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Audit Committee Meeting Discusses Audit Topics and Community Engagement on July 21, 2026

Budget CommitteeTuesday, July 21, 2026
BodySt Paul, Minnesota
SessionBudget Committee
DateTuesday, July 21, 2026
StatusFILED
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13:08

It would behoove us to get a little bit more information about a lot of our topics.

13:11

Um, so we spent the last month doing that, and I'm going to in a moment um turn it over to Mr.

13:17

McVeigh to share more about what we learned and how we did that engagement.

13:20

Um I believe all of the council members were engaged in different parts of different conversations with different department directors.

13:27

Um then we also got some feedback from Miss uh Ms.

13:31

Britt, Dr.

13:32

Britt, um, as to her thoughts on the different what we heard and what she thinks would be most viable.

13:38

Um before we dive in, I also want to clarify something for the record.

13:41

We um misstated um an element of the college bound program at the last meeting, and I just want to be really clear that um the program is not it is automatic enrollment, so student children as soon as they are born are automatically enrolled in the program.

13:55

Um parents then have the option to add additional dollars to the program or participate in other ways, but it is an automatic enrollment, so I just wanted to make sure that that was clear for the record, and apologies to the department for having had that be misstated last time.

14:11

Um with that, I'm gonna turn things over to Mr.

14:13

McVay to tell us more about what we've learned.

14:17

So um thank you, Madam Chair.

14:20

I will try to give cliff notes to all this because I realize there's a lot going on in here, and I don't know.

14:25

I'm really sorry we sent this out in this format, honestly.

14:29

I mean, it works.

14:30

Um Ms.

14:31

Vang was very supportive of how this was all put together, but I realized it's a lot to digest in a very short period of time.

14:37

And um I will start off with um Council members, thank you for working with myself and with uh Miss Vang to make the interviews with department heads possible and with their program management staff.

14:52

Uh the general I'm gonna give you thirty-six thousand foot level overview of our interviews, and then we can get into the weeds with each individual department.

15:02

Um all four departments that are interested in the work that we are doing.

15:07

Um here at the audit committee, however, there is some hesitation generally to undergo an audit currently, as in like this calendar year.

15:17

Um that was unfortunately expressed by all four of the departments that we interviewed.

15:22

Um a lot of it's due to timing.

15:24

For one thing, there's been uh transition.

15:26

Um several departments have new um department heads.

15:30

Uh there's also the concern about available staff resources and triage with us as we can deduct these audits have being said, it's actually not gonna be that significant of a lift for them because we're gonna be doing a lot of the work ourselves.

15:42

Um, and then there was also a question about data utility, which we can get into a little bit um, we can get into further details on that with some of the departments, especially like with DSI in particular.

15:51

Um they all generally expressed a preference for a latter half of 2027.

15:58

That being said, we do have we are in conversation with Ms.

16:02

Vang last week.

16:04

There we there are ways to maneuver in terms of how we scope our questions, which we tried to do as you'll see within the um research questions that we proposed.

16:13

These are just to facilitate conversation, they're not actually the end all and be all at this point in time.

16:19

But uh circling back the um in terms of the latter half 2027, I actually and Ms.

16:29

Vang agrees with me as well that we can do audits yet this year for some as long as we frame the research questions in a certain way.

16:36

Because um, for instance, like with the Office of Financial Empowerment, there were questions that they had with um, and I know Councilmember Johnson, you can speak to this as well with uh equity in terms of their outreach to the public because they admit they agree that there are they need to improve on that, and that there's a lot of people that don't know about that particular program of college bound, and also in a whole range of things with uh DSI as well.

17:05

Um, we can really get into the weeds on that one because it's such a massive department.

17:08

That being said, um I don't have much more to add over a general um summary for all departments.

17:16

Um we can discuss individual departments, and I imagine it'd be a conversationalist you want to go through each um uh research question line by line item.

17:25

I will add um as a mile one just minor clarification, Adam Chair.

17:31

We have not heard back yet in full from Dr.

17:33

Britt regarding uh the uh costing.

17:38

She gave it basically at this point we have a very rough idea of where we're going to be in terms of cost for these audits, but she was we haven't gotten a specified um dollar amount yet from her, and it's in a lot with timing.

17:49

It was kind of like a rough estimate.

17:51

She needed to have more time to look at it.

17:53

I imagine she's gonna get back to us this week, if not early next week.

17:56

So it is Tuesday, so fingers crossed.

17:59

So with that being said, Madam Chair, I defer back to you.

18:03

All right, thanks so much.

18:04

Um again, Mr.

18:05

Pai for both that summary and also for coordinating so much of this work.

18:08

Um I think it would probably be helpful to hear from those of us who were part of the different conversations if we have things to add um to what you just shared.

18:18

Again, as you mentioned, we have very, very comprehensive um summaries in front of us.

18:23

Um, but it might help folks wrap their heads around it to hear from any any reflections or suggestions or insights that council members or anyone else did.

18:33

I Mr.

18:33

Lassetter or Miss Delworth, you did not participate in that conversation with department directors, right?

18:38

So any summaries that we would share from our conversations, and I don't know if either of my colleagues wants to start I can hold Ms.

18:47

Johnson.

18:49

Yeah, I mean, I I participated in the um college-bound discussion and appreciated kind of hearing from the director uh about not only just some of the program pieces but where they're currently at, and just getting clarification.

19:04

One of the things that I kind of shared with them as well is that this body really considered that topic as part because it came up in some of the mayoral discussion and conversations we had with the mayor.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Public Engagement███████████████████████████████████████████43%
Public Works███████████████████19%
District Council Operations███████████████████19%
Community Engagement██████████████14%
Procedural█████5%
Summary of Proceedings

Saint Paul Audit Committee Meeting – July 21, 2026

The Saint Paul Audit Committee met on Tuesday, July 21, 2026, to discuss audit topic recommendations and receive a community engagement update. After deliberation, the committee voted to eliminate CollegeBound and recommend three topics—District Council Reform, Business Licensing, and Street Maintenance & Pothole Repair—to the full council for selection of two. The committee also heard an update on community outreach efforts.

Discussion of Audit Topic Recommendations

  • Chair Noecker corrected a prior misstatement: the CollegeBound program is automatic enrollment for children at birth, with optional parental contributions.
  • Community Advisor Noah McVay summarized interviews with four departments (Office of Financial Empowerment, Public Works, DSI, PED). All expressed hesitation about audits in 2026 due to leadership transitions, staff capacity, and data utility. Most preferred a latter half of 2027 timeframe, though some audits could proceed earlier with careful framing.
  • Councilmember Johnson reported that the CollegeBound department lacked strong feelings about an audit and was conducting its own evaluation; she did not recommend proceeding.
  • Councilmember Coleman noted Public Works is undergoing internal changes and was concerned about duplicative work, but she supported moving forward with all three non-CollegeBound topics.
  • Chair Noecker shared details from DSI and PED discussions: for DSI, potential audits could examine outlier negative cases (e.g., extreme permitting failures) or outdated business license ordinances misaligned with state law. For PED (district councils), questions focused on contract performance metrics, representativeness of engagement, and alignment with modern expectations given the system’s 1970s origins. Litigation regarding DSI fees was noted, requiring avoidance of fee-related questions.
  • Advisor Dilworth suggested framing audits as collaborative to help departments rather than duplicate their work.
  • McVay distributed Dr. Britt’s email recommending against prioritising CollegeBound; she identified District Council Reform and Business Licensing as optimal for the next round, with Street Maintenance suitable for future consideration.
  • After discussion, the committee unanimously agreed to drop CollegeBound and recommend three topics: District Council Reform, Business Licensing, and Street Maintenance & Pothole Repair. The full council will select two for the 2026–2027 audit cycle.

Community Engagement Update

  • Noah McVay reported meeting with two more district councils (Payne-Phalen and Frogtown), bringing his total to all but two district councils reached (either in person or via correspondence). He thanked the councils for their cooperation.
  • McVay plans to meet with civic organizations in fall 2026, including League of Women Voters, Citizens League, Chamber of Commerce, Neighborhood House, Isaiah, Asian Economic Development Association, Brown Community Center, Downtown Alliance, Open Arms, and Star House.
  • Chair Noecker suggested expanding the list to include critical groups such as Inside St. Paul and St. Paul Strong, and neighborhood groups like Railroad Island. McVay welcomed additional suggestions from committee members.
  • The next committee meeting is tentatively scheduled for September 2026.

Key Outcomes

  • Motion passed unanimously to eliminate CollegeBound as an audit topic and recommend District Council Reform, Business Licensing, and Street Maintenance & Pothole Repair to the full council for selection of two topics for the 2026–2027 audit cycle.
  • The committee will work with colleagues to gauge interest and will later bring a resolution to the council reflecting the chosen topics.
  • Community outreach will continue with expanded engagement to include more civic and neighborhood organizations.

Meeting Transcript

It would behoove us to get a little bit more information about a lot of our topics. Um, so we spent the last month doing that, and I'm going to in a moment um turn it over to Mr. McVeigh to share more about what we learned and how we did that engagement. Um I believe all of the council members were engaged in different parts of different conversations with different department directors. Um then we also got some feedback from Miss uh Ms. Britt, Dr. Britt, um, as to her thoughts on the different what we heard and what she thinks would be most viable. Um before we dive in, I also want to clarify something for the record. We um misstated um an element of the college bound program at the last meeting, and I just want to be really clear that um the program is not it is automatic enrollment, so student children as soon as they are born are automatically enrolled in the program. Um parents then have the option to add additional dollars to the program or participate in other ways, but it is an automatic enrollment, so I just wanted to make sure that that was clear for the record, and apologies to the department for having had that be misstated last time. Um with that, I'm gonna turn things over to Mr. McVay to tell us more about what we've learned. So um thank you, Madam Chair. I will try to give cliff notes to all this because I realize there's a lot going on in here, and I don't know. I'm really sorry we sent this out in this format, honestly. I mean, it works. Um Ms. Vang was very supportive of how this was all put together, but I realized it's a lot to digest in a very short period of time. And um I will start off with um Council members, thank you for working with myself and with uh Miss Vang to make the interviews with department heads possible and with their program management staff. Uh the general I'm gonna give you thirty-six thousand foot level overview of our interviews, and then we can get into the weeds with each individual department. Um all four departments that are interested in the work that we are doing. Um here at the audit committee, however, there is some hesitation generally to undergo an audit currently, as in like this calendar year. Um that was unfortunately expressed by all four of the departments that we interviewed. Um a lot of it's due to timing. For one thing, there's been uh transition. Um several departments have new um department heads. Uh there's also the concern about available staff resources and triage with us as we can deduct these audits have being said, it's actually not gonna be that significant of a lift for them because we're gonna be doing a lot of the work ourselves. Um, and then there was also a question about data utility, which we can get into a little bit um, we can get into further details on that with some of the departments, especially like with DSI in particular. Um they all generally expressed a preference for a latter half of 2027. That being said, we do have we are in conversation with Ms. Vang last week. There we there are ways to maneuver in terms of how we scope our questions, which we tried to do as you'll see within the um research questions that we proposed. These are just to facilitate conversation, they're not actually the end all and be all at this point in time. But uh circling back the um in terms of the latter half 2027, I actually and Ms. Vang agrees with me as well that we can do audits yet this year for some as long as we frame the research questions in a certain way. Because um, for instance, like with the Office of Financial Empowerment, there were questions that they had with um, and I know Councilmember Johnson, you can speak to this as well with uh equity in terms of their outreach to the public because they admit they agree that there are they need to improve on that, and that there's a lot of people that don't know about that particular program of college bound, and also in a whole range of things with uh DSI as well. Um, we can really get into the weeds on that one because it's such a massive department. That being said, um I don't have much more to add over a general um summary for all departments. Um we can discuss individual departments, and I imagine it'd be a conversationalist you want to go through each um uh research question line by line item. I will add um as a mile one just minor clarification, Adam Chair. We have not heard back yet in full from Dr. Britt regarding uh the uh costing. She gave it basically at this point we have a very rough idea of where we're going to be in terms of cost for these audits, but she was we haven't gotten a specified um dollar amount yet from her, and it's in a lot with timing. It was kind of like a rough estimate. She needed to have more time to look at it. I imagine she's gonna get back to us this week, if not early next week. So it is Tuesday, so fingers crossed. So with that being said, Madam Chair, I defer back to you. All right, thanks so much. Um again, Mr.

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