Any time.

Welcome to this October 17th, 20.

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

September 3rd, 2025.

Desire to be commission meeting.

Um, Mr.

Secretary, can we do a roll call, please?

Thank you, Chair.

Commissioner Case.

Here.

Commissioner Riley.

Here.

Vice Chair Basting.

Here.

Chair Newsom.

I'm here.

We have quorum.

Okay, so consent calendar.

Is there anything on the consent calendar?

Do we propose to move anything to the consent calendar?

Staff has no recommendations.

Alright, let's move on.

Now we're going to move on to public communications.

Okay.

This is for items which are not on the agenda under the Brown Act.

The commission cannot act on items raised during public communications, but may respond briefly to statements made or questions posed, request clarifications, or to step to refer an item to staff.

So nobody's here to talk about anything beyond items on the agenda, I assume.

Excellent.

And we'll move on.

So we're getting ready to start the public hearing.

So has anybody had any export communications?

No.

On either of the items.

Excellent.

We'll move on.

So now we're going to open the public hearing.

And the first item on the public hearing is the Olympia Place Master Sign Program Amendment.

Does staff have a presentation?

Looks like you do.

Yes.

Good evening, Commissioners.

Simmer Gill, senior planner with the city.

We are here tonight to consider the master sign program amendment for the Olympia Place shopping center.

The applicant representing this project, Michael Piazzola, is here tonight, as am I, to answer any questions that you may have after the presentation.

And just to quickly orient you with the site, the Olympia Play Shopping Center is located along multiple frontages.

The site is zoned plan development with a general plan designation of pedestrian retail.

The existing master sign program that was established does have different sign criteria tailored for each uh building frontage and tenant location within the shopping center.

The request tonight is to amend the master sign program for signage along Mount Diablo Boulevard.

So uh tonight the applicant is requesting to update the sign criteria for uh six specific tenant spaces that are listed on this slide, and these are all along Mount Diablo uh Boulevard Boulevard.

Uh the applicant is requesting to replace the existing wall-mounted business identification sign with a new canopy mounted illuminated uh channel letter signage and also replace the existing uh fabric blade signs with new non-illuminated metal blade signs.

The amendment uh before you tonight does apply only to these designated spaces, and all of the other tenant spaces within the shopping center will continue to follow the uh criteria in the existing sign program.

And uh the applicant did mention that the uh amendment is intended basically to modernize the property signage uh providing more contemporary and integrated design with some of the um recent uh changes to the shop uh shopping center fronting uh Mount Diablo Boulevard, which was a new paint scheme, and also to replace the fabric um awnings with uh metal canopies.

And here is what the existing wall sign location along Mount Diablo looks like currently.

It's um signage is allowed on the upper portion of the facade, and it it is for these specific locations is identified as sign type B.

So the applicant um is asking to uh remove the upper portion location as you can see that sign or logo that's installed on the existing storefront.

Uh it's uh very high, so they want something that's more eye-level and want it installed on the um new metal canopy that will replace the fabric um awnings.

And uh each sign does measure two feet three inches in height with a sign area of approximately twenty one square feet, uh graphics um limited to tenant names and logos uh will be allowed on these um sign bases, and here is the existing existing fabric uh blade signs that you see currently within that shopping center, and there's a photo of an actual one that's there now.

Um the applicant is proposing to update those again because they're the existing ones are worn out and outdated.

Uh so the new um metal metal that will be um painted satin black, uh we'll have vinyl uh graphics, white vinyl graphics and letterings, and they will be non-illuminated and meet the uh sign limitations, which is four and a half square feet is typically allowed for blade signs, so they'll stay within that parameter.

And this project is exempt from uh CEQA or environmental review as it's only a change in signage criteria to an existing um commercial shopping center.

There's no expansion of the footprint or any exterior changes that would um require any need of environmental review, and with that uh staff does recommend that the design review commission approve the master sign program amendment for Olympia place, subject to the conditions of approval in uh attachment one, which is the draft resolution for this project, and I'm happy to answer any questions, as is the applicant.

Um the applicant does not have a formal presentation, but happy to answer any questions, thank you.

Uh does anybody have any questions?

One, just it's just a cure out of curiosity.

Um so it's only the signs along Mount Diablo that are changing.

Why is it only those signs?

Um that's a really good question.

I would probably defer that to the applicant, but I believe because of the existing outdated fabric um awnings that's more on this end on the Mount Diablo frontage.

Okay.

If you look on locust, I've most of those are already metal canopies.

Okay, and so um is the intent to since the signs that aren't be aren't part of this, are by the old other standards, the existing standards.

There's gonna be visual cohesion between the new signs and the old signs.

Because it seems like the old signs are under different standards, or am I misunderstanding that?

As I I believe I presented that on the slide, and it's also part of your packet, but the sign the shopping center is differentiated between like each frontage has different type of sign types.

Like the sign type B only applies to the um tenant spaces on the Mount Diablo frontage.

Okay, replacing the sign type B with B1, which is now the metal canopy signage.

Okay, and the other the other frontages all have specific criteria, which is I don't have it in front of me, but I believe it's like sign type C, sign type A, so it's different.

So it so that would not be affected because of this change.

Okay, yeah.

Thank you.

Anything else?

No more questions.

Um public comment.

Do we have any public comment on this?

None noted, so do we have any commissioner comments?

Well, I'll just say I drive down the street all the time.

I think this is this is gonna be a positive thing.

I think um the I know there's a lot of struggles with those businesses staying open.

Um, I think it'll be a good project.

So that's my comment.

Do we do we take a vote then?

Let's let's do a vote.

Or can I have a move movement here?

I can have a motion, please to vote.

Um I'll move to adopt the resolution approving the master sign program amendment for Olympia Place subject to the conditions of approval contained therein.

Can I have a second?

Can we have a roll call vote, please?

Commissioner Case?

Yes.

Commissioner Besting.

Yes.

Commissioner Riley.

Yes, Chair News.

Yes.

Motion carries, all right.

Very good.

So let's move on to the next item on the agenda, which is the Sierra Garden multifamily residential.

Affordable apartments.

Does staff have a presentation for that?

Yes.

Give me a moment.

Okay.

Take your time.

She's busy tonight.

Okay.

I'm back.

Simmer Gill, senior planner with the city, and we are here tonight to consider uh design review commission's input on the proposed uh design of the Sierra Garden multifamily development that will be located at 150 Sierra Drive.

The applicant Jonathan.

I hope they're here.

Jonathan Aspen is.

Sorry, I was looking for you.

Jonathan Astman is here tonight, as am I to answer any questions that you may have after this presentation.

And just to provide some site context, the site is zoned plan development with a general plan designation of multifamily very high density.

And this site is located within the city's housing inventory site table, which essentially means that the city envisions development or more housing on this parcel.

The site is 1.4 acres, and there are existing two one to two-story structures that consist of a 29 unit development.

And here are photos of the surrounding area as well as the project site.

Let's see, I wanted to highlight the both of the adjacent properties to the north and south are multifamily development.

They are, I believe, two stories, and the one directly across the way to the west is a three-story multifamily development.

And as you drive further down north, there are residential property single family homes.

So the request tonight is to demolish the existing 29 unit structures to construct the new six-story 87 unit affordable development.

The project does consist of a mix of one uh one, two, and three bedroom units.

New landscaping is proposed, and 58 new surface parking stalls are proposed.

There is a request for tree removals and a drip line encroachment permit.

This project is being processed under the state's housing accountability act, state density bonus uh law, which um the applicant is requesting for waivers and two concessions to the city's uh development standards, which I'll go into more in the next slide, or in the upcoming slides.

So I wanted to highlight that tonight design review commission's role is essentially to provide feedback, uh, that initial look of the project on the design of the new development, uh, the requested tree removals and drip line encroachment permits, as well as the requested uh waivers under state density bonus density bonus law.

Um however, the approving body or the body that will consider uh these uh entitlements or approval will be the planning commission.

Um as mentioned earlier, this project is being processed under the housing accountability act, also known as SB 330, which essentially limits the city's review if the project meets all of the applicable objective standards.

Uh the project does uh fall within that criteria, as is the residential project with multiple housing units, and uh the project is consistent with the city's objective standards as well as the city's design design standards.

And uh just to go over the um base density for this project, um, it is a 1.4 acre site.

Um again, the multifamily very high density range is 42 to 70 dwelling units per acre, which essentially equals to 99 um units as the base density for this project.

It is a hundred percent affordable project.

The applicant is entitled to an 80% increase in density, which would then give them 79 additional bonus units.

And if they were to build under with the 79 bonus units, they could have essentially 178 units that are allowed for the site.

The applicant is building 87 units, and that does comply with the zoning and the base density of the general plan.

Four waivers are requested from the city's development standards that would physically preclude feasibility of the housing development or result in a loss of units.

And here is a list of the development standards and what the city's requirements are, as well as what is being proposed tonight.

I think this is all explained in the staff report, but I'm happy to answer any questions after the presentation if we need to go over any of these.

As you can see, there's multiple structures on site, and the access off of Sierra Drive.

The access essentially remains the same.

There are no frontage improvements or changes to the existing sidewalk.

On here, you can see the red is the turnaround for fire access as well as the parking stalls and towards the back of the site.

And here is the proposed ground floor, which is essentially the first floor.

Again, this shows as you enter from the middle of the site into the lobby.

Offices as well as utility and laundry room, as well as a community, a community room that will be for the residents, and it opens up to the garden area, the proposed garden area and existing pool towards the back of the site.

And here is the material palette, which does include fiber cement plank siding, vertical battened panels, metal screens, and storefront glazing.

That's adding texture and color to this to the building.

The architectural vision for the Sierra Garden apartment uses natural inspiration, and the building, the building's massing as shown here is resembling rolling hills and the tower elements.

The intent behind that is to have at the key corners to design to look like a cluster of trees.

And here is the south elevation.

This is essentially the primary entrance is located on this elevation, but it is facing the side, so it's not facing the street.

However, the entry door is visible, the main entrance is visible from the street.

And here is a north elevation.

So for the purposes of setbacks, that's the side elevation.

Or for if you look at the building, this is the rear of the site.

And here is the west elevation.

This is a street facing, and this is what I mentioned earlier.

It face features that rounded corner element tower and the same similar design elements at the other elevations, it's applying the same elements.

And there is a landscape setback.

15 feet is required from the front property from the front property line to where the building should be located.

I believe the project is providing 30 to 40 feet, and it's to create this landscape setback, really providing a transition between the sidewalk and the new building.

And here is the east elevation.

This acts as, and this is looking to the back of the site, so which is the rear of the site.

The ground floor storefront system, it connects the community center that opens up and connects to the outdoor garden pool and the amenities that are located to the back of the site.

And here's just a closer look at the view of the entrance from Sierra Drive.

And as part of this project, the applicant is requesting tree removals.

So all of the 17 trees on site will be removed for the proposed construction.

Many of these trees are undersized, meaning in the city's tree preservation ordinance.

A tree that's nine inches or greater is considered a tree and requires a tree removal permit.

So some of these trees were in poor health.

So the city arborist was able to approve the removal, and all of the undersized trees are allowed to be removed without a permit.

So then the remaining four trees that are circled here in red.

They are the species is Siberian elm, plum and palm, and the privet tree.

They do require planning commission or the highest approving body approval to consider the removal of these trees.

All of these trees will be protected in place during construction.

And the tree that's tree number 393 that is on the neighbor's property to the south property line, and that does require the authorization from the adjacent neighbor in order to remove the tree.

However, the city arbors does support the removal given that it's located near the emergency vehicle access, and because it's required that area is required for emergency vehicle access, the city arbors can support the removal of that.

And here is the proposed landscaping.

Five gallon shrubs, grasses, stormwater plantings are proposed, as well as 42 new trees, which are listed on this slide.

There's a number of trees and different types of species ranging in size from 24 inch box to 36-inch box trees, as well as three street trees.

And here's a closer look at the landscaping plan.

The design does retain the existing pool in the rear, and the key site improvements include permeable paving in the parking areas, a new pool deck, a resident garden planters, play areas, and seating benches, and landscaped open spaces are connecting with the garden, the pool, and are enclosed by the proposed permit proposed perimeter wood fencing that will be along the side and rears of the property.

And here's just a look at the proposed site lighting as required in the city's design standards and guidelines.

All light fixtures shall be directed downwards or shielded so the light doesn't trespass onto adjacent properties.

This image shows all of the proposed lighting, and there are several light poles that are proposed as well.

With that, I do conclude my presentation, but I wanted to state for the record uh staff did receive uh I believe five uh letters uh from neighboring properties, mostly in um opposition of the project, citing uh density like a dense project, some traffic impacts, and other similar type of comments.

Um a copy of all of those uh letters have been provided to all of you tonight.

Um I wasn't able to address each letter line by line, but that is the purpose of our uh planning commission staff report when the um approving body or the body that would consider the project would want an analysis on each um each piece that's been um raised by either the design review commission or the public.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Um any questions, folks?

I guess we have a presentation.

The appearance okay go ahead with that.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I just advanced.

Okay.

Hi, I'm Jonathan Astman, Director of Development at Satellite Affordable Housing Associates.

Um, I'll take a couple minutes, two and a half minutes, uh, to describe Saha and the building program, and then hand it over to Padram to dive into the design.

Satellite Affordable Housing Associates, or SAHA is a nonprofit um developer, owner and manager of affordable housing.

Uh we're based in Berkeley and operate mostly in the East Bay.

We have a long presence in Walnut Creek with Casa Montigo and Montigo Place on La Casa Villa across from John Muir Medical.

Um a smaller development, um, Akawanis Court, just west of downtown on Trinity Ave.

And our most recent development is Arboleda on Third Avenue.

It's about a block west of North Maine.

Um completed in 2015.

This is what it looks like.

Arboleda serves families and a few different special needs populations.

I didn't squeeze it on the slide, but there's it includes a couple units for people living with HIV AIDS.

Why is this project needed?

Two main reasons.

The first main reason, the first reason is the existing apartments are functionally obsolete.

The 29, mostly smaller units at Sierra Garden were built in phases beginning in 1948.

We acquired the property and completed a moderate rehab in 95, 30 years ago.

And the second reason is the acute need for affordable housing in affluent areas of coastal California.

As we all know, this is a large site, 1.4 acres, an underutilized site and a very desirable city, just east of the downtown with all its amenities.

This site is a screamer.

You can't buy sites like this one.

Um so we propose um a simmer mention to exactly triple the amount of housing on site from 29 homes to 87.

This chart just gives you a sense of who will live here.

So for example, uh income income-wise, so for example, a family of four would be earning 48,000 to 96,000.

And then this gives you a sense of rents.

The actual rents will be lower uh than these figures because an estimate of the monthly PGE bill, PGE electric bill for each home will be netted out from these gross numbers.

And I'll pass it to Pedram Farashbandi, principal with David Baker Architects.

Yes.

All right.

Thank you, Jonathan.

Hello, everybody.

Uh Padron Farrash Bandi, principal at David Baker Architects.

Uh we've done over 15,000 dwelling units, and uh we've never worked in Well, not Greek, so I thought I'd give you a little bit of a preview.

Um, out of all those units, uh, we always choose to show this photo.

Uh, because not only it shows two of our projects framing San Francisco City Hall, but what's really powerful about this image, it shows two of our projects.

One is a high-end condo, the other one is supportive housing, and a lot of people cannot tell which one is what.

And that's because we applied the same design lets and care to every project, regardless of the affordability level.

Um, these are our core design principle and philosophy.

It's essentially about uh designing around the human experience and how they connect to a place, and sustainability also is a big part of our practice and betting on the future, and especially with affordable housing to try to do more with less.

So Samir explained all this, so I'm just gonna skip these uh, these are the data of the project where it is.

It's it's basically right at the edge of the buffer and the the more residential part of the city.

Uh twin and nine homes in multiple buildings, uh a big parking basically, lot.

Um so what we did it's a very uh very difficult site because it's very narrow on the street frontage and opens up.

Uh we need to bring the fire truck access to the to the site, so that made it really challenging, but also it's an opportunity to have the largest gap possible between the more low rise end of the site to the street.

So we we have over 120 feet uh on one end and almost 300 feet on the other end uh distance between the building and the edge of the property.

Uh as Samir explained, you know, we're bookending the the whole massing with these uh organic forms, uh, and then define the entry with some screens and perfated metals, and then have a base background material that is durable, which is also essential for affordable housing projects.

Um the site is, you know, that a large portion of it is parking because we have surface parking, but we made sure these are uh permeable pavers, so it it really helps with the drainage and the the overall um site diagram.

Uh, I wanna point out to this open air entry that it's it's essentially what it is.

It's open air.

We have planting, breathing into the to the lobby.

Uh that also happens on the upper floors.

So you can see the the ground floor and then on the upper floors we also keep that openness so you come out of the elevator, so that helps you orient where you are in the project and also have access to light at every floor.

Uh the entry experience, you can see you always can see multiple materials when you look at the project, regardless of the angle.

Uh the bookend is you can see the organic form one end and then the background material.

Uh the windows facing south will have a perforated sunshade.

Uh and in terms of materials, I'm gonna explain some of these materials.

It's uh one thing I want to point out is this uh random baton siding that we pioneered in the office is essentially hardy panels with hardy trims nailed onto it that creates this uh exciting and textured uh material that is also affordable and durable.

So this is this is our uh bookend material.

Uh the entry is also marked with these perfated layered uh screen that also comes in front of the open stair that we had uh that also marks the entry.

Uh this is an example of a project we recently finished on the Colossium BART.

Uh as as you stand on the sidewalk, you can see the entry and the perforated mesh as you enter the site.

You can see the screen covering the the open air lobby on the upper floors and the ground floor and wraps on the bike room.

And also this through view into the lobby and and beyond.

And the back uh we're gonna restore the pool uh and have the the community room that opens to this beautiful garden that is uh nicely landscaped.

I I wanna uh finish with uh with the fire diagram because uh it's a very difficult site in order to bring the fire truck access all the way to the end, it's it's really limit and explain why we put the building where we put it.

Thank you.

Any questions?

Uh yeah, yes, I do have a question.

Um is the resident garden are those like rentable plots and the residents can you know apply to maintain one, or is there like a minimum level of care that will go into that?

Talk to me about that.

Yeah, it's usually something that we believe it creates community, it's something that the residents, you know, take it's usually there is a committee that any whoever is interested will be in charge of it, and it's something to bring the community together.

But yes, it's usually run by the residents and and the property management will have an oversight on it.

I'll let Jonathan to explain it a little bit more.

From what I've heard from our resident services team, there hasn't been a building where there's not enough space in a waiting list.

We you could give someone a little more or less space, but not everyone's interested, and usually there's enough space for everyone to get a plot to grow herbs or vegetables.

Okay.

And if you guys considered things like I don't know, outdoor gathering spaces that aren't just playgrounds in a pool, or is this really the primary programming you feel like people want in these environments?

We went through a number of conceptual designs.

Several of them had like almost no outdoor space.

And what we really like with the six-story version is we actually have like dirt, and if I don't know if we could zoom in, but they're actually maybe you could describe the there are yeah, you asked about like informal kind of hangout places.

There are areas there that ramp could point them out.

Including like shaded under the.

Yeah, so you know, we have the what is marked as community room that really opens to that uh covered but outdoor space.

Um so that's that's that flexible outdoor area that also you know it's buffered with the landscape, so that that's basically the area that is for outdoor.

Um, but we also wanted to uh have the the resident garden that is also very flexible.

So depending on how much interest you get, you you may add or deduct the the planting bet in that area.

Okay.

Uh those are my questions for the moment.

You guys have any questions?

Maybe let's just let's take a look at the elevations, if you can.

Um could you explain for me how you I mean, obviously great renderings that you or great photographs that you provided.

I mean, that kind of variegated siding, where where does that occur?

So what what you see as a darker material is that uh random batten siding.

So the bookends essentially where where you see it a lot, it has that premium material.

And then everything in white is basically just horizontal party plank.

Yes, right.

All maybe let's look at the side elevation a bit.

Uh similar.

I don't have the actual elevation.

That's alright.

But yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

So everything that's more or less in white is that's all horizontal.

That's right, white siding, right?

Yeah.

And then the gr the kind of gray in the middle is.

That's the screen.

That's the perf screen, and then you have the green block, which is I can't read that.

That's that's just it's also fiber cement panel.

Yeah, yeah.

And then going back to the site plan, I mean, let's just maybe just as a context, talk about what is around it.

Um, I just recall most of the most of what's around this.

Maybe there's one that was more of a Google view.

That's fine.

I mean, is what I'm looking at to the north of that block, is that that's apartments, right?

That's right.

And two stories.

Yeah.

And to the right, that's all single-story residential.

Right.

Okay.

And then what about on the bottom?

Those those are also apartments.

Those are all apartments and all more or less two, two and a half stories, right?

Yeah.

Okay.

Um, I believe they're talking their parking and two stories of apartment.

I'm sorry.

That's that's it for now.

And I mean, I think I mean there was one thing Summer said that I thought was interesting.

I mean, you did you guys did look at units as many as a hundred and seventy eight units on this side or more.

That's right.

So all what what is now landscape used to be buildings, and then it was essentially too big of a building.

So talking to Jonathan in terms of management and what's appropriate to this to the for this building, we made the building smaller.

Would you say that there's more landscaping and more open space now than there is currently?

More or less, or about the same thing?

If you don't count the parking and the driveway as open space, there's more usable open space.

And how about what what is the parking now on the site versus what is proposed?

And how many parking you have right now?

I don't recall offhand, I could follow up with that info in the morning.

Okay.

Um I think that's good for now.

Okay, thanks.

So I think we're gonna open it up to public comment now, right?

No no other comments.

Questions come?

Any more one more questions?

Comments are coming up.

Okay, so we're gonna open it up for public comment.

If you want to make a public comment, you have to put it to turn in a card as everybody does everybody have the cards, no?

You'll want to grab a card, put your name down on it.

Um then uh get in line.

I think we're you're gonna have how much time are we giving them?

Two minutes each to talk.

Okay.

I think you should have done it, but I think it's I mean while we're doing it.

Can we can we uh commissioner has a question of staff while that's going on?

Why don't you go ahead?

Um I had a question about the re the recommendation paragraph and the um the statement that that staff would recommend that we would find this project exempt from CEQA.

I'm wondering why when it has a lot of environmental issues and parking traffic, um, all of those the height, all of those things couldn't um could be an impact.

Yeah, so there are no environmental is issues, and this was evaluated by not only planning staff, the city engineer, the building official.

So we've looked at everything.

Um, and if I need to go down the infill sequo exemption essentially asks, is the project consistent with the zoning and general plan?

Yes, it is.

Um multi-family it's a multifamily development, and that's allowed in the zoning.

And is the parcel um less than five acres?

Because that would then qualify it for an exemption under infill development.

This is a I believe 1.4 acre parcel.

Um are there's existing utilities on site.

Um there is no habitat for um endangered species because there's existing development on site.

So these are all the criteria, and the um the one that you're probably most curious about is are there any significant effects to traffic, air uh quality or noise?

So that was evaluated, and again, this will be um presented in more depth depth in the planning commission staff report.

Um but just if you want to know just the significant traffic impacts.

I did um get some information from the uh traffic engineer and the exist there are existing uh the project has 11 trips.

Um the proposed would be 34, so that's a total of 23 new net net new trips in order for a project to be um considered like a substantial increase.

It would need at least a hundred and ten net new trips, which would then sorry, net, yeah, hundred and ten net, yeah, peak hours, correct.

Thank you for the clarification.

So is is that trips per hour?

Correct.

Peak hour.

Yeah, peak hours.

Yeah.

Okay.

The worst case scenario, like the busiest time.

I I should also say that what what would Sims representing there is a sequel exemption class 32 for an infill exemption.

And in the infill exemption specifically has those has those items in it.

There's a it's a there's five tests, and the ones that include impacts don't include all the impacts that are on the initial study list.

It only includes those five that she listed traffic noise, uh habitat yeah etc and we found uh F zero to meet that test and that's quantitative right it's not qualitative so like when you're talking about number of trips that's an actual set number of trips right it's codified more or less I mean it's at least there's standards for that in there is absolutely standards for that yeah okay I'm sorry the generation is low and not considered significant right and subject to further environmental okay I kind of talked over you anything else no okay so how about some public comments let's let's start coming up who will be first please please give your card to simmer good evening my name's uh Rob Rutan I've been a longtime resident of Walnut Creek about 33 years coached high school across at Las Lomas I go down Sierra every day um it's a great design I like what I saw I especially like the comparison from San Francisco my concerns my number one concern is parking but having seen the design and see the very narrow 1.4 acre spot it's going in I can only tell you that I'm glad you didn't put 178 units in there um but I'll tell you it it to me I'm looking at that image right there that that image is really not that accurate this is an incredibly narrow plot of land and you're putting a six story 87 unit that really does not match much of what else is going on there.

And that's a big concern of mine.

After 33 years in Walnut Creek I care about one thing the quality of life in this town I'm also very very much an advocate of affordable housing I think is fantastic and ignorant of all the different laws that have been passed to provide those opportunities for affordable development especially in Walnut Creek.

But I've got a huge problem with the narrowness and the size of this property for a six story building number one and number two I think we're on a slippery slope I've seen other developments go up that have parking 50% of what the units are going to be and I think that's your responsible and only is going to lead to future issues to build an 87 unit six story building with how many parking spots?

62 58 I think it's irresponsible that street is incredibly busy and it's congested already I traveled up and down every day.

There's people pulling out all the time it's only going to aggravate that whole situation.

So it's a great design it's it's I appreciate you guys doing this.

I just don't think it fits here on Sierra and hopefully you consider that seriously thank you.

Thank you.

Next up hi uh my name is Matt Dooling live on Bradley Avenue also neighbor of uh Rob's uh we moved here uh about 15 years ago from the city um and one of the reasons is to get away from high density um it's a great neighborhood but going back to him parking is huge I wal I drove down um walnut and if you can see this but this is at three o'clock today I mean not three o'clock five o'clock that's every day and that's actually nothing that doesn't happen it goes all the way to Sierra and all the way around as you all know it goes I mean every single day how much is this gonna add to that I mean walnut I can't even leave my house between three and five I can't make a ride on Ignacio.

I can't go straight.

So I have to go that way, right?

Um so parking and um like you said that I I do like the design.

I like the affordable housing, but just me uh driving here about a half hour ago, I went around downtown and there was probably I mean putter's putt putt that's been empty for how long?

Ten plus years.

I mean, there's 201 Civic, North Civic, there's so many different empty lots that are sitting around just for parking with an empty building in it.

I mean, these are all closer to downtown too, so I mean parking and traffic are gonna be crazy.

So I just I wanna I mean there's nothing you really can do about the height.

I don't know.

I I guess your hands might be tied, but parking and and uh in the traffic will be nuts.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Next.

Excuse me.

My name's Steve Lawler.

We own the property at 172 CR Drive, which is directly next door to the project they're proposing.

And I totally agree.

The project is beautiful, and the design is great.

The issues are obvious.

There's 29 units right now with 30 spaces.

There's going to be 89 units with 50 some odd, triple the people, triple the visitors, triple the traffic on a road that's impacted.

Took me 30 minutes this morning to drive from my property to Ignatia Valley Road.

That is five tenths of a mile.

It's getting to the point where I have trouble renting to people down there.

No parking, no access.

Can't get in and out.

I guess we've got to decide what we want the city to be.

I totally agree with affordable.

It's affordable now.

It's been section eight since we've owned the property.

And there's issues, but not major, and ones we've got to accept.

Living in Walnut Creek, we can't just be, you know, Walmart Creek.

We have to be good for the whole area.

But a triple in the population of one building, six stories towering over my property.

It already is has a seven foot elevation change.

Their property is seven feet higher than mine right now.

So it's going to make it's going to greatly affect the value of our property, and it's gonna greatly affect the quality of life of Walnut Creek.

And not just for the people that live on Sierra, for everybody that decides that's the way to go through town.

And we all know everybody does it.

You drive on the other side of Walnut and they've got the signs up, we'll give you a ticket if you drive through here, which we know is just no performative art, but that's how bad it is over there.

We're twice as bad.

It and we will be four times as bad.

We just built another property there.

How many units went in on Walnut?

Crammed it in a little court.

Used to be one house, now it's eight.

We can't keep doing this in that area.

Do it all over, but not just in one area.

Thank you for taking the time.

I appreciate it.

Thank you.

Who's next?

Hi, uh good evening.

My name is Richard Torres.

I I live at Sierra Garden Apartments, been there for 25 years, and um I feel it is an aging complex.

It does need to be rebuilt.

Um, because there's always something going wrong.

We need people coming by to fix it.

Not all the time.

Everyone's available to fix things.

And um I you know, looking at this, yeah, I think it's very nice, and I can see these other guys um concern about the parking and that and traffic, but you know, in the same token, we also need these kind of things for affordable because I I live on a fixed income, you know, and so we need this sort of thing, and I think this is great that Walnut Creek has this type of thing.

And my one my um my concerns is guest parking.

Um I don't know if this complex will have guest parking or not, but oh, it does because you know I've guests some they always have to park in the street and the street on Sierra Drive is very hard to find parking spaces because there's way too many red zones there.

So I'm hoping that this new building will have guest parking.

But overall, you know, like I say, coming from a resident that lives there, I think it's a great great location.

It's nice and quiet, it's sort of hidden behind there, and um I just want to say it's I think it's it's what it it's doing very well, and I can see these guys' idea too about parking and traffic, and that might be a concern, but overall I see really nothing wrong with having this place rebuilt because it does need it, because like I said, I've been there twenty five years and the place is gonna start falling apart because it needs to be redone and the plumbing and everything, and it's old.

I mean, I don't know when these places were built, but it's they're obviously antiques, so I just wanted to state the fact that I think this project will be a big boon to us uh affordable housing people.

Thank you.

Thanks.

Next Jan Hansen we're just such as Mill Court in Wallet Creek.

It's it's in the neighborhood we've been here for about 20 years.

I certainly appreciate the fact that it's very nicely outlined project.

The building is beautiful and I kind of agree with the previous speakers with their comments.

Our main concern is the height of the building to be honest because there's a lot of private homes around including ours this building is quite a bit higher than everything in the neighborhood.

The uh the condos across I believe are only three stores like three or four stories.

So um I I see the need for affordable housing of course and the fact that the buildings is very buildings that are there now are quite old I'm just afraid that such an old building will create certain degree of invasion of privacy for the uh neighboring homes because you know like pretty much all the backyards will be exposed you know uh that's my main concern but I the project otherwise looks nice and I they I think they did a great job so all right thank you.

Thank you next hi my name is Leo Bate I live across the street from uh the proposed uh development my concern is the same as everyone else with uh traffic and parking I also saw that traffic was backed up to Sierra today from WCI I went to WCI myself and Los Lomas uh the parking in that area is already impacted I live in that area when I give my guest parking my personal parking away to a guest I have to circle the block this takes me sometimes upwards of half an hour I'd also like to remind people that kids go into WCI kids go into Las Lomas they walk this I see it every single day so I think it's very irresponsible um to put that to put three times as many units and twice as the amount of parking when the parking is already messed up we love uh affordable housing we love to welcome new people to the town however this place it's it's already impacted the infrastructure can't take it already I think that the proposal would not work the concession that's being asked is not just of the city it's also from me in perpetuity that's it anybody else oh yes thank you hi my name is Lee um I live with my husband and our three kids uh nine seven and six uh at 70 McGuire drive and uh the complex building is in our backyard so we know our neighbors because they see our backyard and we get to say hello to them when we when we're outside um and when we're out in the pool and building this is a three story building and it's already shading the entire backyard um obviously whatever they said is is very important but I'm coming from a personal um we bought this house we invested a lot of money in remodeling this house um and if there is a six story um complex building outside our backyard um we will not get any sun.

It will literally shade the entire house.

Not only the fact that it's going to take what two years to build at least.

We will be living in a construction zone um dust and pollution and noise um so for us, it's it's a complete disaster.

We bought this house a year ago.

Uh two years ago, we moved a year ago after uh remodeling.

We built a pool three months ago.

Um we just finished the pool two weeks ago.

Um I just want to show you pictures just so you can understand how close this is.

This is from our backyard.

I don't know if you can see when I come closer, but this is the complex building right now.

So this is my backyard, and this is the building.

This is how close.

This is my pool.

This is the complex building.

So I am the most affected from this building.

And I'm just thinking, we just bought the house.

If who's gonna want to rent it from us if we decide not to live there because of the construction?

Um who's gonna want to buy this house from us if we decide to sell it one day?

So I'm hoping this is something you will take under consideration because it's devastating to us.

Thank you.

Thank you.

anybody else?

No more comments.

Okay.

So let's go on to commissioner comments.

Um response.

Oh, wait.

Hang on.

I think it's a good question.

Okay.

You g uh sorry.

You guys want to go ahead and respond?

Does any does the applicant wish to respond?

I was just gonna respond to you when you ask about CEQA.

Uh there's also a new law, AB 130 that recently passed that exempt any housing project that is less than 20 acre from any Sequo review.

So that was that was passed after the application went in.

Thanks.

I have a slide about parking in the end.

Thank you.

I think it's like the very last one.

Um, oh okay.

Oh, I hate when people read from slides, but essentially there's several studies that show that the biggest determinant of how many cars you own is a mix of income and how many how much space you have to store the cars.

Um, and then the neighborhood has a safe has amenities right there if there's like a safe way right there.

Not that that means you don't need to own a car, but I think there's an apartment currently, what we can have them.

Um, we'll do a no back and forth.

Can't can't make comments.

All of it.

Yeah, that's it.

Thank you.

That's it.

No other response from you guys.

Okay.

So let's open it up for commissioner comments then.

Go ahead.

You guys always make me start.

Okay.

Um, so I want to talk a little bit about the landscape plans.

Maybe if we can pull that up, that would be helpful.

Um, so I appreciate that there's a lot of landscape areas.

I think that's nice.

Um, what goes through my mind with these kind of projects is that it's almost the responsibility of the site to replace the ten the resident's backyard, right?

So that's why I asked about if there's barbecue features and stuff.

I do like that there is a garden.

Um, I'm gonna get nitpicky for a minute.

I think the circulation around the site is a little bit circuitous, and so that has me kind of like, all right.

So you want to go to your garden?

Is there gonna be an easy way to get to it and get your vegetables?

It looks like you kind of have to go through the community area, and it's like implied that that's fenced in this graphic, but I'm not really sure yet.

The white sidewalk that's like the perimeter pathway kind of goes into that central area.

Anyway, I'm sure there's a plan, and these things are just early days, but I want it to be a little more obvious how you move through the space and and get from one end to another.

I also had a similar reaction on the Sierra Drive frontage, that pathway is also kind of circuitous.

Like if you just want to get to the street because fewer people in this development are gonna have cars, right?

I think that's our goal.

So maybe they're walking to Safeway or WCI or whatever's nearby.

I think they might want to just get to the sidewalk.

So I would also love it if there was like something other than stormwater at that front area.

Um I'm not sure what.

Maybe it like just feels a little bit more like an amenity because that tends to look a little ratty and gnarly over time.

Um I was impressed that it's all impervious or pervious parking and paving.

That's that's kind of cool.

Um, I did appreciate the fire diagram that helped me understand the layout a little bit better.

I don't know if the pool in the back corner makes a ton of sense.

Maybe it wants to be closer to the building.

I don't know.

I clearly just have some thoughts about like the arrangement and programming of the landscape that I think could use a little more refinement.

Um where else are my notes?

The height of the building, like when I opened the plans was like really surprising.

So I understand the density.

For me, it actually feels like I'm glad people like it visually.

It feels a little urban for me.

Like it, I I like the the diagram of the organicness, but I didn't I didn't see that totally translate to the building.

So I think the building in and of itself is nice, but I'm not sure that it really goes with the area.

So we're we've kind of got the height working against us, and then the style also feels a little bit differentiated from anything else I've seen around.

I'm okay with architecture changing and evolving, so I don't want it to be the same boxes that you see everywhere.

So I appreciate that it was different, but I'm not sure if it's feeling like soft enough or intimate enough.

I don't know the right words.

Maybe Phil can help me, but there's something like I just had a reaction when I saw it, so I figured I would say it out loud.

Um I wonder if I just have to pontificate about parking a little bit because I always talk about having fewer parking spots, and I think maybe encouraging people to be less dependent on cars is a good thing.

So I'm just gonna say out loud, maybe you are um advertising and like honest, like, hey, you know, because we're so close to downtown, we want to let you guys know that we have minimal parking and that is how we keep your rates low or whatever it may be, so that people when they move into this property kind of understand that that's part of the commitment.

It was just an idea because I actually live really nearby and I walk everywhere.

It's great.

Uh that doesn't mean I don't have a car and I don't park into my driveway, so I recognize that barrier, but I think maybe encouraging it to be walkable and bikeable and less car dependent is a really good move, and I like that.

Um I do feel conflicted about the height impacting and shading the neighbors.

That's hard.

Um I'm not sure of the solution, and um I think that's it.

Thanks.

So I too like the sort of the concept that drove the design of the building and really appreciate that in the reference to the beauty that is walnut creek.

I also felt like it really um stood out in this space.

So while in and of itself, it's an interesting building and it's aesthetically nice, um, the amount of white seems to be pretty glaring when looking at sort of the the color scheme of the rest of the neighborhood.

So um, like Commissioner Case said, it's trying to figure out how to be progressive, but also maybe reflect a little bit of the neighborhood that this building is existing in.

Um for me as well, there with going to the landscaping, um, it would be so like in the front and just looking at this diagram or looking at the renders.

I think that if the denser the landscape can be, the higher the trees can be.

Plants are as we know, like a really good way of softening things, um, especially when something is new to an environment.

So I would really recommend that really going into that trees.

I think even in the landscape plan there it says play area amongst trees as part of the conceptual landscape imagery.

Um Walnut Creek's really hot.

So the more trees there are the denser those trees are planted, the more that the children will it can actually be that place for play, and that so I would really recommend kind of pushing on that side, and as much as possible, choosing those trees on the plant list that will get to the highest heights, and putting in those specimens, you know, the larger specimens.

I think here we're talking 36 inch boxes, 24-inch boxes, 15 gallons, maybe going up from that as far as tree size goes for those initial plantings.

I'm done.

Thank you.

So next.

And um, because you have different setbacks now, because the the buildings that are existing are in different places than this one will be.

Um it might be a bigger and it might be a smaller impact on your your direct neighbors.

So I don't know if you've done that yet, but I would consider it before you go to planning commission.

That's it, I think I think I agree with that comment a lot.

I think that uh I think it's clear the neighbors in some ways understanding the design a bit might might help alleviate some of those concerns.

Um I think I'm the sole architect here.

I I'll tell you that I'm a big for fan of affordable housing.

I think that uh I'm also a big fan of David Baker.

I went to Berkeley, know the work, um and I appreciate your being here and I appreciate the application.

Um I appreciate the fact that you could have had 178 units and you you're you're restrained in that way.

I'm gonna say that this application is very different than the other ones we've seen since since the state mandates came into effect.

It it this is very different.

And I'd say I'd say the real positive of this design is the amount of open space that you provided.

Um as opposed to, but as you can see, and we should all pay attention to this, this comes at a price, right?

So when when you want this density, the density could be higher.

They they they were restrained.

Um but it comes to the cost.

You have to have six stories to get to to have the economics work, I suppose.

Um I see play areas and stuff that we just haven't seen in in the other applications like this.

So I I basically applaud you guys for doing that.

I'd say nonetheless, I'd say starting from the outside, um.

There they're you may check the boxes in terms of environmental review, but there are very serious environmental issues with this with the site.

Um Mr.

Ratan.

Who lives across the street?

He's not just a lacrosse coach, he was my son's lacrosse coach.

So it these are people that I that you know, you you guys are all our neighbors, and we're we're concerned about it, and we and we have walked down the street, see or Sierra Drive.

I I've done it myself.

I've dropped my kids off at WCI.

I've I've turned that corner of Sierra to try to pick up a couple of minutes going to work.

These are very serious things that you have to think about, and you know, since I by the way, folks, we are not voting on this tonight.

We have had our authority to vote on these projects taken away because this is state mandate.

So there's nothing that we can do to stop the project.

All we can do is encourage the planning commission to look and do do what they have to do.

So the number one thing is parking and traffic.

We need to be sure that it is exempt.

I don't know what what that means.

I think it means more work for the for staff, and I'm you know, sorry about that, but this this will have a profound impact on parking in this neighborhood.

There already is not enough parking.

I've circled myself going around in this area.

I ride my bike down the street, every parking spot is taken, and and where it can where these people are gonna park, I don't know.

I I do think or over time people will have less cars.

Um I'd say, you know, it is it is a little bit taking a little bit of a Berkeley or San Francisco out of some of the great projects that have been done there and trying to drop it here.

Well, unlike a place like Berkeley where there has never been parking, parking kind of works here.

So you kind of have to bring people along.

So I just encourage some more thought work around that to the extent that it can be done.

I'd say that you know, building when you think about this, you're you take in a community where they're used to parking cars, and you're trying.

I I know there'll be new people coming out outside of the community.

That's what we hope, right?

Is we can have people who can work in our businesses and afford to live here.

Um, but still, people need to be trained and brought along to have less parking.

So another question is, is there gonna be enough bike parking if if if people are not gonna have cars?

This is not downtown Berkeley where you can walk two blocks to the BART station.

I have walked, my office is a mile away from here.

I've walked from my house.

I know it's a full mile to BART from here, so there has to be enough bike parking.

There absolutely should be some accommodation for loading for people to drop off because they're not gonna walk to BART, they're gonna take Ubers and other things.

So that needs to be thought about.

Um hopefully people are gonna work downtown, but we know most people who live in Walnut Creek don't work there.

Um, and we're not building high-rise office buildings anytime soon.

So I encourage you to look at loading.

I encourage you to look at any other kind of traffic impacts that you can.

I do think I appreciate that many of you said the building was beautiful.

I think it's it's very different than what we have here in Walnut Creek.

Um, but this kind of density calls for that.

I'd say nonetheless, because it's my job to comment on design, I'd say, you know, I like the I like the variegated side and I've seen it used on other buildings.

I think that's nice.

I think I think there's too much white.

Um I think it could be broken down a little further, like some of the other examples that you'd shown out of Dave David Baker's office.

I think you could break it down a little bit further.

Um, and I think when you guys do go to the planning commission, because you're going there, make sure maybe have sight sections, shade studies, and so forth that can maybe mitigate some of the community's concerns because I think the design answers some of those questions.

Um it, I mean, I think you could have had much tighter setbacks than you had for sure.

I mean, if you were at 178 units, which you could have been, you would have had this density all the way up to the property lines and less parking, which all of which you could have done.

So I appreciate that.

I think it's what I have.

Anything else?

Um, go ahead.

I've got a few, I've got a few.

Uh, I have a list.

Um, if we can run down these, I think I know how this is gonna end, but um we'll just go through and see if we can bring reach consensus on some of these items.

Um, for Commissioner Case, there was circuitous pathways take address address those both in the front and the rear, right?

Yes.

Um and and while you're out at the front, take a look at that C3 and uh it was it a was the issue that it was the there was all the C3 in the front, or was it just or just the front was all C3?

Both both, both okay, address that.

Um there the the pool is already there.

Ah.

Yeah, yeah.

I had the same comment.

Great.

Um address the building to be more organic or to more reflect the vision.

I heard that from a couple commissioners.

Um uh address that.

Maybe look at the white.

Okay.

Maybe the uh uh tone down the color palette a little bit in that in that section.

Yeah, find what you mean by organic.

Um try to make it actionable.

It's um, it's it's sharp, like except for the rounded tree tree trunk silo elements, everything is very sharp.

Um could we go to the slide where it shows the full um?

There we go.

Yeah, that's good.

I believe Commissioner Case used the word um urban.

Yeah, so I think that in blending with the trees and blending with the hills and blending with it, it's you know, the brown tones are really nice.

The green tone is nice, and maybe incorporating more within that range, so more of the green tones, different shades of the brown tones.

I like that it's not this like what we've seen a lot of where it's these funny boxes and they're in these yellows and oranges, and it's nice that it's in those natural tones, but bringing down the white and incorporating more of the greens and browns and maybe even some organic grays.

I think the um there's a slide and uh a page in the presentation that shows the inspiration for that organic and and thank you here.

So I echo both all of their comments, that's why I didn't make them again.

But um where you see like the fiber of cement that almost looks wood or something like that that could as they said be more organic would be helpful.

And I look at this and like the canopy leaves, there's more like perforation at the base, which I know happens in that central area, but that's actually like recessed, you know.

It feels like the the jewel of it is is kind of that netted central piece, but it's tucked in.

Yeah, yeah.

I think the balance, I think that's a good point.

I think the balance of uh you know, I think the detailed materials that they're showing are great.

I think they should turn up the volume a little bit on those things.

I don't like the white, I I like white buildings, but I think here Walnut Creek, it's beyond just the fact that it doesn't fit.

I mean, we have a lot of bugs and spider webs and stuff.

It shows a lot of the white.

That's why I have a white house, my wife wanted to paint white.

We're constantly out there with a broom wiping everything down.

You're not gonna wipe down six stories.

Next.

Okay.

Uh so I think we've I think we've we've settled that.

Um also uh shade study.

Yeah, yeah.

Maybe maybe on on that corollary show show the show at the planning commission, show the like sectionally how far away it is from various property lines.

Okay.

Can we back up for one sec?

Yep.

Go go to those elevations one more time.

Go to go to the other elevation, the opposite elevation.

That one I think needs more work.

Then the more exposed one.

That's gonna be right up against the other property lines.

So all elevations the two long elevations front and back I think are fine.

Got it.

Keep rolling then okay and then there is also um discussion of bike parking and loading zone which is really a which is site improvements.

They're required for to have bike parking and it's it's pretty big number it's probably inside but there might be some outside barking for visitor parking as well.

I'm surprised there's not on your but I would bet that there's that it's programmed correct yeah yeah 60.

Okay and it is and then we can we can take a look at the loading issue.

I think you gotta make when you print center planning you're gonna need to make a better case of how the all this can work you know.

I worry though like loading I don't know I feel like it's hard for us to say we need loading but also say we don't have enough parking you know it's like we're gonna so we'll have to give up a parking spot for loading for the Uber and Amazon or do we just like you know they block it for a few minutes and then they go I don't know the loading didn't bother me.

It was just the one thing I was like okay but what about when people are moving in and out?

Don't they need the loading then but doesn't that seem like maybe two days out of 365 you know what I mean like if we're that hard pressed for parking it seems like loading is one of the first things I would vote to I don't think one part I mean when I get it I get it on the one or two parking spaces I think really just consider the the actual alternatives people are going to have to use as opposed to driving right so like if it's not a loading zone fine but there's gonna be 30 Ubers in this lot every day or more people are gonna you know they're not gonna want to walk home it's a rainy day that it's gonna be nuts.

Yeah.

Well can he?

Yeah we're done.

So just to be clear the loading we're asking for is the truck loading area so it's like 30 feet it's it's for big trucks okay thanks.

What what really happens with Uber I think they're gonna drive into the driveway drop off the passenger them up and then use the fire turnaround to turn around and then go back to so that and then with the bike parking we were thinking about providing more but our experience has been if you have a nice bark you just bring it to your unit you take it to your unit.

So I mean you gotta sell this more to the planning commission no I'm just these are things you don't want to talk about.

That's okay.

I don't know I don't know that yeah.

Okay I think that's did I miss anything.

I mean my only my additions of the density of the plantings and the height of the plantings.

So would that mean more trees or or just more everything?

I think more trees so I I do I really do appreciate the amount of open space and green space and places for people to for residents to be outside agreeing also with Commissioner Case that this is probably still in development um so you know how people will use that space will be developed but in general I think that more trees and taller trees will make this feel more settled in the neighborhood.

And and marrying to that comment so you know I mentioned site sections.

Drawing site sections putting trees in the appropriate locations where the views of this will be blocked and the views to the neighbors can be blocked because I think there's the gift of the site plan is there's a lot of room to incorporate right to incorporate um more screening.

Somehow.

And it doesn't all have to be right up against the property line.

It can be brought back, but there is space to to do more screening.

More trees in the common areas, correct?

Yeah, or even and then, I mean, if you're looking at this plan, even along, just have a yeah, along the south side where that um the driveway is and the looking at this slide at the that bottom row there.

Those are residential homes that are directly affected.

So in the in the rear rear in the back.

Back back.

That's adjacent to that are the R eight neighborhood.

Everything else is um higher density multifamily.

Yeah, so you can see you there is a planting bed there.

So there is that opportunity to really create screening with something that's inexpensive and easy to maintain.

Okay.

Also, the comment was made about the the usability of the space for the residents and the tot lot and how hot it gets here and all so the trees relate to that as well.

That we that there needs to be space for children and families to gather and not get cooked.

Okay, I think we're there.

All right.

Okay.

That's the end of that item, so close the public hearing.

So next up is commissioner consideration.

Commission considerations.

This portion of the agenda is for items not on the not required to be publicly noticed, but more formal staff presentation.

Anything?

Um well I'd either for item five or six, but um the next meeting on 9 17, we'll have one item that's gonna look at a mixed use building on Mount Diablo.

I think that will also be presented by Miss Gill.

Um we will also have a guest secretary that night as the secretary will be out of state.

And that'll be Crystal DeCastro.

I think you've met Crystal, she's our long range principal long range planner.

No.

And what is our next signs meeting?

Do we have one?

I I do not think we have any scheduled.

Okay, just page.

Yeah, and um it was brought up earlier um about this the item tonight going to sign sub, but it was just so minor.

Right that I'd figure why why have two meetings for that?

Yeah, okay.

Cool.

Commission member and staff reports or announcements, none?

I won't be at the second October meeting.

Just that's a I won't either.

I'll be in France, I think.

Oh, second October meeting.

We won't have that.

That'll be you, Karen.

I'm going as of the 13th.

Me too.

Um let me get this.

I'll be I I won't be here for the first one.

Okay, so there's there's a meeting on October 15th.

That's the only meeting.

That's the one.

That's the one I'm missing.

You'll you'll you'll be absent.

I will, and so will Commissioner Basing.

Okay, so we will not have a quorum that night.

Correct.

We have two items on that agenda, so we'll just have to move those.

Um what was the what was that the only date we were talking about?

October?

Yeah.

Okay.

Is that the second October one?

Oh, there's not a first one.

Until November.

Uh we have a meeting November 5th.

I will not make that one.

Sorry, we will not make that on a month.

I'm retired.

Fantastic.

I know.

We really need to make Commissioner Riley.

Were you were you gonna were you did I hear you were gonna be absent some meetings?

No, I was opening my calendars to make sure that I think I think I'm fine.

Okay.

Commissioner Newsom.

Since we're scheduling, is October 1st of the meeting?

There is a September 17th, October 15th, and November 5th.

So there isn't the first one in October.

And that'll be the only I think that's the only meeting in November because of the holiday.

Can we move the 15th to the first?

So we're here for it?

Sorry, guys.

Thank you.

Sorry, thank you.

That was good if you I was like, well, just making sure because I I am out of town from September through the October 10.

So we wouldn't be able to yeah, so we we can't do October.

Yeah.

Okay, so it looks like um, possibly.

Oh my gosh.

Can you take me?

I'm sure he loves randomly.

Oh, yeah.

Oh my god.

And there there is no October first meeting because of a holiday.

Okay, and then there is no second November meeting because of the holiday.

A holiday.

Although I'm not sure that November eighteenth is is out yet.

It just hasn't made it to this calendar.

So we might there might be a meeting on the November 19th.

I would try and keep that on the show.

I'm sorry, the nineteenth, yes, there might be one then.

Just load it up.

Figure it out.

Okay.

Are we done?

Did you close it?

We need it.

You want to bang the hammer?

Adjourned.