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Budget Committee Meeting: 2027 Parks and Recreation Budget Presentation - September 2, 2026

Budget CommitteeWednesday, September 2, 2026
BodySt Paul, Minnesota
SessionBudget Committee
DateWednesday, September 2, 2026
StatusFILED
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1:38

Councilmember Bowie.

1:39

Councilmember Coleman?

1:41

Here.

1:41

Councilmember Kim?

1:42

Here.

1:42

Councilmember Joe's?

1:44

Here.

1:44

Councilmember Naker?

1:45

Here.

1:46

Chair Johnson?

1:46

Here.

1:47

Five present to absent being Councilmember Wuy and Vice Chair Yang, who's expected shortly.

1:54

Wonderful.

1:55

I feel like today's just going to be an incredible day for the budget conversation.

2:00

So I'm looking forward to this presentation.

2:02

So I'll be welcoming up Director Rodriguez to talk about the parks and recreations presentation of the 2027 budget for us all today.

2:10

Welcome, Director Rodriguez.

2:12

Thank you.

2:13

Good to see you all, Council members.

2:14

Appreciate the time to go over the 2027 budget presentation for the parks and recreation department.

2:29

Kicking things off, just noting that this is the cover photo, this cover photo features the North End Community Center, which we opened last spring.

2:35

Incredible addition to the North End and Ward 5 and a staple in providing program for our youth and young people.

3:37

So largely based on the feedback that we received, but this slide provides a high-level summary of our proposed general fund changes for 2027.

4:38

So while this proposal includes reductions, it also includes important investments and funding shifts that put us on more solid footing for the future for mission critical work that has either been carrying significant budget deficits or relying on one time funding that is expiring.

5:00

There are issues we've been discussing for some time and consistently and have consistently said 2027 budget is when we need to act, and this proposal addresses many of them.

5:05

So getting into the specifics, obviously it's difficult any time we're talking about reducing uh service hours or closing recreation facilities.

5:13

These aren't changes that I want to make, but in this budget climate, with nearly 90% of our general fund tied to staffing and required building costs like utilities.

5:23

Uh we have to find creative ways to reduce costs if we want to avoid layoffs or wholesale closure of additional facilities beyond Duluth and Case, which we'll talk about later.

5:33

Um simplifying this a little bit, but just noting um I've put my staff through a lot of different exercises uh over the last several months to conduct a comprehensive review of our budgeted activities, and because staffing and building operate operations drive so much of our budget, we took a close look at utilization across all 26 rec centers, including visits by location, day and time, to understand where our peak and off-peak usage occurs.

5:59

So we've shared some of that information with you with council members who have asked, including additional data in the appendix, which we'll share later, uh, but are happy to provide anything further after this presentation.

6:10

Um from that data, we've worked to identify where we could reduce service hours while creating the least disruption possible uh for the residents who rely on these facilities.

6:19

These proposed reductions are largely concentrated during lower attendance periods and primarily affect what we call drop-in use, which we'll get into.

6:27

I'll walk through each of these changes in more detail in the next few slides, but there's one important point about the savings showing here.

6:34

The budgeted amounts don't necessarily capture the full financial impact.

6:38

These reductions will also help address variable and currently unbudgeted staffing costs associated with that, with what has increasingly become the new normal for safely operating our facilities.

6:49

I have a slide later that specifically shows just how much we have unbudgeted for our work.

6:55

And many of our recreation center staffing models were established decades ago, literally when I worked at Grovelin Rec Center.

7:02

Um, when it wasn't uncommon for a 16 or 17-year-old employee to work alone or even be responsible for closing a recreation center after dark.

7:11

That's no longer realistic uh in this current climate or responsible staffing model.

7:16

Public aid public safety incidents at our facilities have increased significantly over the past three to five years, requiring us to change how we staff and operate our buildings.

7:26

Safe operations today increasingly require additional staff coverage, costs that were never contemplated when many of these facility budgets were established decades ago.

7:35

So these changes provide savings and cost avoidance beyond what is explicitly reflected on this slide.

7:41

And I'll dig further into that uh as we get into the presentation here, but um specifically including how the Duluth and case operating budget is reflected or not reflected on this slide.

7:53

Any questions before I dive into the individual line items proposed for reduction?

7:59

Council President Aker.

8:00

Thanks, Madam Chair.

8:01

I I don't know if this is reflected later, but just to summarize, are all of the planned returns or restorations to general fund because these items were previously funded with one-time funding like ARPA dollars?

8:14

Yes, the majority.

8:15

Um there's some nuance there, but we will address that in future.

8:19

Thank you.

8:19

Thank you.

8:23

So jumping into the first service reduction um headline closing non-hub recreation centers on holidays.

8:30

Um just for the purpose of how we define centers on these next few slides.

8:34

Non-hub typically are sites that operate after school, two to nine p.m.

8:38

Uh hub sites mean larger community centers, 9 a.m.

8:41

to 9 p.m.

8:42

hours of operation and along with some weekends.

8:45

Uh currently all recreation center sites are closed on major city holidays, uh, including Memorial Day, Labor Day, Fourth of July, Thanksgiving and Christmas.

8:53

Uh with this proposed change, sites currently operating two to nine would be closed on additional city holidays, including MLK Junior Day, President's Day, Juneteenth, and Christmas Eve, while our larger hub sites, community centers would stay open.

9:08

Um we've actually been contemplating this change for a while, even outside of the established budget process.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Parks and Recreation█████████████████████████████████████████████50%
Budget████████████████████████27%
Youth Programs██████7%
Community Engagement█████6%
Public Safety███3%
Racial Equity██2%
Economic Development██2%
Public Engagement██2%
Public Works1%
Summary of Proceedings

Budget Committee Meeting: 2027 Parks and Recreation Budget Presentation - September 2, 2026

The Budget Committee of the Saint Paul City Council met on September 2, 2026, to discuss the proposed 2027 budget for the Parks and Recreation Department. Director Andy Rodriguez presented the proposal, which included service reductions, new investments, and funding shifts to address a tight budget climate. Council members expressed strong concerns about the disproportionate impact of cuts on the East Side and the modest savings achieved relative to the loss of community services.

Discussion Items

  • 2027 Parks and Recreation Budget Overview: Director Rodriguez outlined the department's proposed general fund changes, noting that nearly 90% of the budget is tied to staffing and building costs. The proposal includes reductions in service hours and facility operations to avoid layoffs or additional full closures.
  • Reduction: Non-Hub Rec Center Holiday Closures: Proposed closing non-hub recreation centers (typically open 2-9 PM) on additional holidays (MLK Day, Presidents' Day, Juneteenth, Christmas Eve) while hub sites remain open. This responds to lower usage and higher staffing costs on holidays. Council Vice President Yang requested a list of centers that would remain open.
  • Reduction: AM Hours at All Hub Sites: All hub sites (e.g., Arlington Hills, Battle Creek, Highland Park) would open at 10 AM instead of 9 AM, affecting morning users of fitness rooms and walking tracks. Oxford would be exempt due to aquatic programming.
  • Reduction: Eliminate AM Hours at Edgecombe Rec Center: The facility would open at 2 PM (school year) or 12:30 PM (summer). The preschool program would not be impacted. Pickleball programming, popular with seniors, would be affected; the department is exploring a cost-recovery model.
  • Reduction: Modified Operations at Highwood Hills Rec Center: Indoor operations would be reduced, saving $75,000 annually by eliminating the lease with the school district. The city would retain $25,000 for ad hoc indoor rentals. The outdoor park amenities (recently improved with $1M in investments) would remain open. Councilmember Johnson strongly opposed this, noting it is the only indoor public meeting space in the neighborhood, serving a large immigrant population, and that the savings are minimal. She called the decision inequitable and short-sighted.
  • Closure: Duluth & Case Rec Center: Proposed closure due to poor building condition (nearly 70 years old, code violations, failing roof, safety concerns) rather than budget savings. The closure would be budget-neutral; staff would be reassigned. A new East Side Community Center is in design (over 50% complete), but funding for construction is not yet secured. Councilmembers called for a solid timeline and commitment from the mayor. Council President Noecker suggested using Common Sense Sales Tax dollars for demolition to avoid holding costs. Council Vice President Yang emphasized the need for a clear plan to avoid a multi-year service gap.
  • Additions: Safety Technology: Investment in camera systems, remote locking, and lockdown technology at recreation centers, partly in response to rising safety incidents.
  • Additions: Utility Increase: Additional funding to bring park building utilities near break-even for the first time in over a decade.
  • Additions: Right Track Restoration to General Fund: Moving existing staff positions ($500,000) from one-time ARPA funding to the general fund to sustain the youth employment program. The program placed 760 youth in internships but had to turn away 2,300 applicants. Councilmember Kim praised this as a win for youth programming.
  • Sprockets: Continued coordination of out-of-school-time programming with general fund support.
  • Unbudgeted Pressures: Director Rodriguez highlighted unbudgeted costs from public safety incidents, storms, graffiti removal, and portable toilets ($200,000) that strain the department.
  • Revenue Initiatives: Fee changes including pay-what-you-can options and non-resident fees for some programs. Golf fund performance has improved.

Key Outcomes

  • No formal votes were taken; the presentation was for discussion and will inform the council's budget deliberations.
  • Council President Noecker proposed exploring philanthropic or corporate support to cover the $188,000 in total cuts (from reduced hours and closures) and urged a cost-benefit analysis of Como Zoo's regional park status to assess potential non-resident fee revenue.
  • Councilmember Johnson and others signaled they would work to restore funding for Highwood Hills Rec Center and secure a clear timeline for the Duluth & Case replacement.
  • The chair directed the department to provide additional data on per-facility spending, code correction notices, and a list of holiday closure-exempt rec centers.
  • Councilmembers committed to ongoing community engagement and legislative advocacy for state and federal funding for capital projects.

Note

No public testimony was heard; the meeting consisted of council members' questions and comments following the director's presentation.

Meeting Transcript

Councilmember Bowie. Councilmember Coleman? Here. Councilmember Kim? Here. Councilmember Joe's? Here. Councilmember Naker? Here. Chair Johnson? Here. Five present to absent being Councilmember Wuy and Vice Chair Yang, who's expected shortly. Wonderful. I feel like today's just going to be an incredible day for the budget conversation. So I'm looking forward to this presentation. So I'll be welcoming up Director Rodriguez to talk about the parks and recreations presentation of the 2027 budget for us all today. Welcome, Director Rodriguez. Thank you. Good to see you all, Council members. Appreciate the time to go over the 2027 budget presentation for the parks and recreation department. Kicking things off, just noting that this is the cover photo, this cover photo features the North End Community Center, which we opened last spring. Incredible addition to the North End and Ward 5 and a staple in providing program for our youth and young people. So largely based on the feedback that we received, but this slide provides a high-level summary of our proposed general fund changes for 2027. So while this proposal includes reductions, it also includes important investments and funding shifts that put us on more solid footing for the future for mission critical work that has either been carrying significant budget deficits or relying on one time funding that is expiring. There are issues we've been discussing for some time and consistently and have consistently said 2027 budget is when we need to act, and this proposal addresses many of them. So getting into the specifics, obviously it's difficult any time we're talking about reducing uh service hours or closing recreation facilities. These aren't changes that I want to make, but in this budget climate, with nearly 90% of our general fund tied to staffing and required building costs like utilities. Uh we have to find creative ways to reduce costs if we want to avoid layoffs or wholesale closure of additional facilities beyond Duluth and Case, which we'll talk about later. Um simplifying this a little bit, but just noting um I've put my staff through a lot of different exercises uh over the last several months to conduct a comprehensive review of our budgeted activities, and because staffing and building operate operations drive so much of our budget, we took a close look at utilization across all 26 rec centers, including visits by location, day and time, to understand where our peak and off-peak usage occurs. So we've shared some of that information with you with council members who have asked, including additional data in the appendix, which we'll share later, uh, but are happy to provide anything further after this presentation. Um from that data, we've worked to identify where we could reduce service hours while creating the least disruption possible uh for the residents who rely on these facilities. These proposed reductions are largely concentrated during lower attendance periods and primarily affect what we call drop-in use, which we'll get into. I'll walk through each of these changes in more detail in the next few slides, but there's one important point about the savings showing here. The budgeted amounts don't necessarily capture the full financial impact. These reductions will also help address variable and currently unbudgeted staffing costs associated with that, with what has increasingly become the new normal for safely operating our facilities. I have a slide later that specifically shows just how much we have unbudgeted for our work. And many of our recreation center staffing models were established decades ago, literally when I worked at Grovelin Rec Center. Um, when it wasn't uncommon for a 16 or 17-year-old employee to work alone or even be responsible for closing a recreation center after dark. That's no longer realistic uh in this current climate or responsible staffing model. Public aid public safety incidents at our facilities have increased significantly over the past three to five years, requiring us to change how we staff and operate our buildings. Safe operations today increasingly require additional staff coverage, costs that were never contemplated when many of these facility budgets were established decades ago. So these changes provide savings and cost avoidance beyond what is explicitly reflected on this slide. And I'll dig further into that uh as we get into the presentation here, but um specifically including how the Duluth and case operating budget is reflected or not reflected on this slide. Any questions before I dive into the individual line items proposed for reduction? Council President Aker. Thanks, Madam Chair. I I don't know if this is reflected later, but just to summarize, are all of the planned returns or restorations to general fund because these items were previously funded with one-time funding like ARPA dollars? Yes, the majority. Um there's some nuance there, but we will address that in future. Thank you.

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