Review.

Today is Wednesday, February eighteenth, and uh it's just after five PM.

And are live on YouTube.

And you can obviously view them live and or at a later date.

Two oh seven parish lane.

Good morning.

You're in public.

Uh you yes, you definitely get a choice.

Uh if you are gonna it'd be good for to allow us just to uh uh swear you in for lack of a better word, but uh uh and then you'll be set if you do want to say something.

Okay, but you certainly don't have to.

Um it sounds like you're represented by Mr.

Franklin.

Okay.

Uh all right.

So whenever uh uh both of you are ready, if you can raise your right hands and if you will uh raise yours as well.

Okay, state your name for the record.

Okay, like uh Michael Franklin and Gallagher.

Okay.

Do you affirm to tell the truth and give accurate information to the best of your ability?

I do.

I do.

Okay, very good.

Uh all right, so let me just read in this uh uh this property here.

I just want to confirm some assessment information, and then I'll turn it over to you.

Okay, so is this a single family?

It is okay.

Single family uh current tentative assessed value ninety-two thousand dollars with a land value of sixteen thousand nine hundred uh okay.

Uh that would be an equitable market value of based on the assessment of a hundred and seventy-six thousand nine twenty-three uh petitioner believes the fair market value is a hundred and fifty thousand, uh, and that would be an assessed value of seventy-eight thousand dollars.

Um just check.

Okay, and then let me just see if I can pick anything out of the application.

Okay, and then you the your Tracy Politis.

Yes, I'm divorced.

I turned in my divorce department.

Yeah, okay, all right, no problem.

I just I assumed you were the same person, of course.

Uh so no worries.

Uh okay.

Uh Mr.

Franklin, um I'll turn it over to you.

Tracy bought this house in 2003 for sixty-four thousand dollars.

Okay, we see that.

There's been no improvements, no renovations.

Okay.

Um that is that is the house.

The top picture is this house.

Um first contest that um the uh condition or the grade says average for the New York State Assessors Manual.

It's economy.

I think you can look at it.

It's economy grade.

So they have the grade is classified.

Um what is the grade?

It's uh average.

An average.

Okay.

It's it's clearly an economy grade uh house per the New York State Assessors Manual.

Uh I didn't bring a copy of the New York State Assessors Manual, it's obviously online.

Every time I bring it, nobody reads it anyway.

So trust me, it's misclassified.

What are what are some of the characteristics of economy?

Um just basic grade construction as opposed to you know more elaborate kitchen, more elaborate bathrooms.

It's it's just basic basic construction.

Um it's not updated, I think he's saying no, no, we're we're talking about the construction grade at the moment.

Okay.

Um but anyway, I mean you just uh common sense you look at the picture, it's the economy grade.

Not a big deal as far as my argument is concerned, but it is misclassified.

Um, you know, I mean the assessment was done in 1996, so it's not surprising that the inventory is uh uh but the thing is the inventory hasn't changed since 1996, quite quite literally.

Um so the gist of the argument is this is the smallest house on the block, but it's the highest assessed block on the house on the block.

And like I said, she paid 64 for it in 2023.

Since then she's done a roof.

That's it.

Uh no improvements, no renovations.

Do you have any pictures of the inside?

Uh I do not have pictures of the inside.

I do not provide pictures of the inside.

Um I I know there's been a bone of contention with us.

You think that I'm unqualified and unprepared because I don't go in people's houses.

I assess properties based in the same manner that the assessed us from the street because I don't want to invade their privacy, and it becomes a security issue because if I submit that to you, it becomes public record, and the interior of her house is not public record.

It's it's not of the people's business.

Okay.

So if we thought that the assessor should take a walk through just to confirm the uh non-updated condition, it'd be a cold day in hell if you for me to get in my house, but that's up to her.

I advise her against it because that creates an unequal situation or or a uh uh a selective assessment because you do we do that.

We do do well.

Did you go in each of these cops houses?

No, but we go through uh houses that I actually have personally when when we request the people let us.

Because this isn't Russia for God's sake.

You know, the government's cost accounting issues, those circumstances.

You didn't bring any pictures, so we just want to confirm possibly that it is in the condition that you say it is.

Well, I'm not fine, I I'm not I'm not challenging the condition.

I'm challenging the grade.

Fine.

She said that it is not updated as far as the condition is concerned.

So we may want to confirm that on a walkthrough.

Okay, but no, neither here nor there.

I would advise her to never let you in any class houses.

That's fine.

Um, and um, and uh if you if you hold that against them, we'll end up end up in court every time.

We won't hold it against the uh petitioner.

We just we just won't know for sure you do it from the how unupdated the property.

It's just inappropriate, you know.

But uh, but anyway, and and speaking of which, I think How do you think an appraiser does an appraisal?

Because the property owner gives them permission to go in the house.

Okay, and and the bank in the bank appraisal is done for the bank, and for and it's done for um well it's done for the generally for the bank, but for the bank.

So it says right in the appraiser who it's only the appraiser can use it, owns it.

Only the bank owns it.

It's not for assessment purposes.

Sure.

That's fine.

I'm just saying that how does the appraiser.

But if the property owner wants to submit it for their own purposes, they could.

Yes, but I'm not looking for the appraisal.

Uh what I'm saying is the appraiser goes into the property to do an appraisal.

But it's a private thing between the bank and the person because the bank has a financial interest in it.

So the so the people don't let them in the house in that instance, they don't get the money for the mortgage.

Okay, but this is a government issue.

All right.

Um, but but also I foiled the capital sales report and capital assessment report and the cost valuation report for this property and for each of these capables.

I would have liked to have had their capital sales report so that we could talk about the same data.

I talked downstairs to the assessor, and they said that they gave the uh the law department the data three weeks ago, and they haven't provided it.

I went across the hall tonight and asked them where the data is.

They told me they they have 19 days left to give it to me.

You know, but it takes two minutes to run these reports.

That's what got us in the lawsuit uh the last time.

And I prevailed because public officers' law 872G says that if they have the ability to provide the data from a database readily, they have to do that.

And the assessor told me today that the law department told them that they're only to give me what they provide at the hearing.

That is violation of New York state law.

And if and if I don't get my data, if they were one day late, I'm going to sue, but this time you'll be in contempt of court because we've already been through this once.

So we could have had a more productive discussion here if the assessor provided me the data, behaved in an upfront manner and was transparent about what they're doing.

They're hiding something.

In this case, they're hiding the fact that they haven't done an assessment since 1996.

And so what happened here, what transpired is that the assessment was established in 96.

Then they changed it for some unknown reason in 2017.

And then they changed it again in 22, a 20% increase in 2022, with no improvements, no revaluation.

Okay.

Do you think the market went up from 96 to 2017?

We'll talk about that in a minute.

Okay.

But um, you know, in the so this is 207 parish lane.

With you guys previously, we had cases in 209 last year and 202, the previous year for that.

You denied me in both cases.

I took it to Scar and I won both cases.

The difference is that the hearing officer recognized that he violated welcome stranger.

It's clear, apparently, you guys don't recognize that.

This is not a welcome stranger case because the property didn't sell.

But in 2022, those two sales, they used that against her added her 20%.

20%.

So if you if you recall uh the first time we did 202 Parish Lane, uh this uh Syracuse.com had a map of all the properties.

One block away, they didn't do anything.

The next block up nothing.

In this one, they had five, ten, twenty, so they stuck her with twenty.

The smallest house is is assessed for the most because they they grabbed it for 20%.

So her assessment, although technically not illegal, like the previous two were, it was based.

In other words, Ed Fall saw the two sales.

He illegally assessed those properties and took those and applied it to this.

It's improper, it's improper.

You need to do a revaluation.

That's the bottom line.

And hopefully at some point you'll you'll get to it.

So let's let's well so let me just ask you a quick question.

The you obviously are familiar with the real estate.

Uh do you believe that property values have increased from 1996 to 2017 and now today?

Do you do you do you uh believe that?

I think that you're being disingenuous.

No, I'm not sure.

I'm just I'm just I'm trying to no you you're saying that you're patronizing.

You're you're saying that the property was increased in value 20 percent from 1996.

From 2022.

It was 64,000 in in in 2003.

Let's go back to 96.

What was it assessed at?

Well, assessed it's 71,900.

All right.

I don't know what the equalization rate was then.

Right.

So so it was assessed for uh 71,000 back in 96, and then it was never increased until 2017.

The assessment but the fair market value obviously went up because of the equalization rate.

Okay, the assessment, the assessment should not increase unless there's been an appropri improvement or revaluation, neither of which was done.

Well, the the city hasn't done a revaluation, and we're all in agreement that that should be done sooner rather than later.

But regardless, there's no question that property values in the city of Syracuse have increased from 1996 to 2017, from 2017 to 2025, 26, and it's indisputable.

Right, but you need to abide by the law.

And Ed Falls did not abide by the law.

Okay.

Okay.

But I provided this here, and it talks about two things.

One is the capital sales, which there are two.

You know, they go into different neighborhoods, and they're they're uh and their capital sales report, uh, three of their five assessments are in different neighborhoods.

Um, and they're they're a different uh classification.

Well, appraiser uses within a half a mile radius, and then if they can't find anything, then it's a mile radius.

Yeah, but the but the neighborhood, the main neighborhood is the is the best indication.

So I review the sales comparison.

So for example, 2020 is assessed for 86,000.

This is assessed for 92.

It's substantially bigger.

You know, and I address that in here, you can read that.

And then uh two uh 209, same thing substantially, has a finished rec room, this doesn't, more square footage, you know, so on and so forth.

All right, let me address that.

Give me one second here.

Let me go on to the city and see if we have anything.

I'm going to give you just one more quick thing.

And then uh then the can I go through the comparable assessments.

So I pick other houses.

I went up and down the street and I looked at some of them are double the size of hers.

So I just picked out the ones that are closer to hers, and I made I made an adjustment like an appraisal in this thing.

So you can see where my adjustments came from.

But if you if you just eyeball the first one compare it to the second one, um you know, in the third one.

If you just if you just look at it, counting senses, there should be an adjustment.

Those should not be assessed for less than hers.

They should be more than hers, but they're we'll definitely take a close look at what you provided.

Um is it correct that this is the highest assessed property on the street?

Can I just add something?

My taxes a year six thousand dollars.

It's not relevant, it's not relevant.

Okay.

Point taken.

Let me take a look I'm gonna give you the same comparable sales to prove the value that he has, yes.

Okay, very good.

I know we're over, but I want to finish this.

Yeah, okay.

Uh Ed made some mistakes and and and now you know this she's paying for Ed's mistake.

All right, well, let's try to understood, but let's try to move forward and see if uh, you know, we can continue to try to do the right thing.

I would just like to see when I ask for comparable sales report, comparable assessment report.

I'm gonna cast for cost valuation report for this property and the cost valuation for each of those cops.

And if they give that to me, it only takes a few minutes for them to do.

We can have an app this this could be a much simpler, much quicker thing.

But it's also a customer service issue.

Um, you know, she pays a lot of money.

Spend three minutes running a report.

Is it too difficult?

You know, why why do you treat taxpayers as we know?

They're your customer, don't drink and I haven't had any runs with the other.

Um sorry, I didn't know you were on this case, but uh does it matter?

Well, I foiled it in they won't just one question.

How come we don't get to see your information in advance?

Because it's the law.

Oh, okay.

Thank you.

But but the thing is, um, I'm done.

This is let me put it this way.

If you give me yours, I'll give you mine.

I promise.

I promise.

All right.

I'm I'm I'm 100% into doing this transparently, both at bar and at scar.

You give me your data, you know, like a week ahead, I'll give you mine for sure.

I promise.

Okay.

Um so we're well over time, so we've got to call it at this point, but uh we'll take everything that you submitted, uh, and everything that's the city submitted, and we'll make a decision, and then the city will send you a notice first week of April.

Appreciate it.

All right, thank you very much for coming in.

Both of you 87 2G.

Public officers are not.

Uh Echo versus Nassau County is the prevailing case law on the matter.

There's no doubt I'm entitled to that data.

Five days to acknowledge, 20 days to provide it, going out a month and a half is not gonna cut it because it only takes two minutes to run every point.

You have no justification for the one.

And by the way, if you intentionally delay it, let's go with 101 Av and Dale.

It is a crime.

So yeah, it's not it's it's a violation, it's not it's a misdemeanor.

But do you end up handing it in order to 30 to you?

Oh, yeah.

All right, yeah.

Good, yeah.

Good.

Uh you're here for 101 Avondale Place.

Yes.

Okay, good.

Yeah.

Uh I'm from Korean Surf.

Okay, hold that thought.

Uh let me swear you in.

If you can raise your right hand, state your name for the record.

You affirm to tell the truth and give accurate information to the best of your ability.

Okay, very good.

Let me just uh be let me read in some information and then we'll go from there.

Okay.

So this is 101 Avondale Place and Greenwood Place.

This is an exemption issue.

This is an exemption, full exemption.

Yeah.

Okay.

Um, so we have church mission building, Bible study, fellowship, etc.

Um I will just read in the number information that I have, because that could be important at some point.

Um, so I have a current tentative assessed value of 115,000.

Uh that's a current tentative assessed value of 115,000 with a land value of 14,200.

And that would be an equitable market value of 221,154.

And you are looking for a full exemption.

Um before I turn it over to you, and was this exempt?

This was exempt and now it's denied currently.

Yes.

And so let me turn it over to you and you tell me what the situation is.

The first thing is that actually we we just want to know the reason of the denial.

You got the same time like 10 years ago, and we're getting paid us back.

It's for sale though, right?

Oh, yeah, yeah.

That's what I but are you using it because it doesn't there wasn't any water being used.

Oh yeah, because we are using it, but not not every day.

Okay, well, how often are you using it?

So I I visit every day to for the maintenance issues.

What?

Maintenance and something like that.

So you visited every day.

Yeah.

Okay.

It was under the first city management in the church.

Okay, and you do a walkthrough.

Yeah, the walk through, and then we have some fellowship as we can.

So we bring the food and how often is that?

Is it almost every week?

That's every week.

Yeah.

And and uh if the people have to go to the bathroom, what do they do?

Oh, we they use the bathroom, but uh well, is there water off or is it on?

Well it's not off it's working.

Okay, it's working, it's just very little use.

Yeah, yeah.

That's what I mean.

And we that properties on the sale because we we wanted to buy we want to buy the another property in the north side for the refugee ministry.

So we got approved from Attorney General and then board of the PC USA.

So actually the attorney approved the S sales in November 2025.

But in January, the buyer uh requested a delayed closing until April, the end of April.

So actually the closing should be the in January, but because the due to the the request from the buyer, our board the session just approved it, and we tell them we told them we're gonna wait until April.

So that means like we are still using it for the church.

And when if I can ask, you don't, it's none of my business, but is it are you selling to an individual or another not for profit?

So there it won't be a uh meeting house or a church or anything, it'll be uh after closing, yeah.

Like okay, it's okay.

As long as there was a small about uh amount of um use water usage after I had because I just looked it up.

So there was a there wasn't any water being used, but now there is um before we put on the market the the properties, yes, we use a lot, but after the market, so you thought you were gonna close the right the reduced them using for the the the okay.

It's okay, especially if it's gonna be true that's being used right for the purposes, right?

Okay, yeah.

For the press, yeah.

I I can bring the I can send these limited for the like delaying closing thing.

Okay.

So uh this Mr.

Park is going is the purchaser, yeah.

He's the buyer.

What's he gonna do with the property?

I I I heard he's gonna use that property for the investment.

Okay, rental.

Okay.

Is it a two family?

No, it's one family.

One family.

Yeah, it's good size house.

Yeah.

You want to see this is good.

Thank you for supplying this.

I appreciate that.

Um, that's fine.

Oh, good sized house for sure.

And that's up in your neighborhood, I think.

No.

No.

No, it's up off of West, like around right off of Westcott Street.

Oh, okay.

Avondale.

Okay.

Um, he's I think I'm also as long as he says he's using it.

Plus it's gonna if it closes in April, it'll be taxable anyway.

So right.

Exactly.

How does that work?

Now this would if the the exemption would what?

Retro.

And then the new owner would get a prorated uh an omitted tax on his bill.

If we can catch it in time, he we would try to correct the bill, but yes.

So depending on the closing.

Okay.

You we we paid the first uh exams and taxes.

Yeah, so this wouldn't go if if you weren't selling it, this isn't gonna start till July anyways.

So if your closings in April, you're all sad.

So on 26th and 2027 period?

Yes.

That's right.

Oh that's right.

City and school for uh twenty-six to twenty-seven mid.

You thought this is just like immediately, yeah.

No, no, no.

It's like so there would be no effect uh uh for you in effect period.

Yeah, yeah.

So thank you.

Yes.

Okay.

Uh okay, so let me just make a note here.

Uh and uh so it sounds like uh and you're in agreement.

Yeah.

Okay.

Uh and that's in a that's a full exemption.

Yes.

Okay.

Okay.

You're all set.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Good night.

I think you can have a seat right up here if you like.

Yes.

How are you?

Good.

Uh so this is 2706 Midland Avenue.

Okay.

Uh okay, so uh let me swear you in if I could.

Uh if you could raise your right hand, state your name for the record.

Yes.

You affirm to tell the truth and give accurate information to the best of your ability.

Okay, very good.

Um so 2706 Midland Avenue.

This is a one-family rental.

Uh is what I have down here.

And I have a current tentative assessed value of forty-three thousand dollars with a land value of forty-nine hundred dollars.

Uh that would be a full market value of eighty-two thousand six hundred and ninety-two dollars.

You mean that's how much the house is worth?

That's uh per the per the assessed value, that's uh a figure that we think is the full market value.

Yes, the city, that's what the city feels.

But I'll I'll give you uh a chance to to discuss that.

Um you believe that the property is worth uh seventy-three thousand dollars, which would be an assessed value of thirty-seven thousand nine hundred and sixty dollars.

So that'd be great, thank you.

Okay.

Uh so it looks like you paid forty-two thousand uh dollars cash deal.

When when was that purchase?

I'm not sure when exactly, but uh 2020?

2020.

2020, okay.

Okay.

Okay, and all I have is the application in here.

So uh what uh uh this is a one-family rental.

What do you rent the property for?

How much?

Uh 900 a month.

900 a month, and that person pays the utilities and all that.

Okay, so it's rented for 900 a month.

Uh and what size is the property?

How many bedrooms, baths?

Uh four bedrooms.

Uh four bedrooms.

Four bedrooms.

Yeah.

Uh one bath.

Yeah, four bedrooms, one bathroom.

Okay.

Yeah.

All right.

And so uh anything else you can tell us about the property, deferred maintenance, what uh uh condition.

Well, uh to be honest, with you, you know, this is my first time, you know, to say what do you uh I never been like, you know, this is my first time to talk about the tax.

Okay.

And uh is that something that you want to submit?

I mean uh the paper here just you know it shows it just went up like about five thousand.

The tax it just went up about five thousand.

Okay.

I'm not asking you, you know, to go like lower or just keep it as is, you know.

That's what I feel that's fair.

You know, keep the house as is, you know.

Don't come over, you know, don't call us.

Okay.

Uh 43,000 in 2020, and you feel it's worth uh 73,000, which uh uh.

Okay.

Uh uh 575.

What's uh full market value on 38,000?

That's worth that.

Oh, is that uh that's right.

Okay, I gotcha.

Gotcha, gotcha.

Okay.

So basically you're looking for it to stay where it was.

Just give it that.

Yeah, I'm not asking for lower.

Okay.

Uh I'm gonna submit it was raised uh five thousand.

Believe it or not, there are comps within a block of this property.

This is 2706.

2506 just sold, well, it had it not just sold, but it sold for 107,000.

2513 Midland sold for 116,000.

It and these are all just about the same size.

The lowest uh price I have right now is on Newell, and that sold for 89.8.

So, I mean, the market.

Uh a step up.

Right.

And it was 900 a month rent, you said 900.

Okay.

I mean, it depends, you know, the other house, like the condition could be better than mine or something, you know.

I don't know, you know, you can just compare, you know, with this house just sold, you know, like with a little money higher than mine.

Oh, I have to raise the other house.

I I don't think this compare uh is good.

Okay.

Well that's that's that's another same area or neighborhood, but all houses different, you know, not all the same, you know.

Well, your house must be in pretty good condition if you're renting it for 900.

Yeah, but don't forget four, you know, four bedrooms.

So is nothing.

For the record, we only had three bedrooms.

So one of whom, you know, I call a bedroom, but uh just like you know, small is not bad.

Okay.

Uh all right.

Um so we'll take everything that you said into consideration.

We don't have any comparables here, uh, other than what the city provided.

Um so we'll we'll go over everything and then the city will send you a notice first week of April.

The first week of April.

And then to have to show up to have to come?

No, no, you'll you'll receive a letter with our decision the first week of April.

Okay.

Okay.

All right.

Yeah, that's fine.

You know, we we made notes of your uh the information you provided verbally, and uh we'll take that into consideration as well as what the city submitted.

Yeah, but I mean just I want to mention on this 900 is nothing, you know, by the whole month to make 900, you know.

I don't know.

So my the English is my second language if you hung on, that is telling me what I'm saying.

So nine hundred is not allowed money to pay more tax, you know.

That's what I'm trying to say.

Okay, all right.

That's fine.

I I appreciate that point.

And I'm not asking you know to go lower, just give it as is, you know, because I've been paying, you know, like for six years on the same amount.

I think I'm able to pay this amount.

If you go a little higher, I don't know, it's not gonna be good for me.

What's the it's about 200?

200.

Yeah, so it's about 200 for the year as far as the $5,000 increase is concerned.

So it's not $5,000 that you're paying.

Yeah, I understand.

She already told me that for $200, but like what I'm saying.

If it's not worth it, you guys talk about $200, you know, to raise it for me.

So that's $200 for the whole year.

I understand.

So do you think you guys need this $200 from me?

No, but we feel I don't know.

It's just $200, not worth it, you know.

And also, guys, I just want to tell you, you know, I suppose to be home, you know, I'm a Muslim, so it's a Ramadan today.

It's the first day, so my family is just waiting for me to eat.

You know, I gotta just go there.

I didn't know it's gonna be 200 until she told me that.

If I know 200, I'm not gonna take about it.

If you think you need this 200, just keep it as is.

I don't know.

The board doesn't need anything.

I'll just let's get that straight.

Okay.

Uh you know, the it's it's the city levy, and all we're trying to do is put the correct value on the property.

Really, well, it's not worth the talk about 200, you know, for the whole but if you keep it, I will be very happy if you keep it as if you think you know you want this 200, raise it 5,000.

Whatever you want.

Okay.

All right.

Thank you very much.

I appreciate you coming in.

Yes.

Yes, thank you.

Okay, thank you.

Okay.

Very good.

Okay.

Uh 123 Windsor Place.

Did Keene show them up or no?

How are you?

I'm well, how are you?

I'm back.

Thank you.

You're back.

I'm back.

Yes, he's back.

I don't know if you remember me last year.

I came for two properties.

You are the uh I still have your ruler on my desk.

Is that right?

Is it only because I get well you can keep the ruler.

Well, you told us we could keep it.

Oh, so you're still using it, and then you think of me, right?

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

I'm telling you, I still it's green.

Right.

All right.

See, you think I didn't know what I was talking about.

You remember because of I didn't bring rulers this time.

Yeah, I'm very sad about that.

He wanted a pen.

Or a couple hundred hours because apparently that's what we're looking for.

Uh so anyway, let me just make a note here and then uh yes.

Oh, you know what?

That one has the bent uh page and I'll keep that one.

Okay.

But they're all the same, but I thank you.

All right, thank you.

I'll just make a note here.

Okay.

Um I'll swear you both in, yeah, if that would be good, just in case you're gonna speak.

Can you state your name for the record?

Kathleen Boudreau.

Okay.

You both affirm to tell the truth and give accurate information to the best of your ability.

Okay.

Um now were you here for this property last year?

Yep.

So you weren't happy with what we decided.

You didn't do anything.

We didn't do anything.

And I was a little bit.

We've been told then.

My nose was a little turned because you said it lacked data.

And I'm like, how I provide, yeah.

Well, it might have been there's only a couple of things.

Certain number of categories that we can fit it into.

But no, definitely didn't lack data, but I understand where you would uh be a little miffed at that.

Uh how could that be?

Yes, yes.

I brought rulers.

Right.

Uh okay, so let me just read this in if I could.

123 Windsor Place.

And this, I'd like to add, um, when I submitted the form, um, she was going through, and she claimed that my numbers were wrong.

Um, because I had put the assessed value of the property.

What the tentative assessment.

I put that in, and then I I put in what we felt that the assessment should be moved to.

So she uh so we changed it to the market value of uh as you'll see on the the uh page three.

Um and it's an inserted page, it's different than the rest.

Uh and I'm not I'm not happy with that.

Uh it I was a little um I guess caught off guard when she said it was incorrect.

And uh and I thought, I I had thoroughly.

The uh whoever I was submitting the form in and signing in and getting a date for the hearing.

And I'm sorry.

But no, that's okay, thank you.

And I was, you know, it was just uh a day before a surgery that I was having, and that's why she gave me a date well in advan uh following uh the submission, and um to give me time to recover.

So we changed it, but I I still believe that this are the numbers that should be submitted.

Okay.

Okay.

So uh if that's the case, then I'm gonna have you change them.

Well, you have on here assessed value of the property.

Mm-hmm.

And then it says uh the complaint uh believes the assessment should be reduced to the full value of and we put three fifty, uh I put three fifty-five.

Okay.

Um I see what you're saying.

Uh but these numbers are incorrect.

She said they were, but I believe that those are the correct, those are the correct numbers that should be used.

All right, well it says it says assessed value of the property, right?

That would be the current tenant of assessed value, right?

Right.

Should be assessed value.

Right.

Should be the four no, it's two sixty-five.

Two hundred and sixty-five thousand.

265, you're right.

So 265, and then you have for the full market value.

So you're saying the full market's 355, correct?

And then you want the assessment to be 184?

727, that's what we have.

We have your full market value here, 355, 245.

Total market value of three, yeah, three fifty-five, right.

244, which you have here, but 460, 820, you're saying that that is the full market value that the city says it is, but that's not the case.

Right.

The city actually says it's 509.615.

Now I understand you're saying that's what it should be.

You're thinking that's what it should be, but the numbers here don't match up then.

Right.

Okay.

Well, let me read the numbers and then we'll see if we have to go back to this sheet or not.

Okay.

Um, so I have a current tenant of assessed value of 265,000, and we have a land value of 21,500.

So based on a 52 uh percent multiplier, that would put the market value at 509,615.

So for starters, are you using 52 percent?

Yes.

Okay.

So then you put in here that you think no, it's not worth 509,600 509, $615, $509,615.

We think it's worth $355,244.

Correct.

Okay.

Now that using the $2% multiplier would be $184,727 assessed value.

So does that match up with your numbers?

Um it's a l a little bit lower than what I'm requesting.

Okay.

For the total assessment, it's $2760 is what I think the uh assessment should be.

You think the assessment should be what again?

200 and 760.

It's on 200,000 and 760?

Yep, it's on the bottom.

Okay.

Then what I'd like you to do.

Yeah.

Is initial.

I'd like you to change.

I'm gonna cross out this assessed value.

You said 207,600.

200 and then 760.

200,000 seven hundred and sixty dollars.

Okay.

So if you could just write that in.

Can I borrow your pen?

And then can we get that?

Yep.

Right.

Is it 77 dollars?

All right.

Just hold that thought.

Is that right?

You wanted me to change it there.

Uh yes.

Okay.

So that is gonna be the assessed value.

And then I'm gonna have well, I guess I can write it down.

Full market value uh is 308.

307.

306.

007.

077, period.

Yep.

Okay.

All right.

So you had numbers of 184,727 assessed value.

But you think it should be 200,007 and 17 cents.

So that would be a full market value of 306.077 instead of 355.

Yeah.

I don't think they're going to be able to do that.

Yeah, I came up with 386.

386077.

Oh, 386.

Yes.

Yes.

Okay.

All right.

I'm sorry.

I thought you said 306.

All right, 3006.

And that's supported by the diamond.

I'll tell you what, how about if we just pack up and we'll come back in the morning and then we'll be square.

How long have you guys been?

No, not long.

But it's seeming long.

No, just kidding.

No, you're not.

No, we know you're that's okay.

Right.

It's okay.

Um, but it's supported.

These numbers are supported by the numbers that I have in here.

That's fine.

And those are taken from this worksheet.

That sheet.

Okay.

And I will explain this to you.

Okay.

So let me just repeat.

I just want to make sure we got it right.

Okay.

So 265,000 is the current tentative assessed value.

With a land value of 21,500.

That would be a market value of 509,615.

You believe the fair market value is $386,07.

And that would be an assessed value of $200,000, $760 and 17 cents.

So we got the right numbers.

We got the right numbers.

That's no, we want to get it right.

All kidding aside.

So no problem.

So to uh so this year I want I'm seeing this 460, but I don't want to see it anymore, so I'll go I'll give that back.

It'll just confuse us all.

Yes.

Um so the subject property, the 123, is the very first line.

Before last year, I had it uh in line with the uh the numbers uh of the street addresses, uh, but I thought for clarity I'd put it up at the top so that you can see the differences between um this property and the rest of the properties.

Um the owners um Carla and her husband Peter uh purchased the house in 2006, and that was just before uh the bubble burst in 2008.

So their um increases to their assessment have been um based on an inflated value back in 2006.

That's our uh you know argument number one.

Um secondly, the property has had has not had any significant improvements uh since they purchased it.

Um it is also considered the highest per square foot value of the entire neighborhood.

If you look at the worksheet, uh the per square foot value uh for the building is 10253, and there's no other property that is even over um 100 per square foot.

That is uh illustrated with the chart that's in your package there.

This is the the property, the next one down is uh 90 $90 and 97 cents, which is um which is uh almost a 13 percent uh de you know they're 13 percent higher than the next highest property.

Um but for the average for the uh the street, they are 25 percent higher than the average.

Um the land value uh they are also high on.

Uh the land is two dollars and eighty-nine cents per square foot.

I've broken all of the properties down into square feet so that um we could get a per square foot price, and the average for uh the neighborhood is two dollars and fifty-two cents uh a square foot.

Now I also included Berkeley because it's a uh really adjacent neighborhood uh and I combine the two uh and the average for both of them and Berkeley I would even argue should be a higher per square foot than Windsor because they're much grander homes um then the Windsor place, and they generally have larger lots.

Um but the average still comes out around $76.13 for um the both streets.

So for them to be at $102 a square foot, they're just really out of line.

Um to support this, we've also uh brought photographs of some of the neighborhoods that have sold.

This is 100 uh, you'll have those in your package, but 100 uh Windsor Place, and you can see the level of finish for that particular property is uh extraordinary, and yet they're only $67.92 per square foot.

Do you have interior picture of the subject property?

I do.

I I'm I was gonna get to those.

And then uh 121 is uh immediately next door to the subject property, and these pictures are dated because this was 2022 that they sold sold it, and these were from the listing.

This was sold in 2001.

Um that's the best you could do.

Right.

And but you can see the level of things they have a new kitchen, new baths.

Um, and then this is the uh the subject property um to illustrate that no uh major improvements have been done since they purchased the property in 2006.

An interesting development that occurred after I was here last year was I did not realize that they also have uh very negative, and I will leave one of these with you, uh, situation.

This is their property uh right here.

There is a driveway that runs up here, it's only supposed to go to this property, I believe, because that's and any of the maps that I pulled up.

The uh the driveway only comes up to that property.

Um, and I will leave these maps with you.

Um as a result, people who want if they've missed this term, they cut down their driveway.

And this gentleman, he purchased the property last year, uh made it into a rental, uh, and he even paved.

I have a picture of that.

He paved the uh backyard, and he is now using it.

His tenants are um he paved here.

Uh so his tenants can pull up that driveway when I don't believe they have the right to it, and maybe the city can determine whether or not he has uh the right to bring it up.

Where is the subject property?

The subject property is this right here.

Okay, and where's the driveway?

This driveway goes to here.

If you look on uh an aerial that's right where the building uh is it the guy next door or is it the guy directly behind them?

Okay, yeah, there's that see that strip that comes in off of yeah, so the so this is the subject property, so and this only goes to here, but he's using it.

He comes up and he even paved a portion right here.

Um so I don't know if that was paved a portion on his property, yeah.

For uh his tenants to park there.

So they come up and uh you know this is where their garage is.

Uh you can see it here.

This is where their garage is.

Somebody's going on their property.

Oh, they have.

They have parked their cars on their property in front of the garage.

And uh, and they cut through the driveway if they've missed the shot.

They cut through the driveway to get to here.

They cut through their driveway.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, you gotta first thing I do is be erecting a fence with a gate.

Uh no, I mean, yeah.

I wouldn't want anybody on my property.

See, the city in the city won't get involved in the city.

Because that's involved.

That's like a private thing.

But if they don't have access here, and you can see that, isn't that something the city should investigate?

Well, I think that uh you might want to call the city on this guy's uh extra parking lot.

Uh yeah, uh you know, I'm sure he did it without permit.

Yeah, I'm sure he did too.

And uh so I definitely would be calling attention to that.

Absolutely.

You know, the sometimes you can't be a nice neighbor.

Uh it is what it is, especially when it's tenants.

And and and I guess the the um what about putting a fence here?

Oh, at the end of the driveway.

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

Well well your property.

That portion is well, I guess that is their property right there.

I mean, if you put a fence right here, let them go around it.

But I was told there are a lot of houses though that that don't have a lot of people.

They don't have a right to go on your property.

That's for sure.

They would have to have any issues.

I have any reduction.

So this has been going on, and I it's an adverse situation.

So it's not in like I mean, does it also we uh yeah, they they have uh a neighbor here who blocks the road, so sometimes the people will come around and use their driveway because this neighbor is up is uh a hoarder and has junk all the way out.

You can see from these photos, and I'll leave these with you.

So, you know, that is a detriment to uh the property value.

Um well, it can be.

I'd also do something.

Well that you would keep that's got the comps.

I'd also do something about it uh uh so it wasn't a detriment.

Uh but that's me.

Uh and I will leave you this map.

Do you want a recommendation?

Yeah, if you have one.

I'll recommend that you take it back down to 245.

But I will say that some of I mean it's tough to take an average because the bigger the property, the smaller the per square foot.

They are high, that's why I'm making a recommendation, but it's hard to you've got a couple of properties that are almost 4,000 square feet.

The economies of scale, I mean that per square footage is just gonna be smaller, but I've made a recommendation.

I would argue against that only because I'm uh a broker in real estate, and uh everything is per square foot.

When you list a property, the one thing you'll see on the listing is the rate per square foot.

Um so everything is is rated on a per square foot basis.

Then I take my recommendation back.

Okay.

So you're recommending how much?

245.

245 assessed value.

Okay.

So we've got that.

But I think that that's still too high.

Okay.

That's yeah, and we didn't make any decisions, of course, but we'll take um that's the only one I've made this whole year so far.

I know.

I can't say you're giving away the farm.

Yeah.

Um, if you do come in next year, I do want to see more information.

What?

I did.

Oh, really?

You didn't bring in enough to share.

Okay, you're being facetious.

Yes, yes.

But thank you for all the information as well.

Well, I thought the photographs and the maps.

Yeah, you wouldn't know that.

It is a very interesting scenario.

And no other property on the street has that situation.

Talking about she really wants to make it happy.

She can bring cops.

That's right.

Oh, yeah, I could bring coffee.

Right.

Yeah.

That's one way to start.

Yes.

Carl's not happy.

Carol's not happy with the quality of coffee this year.

So decent coffee would be good.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, decent coffee.

We have fabulous coffee.

We do, if you remember.

Now, do you have everything?

Yes, we have everything, and also what the city submitted, and we will uh take everything into consideration, obviously.

I hope I don't have to come see you.

Although it is interesting.

Quite honestly, I hope you don't have to come as well.

No, I just I'm not offended.

But no, thank you for coming in, and uh uh the city will send you a notice first week of April.

Okay.

Okay.

Thanks for coming in.

Uh okay.

So we have uh 116 Keen Place.

How were you today?

Okay, you're here for 116 Keen Place.

I am all right.

Uh so I'm going to uh square you in if I could.

Uh could you raise your right hand?

State your name for the record.

Stephanie Bullet.

You affirm to tell the truth and give accurate information to the best of your ability.

Yes.

Okay, very good.

Um so this is 116 Keen Place.

Uh this is a ranch style.

Uh is this your residence?

It is.

Okay.

Uh let me just read some numbers in it if I could.

Uh we have a current tentative assessed value of $67,000 with a land value of $5500.

Uh that would be a market value of $128,846.

Um the petitioner believes the fair market value is $80,000.

And that would be an equatable assessed value of $41,600.

And I just want to make the clear.

Uh application.

Okay.

Um, so all we have is the application in here.

It looks like you've got some information.

Um, but you just mentioned $80,000.

What did that figure come from?

Did I write that down?

Uh yes.

It looks like you did.

Um so the $80,000 is uh what you believe the market value is on the top of my head.

Because I was in the office and it was closing and it was rushing me.

So I just said 80.

Do you wish to change that?

Yeah, I could change it.

Okay.

That's fine.

Then I'm going to have you cross off the 80,000, and we'll figure out the assessed value.

Just cross off the 80,000 and put in there what you believe the property is worth.

That's right on the bottom there.

Yeah.

And then if you would put your initials, please.

Okay.

Thank you.

Okay.

So the petitioner believes the market value is 75,000.

And so what would that be from an assessed value standpoint?

39,000 even.

Okay.

That sounds good.

Um what can you tell us about you brought some excuse me?

You brought some information.

But you explained at 128.

But the land, you said the land value is added on to the 67,000.

It's included.

It's included in 1628.

Yes.

Without including that land value, it's 67.

Uh no, if you don't include the land value, it would be 615.

But how did you get to the the 67?

What was the land value before?

Did you add it?

This property was increased by 10,000 for this year.

Oh, but we didn't increase the land.

Okay.

So the land value was uh stagnant at $5,500.

That's a guesstimate to what they think the land is that the property sits on.

It was basically a increase on the land.

It's not the house itself.

It's just the land that increased.

It's the market value.

No, the land did not increase.

The the overall assessed value of the total property of 67,000.

Meaning my the house itself.

Meaning the house, that's right.

But how can you determine that increase?

What did you use to determine increase?

Comparable sales.

In the neighborhood?

Well, the condition of one house is not like the condition of another house.

That's true.

And I've seen, you know, I've seen the renovations.

I'm all aware of that, but my home is a ranch and it's very old.

And I do keep it in a good shit.

I fix things.

Okay.

But the roof is 25 years old.

The windows are almost 15 years old.

So I can't see how you can assess my property at the same value of a house that has been renovated.

Well, I don't understand.

How do you know we did though?

I mean, I don't know what home someone, so I'm just making a comment.

I don't understand that assessment at all.

Because you can't compare houses.

You can't say my houses because the house next door to me did sell for something we thought was high, but I think that's overrated.

I we know the street.

We know our neighborhood, and I don't understand.

Did you bring any pictures of the inside of the property?

I'm gonna have to send them to Mrs.

Umsochiate there because I have the phone and it's not working.

Okay, good.

So I I mean not good that it's not working, but I can send them to her in a text.

That would be very good if you would.

And or actually emails better.

I I oh okay.

All right, yeah.

If you could do that, that would be good.

Then we can see what the inside of your property is, right?

And then we can match it up with the comparables that the city uh uh submits to see if it's accurate.

You know, again, uh you know, impossible to get inside every property as far as that's concerned.

Uh so okay, all right, fair enough.

Is there anything you want to submit?

Um, I have a letter.

I didn't think you know I spent a lot of time with it, but yeah, well when I just kept writing and writing.

That's fine.

No, no, no problem there.

The uh I mean if you want to read it, that's okay, but we will read it and go through everything as well.

Uh if you're okay with that too, because yeah, it definitely uh uh sounds like you uh uh but would you need a copy of the certificate of completion for like the roof and the windows?

Because that's all I've ever fixed in 30 years.

Yeah, it's like aside from core filling because the foundation slip because it's sinking.

My bad is it's not level anymore.

And so they did core fill, and it stopped the slipping from the center blocks, but he said that's not permanent, is what he said to me.

Okay.

But that's all in the letter.

So that's fine.

Yeah.

Um, so that there I'll just take a peek if I could, just to see.

Are these copies?

The only copies.

They're your only copy.

Um any chance of getting a copy of these?

Or is it uh do we make copies in general?

Okay, yeah, I think these two would be good.

Those are her only copies.

That would be good, and we got your letter.

Um, so what we'll do is we will have copies made, we'll give you back the originals of those.

That's the rest of your information that I don't think we need.

Um turn it over to Ann for a second here.

I think I believe the whole street was and maybe the neighborhood.

I I don't have everybody's assessment, but all the neighbors, at least on keen, all the assessments were increased.

So I don't see any sales in that neighborhood going for under 100, even say less than shade.

Really not a lot in the city period, they go for that.

So my question is if you just continue to say it's worth more than I know it's worth, then that means I have to pay taxes on something I'll never sell it for.

Because it won't sell for over $100,000, not this house.

You'd have to see.

Well, if you're gonna give pictures.

Well, I mean, you know, sometimes pictures don't really give you the best view.

Yeah, that's okay.

Let's let's take a look at it.

I'm not selling my house anyway.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, that's fine.

Let's take a look at it.

You weren't singled out, also is what I also want you to realize.

I don't feel safe at all.

I know all over the city.

Yeah, it looks like all your neighbors it's a million dollar suite, they say.

Yeah.

Good.

Uh so John will bring back those copies.

Um do you have anything else to add?

No, just the copies that she's gonna give you from my phone.

Yes, yes, exactly.

Um you got her email address.

All right.

Um so uh we'll take everything in consideration.

John's gonna bring back your copies and uh what the city submitted, and then you'll receive a notice first week of April.

Okay.

All right, thank you very much for coming in.

Yes.

Okay, so I guess I'll leave this open for a minute.

Uh let's go on to 400 Lynch Av.

Are you good?

You're here for 400 Lynch Ave and Russell Place.

Yes.

Um John's gonna bring back up the copies.

Uh okay.

Uh we got the application in here.

Okay, if you could raise your right hand and state your name for the record.

And do you affirm to tell the truth and give accurate information to the best of your ability?

Okay, very good.

Um so we have 400 lynch ad.

Uh this is what type of property is this?

Is this a single family?

Single family residential, yeah.

Okay.

Is this uh do you live in this property?

Yes.

Okay.

Uh so we have a current tentative assessed value of $73,000 with a land value of $8700.

Um is this uh $90,000?

$89 or 90.

Okay.

Looks like all right, so $89 or 90,000.

Look like 90,000 here, uh, which would be an assessed, and that's what I've got here, be an assessed value of 46,800.

Um and then one last add on.

Uh at 73,000, that would be a uh value of 140,000 385.

Okay.

And then I have the application.

Looks like you paid 83,000 in November of 2016.

Uh we are okay.

And that's about it as far as what I can pull off here.

Uh as far as the application.

Okay.

Was this an increase in assessed value?

This is another spot.

Uh assessment.

Okay.

Um, so what do you want to tell us about the property?

My property?

Yeah.

Well, I just have questions like everybody else, how was it determined?

But I guess it's because of the market.

But houses it's like in between.

Some sold for uh over a hundred, some so for eighty-nine, it was uh also uh a pop uh house um lynch that was um auction off.

So I'm just trying to figure out like how do they determine how much of a tax gonna go up or okay.

Well, generally uh uh sales of property in the area uh is basically how they come up with their figures.

Um but uh Ann, what uh about three hundred and twenty dollars in taxes.

Okay.

Okay.

So from uh assessed value uh sixty-five to seventy three.

Okay, all right.

Um so then what do you have for comps?

Well, again, uh we've got Armstrong place, which is right up there.

I don't I don't see we wouldn't call an aw if that one was auctioned, we wouldn't say that that's that was on lynch.

We wouldn't say that that's a good sale because it um I have some comps from Armstrong down on Glenwood.

Um in everybody in the in the neighborhood was reassessed.

So it wasn't just you.

You lived in every so it's basically where the neighborhood has gone from a uh property value standpoint, uh and that's how uh they uh do you know when the last time was reassessed?

No, I don't think the last five it hasn't been.

Okay.

Okay, I see that.

Uh 2021, actually.

Okay.

Okay.

Um so the city has submitted some comps uh to support what they think the property is worth.

Uh you've given us some information.

Uh condition-wise, what can you tell us about the property?

About my property?

Yes.

I think my property is in good.

Try to keep it up as a home owner.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

Just you can pull push the whole thing up right to you.

Sure.

I said I believe my house is in good condition.

I try to keep it up as a homeowner.

Okay.

Okay.

How many bedrooms?

Three.

Three.

Uh how many how many baths?

One.

Three bedroom, one bath, uh, and uh 918 square feet.

Okay.

Very good.

And uh let's see what I've got here.

Okay, so it's a raised ranch down.

Okay.

Um the need for that as far as the interior is concerned.

My property?

Oh, no.

Okay.

All right.

This is my first time here, so I don't have anything, but I don't think that I need to.

Okay.

All right, that's fine.

No problem.

Um you feel it's in good condition, obviously.

Uh okay.

Anything else you want to add?

All right.

Uh then we'll take everything in into consideration and then uh the city will send you a notice first week of April.

Okay.

Okay.

All right.

But thank you very much for coming in.

Yeah.

Good evening.

Okay, thank you.

Uh so I have two fifty-three nickels avenue.

Good.

How about you?

Good.

Uh 53 nickels.

Which well, that's been right.

I used to live there.

It's now right.

Which where are you?

200.

Oh, okay.

It was actually my father grew up in this house.

It was my grandparents' house, my same.

And then I lived there and then kept it as a rental and moved to it.

But it's been in a family since 1940 something.

Literally.

Yeah.

Nice.

Uh okay.

Uh so if I could square you in, if you could raise your right hand, state your name for the record.

James Carroll.

You affirm to tell the truth and give accurate information to the best of your ability.

I do.

Okay, thank you.

Uh so this is a single family, single family home.

Well, and I'm hoping that was filled up.

I mean, I've done a bunch of these in the past, but been a while.

I'm just looking for the assessment to stay what it was last year.

So I hope I did the assessment versus full value thing properly.

Okay.

Well, let's let's take a look.

Uh it was at 138 or nine last year.

Okay.

So we have a current tentative assessed value of 91,000 with a land value of 14,600.

Uh that would be a assessed value.

I'm sorry, a full market value of 175,000 based on that current tentative assessed value.

Uh petitioner believes the fair market value is 139,000, which would be an assessed value of 72,280.

Okay, so I got it.

I just want to make sure I conveyed it.

That's what I'm looking for, correct?

Okay.

All right.

Um so you're saying the last uh uh assessment was around 72,000.

Yeah, yeah, I believe so.

It was 80.

It was 80,000.

Yeah, 80,000 was the last year's.

And I think that got reassessed within that couple of years.

Yeah, back in 22.

So I'm just saying.

So it's uh I won't take up a lot of time.

I did do a couple of comps.

I submitted my schedule for my tax returns.

I'm not really have a big story to tell.

What's uh what are you collecting in rent?

Only $900.

They do pay the utilities.

They're a family from Rwanda that came here about a dozen years ago.

Okay.

I hate to say I should raise it, but you know, anyways, that's my that's fine.

Nice people.

That's fine.

And uh how many bedrooms, how many baths?

Three, one tiny bathroom, three bedrooms, uh master bedroom in the front, two smaller bedrooms in the back.

Um, you know, kitchen dining room uh living room.

I put a roof on it two or three years ago, you know, stripped it right down.

Uh there's no garage.

Uh when I bought it literally like 40 years ago, I ripped out the uh gravity furnace, put in a forest air, but it's still that same unit.

Um windows are original with storms on them.

Um I mean I maintain it, but it's not there's no big upgrades.

There's no kitchen remodel or bathroom remodel.

There's no dishwasher or it's kind of original, you know, the original home really.

Okay.

Yeah.

Eastwood's just booming.

I live in Eastwood.

Uh my assessment got re-increased.

Thank you.

So it sues, uh I mean not selling for one.

I mean, I've been 40 years a real estate broker.

I know the market.

I I think what I'm asking for is fair, but I I get it.

I mean I get this market too.

I mean, it's what I do.

But but it's uh I mean you you're my neighbor, so I'm not gonna tell you something that isn't, but it is a picture.

Is there pictures?

I didn't do that.

I just thought a couple comps of my uh schedule for my tax return.

I really didn't want to.

Yeah, 900 is low.

That's that's for sure.

Yeah, that's a 900, and I'm kind of in a spot trying to be the right purse.

Yes.

The little house on it, yeah.

So is that that's not no cities owned it forever.

I've tried to buy it.

Oh, you died 30 years.

It shows back taxes for like 30 years.

Yeah, yeah.

It's bizarre.

There's a lot next to me though.

A little house was demoed on that.

But he just left, yeah.

Anyways, if I could buy it sometime, I might, but um but that is not part of mine.

So I got the 40 foot, you know, 40 by 140 lot, the typical.

Yeah, no, and you're right next door.

Right next to uh no garage.

Um just say, yeah, I mean I get it, and I know you know, I know the market, but I just uh I felt it was kind of fair where it was last year, so that's really what I'm asking for.

Okay.

All right.

All right.

Well, that sounds good.

Uh we'll uh take that, what you submitted also, and then the city, and then uh the city will send you a notice first week of April.

Okay, all right, appreciate the time.

Thank you, everybody.

I'm seeing a neighbor.

Next time I'm all along.

Okay.

Just a thought, but do you want me to you want to check and see if property will allow the one property?

I think the next one's a exemption, anyways.

You think this is an exempt?

It's an exemption, I believe.

Okay, thank you, Michelle.

How are you?

How were you?

Good, good, thank you.

Um you're here for 318 Grant Boulevard.

Yes, sir.

Okay.

I guess not.

18 Grant Boulevard.

Oh, hey, there we go.

Sounds good.

Although we let her go ahead of these four, so we are still behind.

But anyway.

Our view was good, so we appreciate that.

Yeah.

Because Michelle said.

I just want to put it.

Okay.

This is an exemption issue?

No, no, this is not.

I thought it was the other one.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

So if you could raise your right hand, state your name for the record.

Uh Miri Tamira.

You affirm to tell the truth and give accurate information to the best of your ability.

Certainly, yes.

Okay, very good.

Um so this here is 318 Grant Boulevard.

Uh let's read some numbers in a uh current tentative assessed value of 11,000 with a land value of twelve thousand eight hundred.

That would be a market value of two hundred and eleven thousand five hundred and thirty-eight dollars.

Okay.

Uh and Anthony is your husband?

Okay.

And uh so he gave you authorization to Yeah, he's recovering from a heart attack, so he gave me authorization.

Okay.

I'm sorry to hear that.

I hope you for quick recovery.

Uh okay.

So all I have is the application in here.

And I will turn it over to you.

Okay, awesome, thank you.

Um, so the reason that I'm here, and I have my notes here.

Um 318 Grant Boulevard is assessed higher than comparable parties or properties, and I included that list on the back of the um application, so you should have that.

Uh yes, uh, I do have that, and I'll pull it out now.

Okay.

So when we did a comparison of the property assessed values and sale prices on that assessment roll, um they're obviously much lower than 3018 Grant Boulevard.

Um, and the estimated market value of 318 Grant Boulevard from the assessor is much higher than a potential sale.

Now on this form that I completed where I we indicated, you know, market value kind of 150,000.

To frankly, I think that's high.

The neighborhood has gone downhill.

I don't even know, frankly, what we could sell it for.

Because if you look at the list that I uh provided with the form, you know, the comparable properties that have sold, um, you know, they've been kind of all over the Richter scale.

If we do a comparison with Lemoyne Avenue, you know, their assessment was sixty thousand.

The square footage is about the same as ours.

That's just uh let me just interrupt if I could.

Where what's the nearest cross street of 3018?

Um Wolf Street and then Lemoine Ave.

So it's on the the bottom half towards the um by the Metz studio or stadium.

All right.

All right, so this is down near Metz Stadium, hence uh your comps of Lemoine Turtle, Wolf, and first north.

Yes, yes, okay, good.

That's why you do that.

Um, and obviously the assessed value of 110,000, it's like double of what it was like several years ago.

I think several years ago, it might have been like 55 or 56.

I did not bring that with me.

And if you look at the um the assessed values of the capital properties that I provided, you know, they go it goes anywhere from 47,000 to like sixty-four thousand.

So we definitely are assessed way too high.

So tell me about the property.

The property has not been updated.

So um it's not modern, it's not a modern kitchen, no one is living in it.

We haven't rented it.

Um, so hold your thought there.

Sure.

Uh it's a two-family house.

Yep.

Uh both flats are vacant.

Why?

Because it's hard to find good tenants, and we are getting out of that renting.

My husband had the heart attack, and we're just not interested in that anymore.

It's not for sale, it's just vacant.

Okay.

Um size of the apartments.

Uh they're small, so it's like a two-bedroom, one bath.

Um they're small.

Both of them symmetrical.

Yes.

So two bedroom, one bath, any garage.

Uh yes.

How many car?

I don't know.

Probably more than one, but it's not being used.

Okay.

Okay.

Um it was kind of, can I say it was kind of weird to me to see that the assessed value went up so extremely high.

Um, you know, based on the condition of the property in the area.

So I thought that was just weird.

So that's why we're here.

Or that's why I'm here.

My daughter's with me.

And I'm sure she's thrilled.

You want to come up and say anything?

No, okay.

Uh and thoughts.

I wish the the Tom so we it was re it was increased by uh yeah, back in 24.

Um, I'm gonna I'm looking at the comps and it's it the property's small.

So I would uh recommend at least I'll recommend 95.

I mean I think the sales are up there, unfortunately.

You know, you choose not to rent it.

I I completely understand, but I think the potential is probably still there.

But given that the comps and I'd recommend taking it down to 95 from 10.

Um could I ask consideration to have that um I don't know how that works.

The assessment lower because even if you look, you know, if you look at the comparable properties that we provided here, they're not even in, you know, the 70s, 80s or the 90 range, and those properties are much better than ours in terms of you know the conditions properties.

I did all of my research online.

Okay, so you've seen pictures and all that kind of stuff.

Yeah, so when you know they sold the properties and whatever, they have all the pictures inside and out.

All right.

So and that's in there.

I don't know.

I mean, right now I guess I'm just gonna stick with my.

I mean, there's comps.

Okay, I didn't know how that works.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, so what happens is we take information from you, we take information from the city.

Uh sometimes the city will recommend a number.

I see.

Right?

That doesn't mean that's what the number's gonna be.

Oh, okay.

It could be higher, could be lower, okay.

Just depends on what we find.

Okay, so collectively you're an independent board.

Okay.

Um, you know, we're not representing anybody.

We we uh uh gather all information and then make a decision for that.

Okay, fair enough.

But uh well, definitely the the one thing we can't do is um uh take into consideration that the property's vacant.

Oh sure, and I understood.

And I don't blame you.

Yes.

Uh well, I shouldn't say I don't blame you.

I don't I I would do this, I have done the same thing.

Yes, right.

Um so in that regard, uh, you know, it is what it is.

Well, and again, you know, with my husband's health, we're we're just and to be honest with you, I think we're gonna be hard pressed to sell the house.

You know, because even look even looking at you know how these properties have been sold and the amount, you know, like I said, I put 150, but I I don't know that we would even get that.

I wonder sometimes if we would get like 120, you know.

Well, I'll tell you, it's uh the the market is good for two families.

The rents are outrageous.

Yeah, I don't know.

Um maybe it's the area.

I don't know.

Do you know when these sold?

Oh yeah, they're re um it's all recent, so it would have been in the 2025 or year 2025.

All right, good.

Yeah, because I figured we have to look at recent sale, not prior.

Absolutely.

Um so yeah, no, that's good.

The city's uh submitted some information as well, but you've done some good research, which we'll take a look at uh and uh uh take everything into consideration.

Uh and then uh the city will send you a notice first week of April.

Very nice uh but yeah, thank you for coming in.

Yeah, thank you for listening.

I hope we have a good spring, right?

Yes, absolutely.

All right.

So we have a spring.

I know the winter was very hard.

I will be honest with you.

All right, good evening.

You come back again, just tell your daughter not to talk.

So she's a talker in the family.

I'm surprised she stays so moral support.

There you go.

Very good.

You did a good job.

Uh okay.

So these two there's a lot of people.

So if anybody has to put the rest of the feel you need to go off.

Okay.

Okay.

I know.

Uh restroom break, uh, if that's okay.

Then I'll call you guys up.

Right.

We've got the use of that.

But it seems like something else.

Right.

Sometimes it does.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There it's it.

They could put it in here.

Yeah.

Oh, okay.

And they have basically.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Tiny house that we have.

Oh.

Right.

So we have four properties.

Okay.

Are there any particular order that you want them uh read in and discussed?

Um probably do the two Ericsson's first, I would say.

Uh first.

122 Yeah, either way.

Okay.

And then five twenty-three South Collingwood and one twelve Crestline.

Yeah, okay.

All right, I'm gonna swear you both in in one second here.

Let me just find out where we are here.

Okay.

Uh if you could both raise your right hand.

Uh state your name for the record.

Do you affirm to tell the truth and give accurate information to the best of your ability?

I do.

Okay.

Very good.

Uh are you any relation to George?

He's your father?

Okay.

Oh, very nice.

Uh okay.

So we've got one thirty-nine Erickson Street.

Let me just read in some numbers.

Uh it's a one-family house.

Uh current tentative assessed value sixty-eight thousand dollars with a land value of fourteen thousand.

Uh that would be a market value of a hundred and thirty thousand seven hundred and sixty-nine dollars.

Uh petitioner believes the fair market value is fifty thousand dollars, and that would be an equitable assessed value of twenty-six thousand.

We've got all we've got is the application in here.

And uh this is owned by all these properties are owned by you.

Right.

Okay.

Uh okay, what can you tell us about uh one thirty-nine Ericsson?

One family house uh what's it rented for?

It's not rented.

Okay, none of them are rented.

None of them are okay.

Um one thirty-nine I've had for a while.

I started to redo it years ago.

I bought the house in oh eight.

And um needs to be done again.

Needs a roof.

Um size needs to be done.

It wasn't finished.

Um back bedroom.

Uh there's no kitchen in the house.

Um most of the house was gutted before um she rock, new insulation.

Um I bought it, they updated the power.

Um so it was a it was a good start, but um you you you purchased it when?

Oh eight.

You purchased it in 08.

Has it ever been rented?

No.

No.

Well, not really, no, not to where um her father, her name.

Not where he was getting income for it, basically.

I my dad and he lived there for time.

Okay, okay.

Uh and uh your dad passed away.

I'm sorry to hear that.

Um okay, so is there a plan in place as far as yeah, the plan yeah, because it's as you know, obviously with four properties, the taxes are killed.

I mean, they really are.

Yeah, well, especially if they're all vacant.

And yeah, no, they and they are you can see from the pictures, all the pictures are literally, you know, just taken.

Um I have pictures.

Uh okay, there's none in here.

Um that sounds good.

Um so you just been paying the taxes on the property.

Are the taxes current?

Oh, yeah.

Okay, so the taxes are all current.

Um all of them.

On all of them.

Um and so all right, so I guess what's the plan for this one?

Um she's gonna end up buying the house or actually hold that thought just for one second.

Were these increases in Eastwood was was increased, yes.

So this went from sixty thousand to sixty-eight thousand.

Okay.

Sixty sixty thousand to sixty-eight thousand.

Okay.

Uh okay, I'm sorry, go ahead.

Which if didn't need a roof and was finished inside, I'd be okay with uh, you know, definitely.

Because that sixty-eight would put it at um hundred and thirty.

Or thirty-seven sixty games.

And and that's about you know, if I if i you could definitely probably get 130 for it if it was up to par and you know everything was done, but um, I mean, you guys obviously know how much roofs cost.

Every one of them's got the old style shingles on them.

Um you're thinking, are you thinking with all of them that you would uh like it to go well not necessarily?

Okay.

Um different.

Each one was a different because I one was bought through Land Bank, um, the next one was bought through Land Bank.

And uh I had actually met with um I I had an an increase um two years ago, two or three years ago, and I met with uh she would probably know the the guy that works with her.

Joe.

Is it Joe, older guy?

Oh, probably Ed or Tom.

Um, yeah.

Yeah.

No, I think it was Ed the older guy.

Yeah.

And uh because we I met with him, and that's when um he did um 30 on the one that had the fire.

Um that's the Collingwood house that I bought.

Bought Collingwood and Crestline the same year.

Um bought Crestline and then Collingwood was a deal.

It was you know, something I couldn't pass up.

Um but I he could come he walked through the houses, he looked at every one of them to see exactly what they were.

And uh um and we kind of just you know, he said until you get them done, this is you know where we were.

And they weren't far off.

The original numbers weren't far off from what I paid, they were a little higher than what I paid, but you know, they were close.

What was that?

Oh we'll go to all right, we'll go to the crestline uh uh in a little bit.

Um and uh okay, so do you have a time frame with respect to as fast as I can because like I said, no the taxes are just I mean ever I I dare I pay over just in these taxes over 12,000.

And that's just you know it's a chunk.

Absolutely to have nothing, you know, and I mean you gotta think.

Let's see.

Did did you say you were gonna purchase it or something?

She's gonna end up buying the house.

After it's renovated?

Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

Um I know you I know you're saying as soon as possible, but again, it's been vacant since 2008.

No, she's they they've lived there, her and her dad lived there.

Oh, okay.

We've lived there, we just didn't give him an income because I was I worked at Tony's family restaurant on a single mom.

Five or three days are like something that's down.

So the house needs a lot of repairs for my son as well.

So it's just getting everything where it needs to be on the house.

Okay.

But I I pr I I stayed I stay at the house basically.

Okay, so you're you're actually so it's livable.

But but I mean, you know.

I don't have a kitchen, I don't have a kitchen.

Yeah, I don't have like your daughter lives right down the street.

My daughter lives five houses down, so but uh so you're making it work.

I yeah, I I don't, you know, it's just like random kind of.

My stuff is there basically.

Okay, all right, fair enough.

Uh Ann.

Again, uh all these houses are vacant.

I mean, I know there needs to be I looks like he did uh lower a couple of them.

He did lower, I don't know if you want to wait and just do one at a time, but um again, it went up if there's no talk about all of them, which is okay.

Yeah, I mean the ad did reduce some of them.

Um Joe is increasing.

Right.

I mean, uh not knowing that they were vacant.

Um but again, I don't know.

I mean, the taxes are paid, so uh it's up to the board, but we did look at a couple of them and lower them and give you a chance.

In theory, that unfinished assessment's supposed to be a year, like to give you a year.

Uh it looks like these were lowered um on the basis of the city.

And he walked through right.

Because one um was lowered to let's see, forty eight.

The one uh Collingwood was lowered to thirty, and that was that's the one they had to fire, right?

Correct.

You know, Collingwood had the fire.

Yeah.

I paid twenty-two for it.

So I mean it's it's a complete.

I mean, it literally there's it needs everything top to bottom.

I mean, staircases burnt in the house.

I mean everything.

If you want to read them, you know, read all of them in.

And I d I guess I I I have comps, but not knowing that there's there's no income being generated, and that one doesn't have a kitchen.

I live by Cressline.

I pass it multiple times a week.

It's it's a dust.

Let me just uh let me read the other three in.

Uh and then we can get some all encompassing here, maybe uh um but but yeah, I understand what you're saying, and now I know the backstory and uh uh as far as uh Ed lower and Joe increasing.

Uh now we got some other information and so on and so forth.

So uh that the assessor may not have known.

Just need some work, it needs a roof.

Yeah, it's just that uh uh we just you know we gotta move that envelope to get the wheels turning, I guess.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

Um because the city can't subsidize uh uh uh the situation with the lower taxes forever type thing.

No, I I get it, and and I do people breaking in and taking stuff that's already done.

Well, we're gonna yeah, we're gonna somebody see all the copper out of the house.

You know, one of the uh one of the neighbors probably because there was drug addicts living out back, so we assume that that's where it was.

You know, but let me uh let me just read the rest in and then we'll go from there.

Um so we got one twenty-two, Erickson.

122 is the land bank house I bought.

Um originally bought it with my father.

Let me let me just read it in though as far as number.

That's all right, as far as numbers are concerned.

Um then I'm gonna actually uh read the other two in.

And then we'll go back for some detail.

Um so we've got 122 Erickson.

Uh we've got a current tentative assessed value of 85,000 with a land value of 14,900.

That's gonna be a market value of 163,462.

Okay.

Let me just read the other two in.

And then we'll come back.

Uh 523 South Collingwood have one family.

Um the uh the one I just read in that's a one family also, one twenty-two.

122 Erickson.

Uh okay, we've got a one family here, 523 South Collingwood.

Uh current tentative assessed value of 32,000 with a land value of 13,700.

Uh that would be a market value of 61,538.

Uh, believes the fair market value is 22,000 with an assessed value of eleven thousand four hundred and forty dollars.

Just based on what I paid for.

Okay.

And 112 Crestline Drive is a one family.

Current tenant of assessed value 51,000 with a land value of 16,900.

That would be a market value of $98,000.

$77.5,000, and that would be a assessed value of $23,400.

Okay.

So I think we talked enough about $139.

$122.

There was a robbery there.

No, no, $122.

Yeah, $122 is the land bank house I bought.

That's right.

And when did you purchase that?

I purchased uh what my dad bought it originally and through through land bank, and then I bought it from him through Land Bank.

Um I believe two was the last deed.

I don't have a uh price on it, and then 19 before that, and then 18.

So did he buy it from the land bank in 19?

Oh, that sounds about right.

23 was the last one.

Yeah.

And I bought it in 23.

I figured it was like two years ago.

Um, yeah, because it was the end of the year, so two and a half years ago.

Um and I've done all the work to the house.

Um that's gonna be the first one to get done.

Um only because of the land bank situation.

I'm still even behind with land bank.

Um yeah, time plan.

Yeah, I had a couple I had a dumb issue where um the they put a stop work order on the house because the city lost all the permits.

They had they they told me to I can't I have paperwork that shows I had a stop worker on the house because um they didn't have any of the permits for the furnace for the hot water tank or the electrical, and my dad did it, and we we hired it out, and it was all done through you know, professional good named people, and uh he ended up having to straighten that all out, and from what I'm aware of is it got straightened out, but they had originally put a stop worker order on me, and they're like we don't have anything, which wasn't true because if that was the case, I would put the furnace in, I would have put a hot water tank in.

If if I wanted to go that route, but what do you think the time frame is on that?

That's gonna be definitely soon because um have to because of the land bank.

Land banks, I don't know where it's at if they're gonna be trying to uh file paperwork against me or whatnot.

Yeah, so but a lot of work's done on the house, um, waiting for weather to break so I can paint outside, um, put new windows in outside.

It is gonna need a roof.

I wasn't expecting the roof, but um it's got older shingles on it, and I got a you know, a few of them that are coming off.

Um got to do some foundation work a little bit, but that's not a big deal for me.

Um kitchen needs a kitchen, um, all brand new she rock in the house, brand new furnace, brand new hot water tank.

Um, so it just needs to be finished up.

Um as far as let's see, where's 122?

The 163.

I just don't see it with that house.

I mean, not with without you know, doing new siding, you know, and that's okay.

Let's uh I do believe some of these houses done are $200,000 houses, you know.

But to be a $200,000 house, it has to be perfect.

I mean, it has to be, you know, I watch the market.

I I know Steven Skinner, I do a work for Skinner.

Um, he buys everything, and I'm sure you guys know who he is.

Um, you know, so I do know what you know everything goes for and realistic on it.

Um you gotta to get to that point, you gotta you know, either do a lot of the work yourself or either way, you're still spending money to do it.

So are you I was gonna ask uh um you're so you don't work on these during the day, they're secondary because you're working for Skinner.

No, no, no, no.

I I've done work for Skinner like paving work and stuff before.

Just some work, not very little work.

I don't I don't work work for him.

I work like if he needs a job done.

If he if if he's doing a job, you know, he'll he'll call me in the summertime to look at it and you know, um, give him an estimate on it.

Okay.

But yes, no, these um I work on them when I can.

Um my mom's 82, so that can't you?

I've been helping her a lot, so everything has been pushed to the side.

She comes first, you know, so out of everything.

82 years old, she runs me crazy going to appointments.

So uh okay, how about 523 South Collingwood?

523, that's uh that's the house I had the fire.

I bought that the same year I bought the Cressline house.

It was kind of like didn't really have the money, but it was the right price.

And um what's the current condition of that?

There was a fire in the house.

So it's recently no, um, when I bought it, and uh it's still all the way it is, um boarded up windows.

It's the only one house I have that has you know that's boarded up.

Um so the plan that is uh uh probably after uh so one thirty-nine is first up.

Uh no, it'll go probably one twenty-two one one twenty-two is the land bank house, gotta get that done.

It's the closest is getting done.

Um probably least amount of money I would say.

Um as far as everything um besides kitchen and you know, windows and stuff.

It's gonna take some money, but not you know, the other ones like um the crestline house needs everything.

The roof, it needs all new plywood, needs everything, needs furnace, hot water tank.

Someone stole all the copper out of the house, needs a complete kitchen, needs a complete bathroom, it needs everything.

Um but it's got beautiful hardwoods, and you know, some of the walls are nice.

It's got a beautiful stone, you know, chimney and or you know, fireplace and chimney in it.

So it's kind of pluses and minuses, but to get to that point.

Yeah, yeah.

Um again, like he said, uh all these houses are probably worth a buck fifty to two hundred if they were fixed up.

I I I'm gonna leave there's comps here again.

We didn't I knew Crestline was vacant.

I didn't know about the other ones.

Um I don't know how, you know, it's a lot of work.

It's a lot of moving pieces for houses, getting them all fixed up.

Obviously, the land bank, there's some, you know, uh qualifications to to um I'm gonna the one the one on Collingwood uh is is only assessed it was a it was raised two thousand, so it was thirty thousand, now it's thirty-two thousand with an unfinished.

Um I'm leave it to the board.

I mean again, all these comps are properties that have sold nothing that's vacant.

Um obviously there's nothing to to capitalize and no nothing's coming in, so um it's just it's a lot of work and a lot of money.

Yeah.

A lot of money.

When was the fire on Collingwood?

Um, I don't know, because it was before I bought it.

Um but I bought it I believe in their 22.

Maybe if you bought it the same time year, but it was 22.

23.

23.

23, yeah.

I believe it was the end of 23.

You can look it up if you want.

Yeah, that's okay.

Well, I think we can we can find that.

Um just putting them in their respective folders.

Um what we'll do is we'll we'll take everything that you have uh presented as well as the city.

And then get we'll get the pictures from Joe and put those in there.

Yeah, and we'll talk to Joe also.

Okay.

Uh and uh see what he has to say based on uh the information of the current condition as opposed to uh what he might have known when he put the uh values on the properties.

I think that makes sense.

Yeah.

I don't think you guys are far off with them.

I mean uh obviously like you said, the one went up two thousand.

Um you know the other one, um let's see.

Um you know the other one um let's see up much the two Ericksons they went up quite a bit um you know and the one was based off of the number he was telling me was um the let's see that one was at 75 and that was what he felt like it was finished was worth and because of he um Ed gave me that number because he said that was based off of it should be done within that year time frame of the land bank you know and believe me last thing I want to deal with is having land bank trying to take a house I got put some money into it.

I got a lot of money into it.

Yeah yeah absolutely no I would definitely start on that for sure.

Oh it is it's it's I mean it's no I mean start start on that to finish it.

Correct yeah no it is because I mean they're um basically needs kitchen like I said I got to paint the outside windows um not too much to make land bank happy but it's just um I'm I know they've I've talked to Caitlin on it before and I know they've already started the process of so it's it's a matter of money you know and money's not there you know and you can only do what you can do.

You know that's true absolutely your dad can you know now we don't talk that's a lot of the whole the whole big mess with me buying him out of the house I didn't want my it was my house and I found the house and I paid him what was what he had invested in it and that was it.

So I worked for him for 30 years and walked away.

So just to give you an idea of the the mess I got thank you I know the mess I got it's a it's kind of a mess but you know all right well let's uh we'll uh take everything into consideration and then the city will send you four notices or separate notices uh first week of April.

Okay thank you for coming in appreciate it yes okay 2217 25 East Fayette Street full exemptions that one is a brand new I didn't even see how are you good evening we'll get uh do you want to come up if we get you share yeah oh yeah yep just gonna get the file back here and uh this is the file yeah so we got uh yeah yeah that there okay good sweet can you uh slide on good there not bad a little make shift okay thank you all right so again uh this is 2217-25 East Fayette Street and it it sounds like this is a uh full exemption request well I'm not sure yeah if we can get it for sure that that's okay that's what you're uh petitioning okay uh let's see here okay uh all right then let's uh let me read this in 2217-25 East Fayette Street yes that would be good I appreciate that uh very good um so let me uh uh if you can raise your right hands state your name for the record Barbara Madison Admin Mattis James Mathis you for him to tell the truth and give accurate information to the best of your ability yes okay very good thank you Bill thank you um we'd have to have you come back see if I didn't I know you wouldn't be very happy about that Bill thank you again thanks Bill Thanks Bill uh okay so um this was a mixed use uh building four apartments in a barber shop uh closed at least ten years ago and everything removed uh remains empty now currently um I'm gonna read some numbers in just so we have them uh we have a current tentative assessed value of seventy two thousand dollars that would be a land value of twenty three thousand two hundred um

I'm gonna read some numbers in just so we have them.

Uh we have a current tentative assessed value of $72,000.

That would be a land value of $23,200.

Um looks like the petitioner believes the fair market value is $250,000.

Do we have an assessed value on that?

Assessment is the seven is the 72,000.

Right.

What's the assessment based on 250?

120, 127, 128, 130.

Are you doing it?

Uh assessed value on 250,000.

Be about, I don't know, 135.

Oh, 130, 130.

Okay.

Uh, and then I will just add that the full market value on 72,000 is 138,000 462.

Okay.

Um, so what is the situation on this property?

So um I currently serve as the pastor for the church next door we own it.

Um, and when I you own the property next door to this.

Correct, yes.

And when did you purchase this, which is the church?

Which is the church, yes.

And and when did you purchase this?

So this property was purchased back in 1996, well before I came here.

So I've only been here for about uh 10 years in June.

So the original plan for the property was to utilize it for um classroom space and uh some other enrichment uh activities for the church, but um uh for whatever reason never really got to that point of being utilized uh for that.

So um I would say about a year year ago or so.

Yeah, um we we've been in prayer about actually utilizing the space for what it was originally purchased for.

So at this time we haven't had uh tenants since September of 2025, and uh and so our goal in moving forward is to utilize it for community purpose, for um I mean outreach we have and and all of those sorts of things.

If I could just number 10 on the application is not filled out, like what is the intent of the use of the property?

So that needs to be filled out.

Um is it is it currently vacant?

Currently vacant, yeah.

There's no one there.

And there's no apartment.

What what's in there?

Is there an apartment in there?

So basically, right now the space is there are just rooms that are are in there, no kitchens.

I mean, there is there is like kitchen space in there, but four kitchens, not four kitchens, no.

There's actually two two kitchens because there it's a four-unit, so there's two kitchens the other units do not have.

Uh they have space for kitchens, but but they're not actually fully functioning.

And who was it rented to?

So previously it was rented to um uh uh tenant his name was Jules Stewart.

So uh uh he didn't have anything to do with the church, no, not at all.

It was just straight up uh rental rental property, yes.

And that's why it wasn't exempt at that time.

I don't believe they've ever asked for an exemption, have they?

No, yeah.

This is our first time.

Okay, yes.

Um was vacant since September.

Uh what is the plan?

Yeah, so the plan now is to um utilize the space for uh for ministry.

Um we actually have a a women's group that will will meet there for Bible study, they'll meet there for classes.

So when is that gonna start?

So the the plan is actually to start in the next month or so.

Um right now, the women's group that meets, they um are currently meeting next door in the church, but uh they will move their things next uh to this particular property and utilize space there.

Okay and that's supposed to take place in the next month.

Correct.

March, April.

Okay.

And what's the hold up?

There is no hold up.

There's no hold up at all.

We are just now really kind of getting our getting uh after the snow and all the things, uh getting uh things going with that.

So yeah.

Thank you.

Okay.

Can I come and take a look at it?

Sure.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

How about that?

Yeah, that'd be good.

If you want to take a walk through, yeah.

That would be yeah, that would be a good idea.

And then you your contact information's on that application, right?

Um my correct.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah, that would be good.

So we'll just note it uh uh that you're gonna take a walk through.

Okay.

All right, that sounds good.

And I didn't mean what's the hold up.

Oh no, it's just because it was bacon in September.

Sure, sure.

And uh I can't snowed and it snowed and it snowed today.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yes, yeah, yeah, and I will say, like it has been like vacant with the last tenant, but prior to that tenant we hadn't rented out previously either, so he was the only one there for a long time because we were making the decision to transition back to um just like more church enrichment and community focus.

Um in the bottom of the church where the barbershop used to be, we also like throughout the summer, we host like several community events, so like we do our community cookout, like the back to school giveaway, clothing drives and things like that from that space as well.

So we have been using it like kind of dual already for community purposes.

Um and he was the last tenant and the tenant before him, like we decided like that was it, right?

That was it.

So we um outside of him, we hadn't rented to anybody else either.

Okay, oh that's good information.

That's no that that sounds good.

The uh and I know it's the intent on January 1st.

Uh so I think we've established that.

Yeah, I just like to put my eyes on it and just get a feel for what's there.

Sure.

Okay, all right.

That sounds good, and you know how to contact and uh are you gonna reach out or share?

Yeah, I'll reach out.

Yeah.

And I'm sorry, your name is Ann Gallagher.

Okay.

Yep.

All righty.

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't have a pretty nice the nameplate.

We're excited to have it.

I think it'll be good to get your eyes on it.

I think I got a good idea.

Do you?

Yeah.

I don't want one.

It's okay.

For uh uh retirement, you know, that's where I was going, but I didn't want to make it public record like you did.

Anyway, uh yeah, so uh thank you for coming in.

Ann will reach out to you.

Okay.

Uh she'll get in there and uh take a look and you know um we didn't make any decisions at this point, but it sounds like um it's gonna be good for you.

Okay, good.

All right.

Thank you.

Thank you for coming.

I'll be in touch in the next couple days.

Okay, okay.

And then the city will send you a notice first week of April.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Uh 720 Beach Street.

Looks like we're gonna need another chair again, Bill, if you can.

How are you?

How are you?

Okay.

Okay.

So again, you're here for 720 uh Beach Street.

720 Beach Street.

Okay, very good.

Uh exemption also.

Uh all right, I guess I'll uh uh read some numbers in, but I'm gonna swear you in first, if that's okay.

You can raise your right hands.

Uh state your name for the record.

State your name for the record.

Okay.

Okay, very good.

Do you affirm to tell the truth and give accurate information to the best of your ability?

Okay, thank you.

Um so this is an exemption issue.

Uh so we have a current tentative assessed value of uh six hundred and one thousand dollars.

Six six oh one six hundred.

Six hundred and one thousand six hundred hours.

With a land value of thirty-three thousand nine hundred uh that would be a market value of one million one hundred and fifty-six thousand nine hundred and twenty-three dollars.

Yeah, we don't have any information on uh from the petitioner because this is is this a full exemption request.

Uh all right, and then we've got the application in here.

What can you tell us about the uh the property?

What what's the situation?

Was this uh originally exempt and they're new owners.

New owners.

Correct.

Yeah.

Okay.

Um I reviewed the paperwork.

Um yesterday.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean everything seems to be um and you're using it currently already, right?

Yeah, yeah.

So I they they were just late, so it was a late filing.

Yes.

And uh everything looks up to snuff as far as you're concerned.

Okay.

Um I would suggest you say nothing.

Maybe have a good anybody humor?

No.

So go ahead and go to town with Spanish.

No problem.

Uh but no, all kidding aside, uh, looks like the uh city assessor has uh uh reviewed the information and it looks like everything's in good order.

Um so uh the city will send you a notice first week of April.

I mean if there's anything you want to add, that's fine.

Um but uh I think sounds sounds like you're in good shape.

That's good.

All right.

Thank you.

Don't you go down the stairs?

I obey.

God bless you.

Thank you so much.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Thank you for coming in.

Thank you.

Uh and I would say with that.

Um I think that's the last petitioner for the night.

Um so uh with that we'll close the meeting.

Oh, that's right.

I'm sorry.

Um so we will be here until eight o'clock for any walk-ins uh that wish to uh commit.

Thank you.

Yeah, thank you, Michelle.

Uh I will hold on to this.

I'll give you this.

That's it.

Glad you're here.

Well tell you.

I was gonna try to learn it.

Oh yeah, right.

I think you get very

Um so it's uh eight p.m.

and I will go ahead and close out the meeting for this evening.

Thank you very much.