Chair Johnson.

Here.

There are seven present, zero absent.

And item number one for discussion is resolution twenty-six dash four oh five, approving the commercial corridor program guidelines citywide.

All right.

I want to first just uh take some time to just say huge thank you to um all of the planning and economic development staff and and to Kelly and to John and City Attorney's Office for working with us on all of the next items that you will see regarding the mending the uh mending the guidelines for several different programs.

Um I just also want to thank commissioners as well for your work and for your conversation and for the discussion around these guidelines.

I know that we have had many different uh versions in front of us, and we've had different conversations about what to include, what not to include.

Um, and I just want to say I truly appreciate that ability to be able to do that because I do think this that discussion is warranted, especially over programs that truly do impact the entire city.

So um, up until the very last minute, I just want to share that all of the work that um has gone into getting us to this point, I think is gonna be rewarding as we go through a smooth transition.

So um I am going to uh we had a staff report here uh on this.

We've had more robust discussions, so if you will entertain me, I will be able to move motions to the versions that I know um are up for discussion.

So the first we'll start with this one, and we're actually gonna move version two, and I'll entertain a motion from Commissioner Kim to move a version two that that is in front of you as well.

And just for clarity, because I know a lot of things have been discussed.

This is the um this is keeping the index rec score as well, so as all the corridor inclusions.

Um the only change in this one is that it is changing the um Rice Street Alliance, uh Rice Street Alliance host organization to uh the North End neighborhood organization.

And so that is the difference here, but for folks that are watching in the versions and trying to make sure we are moving a version two.

So I'll take that motion from Commissioner Kim.

Any discussion.

Commissioner Yang.

Thank you, Chair Johnson.

I uh first want to share that I am supportive of V2 version two, and I do echo everything that you shared um from gratitude to the staff to commissioners at the table here, um, to our city attorneys for helping out with language as well.

You all had done a really incredible job.

And just wanted to uplift that.

Um, the the information from our staff was really helpful.

I mean, I know you all mentioned that the uses for the vitality fund are different from the commercial corridor program.

So it's really helpful just getting that distinguished and with that.

I I am very comfortable with this version here.

I also just really want to thank the council members who at the table here have really uplifted questions about how we can use our dollars here more equitably.

That is really important to do.

And I remember seeing here at the table many times that it's so important for us to always start off the questions or start off the process and really conversations with equity rooted at it.

That way, when it, you know, when we get so far along in developing maybe like a program or figuring out what funding is used for, um, we don't have to figure out like where how can we press the reset button or try to like you know um sort of like I would say retrofit things, and so I would say that because this program we've come so far in having conversations um about how we want to utilize it and wanted to spread it across the city.

Um, I'm supportive of it and just always want to welcome more conversations for us to figure out how we can continue using these dollars more equitably.

Thank you, Commissioner Yang.

Any further discussion on the proposed amendment.

All right, I will just simply share with you all that in this discussion we had a lot of matitude about where we can make the best use of our of our dollars.

And Commissioner Yang, I appreciate uh your comments as well.

And I think just the conversation around whether or not to invest in um downtown is one that I don't think is the conversation here.

I know that we've used words like include downtown or exclude downtown, and I think that there are multiple actions that'll be taken today that actually shows that we do prioritize the downtown corridor.

Um, in this case, down co the downtown corridor remained.

Um, and I think in this version it's it's codified that way to invest across the city.

I will share that I is an interest of ours to just continue to make sure that we can add not only to this fund but to the impact that it holds.

You know, it's it's hard when you're having include or exclusion conversations citywide because everywhere in the city needs the investment right now, and especially around our businesses and especially around our corridors.

There isn't a couple corridor listed that most likely can't talk about the impact that they've had, especially over the last several months, but for sure for years now.

This is the reason why we ultimately put this program in place in the first place and why this body was really vocal in 2024 to get in the 2025 budget cycle.

And so it's also the reason we added an additional 400,000 back to the investment for 2026 this year.

And so I don't think it's ever a debate about whether or not we're including uh area of our city that's so vital to the work that we do, but I do think that this version um can accomplish the will of the of the body, and that's what I'm most interested in as the chair.

Commissioner Baker.

Thanks, Chair.

That was a perfect mic drop.

So I'm really sorry to speak after it.

Um, but just wanted to say I agree, I appreciate the thoughtfulness we put into this, and also just to back up for a second and recognize that's I know we've done at this table before that while we've been talking about the specifics of the guidelines here for the last few weeks.

The the big picture, the headline is that we are um for a second year in a row, getting 1.4 million dollars out the door to our commercial corridor citywide, and it's a program that um we we tested last year.

We we tried, and it was wildly successful in terms of those dollars moving out quickly and getting used for all kinds of wonderful things throughout our city.

So um, I'm just really proud of us for doing it last year, committing to continue it this year, and I'm excited to see all the great stuff we're gonna see this year.

Thank you.

And so we'll do the version, we'll do the motion to move a version two with those changes, and the resolution will be adopted as amended.

Uh, all those in favor.

I agree.

All opposed.

Seven in favor, zero opposed.

The resolution is adopted as amended.

Item number two is resolution RES 26-407.

Resolution amending the down payment assistance program guidelines citywide.

Okay, once again, um very thankful for the robust conversation we had around this.

If you recall last the last time we had this conversation was actually two weeks ago.

Um, and we talked a bit about uh renter inclusion and language around displacements and ways to do that.

And I just want to say thank you to the housing team, thank you to Rachel, thank you to uh director Antagna and uh City Attorney's Office, council uh Commissioner Bowie and Commissioner Naker.

Um, for really just the robust conversation around this.

Uh, again, we will take a I'll entertain a motion from Commissioner Bowie to uh move version two, uh, any discussion.

Commissioner Bowie.

Thank you, Chair Johnson.

I just want to also just echo um the gratefulness for the collaboration.

And just also want to just uh um highlight the advocacy that came from um community members who were direct descendants of Rondo and who have the lived experience and brought to the forefront um how um our existing program also uh although in the spirit of um transparency and wanting to um right the harms and the wrongdoings, we want to just make sure everyone's included.

So I think this is a really instrumental change um to actually include um renters and stick to our values and making sure that what our pro how our programs are designed meets the moment and also is including everyone who's been impacted.

So thank you so much.

And you all should have the version in front of you.

It was what I handed to you as well, but it is on Legislatar and it's attached in that regard.

Director McMahon, is there anything further that you want to say about the version before we move to a final vote?

I'll note that you've received information previously from the department about it, that noticed some things about the process that it would take, et cetera, and timeline shifting, and that we have folks here to answer questions if you have any.

Thank you, Director McMahon.

And and I just wanted to uh I wanted to invite and not to put you on the spot, but Director Antagna or Rachel, I'd love to just have you quickly um talk about the three additional urban renewal project add-ons um for just briefly about like what that actually entails from the Western Reconstruction Area, Central Village and the College of St.

Paul, just like why we the thought around including the urban renewal thank you, Chair Johnson.

Um, and I might be staring at Christine over here, who is a vital part of our uh research team.

Uh the reason that these three specific sites were chosen in particular is because of research that went into them prior to um prior to this question being asked of like what might be some urban renewal sites to be focused on.

So we had data about them already.

So that uh I know the latest version of your guidelines do have them mapped out as well, so you can see the geographic placement.

Thank you.

And I just want to say that we really appreciate that level of detail.

I appreciated the versions, the graphics, the um, you know, someone who's like a visual uh learner, but also like someone who likes to visualize what that actually entails, and also because it's such a significant part of our city.

Um, you know, I am also heavily invested in the east side when it comes to just really knowing the neighborhoods, and so that graphic and just kind of the rationale behind it was really helpful to understand.

So thank you.

Uh any other discussion.

And Commissioner Bowie.

Thank you, Chair Johnson.

I do want to reiterate to uh director McMahon's comments, particularly around the process.

Um, I fully anticipate to have a follow-up meeting and um include Rondo Community Land Trust and who is the uh organization that does the verification mechanism.

I just want to be really clear that we um the the city is not making those um approvals in terms of the historical accuracy around whether someone was displaced on um Rondo Avenue and also with this guideline change, we're going to include other um sites that have been impacted um by urban renewal.

I also want to highlight one of the elders that we have met before, um, elder Frank White, who's a known historian.

Um, he was instrumental in getting the permanent um change for the Rondo Avenue Street.

He also was here providing some insight to council around the historical accuracy, around um where Rondo actually um existed prior to the construction of 94.

So he actually was someone who lived on 409 St.

Anthony, which is South Um St.

Anthony that was ran parallel with Rondo Avenue.

So because of his advocacy and his input now, St.

Anthony is also going to be an avenue that's included in this inheritance fund.

Um and and that is really, like I said, instrumental because we want to just make sure that when we're talking about the displacement of historic rondo, we're talking about the area, not just only that street that had um the homes and the businesses there.

Thank you.

And um, I'm just kind of looking as well to Director McMahon, is there anything that you want that you'll need to you need to share as a follow-up or I would actually maybe turn to our housing staff about the inclusion of St.

Anthony.

I apologize.

I might need just one minute to like look at the map again and orient myself with that.

Okay.

Yeah, I think that it might just be worth the follow-up for that.

I Commissioner Bowie, I do want to actually ensure that that is um that we have the latest information when it comes to that.

I know for today with the motion that is moved, um, especially with the the pieces that are at codified here.

I do think it represents some of the renter-based uh priorities that you had.

And so moving forward with that, and then we will uh we'll make sure that we get that follow-up and that follow-up communication, and let's just clarify those things before we move forward.

Thank you, Rachel.

I appreciate it.

Yeah.

Commissioner Naker.

Thanks, Chair.

I uh I also want to thank uh staff, and I also want to thank Council Member Bowie, Commissioner Bowie, for your leadership on this because I know that um the issue of including renters was something that you would not lose sight of and um something that's important to both of our communities, and I'm grateful that we've been able to work together, but that you in particular have continued to name it um and that we're getting it in the the uh amendment that you're proposing today.

Um I want to note that I I don't want the perfect to be the enemy of the good.

I want to move forward with this so that we can get the down payment assistance program open, get those dollars out the door.

Um, but I want to uh state for the record that we're not totally done, at least with the concerns that I've raised related to the timing of um the Westside Flats displacement.

Staff has um a proposal for how to incorporate that second wave of displacement.

That's not reflected in these guidelines today.

Um, but what I'm hoping is that staff when they come back in mid-May to talk to us about the plan for accommodating renters can also, if not before, um introduce or let us know the language that they would support that would expand the time frame on the west side as well.

So not doing that today, but don't want to lose sight of that either.

Understand.

Yeah, I think that one of the things that we all are in alignment on is just that, yeah, to your point.

You know, we're we're we're not striving necessarily today for that for it for perfection for everything to be incorporated, but we are making a step forward to I think do some of the language around including inclusion of renters that have been discussed now for for months under your leadership, Commissioner Bowie.

So thank you for for that and those conversations.

Um I will just call for a vote in that regard and not seeing any further hands, all of those in favor.

Aye.

All opposed.

Seven in favor, zero opposed.

Resolution is adopted as amended.

Item number three, resolution 26-409.

Resolution approving updated guidelines for the HRA business assistance fund.

And this one doesn't have a version two.

The edits that were made from our previous discussion were accepted, and they're in the guidelines for the approval as is.

And I'll take a motion uh from Commissioner Naker to approve any discussion.

Commissioner Naker.

Thanks so much, Madam Chair.

Uh, really excited that we are adopting these guidelines today.

Again, sort of high level $5 million investment in downtown St.

Paul, three million for conversions of underutilized office space, two million for activating um retail and specifically vacant storefronts.

Um, and I also agree with you, Chair.

I'm I'm really grateful that we spent the time to get the guidelines right because what we want to make sure is that the moment that we approve something at this table, it is ready to go.

And uh, I think the guidelines um reflect the the values that we all hold here and um get this really um ready for ready for action as soon as we um say yes today.

So thanks to all my colleagues for your support.

Absolutely, Commissioner, and I'm super excited about this investment, and I know that this is a really big deal, and people are watching all across the city because right now is the time to be um investing and built not only building our tax base but investing in our downtown in order to do so.

Um, you know, it struck me as just it was really mind-boggling to see at the Ramsey County um presentation that just shared about 49% of our downtown properties being exempt and how that's a unique situation to our county and to our city, but like truly something that is something that I walked away being just like wow, we really need to make sure that we're building the taxable base that we have downtown with with the half that we have.

And so um I see Joe Spencer in the audience, so thank you so much for your continued partnership and advocacy um as well.

And you know, it's gonna be all hands on deck.

And so this is the first step of many, and I'm sure there'll be opportunities to learn from uh this first initial year of investment.

Um, but as we're continuing to build, I I welcome you know of the future discussions, especially as we head into 2027 and beyond on how to continue to that investment.

So appreciate your leadership as well when working with staff and appreciate um director Lloyd and the planning and academic development team as well uh that have been working on uh just how our city is gonna respond to the now.

So seeing no other hands going once, going twice.

Wonderful.

All those in favor.

I all opposed.

Seven in favor, zero opposed.

The resolution was adopted.

Item number four is a staff report SR26-54, staff report on authorization of CDBG loan agreement by in between the city of St.

Paul and JRDM Investments LLC for 202 Caesar Chava Street District 3 Ward 2.

Wonderful.

So now that we've done the the guideline changes, I'll be able to hand this over to Director Ringman and uh welcome Mr.

Wolf.

Chair Commissioners, this is an item that Nick Wolf will be able to give you information on today in the staff report, and you will be voting on on your next HRA meeting for consideration.

Welcome, Mr.

Wolf.

Thank you.

Good afternoon, Commissioners.

Nick Wolf, uh project manager and PED.

Okay.

So again, we're here uh seeking authorization to enter into this $70,000 CDBG loan agreement for the acquisition of 202 Cesar Shafts.

Um you see some uh four points there and some some background uh regarding the project.

Uh this particular uh property was acquired from the appointed receiver that was assigned uh after the prior business Papa Legba, uh which you can see pictured above closed in the summer of 20 uh 25, 2025.

Uh I was working with Judy Lopez on a star grant uh for La Costa when she saw the space uh come uh up for sale and set up a meeting asking how we could be supportive of her expanding her business operations on the west side.

Uh I then uh referred her directly to a loan officer at Latino Economic Development Center.

Um this is a little background uh on the business um itself.

Um per uh her business plan.

Uh Law of Fasina's mission is to provide an inviting casual atmosphere for working class individuals, late shift employees and neighbors seeking a fun and authentic bar experience.

Uh and again, um I think with La Costa being located just two doors down, um, we'll allow both establishments to complement uh one another while also serving slightly different audiences.

Okay, here's the budget.

You can see a uh sources and uses table.

Um Judy uh contributed 25,000 to the project and is requesting an additional 70,000 here and funding to assist with the building uh with the purchase price of the building, which was 275,000.

The uh project will create and maintain three full-time jobs uh through year five, which is consistent with uh the HUD CDBG uh requirements.

Uh the loan itself, um, there's a little bit on the structure there.

Um monthly interest-only payments uh for the first year uh will begin in May.

Uh this will ensure that Lao Fasina is well capitalized in its first year and enable and able to cover all of the startup expenses.

Full PI principal and interest monthly payments will begin in May of 2027, and cash flow uh is projected to be sufficient for these annual loan payments.

We'll be back uh next week.

Um, as Dr.

McMahon mentioned.

And that's about it.

Commissioner Naker.

Thanks so much, Madam Chair, and thanks, Mr.

Wolf.

Um, I very excited to see a new uh vibrant use go into the space, but I do want to ask um, it was really discouraging when Papa Legba closed.

That was obviously also a project that we had um helped capitalize here at the HRA, and I don't think it was open for a full two years, maybe a little bit over, but um very short-lived.

And so I guess I'm just wondering if you can speak to um not necessarily the due diligence that we do before we decide on financing in general, but in particular when we've had um a business that we have tried to support in this exact location that has not been successful, what kinds of additional scrutiny are we putting on?

What kind of additional conditions are we factoring in before we decide to refinance another business in the in the same spot?

Yeah, I I too was quite saddened to see Papa Legba close.

Um, I I don't think it's uh Commissioner Naker.

I I don't think the space itself and its location necessarily um you know uh contributed you know per se to uh it ceasing operations.

Um I I think conceptually Papa Legba and again I I didn't work on that deal and I'm I'm I I've been there a number of times, but I'm not super familiar with it.

Um, I think the concepts are are quite different.

Um I I think from a market um audience uh uh customer uh customer-based perspective.

I I just don't know candidly, very off the cuff speaking, if if if maybe it was the best fit in that specific location, where you know, in this case, um, which which again I I think is quite unfortunate.

I thought it was a really cool place and had some great live entertainment and um uh the the decor, all of it.

Um this uh you know, um being specifically built as a um as Judy, you know, directly describes it, a Mexican dive bar.

I I think um I know prior to Papua Legba, there was a similar um bar up that operated in that space.

Um and I and I think you know, her success at La Costa, um the you know, the employee base she has, the customer base she has.

Um, I again I don't think that uh La Officina will be competing with Lacosta.

I think it'll be kind of a complimentary um uh customer base.

Um as far as the uh scrutiny um with um some of the financing.

I mean, you know, we did take this through resource committee uh through credit committee.

Um, you know, her uh projections, um I I think given especially um in year one that it's gonna be um interest only.

I I think we're pretty strong, and and CDBG uh in this case made a lot of sense uh given that um she was purchasing the building and she was going to be doing these three hires um for these particular roles kind of right upon opening.

Um and you know, if I'm going back to the the table, I think oftentimes just based on experience.

I we see a lot of these um bars and restaurants close because they're not well capitalized.

And I think this funding, you know, with the additional, you know, 62,000 in working capital, including payroll and operating.

Um I I think will help her start on the right foot.

Um does that answer your question?

Yeah, I appreciate it.

Okay.

Thank you, Commissioner, and thank you, uh Manager Wolf for that.

Uh I think overall explanation as well.

Uh it helps paint the picture for what we're trying to accomplish here and the difference between the two projects.

Any other questions from any other commissioners?

Well, thank you.

This will come forward, but Bob, um this will come forward next week.

Thank you.

Yeah, thank you, Chair.

Item number five, it's staff report 26-5-1 staff report on the authorization to designate Ruder Walton Development LLC as a tentative developer of the Fox Lot District 3 Ward 2.

Wonderful.

Um, I'll hand it over to Director McMahon and uh also welcome Ms.

Chong as well.

Thank you, Chair Commissioners.

This is another one they'll be receiving the information on today, and we'll be acting on next week.

It's one um that I think's exciting in terms of an HRAM property because it's one that folks have been hoping that the surrounding properties can move and piece it together, and so it feels like we're we're at that moment, which is great.

So I'll turn it over to Hannah Tom.

Wonderful, thank you.

Hello, Hannah.

Thank you.

Um good afternoon, Chair Johnson, Commissioners.

My name's Hannah Trump.

I've been here before.

Um I'm project manager and PED, and today I'm here to present a tentative developer for two parcels of HRA own land.

So developer Reuters Walton, and they're seeking a tentative developer status to build 300 units of affordable housing on bacon HRA own land located at approximately 137 to 149 Robert Street South in District 3 War 2.

And this land is also known as the Fox Lot.

So the Fox Lot is located right across the river along Robert Street South, and it's located across from another HRA supported um development called the Seul Apartments.

The lot is compromised of two is comprised of two parcels.

That is um if equal that equals approximately one acre of land.

And these parcels housed two buildings and was owned by Fox Chemicals.

So Fox Chemicals use the site for mixing and packaging windshield wiper fluid, gasoline, anthropes, and other chemicals.

They also leased the buildings to other companies to conduct mixing and packaging various household goods and garden chemicals.

The HRA purchased the site in 1994 and demolished the two buildings in June of 1997 due to their deteriorating conditions.

So a quick overview about the developer.

Reuters Walton Development is a twin cities-based real estate development firm.

They specialize in multifamily housing, student housing, commercial properties.

They've completed over 5,000 units in the last 20 years within 50 communities, including the Morrow on University Avenue, and that brought in 243 units of affordable housing to St.

Paul.

So Reuter Walton is proposing to combine the Fox lot with adjacent property to construct the Livingston.

Construction of construction will include two buildings with 150 units each.

The buildings will be five stories with surface and underground parking.

The total square footage of the development will be 534,000 square feet.

And this includes 15,000 square feet of green space.

The unit mix will be 81 two bedrooms, 157 three bedrooms, and 64, 62 four-bedrooms.

10% of the units, including some larger units, will be affordable at 30% of area median income.

The rest will be affordable at 60% of AMI.

And the estimated total total development cost is 117 million.

So you can see here this is an aerial view of all the parcels that are combined to make the livingston.

The Fox Law is a two on the corner here that's bounded by Fairfield Avenue and Robert Street South.

The other parcels are owned by another entity that Reuter Walton has entered into a purchase agreement with.

So again, this request is to designate Reuters Walton as a tentative developer of the Fox Lots for a period of 24 months to complete the due diligence needed to begin development.

So due diligence will include, but not limited to the following benchmarks, the following benchmarks.

So this request will be back back before the HRA for a vote next week.

And I'd also like to acknowledge that Paul Keenan from Reuter Walton is here as well, and we're happy to answer any questions that you may have.

Thank you, Ms.

Strong.

Commissioner Naker.

Thanks, Madam Chair.

Thanks so much much, Ms.

Chong, for all of your work on this.

I'm really excited to see this project moving forward.

This is a great example of what happens when we are able to take control of property that needed a new use and then combine that with land that is finally for sale that had been set on for quite a long time on the Westside Flats, and now do this redevelopment that will really bring affordable housing for families and the large size of those units is really impressive.

We don't see that often, that number of three bedrooms, as well as the outside green space.

I think sometimes you know, there's there's sort of a nod at play space for young people, but it's really not sufficient, whereas in this case there really is a robust um play architecture being planned.

I think that's great.

Um, I will say, and the uh developers have heard this from me that I think we need to also look at design when we're doing um affordable buildings just because they're affordable doesn't mean they shouldn't be beautiful.

And um, we have one example already on Robert Street of kind of a very warehouse-y feel of a building, um not very articulated, very uniform.

I think it's gonna be important for this building in to do better at that kind of um the way that the that the building flows along the street and doesn't give that kind of boxy feel.

So obviously that has to be balanced with costs, and um the most important thing is providing this volume of housing, but I just want to say for the record that I don't think the the picture that we're looking at here is 100% where we should end up.

Um but very excited to see this moving forward, and I'm certainly in support.

I appreciate those remarks, uh, Commissioner Naker, and I completely agree with just ensuring that um you know folks should not be able to just walk down the street and tell the difference between affordable housing units and non-affordable housing units, and so appreciate that as well.

Ms.

Chong, I heard you say that the developer uh applicant is here, and so I just at this time would um welcome up uh Reuter Walton development LLC and uh just as they're bringing it up, I bring it up to the podium.

I really would appreciate just hearing a little bit more about um the the 60% AMI, 30% AMI breakdown, and just kind of what uh prompted the 300 units and uh anything else that you care to share with us.

Yeah, thank you.

Um so I'm Paul Keenan, Vice President developer with Writer Walton.

Um and I will say that we do have a ways to go on design.

I think this is more of a massing and concept, and we do uh we recognize that we've got some work to do with both um you all and Wisco on finding uh design that works for everybody.

Um the the affordability mix is is a function of trying to balance where the highest needs are and also making a project financially feasible.

So we are focusing this project on two, three, and four bedrooms because that's where we see the highest need as a developer.

Um and what we see for example at our moral project, and so um, and then also trying to find a way to target like the deeper um uh AMIs.

And so we've set aside 10% at 30% AMI and to sort of try to balance the project out.

We've set the rest at 60% AMI to make it sure that it's something that can get built.

Thank you, Paula.

And um, would you care to just share a little bit with our body on like your timeline for this development?

Sure.

I think it's gonna be I think we've got a lot of work to do on the site.

It's a complicated site.

Um the the site owned by the private developer as well as I think the Fox Lots have um some legacy railroad easements, for example, that go back to the early 1900s, where we've got to kind of track down who who still owns those easements and and get them to release them.

Um as you all know, there's some environmental considerations on the site too.

So I think we're really realistically 12 months away from breaking ground on this project.

Um kind of best case.

I will share with you that I um, you know, one of the things that we understand a little bit here at the HRA is complex sites, and we've had um, you know, commissioners do a pretty good job of being able to be in communication with um with developers and with folks that are when are working to move that forward, especially when there's hundreds of units of affordable housing there.

And so I would just encourage you know continued communication uh with Commissioner Naker and with the HRE overall and on how it's you know how it goes if it's awarded next week.

I you know, I think one of the biggest things is just that communication piece doesn't have to be formal in this way, and it can definitely be just you know periodic updates and kind of any challenges that come up or anything that you know that ultimately goes well.

You know, it doesn't always have to be bad news, it doesn't have to always be urgent, and it definitely can just be um more informational as well.

And so just would welcome that communication.

Do you want to thank you for taking the time to come out today as well on a Wednesday midday?

Um I'm sure there were some uh some planning that took place to get you here.

So I appreciate you for being here today.

No problem.

I'm a St.

Paul resident, so happy to be here.

Yes, and still during the work day, but you know, come on down.

I'm glad that means that we'll be able to reach out to you at any time, Mr.

St.

Paul resident.

Any questions for Paul while he's here from anyone else?

All right, thank you so much, and thank you, Miss Chong.

All right, so that brings us to the end of our meeting.

I'd say that went pretty well with all the items that we have, something that we will continue to do moving forward, and just for viewers that are watching at home as well.

We will be working to adjust the future of meetings that we have to an hour long, um, and being around you know, ending at least uh not surpassing 3 p.m.

And so that is uh you know something we'll be working towards.

But today we did a pretty good job.

It's 2 43.

And with that, we are adjourned.