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Tacoma City Council Study Session on Initiative 2, August 5, 2025

City Council Study SessionTuesday, August 5, 2025
BodyTacoma, Washington
SessionCity Council Study Session
DateTuesday, August 5, 2025
StatusFILED
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0:01

I'd like to call to order the city council study session of August 5th, 2025.

0:06

Clerk, will you please call the roll?

0:08

Councilmember Bushnell.

0:09

Present.

0:10

Deputy Mayor Daniels.

0:11

Councilmember Diaz.

0:14

Virtual.

0:15

Councilmember Hines.

0:18

Absent Councilmember Remba here.

0:20

Councilmember Sidalgay?

0:22

Here.

0:22

Councilmember Scott.

0:23

Councilmember Walker.

0:25

Absent Mayor Woodards here.

0:27

This study session material sent to you at 11.

0:30

All right.

0:37

And I'm going to call on interim city manager Kim to begin the presentation.

0:41

Thank you, Madam Mayor.

0:42

Deputy Mayor and members of council.

0:44

We are here to continue the conversation from last week.

0:48

Mayor and Council.

0:49

We're going to emphasize some of the questions that are still left outstanding in terms of enforcement.

0:56

And just by way of background, going a little bit to the last time a non-dissimilar, I think that's probably a different way of saying we had another effort for minimum wage in 2015, in May of 2015.

1:28

But just by way of background, in 2015, the City of Tacoma had both a paid leave as well as a minimum wage ordinance on our books under TMC, Title 18.20.

1:50

Tax and Licensing through this process did an extensive public outreach process when developing rules.

2:25

A dedicated web page for minimum wage as well as paid leave, as well as social media efforts as well.

2:34

We built the standards through a program that was focused on public education while providing a high level of support to businesses and protections for workers, kind of balancing the needs at that time.

3:32

Questions and complaints came through email, online submission through a web form over the phone, as well as in-person here at TMB, or Tacoma municipality of living.

3:43

And then additional background in 2016, voters passed initiative 1433.

3:49

This is that one year effort of having that task force look through a whole host of things over a very intense number of months.

4:02

So this is for the state process.

5:01

So on a biannual $700,000.

5:05

We have looked through Initiative 2.

5:09

We probably would need we it's not a problem, but you a lot of the things that staff has been doing over the last three, four weeks now has been focused on how would how might we actually enforce initiative two if council or the voters or another way in which this actually comes to fruition and this becomes ordinance.

5:34

We looked to the city of Seattle, and our city attorney brought some information for your consideration last Tuesday.

5:41

And just by way of just context, the City of Seattle's Office of Labor Standards enforces a variety of local ordinances, including minimum wage, paid sick and safe time, secure scheduling, app-based workers, wage theft, domestic workers, hotel employee protections, transportation network company legislation.

6:02

That's really essentially the gig workers that work for Uber and Lyft.

6:07

And looking over their budget, most recently for 2025, they had their adopted budget.

6:12

They employed 43 FTEs for an annual budget of $8.5 million.

6:18

So we took that for context and took a look at what might this look like to do a potential repeat of enforcement through tax and licensing.

6:28

And you did hear from the city attorney who's going to talk about some more enforcement in terms of what responsibilities the city attorney's office may have.

6:36

This is what we've looked at.

6:38

We estimate that recreating an employment standards division within the city of Tacoma to enforce initiative two enforcement, not adjudicate, not take a look at legal challenges, would it would cost approximately about 1.5 million to $2 million per year.

6:54

So three to four million dollars on a biannual standpoint.

6:57

This is probably light.

6:59

I just want to preface that because we did not want to say this is gonna cost millions of millions.

7:04

We just wanted to take a look at what might we start with a process.

7:09

And cost estimates are usually higher.

7:19

Inflation is a real thing.

7:34

So the costs could go up.

7:37

And you know, there's there continues to be a number of areas where we have unknown unknown uh material impacts to how we enforce this from an administrative standpoint.

7:48

Um that goes with saying the questions that we fielded from you all were both welcome and I have to say genuinely from a staff perspective.

7:58

I wish we had more answers for you all.

8:00

Um, but with the time that we've had so far, this is where we're at, and then we're gonna need more uh guidance from our legal team through our city attorney's office for enforcement.

8:12

For that purpose, I'm gonna pass it over to our city attorney Bacha for a little bit more on enforcement.

8:21

Thank you, City Manager, Mayor, Deputy, Mayor, and City Council.

8:27

Um, I'm gonna talk about the enforcement components of the initiative and how that might compare to what the city of Tacoma has done previously.

8:39

Um what I'd note first is um that the enforcement provisions that are in the initiative are not detailed, they don't contain procedural requirements, they simply contain enforcement.

8:55

So, for example, subsection 100A authorizes the city to enforce this chapter.

9:03

Um, and also authorizes and directs the city to adopt regulations within 120 days of the effective date of the initiative.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Labor Standards█████████████████████████████████████████████46%
Public Engagement█████████████13%
Procedural██████████10%
Personnel Matters█████████9%
Pending Litigation████████8%
Budget Equity Analysis███████7%
Arts And Culture███████7%
Summary of Proceedings

Tacoma City Council Study Session – August 5, 2025

The Tacoma City Council held a study session on August 5, 2025, to review Initiative Measure No. 2, a citizen-led labor standards proposal. Staff presented enforcement cost estimates and legal challenges, leading to extensive discussion. The Mayor announced she would not bring forward legislation to adopt the initiative and proposed a task force to explore labor standards. The council also approved a letter of support for federal legislation benefiting the Puyallup Tribe and discussed a $15,000 sponsorship for a documentary about Tacoma.

Discussion Items

Initiative Measure No. 2 Review

  • Interim City Manager Hyun Kim presented background on the city’s previous minimum wage and paid leave ordinances (2015) and the 2016 statewide initiative 1433. Enforcement estimates for Initiative 2, modeled on Seattle’s Office of Labor Standards (43 FTEs, $8.5M annual budget), would cost approximately $1.5–$2 million per year ($3–$4 million per biennium) for a new employment standards division within Tax and Licensing. Costs are likely higher due to inflation and unknowns.
  • City Attorney Chris Bacha noted the initiative’s enforcement provisions lack detail, leaving the council to define procedural requirements, remedies, and definitions (e.g., “adverse action”). He highlighted a conflict in the business license suspension language: one section says city manager “may” suspend, another says “must” suspend for repeated or intentional violations. This drafting error cannot be amended for two years if the initiative passes.
  • Councilmembers questioned the budget impact. Deputy Mayor Daniels confirmed that the city recently reduced 20+ positions and laid off staff to address a $15 million structural deficit. Using reserves for ongoing enforcement costs (people) was not recommended.
  • The Mayor stated she would not introduce legislation to adopt the initiative due to unanswered questions (e.g., impact on first responders, city operations). She announced a special council meeting on Friday, August 8, 2025, to finalize the discussion before the 30-day charter deadline. She will propose a 15-member task force to review labor standards, including minimum wage, access to hours, predictable scheduling, and workplace safety, and also plans to introduce a framework for shared language on labor standards from the Good Jobs Great Cities initiative.

Letter of Support for Proposed Federal Legislation

  • Mayor Woodards presented a letter of support for the Puyallup Tribe’s effort to amend the 1989 Settlement Act to allow tribal management of their trust fund. The letter underscores the city’s government-to-government relationship. The council expressed support.

Council Consideration Request – Grit of Destiny Documentary Sponsorship

  • Councilmember Sadalge requested $15,000 from the council contingency fund to sponsor a documentary titled “Grit of Destiny: City of Tacoma,” highlighting Tacoma’s cultures, history, and aspirations. The film aims to attract film production and will be available for city use. Councilmember Remba expressed support. The request is scheduled for a vote on August 19, 2025.

Key Outcomes

  • Initiative 2: No immediate action; the Mayor will not seek adoption. A special council meeting is set for August 8, 2025, to discuss next steps. The Mayor will introduce a task force ordinance and a labor standards framework.
  • Letter of Support: The council approved the letter supporting the Puyallup Tribe’s trust fund amendment.
  • Documentary Sponsorship: The request will be voted on August 19, 2025.
  • The council recessed into executive session to discuss potential litigation (not to exceed 30 minutes), followed by a committee of the whole.

Meeting Transcript

I'd like to call to order the city council study session of August 5th, 2025. Clerk, will you please call the roll? Councilmember Bushnell. Present. Deputy Mayor Daniels. Councilmember Diaz. Virtual. Councilmember Hines. Absent Councilmember Remba here. Councilmember Sidalgay? Here. Councilmember Scott. Councilmember Walker. Absent Mayor Woodards here. This study session material sent to you at 11. All right. And I'm going to call on interim city manager Kim to begin the presentation. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Deputy Mayor and members of council. We are here to continue the conversation from last week. Mayor and Council. We're going to emphasize some of the questions that are still left outstanding in terms of enforcement. And just by way of background, going a little bit to the last time a non-dissimilar, I think that's probably a different way of saying we had another effort for minimum wage in 2015, in May of 2015. But just by way of background, in 2015, the City of Tacoma had both a paid leave as well as a minimum wage ordinance on our books under TMC, Title 18.20. Tax and Licensing through this process did an extensive public outreach process when developing rules. A dedicated web page for minimum wage as well as paid leave, as well as social media efforts as well. We built the standards through a program that was focused on public education while providing a high level of support to businesses and protections for workers, kind of balancing the needs at that time. Questions and complaints came through email, online submission through a web form over the phone, as well as in-person here at TMB, or Tacoma municipality of living. And then additional background in 2016, voters passed initiative 1433. This is that one year effort of having that task force look through a whole host of things over a very intense number of months. So this is for the state process. So on a biannual $700,000. We have looked through Initiative 2. We probably would need we it's not a problem, but you a lot of the things that staff has been doing over the last three, four weeks now has been focused on how would how might we actually enforce initiative two if council or the voters or another way in which this actually comes to fruition and this becomes ordinance. We looked to the city of Seattle, and our city attorney brought some information for your consideration last Tuesday. And just by way of just context, the City of Seattle's Office of Labor Standards enforces a variety of local ordinances, including minimum wage, paid sick and safe time, secure scheduling, app-based workers, wage theft, domestic workers, hotel employee protections, transportation network company legislation. That's really essentially the gig workers that work for Uber and Lyft. And looking over their budget, most recently for 2025, they had their adopted budget. They employed 43 FTEs for an annual budget of $8.5 million. So we took that for context and took a look at what might this look like to do a potential repeat of enforcement through tax and licensing. And you did hear from the city attorney who's going to talk about some more enforcement in terms of what responsibilities the city attorney's office may have. This is what we've looked at. We estimate that recreating an employment standards division within the city of Tacoma to enforce initiative two enforcement, not adjudicate, not take a look at legal challenges, would it would cost approximately about 1.5 million to $2 million per year. So three to four million dollars on a biannual standpoint. This is probably light. I just want to preface that because we did not want to say this is gonna cost millions of millions. We just wanted to take a look at what might we start with a process. And cost estimates are usually higher. Inflation is a real thing. So the costs could go up.

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