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St. Paul Council Finance & Budget Committee Meeting - Nov 19, 2025

Budget CommitteeWednesday, November 19, 2025
BodySt Paul, Minnesota
SessionBudget Committee
DateWednesday, November 19, 2025
StatusFILED
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Transcript — Verbatim
5:16

Good morning, calling the St.

5:18

Paul City Council Finance and Budget Committee to order.

5:23

We have uh it looks like light schedule, but it's not.

5:26

We've got um uh our wonderful staff member Madeline Mitchell from OFS is going to offer us our 2025 year on projections, and then we also are having a conversation about um the chair's budget and any budget amendments that are coming from my colleagues today.

5:42

Um, even though it looks pretty light, we've got a lot to get through.

5:47

So um, Madeline, to the best of your abilities, please um give us your best timely presentation.

5:55

Um I think what I will do is um again kind of mischief, not mischief management, but time management.

6:02

Um, so we'll be open to questions, but kind of the moment we hit a critical point, I'm gonna make sure that Madeline gets the rest of her presentation.

6:08

So with that, I hand it over to you today.

6:10

Hi, Madeline, welcome.

6:11

Thank you.

6:12

Good morning, council members.

6:13

I'm Madeline Mitchell, budget manager in OFS.

6:16

I'm here today to present the 2025 projected general fund spending and revenue.

6:21

Um I I was asked to be brief, so I will do my best.

6:24

Uh, I'll talk quickly.

6:25

Um I would like to start by thanking the budget team and all of our department partners.

6:29

There's a ton of work and time that goes into making these projections.

6:32

Um so thank you to all involved.

6:34

Um, if I could distill this presentation into two takeaways, they would be that this is an extraordinary year due to the cyber incident and a historic payment for a lawsuit, and that these projections are changing every day.

6:46

Um we work really hard each year to provide the most accurate and um information that we can, but there's still a lot that can change, and really the only thing that I can guarantee about these numbers is that they will change.

6:58

Um, so like I said, uh we have two extraordinary and unexpected costs that created um immense pressure on the city budget this year, two and a half million in costs related to the cyber incident, 1.5 of which is in the general fund, and the seven and a half million paid in September as the result of a recent lawsuit.

7:18

Um, this is the best information we have right now.

7:21

Transactions and budget amendments will continue to process through the end of the year, and then revenue will continue to come in even into 2026, as some of our revenue lags a month or two behind.

7:31

And then we have year-end transfers and internal charges that occur well into 2026.

7:36

So this is a really busy time of year for city accountants as they continue to clean up entries and make um final budget changes.

7:43

On the whole, we are projecting that we will have a one-time deficit of 8.4 million for 2025.

7:49

This number comes from comparing projected revenue to projected expenditures.

7:53

Um, said another way, we expect to spend 8.4 million, then we will receive in revenue.

7:59

As you know, um, we do have a spending and hiring waiver uh hiring freeze in place to help with this gap.

8:05

We won't know the full impacts of this freeze until the books are closed on 2025, but we're hopeful that it will continue to help bring that 8.4 million number down.

8:14

Um in OFS, we are actively working with departments to find creative solutions to close the gap for 2025, but it will be a significant challenge.

8:24

So to start, here's a high-level summary of our projections.

8:28

Um I'll walk you through reading this table.

8:30

The amended budget in the second column reflects the adopted budget plus any changes that have occurred in the last 11 months, um, including budget amendments and any carry forward needed for purchase orders that were open at the end of 2024.

8:43

Um, these second, the third column are projected actuals, and those are a combination of actual spending and revenue that has occurred and uh posted in our finance system, and any anticipated additional spending and revenue for the remainder of the year.

9:00

The fourth column there is the projected variance.

9:02

That's the difference between the projected actual spending and the amended budget.

9:07

A positive number in the projected variance column is a good thing.

9:11

Uh on the spending side, it means a department has not overspent their budget.

9:15

On the revenue side, it means we collected more revenue than budgeted.

9:19

And the last column shows the percent of the amended budget over or underspent or um over or under revenue.

9:26

We are expecting the 2025 general fund budget um to be overspent by 8.9 million, which is balanced by additional uh projected revenue of 5.3 million over budget.

9:37

Um and if you're doing the math here, you may wonder why our deficit is 8.4 instead of um the difference between 8.9 minus that 5.3 number.

9:46

And this is because the number in the fourth column, that projected variance are um variants to budget.

9:52

So if you look at the second column, you'll see that our amended spending budget is 419 million, and our amended revenue budget is only 414 million.

10:02

The majority of the difference between those two is due to our carry-forward process where budget authority for open purchase orders is rolled forward into the next year.

10:12

If we compare projections of actual revenue to actual spending, that's where we get the $8.4 million number.

10:33

Next we have spending by department.

10:35

Oh, sorry.

10:36

Yep, sorry.

10:37

Cruiser Millennium, whose question was it?

10:39

Oh, council president.

10:40

Sorry, council president.

10:41

Thanks, Chair.

10:42

Um, so Ms.

10:43

Mitchell, just to make sure I understand, because um we were gone kind of quickly through that.

10:47

So even before the cyber incident costs and the lawsuit payment costs, we would have been 8.4 million below what we expected to be, or does that include those additional costs?

11:01

Council President, um the before the 8.4 million includes the cyber attack and um the lawsuit.

11:09

So were it not for those two items, we would be 617 to the good.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
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Public Safety████████████████16%
Transportation Safety██████████10%
Pending Litigation██████6%
Procedural████4%
Public Engagement████4%
Immigration Policy████4%
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Summary of Proceedings

St. Paul City Council Finance and Budget Committee Meeting - November 19, 2025

The Finance and Budget Committee convened to review the 2025 year-end financial projections and the Chair's proposed budget amendments for the upcoming 2026 fiscal cycle. Staff reported a projected one-time general fund deficit of $8.4 million driven primarily by a $7.5 million one-time lawsuit payment and $2.7 million in costs related to a recent cyber incident. Committee members discussed the implications of these extraordinary costs, the effectiveness of the current hiring and spending waiver, and the potential for state reimbursement.

Consent Calendar

  • No explicit consent calendar items were listed in the transcript; the meeting proceeded directly to the presentation of financial projections.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Council President Maker: Expressed strong support for the unprecedented transparency and inclusivity of the current budget process, commending the Chair and staff for maintaining a timeline and allowing public deliberation on amendments.
  • Councilmember Johnson: Expressed concern regarding the treatment of recent budget variances as "one-off" anomalies, noting recurring overspending issues in public safety departments and calling for better planning for future litigation and emergency responses.
  • Councilmembers (General): No external public testimony was recorded from non-council members; all comments originated from committee members.

Discussion Items

  • 2025 Financial Projections: Madeline Mitchell (Budget Manager, OFS) presented that the city faces an $8.4 million deficit. This includes a $1.5 million portion of the $2.7 million cyber incident costs in the general fund and a $7.5 million lawsuit payment. Mitchell noted that without these two items, the city would be budget balanced by $617,000.
  • Departmental Variances:
    • The General Government account is projected overspent by $6.3 million, primarily due to the lawsuit payment.
    • Parks is projected overspent by nearly $3 million, driven by copper wire theft repairs for street lighting, summer storms, and safety costs.
    • Police is projected overspent by $2.5 million (adjusted to $1.5 million after a pending amendment) due to supplies and ammunition.
    • Emergency Management is projected overspent due to extended operations during the cyber incident.
    • Councilmember Johnson stated that the recurring nature of these overspends suggests a systemic issue rather than an anomaly, while Mitchell argued the lawsuit and cyber incident were unprecedented one-time events.
  • Funding Solutions:
    • OFS indicated they are actively pursuing state reimbursement for up to 75% of cyber incident costs, expected to be $2 million to $2 million of the $2.7 million total.
    • Mitchell stated no formal budget amendments are currently requested from the council to close the gap, relying instead on administrative moves of expenses to grants and special funds.
  • Chair's 2026 Budget Amendments: Chair Cam presented a consensus amendment package totaling $4.1 million in uses and sources, aiming to restore frontline services including firefighters, rec centers, libraries, and district council funding.
  • Amendments Presented: Council members proposed various amendments to restore funding or add oversight, including:
    • Councilmember Yang: Proposed increasing funding for the Immigrant Defense Fund and New American Loan Program ($300k) and retaining parking enforcement officers (+6 officers).
    • Councilmember Coleman: Proposed hiring a community prosecutor for the City Attorney's office and funding an I-94 rethinking study ($50k).
    • Councilmember Joost & others: Proposed restoring funding for the Public Works robotic painter and mill/overlay funds.
    • Councilmember Bowie: Proposed oversight resolutions for the Rondo Library renovation, new funding for Ujama Place, and council oversight of Opioid Settlement Funds.
    • Councilmember Johnson: Expressed support for eliminating long-vacant positions and proposed lowering the levy further if unused dollars arise.

Key Outcomes

  • Deficit Confirmation: The committee accepted the $8.4 million one-time general fund deficit projection for 2025.
  • Amendment Process: The Chair outlined the process for submitting resolutions to Legistar by the following week, requiring at least four supporting council members, with a final vote scheduled for December 3, 2025.
  • Consensus on Chair's Plan: The Chair's initial amendment package, balancing $4.1 million in uses and sources to restore critical services, was presented with broad consensus.
  • Next Steps: The committee will review all submitted amendments and prepare for the final budget and levy adoption on December 3rd.
  • Reporting Mechanisms: Councilmember Johnson proposed embedding quarterly budget-to-actual reporting requirements for the city and Housing Redevelopment Authority (HRA) into the final budget resolution.

Meeting Transcript

Good morning, calling the St. Paul City Council Finance and Budget Committee to order. We have uh it looks like light schedule, but it's not. We've got um uh our wonderful staff member Madeline Mitchell from OFS is going to offer us our 2025 year on projections, and then we also are having a conversation about um the chair's budget and any budget amendments that are coming from my colleagues today. Um, even though it looks pretty light, we've got a lot to get through. So um, Madeline, to the best of your abilities, please um give us your best timely presentation. Um I think what I will do is um again kind of mischief, not mischief management, but time management. Um, so we'll be open to questions, but kind of the moment we hit a critical point, I'm gonna make sure that Madeline gets the rest of her presentation. So with that, I hand it over to you today. Hi, Madeline, welcome. Thank you. Good morning, council members. I'm Madeline Mitchell, budget manager in OFS. I'm here today to present the 2025 projected general fund spending and revenue. Um I I was asked to be brief, so I will do my best. Uh, I'll talk quickly. Um I would like to start by thanking the budget team and all of our department partners. There's a ton of work and time that goes into making these projections. Um so thank you to all involved. Um, if I could distill this presentation into two takeaways, they would be that this is an extraordinary year due to the cyber incident and a historic payment for a lawsuit, and that these projections are changing every day. Um we work really hard each year to provide the most accurate and um information that we can, but there's still a lot that can change, and really the only thing that I can guarantee about these numbers is that they will change. Um, so like I said, uh we have two extraordinary and unexpected costs that created um immense pressure on the city budget this year, two and a half million in costs related to the cyber incident, 1.5 of which is in the general fund, and the seven and a half million paid in September as the result of a recent lawsuit. Um, this is the best information we have right now. Transactions and budget amendments will continue to process through the end of the year, and then revenue will continue to come in even into 2026, as some of our revenue lags a month or two behind. And then we have year-end transfers and internal charges that occur well into 2026. So this is a really busy time of year for city accountants as they continue to clean up entries and make um final budget changes. On the whole, we are projecting that we will have a one-time deficit of 8.4 million for 2025. This number comes from comparing projected revenue to projected expenditures. Um, said another way, we expect to spend 8.4 million, then we will receive in revenue. As you know, um, we do have a spending and hiring waiver uh hiring freeze in place to help with this gap. We won't know the full impacts of this freeze until the books are closed on 2025, but we're hopeful that it will continue to help bring that 8.4 million number down. Um in OFS, we are actively working with departments to find creative solutions to close the gap for 2025, but it will be a significant challenge. So to start, here's a high-level summary of our projections. Um I'll walk you through reading this table. The amended budget in the second column reflects the adopted budget plus any changes that have occurred in the last 11 months, um, including budget amendments and any carry forward needed for purchase orders that were open at the end of 2024. Um, these second, the third column are projected actuals, and those are a combination of actual spending and revenue that has occurred and uh posted in our finance system, and any anticipated additional spending and revenue for the remainder of the year. The fourth column there is the projected variance. That's the difference between the projected actual spending and the amended budget. A positive number in the projected variance column is a good thing. Uh on the spending side, it means a department has not overspent their budget. On the revenue side, it means we collected more revenue than budgeted. And the last column shows the percent of the amended budget over or underspent or um over or under revenue. We are expecting the 2025 general fund budget um to be overspent by 8.9 million, which is balanced by additional uh projected revenue of 5.3 million over budget. Um and if you're doing the math here, you may wonder why our deficit is 8.4 instead of um the difference between 8.9 minus that 5.3 number. And this is because the number in the fourth column, that projected variance are um variants to budget. So if you look at the second column, you'll see that our amended spending budget is 419 million, and our amended revenue budget is only 414 million. The majority of the difference between those two is due to our carry-forward process where budget authority for open purchase orders is rolled forward into the next year. If we compare projections of actual revenue to actual spending, that's where we get the $8.4 million number. Next we have spending by department. Oh, sorry.

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