All right, 6 30.

Uh, good evening, everyone.

I will call this a Tiger City Council meeting to order.

Uh, City Recorder Crager, would you please conduct a roll call?

Mayor Who?

Here.

Councillor Robbins is absent.

Councillor Schlack is absent.

Councillor Shaw.

Here.

Council President Wolf.

Here.

Counselor Anderson.

Here.

Councilor Godusi.

Present.

Youth Councilor Helleck.

Here.

All right.

Thank you.

So would you boy everyone please mute your microphone and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance?

Council and City teammates, do you have any non agenda items?

None from us, Mayor.

Seeing none, let's move on to recognition.

So today we will have the presentation of police life saving awards.

And Police Chief McDonough will uh come forward and present the award.

Good evening, Chief.

Thank you, Mayor.

Council.

I'd like to invite uh Officer Yamashita to come up here with me as well.

Go ahead and embarrass him a little bit.

It's not very often that we get the opportunity to recognize the great work that our men and women in the police department do.

Tonight we get the opportunity to recognize Officer Yamashida for truly saving someone's life.

And if we had the opportunity to show the body cam video, which I did review as a part of the uh decision to uh give this award, it is remarkable.

His decision to act is truly why this person is alive.

And I'd like to read uh the citation for the life saving medal.

To Officer Jordan Yamashita for life-saving efforts that occurred on January 17th of 2026.

Officer Yamashida arrived to find an unresponsive driver behind the wheel of a running vehicle in the parking lot of a convenience store.

Working deliberately to assess the situation, he determined the driver was unconscious and not breathing.

Acting quickly, Officer Yamashita gained entry into the vehicle by breaking one of the windows and remove the patient so he could administer CPR and deliver naloxone.

After a single dose of naloxone and several rounds of chest compressions, additional medically trained personnel arrived and took over care of the patient, eventually regaining a pulse and transporting the patient for further treatment at the hospital.

Officer Yamashida, aware of the seriousness of the situation, acted purposely to save the patient.

Officer Yamashida's actions reflect great credit upon himself, the City of Tiger, the Tiger Police Department.

He demonstrated our core values of attitude, leadership, integrity, service, and teamwork.

So congratulations.

Thank you.

And I also have the actual uh medal here that uh you can wear on a class A uniform.

Um you've got the the other one.

And uh did you want to do photos?

We would love to.

That would be great.

All right.

Thank you, officer, for your service, and thank you, Chief, for the presentation.

Uh so let's move on to uh next item, which is the city manager report.

Uh acting city manager Trish will give a brief report.

Good evening.

Good evening, Mayor, Council, members of the community and my Tiger teammates.

Robert, if you wouldn't mind putting up the slide.

Great, thank you very much.

Well, good evening again.

Meet with high school students to help inspire the next generation of innovative engineers, and we're proud to be part of it.

On the Capital Project's front, uh we have uh many engineers working on every part of the Capital Project delivery process.

We currently have 91 proposed projects in our five-year capital improvement project program.

This is a strong pipeline of work focused on maintaining and improving the infrastructure that makes Tiger such a wonderful place to live, do business, and play.

A few projects currently underway include the Cook Family Park Accessible Dock Project, McDonald Street Improvements, Steve Street Park, and Red Rock Creek Stabilization.

And I'll invite uh anyone to uh visit our Capital Improvement Projects page on the City of Tiger website to learn more about the projects in progress and how members of our community can be involved either by preparing comments or having conversations about the work in their community.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Counselor, any questions or comments?

Seeing none, thank you, Acting City Manager Trish.

Let's move on to the next item, which is public comment.

Public comment period provides an opportunity for members of the public to address the city council.

While it is not a dialogue, either I or staff will follow up to address the issues brought forward in these comments.

The calling number is 503 966 4101, and those wishing to comment should call now to get into the queue.

Anyone present wanting to comment should sign up on the public comment form at the front of the room.

First one is the written comment.

Next item will be the in-person public anthem.

And I have two people who sign up.

The first person who signed out is Julia Kai.

Good evening, Julia.

So please come forward.

Make sure the microphone is on and state your name and where you what city you live in, and you have two minutes after that.

Is it on?

There we go.

Good evening, Mayors and Councilmember.

My name is Juliet Kai.

I actually am a resident of Beaverton, but I'm a volunteer with Oregon Fallen Daff Association.

We are a local uh nonprofit organization and the local presenter of Shenyun.

And today I brought a package for each council member to give you some background because we want to invite you all to come to the coming season of uh Shangun Performing Arts.

We will have uh four shows in April of 2026 at Cala Auditorium.

Um I want to just take a few minutes to explain to you some of the background.

Uh many people mistakenly thinking that Sheny is from China.

Um actually, Shen is an American performing arts company based in New York.

It was established in 2006 and it is completely self-funded.

It doesn't receive any funding from the government or corporations.

Majority of the performers are Chinese descendants born outside of China.

Um their programs showcase the authentic and traditional Chinese culture without the communist influence.

The 2026 season marks the Xenin's 20th anniversary.

Um in the past two decades, it the company has grown from one company into eight uh companies each year.

They put on a completely new show and tour around the world.

Last season they performed 799 shows in 26 countries, including three shows in Poland and three in Eugene.

Um this number in themselves speak the popularity of the show.

However, most people don't realize that the Xeny has been under attack by the Chinese government since the very beginning.

Each year, the Chinese embassies and consulates contact the theater managers, mayors, even leaders of uh state trying to pressure them to cancel the show.

Uh there were also instances where they hire people to sabotage the show by slicing the tires of the company buses.

As the show grows more popular, the tactics used to undermine the company also escalated in the past few years, and there have been death prom death and bomb threats to the sent to the theater performers, even uh supportive members of Congress.

Um I will have to ask you to wrap it up.

Okay.

So anyway, I just want to give you an example.

In 2023, uh the federal court charged and later convicted two Chinese agents for attempting to bribe an undercover FBI agents uh post as internal revenue service off officials.

Their specific goal was to strip chain of its nonprofit uh status.

So with this information, I just want to let you know that Shaving Performing Arts is a faith-based performing arts group and uh it reflects in its program.

Uh it shows divine beings.

You have to stop now.

So thank you for your time.

Thanks.

It's way over two minutes.

We'll have the material, so we'll review it.

So thank you so much.

Thank you.

All right.

So next item on our agenda is Jeff Darlin.

Good evening, Jeff.

Hi.

I wrote so I tried to stay up.

Yeah, so after you say your name and what city you live in, you have two minutes.

Hi there.

Um, my name is Jeff Darling.

I live here in Tiger.

Um I submitted comments in writing, um, but I wanted to use a little bit of time to highlight a big concern which addresses some of the future agenda items five and six um tonight.

The pace of development commitments in uh River Terrace 2.0 and King City expansion, the water city, the water expansion, are moving uh much faster than the financial frameworks that are supposed to accompany them.

Uh that gap I think deserves the council's attention before any final action is taken on those matters.

Tonight, um, one of the agenda items is the annexation of River Terrace 2.0, and you're also maybe going to receive a briefing on the water infrastructure expansion.

Neither area yet has a defined plan district, a funding strategy, or adopted system development charges.

The rate study, as my as far as I know, the rate study that determines who pays for reservoir 19 and the aqua storage wells and the Lake Oswego Tiger Transmission line has not even begun yet.

Um Kingston Terrace is already underway.

Over 1,100 units have been approved and homes are being built.

Every water connection made before these charges are updated is a connection that likely won't pay its full share of the infrastructure it requires.

The difference doesn't disappear.

It gets carried on by us, the people living here, and paying water bills today.

Um we've seen this pattern before with electricity where infrastructure pace outruns rate setting, um, and existing customers ended up subsidizing new arrivals.

So I would ask before moving forward with either river terrace 2.0 annexation.

I guess I'm asking the city to conduct a formal retrospective review of River Terrace 1.0 SDCs, confirm they were effective, and use that data to update our charges now.

And in parallel, I'm asking the council to expedite the establishment of meaningful system development charges for King City water expansion before the window narrows further on both these fronts and the burden shifts to our current taxpaying base.

That's hard.

A lot more in writing.

Thank you very much.

Yes, we did receive your written comment as well.

So thank you for coming.

Thank you.

Uh anybody else who want to make public comment and who has not signed up.

Seeing none, let's move on to uh phone or video.

Uh Mr.

Walters are there any callers in the queue for phone or video testimony?

There are no callers.

Thank you.

All right, so let's move on to the uh next item on the agenda, which is the legislative public hearing continuation, which is River Test 2.0 annexation.

I will open up the public hearing.

Um I just want to mention the staff is recommending council continue the annexation hearing for River TARS 2.0 to a date and time certain of June 2nd, 2026.

And assistant community development manager Warren is available for any questions.

Counselor, do you have any questions or do you have a motion?

I move to continue the public hearing for case number ANX 2025-0001.

Did I get my zeros right?

Uh to the regularly scheduled city council meeting of June 2nd, 2026 at 6:30 p.m.

And I'll second the motion.

Thank you.

The motion being uh moved forward by Council President Wolf and second by Councillor Shaw.

Is there any further discussion?

Uh council Councillor Anderson, please go ahead.

No.

All right.

Uh so those in favor say aye.

Aye.

The motion is adopted uh by an anonymous vote of the council present.

Public comments may continue to be submitted on this item prior to that date.

And the council will take public testimony in the continuous hearing on that date, which is June 2nd, 2026.

All right.

I'll close the hearing.

So that's uh move on to the next item on the agenda, which is receive briefing on findings at recommendation related to the Kingston Terrace addendum to the 2020 water system plan.

And senior project engineer Horton will give the staff's staff report.

Good evening.

Good evening, Mayor.

Good evening, Council.

My name is Ross Orton.

I'm a senior project engineer with the Public Works Engineering Division.

And uh, like the mayor said, I'm here to give you a briefing on the findings of the Kingston Terrace uh addendum to our 2020 water system plan.

Uh next slide, please.

So before we talk about the addendum to the system plan, I just want to give you a quick overview of uh what system what the water system plan is and what it covers.

So uh the water system plan is a comprehensive uh evaluation of our water system.

Um it covers anything from current infrastructure to current usage to uh recommending capital improvement projects for future improvements and future expansions.

Um it's something that's required by law, and we update it uh every five to ten years uh on a regular basis, but when major changes to our water system uh happen, uh we handle those as as addendums to the existing water system plan.

Um and the last addendum to our water system plan was in back in 2014 for Gravity Terrace 1.0.

Um next slide, please.

Oops.

So we have Tiger has an intergovernmental agreement with the city of King City to provide water to them.

Um we not only have to supply King City, but also any areas that King City annexes into their city limits.

So next slide, please.

Back in 2024, uh Kingston Terrace approved the Kingston Terrace Master Plan, which uh absorbed URA 6D into King City.

Um their plan uh or that that absorbed 528 528 acres.

Um and the plan calls for approximately 4,100 dwelling units to be uh developed in that area.

Um and this is again all area that uh City of Tigert has to serve with our water system.

Um the Kingston Terrace Town Center, uh it's kind of just south of uh Beef Bend out near Roy Rogers, that's currently under development.

Um we're expecting that to be developed by 2020, sorry, 2033, uh, with the remainder of that Kingston Terrace area being developed by 2053.

Uh so this is a major change to our water system.

It's gonna expand the water existing water system by about 20%.

So we uh prepared a addendum to our uh water system plan um utilizing the same planning criteria that we used in the 2020 water system plan.

So we looked at things like storage, uh our water supply, what fire flow needs are out there, and what pumping capacity is needed to serve the area.

And uh if you turn to the next slide, please.

Over the next few slides, I'd like to just discuss some of the results of that Kingston Terrace uh water system plan addendum with you.

Um so first we had to determine what the demands were for uh Kingston Terrace and uh on the uh left left hand side of that slide here.

Uh we go through some of the assumptions that we we include for all of our water system planning about how much water people use per day, uh how many people are in each house, what percentage of that water is needed for irrigation and commercial customers and things like that.

Um so the figures on the right show our estimated demands of Kingston Terrace at build out.

Um there's the average daily demand is uh important number.

That's kind of the average of what this area is gonna demand uh over the course of a year.

So on an average day, uh Kingston Terrace at full build out is going to require an additional uh 1.1 million gallons of water.

Um the maximum daily demand, uh, that's something that usually happens in early summer.

Um, we're expecting to have to serve an additional 2.2 million gallons of water to Kingston Terrace.

Um this last figure, the peak hour demand is uh the maximum demand that's used in a single hour.

Imagine everybody coming home from work and uh you know cooking and taking showers at night.

That's when we'll see our peak hour demand, and that uh equates to an equivalent of an additional four, almost four and a half million gallons uh of water for a peak hour.

So uh these are not insignificant changes to our water system.

Um next slide, please.

Uh so we also looked at storage, looking at our existing reservoir capacity in the pressure zone that's going to be serving uh Kingston Terrace.

Um as of right now, we're looking at a uh we'll be entering a deficit of storage deficit in the near future.

Um we do have uh capital improvement plan reservoir 19 already in the works to to address this, but um without making any improvements to our water system, we'd be looking at a pretty significant uh storage deficit to serve Kingston Terrace.

Next slide, please.

Uh so we also looked at our water supply.

Um there's there's two charts here.

The one on the left is the one that's included in the water system plan addendum.

Um, and that shows a supply deficit starting in 2030.

Um this water system plan addendum did not take into account an existing capital improvement project, uh, the Lake Oswego Tiger expansion project, which will add an additional four million gallons per day of supply starting in about 2031 is when we're anticipating construction to be finished.

Um the the chart on the right uh is a little bit more uh accurate as far as the current City of Tiger uh capital improvement plan.

Um we're expecting a supply deficit to start about 2050.

So by the time 2050 comes around, we'd have to come up with a new source of water, whether that be an additional drinking water well or supply from uh a different municipal source like the Willama Water Supply Project.

Uh next slide, please.

Um and then these last two items that we analyzed were pumping analysis.

If we have the capacity to pump the water to where we need to.

Um the Kingston Terrace addendum, again, this chart doesn't show uh the LOT expansion project, uh, but counting in the LAT expansion project, which is already in the works, we are not expecting a pumping deficit with the Kingston Terrace expansion.

Um in the same vein, we're not expecting any fire flow issues uh with proper design of the pipe network out in Kingston Terrace.

Um we won't have any any fire flow or or uh uh pressure issues out there.

Uh next slide, please.

So we're talking about Kingston Terrace right now, but coming down the Pike at us is also River Terrace 2.0, uh, which is another plan to incorporate uh more urban reserve area into the city of Tiger.

Um we'll be coming to council later this year to present uh the the plan for River Terrace 2.0 and also a water system plan addendum for River Terrace 2.0, but just to uh give you guys all the information and kind of in full transparency here, our initial analysis of the River Terrace 2.0 area looks like it itself will demand an additional 1 million gallons per day of water on an average day and two million gallons per day on uh a maximum daily demand day.

So uh adding River Terrace 2.0 to Kingston Terrace, we're looking at at full build out of both of these areas, uh, looking at anywhere between two and four million gallons of additional demand per day with these areas.

So definitely a lot of planning to do as far as incorporating these areas into our system.

Um next slide, please.

Uh but we do have a plan.

Uh so uh there are some required system improvements that are gonna be needed to serve Kingston Terrace, and these were all identified in the Kingston Terrace system plan addendum.

Um the first is piping upgrades.

There needs to be new transmission piping installed to bring water from uh where the transmission piping currently ends or currently ended out at 150th and beef bend out to the river terrace, sorry, the Kingston Terrace area.

Those piping upgrades are typically installed by developers as the area develops, but our construction inspectors and me myself, I review the plans to make sure that those piping upgrades are in line with what's in the Kingston Terrace addendum.

So we're not anticipating any issues when it comes to those piping upgrades.

The KT addendum identified that additional storage that's needed.

Approximately 7.5 million gallons of new storage is needed in the that pressure zone by 2050 to serve all these customers.

Again, we do have a reservoir project already in the CIP to cover that and the additional water supplies needed.

So we have currently on on in the in the works an additional 4 million gallons a day with the LOT expansion project, which will get us past 2040 and into the mid-2040s before we see the deficit.

And at that point, we'll need to have a new source online to serve the area.

Next slide, please.

So we do have in the current capital improvement plan a number of projects to address these upgrades that were identified in the Kingston Terrace addendum.

The first one I talked about is the LOT expansion project, where we'll be expanding our current supply with Lake Oswego from 14 to 18 million gallons a day.

We have the Reservoir 19 project in the works to construct a new reservoir on the south side of Bull Mountain to serve this area and also the River Terrace 2.0 area.

We've completed a siding study for that.

We'll be starting land acquisition here in the near future, and we're expecting construction to happen in the early 2030s by 2032.

That that reservoir should be online.0.

That project's kicking off here in the near future, and we also have a uh Aquifer storage and recovery well expansion feasibility study to allow us that that's the first step in us installing up to two new ASR wells to expand our our supply.

Um so that feasibility studies kicking off later this year.

Um and finally we'll be uh starting off with our water system plan update and a subsequent uh system development charge rate study.

Um the water system plan update will start later this year.

It will take into account the information we found in or the findings we found in the Kingston Terrace Addendum and the upcoming River Terrace 2.0 addendum so that we can comprehensively plan these water system upgrades into our capital improvement plan.

And once that water system plan update is finished, uh we will start the next water system SDC rate study to make sure that we have the rates in place to uh build all this new infrastructure.

Uh that is kicking off later this year in uh after July of this year.

Um next slide, please.

So just a quick review of the findings of the the KT addendum and what we are going to be asking of council here.

Uh the first is that Tiger is obligated to supply King City and Kingston Terrace with water.

Um this Kingston Terrace addition is a significant addition to our our water system.

So we have uh completed the Kingston Terrace WSP addendum to help plan for these improvements that are needed.

Um we have capital improvement plan projects in place to support the initial phases of Kingston Terrace, and with our next water system plan, we'll have a full comprehensive understanding of uh all the projects that are needed and all the funding sources needed for those.

Um so uh I'd love to answer any questions you guys have today about the uh Kingston Terra about Kingston Terrace and the water system plan addendum.

Um and then we have on the schedule for the March 10th meeting a resolution to uh adopt this Kingston Plan Kingston Terrace WSP addendum as an official part of the water system plan.

Next slide, please.

And uh happy to answer any questions you have.

Yeah, thank you for your presentation.

I guess we can start off by um Mr.

Jeff Dodling's uh question.

I'm assuming you read his public written comments, and can you do you care to respond to some of the point he raised?

Yes, so our current water system plan uh system development charges do include some of the projects needed for um some of the projects for the Kingston Terrace edition.

So we have in there uh funding for partial funding for Reservoir 19.

We have full funding for the Lake Aswico Tiger expansion.

Um we have funding for the ASR feasibility study.

Um we also have in place funding for Reservoir 18, which was recently constructed.

Um Reservoir 18 is similar in scope to the needed reservoir 19.

So even though Reservoir 19 is only partially funded with the current water SDC fees, the SDC's fees that we're collecting as related to Reservoir 18 um kind of fill that funding gap for the time being until we can finalize the SDC rate study for uh the next water system plan.

So the the current SDC fees are not probably not totally in alignment with what the total costs are going to be for uh Kingston Terrace and eventually River Terrace 2.0 uh but it's not like we're completely deficient on funding for those.

We are using the current SDC funds uh that are collected for projects that have already been completed uh to help continue fund those future projects needed for the the water system expansion.

Okay.

So there's uh so there's no urgency to have an SDC study before all this is adopted, is that what you're saying?

I'm not saying it's not urgent.

Uh-huh.

I do think that it's important to update our our water system SDC fees.

Um it's something that we can look into a little bit further as to how the current SDCs compare to what our anticipated costs are for uh Kingston Terrace and River Terrace 2.0.

Right.

Um but I I we'll look a little bit more into that and get back to council before the next meeting.

And also I think related with um for River Terrace 2.0, it it's the city's property, so we're gonna collect SDC.

But for Kingston Terrace, we don't collect SDC fund them.

Correct?

We collect water SDCs.

Oh, we do.

Okay, that's good.

All right, thank you for calling it.

All the current uh water infrastructure that's going into Kingston Terrace.

Um we like whenever meter gets put into the ground, we'll collect an SDC for that.

Thank you for the clarification.

Not I think because Kingston Terrace is outside of City of Tiger, we don't collect the other fees.

Right.

But the water we do because it's our water system.

Great.

Counselor's questions?

Counselor Shaw.

Thank you, Mayor.

Um, I too was equally intrigued and thankful for Mr.

Jeff uh Darlin's comments.

And one issue he did raise with with regards to the IGA, and um that it may warrant scrutiny just because it had been written before Kingston Terrace infrastructure costs were known.

And I I'm not sure if you could answer that now because you received the letter maybe just shortly.

But um, do you also agree that this fee is constrained and could be problematic for and I think you called it uh not completely deficient but somewhat deficient on funding I don't know how updating the IGA is going to affect STC fees.

Um that's something we can look into, but the I I think we're bound by the current IGA that says we serve water to King City and all of its annexed areas.

Um we can look into that.

I can talk with uh Joe and Brian and see if there's any any need for that.

But I I know our current IGA with King City is um it's valid for going into the future, so I don't know if we're in a place right now where we can renegotiate it.

Yeah, I think Ross covered it uh quite well.

The IGA um sets up the guidelines that we are to serve this area, and it would be the FCC methodology that would really set the rate.

Um just to add on a little bit to what Ross was explaining on the SDC project list right now uh with the number of planning efforts that are underway with our water system.

If we were just looking at Kingston Terrace right now, we would most likely be moving into a water SDC methodology update shortly after this.

However, with having River Terrace 2.0 um addendum coming up and then the water system plan citywide, incorporating both of these in short order, um, the way our water system operates, it is a citywide impact.

It's not just a uh regional impact for the water system.

Uh so we really have to look um holistically at the whole system when we update the rate, and if we were to do it incrementally, then council would be faced with potentially changing the rate three times in near future um with all these efforts taking place.

So taking a quick look at our current project list that has fed into the current SDC rate.

We're confident that the near-term projects are afforded based on our current rate.

Um we will put some effort into uh evaluating that rate just to see um you know, test that a little bit closer.

Um but with the Reservoir 18 project falling off reservoir 19 starting up, uh we're we're confident these projects will be afforded in near future.

Um and then with system planning efforts being updated every five years on average, um, at most 10 years, um, things like the ASR four project that will take place maybe 15 years out yet from right now, once we get through this feasibility study and know what that project will be that will get included in a future water system plan update and a future rate study that would be even after the efforts that we're talking about today.

Um so some of the projects that are needed will be far enough out that they're incorporated into future rate studies and accounted for your question.

Thank you very much.

I think that helps uh the context and help set the stage.

Um is this something by I know we're hearing this uh March 10th.

Is this something we can have additional um whether it's a spreadsheet on the dollars it would cost?

Because right now it seems very nebulous, and I'm still a little concerned about we're not completely deficient, but we are deficient, so that's a one concern I have.

And then also I am intrigued by the idea of um doing a retrospective review of River Tears 1.0 just to see if indeed there was effectiveness of the allocation of SDCs.

Not sure if you can address that.

Um Yeah, well, we're happy to report back definitely before the March 10th or at the March 10th meeting.

Um some of the efforts in River Terrace 1.0 that I can comment on is there's been very few um city capital projects that had to be delivered as part of River Terrace 1.0, it was primarily all delivered by private developers.

Um Reservoir 18 was partially serving River Terrace 1.0, so that's probably the biggest capital project out there that would um that we can comment on or provide more details.

Uh but across all systems out there, and tonight we're just talking water, but streets, parks, everything.

Um almost everything that you see out there has been private development provided, and um some of it's offset by credits, but that is not money out to developers.

You know, it wasn't projects we delivered and projects we paid for.

Um it was offsetting credits to fees they would have paid.

Uh so we can definitely provide a list of capital projects.

There's been a few, uh, but it's a pretty short list relative to the improvements that have been completed out there.

Yeah, so yeah, please do.

Uh Council President Wolf.

Um I'll be fast because uh thank you, Councilor Shaw.

I was going to actually request the same thing of giving us that kind of financial analysis so we can paint that picture.

So thank you, Counselor Shaw.

All right.

So yeah, so we'll we'll really much like that kind of information before the the next uh adoption hearing, which is March 10th, right?

So yeah.

So thank you so much for your report.

Thank you.

Thanks.

All right, so next item on our agenda is uh downtown reimagined alternative discussion.

And senior planner Shanks were uh showing us remote remotely to give the staff's report.

Uh redevelopment manager Farley, uh senior transportation planner Gherkey and principal engineer for available either here in person or remotely uh if if we have any questions for them.

So uh good evening, um Susan.

Good evening, Mayor Who.

Uh can you hear me?

See me?

I hope I hope I'm not on the giant screen.

No, we can we can see your slide, so that's great.

Okay, great, great.

I'm glad I'm not on the giant screen.

So um yes, good evening, Mayor Who and Um City Council's.

Um I um I've I work in the community development department.

My name is Susan Shanks.

I'm a senior planner there.

I um have met and know some of you, but this is probably the first time that some other of you are seeing me.

Um so I am actually here to present the downtown Tiger Reimagined um project briefing.

It's been a long time since council has heard about this project.

And um I won't be able to give an in-depth briefing on everything that has come before.

So I hope that those counselors that were unfamiliar uh read the memo that I sent council back in October and availed themselves of the information that we have available on our website.

And I'm happy to answer questions about what has come before, but I'm mostly going to focus on the phase that we're in now, which we're just calling phase two.

But just in general, the downtown Tiger Reimagined Project is a long-range planning project, and the first phase updated our comprehensive plan related to downtown redevelopment.

And the second phase will be looking to update well implementing basically those updated policies and goals that we uh that were adopted into the comprehensive plan.

So next slide, please.

So just to give you a little project background, like I said, I'm not going to give you a ton.

Next slide, please.

The study area that we've been looking at is downtown, but a little bit more expanded than our current downtown boundary, primarily because we wanted to include the library, which is kind of in your lower right hand corner, kind of to the bottom of the page.

And we also are including the area on the other side of Hall Boulevard that is on kind of in the middle of the slide to the right that is where potentially, I mean, there is a future planned Southwest Corridor Light Rail project in that area.

And so we're looking at that area and a little bit more about that later.

But we're kind of looking around the edges of what is currently our downtown boundary, just to make sure that we're not missing anything.

Next slide, please.

And just for those of you who don't know, there was a visioning project back in 2020.

I know that's been a while, but to update the vision associated with downtown and what people want to see there, both in terms of types of businesses, but just the look, the feel, and so the vision as it stands now that has been adopted is that we want our downtown to be vibrant, active, and welcoming, and it really being the heart of the city of Tiger.

Next slide, please.

And after that vision was developed, that's when we moved into the first phase of this project, which, like I said, updated our comprehensive plan.

And we are focusing now with this phase on updating the zoning and our community development code, specifically our plan district regulations that govern redevelopment in downtown.

That's what we're focusing on now.

And what this slide is showing you is how the downtown reimagined project as a long-range planning project fits within the broader state and regional land use framework as well as our local land use framework.

So that blue bar in the middle that says downtown Tiger Reimagined Project, that is this is the project.

And anything that we do with respect to land use or that we codify in our development code or comprehensive plan, we have to ensure that it is consistent with state and regional land use policies and goals.

But our long-range planning projects really can reflect our local priorities and values, and so this is how these projects kind of fit in between state and regional goals and our own local city goals.

And so we are focusing on updating our local land use policies as shown here below that blue bar, as well as our local regulations.

Next slide, please.

So when council last um heard about this project, which was when the comprehensive plan updates were adopted, the counselors at that time expressed some concern about bike facilities and some speed limits on specific streets in downtown and specifically not just bike facilities, but the lack of dedicated bike facilities.

Currently, for example, on Main Street, there is no dedicated bike facility.

There are paint markings on the in the vehicle travel lanes, which indicates to a cyclist that they are allowed to travel in the vehicle travel lane with cars.

And that's true for Burnham Street.

Well, pretty much every street in downtown, there are no specific dedicated bike facilities like a bike lane.

So there was concern expressed from several counselors about that as well as the high speeds on those streets.

And then there were questions about how the recently adopted goals and policies, development regulations related to the Tiger Made project, and made was a project that updated our employment land zoning.

But so there was just questions about how the mixed-use employment, mixed-use commercial and mixed-use residential zones, like would they carry over into downtown?

So they're just questions about that.

And so, you know, we've we've uh we've looked at that closely.

Um then lastly, there was concern about what was recommended at the time from the project team as well as the team of consultants we had about the maximum building heights along Hall Boulevard, specifically in the area where a future proposed Southwest Corridor Light Rail Transit project is planned.

So like Hall and Burnham Hall and Commercial that area, that there was concern about the heights there.

So essentially what I'm going to be doing is presenting you with kind of what the original proposal was that raised that kind of that wherein council raised these concerns, and then I'm going to show you some alternatives that we have since developed to address these concerns.

And what we're looking for tonight is essentially your direction on how you would like us to proceed.

So you know, we can go back and tweak some things some more.

You know, you might be comfortable with the alternatives that we've developed.

You might want to go back and look at the original proposal again.

And so we're just really looking for your direction, which is why I'm going to try not to speak too much.

I really want to answer your questions, have you discuss things and give us that hopefully direction at the end of the evening.

I do have project team members here, Skylar Warren and Sean Farrelly, I believe, are probably in the audience.

They're available to answer questions.

They were part of the comprehensive plan amendment updates back in 2024.

And then also we have our principal transportation engineer available remotely, and that's Courtney Furman, as well as our principal uh transportation uh planner Tiffany, uh also of GERKI, also available remotely.

So a great team of people with a lot of experience really focusing in on the transportation network, specifically bikes in this area, land use with regard to zoning and those building heights that council had some concerns about.

So next slide, please.

So here are the alternatives and actually next slide, please.

So first, I'm just I'm showing what the original proposal was.

And when I say original proposal, this was the proposal that was created by the project team, including a team of consultants for the transportation network in downtown.

And the the alternatives, while they'll look graphically different, I tried to keep basically the orientation and the overall perspective what you're looking at roughly in the same place, so that even though they might they're gonna look different, um, that you can kind of see the difference between the two.

In this case, the existing transportation network is in a dark gray color, and the proposed transportation network is in a combination of green dashed lines and reddish pink dashed lines, and then on a lighter scale, there's some dashed lines there showing pedestrian bike connections, mostly from Fan Of Fano Creek Trail, which is on the kind of the lower left side of this of the screen through the the green area that there's some additional ped bike there were some additional ped bike paths connecting Fano Creek Trail up to some new streets and up to Burnham that were part of the original proposal.

So I say all that because the next slide, again, it'll be slightly different, but everything will be kind of in the same place, but the color scheme is gonna look a little bit different because this was originally the consultants' uh final um map that they had designed for us, and we don't have that consultant team on board anymore.

So why don't you go to the next slide please, and we'll talk about uh the refinements that we have made to this plan.

Um and I put it on an aerial photo to provide some context.

I hope that doesn't make it too busy for folks.

I hope you had a chance to look at this before the meeting.

So essentially now instead of the existing network, what you're seeing, instead of it being a dark gray color, it is black.

So that is the existing network.

So I just want you to really focus on the existing networks so you can kind of see the gaps.

Like we have some really big blocks in downtown, and of course uh we have downtown being bisected by uh the ray road tracks, which prevents um uh streets, um, you know, ped bike connections um across the ray road tracks.

Um so we have a very limited street network right now, and there's always been plans, always, I mean, relatively speaking, always been plans uh for um inserting more streets and ped bike connections in downtown, and this is basically um an updated version of what is currently in our transportation system plan.

It's it's certainly a refinement.

I think we took a really, really long hard look at what what do ped uh what do um pedestrians and cyclists like really need?

Um like where are the gaps and what is feasible, what what kind of gaps are feasible for us to overcome?

Um, and then what makes sense from a redevelopment perspective for adding additional streets to an already built up area, which is always challenging.

Um it's always challenging to do infill um development and redevelopment.

It's even more challenging when you're kind of missing streets to add those back into an existing network takes land, it takes a fair amount of land to put in new streets where they don't exist.

So we've actually trimmed back some of those streets, and we're really focusing here in this refined proposal to balance um basically the public need for the streets that provide mobility and connectivity and access as but then recognizing that if that um in order to eventually have these properties redevelop, we can't overburden the existing property owners with um like a large amount of right-of-way dedications.

So it's a real balancing act because we really want to promote redevelopment, and we don't want to overburden uh property owners or developers who um will hopefully in the future be redeveloping in downtown, but we really need a little bit more of the network in place as well to overcome some of the the disconnectivity that we have in downtown.

So the black is the existing network.

Hope you've zoomed in on that.

Um and then the kind of the pink color, those are proposed new streets, and some of them, as you might see, are one-way, and that was a way for us to provide connectivity, but limiting the impact of requiring additional right-of-way from property owners, um, but serving that very important purpose of allowing PES and cyclists to use those streets for two-way travel, but allowing cars just that one-way travel that limits the size of the street.

So the pink is like the new full streets that we are proposing, and then the gold yellow color, the solid color is our existing trail and path system.

We actually have like, I mean, we have Fan Oak Creek and we have all the connections uh that come off the Fan Oak Creek Trail.

We also have the heritage trail, like we have some pretty good bones for a really great um trail system that serves downtown, but we're missing some key connections, and so the kind of the parallel golden rod color lines are making those connections between our existing trail and pass system uh to the proposed and existing street system.

So I'm hoping that will help you see like the gaps that we're trying to fill.

And I'm just gonna pause there because I really want this to be a discussion.

Does anybody is anybody confused about what they're seeing?

I don't necessarily want to get into the merits of it yet, but I want to make sure that you understand what you're seeing before I open it up for like discussion at the end.

Any questions about what you're seeing?

Okay.

I'll keep it.

Okay.

Counselor Shaw has a question.

I do have one question.

Yes.

And thank you so much.

This is um helpful.

The proposed streets that are on the current slide, those are ones that you're suggesting that haven't been suggested previously.

Am I correct?

Um assumption.

Some of them have been suggested previously.

We're not starting with a completely like this is not a completely different proposal than what was seen.

Actually, you were you were um on council back in 2024.

Um and so you saw the original proposal.

So this is a refinement of that proposal, so it's not brand new.

Um so some of these streets have been proposed before, but not this exact specific configuration.

Great.

And so the ones that are new from 2024, is there background as to why they were proposed the new um if you're calling them segments or refined proposal?

And it doesn't have to be answered now, I'm just from the back from a background gap analysis.

So uh just so I understand you're wanting to understand, and um is it Robert who is uh staffing the PowerPoint.

Could you go back one slide?

So this was the proposal back in 2024.

So for example, um the area, just using this as an example, the area between Fano Creek and Burnham Street.

If you can kind of look where that is, you can see that a street um was like up the pink dashed line was kind of proposed through that area, and then um, and then different streets and trail segments um from Fano Creek Trail to Burnham were proposed.

So you can kind of see what was proposed um back in 2024, and actually it's not dissimilar from what is currently in the TSP.

Again, none of these are radically different.

It's really like the nitty-gritty looking at um like we looked at many different things, you know, um property ownership patterns, uh lot size, um, and looking at destinations for pedestrians and cyclists, um, looking at spacing standards.

I mean, we looked at many, many different factors.

And if you go to the next slide, again, focusing on kind of that burnham area, we're still proposing that one pink street uh that goes um out to Hall Boulevard.

Um we're still we think that is um a key street to break up the large lots and blocks that are in that area.

However, we've actually refined um the n like the location and number of streets and paths um more consistent with um where like an existing path is um and also like along property lines in such a way that it doesn't um also overburden uh the existing property owners were they to redevelop.

So we're in some ways what this refinement does is that it streamlines um like by removing actually certain proposed segments of streets and or um path pedestrian path connections, but it's but there's still a need there for um having some new streets um to break up these big lots.

So it's not radically different, um but this is really just the result of our our in-depth analysis.

Um does that answer your question.

Uh thank you.

It it partially does.

And I'd be interested in the in-depth analysis if that's just available.

That would be really helpful for me.

And I appreciate um you walking through both.

Uh I do recall those from 2024, but just interested in the in-depth analysis for the new.

Yeah.

Um so there was a lot of analysis.

I can share that with you.

It's a lot of hand drawings and calculations, um, you know, intersection spacing, distances, all that kind of stuff.

Um, but that in-depth analysis was also our project team getting together and um really debating the merits.

Um, because there's no like right or wrong answer here per se.

It really is about you know balancing connectivity and the need for more streets and uh pedestrian um cyclist connections and um not overburdening uh property owners when they do redevelop.

So I can't recreate that for you other than this is where all of our thinking analysis landed us, but I can give you some other, I mean we looked at block perimeters and property ownership um patterns and all sorts of other things that are concrete to inform how we came up with this refined proposal.

So I can get you whatever, and we can also meet separately, but I can I can I can provide you with all the stuff that we were able to write down in as part of our analysis of this.

And then the last thing I want to just oh go ahead, Sarah.

Very quickly, um yeah, I I do remember this conversation, and some council member had concern about, for example, bike sharing um with car on mainstream and Durham and a couple weeks ago I just saw a car honking at a bike in front of it, even though the street you know the speed limit is 20.

So how much faster does that car want to go?

I don't know.

So I will appreciate some I assume by adding this new row, the row the intent was to uh allow bicyclists to use the alternative route, but maybe that's not the intent.

But um, so yeah, so if you could share those kind of analysis of how those additional street might address this concern, that would be helpful.

But yeah, we we only have about 20 minutes left, so I don't want to go into much detail on that, but just to echo Councillor Shaw's um requests that more details will will be helpful.

So yes, thank you.

Well, um that's great that you asked that question because the last thing I wanted to put in out on this particular map is the the white dashed lines, one of which is on Ash Street.

So it's a white dashed line on a black line.

So Ash Street is an existing street between Fano Creek Trail and it crosses Burnham, and that it um dead ends into the TriMet park and ride uh at the Heritage Trail.

So there's a dashed line there, and then there's another dashed line that is along the pink street over on like kind of further up in the graphic.

So those are meant to indicate streets that are proposed with dedicated bike lanes.

And so um I want to point those out, and we've done another graphic to help you better see um the bike network relative to the street network.

And when I say bike network, it's like those places that are um either trails like Fano Creek Trail where there is no vehicular traffic, or those places as this is showing with the dashed lines, the white dashed lines, where we're proposing to actually bring in some key some streets, either modifying existing streets or when there's a proposed new street to add bike lanes so that people have that option.

Um because Main Street was recently completely redone.

That's not going to change.

We're not proposing to go back and add bike lanes to Main Street.

That would be a very, very expensive retrofit of a recently completed street.

Um, but we do recognize and thought it was a really great point that council made last time that for those people that are uncomfortable traveling um in the street, you know, in the vehicle travel lane, that they we want to provide them with alternatives.

So can you go to the next slide, please?

I uh maybe I I can just push back a little bit on that.

I mean, I understand it's not cost effective to redo Main Street anytime soon, but it doesn't mean we can plan that for the you know 20, 30 years from now.

So I mean, maybe maybe that's not the intent, but I'm I'm just saying, you know, we address concern about Main Street maybe not safe a bike.

And um I just want so but it is helpful to the to that you tell us that it's not on the table right now.

But but maybe it's not yeah, it's not what we're proposing, but again, this is where you get to provide direction to us.

And let me first share with you what we are proposing.

Okay, and then I'll probably also call on our transportation folks to um speak to it, you know, to have the discussion about this refined proposal for the bike network.

Um so this is basically the same map as the one on the previous slide, but it's just showing um basically where there are um where there are supposed to be bike lanes.

Um they're not all there, but they're supposed to be.

Um so Hall Boulevard, for example, and Hunziker and 99W and Greenberg are all supposed to have bike lanes.

And they do in most places.

It's not perfect, and that's you know, why we're we still have a CIP, obviously, many different CIP projects that are working to complete our street network.

Um so those streets that are in black should have uh like dedicated separate bike lanes.

And then the um the again the the goldenrod color that is um a solid line, that is our existing like trail and like head bike connection system.

So there's Fano Creek Trail, there's the Heritage Trail.

So those streets that are in black should have uh like dedicated separate bike lanes and then the um the again the the goldenrod color that is um a solid line that is our existing like trail and like head bike connection system so there's Fanow Creek Trail there's the Heritage Trail um and if you can kind of begin to see like where the railroad tracks kind of bisect downtown what we're trying to do here is provide um like a more comfortable bike space for those folks who want to bike but are they just not ever going to be comfortable riding in the middle of a vehicle travel lane even with very slow speeds and so this network is about filling the gaps with um a bike lane or kind of we could call it a trail but a trail connection from Fanno Creek Trail to Heritage to the Heritage Trail because bicyclists obviously can travel much further on a bike than like a pedestrian can travel on foot or they can travel more quickly and so we we don't need it to be as fine grained as the pedestrian system but this would uh like basically for someone traveling on the trail either to downtown or away from downtown or through downtown that if the heritage trail is where they want to connect to andor the transit center which is right off the heritage trail like this would allow them an opportunity to use either off street facilities like a trail as well as on street facilities like a bike lane to get to these key destinations.

So there's the one dedicated bike lane that we're proposing in this iteration as well as then with the new pink street on the other side of the railroad tracks to the north proposing um on street facilities for those streets again uh driving understanding that cyclists um they don't need as um as uh like um detailed of a that's not quite the right word but um like the the network density doesn't have to be as fine as with pedestrians because they they can travel much further more quickly um but it's getting them to those key destinations so getting them to and from downtown and then getting them to those key destinations whether it's to another trail or to the transit center and obviously like near Main Street if you know that's where they want to go.

So this is like the framework for what we're proposing that's it and this part is actually very different from what was originally proposed it it allows for those dedicated bike facilities.

So curious about your thoughts on that on both the refined network as well as the refined bike network sorry the refined street network and the refined bike network any thoughts further thoughts um well for me I just you know again just we request uh more analysis because um right now when I look at this path I mean there are still it's still easier for me to bike on Main Street right if I'm Fanal Quick Trail by Send Bar, if I don't go through the post office I'm not going to bike on any of the alternative new routes it's just not sure so it's just my initial stop but I understand Main Street's done so we're not going to touch it anytime soon so but again doesn't mean we can plan them for the future but that's just my only feedback counselor do we have any go ahead.

Yeah I appreciate the additional information thank you so much and um I know we have in Tiger whether it's sidewalks or even the bikes paths that there's um gaps and I appreciate we're trying to fill the gaps and I hope that this is getting us closer to that it's just when you look at the refined proposal it just doesn't show that maybe there's just it's not detailed enough but I just want to make sure we're not creating more gaps so a future council doesn't say well why didn't they just add that at the time which I know is instantaneous but um I just don't want to create more gaps than we currently have yeah well we're we're I don't think we are so it would be helpful to see if like if you if you feel like oh there's a gap here because we did take away some things and again trying to do that balancing act between redevelopment potential and opportunity and providing the um the streets and and um bike and ped facilities that we really feel like we need so would love to like get if like to have that direction about like because like for example we um took away um a connection that would kind of actually go through the post office site like up to Main Street because that block is not necessarily super large and um and there was easy ways around it so like if that's like if you perceive that as a gap and you want to bring that back like we would love that specific feedback like if from like from your perspective where you're seeing the gaps and would like um us to add things back.

Yeah I think we for future conversation.

And yeah so we have about 10 minutes left in your presentation so maybe we need to move a little faster.

Okay.

Okay so that's the transportation and bike network.

Can we go to the next slide please?

And then this was basically focusing in on that one street that we're proposing that has been proposed also in the original proposal and is currently in our TSP but with this proposal we're proposing that this particular street because of the concern that council raised last time for this to have bike lanes and so we're um looking at you know what would that look like because this is going through several lots and properties some like along the property line some straight through and so we need to be cognizant of how much right of way we would be asking a property owner to dedicate if they were to redevelop and but assuming that we we want some dedicated bike facilities for those folks that are less comfortable traveling you know with cars in a travel lane.

So Mayor Who I it's great that you are comfortable traveling like on Main Street in a vehicle travel lane what what we're what we thought we were addressing that we heard from council is that some people are not comfortable and so we're proposing that this is the street that makes sense to because of its direction to the transit center that this one has bike lanes.

And so we just wanted to let you know that like with that as a baseline assumption that next slide please that because we also know that parking on street parking is a concern in downtown this slide shows you like basically how much right of way width and the number of parking spaces like kind of shows you the property impacts of providing on street parking spaces of certain kinds of configurations whether it's parallel parking on one side or on two sides angled parking on one side or on two sides and the two that are highlighted in gray is what is our staff's recommendation and again we're looking for that balancing act between not having a super wide street that has everything but you know trying to allow for both the bike lanes as well as some parking without actually having a a hundred foot right of way that would be a big ask for developers and might actually preclude re preclude redevelopment from happening.

So just another aspect to think about when we think about adding bike lanes if bike lanes are even something that you think is important to add away from the last um the last time we were before council so you know again would love to hear from you on that maybe maybe you feel like parking is more important and bike lanes are less important.

Next slide please moving on to land use zoning this was the proposal back in 2024.

It is a very colorful map and it was just based on kind of not so much zones but just kind of almost concept areas in downtown currently downtown is pretty much all zoned mixed use central business district or M U C B D for short but with again the introduction or the adoption of the mixed use zones that happen with the Tigered Maid project you know there was the question about how we use those like how those zones carry over into downtown and so next slide please.

And so this is the refined proposal for how those zones carry over into downtown we actually think with the MAID project it helps us to kind of direct um redevelopment in such a way that really supports kind of the concepts that the original proposal were showing like a more residential area versus a more commercial area and granted these would all be mixed use zones as they as they currently are now but this would actually help to make it a lot clearer to property owners and redevelopers like exactly what we're going for.

And then we're also proposing that the mixed use employment which is the blue and I'm looking to the right side of this map that was actually rezoned with TigerMate and we're proposing that it actually stay mixed use employment.

And then there's some other like things around the edges that we're making proposals about I guess you know terms of like cleanup for what makes sense but small compared to um basically um what we're proposing with regard to you know basically taking that mixed use residential zone from the Tiger May project and applying it to downtown.

So instead of the brown that you see now which is the MUCBD zone we're proposing that downtown be a combination of the mixed use employment residential and commercial and then it'd be the planned district boundary which I know is difficult to sleep but it it's shown in black around the edges that that the plan district um boundary would be the one to have the unique standards um for these zones that we'd uh for how we want to see uh downtown redevelop and one of those um ways that we want to see downtown redevelop um or was raised by council last time is that um we uh there was a concern about the heights along Hall Boulevard being too tall and so we're now proposing in line kind of with the tiger triangle and the development we're seeing there that all of downtown would have a maximum height of six stories with allowances for to go a little bit higher there's already some required allowances um that we have to comply with under state law for housing um but generally speaking um that uh given the how the light rail project has stalled for lack of funding that we don't see the need anymore to have like 12 stories in that mixed use employment area where light rail is proposed uh or planned um that we're suggesting that everything be six stories and that that seems to be what the market is delivering um in tiger triangle so we're hoping that that um is in keeping or addresses the concern that council previously raised next slide please so next steps you know we definitely obviously want to hear from you about um sorry next slide um these three key things like the transportation network inclusive of the byte network does this make sense to you it sounds like maybe you'd like more information um and um and then the next one is like how we've applied the mixed use zones to downtown in the future for um a um a zoning change and lastly was that concern about the the height along Holla Boulevard being too tall and so we're proposing now um just to keep everything at six stories as the maximum height um but we definitely need that direction from you um before we kind of finalize kind of the transportation um framework and land use framework before we reach out to stakeholders um and so it it really we're we're wanting your feedback before we move on uh if you have answer re from answers or feedback direction for me tonight that would be great um haven't heard from all of you yet um so this would be the schedule if we were ready to go forward but if there's still concerns then obviously this schedule would change and that is it yeah thank you Susan and yeah just for the transportation I think we would like more information and I don't know uh Tiffany is is the transportation plan being presented to the Tiger Transportation Advisory Com Committee are they providing feedback on that as well.

They have not can you hear me?

Yes I can hear you.

Okay perfect.

This has not been at this phase this has not been presented to the um T Talk but um I can arrange that with Susan for our we have a meeting next even a meeting next Wednesday if you're willing to Susan or we can put you on for the um April meeting but um I know they'd be really um they'd be really grateful to be given the opportunity I and that's a great idea.

Nothing they had.

So yeah, that would definitely be helpful because a lot of them represent different um uh you know, like by they some of them represent bike and pedestrians, so it would be good to have their feedback as well.

Um I agree wholeheartedly.

Yeah, that for the rest it looks fine to me.

I mean, it's good to simplify the zoning and and address council's concern about the building being too high.

But um any other feedback uh counselor council president Wolf?

Uh no, and um Mayor who you uh commented on what I was gonna say, Susan, thank you.

And I remember having quite a conversation around building height and what have you, and that's been addressed.

So I don't have additional comments.

Thank you.

Counselor Anderson.

Yeah, I think the zoning map looks looks good, it makes sense.

Um there's just always the balance between cost of acquisition of the right-of-ways for bike lanes or roads or so we have to kind of nail that down first, I think, in a lot of circumstances.

But I think the plan looks fine.

Counselor Shaw.

Yeah, thank you.

And appreciated senior planner Shanks, all the information and uh question: who is considered stakeholders when you're doing the outreach march through April?

Because you've asked us to provide the feedback so you could present it to them.

Um and I appreciate um Council Anderson's point about the monetary acquisition costs, but who would that be?

So the stakeholders, um, this was listed in the uh the staff report that it would um the first phase really looked stakeholders was a very broad group, like like we got feedback from you know across the board, um, like really across the city.

Um, but for this phase where it's really narrowing, um, and we kind of so we we got kind of the feedback we needed, we're gonna continue to use that from broad city stakeholders, but now we're gonna be talking to like the Tiger Chamber of Commerce, Tiger Downtown Alliance, uh, the Town Center Advisory Committee or Commission, sorry, um, and we've already tentatively scheduled that for mid-March to have a conversation with them.

Uh T Tac as well, obviously.

Um, the Tiger Planning Commission, uh potential downtown developers, we we have a few, and then downtown businesses, of course.

So it it's reaching out to those folks that have a very direct um uh involvement and stake in downtown redevelopment.

Um and I I guess based on and and I wasn't present at at the last time council heard this, but I did go back and listen to that meeting and um uh myself as well as other staff got the impression that like council at that time, although I I know it's a different kind of makeup, um, wanted to be first to weigh in before we move forward.

So are you saying that you would prefer that we actually go to these other stakeholder groups, particularly ones with expertise like in transportation, um like the T Tac folks, um would like those folks to weigh in and we bring that feedback back to you all um versus uh you know getting uh you know kind of your buy-in now like just you know we wanna be um we want to understand like what decisions you want to make versus relying on other specific stakeholders with different kinds of expertise.

Um so if you could have any thoughts about that.

I think we've provided some thoughts on the new proposal tonight, but I would be interested in what that stakeholder outreach is um because you know we're also embarking on economic development and a lot of those stakeholders have uh a voice in that as well.

So I would propose perhaps mayor and staff, if we after the stakeholder outreach, that we can hear what TTAC had to say, what the stakeholders had to say.

So I'm not sure if there's enough bandwidth in that schedule to maybe have a workshop or even maybe have a longer discussion because I know we're bound time-wise tonight, um, just so we can get that feedback, hear what they've had to say, because again, I think we want to do this right because of some of the acquisition costs.

But that would be my thoughts about look to the mayor and council president wolf for yours.

I I agree.

It's uh we uh we we're we council members are now not always experts in all those different areas, right?

So we would like to hear feedback.

What what do you think?

Is that okay?

Yeah, okay.

So yeah, everybody nods ahead.

So yeah, we would like to uh I we would like to have uh maybe another workshop after the stakeholder outreach just to hear what those community member experts have to say about the the plan.

yourself i i agree it's uh we uh we we're we council members are now not always experts in all those different areas right so we would like to hear feedback what what do you think is that yeah okay yeah okay so yeah everybody nods their head so yeah we would like to uh we would like to have uh maybe another workshop after the stakeholder outreach just to hear what those community member experts have to say about the the plan does that absolutely yeah no actually and that was built into the schedule I mean this is such a high level thing it didn't list um because in a previous part of the report talked about um coming back um yeah like basically after the stakeholder outreach to share that with you all so no that that makes perfect sense to me good evening mayor who counselors Scalar Warren Assistant Director of Community Development I just want to chime in a little bit on the project schedule here um you know this is a proposed schedule this project unlike some of our other long range projects is not on a specific timetable where we have to meet a statutory deadline or a grant deadline so we can flex this to accommodate the you know the uh schedule and the feedback that council uh feels is necessary to get this right we want to get it right we want to take the time to do it so we can adjust this and we can certainly accommodate uh the stakeholder engagement that you're asking for tonight as well as you know if we come back uh again and you feel like there is more engagement needed we can do that as well and and I would just ask that you know you recognize that it will push the project back but it sounds like um you know everyone involved here wants to make sure that we uh accommodate everyone's feedback on this and and yeah get it right for the future downtown yes and we appreciate that as as as uh as Susan say we want to do this right right so yeah so we appreciate more more uh feedback on that so please do so thank you all right any other comments or questions from council member if none thank you thank you susan for your presentation we look forward to hearing more from you thank you very much have a great evening you too and uh there being no uh additional item this meeting is adjourned good night tiger good night