And I did it.

School.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But I said remember, you know.

Okay.

This is your all person or either.

Yeah.

How we're gonna change the world.

Yes.

Your community building.

Yeah.

All right.

We can get through these two items quickly.

Oh, good.

Oh, you do.

Good.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Moving on to somewhere else.

First of all, congratulations.

More importantly, we're at a five.

Where are you headed?

Where you where are you going to?

Wow.

That's not what I expected.

You're gonna get us to link back?

You're gonna give us the lake back?

Good.

I was expecting you to say, you know, Layton or Morgan Pountiful or you know, another city.

Good.

Two, three, four.

Some nights we say.

So do we have a do we have a new you yet?

No, it's review.

Uh not officially.

I saw that post, the planner one or something.

Is that replacing yours?

That's awesome.

Congratulations.

I think I'm perfect.

I was thinking that we were expanding and getting additional, but I was gauge.

I was like, oh, this is interesting.

Okay, it's everything.

Good.

Good.

So were you in the red area or were you a blue fireworks?

Oh okay.

I looked at that map.

Anybody in the red area?

I mean it it seemed like it was just kind of the outline areas, right?

Yeah, it seems like it which is that were kind of funny that they were read, but uh my my thought is it probably makes it easier for emergency research to focus on like smaller areas to keep on control a little bit and we don't have all the right randoms going out today.

We've been there for like three years.

I mean that are now that they don't have to control the whole city.

I can kind of focus on the high priority and joke to my wife.

It's like what if I asked the fire department what do you guys want to respond to tonight?

No, I mean yeah, just from practical standpoint, there's no way there's no way you can just like police the whole city.

This is it.

It'd be a waste of time and energy and just compare with I mean I push the movie.

All right, shall we uh get started?

I handled it.

All right.

We're gonna go ahead and bring uh the Syracuse City Planning Commission meeting for July 7th, 2026 to order.

We'll have an invocation or thought by Commissioner Baker, and then the Pledge of Allegiance will be uh led by Commissioner Haddock.

Thank you.

Uh I was actually gonna share a little story with you guys.

So this last week my neighbor uh who is a plant lover, gave me a lavender plant that she had in a pot with all the good intentions of planting probably three years ago.

Completely root bound.

Uh in other words, the roots can no longer get the air, water, nutrients it needed, the soil is totally depleted, the growth was stunted, it wasn't even blooming anymore.

She gave it to me.

By giving it a piece of ground, mulched it, watered it, it has space to spread out.

I can prune it, I can trim it, it'll thrive, it'll have flowers, it'll add beauty to my yard.

And I just thought that was a way of thinking about how we organize set up code, set up processes for the city.

Uh we can offer kind of that garden space, so to speak, where people can come from other places and thrive.

It's important that we we cultivate an environment through guidelines, city codes, etc.

where businesses where people can feel comfortable, housing developments of different styles, densities, whatever, to allow different people to mix and become a vibrant community at the same time.

You have to weed, you can't let uh unchecked growth just do whatever it wants.

You have to keep things under control, you have to keep it um in a way that can uh cultivate blossoms and beauty and growth and be an attractive place and not let it run rampant either.

And so my my thought is uh I think we can have the perspective of an opportunity offering an opportunity to allow our city to bloom and grow, encouraging growth, but without letting it run rampant.

I think there's a kind of a balancing act that we can try and do as we give recommendations to the city council and hopefully the city can continue to be a place that attracts businesses, people, and makes our community a better place.

Thank you, Commissioner Baker and Commissioner Haddock.

We'll take a motion to adopt tonight's agenda.

It's been posted in accordance with state law.

So move.

Do we have a motion?

We have a second.

Okay, all in favor?

Uh the agenda has been adopted.

We will uh uh move to the meeting minutes for the regular planning uh the regular uh planning commission meeting of June 16th, 2026.

I will uh abstain from this particular vote since I was not there.

Uh but barring any um barring any changes or updates that need to be made.

Chair, I've reviewed those minutes and didn't find any need for corrections or anything.

So I move that we approve the regular meeting and the work session for June 16th, 2026.

Second motion.

Do we have a second?

Second.

All in favor?

I mean motion.

Uh meeting uh minutes are adopted.

We'll move on to the public comment section of our meeting today.

This is an opportunity for the public to address the planning commission.

Uh, regarding items that are not on tonight's agenda.

If you have a comment that is open for public hearing, we would ask that you save your comments for that time.

But if you have anything that is not on tonight's agenda and you'd like to step forward, please do so.

Seeing none, we will close public comment.

Move to public hearing item number four.

Okay.

Stuck with me on this item.

Uh right here, let me get to it.

We we have some standards uh in the city that are adopted.

The Syracuse City Engineering Standards and Construction Specifications.

It's a mouthful.

Um if you read through it, it uh says how power and gas are to be installed.

Uh the depth, the location, and there's a accompanying drawing set of drawings that go with it.

Uh the yellow is gas and the red is power.

Uh gas is in the park strip, and then power is just right behind in the right behind the sidewalk in the utility easement.

And you can see the uh the depth that they're supposed to be buried, and there's primary power and secondary power, and then gas.

So it's pretty standard.

About you know, 99% of the homes in the city have a gas furnace.

Uh, but but there's been some changes and technology changes.

You don't always see a gas water heater.

You see a lot of tankless water heaters that are electric.

You also see a lot more electric furnaces, mini split ductless systems and things like that.

They're actually more efficient.

Uh but um there's there's also wisdom in having two sources of of energy in case of emergency.

And I know the a lot of people in Syracuse are into emergency prep.

And if the power goes out and it's a cold day, you could still fire on a gas fireplace.

Uh from a city's perspective, we have these standards of how they're supposed to be installed, but we don't necessarily have it spelled out that they have you know that it has to be installed prior to getting a building permit.

We we do have a list of of items that have to be completed before getting a building permit, and most of the time, both gas and electric um have been installed, and it's no problem.

But we did run into a situation where it wasn't, and then it wasn't entirely clear.

So we're wanting to make this correction that and make it clear that what we expect as a city is to install the natural gas and the electric uh to every building lot within a subdivision.

So whether or not a house decides to go all electric or not is up to them, but it it will be to the lot.

And then, of course, we want them to make sure that they install it in compliance with our specifications.

So that's the scoop.

Um, this is a text amendment, so it does need to go to city council.

We're looking for a recommendation.

All right, we'll go ahead and open public uh public hearing of this item.

Um if anybody has any comments from the public uh on this, we would ask you step forward or make yourself heard and please limit your comments to three members for less.

Seeing and I don't see anybody online, right?

Okay, so we'll go ahead and put close public hearing.

Uh we'll bring it back to commission.

Questions, comments.

This is one of those things that you go oops.

Um, I do have a question for the gas.

Would they have to have the gas line ran to a meter or is uh running a pathway for the gas enough?

The gas meters are always on the side of the house, and so this wouldn't have a meter or anything.

So this is just not actually referring to the gas line, but just the sleeve itself.

Yeah.

Um and maybe you know, this is why we have more eyeballs on it to make sure it's clear.

Uh well, we're not talking about running it to each house just in the street.

It just has to be stubbed.

Yeah, well, even not even technically stubbed, it's just in the in the roadway in front of the lot.

So the larger main, not each stub.

Right.

Okay.

Maybe there needs to be a sentence or something that clarifies that.

I don't know.

What do you guys think?

Well, and would this apply to any commercial subdivisions, or is this purely residential subdivision?

Uh this is this says within a subdivision, and we do have commercial subdivisions and residential.

I think we're mostly focused on thinking about residential, but it technically would apply to commercial.

Well, and it might help to clarify having it in the street, not necessarily stubbed out, because if it's commercial, I could see them not wanting to do it until the building permit, you know, they might want to do it at the same time as the building permit in a commercial scenario, whereas residential it needs to get to the street.

I think it's straightforward.

But um, if this applies to commercial subdivisions too, that might be worth considering.

There is a line that says in compliance with engineering standards and construction specifications.

So in my mind, that I would address a lot of those concerns.

I I don't know.

I feel like this handles it succinctly, but without leaving too much wiggle room personally.

It lock it locks down the problem where the problem exists, but still leaves the open for the for the other option for the other options.

Yeah, whatever you guys think we could add some sort of sentence that clarifies that we're we're talking about the main and not the lateral in the street or I don't know, sometimes there's private roads.

So that wouldn't be to every lot, it would just be to in the public street adjacent to the project or something like that.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, you know, just adjacent or a long, I'm trying to think of the verbiage I'd want.

Um as like said, but you know, it even refer to utility easement section, you know, so that they see these drawings and say, okay, this is it's just right up to the property line.

And if they don't build there, the gas line is still on the edge of that property.

Yeah, we could say to the property line, I I worry that if if it's a residential project, they wouldn't run it through all the streets.

All right, if we have uh if we have some uh comment comment that we could add to the uh motion, obviously you can do that as a recommendation to city council.

Yeah, we don't have to necessarily wordsmith it right right this minute, but if you know there is the general recommendation, uh you can include that in your motion and right we'll forward that on.

Can it be as simple as you know saying C specifications?

Doesn't it already?

Yeah, it already says I know that, but are there other specifies?

I mean, you guys have included the pertinent pages, but are there other species?

What I'm afraid of is that being too prescriptive, right?

Like it has to be installed with everything in the city standard details, and some of that might be more appropriate at the building permit time for commercial subdivision, right?

So maybe uh unless this is all that is there.

So the reference is not too broad.

Yeah, if you if you read here, it it you know, there's there's a lot more detail to it, but they are third-party utility companies and they have I'm sure manuals of all kinds of stuff, but this one just says improvements shall comply with the current Utah Power Department standards, which is not Utah Power anymore, but and then also says gas provider with comply with the standards of the gas provider as a minimum.

So each one of those companies will have really specific things that we're really not getting into.

We just know we want it to serve each unit.

Do we need to just for the purpose of keeping everything you know current?

Do we need to update that Utah power to current power company?

We could, but it's a separate document.

We've got our city engineer here.

Maybe that could go on his list of next time we amend that to make a note of that.

Yeah, I mean it's not that big a deal, just Utah Power is a while ago.

Yeah, they are they're always changing, it seems like I mean we I like that the gas says the gas provider because I mean we've gone from West Start a Dominion to Enbridge to who knows what they're gonna go next, just say power provider.

I like that the gas says the gas provider because I mean we've gone from West Art of Dominion to Enbridge to who knows what they're gonna go next.

Just say power provider.

But yeah, again, that that I think that's tangential to this issue right now.

Um, but yeah, I I think that like Noah said, we we don't need to wordsmith it out right now, but whoever does make a motion if you want to include making some verbiage additions as part of your motion, then please feel free.

So clarify for me, I'm the slow one today.

This document is not requiring that gas and power be stubbed onto the lot, just that the main line for those be where you've specified them to be.

Yeah, and it's it's really never been a problem because everybody needs power.

I mean, but we have had a situation where uh development didn't want any gas, and we're like, well, I guess we can't stop you.

And so we do have uh about half of RC Park West that has no gas.

The single family lots have gas to them, but the townhomes are all electric.

This is smart to codify this, I think.

Yeah, this is that that's a good loop.

I think this is gonna loop all so if everyone feels good, we'll take a motion.

I'll make this attempt.

Commissioner, I propose that we send a recommendation to the city council to accept this change in uh this ordinance wording, and with the concept that some of it is going to be cleaned up between now and then legit to include uh referencing the utility companies in a more generic fashion.

I think uh weren't you guys wanting something to clarify that it's talking about a main and the road adjacent to the property and not as not a lateral?

Yes, what he said.

All right.

So the motion to basically recommend to city council to approve change, uh changing the verbiage to that it's a main and not necessarily stubborn.

Correct.

All right, yes, Commissioner Nils.

Right.

Thank you, Commissioner Nielsen.

We have a motion.

Do we have a second?

Second.

All in favor, aye.

Any opposed motion passes.

Moving on to the next item.

Uh, this a public hearing for plot amendment, minor plot amendment to the Syracuse Arts Academy subdivision to dedicate the land as a public right of way.

Okay, here's uh another somewhat straightforward item.

Uh there will be this would won't change anything on the ground if you drive out here today.

Uh you'll see that this road is in, and then there is a they uh I guess uh call it a road slash driveway that goes back to the school, the uh BMX parks here, and then there's a city there's a city uh pump track feature right here, and there's a trail that goes along and cuts through uh with this subdivision in the school, the the city negotiated to make a trade for some right-of-way access for some land over here, the C1.

Uh the city ended up getting that C1 as a expansion to our public workshop, and then the the deal was that we would uh grant this to them in exchange for C1 with no money or anything being exchanged.

Uh but uh when it came time to actually um hand I guess dedicate the land to the school, uh we learned that that UDOT because of the way the city acquired this land from UDOT as a as it was free, and um we UDOT didn't want us to, or it'd be a violation of UDOT's rules if we were to dedicate it to a private party, even though the the road is there and the trails there, it's all public stuff.

There's no buildings or private buildings or anything on it, and there's no money transacted.

But to just to make sure we're in compliance with the UDOT standards, um we're proposing is a like a joint submittal from the city and Syracuse Arts Academy to just keep this in the city's name, but dedicate it as a public roadway instead of being dedicated to the school itself.

So this is now a or is proposed to be a road.

It doesn't it doesn't meet our road standards.

Our roads are supposed to be 60 feet and they're supposed to have a cul-de-sac.

Um, but there is a an associated maintenance agreement with the with the school that says that they'll take care of this non-standard roadway, they'll plow it, they'll resurface it, they'll take care of the landscaping.

And then as far as fire access is concerned, there's two points of access.

There's a crash gate down here, and then over here, and as far as I understand that it meets all the fire code as far as turnaround requirements and things like that.

So there's no concern there.

So on the ground, nobody will ever know any different.

It's just the legal background of it.

Ownership is being maintained by the city or being re ownership is being retained by the city.

That's all.

Cool.

All right, this is open for a public hearing.

Same rule as before.

We'll go ahead and public hearing.

Seeing none, we'll go ahead and post public hearing.

All right, back to the commission.

It's pretty straightforward.

I don't have any issues.

Yeah, okay.

Let's take a motion.

I'm not gonna slaughter another one.

I'll do it.

Commissioner Baker.

I move that the commission recommends to city council to amend the platform.

Is this a recommendation?

Or is this a just a this stays here?

So you don't have to recommend anything.

Right.

Okay.

So what's the adopt or what's the okay?

Uh we approve the plat amendment for the Syracusa Arts Academy subdivision to dedicate the land as a public right of way.

Uh to return to be in the the city's ownership and to be maintained by the Arts Academy.

Okay, thank you, Commissioner Baker.

We have a motion to have a second, second.

All in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed motion passes.

We uh we will move to item number six, motion to adjourn to our work session.

Make a motion, so moved.

All right, we have a motion.

Do we have a second?

Second.

All in favor?

We're adjoined to work session.

Department of Business City Council liaison.

Uh I don't see Abe here today.

Oh.

I beat him up.

Aha.

So there's no report.

Anything you have to tell a that I can comport that or I don't think so.

Okay.

All right.

So the attorney is not here.

Um do we have anything that he left for us or anything like that that needs to not that I'm aware of, unless do you have anything now?

No.

Okay.

Nope.

Upcoming agenda items.

Um, so we do have quite a few that are just kind of swirling around.

Uh all the all the ones in that west uh Westlake Landing subdivision there on 2700 South and 2000 West are still waiting.

Uh we also did receive some updates recently on the Rocky Mountain Wellness Project just west of City Hall.

Hopefully, we'll see that soon.

I'm I'm hoping one more revision and that will take care of it, and then we can schedule it.

So let's see, we also have holiday oil.

That's also possibly one more revision.

I'll be bringing that in.

Um let's see, we've got uh so I I guess in terms of final plots, uh, we did have with Falcon Landing, the applicant uh did point out to us that the state code has been changed to make it so that final plots are no longer under the jurisdiction of the planning commission, and so that becomes a staff level thing.

So we're currently working on an ordinance amendment, which I'll uh mention in a moment, but that will officially change that in our code.

So we just we've received a couple applications for final plots that we're gonna start processing at the staff level.

Um, so just so you're aware, but we will still bring preliminary plots to planning commission.

Um so we do have uh Falcon Landing phase one and two, but that'll be that staff level.

Um let's see, Walmart.

Uh they applied for some charging stations.

Uh we hopefully we'll see that next time.

Um that one seems like it's pretty straightforward.

They're just converting some of their parking into EV charging.

Um see we're also looking at a potential ordinance amendment uh next time to uh explore zoning expiration expiration.

Yes, not exploration.

So uh if the city council approves zoning that after a certain period of time, if no development occurs, it can revert back to its previous zoning.

We're just exploring mechanisms to make that work legally.

Um we should have that for you on the 21st.

Um and then let's see, we're also looking at an ordinance that would address uh drone delivery in the city, um, and also just drone regulations in general.

It's a technology that's moving rapidly.

We want to make sure that we have regulations in place.

So other than that, uh I believe that's it.

Thanks.

Awesome.

Thank you, Royce.

All right.

Uh we'll move on to commissioner reports.

Anyone have anything they would like to discuss?

Bring it.

I would just say out of curiosity, maybe Noah or Royce knows.

Have you guys had any feedback on Costco?

Like, I mean, I I know my wife has been there five times in the last week, so it's got to be doing well.

As far as I know, everybody's happy.

Do you get any kind of interaction with the the manager for tax projection reasons or anything like that budgeting?

Um we we do get a uh sales tax report, but it's usually a few months behind, so we haven't seen any data or not data that we've I'm sure that there will be an increase.

That is good.

All right.

Uh a couple of things I want to bring up.

First of all, uh Kayla, it's uh your last meeting with us now.

I want to make it public.

Thank you for all the work that you've done.

Uh you you filled some really good shoes with Michael, and so we're really appreciate it.

Um hopefully the next person will be able to do half as good a job as you have done.

So thank you.

Um also welcome our newest commissioner, I know that they did it officially, but say it on record for myself as well.

And then I do have a quick question for our city staff regarding um does the city have a it was described to me as a safe place for uh business transactions that are non commercial locations, in other words, if somebody like sells can't sell stuff, textile stuff out of their home and wants to a regular place to meet up.

Is there a place in the city that we have?

I know that there has been some concern with being able to sell things like at Glowy Sunshine or Founders Park without some kind of a permanent thing, and that's not allowed, but I didn't know if there was something else you can offhand vote.

I would defer the official answer to the police department, but I know in front of the police department, there is a I think there's a a stall that's that's labeled with a sign, uh, where I think you can if you're selling something on Facebook, you can go there, or if you have I don't know, a baby or whatever, you can drop it off.

Uh I can't remember what it's called though.

So that's why I'm saying it's I'm not this is not really in our wheelhouse in the community development department.

I just didn't know if there was something like official citywide that like at a park or something that is there any problem if they regularly meet at a city park.

I I don't see that as being like selling to the public or anything.

We we have an ordinance that says that you can't uh sell items at a park, like to the general public, and they recently revisited that because we were getting more and more requests for concessionaires for water, ice cream, carts, all kinds of stuff.

Snow cones, coffee shops, fireworks, you know, everybody's wanting to rent city property out to conduct private business, and city council weighed in and just felt that it is almost getting out of hand.

The dumpsters are overflowing.

There's the parking stalls are being taken from people wanting to go to the park for recreation leagues and things like that.

So they just said we're not going to do any more uh leasing of the city property uh as far for concessionaires at least.

There's I think the the the door is kind of still somewhat open as far as it's not like the city will never rent city property out formally.

Um but if they do it has to be approved by city council with a an agreement, and I know we have like ag leases on city property, we we've had like grazing um alfalfa, like some of our excess parkland, like this guy growing wheat on it, but what you're asking is just can you meet to sell something off of Facebook marketplace?

For example, if you uh made multiple say previous sales and you want to stay there, I'll be there for an hour, I'll be at this location for an hour, you can come pick up their stuff.

That's the reason is because it's not just a five-minute meetup, 10 minute meetup, it's uh I'm gonna be there from noon to one or for um that's probably a little a little bit different.

I know that there's uh a pair guy and he every year he gets a shipment of pairs, and he tells his clientele, like hey, the pairs are in, come meet me.

And we made him do a an agreement um with the city, and it says that he's gotta clean up his boxes and that if somebody gets ran over or they do something weird, like the city's not liable, but yeah, the public property, you know, a street is like the ultimate right of way, it's open all the time.

Um you can't park there for longer than like a day or whatever if you're but uh a park is kind of a step down, I think from a street, but it's still public property, it's open.

We're not but yeah, if you're if you're advertising like I'll be in X parking lot every Saturday from the hours one to two, like I don't think you can do that.

Just curious.

I've actually had multiple people ask that question the last few months.

I figured I would finally present that question.

Yeah, I mean that's my off-the-fly answer.

The city wants business, we want people to be industrious and start business and you know, supplement their income and also uh generate new products and services available to the city, but sometimes when you're fledgling business, doesn't make sense to be all the way registered, but we have to be careful because it is still business, and if you're selling a product, you should be charging sales tax and you should have a business license and you should be in a commercial area in some cases.

So it but like we're not going after like lemonade stands or little onesie twosie things, like that doesn't really move the needle as a concern.

Just curious, thank you.

Briefly, briefly, it said you know, someone mentioned baby drop off or you know, legal things, and most police stations do allow that, and every single hospital has a thing where a newborne can be dropped off.

Yeah, I think it may be in front of the fire station as well.

I don't know.

Safe exchange, that's the term safe exchange.

And apparently I was wrong, it's not in far in front of the fire department.

Please police has two stalls.

Cool.

All right, thank you.

Any other comments on commission?

I mean none, we'll uh take a motion to adjourn.

I move we adjourn.

All in favor.

I'm adjourned.

Thank you, everyone.

Yeah.

We had one that was like 15 minutes.

We actually milked out the most week.

Yes, good night.

Good night, guys.

I think my kids came last time.

We're gonna go to dinner after they made it about 25 minutes.

Then I got out there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So it's actually questions.

Oh we didn't just have one and uh this garden burger online works with some of them just are they probably subverted lines um I remember what's a word so it was a whole well sent to them they were almost like to the extreme last one they were almost like people like but we are uh requirements I can uh well I mean it's up until like the appearance and I have to grab it and then it's like um I called the uh basic you were looking good well yeah