41 as amended in committee.

Uh Deputy Clerk Johnson, can you please walk us through the changes?

We also have the bill sponsor here.

Uh so we if we have any additional questions, uh Alderman Sanyer, we may come to you.

Hopefully we don't, but okay.

Um, can you hear me?

Yes, we can't see you though.

Okay, so we got I'm gonna try to get my camera back on.

Um so in the original bill, section one subsection G.

Um, it said the city should shall give priority consideration to organizations certified as community development corporations under this ordinance.

Um the amendments basically the final verb which says the city may give preference to organizations certified as community development or corporations under this ordinance.

Um so basically I'm sorry.

That's fine.

There's it shouldn't say name.

The final amendment that was made uh would be amendment number one that's in the file, and it says the city uh we didn't we didn't go with the shadow priority language that amendment didn't get that agreement.

We ran with the Saudi the city shadows yet preference as the final language that should be in the bill.

Okay, so amendment that amendment did not go through.

Amendment number one in the drive did not go through in the bill.

And said we did that amendment did not get adopted.

Amendment two and three did, but that amendment number one did not get adopted.

Okay, so what so I wasn't aware of that.

Um that's a big difference.

Many times a big difference.

That's really a big clerical error.

Okay.

So amendment, so it should be share on the sort of may give preference gives priority.

Amendment one did not get adopted, so that should not be in the bill at all.

Okay.

Okay, yeah, I amendment one didn't get adapted, amendment two and three do.

So if you're watching if you look at the draft, and then the number one from Brown didn't get adopted, and that's why we ended up doing amendment three from that was kind of the compromise that we landed on with the language.

Okay.

So we can make that change.

Because that is part of the amendment.

That's part of the original amendment.

So yeah, this amendment three.

If you take amendment two and then three, those both got adapted.

Amendment one got voted down.

Okay.

Or actually, we never took a vote on it.

We just did a compromise and amendment three with the compromise that we're brown and landed off.

So let's see here.

So I'm sorry.

All of these meetings are recorded.

We should not just be relying upon the all as much as I respect my colleague from the seventh, and I'm sure she has a wonderful recollection of everything.

The clerk should be going through the meetings and verifying the motions that were made, who they were made by, what was adopted, what failed, and incorporating those into the bills.

100%.

I don't disagree with you, Alderman.

I'm going to recognize Alderman Narayan, and then I'm gonna recommend that we do not engross this bill uh today.

But Alderman Narayan, since we're uh thank you.

Uh I I share Alderman Cohn's concerns here.

Um none of this needs to be rushed through.

We need to make sure we're getting this right.

Um, and it doesn't seem like the uh seems like there's been some breakdown uh in at least the first two bills that we're looking to uh engrossed and I I imagine that we're gonna have a similar conversation on the third one.

Um so I would recommend that we just adjourn and come back at a later date when we know that this has been done correctly.

Yeah, I'm I'm I'm fine.

I need to move my bill back to committee because board bill 34 has amended in committee is incorrect as well.

So I would like to make that motion.

Uh and then uh adjourn.

Um, but I do want to go through kind of out of order here.

Does anybody else from the committee have any other thoughts before we before we move on to the next discussion item?

Uh just that I would just uh echo the alderman of the third's uh concerns.

Um I would amend it, even if you don't want to watch the text, I thought we do take notes during the meetings or those another types are usually specific to hold the motion with no deciding well the second at the voice and if they say that if we're not gonna watch the page that we review the notes to share a clear on where you know what what happens or definitely a little bit more significant of saying, you know, that was the kind of whole discussion that we had in the committee with the difference in saddles as well.

Well, thank you for being here.

I agree.

I mean, the intent is that we we have uh Alderman Devotee and I have talked, and that we are trying to space out these meetings with enough time that these things are accurate before we get here, and that clearly did not happen today.

So uh we will have to meet again here 50 and 41 or to engross these two.

Uh the last discussion item is board bill 34 as amended.

Sorry, um chair Velasquez.

Since we began the discussion, and and you can make this clear with me.

We started on board bill 41.

Do we still have to vote it out in order for it to fail to vote for it to fail out or no?

I think we can just hold it in committee.

Okay.

And like we're holding, well, 50 failed, but we're holding this in committee.

I don't know if there's a difference.

Okay.

I will move to my own.

There would have to be a motion to reconsider board bill 50 at the next meeting.

Do we want to undo our vote on 50 and then just hold it in committee?

I I'd be fine with that.

I'll make the motion to reconsider board bill 50 as amended in committee.

Or I'm sorry, board bill 50 floor substitute.

Second.

All right, madam clerk.

Does that work?

And then we will hold well.

We do need to take a vote.

Okay.

I'm good to go.

No, we need a vote on it.

So that's what I'm saying.

You've given me permission to go ahead and call the role.

Alderman Cole.

Aye.

Alderman Narayan.

Alderwoman Keys.

Aye.

Alderwoman Sanyer.

Hi.

Vice Chair Devotee.

Hi.

Chair Velasquez.

Aye.

Six eye votes.

With that, we have reconsidered the vote on board bill 54 substitute.

Correct.

So the board bill is now before us again in committee.

And I would make a motion that we hold the bill in committee.

Previous role.

So that oh, hearing no objections to previous rule.

Uh we will hold it in committee.

Madam Clerk, that was made the motion was made by the alderman from the third, and I believe it was seconded by four.

Was it we're going four?

Okay.

Kind of a tie, but we'll take it.

All right.

With that, we're going to hold board bill floor substance.

Ugh, floor board bill 50, floor substitute in committee.

Um, I will entertain a motion to hold uh board bill 41 as amended in committee.

Second, previous roll.

Hearing no any objections to previous roll.

Hearing no objections to previous role, board bill 41 is amended in uh we're holding board bill 41 as amended in committee.

Madam Clerk, that was uh moved by Alderwin Sunye and seconded by uh the alderman from the third.

Yes.

All right, our final discussion item is Board Bill 34 as amended it committee.

It too has errors, so I would it is my speed hump bill.

Um I would like to move it back to committee so we can go through this process again because there was a exhibit that was incorrectly uh attached and moved through with an incorrect with uh incorrectly.

I move that we uh send board bill 34 as amended in committee back to public public infrastructure and utilities committee.

That's previous role.

Hearing no any objections to previous role, hearing no objections to previous role.

Board bill 34 as amended committee goes back to public infrastructure.

Madam Clerk, that was um the motion was made by Alderman Cohn, and I believe it was seconded by Alder Woman Sunye.

Correct.

And previous role from Sanye.

Yes, previous role from Sanye.

Uh Madam Clerk, I assume there's no written testimony.

We have none.

Any announcements?

Nope.

Uh all members were here.

Uh with that, I will entertain a motion to adjourn.

So moved.

Second.

Previous roll.

Hearing no objections to previous roll, this meeting is adjourned.