Welcome everyone.

So first we are gonna do a roll call.

To the March 18th Walmart Creek Design Review Commission meeting.

It is the March eighteenth design review commission meeting.

Um we have a roll call, please.

Can we have a roll call, please?

Thank you, Vice Chair.

Uh Commissioner Newsom.

I am here.

Commissioner Prose.

Vice Chair Riley.

Here.

Commissioner Bass Basting and Commit Well, Commissioner Bassing is absent tonight.

She uh let us know that last week, and Commissioner Case had to recuse from this item.

So we have three, and we have a quorum.

Great.

All right.

So next is the consent calendar.

Is there anything that we have for the consent calendar?

Nothing on the agenda, nor are there any recommendations to move anything to consent.

Great.

Uh next we have public communications.

This portion of the meeting is reserved for comment on items that are not under the on the agenda.

Is there anything anyone here to speak on those things that are not on the agenda?

All right.

The existing joy-bound facility is located at the corner of Oak Grove Road and Mitchell Drive.

And the site is zoned business park.

It is roughly 10-acre site, and the surrounding area consists primarily the immediate area consists of office and commercial uses, and there are residential uses on the other side of Oak Grove Road.

And here are just some photos and a layout of the existing site.

And this is a nonprofit organization which does provide animal rescue and shelter services.

And it was formerly known as the Ranimal Rescue Foundation facility.

And the new 12,000 square foot building will be located.

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Yes, so this is the location for the proposed daycare, and this is roughly 1.5 acres of vacant land along the Mount is facing the Mount Diablo.

Sorry, no, Mitchell, the Mitchell Drive frontage.

And the existing facility does currently operate 11 programs that includes dog and cat training, food share, pet adoptions, other community services, as well as providing service animals to military veterans that reside in the Bay Area.

And so tonight the project before you is a new 12,577 square foot animal daycare building that will also include outdoor training areas, four outdoor exercise yards, as well as a new covered trash enclosure that will be dedicated to this building.

New parking stalls are also proposed, and tree removals that consist of 10 trees, new landscaping with 55 new trees that will be installed, and new building signage.

So tonight the design review commission will review the project, provide any design-related comments or feedback for the design review as well as the conditional use permit, which this is a cultural institution use, the existing operations, and they're essentially expanding the existing use on site.

So what we're looking for tonight is feedback on the design as well as a recommendation to the planning commission if the commission tonight feels the project is sufficiently developed.

So here is a look at the entire site.

What I've highlighted in blue for you is the is the existing Animal Rescue Foundation, and here's that veteran services building that was approved, I believe, in 2016 by this commission.

And so tonight, what we're reviewing is this is just a closer look at that location in reference to this is the entire site.

The yellow area is the new location for the building.

And from the point from here, this is the existing drive aisle, and then they will extend into the new site, creating this driveway access access that that connects to the rest of the site, and it goes, it circulates across the entire site.

And the new parking stalls are located right along here as you enter the site.

And I believe there's a new entry gate that's being proposed and perimeter fencing, as well as ornamental metal fencing that will be along the project frontage facing Mitchell Drive.

And here's a look at the proposed elevations or renderings.

This is the front entrance of the building that will be facing internally into the existing site.

The primary material does consist of cement stucco plaster.

And these renderings depicted as a gray color, but it's really a like a light or a cream color, and I believe the material board is being passed around to the commissioners.

And then the accent colors consist of beige and brown, that'll be along the base of the building as well as along the along the entrance of the primary entrance of the building.

Metal panel accents and dark framed windows are also proposed, as well as a recessed entry with metal metal panel and canopy above it.

And the articulate the architectural articulation as well as the materials do compliment complement the existing buildings on site.

And here is the elevation that's facing the adjacent property.

Again, the same colors, the articulation, the recessed windows and the canopies are carried along to each of all of the elevations.

Here is the west elevation.

This faces the back of the site, which would be looking towards that existing veteran services building that's located in the back with the parking lot.

And this is the east elevation, which is facing Mitchell Drive.

And as part of this project, tree removals are also being requested.

There are a total of 13 trees that are being removed.

Of these 13 trees, three have been approved by the city arborist as due to the size species and the poor health of the trees.

And I did want to point out that all of the trees being removed tonight are merely landscape type species, and none are highly protected species.

And I have bubbled the trees that are being preserved on site and off-site with the with the green bubble.

And here is the proposed landscaping plan.

A total of 55 new trees will be planted throughout the site, and they range from 15 gallon to 24-inch box.

And there is a variety consisting of maple, crepe myrtles, Brisbane pistache trees, and live oak trees will be planted along the project frontage again, facing Mitchell Drive.

And here is the proposed signage.

What you see here are the two wall signs that are proposed for the near the primary entrance.

Here is the sign that you see.

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And then this is the other sign that you see right here on the rendering.

And the I believe the one sign is non-illuminated, and the primary joy-bound sign will be illuminated.

And the total sign area for all three signs combined is 61 square feet, and it does fall within the parameters of what the city sign ordinance allows, is well below what would be allowed for this building.

And here is that sign on the other elevation that's facing, I believe, is the south elevation facing the adjacent property.

And here they have the it's right there.

And I also wanted to point out what you see on the renderings is what it what the signs will, the location of the signs.

So this uh the way if you notice the renderings for the signage up top depicted a little lower, but it's actually going to be placed higher, and that so the sign renderings will be updated to reflect that.

And so, as part of this project, uh it is uh subject to um CEQA or environmental review that is currently under review with the city as the city is uh waiting for several studies, such as the traffic study and some information on noise to really determine uh the determination of uh because the the project is not exempt from CEQA, so really to determine would this have any impacts or would it not have any impact?

So we're still that's still under review.

This project isn't exempt because it's over 10 acres, so it did not qualify for an infill CEQA exemption.

And uh the project does comply with the city's uh business park development standards as far as height as under 40 feet, and it meets all of the setbacks along the front, side, and rear, um, as well as the lock coverage requirements, and it's also designed to meet the city's design review standards and guidelines, and I believe that checklist is included in your packet tonight, and that is I think attachment nine of your packet.

And the project also meets the parking requirements.

Um there are existing parkings, and for this project, parking stalls and for this project, 42 additional stalls would be required, and there are a total of 207 stalls on site where 197 would be required.

And there are a total of 207 stalls on site where 197 would be required.

So they're overparked.

Um they're providing additional parking beyond what is required.

And the project would also be uh subject to the public art uh requirement.

Um I believe the applicants team has been uh working with the public arts manager to really see if they there's a way they could provide public art on site.

Again, I we could um let the applicant speak more on that if if we haven't received any anything as far as a submittal, but I believe there's been some discussion.

And uh with that, staff does recommend that the design review commission uh review and comment on the following topics that are listed on this slide, as well as provide a positive recommendation to the planning commission to move this project forward.

And that is all I have, but I'm happy to answer any questions.

Any questions?

No?

Okay, okay.

Thank you.

Is there a presentation from the applicant or not?

We're available for questions.

Okay.

Introduce yourself.

Good evening.

Uh my name is Greg Bua, uh with JPA Strategies Group, uh, the architect.

Uh and then tonight I have with me the uh representatives from ownership, uh Susan Lee Vick, uh, she's the CEO.

Uh Cheryl McKenna, the CFO, and then Scott Corney uh is project consultant.

And then we have uh members from the design team.

Uh Michael Vidra is the civil engineer, and then Jesse Moran is the uh representing the landscape architect.

Thank you.

Commissioners.

Does people have questions?

I'll I'll start with some questions.

I mean these are these are design, uh, these are gonna be addressed to you.

You're the architect, right?

Yeah.

So like um basically color.

So the it's not gray, it reads were gray, but it's more tan, I can see now, brown.

It's kind of distinct from the existing campus.

The existing campus is I I don't like the colors really, they're yellow and orange, but it's but they're really different.

I mean how do you how can you unify the campus a little better so it reads all together?

That showed the yellow are older images, that's what it used to look like.

Uh okay.

The yeah, Joy Bound went through a process with the city and changed the yellow to the the color you have there.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

All right.

This is matching the the color that is is out there now.

No issue.

All right.

So then Yeah, we didn't go.

I wanted a Google Earth myself.

It's like I'm I remember what it looks like very clearly because I got a dog there.

So um Yeah, so it's the facility is somewhat easy to miss from Mitchell and from the broader Oak Grove corridor.

How are you approaching visibility and arrival for first-time visitors?

There is an existing uh monument sign right now, uh right next to the driveway.

I think on the north side of the driveway.

So there will there will be that signage and then the let's see.

Yeah, right here.

There's an existing monument sign right now.

And then the signage that uh Simmer was pointing out on the building, the joy bound signed is up high right here on this side, and then up high right here.

So that that should be visible uh to anyone driving by.

I mean, I I'd say this is more of a comment, but it it it's it's that's all on Mitchell, right?

So most of the furniture is on Oak Grove, it just seems like there needs there be better to have some measure of visibility on Oak Grove.

Something up here.

Okay, yeah, yeah.

Right right now, the only entrance is is off of Mitchell and I think I believe along Oak Grove.

Uh you can see the building, uh, but but you're right, there is no there's no signage that I'm aware of on that side.

All right.

Okay.

Um third thing is like the the building hierarchy.

So this building is gonna be the first thing you see as you enter that driveway.

Is it intended to be the entrance for the whole campus?

Like are you do you want folks who are coming for the first time to actually actually uh show up at the entrance to this new facility, or are you trying to direct them to the back?

And how are you how are you directing them to wherever you want to go?

Uh yeah, when they drive in, they'll they will see this this building uh initially um uh as they as they pull in on the left.

And if they uh go down a little bit further uh to look for parking or whatnot, they will see the the main facility.

It's very visible from this main existing driveway.

Okay, all right.

Um about how about that crossing, that pedestrian crossing?

Uh why why there?

Uh we did it there because that is where the the handicap stalls were, so it made sense to uh the accessible path of travel uh can it right now is along this north side of the drive aisle, and so we continue that accessible path across the lane right there, and then right uh excuse me, right there is the main entrance.

And so that is that would there be any instance where somebody would want to go from one facility to the other, or maybe would you would you take the animals across the street to exercise them?

I don't think the animals would go across the street.

Uh you may have staff going back and forth possibly between buildings.

Yeah.

Okay.

Um fencing.

So the fencing is arguably as there's as much fencing as there is building.

So do you want to just kind of walk us through what the fencing is going to look like?

Yeah.

The uh so both the any walls or fencing where we're mimicking again what's already on site.

Uh there are a series of walls and fences around the uh exercise yards here.

Uh the yards are we didn't do one massive yard, we broke it up into four different yards.

Uh and so there you've got perimeter walls that go around that uh both to uh uh screen the dogs and then also for uh noise.

Um those walls are CMU with cement plaster finish uh painted to match the building, um just like the other walls that are out there right now.

Uh and then along the street frontage, there is a perimeter wall that is set 25 feet back, and that we we wanted to soften that one up being along the street frontage, and so that one is only four feet tall.

Again, CMU with cement plaster finish, and then there is a three-foot fence that is mimicking fencing that's already on site on top of that wall.

And that's that's only in the front on Mitchell.

Correct.

That that wall goes in the front along the room.

And then what is the what is that fabric or whatever look like?

Is it like vinyl coated or is it the metal on top of the wall?

Uh it's it's it's just a metal fence that's on it's uh uh decorative um uh uh steel, not mesh, um, but but like bar grates um that is on the front.

Uh along the side of the property uh is a black coated uh chain link fence.

Okay.

Again, that that's also on on site in various places.

Okay.

And the wall, I'll just point, I'll mention too that the another thing that we did with the wall fence combination along the front here.

Uh, you know, it's set 25 feet back, and so it is fully landscaped in front.

Uh there are four large uh coastal live oaks that are gonna be planted along here along with shrubs and uh various ground cover.

I mean, can we see what that fence looks like on the on the Mitchell frontage?

Uh it is on the landscape plan.

I don't know if there's a way to pull that up.

Uh I'll tell you what she's doing.

Or you could describe it, the landscape person's here, right?

So please so um you're familiar with the existing site.

Yeah.

Um and that has a low stucco wall kind of around the outside edge.

Um and so that is very similar to the base, right?

Of this uh wall fence combo that's running along the the Mitchell Road frontage.

So it's basically a um, I believe it's a a four-foot stucco base with what's called an orso grille topper on it.

And the orcer grill you can see on the existing site around towards the back as you come along Oak Grove, you can see this kind of slightly see-through kind of metal mesh.

There's a a panel of that that runs along the top of the stung stucco wall on the Mitchell Road front edge.

So this is so it matches.

So it matches.

It's it's pulling from the materials in the reference from the existing site.

Okay.

And then the stucco color is gonna match the building somewhat.

Yeah.

Okay.

There's a detail, uh thumbnail detail I might add on L sheet L 1.0?

Yeah, I saw that.

I just it just wasn't clear to me that it matched, so that's not an issue.

Um then on the this the fencing that goes around the yard, is that full height CMU?

Yes.

So there's a little bit of a layering that happens.

There's a full height CMU on the outside edges and then the yard themselves inside of that are the uh black vinyl coated.

Um inside okay, so inside.

Yeah, inside that.

That doesn't matter because the public doesn't see it, right?

It's gotta work.

Right?

Matters to the dogs, yeah.

Dogs are important, I'll tell you.

Um about how about lighting?

There's 25 foot pole lights.

Are those all the way out in the street?

I mean, how do you modulate it so that it doesn't spill off the site?

Uh yeah, they will have uh uh have built-in shields and cutoffs that direct everything down.

Uh we won't have any any spillage onto the street.

Um the 25 foot height is matching what's already on site.

Uh I believe they're white uh pole lights, and so we're matching the same.

Okay.

Last one's a landscape question.

So I mean the project screening revive uh relies heavily on landscaping along Mitchell Drive.

Can you elaborate how the landscape creates a coherent frontage and identity, not just screening?

Uh so parts to that, right?

The how does it how does it screen create a coherent identity?

Uh so we were just talking about that fence, right?

The combo fence along Mitchell.

Um and the rendering here shows kind of a uniformed massing um of color underneath those live oaks along the front.

Uh but it's actually two different species that mimic the greens, light and dark greens that happen in those coast live oaks.

So the larger uh shrubs are along the back along the wall, stepping down to um Arctostapholis, which is uh uh like a very low form of manzanita.

So it's really pulling from kind of the landscape ecology that you see across your city and that's relatively native or indigenous to uh the land itself.

Uh so it's continuing some of the look that happens around the existing facility, um, but harking more towards kind of the the streetscape landscape that you have um along the adjacent roadway.

Nice.

And then looks like the stormwater is kind of a work in progress.

You it is based here.

Yeah.

You've got to figure out what you gotta do.

How are you are you how would you deal with bioretention or whatever are you doing?

Are you planting the swales or what are you up to there?

Uh we do intend to plant in the swales, and as I understand, we would probably irrigate those slightly just to make sure that that the species that are in there can tolerate the variations that happen throughout the year.

Smart.

Yeah.

All right, that's good.

Thanks.

Thank you.

Go ahead.

You're up.

Thank you.

Uh I've got a few questions.

Uh, some of them parallel Commissioner Newsom's comments.

Uh, onto the signs and kind of being on site, is you know, you got three buildings on this campus now.

Is there intended to be any wayfinding signage that may come to kind of point you what direction what building to go to?

Yes.

Is that currently an issue now in terms of just the A and B being on site?

Yep, sorry.

Hi, Cheryl McKenna, I'm the CFO and COO.

Um, we are definitely incorporating wayfinding into this right now.

Um we don't have comprehensive wayfinding, so we use a lot of A-frames with some you know nice printed adoptions this way, training that way, clinic this way.

So wayfinding will be um something that my team has been waiting very long to happen and very excited to have added to this project.

Okay.

Will it be part of this uh submission in the end?

Does it have to be?

Oh, that's interesting.

I don't know.

I don't have an answer.

Does it have to be?

What's the question?

We're gonna comment that it does.

Okay, okay.

Yeah, that could be a common.

Sure.

We can make that happen.

Okay.

As long as we get some wayfinding, we'll do what you want.

Uh additionally, one of the renderings showed plantings in front of one of the kennel walls, kennel CMU walls.

And the site plan does show kind of vegetated beds in front of those CMU walls.

Does that planting continue around the the building proper the the CMU walls?

All sides of the building.

Uh the initial run ring, I guess is that's the one that's from from Mitchell.

On the left side of the building, there's plantings in front of the the wall.

Yes.

So as you go of your as you're onto the site along the the driveway, well, really the I guess the north and the west sides is that there are planting areas.

Will there be um plantings on those walls as well?

Will those just be stucco?

Uh my understanding is that there are plantings on those walls as well.

Okay.

Yeah.

Um question for the architect, any special detailing in terms of control joints or controlling of you know climbing plants on those to make sure that walls stays integral, you know, it stays has some longevity.

I'm sorry, say it again.

Uh any special detailing um in terms of controlling the succour in this movement and the involvement plants, just make sure those walls don't cracks and things like that all the time.

Yeah, it will have because they're probably there they have some length to them.

There'll be uh expansion joints or control joints.

So thank you.

Um there are a number of surface drains um, you know, for washing down things.

Are those connected to the sanitary sewer or are those connected to the biofiltration facility?

Uh let uh Michael with the civil engineer speak.

Yeah, say that one more time.

The uh a number of the kind of watch on drains that are run the facility.

Um are those connected directly to the San Reserve or the storm sewer, or do they dump into the bioretention facility?

They're gonna dump into the bioretention facilities.

So the new ones coming off the ones coming off the roof?

Yes.

Yeah, those are gonna overland and or underground still to be determined, but the ones that are close overland and then dump into the bioretention for treatment.

And what about surface drainage walkways versus?

Yeah, those will dump into the stormwater treatment facilities as well.

Okay.

And again, as it was pointed out, those are still a work in progress, but the idea is we've we've got them on there.

Okay.

Uh and I also notice my last question, I know on the side plan that there are new roadway gates that kind of tie into that wall.

Is um, you know, looks like there may be also pedestrian gates that's like bringing wind, but um the the vehicle gates, is that is there a purpose for those specifically security otherwise?

Yes, I'll jump back in.

Um we've had quite a bit of challenges with security.

Um less so since they've raised the vacant uh JPG building next door.

Um but we've had a lot of um gas siphoning, people ripping open electric areas to get places where I guess they could charge their phones.

So the intention is those gates will be open during the day.

Um but we do want to close in our campus at night and especially uh help protect our fleet, and we've had some we've had some vandalism to our solar panels too.

People, you know, probably to get teenagers throwing stuff up on there and stuff.

So just trying to mitigate that as much as possible.

Okay, great.

And I would just ask to make sure the fire department is aware of those on their on the drawing so they have access to the buildings if needed.

Okay, all right.

That's all I have.

Okay, thank you.

Hi.

Uh just a couple of questions.

One, um, and again, it's that signage thing again.

When you showed the signs for um the new building, there was nothing on there that said that it was for like pet daycare or things like that.

I know that you said you're gonna be working on um wayfaring.

So I've spent a lot of time going to ARF.

Um, so or joybound.

Um and it's very confusing to know which building to go to.

So I just wonder was there a reason that you didn't put on this building.

It says pet care center, but that seems rather vague to me.

No, I hear you.

And that was actually kind of a holding spot.

We actually now have since this was put together, we've um obtained a or secured, I shouldn't say obtained a donor to name the building.

So that was a kind of a placeholder.

So it actually would be called the Liberty Center.

They named it after their dog Liberty.

So it'll be the Liberty Center, boarding daycare, and behavioral clinic.

So perfect.

Okay.

Um the next thing I wanted to just ask about is the issue of noise.

It seems like you guys put in things to mitigate noise.

And can you just talk a little bit through what what that noise is or how it might affect the neighbors?

Sure.

So as you know, we've been around for it'll be 35 years in June.

Um and we're pretty well known for not being a noisy raucous um organization.

However, there will be in this particular area, more dogs outside during the day in one place than we normally have.

So hence some of those the walls, the berms, et cetera, just to try and make sure that we can continue to be our our nice noiseless, noiseless neighbor um reputation and keep that in stack.

We we are aware that it's slightly different in the fact that we'll have a number of dogs outside at a time in a exercise yard, which we don't generally have 20 dogs at a time right now.

So that's kind of what we're trying to make sure we we don't want to be the the noisy neighbor and everybody doesn't like us anymore.

Perfect.

And then I have another question sort of along those lines.

So in this new area, you're gonna be using it during the daytime, is that correct?

Yes.

And then can you talk a little bit about what the surface material is gonna be and shade in respect to that?

Because I know that on the existing, you have a lot of mature trees that provide shade.

And that's not something that I see here.

Yeah.

I think I think I can at least start that that question.

Yeah.

Um so you can see the on this particular plan, um, the uh squares with uh dashes.

Oh maybe I can.

Uh yeah, no, I see them.

Um so those are shade structures that are cantilevered out over um the the yards themselves, the exercise yards.

Okay.

Um so they are they create solid patches of shade but intermittent shade.

Um and they're definitely important as um the adjacent trees have the opportunity to grow in and pro provides to augment right the shade provided as well.

Um my understanding um is that these are astro turf surfaces.

Yeah.

Um so that they can be cleaned and they can be resettled as needed.

Um they're also softer, you know, for dogs they ca who care about that.

Um and so they both, you know, give a sense of kind of a grass feel, but they can also be washed down.

Okay.

Yeah.

Um Did that answer your question?

Yeah, it did.

I guess my I guess my question is what if it's a day like today and the astro turf is too hot for the dogs to be on.

So we also do a lot of fields.

Um and with fields we don't have the opportunity to provide shade structures like this.

So that is so the shade structures themselves are an opportunity to keep the surfacing cool as well.

Okay.

So ahead.

The the artificial turf that's been selected is specifically uh designed for dogs and to uh stay cool.

Okay.

The the turf is meant to be cool.

It's got a uh sub base and sub um drainage system that's meant to keep it cool.

And so it's it's meant to stay cool even on hot sunny days.

So that in combination with the trees and with the the um sunshades, um that's how that's all getting handled.

Okay.

I'll add one comment.

And just to add, we are we have existing exercise fields out there now that are the astroturf and on some days it gets really hot.

Even you know, having a little bit of shade and stuff is enough.

We just hose them down with the take the dogs out for a while, bring them back in, spell spell them, hose it down again.

So great.

Thank you.

Um and then my last question, I guess, is for uh the the city.

Uh I'm curious as to what is being developed.

Do we know what's being developed on the old JGI site?

So which is what's gonna be directly west of here?

Uh yeah, you're speaking about the um site that was uh approved for the um uh apartments for senior living that that one?

Yes, that it's just directly so it's like directly adjacent.

Directly adjacent.

Yeah, the the that that property um is for sale.

Um we have held meetings with several potential purchasers.

Um but uh I I do believe it's still for sale.

Okay, so we don't know what's going on, yeah.

We don't it is it is that does have a PD zoning for specifically for residential use.

Oh it does by family residential use.

Okay.

For seniors.

Okay.

Yeah.

So great.

Thank you.

Those are all my questions.

I do have one additional question.

Um this will obviously be a little more of a water-intensive project.

Any thought to cost benefit analysis of code review of using stormwater or rainwater collection that through the course of wash down things like this may be of a benefit to the uh facility.

Um I'll share that the you can't see it on here, but on the canal uh trail runs on our, I don't even know what this is, south, north, north, thank you.

North side.

Um and we did at one point have a um a pump that we would use to help pull from there to mitigate you know the the other water usage.

Um that pump has not been um in working order for several years now, so we're trying to raise some money.

It's significant to uh to replace it.

Um but that is my facility manager's great hope is that we can get that pump working again.

So yeah, we're thinking about it not just in terms of this, but the whole the whole campus.

Okay, but nothing in terms of rainwater collection storage reuse on site.

That's no, no, but it has it it we never consider it because it is typically so expensive and just such an outlier that it would be a discussion that maybe I would start to have with Joy Bound and Cheryl to see hate, you know, there's some ideas potentially for it, but it's you know in California it's only you can only collect rainwater for certain amounts, and then it's just the big box sitting out there that doesn't do anything for you for a while, but something to look into.

Yeah, thank you.

Thank you very much.

Um public comments, thank you.

Is there do we have any public comments?

No, we don't.

Okay.

Yeah, you can go ahead and close the public hearing.

All right, we're gonna close the public hearing.

Commissioner comments.

Yeah, uh super supportive of the institution, like I said.

I got got my own dog there.

It's you've been a great member of the community, so thank you.

I I support the project.

Um what you're trying to do.

I think it's cool.

Um I think that said, I mean, just a few comments.

Um I'm sure this is gonna come out as part of the environmental review, but but I'll say it.

I mean, look at the acoustics and the walls.

You're gonna be right up against the property line.

Um and you know, can kennels, because you can have kennels now.

You're gonna hear them.

So that something the walls have to do.

I'm actually happy to see that the walls adjacent to where the dogs are is taller.

Didn't pick that up, so I asked the question.

So just look at the acoustic with relation to the walls.

Um, it doesn't obviously full cutoff lights are as important.

I think it might be on there, but if not, that's a comment.

Just like identity.

Right now, the identity of the whole site is is kind of weak.

Um happy to see you have that sign up front.

I think it's gonna be really important that you add some wayfinding as you as you drive onto the site, you know, talk about traffic.

You know, it's possible.

I don't know.

There's not a ton of people are gonna come screaming it out of here, but you know, it'd be good from a vehicular level to have some wayfinding so that people know which building to go to.

Um that's it.

Thank you.

Uh I'll uh second uh Commissioner Newsom's comments about welcoming more opportunities for pets in the community.

I've uh two laborators myself, not from Joy Bound, but uh they shouldn't do any joy to our lives.

Um and also well as on the on the wayfinding, you know, this can certainly be is something which is kind of multi-level, maybe your communications to you know uh people use the facility frequently, infrequently, their communications come in yellow, go to the yellow building, the communication of the text comes in green.

I mean, there's ways you can weave um you know market materials and the building identification, maybe together more.

They're not quite so um literal, but then again, that may be through your study is what needs to be done.

But you know, I'm sure there are opportunities I'm gonna make that work, and then I welcome the project.

Um as I said before, I am a cat person, not a dog person, and have done cat rescue for many years and brought many cats to get fixed, and I really appreciate your support of all of the creatures.

Um I think it's a great project, again for the third, well mentioning the wayfinding and the signage, I think is really important.

Again, it's it's always been an issue with the site.

So this seems to be the opportunity that you can really work on that.

The only other um comment I would make is I know that you probably don't want to put a six-foot wall along that side whereas there's that vacant lot and the housing is gonna go in.

But I really do think that in the desire to make that a desirable piece of land, if you could maybe have the plants be denser there or higher there, just really laying on the sound mitigation along that edge.

So the edge that's sort of parallel to oak grove, I think would be really um valuable for the community as a whole.

So that's my only additional comment.

Right.

Also look at acoustics.

Um way or another.

Yeah.

Okay.

Um, show maybe provide cut sheets if they haven't already for cut off shielded lighting and for sight for the site.

Specifically the pole signs.

I mean, pole lights.

Yeah.

Um, let's see.

And those are those those are the consensus items that I've got listed.

Did I miss anything?

Is there anybody that doesn't ag doesn't agree with any of those things?

Do we have a consensus?

Okay.

Moving on.

Moving on.

Um, this is a time for commission considerations.

This portion of the agenda is for items not required to be publicly noticed, but where a formal staff presentation, question answer period, public input or discussion among commissioners is helpful.

Um, are there any commission member or staff reports or announcements?

Um, the only re the only report that I have is that the design review commission agendas are looking uh that they're empty for the coming months.

So I'm not sure why, but uh more than likely something will show up, but right now there's there's nothing on there.

All right.

Okay.

We are tearing down the community center, and we'll be replacing it with the new aquatics and community center here at Heatherform Park.