Like to call this planning zoning meeting uh uh together in order uh this Thursday, November sixth, two thousand twenty-five.

Uh we Renee, could we please have roll call?

Commissioner Perry?

Here.

Commissioner Holland.

He has an excused absence.

Commissioner Leonard.

Here.

Chair Chapman.

Here.

Vice Chair Spota?

Here.

Commissioner Bash.

Here.

We have a quorum.

Okay, thank you very much.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

And to the Republic for what you stand.

One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you.

Nothing on that, Chair, uh, commissioners, but uh just uh to inform you as it stands right now.

We have nothing for November twentieth scheduled meeting, so we'll be canceling that meeting.

Okay, thank you.

No, Chair Chapman.

Okay, thank you.

Then we'll move on to our consent section.

Any discussion.

I'll motion to approve the October sixteenth, twenty twenty-five planning and zoning commissions as dance.

Second.

Please vote.

I was absent.

You still got a vote.

Okay, we're good.

Motion passes with four votes in favor.

Item number two.

Consideration and action pertaining to the adoption of the 2024 international building and fire codes, including local amendments.

Okay, we have Mindy as our presenter.

Thank you.

Okay, good evening, Chair and Commissioners.

So the city's transition to the 2024 International Codes represents an important step in maintaining safe, consistent, and high quality development in surprise.

In June, we began presenting the updates to both city council and the planning zoning commission, where we discussed staff's efforts to review the existing codes, identify local needs, conduct public outreach, and we discussed our adoption process.

At those meetings, we outlined how international codes are developed nationally and why local amendments are necessary to align with Arizona state law, reflect regional best practices, and meet the specific needs of surprise.

As staff interacted with homeowners, builders, and design professionals uh through the course of daily work, we documented reoccurring um recurring questions and concerns, many of which shaped our initial draft and um uh shaped our initial draft amendments before the formal public comment period even began.

Once the draft was published, we continued outreach through most multiple channels, posting the documents on the city website, issuing a press release, and social media um announcements, and we hosted two public meetings, one here at Surprise City Hall and one at Asante Library on September 3rd.

No opposition was received through the process.

So public inj engagement enforced community confidence in this process.

Um these quotes captured the appreciation we heard for transparency and responsiveness through the code update effort.

Uh stakeholders acknowledge the city's collaborative approach and transparent process.

So tonight, staff's recommendation is for planning and zoning commission to recommend approval of the proposed 2024 international codes and local amendments to city council.

This effort reflects both national best practices and local needs positioning surprise for a smooth transition to the 2024 codes.

And we are grateful for the collaboration across departments, the engagement from our community, and for your consideration tonight.

Um and Carl Keith and I are available uh for any questions or comments.

Thank you.

Uh this uh requires a public hearing, so we'll open the public hearing.

Renee, do we have anyone that would like to speak or is written to us?

No, Chair Chapman.

Okay, thank you.

And we'll close the public hearing.

And uh commissioners, anybody who would like to ask a question.

I'll just say I know how much uh fun dealing with the uh national codes can be.

So I appreciate you guys and making sure we're in line with what needs to happen.

I know it's a thankless process, but we'll we'll give you some extra thanks.

So thank you for making sure we're not in trouble and and keeping us all safe.

We definitely appreciate you.

Thank you.

Yeah, I I have one question, and just to step on support his comments.

Thank you, gentlemen, for this is very oh taxing type of stuff to read and to keep track of, and I know that's a heck of a job you have to do to keep up.

I have a question about uh there was a comment in there from uh I guess his name was it, Christopher Lore from the Association of Plumbing and Mechanics officials.

Anyway, about uh water demand calculator.

Is that something that's been considered or looked at?

Uh I'd just like to get kind of an update.

Yes, um Chair.

Uh the water demand calculator, the water conservation is built into the codes naturally.

But the water demand calculator now they have plumbing fixtures that are even more efficient than uh what's required by code.

So if you use the more the more efficient fixtures in your building, you can use the the calculations from those in the water demand calculator and theoretically reduce the uh uh size of the water piping distribution piping for your building, and then um end up with a cost savings by using smaller piping because you're using less water.

So it's built into the code, but the water demand calculator is a way that you can use the more efficient fixtures and calculate the water distribution pipe sizing according to that water demand calculator.

So it and it's an option, we're we're allowing it as an option, it's not a mandate to use that.

All right, thank you for that.

Uh any other questions, yes.

Commissioner Thank you.

Uh thank you, Chair.

This may be a bit out of the scope of tonight's meeting, but I'm wondering what happens if we adopt, and we are, of course, going to adopt this international code.

And at the same time, at a federal level, uh, if some of the regulations, such as some energy saving regulations were put in by a prior administration, and then a present administration tries to change them.

How does that affect code or uh or does it not?

Uh Chair and Commissioner Perry, uh that's a that's a good question.

The we are adopting the International Energy Conservation Code.

So if there were that we would be bound by that code, if there were changes that occurred, we would still be following that International Energy Conservation Code.

If those codes eventually got updated into the next cycle or two cycles, then we would eventually adopt that.

But currently we would stick with the International Energy Conservation Code.

So an example, uh, and I lived in California before I came to Arizona, and uh California uh had a number of boards that they had in place, which uh which enacted right regulations that weren't uh necessarily adopted by any international code.

Do state or federal regulations have priority over an international code?

For for example, whether it happens or not, I I've I've heard our existing president talk about how shower head should be changed because he wants to have uh plenty of water when he uh when he takes a shower and washes his beautiful head of hair.

Uh if the regulations that were in place that restrict the number of gallons per whatever minute that come out, would that change an international code and would we have to uh adopt local codes in place, or would the international code uh have precedence?

Uh Chair, Commissioner Perry, that's a really great question.

We do have, we are impacted by state law and federal law.

We don't necessarily have to adopt it, we have to comply with it.

So we don't necessarily have to adopt it into our code, but we are bound to comply with state and federal if they are exceeding what our code minimum is established by our adoption.

Okay, yeah.

I'm sorry to I don't want to get this off track.

And just as I was looking through this, I was thinking, what if some regulations that are uh that have been in place are relaxed uh like we're seeing in the auto industry?

Um how does this uh impact us at a local level?

But it sounds to me like it still will be the if if it's a federal change that that would take priority over an international code.

If it was more if it was more restrictive, if it was yes, if it's supposed it was more permittive.

That's a great question, and then we would still be bound by our adopted code and we would follow the code that we adopted.

Okay, and okay, thank you.

Appreciate it.

Yep, no problem.

Commissioners, any other commissioners?

Comments?

Second.

Do we have a motion and a second?

Could you please vote?

Motion passes with five votes in favor.

Thank you.

Thank you, all of you for great job.

Well done.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Our next uh any other business or anything for any future agenda items.

Seeing none, then we'll move on to adjournment.

We have a motion to adjourn.

Move to adjourn.

Second.

Moon seconded.

Please give us a voice out.

Those in favor, please say yes.

Yes.

All right.

Those no.

We are adjourned.

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Um okay.

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