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So we're gonna start our session.

Thank you everybody for joining us.

If um council, so let's see.

Uh we'll see parts here.

Counselor Just Rousser, would you take the parks uh items?

I mean, I'm sorry, the education.

Council Dallas Rowser standing there for Rashida Codwell.

She has item number nine.

Um council Rick I'll see director of human resources.

Um item nine is to enter into one year another one-year agreement with Excelis.

Um we traditionally run three plus one plus one in our contracts.

Excelis rose wrote us a contract for six years.

Um so extending one more year will allow us to take advantage of savings that they built in five years ago that they were not prepared for.

So um, or not necessarily not prepared for that they didn't count for happening this year.

So um it'll save us a bunch of money and our cohort with um outside buying partners have all agreed that um the savings for this outweigh the uh I think we were gonna RFP after that.

Correct, we'll start the RFP because then both of our contracts are technically done.

Um so we're just keeping up with their contract for the savings, and then we'll RFP starting in January um for July of next year.

So since you're keeping up with the RFP for the savings, do you have a dollar amount as of yet what the savings would be?

It uh we anticipate it being millions for this year.

Um millions?

Yeah.

Because it's how many millions?

Well, between all of our partners, I think it's somewhere in the neighborhood of like eight and a half million dollars, and then it's split up between um us, the school district, and the county.

Between who the school district and the county, yes.

And a clarification, we do self-fund, right?

Correct, we're self-insured.

We're self-insured.

And that is the three combined contracts for self-insured.

Correct.

Yeah, we pay them to administer the contract or the the insurance for us.

Yeah.

Does that mean that we get to set the deductibles that we want for the services that we want in the contract that we want?

Yes and no.

It's m uh so there we can, but there's a lot of layers to that.

Um so who so we are splitting called between city school district?

Who else?

In the county.

We're in the county, the buying consortium, yeah.

Okay.

So how is that is that that by percentage of employees or how is it split?

Well, so it's essentially how many belly buttons that we're putting on our plan is the easiest way to put it.

So the more belly buttons we put on our plan, the more savings we get.

Um, and so the three of us buying together reduces our cost for the administration of the plans um because we're considered one giant group, even though we're we have separate plans and all of that.

Have we surveyed city staff to see if the plan is working for them and or what they would like to see for the next round?

We haven't done a formal survey, and then the the plan won't change in the next round, it's just who administers it.

Understood.

Um, but we have we don't have complaints about our insurance currently.

We haven't asked people for their feedback.

Well, I mean people are pretty vocal when they're not happy.

If they're not happy, I mean we went through the whole prescription thing, and yeah, yeah.

For the moment, excellence is the only option, right?

Is that I mean we could RFP, but we would lose out on savings for the consortium.

Yeah, they wrote these savings in five years ago, and so the market has changed drastically, and this would allow us to keep those savings.

So talk about uh about pro act that's a prescription plan.

Correct.

Um has there ever been discussion with Pro AC if they want to do a 90-day supplies that people coming every 30 days, you know.

Yeah, Pro Act offers that there's a they offer a whole variety of um options.

We can't force people to take a 90-day script.

No, but they they allow a 90-day script, they allow mail, they allow monthly whatever um they have a whole bunch of options.

All right, so you say there is an option mail or okay, thank you.

Thank you.

Any other questions or anything else?

No, all right.

All right, thank you very much.

Thank you, Councillor Mike.

Thank you, madam president.

I have item 10 to 3.

Uh Commissioner.

So for item 10 and 11, just before we get into it, could you just give an overview to somebody listening what this is?

Go ahead.

Number 10?

Yeah.

Number 10 is for bonding for the chlorine conversion out at Scene Atlas Lake.

Right now we're using um gas, which was put in in the early 90s, which is obsolete.

Um, it's considered now a hazard material.

Um, we're looking to convert over to hypo, which we use at our reservoirs at Woodland and Westcott, switching over to a liquid form instead of a gas form.

Um New York State Health Department EPA recommendations that we we we come up with a plan to remove the gas.

Um, and we're looking to move this forward.

I guess it's been a project that's been talked about for quite a few years, it just hasn't moved anywhere.

Um we're looking to move it forward.

And so I I think it was uh in the last agenda, and part of the reason we held it back was it came in as application and and um agreement and agreement as well.

No, no, right?

It was both no, no, you held it back because you said you was gonna possibly have a committee meeting.

Okay, so but but the other piece, okay.

So thank you.

So the other piece is you said that this has to also accompany as we apply, right?

So to apply for a grant, you have to have approval to bond for the project, and then you get reimbursement for the grant.

We're a few days short.

Um we sent them a letter saying that we're going to be bonding for it.

Um we do in the application agreement, you always identify the funding source, and that's pretty much what was identified in the legislation that it was gonna be uh um the bonds gonna be identified through bonds.

Right, so so with that identification, do we need to pass this as well since we have already made a pledge?

This is separate, but you guys wasn't planning on not um looking passing it or looking at it.

You just you just was planning on having a committee meeting.

Right.

That's all you was wanting to do.

Yeah, and no, and the reason I asked that uh commissioner is some counselors were trying to instead of passing the bond, we wanted to wait to get the grant to actually get the grant.

And yeah, if we if we're if we don't have approval to bond for the project, yeah.

They're gonna we have to approve the project for to be eligible for the five million dollar grant.

All right, we'll we'll it's five hundred dollars or five million dollars.

It's a five million dollar grant on a ten million dollar project.

That's what we're looking to get.

We submitted the deadline was the 27th.

We submitted it within a letter saying that we're in hopes to get this approved today, no, this week uh during this legislation.

Yeah, I just thought that you said 500 grand and it's in the no five million.

Okay.

So the deal is to even apply, we have to pass this.

Right?

Is that that the idea?

Because I was under the impression that so long as there's an indication that we were going to bond for the rest for the half of it, we don't have to pass it until we get the grant back.

No, I don't believe that.

It's not what we would have to state our intention to do the project, and by passing the bond, we're we're gonna do the project.

And the legislation counselors, that's all I'm saying.

Um I if was like I said, I didn't see that you guys was was gonna hold it until we get the grant.

I mean, being that uh it's a project that the commissioner said need to be done, you guys were gonna just look at this as a project point blank.

You know, the application was gonna be a benefit, you know, if we got that additional.

Because even if we don't get the grant, we have to move forward with this process.

But I'm sorry, it's an easy unhealthy.

Chlorine gas is a hazard to the community of schedule.

So wait, so I'm sorry, you were but we said that you're saying no, it's a human health issue.

If we continue to have chlorine gas on hand, it's it's very dangerous.

No, I I understand that.

I just it's the what I'm not concerned about the issue in itself, it need to be addressed.

It's the process that that getting approved.

And then we hope we get the grant.

Because a grant's not a guarantee.

We're applying amongst other people that are applying for grants as well.

We're hoping because this is such a health and safety issue, you know.

So okay, so you're bonding for the two.

I mean, you would like to vote for the full 10.

Yes.

And what happens if you get the grant?

What happens to the five million of the 10?

That is going to be covered by the grant.

Then we're kind of confused on it.

As far as interim commissioner of finance, um, if we're bonding for 10, it depends if it's a ban uh are we doing a banner bond.

So when we get grant funding, we typically can't double dip.

So my team will have to take a closer look at that and get back to you.

Okay.

Sorry about that.

We don't have we don't have to expend the full amount of the bond.

We would only expend the amount that we would need.

Exactly.

Of the 10 million.

Exactly.

So the project of what you guys are on to exceed.

Yeah, you guys are authorizing a 10 10 what a $10 million project.

That's how much the project's gonna cost, period.

That's how much they're gonna spend on it, whether they get the grant money or not, you know.

So if they get the grant money, five quite five million won't be spent in this area right here, unless they come back to you all and say, hey, can we spend we need additional money?

So if when we don't use because you you seem to know this, Katie, when we don't use the full amount of the bond, how do you get out of it?

Yeah, we don't have to get a wiggle out of it, we just don't use that amount of the bond.

So it's just there if we need it.

Yeah, so we so we can transfer the the you know the bond, the bond, uh yeah, right, exactly.

The bond is gonna if we get if we get if we get the the grant amount and everything, five million dollars that's gonna be five million towards that ten million dollar project.

So we won't we won't we use the other five for anything else we want, yeah.

I mean having to do with water, but if the project ended up being more than five million dollars anything else, it's uh it's just worth for water, but right, but in another aspect of whatever water needs.

No, it only can be the bond only can be used for what is being bonded for, right?

And so if they get that additional five million, they're only they're gonna that that other five million just won't be used.

The city say five million, just like that.

Okay, yeah, and typically our office goes to bond after expenditures incur.

So we will bond for what we've already spent and we were punished.

We do it backwards to avoid any arbitrage issues or holding on bonded money intended for a purpose and not being used.

So that's another we'll have to coordinate with your office.

Okay, right.

Okay, I just didn't know the process, I'm sorry.

And we normally do this, we normally bond for the project amount to give them uh give uh them you know the um uh the ability to start the bids and all that other stuff, you know.

And um it's just this one right here.

The reason why I got confusing because there was application agreement that was put out there for the same purpose because yeah, Petrina, you wanted to add something to that?

No, no, it's okay.

You're okay.

I have two quick questions, sorry, I don't want to leave this, but um b besides the safety improvements that we're gonna see with this.

Um what are the long-term operating or maintenance cost savings?

Do you see any of those or is there going to be increased costs or there'll be some increased costs because hypo is more expensive than gas.

Um not much more for the risk-first reward.

Uh the chlorine gas is the direction everyone I mean, is getting away from it will be more of an expenditure just on our part for the hypo.

And and what is like the life expectancy of this new system?

Do you know?

Four years forty years.

Okay.

All right.

I mean with maintenance and update and stuff like that.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Um the next one is um to purchase vehicles um two SUVs for $94,000 out of our um capital equipment.

Um it's for two SUVs that have I mean they've ran their lifespan for the people that are using them.

They're not won't pass inspection.

And so we're looking to send them off and get two new vehicles.

Does the Department of Water have a fleet vehicle policy?

Are you looking to transition to hybrid or electric, or are you looking what what is your what are what are the major qualifications for replacement?

Are you looking for a haulage?

What can we do to have the least environmental impact and the longest longevity for these new vehicles?

Um, right now we're not using hybrids.

Um I think that's becomes difficulty on the maintenance side of it for the city.

I don't know if we have a lot of people that can work on hybrids um down the road, and we keep these vehicles 10 years or more.

Um right now we use you know basic fuel.

Um we use four-wheel drive V.

Is it a basic package on the SUV?

Yeah.

There's um little extras because we get the lights, the strobes, the everything put into the into the price.

When we pick them up, they're ready to go.

So dump truck, work lip, compressor, back hole, SUVs.

You said you said two SUVs?

Two SUVs, correct?

Listed on the air.

Yeah, right.

It seems like in light of our our climate action plan, it would be a good idea to have an ide to have people who could work on hybrids and maybe be able to save some gas mileage if you're a few years.

I mean, I think that most mechanics know how to work on hybrids these days.

It's not uh it's not a no, we got a shake in the head back.

Trying to find mechanics is the issue that we're having.

I think we're having uh trouble finding a lot of different specializations.

We are citywide.

Um we put them out for bid, we get many bids back on them, and we select the you know what meets our you know purpose for what we're using them for, and that's how we purchase.

We don't get them off of like the state contract or anything like that.

These are just we have county contracts, I believe maybe state contracts.

I'm not sure how that we go through fleet management, you know, we send them over to them, we tell them what they need.

And each individual department bids for these kind of vehicles on their own.

No, fleet management, Jeff Fragolo handles that.

We tell them what we need, he sends them out, he sends us over to select which ones based on you know the bidding.

Oh, I uh all these equipment now or uh already there, right?

Well, they you're just getting new ones.

Right, these are 2021 capital.

This is money we had left in that.

Um we've gotten the dump trucks and the compressors and the backhoes.

I believe this is the SUVs are the last for the expenditure.

Okay, what what year were these SUVs?

The SUVs are new.

No, no, so I thought you were saying you were no this this is a 2021 capital.

This is money that we had left over in that for vehicle purchases that were just finishing.

Two brand new SUVs current one at all.

Oh, you don't have any the ones we have are gone on, yeah, they're not roadworthy.

And counselor, if you notice the money value didn't, I mean the funding for this, it didn't change the only thing.

Right, yeah.

Switched it up with equipment, equipment only for more money, we're just switching what we're purchasing.

Yeah, no, I was just wondering if if switching money and getting new SUVs, are you trading the old one out and bringing new one in?

No, we we use them right to the la last.

I mean the the they're falling completely apart.

There's they won't even pass inspection anymore.

We drive them right to the end of life.

All right.

And what do we do with them?

The ones that are falling apart, what do we do with them?

We send them to auction through a state auction, I believe it is.

What's the average lifespan on these vehicles for us for like SUVs and stuff?

Eight to ten years.

Okay.

All right.

You can't always just keep on patching.

Yeah, and we passed them quite a long time.

Yeah.

They've been passed down through employee after employee after employee quite a long time.

Well, these are for like our underground locator who has a ton of tools he keeps in them.

Um and for you know, we do a lot in the winter, so you know, four-wheel drive is what we kind of look for, you know.

We get called out at all different hours of the night, you know.

So these are most efficient for us.

And we got mid-size he got Marty convinced, but I've seen a Subaru go pretty hard.

I don't think a Subaru would be feasible for a low underground locators.

I'm I'm just suggesting.

I mean, they have a ton of equipment and tools they carry in the back.

I know.

All right.

Any other questions?

I know other questions.

Oh, all right.

Item thank you.

We have 13 to 17 that are waivers of competitive bid and hi, and fordock, first deputy commissioner of Syracuse DPW.

Uh so number 13 is for Binghamton Truck Body Incorporated, and it's reparts and repairs on our packers.

Uh these so they pretty much repairs, right?

Is that 13 to 17?

So all of these actually, 13 through 17 are various companies we use for repairs and parts.

Okay.

And we are waiving the bid because number 13, um, they are number one thing that we send to them are the tippers on the back of the trash carts.

And so we have to get the parts from them, and when it's something that we can't fix, we have to send it back to that manufacturer to get them to fix it.

So they are the only one that can supply that the parts are typically specific to the manufacturer.

So maybe they do that way on purpose, but so 14, if unless you have more questions.

14, um, echelon supply and services, and so hydraulic repair services on parts on various trucks, and um so for that one, it is a waiver for the hydraulics, and um we have talked to county purchasing about this, and there is no contract for hydraulic hoses and fittings that the county you know can refer us to on this.

Um but you know, for what we've found, we would consider these sole source vendors, and that omni's in Syracuse, and so location and availability of parts and pieces, you know, do matter.

So I appreciate that you've tried to find a local vendor.

Yeah, 15 is fleet pride, so drive shafts, axle shafts on medium and heavy-duty vehicles, and um so this is a fleet pride waiver, they are an area sole source vendor for drive shaft and axle shaft repairs.

Um in the past, we had piggybacked on the Monroe County contract for these.

Uh the scope hasn't changed changed drastically.

Um, and so they are in Syracuse, and we have you know investigated other options, but um 15 16, 16 SW services, repair services parts, and fuel keys.

Um and so that is the fuel island uh that we have that everyone uses.

Um, and so that's for fuel tank readings, fuel keys, and um all of those are proprietary to that company.

What's left?

17 Syracuse Truck and Tire Truck and Trailer, um, or Tri-Tank Corporation, and so open and enclosed trailers, and so 17.

We have the waiver for them.

It's they're also called STS, Syracuse truck and trailer.

Um so they sell enclosed trailers, open trailers, fuel tanks, trailer brakes, and lift gates.

There's no contracts or national purchase agreements.

Um they are located in Syracuse, and um they're who we typically use for this.

Any questions?

You'll see me again.

I have more items coming.

So all right, thank you.

Thank you.

Good afternoon, Counselors.

John Kiveland, Department of Engineering.

I have items numbers 18 through 31.

Item number 18 is to accept three street lights being installed by Syracuse University at no cost to the city.

The lights are being installed in the 500 block of University Feature of the maintenance after installment and all of that, right?

Pardon?

They take care of the maintenance and no, we'll once they install them, we'll accept them.

So the city will be responsible for maintenance.

There's street lights.

So they will be owned by the city.

Yes.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

Own and own and maintain.

Own and maintained by the city of Syracuse.

Okay.

All right.

Items numbers 19 and 20 go together.

They're to amend existing uh ordinances for agreement, uh authorization and New York State DOT.

We're switching out local funds of 410,000.

We 410,000 we secured federal funds of that amount.

So we're just switching, switching fund sources.

Items numbers 21, 22, and 23 go together.

They're to amend bonding, uh, an agreement with New York State ATOT and project authorization for the East Calvin Street Paving Project.

Uh we're increasing uh the project cost by 1,032,500.

Uh project costs have increased.

We just went out to bid with our project.

Uh that's why we were seeking additional funds to cover the increased cost of the project.

I know this is off topic, but is there somebody after the meeting that I would like to talk to about counters?

Yeah.

I'll come to you, Councillor.

Items number 24 and 25 go together.

They're to amend uh or sorry, excuse me.

Item number 24 is its own item.

It's uh revolt permission uh to amend an existing revolt permission with uh WLLC to want an operant operate and maintain an existing underground vault.

We're amending it to reimburse uh the company for sidewalk installation and the installation of cafe style lighting in the 100 block of bank alley from a DASNE grant, total cost not to exceed 100,000.

Is Aric here?

Okay.

Um we had a meeting uh last week about this down that so I guess this is the item, right?

Right there by the back bank alley with with uh correct counselor.

Okay.

Yeah, I mean the plan is this this is really needed because when you you look at the um store front uh at the bank alley, the street really needs some tender care is crumbling.

Yeah, the owner's responsible for the vault underneath.

There's a vault underneath a basement underneath the sidewalk.

So he's he's responsible for the structural repairs of the vault, but then the city's going to reimburse him for the actual sidewalk construction above the vault through this grant.

Yeah, I just want to speak in in favor of this because we did have a meeting last week with Eric Ennis, and this area is starting to build up.

There's a new tea house just got built there.

Um, and we have some really good businesses in that corridor, and this is gonna just make such a difference for them and improve the aesthetics and walkability in that area.

So you're good with it on some.

I think it's great.

Okay, uh council.

It's in in it's in good uh council more district.

So mentioned too in an email this morning this morning that he wouldn't be here.

Okay, all right.

Well, thanks, John.

Item number 25 25 is to amend an existing revolt permission to alliance energy transmissions to construct own and operate a 12-inch high pressure gas main.

Uh we're amending it to uh now include installation fine view place as a result of the 81 construction.

They have to move a section of their pipeline into the city's right away.

Uh, we're also amending the the cost for that, and the total cost from the amended uh agreement will be 19,152 a year.

Okay.

Item number 26 is a another revolt permission to Syracuse University to construct own and operate an underground duck bank system in a city lot uh down by Van Buren Street.

Because again, this is a results of the 81 construction.

This area.

Uh the the resulting fee from this permission will be uh 2,565 per year.

Item number 27 is another revolt permission to Syracuse University again to want to operate uh an underground electoral dust bank duck bank system.

Uh the resultant fee from this will be 1,000 four dollars 72 cents per year.

Is it 1000?

Yeah, sorry.

14 all right, I'll go back and look and see.

So 1040 72 cents.

Thanks, Nader.

Sorry, can we go back to 25 for a second?

Yeah, um, the fee structure that's changing that is increased fee structure or decreased fee structure.

It's an increase.

Uh previously was uh 10,649.

Uh increases every year in the consumer price index.

Uh so we've uh increased the cost based on the current computer compute consumer price index and also the section of gas man they're transferring into the city right away is also increased the fee.

Let's see an increase of uh $4,275 just for the installation of Ian View Place.

Have we worked with Alliance Energy Transmissions before?

Uh back in 2013 we did the original uh permission with them at that time we did have a public meeting down in the Syracuse Housing Authority.

Uh those concerns with the public.

We did have a meeting with them when those concerns were addressed back then.

They're concerns about they were just nervous about having a high pressure gas main, they just want to know more about the system.

I I too am concerned about having a high pressure gas main anywhere near residential.

Um have we had any problems with this company?

No, no, they've been due diligent on maintenance.

Diligence it's a regulated company, they're abiding by all the uh current regulations.

We've had no issues with them.

Thank you.

Okay.

So we were on 28.

Item number 28 is to amend an existing ordinance uh for the uh to adopt a negative seeker.

Uh we're just amending it for the creek walk phase three project.

We're just amending it to add uh revised seeker forms.

We're not changing the negative deck declaration, we're just adding the revised forms.

Which section is this?

I'm sorry.

This is from Calvin Street to door one f of the creek walk.

Oh, from Clob into Dorway.

All the way to Dorwan.

So this is the this is the this is a complete creek walk.

Okay.

Items number 29, 30, and 31 go together.

There to amend the existing ordinance for bonding New York State Deal agreement.

Project authorization, adding the detail design phase for 886,000.

This is for the creek walk from Kirk Park to Ballantyne Road.

That goes with 30 as well.

That's uh 29, 30, and 31.

Okay.

Three companion pieces.

Okay.

All right.

And um, I need to confirm what the issues related to the creek walk down there, that portion.

Not that portion, not that portion.

Um that's I was just about to say I need to talk with you for the next portion.

Um is still some questions with residents in that area.

Okay.

All right.

So that's AOC.

Thanks, John.

Thank you.

Thank you.

And the uh item 32.

Deputy Mayor, that you is to confirm and Wardoc has right.

Good afternoon, counselors.

Uh Corey Dunham, Deputy Mayor.

So this is to appoint Anne Fordoc to the vacant position uh that the mayor has for her appointment to the Okra board.

I can't think of a more qualified candidate.

Me neither.

Me neither.

Thank you, Counselor.

Thank you.

And item 33 is a resolution.

Uh thanking the governor for the moratorium on uh data centers.

Um, and then in addition to that, is this resolution is urging the governor to do two things to pass the uh current legislation that was passed by both both the assembly and the Senate uh to pass it before the end of the year because it it's more comprehensive than the moratorium it itself.

So data centers.

It's a big issue, and we want to make sure we move quickly in terms of regulating it better.

I'd like to be on board.

I'd like to be on there.

We would vote we would like to be on board.

Oh, absolutely.

Absolutely.

I think it can be wonderful.

Absolutely.

Okay.

And we are also working with the county to see if they could do their portion as well.

But thank that's it.

That's it.

Was that short enough?

Okay, thank you.

Thank you, Counselor.

Uh, Councillor Aaron Rick.

Thank you, Madam President.

I have items 34 through 36.

Good afternoon, Council.

Saisha Bird, Commissioner Parks.

Number 34 is the bond ordinance authorizing 1.7 million dollars for Westminster stairs reconstruction project.

35 is the authorization of that bond, which includes um 450,000 from one account, 250,000 from another, 600,000 from New York State Danny grant.

Um, with a total project cost of three million.

Three million.

So have we already selected um someone to do the construction of the stairs?

Um, no, it just no, we haven't.

We have not.

All right, yeah.

So we think the three million is gonna be the cap.

I mean, are we pretty confident we're not gonna go over that?

I believe so.

Okay.

That's that's never um I did send some questions in the email.

I'm not sure.

Did you respond to those?

About the yeah, I thought I sent an email back about it.

It's just um construction um documents that we have worked on and worked with one contractor to do that work.

Um currently, I mean, we have done some research on grants, but the ones that we keep coming upon don't cover um total reconstruction.

Not that I asked some questions after.

It was about um, so we have so you haven't selected a contractor, so we haven't done an RFQ or RFD.

Nope.

Um, so I guess that's the thing.

I sweep only the the amount is based solely on um concrete, is what I was asking.

It is so we have the price for um slabs.

Um they're more expensive.

I I believe, and I can confirm with Josh, they're more expensive than for than like uh up, bring the holes down the hill and spray the concrete, right?

It's heavier to lift those slabs, it requires more labor, it's more costly.

So this is the I believe the cheapest material we could rebuild the stairs with that would last.

One more question.

What is the timing of the what is your projected timing to start this project?

You think the the goal is spring?

Well, I mean, our timeline has over the over the last couple years have moved a lot, so it would be spring.

As they move the cost, it moves as well.

Well, yeah, it gets because materials are more expensive.

Yeah.

Any other questions?

So go out to bid in the winter so that we could start in the spring.

Thank you very much, Commissioner.

You're welcome.

And 36.

You know, the the whole bid process.

You know, it could come in under the three million, could come in, could come in anywhere, right?

Who are the local firms that might bid on a project like this?

You're more knowledgeable in the firms.

Joshua Cox, uh landscape designer planner of the parks department.

Uh, we have several uh possible contractors who've reached out to us just to get interest just to express their interest on the project.

Um, a lot of our bids, we're getting a lot of responses back with them.

Um so we're confident that we could find a local contractor that meets the city's requirements.

Oh, a lot of local contractors.

Okay, thank you.

Any other questions?

Moving on to number 36 is um authorization for agreement with Anadaga County on behalf of parks for the deer intake management um program not to exceed 45,100 three dollars and ten cents.

Okay.

And I know you're gonna ask how many deer less.

No, no, I just don't ask.

It's just I was waiting for every shit.

Chris on the park side, Chris Habbott has been managing um and partner with both Greg and Eric to manage the DER and take program.

Just a side note, I hit one of the throughway the other day.

I could have donated to you.

What are you saying again?

I hit one on the three way to donate.

It goes to food banks so that someone could be distributed.

No questions?

Commissioner, I have a question.

Um we had talked about reaching out to Cornell Cooperative Extension about any other um you know bio-friendly methods of tick extermination.

I don't know, can we move?

I did reach out via email.

I'm still waiting to hear back from them.

Yep, to control because they has increased this year.

Even me as a mom taking my kids out, I had to take one off my kid's neck, I had to take one off of his leg.

So they are they have increased because we have a you know increased population of deer, it's not just deer, it's mice, it's rabbits, it's they all carry them.

Yeah.

It's throughout the Northeast, but it's gonna continue to get worse, so we really need to be proactive.

Thank you.

That's all for me.

Thank you, Madam President.

Thank you.

Uh Counselor Hotsa.

Thank you, Madam President.

I have item 37.

Good afternoon, counselors.

Vinny Scipione, Chief Information Officer.

Uh item number 37 is for a platform uh we use to do fleet management.

So just the questions that we were referring to earlier.

Uh this is a platform used by uh DPW.

Uh well, probably DPW's uh uh definitely a significant user.

The police department and the fire department also use this platform to uh manage their fleet and all the components and aspects uh that go into that.

Uh this is sorry, go ahead.

Something in place already for this.

Did we have something in place already?

You asked?

Yes.

Uh this is one we've used for many years now.

Um this is uh you can see, of course, there's a um it is a waiver that we're asking for for this.

The intention in this upcoming year is to RFP so we can ensure that we're getting the best value uh for platform uh that we use for fleet management.

So okay.

Uh item number 30 is uh giving that.

No why it's uh item number 38, uh seeking approval to enter into an agreement for a free trial for a uh asset and work order management platform.

Uh this was uh a platform that was uh in front of you all just a few sessions ago, which uh we had uh you know asked for a waiver on and uh doing our due diligence here of trying to uh identify some alternatives.

Uh I'm sorry, this platform not specifically.

There was a uh our current platform, CityWorks uh was just uh in front of you, but this is another one to um uh see if this could be a viable successor.

Ultimately we would RFP for a uh new platform, but just trying to see if uh um this uh some of the let's say um hurdles that we're experiencing right now with our current platform could be resolved with this one.

Do you have any criteria on what the long-term and the short-term cost is gonna be?

Long term and short term, I can tell you our uh our current one, uh CityWorks, our current platform that was uh approved a handful of sessions ago.

It's about 186,000 a year, is what we're spending on that.

Uh, this is a platform uh that sorry, which uh, for example, the water department uses this on a uh a daily basis for their operations.

What's that?

Sorry.

This one.

This one, yes.

Uh the water department uses this on a uh daily basis for their operations to manage, you know, all of the uh um you know operations that they are uh uh undergoing.

We're also seeking to expand the digitization of uh other work order uh um and service requests uh uh processes uh throughout other departments in the city.

So Vinny, what would the you know, talking about three-month trial period?

What would the build out look like?

How much data do we have to share?

Do they give the sandbox to play with?

Like how to how does that all be able to do that?

Yeah, this is a essentially a sandbox, as you said, for us to uh um test the configuration with some of our other systems.

Uh it's uh uh a system that we would maintain uh ownership, uh I say ownership or a platform that uh you know is uh um exclusively ours, and uh we would um you know just test some of these integrations because we have various systems that are dependent on uh something like a work order management system, C click fix, for example, which I'm sure you're all aware of, uh, you know, making sure that those systems talk with each other, link accordingly so uh there's less uh manual handoff between systems, so things of that nature.

And then a subsequent RFP would allow us to uh um fully understand the implementation timeline uh that any uh given um uh proposal would uh include.

So president, I think you um as far as like the SAS, I think that it's just like various departments that have uh I think that's probably what you're looking at when you said have we done this already?

Various departments have this type of software, software like a work order management software.

Yeah this is the only work order management uh you know platform that the city has.

And so I'm just saying like for like um like 37 is one for DPW, 38 is one for another department, and that's what I mean, right?

I'm sorry, I'm not following.

The software service.

Yeah, yes.

So you have a number of them for different various departments.

I thought that's what you was asking.

Okay, my apologies.

Yeah, yeah.

I want to know what what is going to be our short-term and long-term cost on this equipment.

Um I suspect there will be a sustained cost year over year for um a sustained cost year over year uh for something of this nature.

Uh uh.

And let me ask you this question though, Vinny.

When we keep time, I know technology changes rapidly, probably every day.

So at some point, are we ever gonna be caught up with this technology?

Are we gonna continue to be spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to come up to speed every year?

Yeah, I think uh this is a tell old tailor question, right?

As we modernize, there's uh uh this is an example where we have uh um you know paper or manual operations that uh exist within the city as we want to modernize and ultimately create a better experience for constituents, both on like you know, from the way they interface with uh uh government operations, but also the behind the scenes of the government operations, which ultimately uh impact them.

It's that uh, you know, I would say return on investment of by you know uh the cost of doing business for uh a more robust operational uh you know, city is a trade-off of of this expense, and you can quantify that.

And again, are we doing things manually on paper?

How long do they take versus uh digitizing and having a more comprehensive uh record of those things?

So yeah.

And the system that we're using right now is also at the end of its lifeline.

It's yes, that there has been a uh uh an end-of-life date announced for the system that we have currently.

So that's another driving factor is managing that technical risk of you know, as we as that approaches what is our plan to migrate to something that's uh going to be.

So what we're migrating into if we you end up we wind up making that decision, it would be with the same company, right?

Uh it might be different.

Oh, it might not be as we have this could be different.

It's gonna be we have different companies could be different.

Yeah, Vinny, um, Councilman Joke mentioned the payroll modernization project that we have not heard a lot about.

We haven't gotten any updates recently.

Um could you or your department or people involved in the projects provide some type of written updates to the council on where we are with progress and benchmarks and where we hope to be and where we are.

Happy to.

Thank you.

I would regret.

Yeah.

Alrighty.

Uh item 39, final item on the list here.

Uh so this is with Cisco.

You might all have like heard this name be floated around in the past or not.

But uh, we have Cisco equipment uh all throughout the city, whether it be in City Hall, uh, every pretty much every single municipal building, I would say, uh including fire departments, police station, et cetera.

Uh this is what I would consider like core networking equipment.

So uh the way that all of these facilities communicate with each other.

Uh we buy hardware from Cisco on a regular basis.

Cisco's the industry uh, you know, leader of this equipment.

It's the most serviceable from that perspective, I would say.

There's um sure there are other providers out there, but they're more boutique and uh less people or professional service groups that are able to service that uh type of equipment.

And so Cisco uh again on a we buy the hardware on a routine basis based on just typical hardware life cycles.

So the the same way that there's any other asset that has a lifecycle to it every handful of years, need to upgrade, you know, or it reaches end of life, you need to uh you know, uh get the newer versions.

There's also licenses associated with uh operating that equipment.

So right now or historically we have purchased uh all of that on a pay as you go or an a la carte basis.

Um this is an opportunity for us to enter into an enterprise agreement with them, effectively locking in those prices for five years.

Uh and uh, you know, on a yearly basis, we would uh as again we buy more equipment just based on their end of life.

Uh to 11 is guaranteed for five years.

Um the overall, well, the so uh the rate, the individual rate that makes up this total not to exceed, you know, because we've got line items that for all the different types of hardware that we buy, the the uh price specific to the line items is a fixed rate.

So we could scale that up and say if we buy one type, you know, the a quantity of one specific switch or network equipment, uh we get lock in that individual uh per unit cost, and that can scale to where like if we need five more of those, we're gonna get those at that same price uh you know, over that five-year period, as opposed to uh um so it's more locking it in at that level, and then this total uh not to exceed is at our current consumption, uh, that's where we would uh end up over the course of five years.

And we have to lock in for five years.

Uh that is the best uh negotiated term the best term to negotiate uh uh in our favor, and whereas if we went shorter, would likely be uh either more uh for a per unit cost because uh you know Cisco as a company is not gonna have those guaranteed uh you know it's it's beneficial for them because they're gonna guarantee that uh that expense or that revenue, but uh we would um also not be looking quite frankly to change from Cisco in that time frame either.

And so to um I think a five-year time span is very reasonable for your confidence in that because as I said before, we're changing quite rapidly.

So you're confident that we're not gonna change from Cisco within the next five years.

I am confident that it would cost a lot more to sorry, I would just say it would cost a lot more than the five million dollars over five, I'm sorry, one million dollars over five years than uh to switch everything out across the city.

So I want to point out a type of um yeah.

If you can if you notice that um there's no such thing as 1325 after 24 after 21, so that one should be in front of the comma.

21,000.

It's 2000, 2001, 21,000.

Yeah, not 21.

Uh budget director also uh reminded me that this uh contract allows us to cancel for convenience as well.

So if there was a scenario where we uh um decided to migrate to a different solution, we would be able to uh get out of the terminate this contract and get out of it.

Uh so effectively I don't see a downside in you know three versus five years given the fact that we can exit it if we uh so you know saw it to be uh uh advantageous.

So and one more question for you what cybersecurity attacks does this system address?

Yeah, uh so uh you've probably heard the uh common term of a firewall uh before, and that is something that essentially blocks uh any uh uh bad actor, we'll put it that way, from accessing certain components of our network.

You know, we allow certain traffic in certain traffic out.

There are uh appliances, both hardware and software, or you know, licenses associated with this agreement that provide us uh protections to make sure that uh you know, monitoring and other protections to make sure that if there is any anomaly that occurs, uh we are not uh or one it protects us in that manner and notifies us and makes sure that uh we are uh configuring things accordingly to not uh um be vulnerable to some of these uh potential attacks.

Okay, and last question, I said last question, but now it's a question.

We're counting how many times they less.

So, what standards and accountability is that would do we have that's gonna ensure that the city gets what they're paying for.

So uh there's hardware, right?

You know, part of this as I mentioned was uh there's hardware that we purchase, which is a thing that we get, you know, in person.

If we don't get it, we don't pay for it, right?

Um the other as part of this enterprise agreement, there's uh SLAs that will be associated with the services we receive.

So uh ensuring that uh um any uh licenses and services being provided are uh traceable back to terms within this contract.

Okay, I'm gonna echo what uh counselor will you say with all of these different things that we're approving at some point.

We the council needs to have some type of report on where we're at how we're doing with this.

Absolutely.

Okay, thanks.

Okay.

Thanks, council.

Thank you.

Are you set?

Do you want to take 40?

Yeah, all right.

This one right here.

This is a resolution to share okay.

Okay.

Um Sharon has been a business owner in this city for the last 30 years.

Sharon is the first black daycare facility that's relocated in the downtown Syracuse.

And she's also been a child care provider for 20 years.

Sharon has given a lot to this community.

Sharon has mentored a lot of young women when it comes to child care and business.

So I think that I mean, and when we talk about resolutions and honoring people, this is one way that I think that it would be good to honor Sharon for all of her hard work.

Not to mention she has a lounge, she has two child care facilities, and she's opening up another um telemarketing company.

So she's employing people and she's doing a lot of work in the city.

And I'll just speak a little bit to um more of Sharon's um good deeds.

She has done like uh Thanksgiving dinners for all of her families um every year.

She's gone out of her way, um purchasing um clothing, um, additional toys and things that the children take home with them.

So um she's an excellent person when it comes to looking out for um the youth that attend her centers, and she's she's very she specializes in um kids with certain disabilities.

Um she's very attentive to their needs, regardless of like some of the state stipulations, I should say.

She she wants to go above and beyond.

She does sensory with the kids, and she has like different things that she works with, not you know, just the little background, and not to mention when Patrona said that she buys things for the kids that they can take home, she actually provides support and resources to the families as well.

So it's not just the kids.

Yes.

Thank you.

Okay.

Thank you.

Anyone television?

I think are we all behind you?

Yes.

I am.

Anybody want to get on?

Yes.

Who wants to get on?

Just everybody, okay.

Everybody.

Thank you.

Counselor Navy.

Thank you, Madam President.

I have item for 41 with New York State Department of Transportation.

Hi, Ann Ford back again.

And uh this is an agreement with New York State DOT for the traffic management center um that operates at DPW.

And this is an agreement where we get an 80-20% match.

Where's the center located?

It's at DPW.

We can give you a tour next time you come down.

Okay.

All right.

I did ask uh Joe Drisco.

Uh, he's out of town, have a representative if they had any questions with DOT.

So I'm gonna ask my colleagues do we want to go forward to this on for Monday, or do you want to hold it and have and I appreciate Ann, um, if you want someone from DOT, if we have any other questions.

So I'm gonna ask my colleagues now.

So my only question is um on the consultant fees, what consultants are included in this?

I don't have that.

Um but we can certainly find out.

I mean, just to give you a kind of a summary.

Um, so this gives us it's the traffic is interconnected, right?

And so it's it's a manned traffic control center where they're keep staying abreast of like situations as they're happening.

So when you are driving with Google Maps or Apple or whatever device, it's gonna tell you about like street closures real time because that information is communicated to them constantly too.

So if you you know, I mean we're in Syracuse, so maybe you don't have it on because you know where you're going, but it really is helpful for live road conditions and updating that.

Um we coordinate obviously with New York State with their traffic control and with ours.

We're working with New York State.

Uh yeah, and so that is a requirement of this that we have it manned and service the way it is at DPW in order for us to get that New York State funding.

All right, so this comes out of DP Dalton work with the state.

So it's like almost an annual uh annual or something thing there, you know.

Okay, yeah.

It is, and I just have to say this, I gotta ask this question and when you talk about monitoring and with the um traffic management center, I'm not taking anything away from anybody, but I've seen how it works, and sometimes it's a little scattered all over the place.

Okay.

So because I've caught Jeremy on it a couple of times.

So I hope that we are gonna have better oversight so that we can know exactly what's going on.

And with my Google Maps, it didn't give me the closure.

The burn it.

Okay.

So I don't know how up to date this is.

It makes me wonder if we're getting all the closures from all the other departments.

Because you know, it's not just DPW working on a road.

It could be you know, 10 different bureaus um doing 10 different.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

That's the case, and we're using because I tried to go down Sealy the other day and it was closed because a car crashed into a house, right?

But I certainly didn't check, you know, to see was it covered on there?

Maybe it was.

But I mean, there's there's also the tech companies, right?

I mean, however, many buses and vehicles have hit the onondaga lake parkway bridge really started after GPS started getting widely adopted.

Yeah, you're right.

Which we really need to name that bridge.

I think that that should be a council priority, honestly.

Um fire has the ability to do traffic control changes through this system, or is that a separate system?

I would call it separate.

Um it kind of like overrides a signal so that they can get green lights.

Uh it's a little different.

But yeah, thank you.

But it ties in, right?

And do you have any idea when the um when the DOT is going or the state is going to change the exit numbers?

Oh, great question.

I don't I think that might be a Jojo Skull question.

Okay.

It'll confuse me as well, though, when it happens.

I don't have a problem with putting this through.

Okay.

All right.

Um there's no objections, we'll put it through, but I will reach out again to Joe if if he if he could come.

And so if you have any other questions, okay.

Appreciate it.

Uh I have item 42.

And this is going to be a resolution.

I and we're going to do an installation for honorary streets signed at the intersection of Butternut and Low Dye Street.

And this is gonna honor the Lombardi family.

And the Lombardi family had begun, it began in 1970 out of the old five and dimes store.

And they've been there 56 years.

And every time Mr.

Lombardi and fame look out their window, so many uh changes, not to the north side, but so many people come from out of town, they get from all these areas.

They want to go to Lombardi's.

They go to Lombardi's, they get the sausage, the fresh cold cuts, uh, the meats, the produce, and it's just an outstanding.

And I felt uh this was long overdue.

I went to see Dominic Lombardi yesterday and his family, and uh we wanted to make sure all the everybody was included on this.

And um, so I really asked my colleagues to uh to join me in honoring um this long standing uh institution.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Uh so we all of us on the um yeah, this is just this is this is just an ordinance, it's just not a resolution, so we've got it from next.

No, I mean it's just an ordinance, it's not a resolution.

Resolution is those.

Oh, I'm talking about street.

We'll talk afterwards more.

Uh uh, yeah, we'll talk afterwards.

Yeah, okay.

Uh street signs are ordinances, they're not resolution.

Okay, yeah.

RBR.

Okay.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you, Councillor Moore.

Thank you, madam president.

I have items 43 through 59.

Good afternoon, I'm Mike Mons, the fire chief.

Um, this is for the fire department to enter an agreement with Auburn Hospital uh to get our medicine we need for our paramedics and EMTs uh when patients are in critical condition, these meds are used to sustain life on the alarms we respond to.

Chief, can I just ask one question?

Why why do we use Auburn Hospital?

Um, there was a law passed a few years ago um that only certain um pharmacies could um give fire departments with paramedics and ambulances, medicines, um AMR, they go through like a big national um distributor, which we don't need that many meds.

We only need a few for our ambulance that would be uh way overkill trying to um go through the same method they do.

So this is the only area hospital locally that we can um purchase from.

Okay.

Um yes, and and different prices.

We were going through Krause and Upstate and Auburn, but Krause and Upstate can't provide the service anymore, so now we just get everything through Auburn.

Okay, makes sense.

Okay.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Good afternoon, Jason Tom, Deputy Chief Syracuse Police.

I have item number 44.

It's you enter an agreement with Galaxy Media Partners.

Um to the Syracuse based company to assist with marketing and advertising for our hiring of police officers.

Uh there is a request for a waiver of RFP.

We currently have an RFP out there.

Unfortunately, it wouldn't be completed in time for when the window is open to register for the uh police exam.

That's why we're we're asking for this exception.

So you do usually RFP for this?

We did it.

We do do an RFP.

And we are we are RFPing.

We don't control when the window opens, the state does, and they dropped it on us, and now we have about a month to um advertise for the exam.

So this is our current contractor?

We don't have a current contract.

You don't have a current contractor.

No.

So you said that when the RFP goes through well enough permanently.

So uh Galaxy Media.

What happens if the R when RFP comes through?

Do you stay with Galaxy or do you move forward?

No, we'll evaluate every person who that um applies for the RFP and then see which the best uh option for us.

RFP's out there now, yes.

Okay.

Yeah.

Uh additionally, I did bring some flyers.

These are for if you know of anyone who wants to be a police officer.

Um I'll leave in the back of the room.

All they do is scan the QR code.

We work with the county to waive the fee.

There's normally a $35 fee to sign up to take the police exam.

So I encourage you if you know of anyone uh who's interested in becoming a police officer, please uh have them go online.

They can register right online.

It's for free.

Uh Chief, one question.

Yep.

So do we reach out to the black minority LGBTQ community?

Do we reach out to them?

Well, what may be reclusive?

What Galaxy Media can do is they can target specific um groups that demographics to get the word out.

Um we're gonna focus mainly in Syracuse, all right.

We want to get residents from City Syracuse become police officers, but we'll identify and do our best to identify identify them.

Okay, thank you.

Uh the deadline is September 1st, just our phone notes.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

45.

Hi, Counselor Richard Elf Deputy Chief over at the police department.

Uh, under item number 45, we're looking for permission to enter into a uh contract agreement with our um department chaplains.

Um the amount not to exceed 25,000 dollars for uh Reverend Darren Heime and uh Reverend Kathy Hodge Davis.

Any questions on that?

Okay, 46.

Anyone here to speak on 46?

Oh, there you are.

Dave Matt's Deputy Chief Syracuse Police Department Investigation Bureau.

It's to enter an agreement with Prime Info for essentially what is a software program that allows us to integrate our uh emergency or emergency ordinance disposal teams, our hostile negotiation teams or tactical teams with a program which allows us to collaboratively combine data, operational plans, uh geolocating that means using GPS devices, track uh where our members are out on operations.

It is uh a reference for the overall um operations and allows us to categorize stuff, do risk assessments, and combine all our data into one central location.

It's basically a huge overhaul of our tactical operations.

It's uh invaluable asset to us to bring us up to speed where we need to be.

Is this the only company that provides this service?

It does.

It's a very unique uh company.

They provide uh tactical services to multiple agencies throughout the state.

Okay.

So cheap.

Uh kind of thinking about what we well, really the reckoning nationwide occurring with flock cameras and um kind of the different organizations and companies that are law enforcement community is operating with um it's tough to find any in information on Prime Infill.

Uh not a whole lot out there, and part of the vetting that I'm concerned with is making sure again that we're we're contracting with a good actor.

Um is there any additional info you can provide on on the on the company on PrimeInfill and and Yeah, I can tell you that it is a nationwide company.

Uh Rochester PD is actually using their services while specific to this.

I'd be more than happy to actually take the program out, pull it up on my computer now, and show you after the session if you'd like to see exactly what what it entails and what it can do for us.

So but yeah, it's RPD and ourselves are the two of the primary users in upstate New York for it.

And you know, you mentioned a major overhaul in terms of your operational capacity.

$18,000 annually.

Doesn't feel like a lot of money for any type of major overhaul.

Uh it just seems like a small amount of money for, you know, you you mentioned that it would be an operational overhaul.

You know, it's more towards our our uh categorizing uh our operations in terms of high risk, medium risk, low risk, taking the information, data.

It's a software program to really modernize what we're doing.

It's not so much going out and doing physical executions, but it's an overall of our our documentation process through EOD, HNT, and SWOT.

So that that's where the overhaul is, not an actual physical operations.

Um artificial intelligence is it AI-based platform?

No, no, it is uh it is basically all input generated.

So thank you.

So I I have uh I have a follow-up question for uh uh Evan Evans Thank you, thank you, Chief.

Yep.

So I know a few months back we had passed a resolution to institute a mechanism on the RRP process.

Now, with that being said, how do we make sure that these agreements that we are passing through, we are waiving a compliant.

I these companies are in compliance with where we are trying to go.

Counselor Zevin loving budget director.

So as you said, there's a resolution passed to incorporate asking a question during the RFP process about how uh they're using our data or sharing it with third parties.

If something is below the threshold or already has like a state contrast, for example, that's just due diligence that we need to do on the departmental and the IT side.

So it's still a question that we can ask and make sure that we've clarified if there's any use of our data to third party, but it wouldn't be built in because obviously we wouldn't necessarily need the RFP process.

So for the RFP process for large softwares, we would have that, and then we just need to integrate that into our departmental process.

So I I I think I think personally, I I think it would it would help me being comfortable with these agreements, especially with with the work that departments are doing, and we are we are wait waiving these RPs.

So what would that look like?

Do we do we just create a form that you would put this organization through to just verify them or or how would this work?

I think the most straightforward thing is I'll work with Vinny and I'll work to talk about how we can have a standard process for departments to verify that.

Supposed to I'm seeing that someone that is gonna work out.

And my clarification question is just is 45 and 46, are they being RFP'd or not?

They're not in the waived.

No.

Okay.

Okay.

So 46 is a waiver item.

Is a waiver RFP and not a few.

So 44, 45, 46 are waivers.

45 is uh 45 is not uh uh a waiver as well.

It's not it's not, I'm sorry, it's a different one.

Yeah, so which one are you so 44, 45?

They are both agreement but they have been waived.

So I guess my question was if we are waiving these RFPs, and we already have a stipulation in place that we are supposed to be vetting these parties on whether they're they are using our data with the with the with a third party behind.

How do we make sure that they are in compliance with what we are trying to do here?

And I don't understand why we're waiving this one.

46.

46.

There's probably because the amount is is smaller.

I mean, the 46 number 46 is actually below the threshold.

So from a technical standpoint, we don't need to waive the RFP.

We wouldn't we wouldn't be required to do an RFP for something at this threshold.

Historically, they have been listed as waivers in the ordinance.

I thought threshold was 10,000.

This is 18,000.

Yeah, um, both is uh the only reason why I was saying that most likely is because it's so little up under the threshold, but the threshold is 10.

Okay, so so uh in then in any rate, my whole question here is we are waiv once we wave it.

How do we keep it in the radar to make sure that it's still in compliance with what where we've tried to do it?

It sounds like there's an internal policy that Evan can put in place with Vinny that will help us assure that.

But it would be helpful if that is that details included for us in review of waived items.

We look at that before Monday then.

Uh not probably not before Monday.

Uh here it will require some type of legislative um some ordinance um amendment of whatever.

So we'll work on that then.

One thing I'll say is when we enter into agreements uh specifically around software with any entity, the law department does a lot of due diligence in ensuring that the terms within those contracts are uh favorable to the city regarding data governance in terms of ownership utilization, et cetera, like all those things.

So I think there's multiple areas uh completely heard and I I understand exactly where you're getting at and agree.

Uh and I think uh uh another uh layer uh to you know have as a protection areas right with our when our corporation council is reviewing these contracts, they're also ensuring that uh the provisions and their relative to data governance are again favorable to the city.

Yeah, I think the concern is the general public, and if any information that we enter into our system of theirs is being shared, I think that is where the concern lies.

So that's what we want to ensure is not happening.

Yep, understood.

Thanks.

Yeah, yeah.

With that, is Prime Infill a closed loop system?

Like we own the software that we're putting in our information into all the way to the back, you gotta come all the way to the front.

Yeah, yes, it is a closed program.

All it's all shared internal data.

There's no outside agencies or sources coming in to go and filter mine or review any of our data.

It's a closed program.

And the data is stored on our servers, not.

Everything's stored internally.

Thank you.

And how long though?

Right.

No, I just want to know how long is the data stored.

I think it's three years.

How long is the data stored?

The data will be stored.

We're gonna what we do is they'll store it with the program, and then essentially we'll copy the stuff over, so we'll make maintain our own internal files and we'll keep those files forever.

Because once we do an operation, we can't uh let that stuff go.

So it's pretty much until like the case is in or close, or we determine that something could be disposed of, but it's in excess of at least 20 years.

Thanks again.

You're getting your steps.

Sure, everybody's good because we've used it.

Uh item 47.

Hi, counselors uh 47 is uh to increase uh an award amount uh from a grant.

These are for hard tokens.

Uh there you all uh likely have them where when we you uh go to log into our accounts, our city accounts multi-factor authentication, it's a generated uh um value that allows you to uh um securely log into your account.

So this is to uh increase the award size we are able to get uh additional funds uh therefore more tokens uh for our staff.

So Vinny, is this gonna be an annual fee that we're gonna be seeing?

I think we buy tokens on a yearly basis.

Uh it's just basic uh uh there's ones that break.

I mean, there uh there's ones that uh uh one is our staff size either grows or uh or shrinks as well if we're we don't get them back sometimes.

It's uh just uh lost ones, etc.

So yeah.

Okay, thank you.

I wouldn't say that you know it's not always to to this degree, but uh you know, while we can get them with this funding, we will you know thank you.

Anyone else?

Uh 48.

Counselor's uh Richard Elf, Deputy Chief.

Under no uh number 48, we're looking to uh uh for permission to application agreement with New York State Division of Criminal Justice to enter uh for a law enforcement technology grant in the amount of no uh one million dollars.

Um we're currently going through that application process right now, but we're looking at uh cameras, um uh computers, um uh um some total stations for um crime scene and traffic crashes, speed trailers, comms for uh communication, um BWCs.

Um we're looking at um a potential axon product that translates through the body worn cameras um um rather than to have to call a translator or uh a third party service.

So those are the types of things that we're looking to to spend on this technology grant.

And Chief, when will you know what exactly your do we you know we apply for a million dollars?

Do we get a million dollars and then determine how we're going to spend it, or do we have to document in the application a kind of line item, you know, 500k here, 250k here?

Yeah, when do we determine what products we're gonna be purchasing?

So we're going through the process right now to decide that we have to apply, letting them know what we want to put in there, and that's September 2nd, I believe.

Early September is when the application is due.

Gotcha.

And then we'll know within a few months, um, a few weeks actually, if we're successful.

So we can provide if you're what your question is, seems like I said, pretty much you know, essentially we'll uh we'll provide exactly what um we are going to apply for.

And the the question is should we vote on Monday or should we hold it given that we don't know what the technology is?

We're just talking about um holding this for the committee.

Um agreement.

Are you gonna hold it?

You said for a committee meeting?

Committee meeting, yep.

I mean no committee meeting or just till we have a list of the technology.

Oh, yeah, we're yeah, if you could provide us a list of the technologies that we're gonna be able to do.

Yep, but we're absolutely gonna do that.

Then we can go, we don't have to hold it if we can do that.

Yeah, but I I'm sorry, I won't have that by Monday.

You won't have it by Monday.

No, no, I won't have that by Monday.

So we're we're going through the process of evaluating it, getting pricing.

We're just looking for that initial approval to enter the application.

So I can provide it after that once we have it.

Yeah, you know, but I don't have it now.

Points to that line for these applications.

September 2nd, I believe.

So we have uh the month of August to prepare for that.

So you have to have the prices with it.

No, you all you need all she needs to know is the items.

Yeah, just the items.

On our end, we need to know the pricing of the various items so we can decide what we're gonna put in for.

So the pricing may eliminate something, so I will need that pricing on our end to decide whether we're gonna put it in the application.

Once we make that decision, then we can come to you with our thoughts on what we want to apply for for sure.

Yeah, okay.

Thank you.

Thank you, Chief.

Item 54.

Or I'm sorry, and 49.

Okay, so 49.

This is again an application with the New York State uh this is for the Department of Justice.

Um it's a split grant.

The total amount of the grant is uh 151,005 dollars.

We share that equally with the sheriff's department.

We are looking uh our portion of it will go towards soft target security supplies and emergency response equipment.

And I have uh a bit more specifics here.

Sorry, we have quite a few items on uh the agenda here.

Okay, so uh one of the first items is a hardening critical infrastructure in the terms of the new public safety bill uh building.

These are concrete security uh barriers that will go in front of the wheel uh windows on that first floor.

We had them at the old PSB that will prevent you know vehicle-borne attacks on that particular building.

That's one item.

Um we're looking for 40,000 to to purchase additional um barrier systems for um street closures, uh like the St.

Patrick's Day Parade, those mobile ones that can be moved uh efficiently and effectively, and they again stop vehicle-borne um attacks.

Um you know, three thousand dollars for emergency response team equipment to deploy less lethal um munitions.

It's a munition release pole.

It's it's uh you know a remote thing that you can stick through and and release munitions without putting an operator um at risk.

Um some storage dry boxes and um some drone maintenance for about five thousand dollars in drone maintenance for our existing drones that the props break on a deployment or something like that.

We can we can fix those drones, and then there's a small amount um of personal costs in terms of OT costs of four thousand dollars on that grant for the total of the the 75 that I described.

Anybody have any questions on that?

I have a question, it's probably not in either of these.

Um I've asked it before.

Um not to you, but um there was funding that was requested about a year or two ago, and it um was about when you uh it was an attachment for the cameras if something was drawn off of your belt, sure.

Then it turned on the camera automatically.

Did that ever happen?

You're talking about signal side.

All right, side signal sidearm through axon.

No, we do not have that.

I'm not sure if we ever applied for it.

I wasn't familiar with that.

Okay, yeah, we did uh and it's also you know, when somebody draws our holster, that individual's BWC comes on, but then the individuals around you also come on as well, those BWCs, but we can look into that.

Okay.

Right now, I'm not aware of any plans to get that at this point.

Well, I think that's a good thing.

We need to go back to grants, I think, and find out if we ever even wrote for it or figure out because we absolutely had um okay it I can look for.

Okay, yeah.

What was the name of the grant?

It's I'm not familiar with any grants.

I'm familiar with the problem.

Maybe it wasn't.

Which is signal sidearm um through axon.

All right, single sidearm, yeah.

I'll look for it.

Um, since Clinton Square is under construction, um and these grants seem to be well poised.

Is there collaboration with DPW to talk about installed concrete security barriers for our parade routes or other systems like um what New Orleans put in place to stop vehicle born attacks?

Absolutely.

We uh we coordinate with DPW right now because we don't have the barriers, we contact DPW and they bring the dump trucks in and large vehicles to help us with that.

Not ideal because they need staffing, that sort of thing to do that and overtime.

So we are definitely in communications with DPW, and that's the impetus for trying to get some of this stuff to to avoid some of that taxing work that we ask of DPW, just safety for everybody, right?

Safety officers, safety performance hours.

Yep, but there is there is those.

So we are looking for for those solutions within these grants too.

That's that's what this is.

Yep, absolutely.

All right.

I think we're at 50, right?

Yep, 50.

All right, item number 50.

This is a cash capital request uh to appropriate funds and the amount of 150,000 for uh technology server upgrades.

These are for the firewalls that uh Vinny talked about, um, the servers that keep our network up and running.

They get to a point where they're at the end of their life and they need replacing.

This money would go towards those um replacements of our network infrastructure.

And there is collaboration with Day Pro Act and Vinny on on all of this stuff.

I was gonna ask that question.

I'm gonna ask you real quick before I sit down.

That's right.

I knew you were coming back, counselor.

I knew you were coming back.

Coordinating with Vinny and everything.

Is there any point?

Evan, where are you?

Because maybe Evan can answer this question.

Because I know Janet Burke does a lot of work in the research, right?

But do we have, let's just say for this part of the year, do we have a total amount of all grants citywide?

Do we have that number?

Could I say something?

Council President Um it do send a quarterly report.

She just sent it not too long ago.

And I was is police included in that because I know police.

It's everything the application agreement, whatever grant we got, you know.

Um, I'm assuming I can answer that.

Council to clarify, are you asking for how much has been spent on grants or how much has been received?

Both are applied.

Okay.

I believe has that information.

Jan's not here today, but yeah, she sends out a report.

At least something to a certain date.

Okay.

Are are these end of life servers?

Um, these something that's not at the new building.

Because I thought we got all new equipment over there.

No, no, we brought a lot of equipment.

Um, there's some new equipment for sure, but we all brought a lot of equipment from uh 511.

We have multiple servers, multiple fireworks, multiple switches that were um brought from 511.

We didn't buy all new network equipment by far.

There was quite a bit of stuff.

Okay.

Um any questions on 50?

Okay.

Uh item number 51 again, uh looking to appropriate funds from Cash Capital and the amount of 400,000.

This is for uh replacement of our cops cameras.

We have upwards of 500 cops cameras uh across the city.

Um this is money to replace broken ones um and fix them and bring them back online.

52.

Sorry, what are they gonna do?

Can we get a number of the broken ones?

Can we get us a count of broken ones?

Um, our IT department uh tracks how many were replaced last year type of thing.

Is that what you're looking for?

Yeah, I mean, because how many are currently down?

Yeah, and what is again what's the lifespan for those?

Because it just seems like this we're asking for this every year.

I don't know if the amounts changed every year.

Yes, they do.

Um it just seemed like a lot.

Absolutely, and it is something that we ask for every year because these cameras do have an end of life, and these cameras do go down.

Um, and there's a lot of them out there.

So in order to, it's kind of like our vehicles, right?

Yeah, I was about to ask these is the body cam.

No, these are the cameras that are throughout the city streets.

Um not our body cams.

No, those don't go down.

No, I mean those are.

No, no, no.

Okay, I thought you'd talk about body cams.

No, I'm sorry, it wasn't clear.

These are the cops cameras on the on the street corners.

Okay.

All right.

When you have a chance, could you give me a list of where cameras are in micro?

That's correct.

No, so I have a lot of questions from constituents where they why they're not here.

So I have a lot of questions.

Yeah, sure.

Like just so you are aware also.

They're the ones with the blue lights.

These are not covert cameras.

So if you're if an individual or a citizen wants to know, these are the blue light cameras or very visible.

We want to make sure they're that folks.

I just like to pinpoint where they are.

Sure.

All right.

Thank you.

Wherever we see a blue light.

And I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with this program.

Could you give me a little background?

Okay, so this would have been going back probably 2001, 2002.

We started putting police, I don't want to say own, but police operated cameras in communities uh in the city of Syracuse in high crime areas.

We started with the high crime shots areas, would have been the near west side, um, west side area.

Since then, we have expanded that program um where we have put them in other areas of the city, not just necessarily shots fired crime where they started, but overall crime um problems throughout the the city.

And um, you know, that they're governed by a policy on retention, they're covered by a policy on usage.

Um that program has been largely successful in terms of capturing crimes, preventing crime because they are visible and people see them.

Um so that's that's a a quick appreciate the quick overview.

Yeah, absolutely.

But we own them, yes.

And who watches them?

So we have a series of retired police officers that watch them live.

Um they work in uh our crime analysis center, kind of like a real-time crime situation.

And then also, you know, detectives or officers on the street have the ability to watch those cameras as well.

How long do we store that information?

So data on that is stored.

There's a set time frame, and I don't want to get this wrong, but I believe it's 30 days.

I'll get back to you.

And then if in thank you.

Um 30 days.

Um, and then if the if the camera is downloaded because it's associated with a crime, then the retention follows the normal retention on that crime, and it can vary on from misdemeanors all the way up to to major felonies that are stored forever.

Thank you.

Yes.

Okay.

Okay, 52.

All right, moving right along here.

Okay, so this is uh another um uh capital.

This is a bond ordinance though, um, authorizing the sale of bonds for um department uh rifle rated vests for our officers in the amount of 380,000.

Right now, our officers are outfitted with level two uh vests that will basically defeat handguns.

Um based on recent events with officers getting shot at with rifles.

Um we need higher rated vests for our officers, so this would buy vests that um level three, level four that would defeat um rifle rounds.

How many would it buy?

Right.

That's a great question.

It's 380,000.

We want to buy um vests for everybody, all of our sworn officers.

How long do you think last?

They do have a shelf life just like our vests, but it's uh I think five years, JDR.

I think it's five years.

Yep.

Or until you can get a new one.

I'm sorry, or until you can get a better technology, a better built, right?

Yeah, I think a lot of them do have uh a shelf life and we have vests in our range that we test out after 10 years, and they still stop rounds, but the the manufacturer will tell you that it's five years.

Do you have a disposal plan for both the level two plates and level three plates?

Yes, yep, just like we do now.

Yep.

What is it?

What that is, I'll have to get back to you, but we do have a yeah, they turn them in.

But wasn't part of it at some point.

Didn't we give some equipment or some of the stuff we had to some other country or didn't we do?

I don't know.

We gave something to somebody, yeah.

Ukraine, yeah.

Yeah, to Ukraine, yeah.

Was it two years ago?

Two years ago.

Oh boy, it was all of that, yeah.

Yeah, I think it was right at the beginning of the start of the war, if I if I remember correctly.

Correct.

I remember that.

Okay.

Yes.

And I hope my colleagues in the back are make uh keeping notes on what I have to do.

It's right in uh letter right there.

Right in the letter.

In the short term in the short term, they're not 80.

Item 53.

Oh 54, right?

Uh 54, yeah.

Yeah, 52 and 53 is the bond and authorization.

Sorry.

Okay, so item 54 and 55.

This is to amend uh a previous uh bond authorization ordinance.

We came to you asking for 750,000 dollars um in 2526.

We are asking to amend that to increase uh it by a million dollars, bringing it to a 1.75 for our command post.

This is a mobile vehicle that gets deployed on critical incidents.

Right now, our current command post is uh 2016 model, so it's 10 years old, has multiple issues with it in terms of the roof leaking, it's just end of life.

Um exhaust system, vehicle maintenance, that sort of thing.

That's one aspect of the problem.

The larger aspect of the problem is we've simply it's not big enough.

We've grown out the capacity of this vehicle, both in size and the technology that's in this vehicle.

So it's you know, we operate based on the national incident management system.

It's a nationwide model on how you handle a critical incident.

And in that command post could be upwards of 10 different people, all with different roles from the chief to the incident commander, the operations commander, communications, the CID um liaison, the negotiator, the bomb, the SWAT, all those folks are in this room, and what is critical to a successful outcome on these is communication and coordination, and to not have a good base of operations for these definitely affects how this scene develops.

Deputy Chief, tremendous sympathy in all the world with the ideas that you know of coordination.

I liked it better when you put the $18,000 proposal though.

So this is a whole million dollars in addition to the $750,000 previously authorized.

So what what does that get us in terms of enhanced coordination?

So it gets us a new vehicle that has that extra capacity that I spoke of.

I'll give you an example when we had our officers getting shot down at Tyler Court.

That was a major incident.

We outgrew the interior of that command post very quickly.

FBI couldn't come in, state police weren't in there, right?

So just the capacity and the ability to hold the number of people because new command posts, and I don't want to call them an RV, but everybody's familiar with a mobile RV that's got the hydraulic bump outs now, right?

You double your space very quickly.

Um whiteboards, computers, and that's the next thing I was gonna say capacity in terms of people, but capacity in terms of I want to be able to deploy the state police drone, and I want to be able to see that as an incident commander or operations commander on the screen.

We couldn't do that.

It was very, very difficult.

So this, you know, we asked, knowing that this was a stage thing, right?

That this vehicle potentially costs about 1.8 million dollars.

We knew that from the start.

We're staging this um in 750 and now a million.

So that it gets us a new vehicle with all of that extra features that I talked about.

But the original capital improvement bond was for a new vehicle.

So why is this one more expensive?

It's staged.

It's not the original amount that we asked was just for part of it.

Now we're uh now we're in a the following year, the next year we're asking for the rest of it to be able to pull it all together.

And what's the lifespan of something like this?

Right.

Well, this one lasted 10 years.

Um this one we did not have a place to store it.

So that that to hurt it right now, and we are looking for a place to store this inside.

That'll help the lifespan.

And one other thing, I know we've been talking a lot here, but I want to make sure I I hit this point.

We have been told that Senator Manion has allocated one million dollars of manion.

Senator Manion?

Congressman.

Congressman, I'm sorry.

My apologies.

My apologies.

Okay.

Thank you.

Congressman has a as appropriate senator for a while.

That's what I thought, but so anyways, we uh there's a potential for this one million dollars to come back um and reimburse or the same way we were talking about the last bond.

If we don't spend that million dollars because we get this um appropriated money, the city will be on the hook just for the 750,000.

Right.

Um where do you buy these?

There's a number of places.

This would be an RFP item.

This would be something that we would um look to spec out, lay out all of our needs and wants in terms of it, and then see who responds to us in terms of uh of what that looks like.

Are these custom bills or they are specific contracts?

Yeah, no, these are these this isn't you don't go to uh like I keep saying an RV dealership.

You this is a this is a company that takes that base model and then outfits it with um the needs of a of a mobile command post.

The fire department also have a mobile command post.

I'm I'm sure they do.

I'm sure they have a command post.

Can I can I go back while we were talking about mobile command posts?

I think this is very important.

I was at the Valley last week, Valley Plaza.

We had a police center.

The scientist still says Frank Fowler Police Chief, Ben Walsh Mayor.

Some of what we had on Westcott Street and on Butternut Street.

We had community policing.

I and I want to mention this now.

I think we have to go back to community policing.

I think that there's locations, and even though some of the plazas might not be fully filled, I think it's important that we have more police presence that we return to get the funding where we have these little community centers that people live in this neighborhoods can go to a place where they could talk to a police officer.

But until then, um I think, and I'm looking over Butterna Plaza where the sign is up.

Ben Walsh Mayor, Chief Frank Fowler, it's 10 years ago.

Yeah, we still have them, but it's empty.

And I it doesn't look good.

And I really think in the future we have to look go back to community policing.

I think the command posts are good, but I think we have to go back to where we were.

I know there's a lot of a lot of calls having police officers on the beat on the north side.

I hear in my council district, but I just wanted to, I wanted to say that.

Is everybody okay with item 54?

Or do you want me to hold it?

Yeah, I I'm okay with it, but I have a question that I feel like goes hand in hand with this.

Um we've had several incidents where, such as the Tyler Court um one, um, there was one on South Lion Street where individuals need to be evacuated from locations.

But during these evacuations, then you might have did what you need to do, and I just don't know about it.

But during the evacuations, a lot of people were outside.

Um, one of those incidents was in the winter.

Yep.

What have we invested in a in a van, a bus, a trailer, something, or are we working with Central?

What are we doing so that people aren't outside because they don't know how many hours some of these things can be in effect?

Yeah, super good question.

So we do we do all of what you just said.

So I'll give you an example on Tyler Court.

So we had to evacuate a number of people from their homes there.

So we negotiated with uh Central Bus who picked them up in a safe location, and then I worked with um Latif Johnson to identify a church, and that bus took all of those individuals down to a church.

Um I know I wasn't the incident commander on it, but up on um Park Street when he had the uh the house explosion not too long ago, we worked the Salvation Army on that.

So we definitely have and that and when I went back to the command post, there's an individual that sits in that command post that's the logistics chief, right?

That that identifies, okay, I need that resource, and I'm not the incident commander, I don't have to worry about that stuff.

My job is to get in touch with Central and identify a church or a location for these citizens to go to.

So, yes, all of that is done.

Okay.

Chief, I think I'm gonna hold um 54 as well for a committee meeting.

Do you by chance know what the square footage would be on this vehicle?

Square footage, no, I don't.

No.

But it's all do you know, yeah.

It's it's all readily available.

And I understand, I mean, I know we talked uh committee meeting does sound in order, and we can have all of we can have examples of what we're talking about.

We can have that would be great.

That would be how the uh what we have now.

Yeah, a bake sale.

And what do we do with the old donuts?

Command unit.

I'm sorry.

What do we do with the old command unit?

We well, we'd like to keep this.

Uh the old commands are great for just what we talked about.

If we have a short-term situation where we have to bring people in and warm them.

Um you would take all of that equipment out of that.

Yeah, it'd be a different purpose, but um, we'd still like to use it.

If there's an overflow um in terms of people we need to put into um a bus, then this is a perfect um place to put it.

It's just it's cool at a committee meeting.

Thinking we need to move on because we have to get uh we still think it's a good idea.

Counselor, Councilor Moore, I was just gonna ask, like if Chief, I mean, like um you're saying you're holding um those two.

Um, do chief need to provide what's gonna be in the vehicle or what you know um Yeah, I'll send yeah, yes.

If he can do that, we won't have to hold it because uh there's a lot of questions still, so I'm gonna hold it.

Um 55 is the same, 56.

Yep, uh 56 and 57 are again um uh capital bond ordinance authorizations.

This is for a new records management system for the police department.

The one that we currently have right now is 30 plus years old.

I came on with this system.

Um it takes a police call from the 911 center all the way through to the end with the arrest information that's in there, the people information, the police reports, um, all of that information in one location.

The system we're on now is very antiquated.

A police officer has to fill out multiple pieces of paper or report with the exact same information.

And then they have to make a copy of that report and bring it over to uh to the DA's office so the case can be prosecuted.

This will allow us to be more efficient by filling out a piece of information once.

It transfers all the police reports that are necessary for that particular incident, and then transfer to the DA's office potentially electronically, um, really streamlining the entire system.

This system is shared countywide.

We're very unique in that um our records management system um in Syracuse is shared by the sheriffs and other towns and villages because crime is very transient in this area.

So we can have that ability to share information.

Having said that, this would be an RFP and would go through that process that you know um Evan and Vinny to No, I'm just I'm looking at that that would uh you know, we're not looking to share this.

Would not go out the uh uh to the outreaches of of sharing that we have talked about under Flock or any one of those systems.

It's it's basically in county house.

Yeah, I think we spoke.

I'm gonna hold this item too.

I think that these are some pretty big items that we should discuss in committee.

So I'm just gonna hold those three for committee meeting.

Okay, and I think then that we're down to the final two 58 and 59.

This is our uh, and again, capital bond ordinance.

This is our typical vehicle replacement um schedule, the amount of three million three hundred and forty thousand, and just bear with me.

I have the breakdown.

I think you also have the breakdown of the vehicles there as well in terms of on marked marked and two vans.

But I'll pull it up just so I have it on the record here.

31 marked uh police vehicles on marked release vehicles for a total of three million three hundred and forty thousand.

Vehicles, can you actually give me a breakfast of how many take home take home vehicles we still have?

Absolutely, definitely can.

And and likewise, I would like to know what your fleet management plan is for hybrid or electric vehicles.

Again, price of gas is offering between four and five dollars per gallon.

It would be nice for us to, and when we do fleet switchovers, particularly if we're gonna need to hire mechanics with hybrid skills that we could have some uh coordinated momentum.

Is there a plan?

No, um so we have looked at it.

We heard your previous question, and then we were talking about so our mechanics looked at it.

Our vehicles are in use 24-7, and based on their evaluation of the hybrid vehicle, it would not be cost effective in order to use that vehicle.

It wouldn't stand up to the use that we are putting our vehicles through.

And even if we didn't do a wholesale fleet switchover, would there be the possibility of doing a gradual phased implementation of electric vehicles?

Again, I think um the demand with which we put on the vehicles being I mean, a car does not stop, right?

Even a car that's sitting in the parking lot where they're doing police report because of the electronics in there has to be running, right?

Or when they stop on a call, it has to be going.

We have inmates or we have prisoners in the back that have to stay heated or cooled, electric vehicle, hybrid vehicle.

They they did look into it.

It just the technology, I do not believe it's the model for a 24-7 vehicle like the ones that we have.

And I I think the to Consul Anna Wright point we had similar conversation, or at least we broach it in some shape or form.

And I had the same answer in which that because of the winter, because of the weather of the vehicle.

Just can't handle that.

But I think that's that's a larger conversation that needs to be had.

You know, it's other cities, New York City and Chicago have electric fleet vehicles.

And we we need to be looking our our entire city fleet, uh there are the vehicle that can transition into uh the electrical model and leaving the heavy utilized vehicle.

Understand it.

I want to leave you the impression that we're not doing anything.

We we did look into this, so that's why I'm you know we did look into it.

Not saying that we're stopping and not looking into it ever again.

I'm just letting you know that you know we did evaluate it, we are mindful of it, but when they did the the what that's what we found, not to repeat myself.

Are you okay?

That's yeah.

Do you guys want to hold this or do you want to go ahead with it?

You're good with it.

Thank you.

Thank you, Chase.

Thank you.

Uh Counselor Williams.

Thank you, Madam President.

I've got items 60 through 64.

And you're all over the agenda.

Yeah, y'all sick of seeing me yet.

So 60 is City of Syracuse to amend local law relative to the amount of the sewer rate.

And so sewer rates um would increase from 125 per cube 100 cubic feet to 135 per 100 cubic feet.

So 10 cent increase.

Hey, and can you put that in percentage-wise for people?

Is it like 0.001 or something?

It's an 8% increase.

8%.

And you know my question, but I think that's a good thing.

My brain doesn't work that fast.

You're all here.

Um I think the perhaps where councillor Moore is going is wondering what the impact will be on the average resident from that 8% increase.

Right.

Thank you for clarifying that.

Thank you.

Do you know what you know your your average homeowner, your average resident?

What will that translate to over the course of a year?

You know, I I don't.

I'm even thinking about my personal tax bill.

I don't know off the top of my head how much of that is sewer.

Um but we we all know why, right?

So inflation, tariffs, everything's going up uh for our costs as well.

So is there any connection?

So we just increase a four percent.

Water rate.

Oh, water rates.

No, we're increasing an 8% here.

What's the connection between the two?

I mean there's always a connection with with the water, but uh Rob's is clean water, mine is dirty water.

So his rate, you know, didn't increase my rate or anything.

It's not like um he he did that because there's an increase in water in there for an increase in physical you know, flow or anything for me.

Uh he did that, I assume because his costs went up and my costs are going up too.

So I would I would take if you know using a rusty math.

Yeah, so it it like a quarter for $50 a quarter, eight eight percent of that, right?

Or is Evan Evan?

Can you help us here?

What's finance?

Oh finance, somebody somebody full bucks a quarter.

I can't help you by telling you the exact number of the average homeowner, but I can I can tell you the difference between the water rates and sewer rates, water and sewer and separate funds.

So as Anne mentioned, you know, the water fund funds the water department provides clean water, the sewer fund uh the sewer sewer rates fund the sewer fund, which handles dirty water.

I will tell you from a macro perspective, we have been behind on our sewer rates, and our sewer fund has a relatively minimal fund balance.

We are we did budget to use almost two million dollars of fund balance in sewers alone, so even with a rate increase, we are still gonna be substantially behind where we probably need to be long term.

So I that that's what I can add.

I cannot add, but I'm sure we can find out and tell you before Monday uh what the average cost will be to a resident.

Yeah, if you can get that too, that's the thing we'd all appreciate.

We'll get you to it as soon as we can.

Thank you.

Yep.

Yep, and then are we good with that?

And 61.

61, Evan, that might be.

Oh no, it's not.

And hi there.

Uh interim commissioner of finance, Diane Astry.

Uh we are requesting to amend an existing ordinance to expand the scope for as needed audit services from Bonadio.

Um, we're also asking for an increase of 100,000 um per year.

So we can look at fiscal 26 year and fiscal 27 year with these monies.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Any questions?

Okay.

Thank you.

Um counselors.

Michael Lehman with the Department of Assessment.

Uh Department is looking to hire an appraiser for the property at 3614 Burnett Avenue and for companion parcels.

Uh Bruckner Tillett, Rossi Kahlen Associates with we've worked with uh successfully before thanks very much.

Uh it's in the town of DeWitt, just outside of the city border in East Syracuse.

This is where the dog shelter.

Yeah.

You don't want to say that.

Thanks.

Item 63.

Commissioner.

Executive session five minutes from now, Matt OJ Commissioner of Assessment.

Uh if there's time.

I know we're running a little long today.

Uh yeah, nothing that's gonna happen today.

Just a little bit.

Do you want to do it today?

Monday.

Monday.

Nice.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Councilman joke, that's how it's done.

Item 64.

America, hello.

America Trier with the downtown Syracuse Foundation.

Uh, this is an item to go to contract with the City of Syracuse to draw down on the Syracuse Cultural Festival funds, which were approved as part of the 26-27 fiscal year budgets.

These are funds that are run through an application process and awarded to nonprofits hosting festivals and events throughout the city of Syracuse.

You have done a great job managing these funds.

It's been a great partnership.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Thank you, Madam President.

Okay.

Uh Council Jones Frauzer.

Thank you, Madam President.

I have item 65.

Afternoon, Counselors.

Michelle Spensky, Deputy Commissioner of Neighborhood Development.

Uh hopefully this is an easy one.

Uh, you all already voted on this a couple weeks ago, and uh the law department recommended that it essentially stand as two ordinances, but we're awarding an RFP to authorized contractors.

Okay, so that's so we didn't add any new we didn't add anyone new.

It was originally you voted on it as one package item and the law department recommended that it be two items.

Okay, so nothing is changing.

Okay, because I was confused by it.

Okay, thank you ordinances for the same thing.

Yeah, okay thank you.

Thank you.

Um also take item 66.

Good afternoon.

Item 66 is to award an RFP um to power market.

This is essentially a community solar um for city uh facilities as opposed to the public.

We did an RFP, there's no cost to the city, and we get a guaranteed 10% savings on the accounts we're able to work through power markets.

So given our utility cost increases just like our residents, this is a major financial impact, positive financial impact for the city.

And I will I will say I was invited to be part of the RFP committee, could not make it, but did receive information from the budget director, and I'm fully comfortable moving forward.

Okay.

All right.

Are we are you are you all set?

Petrona, are you all set?

Yes.

Okay.

Uh council uh counselor.

On behalf of Council Monto, uh, we've got item 67.

Good afternoon, council.

Jake Dishad, Deputy Commissioner of Code Enforcement and Zoning.

Item number 67 is seeking uh approval to uh amend our battery energy storage system moratorium for up to another uh six months.

Uh being totally honest, we won't need that.

Um, but it is coming up on a uh expiration on August 23rd.

Um we're buttoning up the final draft, which was provided to all of you.

Um we have to complete seeker for the environmental review, and we have to refer it to Onadaga County Planning Board uh for their uh approval, and then once we have those three things ready to go, we will start engagement with you all, which can include you know committee meeting prior to the study session.

Um I think another month or two max, we we'll we can wrap this up.

No, I I Jake uh uh applaud you and everybody else that is taking the time to really make sure that we have something in play before we get hit in the face with all that.

Yeah, I mean it's been a department wide citywide offer.

We've had um engineering MBD fire codes, it's been um fully inclusive with everybody that would be involved with this.

So thank you.

Thank you, Jerry.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

So motion to like so I have a question.

I have a question.

Oh go ahead.

Um did Evan leave.

Oh, Evan, can you come back up?

I'm sorry.

Um for number 66.

Is this in tandem with that letter that went out earlier in the year?

No, that's why I was trying to make a distinction.

This is for city facilities.

This is not related to what's going on with residents.

Okay, okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Again, motion to adjourn.

Second.

Second, all in favor.

Uh