Good evening, everyone.

Let the record indicate it is now five oh two PM in the finance committee for the city work is called to order.

First item is PCR sixty seven twenty six.

Is 2027 049 Munisoport and update?

Court up good evening, Director.

Municipal Court update.

Say what?

Munis.

I thought you said municipal court.

I made it.

I probably did.

I probably did.

I cannot give an update on the municipal court.

My fill colleagues said you heard wrong.

It wasn't my first me.

Phil Carlucci, IT director.

It's a rare opportunity.

I get to be first on the list.

I think this is the only time it's my number one expense item for the year.

This is a request under City Ordinance 566 to award the Munis software maintenance contract to Tyler Technologies and the amount of 310,000 347.8 cents.

This represents an approximately 10% increase over uh last year's invoice.

However, I wanted to point out that for whatever reason, um, there's a training component to the ERP system we use, and that has always been a separate quote each year, and we submitted it separately.

This year, uh, they put it all into one.

So it's it's about $8,000.

It's the same price.

That piece did not go up from last year.

It was $7,995 last year.

It's the same thing this year.

We also have uh two modules that we started that were prorated at the previous invoice, and this is the first full year we'll have for those.

Uh that was the citizen self-service and the employee self-service uh modules that we're using.

So it so actually when you combine both, it really wasn't uh 10% increase, right?

It was about seven percent actually.

Okay.

And have you found um that this is pretty well the norm for this type of stuff, this that price increase?

We always look at 10% uh being average.

15 is on the high end every once in a while you'll get a three or a five percent increase, but software tends to go up somewhere between five to fifteen percent, with 10% being right in the middle.

So I'd say this is on the lower middle side of the increases we get.

It's just a large number.

It's it's our number one software package.

But what's the alternative?

Right.

Well, I I'll take this opportunity for my annual public service announcement to let you know that this cost has a suicide, but this cost is actually has a potential to double.

The reason being is they did not do it this year, but just like every other software company, we run this on premise.

So we bought the software, we pay a maintenance fee to maintain it, but we run it here on our servers.

Somewhere in the near future, Tyler will no longer offer that as an option.

When I say the near future, probably in the next year or two.

At that point in time, you would have to use what they refer to as their SAS offering, SAAS software as a service.

Um, they take the program, they update it, they run it on their hardware, you connect to it, yada yada yada.

It has some cost savings, certainly not to the tune that they charge.

Uh, we have tried our darndest to negotiate with them over the last couple years to say what incentive could you do?

Take, let's say it's a $300,000 increase.

Could you give us a hundred thousand dollar increase the first year, a two hundred thousand dollar increase the second year, and then go to a three hundred thousand dollar increase the third year so we could ramp up.

Um three times we've taken that to senior management at Tyler, and three times they said no.

I still am hopeful that when they get down to having to push their last customers to the SAS offering, that they'll be no more pliable and a little more negotiating in it.

But for this year, we decided just for you know trying to cut down our cost, obviously.

Um, we're gonna stay with on-premise for the year.

And in you know, like I said, there are some savings when you go to a SAS solution, they're just not significant enough to motivate us right now.

Okay, it also says um update licensing with pace nine training days.

Is that meaning that there's nine training days that we're gonna receive?

Yes.

We for this we get um there they are rather flexible.

We've utilized in the past, certainly the educational days we use, they'll come in, they'll do a class for whoever, whatever department they want to do.

It gives you a couple free tickets to their annual conference, they do evaluations of a given module, say the general ledger or purchasing, they'll come in and evaluate and tell you where you're not best utilizing the software, maybe some functionality um that they'll open up for you.

That's all included in there, and they sometimes will let us kind of use consulting service and call it training.

Now with this municipal support that we're gonna be approving tonight, is the school department going to be hooking up with us on the MUNIS stuff?

Actually, the school department is using their SaaS solution.

I just don't know how efficiently they're using it.

Um we have had esoteric conversations about a potential.

Um the way you structure any ERP system, and certainly it's true with Tyler, is a hierarchy.

If we were to put Warwick as the hierarchy, you then could break out the city and the school department is two separate entities under those, and they can run autonomously, but at the same time, figures could be rolled up significantly into the general ledger, so you could actually have rather than some of the manual transactions and journal entries we do now.

So there is an opportunity, but at this point in time, we're basically on two different systems, even though it's both MUNIS.

Okay, thank you.

Any questions from members of the committee?

Any questions from members of the council?

Any questions from members of the public?

Hearing none, thank you, Director.

We will move on to item number two, found on page seven, 2027 zero thirty eight a medical supplies and medications.

Good afternoon, Chief.

Good afternoon, Assistant Chief Almanhauer from the fire department.

Fire Department Reviewed bid 2027 zero three eight A, uh six vendors submitted bids.

And the fire department is recommending three vendors that have proposed the lowest prices.

Uh, we're recommending the following three vendors bound tree medical, Henry Shine, and Life Assist Inc.

The current bid expires uh July 20th of this year.

We're requesting a one-year bid effective 72126 through 72027, an amount not to exceed 157,500.

Chief, on these medical supplies, I know we have a list in here of um lots and lots of supplies.

These um supplies is this something that the city charges the um insurance companies for um what we have um mutual aid communities.

Do we charge these folks for these supplies that we use?

Yeah, it's part of the and the rescue bill in this is all the supplies that they use on the rescues uh medications, disposable supplies, reusable supplies and equipment.

Uh, but the the charge that we pay uh for the rescue bill in, it's a flat fee for a BLS transport or advanced life support transport.

And then if certain procedures and medications are given, like the higher level stuff, those are built out separately.

So yeah, there is a charge, uh a flat charge for most of the stuff and then a higher charge for the more advanced equipment.

So how does the city or fire department keep track of the actual cost to the taxpayers for these medical supplies versus the revenue we receive from insurance companies or uh mutual aid communities that we invoice?

Uh so there's not a direct correlation because like I said, the rescue bill is a flat fee.

So we don't charge like per item used if it's a disposable supply, kind of like a hospital would.

Uh the way the uh rescue billing works, it's a flat charge unless it's one of the higher advanced level things.

Uh we do keep track of what we use uh and what we order separately, but it's not really related to the actual bill in cycle itself.

So it'd be like a cost of doing business would be the kind of the best way I can analogize it is the entire amount that we get in rescue bill and part of the expense that goes towards that rescue bill and expense in addition to the personnel costs and the vehicles is the supplies and equipment that we use.

So, what's the formula that you use to assess for the cost of these medical supplies?

You say it's included in the um the billing that we provide to whomever.

What what is it is in that billing is it 2%, 5%, 10%?

How do you get a number that is going to be applied to offset this expense of 157,500?

The fire department doesn't assess that, that's set in city ordinance.

So the city ordinance is what sets that fill bill and fee.

So you guys set you guys set that that bill and fee.

And it's I believe uh in discussions with finance, typically it's like an average of the top 10 uh departments bill and rates in the area, and like I think that's kind of how they use that's kind of what they use for their gauge of the billing.

But that's what we do in set where uh and then that's set in that city ordinance, those rates.

So I think what you've just suggested is that I need to do some homework on how we can account for what we're paying or what the taxpayers are paying and what we're being reimbursed for.

Got it.

Bear with me one minute.

Okay, thank you, Chief.

Um, some other questions.

What did you spend in this line item last year?

Last year.

Uh well, this current fiscal, I'm sorry, I mean fiscal year 2026.

To date uh in fiscal year 2026, we spent 82,580.

Uh the yeah last year in 2025, we spent 100 and in a total fiscal year, uh, it was about 123,590.

And so this year's budget was 144,000, right?

Fiscal year 2026?

I believe so, yeah.

That's what currently what our budget is.

And on May 18th, there was an encumbrance total of $30,652.

So it's about two weeks ago.

Have you received the product that is reflected in that encumbrance?

I don't do that.

The EMS chief is the one who orders and does the receiving of that stuff.

Uh if it's encumbered and not actually has a check wrote to them yet, that means probably it's either hasn't been received or uh it's been received, the invoice just hasn't been processed through through finance yet.

But I would typically that stuff comes in within like two or three days.

So I would assume that it would be in by now.

It's just we're just processing the invoice.

I'm asking because that's about one-fifth of your total budget, actually, a little bit less than one-fifth.

But um if that material has not been received yet, it makes me asked the question again why are you stepping up 13,000 more this year than last year?

So the cap on this is just matches the budget for the fiscal year.

So almost almost 100% of what we spend in that EMS supplies budget is from this bid.

So typically what I do is I take whatever the awarded uh budget is for the fiscal year, and I put that as our spending authority.

So this year that line got 157,500.

Originally I went out for more, but then when that budget got cut down before it came to the council, I reduced that number before it got here.

So are you saying that in this fiscal year, ending June 30th, that you expect to have expensed out 157,500?

No, that's next fiscal year.

This this is for next fiscal year.

Okay, that's the budget for next fiscal year.

So this year you're looking to be somewhere around that 144,000.

Uh we're gauging on that.

Since we spent 123 last year, we typically go up every year, things get more expensive, and we get a larger volume of runs every year.

So I'd expect to be at or a little bit more than that 123,000, yes.

So tell me what you spent so far this year.

82,580.

82,500.

And that's as of today?

Yes.

And you expect to spend another 62,000 between now and the end of June?

I hope not.

But that very that very may very well exist.

Uh the way that the EMS chief does his ordering is in bunches, so he does some things on a monthly basis for resupply, and he does larger things on a quarterly basis.

So he may be wrapping up that quarterly basis one right now, which is typically a pretty expensive order when he when he does do it.

Okay, that's that's all I have for right now.

Anyone from the committee have any questions?

Any members of the council have any questions?

Any questions from members of the public?

Do we have any questions from members of the public?

Thank you, Chief.

Thank you, none.

We'll move on to item three, 2027-050 telephone services found on page 39.

Phil Carlucci, IT director.

This is a request under city ordinance 566 566 to award the city's telephony services to Cox Communication in the amount of 121,000 dollars.

Um this accounts for 12 months of service starting in July 1st, 26 through June 30th, 27.

Um covering our desk phones of VoIP integration through those voicemail and those services that go around it.

Our average bill is a just under about 1,100 a month.

It varies depending on what we've cleaned up uh any given time if we can find phones that are not in use, or if someone needs a phone that uh for a new position.

And this isn't something that um well if we don't approve it, that's okay because we have other options.

There is no other options, right?

I think you could ask just about any employee if you took their desk phone away, would they be upset?

But um the only other option would be to go out to bid, and then there's um an argument on who owns the phone numbers, so it'd be uh revamping of all the phone numbers in direct inward dialing the DID numbers to the city.

Um so it would be a major undertaking, and I doubt you would find uh that greater cost savings without going to a lesser service.

I will give Cox credit.

Um the service that they do provide us, they've we're just going through an entire upgrade of all the desk phones that within reason has no cost to the city.

Um they're very responsive.

So it's worked out well for us.

Any questions from members of the committee?

Uh councilman Mudow.

Hi, Director.

Hello, just a clarification.

You said our bills were $1,100 a month.

It varies between $9,400, $9500.

I've seen them come in.

Uh that's where we come up with the estimate of about $121,000.

Okay.

It there's the budget, and this was talked about at the budget.

Um it used to be IT would pay the entire thing, and at the end of the year, they would do a distribution to the different cost centers, which I never saw.

Um, this year we noticed when I started the budget, the six-month cost was like $90,000, including some Verizon stuff in my telephony bill.

Um, when we got to the budget hearings, the nine-month had been in my account was down to 60.

So I had gotten a 30,000.

That had to the best of my knowledge, that had never happened before that early.

So the distribution, we've taken the budget dollar amount down, but the city pays in the vicinity of 120,000 dollars a year by whatever cost centers or it's charged to.

Thank thank you.

You clarified my second question, which is the correct pronunciation of I did not say anything.

Councilman Lannister notice I did not say anything.

Any other questions from members of the council?

Any questions from members of the council?

Do we have any questions from members of the public?

Are there any questions from members of the public?

Hearing none, thank you, Director.

We'll move on to item number four, 2027.

Uh Phil Carlucci, IT director.

Um I'm sorry.

Okay.

Um I'm going to make a motion to pause the finance committee meeting as of five twenty-five for a brief period.

Um we have um well I'm gonna make that motion and pause to five twenty five at five twenty-five.

We have a second.

All in favor, aye, and I will defer to the council president to um explain.

Thank you.

We're gonna just break for a moment and we'll swap to intergovernmentals so we can do something time sensitive.

Sorry for the unusual order of things.

Time is now five twenty-seven.

Intergovernmental comes to order.

First item of business.

Uh we have two appointments to the Historic District Commission.

Um we're gonna go in reverse order here because I think there's a time constraint.

Uh so first up is gonna be Caitlin Greeley from Ward One.

Uh this is a new appointment to the uh historic district commission.

Good evening, Miss Grizzly.

How are you?

I'm well, thanks, how are you?

Thank you for joining us tonight.

Oh, I'm sorry.

I'll open up the floor to you first.

Tell us a little bit about your background and your interest in serving on the Historic District Commission.

Absolutely.

So I have a bachelor's of arts degree in architectural studies and art history from Connecticut College and a Master of Urban Planning from the University of Michigan.

I worked for four years for the city of Boston as a preservation planner.

Um as a staff for three different historic districts, including Beacon Hill, which you may know as one of the um oldest historic districts in the country.

Um and then I moved on to work for the division of statewide planning, and I'm still there.

Um there since about 2013, and I work with municipalities.

I provide technical assistance, um, help develop state guide plans and help municipalities develop their comprehensive plans and also review them.

Thank you so much.

Sure.

Appreciate that overview and uh appreciate you stepping up to help out in your home uh town of uh Warwick, Rhode Island.

Um do any members of the committee have any questions of Miss Greeley on her appointment?

Seeing none, members of the council, councilman Ricks.

Just uh pardon me.

Just wanted to briefly say thank you for coming here to the city council.

Thank you for volunteering for the commission.

It's important work.

Doesn't get a lot of thanks, so want to make sure to give thanks.

Thank you.

My pleasure.

Okay, any other members of the council.

All right, seeing none.

Any members of the public have any comment to add on Miss Greeley's appointment to the district commission?

Uh seeing none, I would entertain a motion.

Motion to move favorable action on appointment.

Second.

All right, moved and seconded.

All in favor.

Aye.

Aye.

Welcome to the Historic District Commission.

Thank you very much.

Good luck.

Uh okay.

Next up, item one.

Uh, Mr.

Tyler Baum.

Uh, also to the Historic District Commission, Mr.

Baum, you here?

Why don't you just well you can give that one a try?

Is the light green?

Yeah, yeah.

Try this one, Mr.

Baum.

First test.

Hello, Council.

Good evening.

Thank you for joining us.

Uh, and thank you for stepping forward to be part of the district commission.

Why don't you I'll give you the floor.

Tell us a little bit about yourself and your interests.

Sure.

Um, so I am currently a practicing architect at DBVW Architects in Providence.

Um, I've been there for seven years, and before that, I was in Boston for five years.

Um, I have 13 years of architectural experience.

Um, I graduated from the University of Oregon with my Bachelor of Architects degree.

Um, I'm particularly excited about this appointment as I live in the Gaspy area and grew up in Edgewood.

Um, my father was a historic um architect himself who preserved historic colonial homes and barns.

So I grew up, you know, frequenting Patuxid Village and I have a long history of you know with the area.

So great.

I it's where meam, you know, where I decided to move from Boston and have my family.

So I it's very important for me to uphold the historic heritage of these special places.

Thank you so much.

There's so much uh history in this great city, and uh we appreciate the work that the district commission does to preserve it.

So thank you very much.

Uh members of the committee, any questions for Mr.

Baum?

Seeing none.

Uh members of the council.

Councilman Foley.

How are you doing?

Thank you.

I just if I read this right, you're from Ward 1 on Fair Street.

Yes.

Thank you for stepping up.

Always glad to have more members from my area to take part in these committees.

Thank you.

Thank you for coming forward.

My pleasure.

Uh any other members of the council.

Seeing none any members of the public.

Anything to add on Mr.

Baum's appointment.

Seeing none, I would entertain a motion.

Motion to move favorable action on appointment.

Second.

All in favor?

Aye.

All right, congratulations.

Welcome to the Historic District Commission.

Thank you.

Thank you.

We have one other item, Mr.

President.

Yes.

Okay.

So you want to do it now?

Yeah, might as well.

Okay.

All right, great.

We have one other item uh before the committee this evening.

This is PCR 565-26 sub A resolution establishing a task force to review, make recommendations regarding the modernization sustainability, economic development potential of the city's athletic and recreational fields.

Primary sponsor, Councilman Mudo.

Uh, what is your pleasure, sir?

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

Uh after speaking with um uh uh councilman knapper on the existing uh recreational panel.

We're going to pull this one and let you guys do the good work that needs to get done.

Okay.

Uh, do we have a motion to the withdrawal motion to motion to withdraw?

Okay.

Okay, all in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

Uh there being no further business before the committee, we will adjourn at 5 34.

Thank you all for being so accommodating.

We can go right back to finance now.

What did I steal?

Oh, your microphone.

Sorry.

It's not let the record indicate it is 5 35 p.m.

in the finance committee is back in order.

I want to thank everyone for indulging us um with this uh bit of a switch that we needed to do, and we will continue on.

I believe we left off on the telephony services.

We we completed the telephony uh um that's just a little humor.

Okay, network connectivity, citywide network found on page 41.

Phil Carlucci, IT director.

This is a request to award the existing portion of the city's network currently covered by Ocean to Ocean Inc.

in the amount of 118,000 eight ninety-five and twelve cents, covering the period July 1st, 2026 through June 30th, 2027.

Um, this is a piggyback off of the state's MPA um 308, which covers Ocean's services to most of the municipalities, state agencies, uh hospitals, and other nonprofits, schools and nonprofits.

This request is approximately one percent higher um than that last year's.

The reason is they've actually changed Ocean changed the way they charge their members.

Um this change was obviously very advantageous for the city.

Um it is kind of a co-op where we're buying our services because we're a municipality.

Their services are only available to nonprofits within the state of Rhode Island, some little bit of Massachusetts, mostly in Rhode Island.

Um so they came up and they started talking about how many circuits and came up with a complex little thing, and I asked what's the impact on the city?

They said, well, it probably saved you about seven or eight percent increase this year.

Uh and I said, Okay, I like that.

And uh we fully supported their change.

So uh their services, if you remember back just a few years ago, not to um certainly disparage Cox, but in the private sector, we were paying about 300 grand for the same service.

Actually, slower service uh was about 300,000 dollars in the private sector by switching um our fiber network, the backbone of the city's network, uh, over to Ocean.

We were able to save the city uh considerable dollars.

We have any questions from members of the committee.

Any questions from members of the council?

Any questions from members of the public?

Do we have any questions from members of the public?

was about 300,000 in the private sector by switching um our fiber network the backbone of the city's network uh over to ocean we were able to save the city uh considerable dollars we have any questions from members of the committee any questions from members of the council any questions from members of the public do we have any questions from members of the public thank you director thank you uh hearing none we will move on to item number five 2026 461 found on page 51 furniture and install carrier air cooled chillers good evening christy maretti public works we're requesting to have uh new air cooled chiller installed at the pilgrim senior center um this unit runs the air conditioning system uh it is being recommended to be awarded to Phalanx Engineering in the amount of 93,010 no cents um and this is one of the fiscal year 26 capital projects for that facility thank you christy um and i see in your presentation that this was originally in the capital budget for 150 000 correct correct and as you noted it's a reduction of or savings of 57 000 which is which is very good that is always good news um but i would also point out this is a perfect example of why i proposed some of the amendments that I did to the capital budget specifically for this type of thing any questions from members of the committee any questions from members of the council do we have any questions from members of the public are there any questions from members of the public hearing none um thank you for that christ and um we'll move on to item number six HVAC services for city owned buildings found on page 55 Christy Moretti again public works uh we are requesting to award a new bid for HVAC services for city owned buildings to Phalanx Engineering and Cam HBAC and construction in the amount of $80,000 for a one year period August 30 26 to August 29 27 christ what was the spend on this item for this fiscal year to date we spent $74,639 dollars and seventy one cents okay and as of today are you um pretty much up to date with whatever repairs and maintenance that is necessary we don't have anything outstanding at the moment but you know I mean tomorrow you could it's kind of like a car it could something could break right but the good news is right now today you're pretty well caught up yeah good okay thank you um any questions from members of the committee any questions from members of the council oh I'm sorry Councilman Ricks I can't see a light councilman because there are two colleagues between you and I so I got councilman knapper over here he's he's gonna be my guide thank you chairman so uh the pilgrim senior center being within ward two I was happy to see that this uh this bid from the documentation provided uh came in at less than anticipated and it's uh a warwick company that was selected as the lowest bidder if I'm reading it correctly right that was that was the last bid oh what am I what am I thinking uh thank you again uh Christy actually I do have one more um question I assume that um how do you pronounce that name the company Phalinx what is it phalanx yes um I assume they will have first choice given the fact that their rates are about ten dollars an hour less than that's that's uh standard practice for us and in anything that we do we always go with lowest and then you know secondary is good availability okay um thank you any questions from members of the public do we have any questions from members of the public hearing none we will move on to item number seven 2027 052 baraco barracuda backup maintenance good evening well uh found on page 59 Bill Carly G IT director uh this is a request to award the licensing support and maintenance for our Barracuda backup appliance and cloud subscription to visual visual edge IT in the amount of 7849 dollars and seventy uh cents visual edge is our currently assigned channel partner so barracuda does not sell directly um to customers they go through channel partners and they assign you a channel partner um we switched to visual edge a few years ago and saved a few dollars um

Uh, this is a request to award the licensing support and maintenance for our Barracuda backup appliance and cloud subscription to visual visual edge IT in the amount of 78,449 and 70 uh cents.

Visual Edge is our currently assigned channel partner.

So Barracuda does not sell directly to customers.

They go through channel partners and they assign you a channel partner.

Um we switched to Visual Edge a few years ago and saved a few dollars because we had a standing relationship with them.

Just a little explanation on what this is and how it compares to last year's cost.

We actually use the barracks.

We have Barracuda appliances per se, but in actuality, um it's a cloud service.

So we have two services.

Barracuda provides us all of our offsite storage, so all of our data files, everything in the city is backed up through the Barracuda appliance connector here to the cloud.

They also have our email archiving.

So every email that has ever been sent into the city or sent out of the city um is archived and retrievable through the art through the archive process through the interface to the cloud.

In the past, these have been two separate invoices that have come in.

Um I had asked them to uh make them coterminous, and they did.

So last year, we actually had spent $34,470 and 90 cents for the backup portion uh from Barracuda.

That's for a six month period.

When you extrapolate out six months to 12 months, there's hardly any of an increase um from last year to this year, and this will be our first full year where you actually have both the mail and the data backup uh on the same invoice on the same contract.

Um there was a larger jump previous year before that.

The rationale for that was once again, we were on prem.

We actually ran those um servers downstairs that did this service.

They switched to a mandatory cloud service.

That's when we migrated to that.

It certainly wasn't a double uh of price, but there was a slight up charge at that point in time.

Thank you for that, director.

I have to um defend myself on that mispronunciation of Barracuda.

So I had a flashback to my younger days when the vehicle, the automobile came out and it was the Barracuda, and we used to pronounce it Bacaruda.

So just for you not so old folks, understand what that happens.

I I understood it without having to be told, so I fit into the same category.

That's right.

Somebody can appreciate that, right?

Okay, any questions from members of the committee on either the Barracuda or the Bacaruda?

Questions from the council.

Any questions from members of the council?

Any questions from members of the public?

Do we have any questions from members of the public?

Hearing none, we'll move on to item number eight, 2026, 494.

Police uh purchase one Ford Police Interceptor found on page 64.

Good evening, council Robert Hart for the uh police department.

The police department is requesting a 5610 use of a master price agreement to purchase one Ford Police utility vehicle from a government MHQ or Marlboro Mass.

Under the Greater Boston Police Commission master price agreement cooperative bid, uh this patrol vehicle will be assigned to the patrol section of our fleet and be will be replacing a vehicle that was involved in a collision.

It was told by the insurance company.

Cost of the vehicles 59,410.44 cents.

It'll be funded through budget code 7635 insurance proceeds.

Thank you, Major.

And thank you for responding back so promptly with the questions I had asked about this.

And because I've I've always said that I want the members of the public to know the questions I ask and the answers I get.

I'm gonna read my questions into the record.

Uh again, I thank you for your response.

And um I've completely understand what this is going on now.

So, first question.

Um, I do not see any accounting showing the insurance proceeds received by the city for the total we've um included.

If we receive payments, when did the city get it?

Was the accident the police department's fault?

Was there a deductible applied to this claim?

What was the amount the insurance company paid the city?

Did the police department salvage lights, tires, sirens, etc.

from the total vehicle?

And your responses were um right there on all my questions.

First, the crash was the result of a DUI pursuit in which the suspect drove through a chain link fence gate and pursuit, and the gate came crashing down on the car, damaging the car being the police car, damaging the windshield frame, roof, etc.

Um, our insurance company paid this claim, but is still in negotiations to recoup the money from the suspect.

The total cruiser, the totaled cruiser was a 2024 with 18,000 miles.

The insurance company provided 51,558 dollars for the vehicle.

Approximately 12,000 of that was for the lights, etc.

Some of some of some of this got cut off, but um we have a standard deductible of 2500 per claim.

We will be reusing various lights, radars, console, prisoner cage, etc.

The salvage cost for the vehicle was eight thousand dollars, and the department elected not to keep the vehicle.

And I thank you for those answers, major, and how quickly you got back to me on that.

So with that said, I don't have um actually I do the salvage cost of eighty, eight hundred dollars.

How was that factored in?

And was that just assigned to the general fund or what?

I'm not following your question.

Can you uh elaborate on it?

The salvage cost for the vehicle was eighty, eight hundred dollars.

So if we wanted to buy the vehicle back from the insurance company, we'd have to pay the eighty eight hundred dollars.

Okay, got it.

Good.

Okay, I'm clear.

Any questions from members of the committee?

Councilman Napa.

Thank you, Major.

I didn't ask you this question in advance, but it just dawned on me when we were sitting here and discussing this.

The uh deductible that we paid out with the city paid out.

If the insurance company is successful with subrogation getting some money back from the perpetrator, does the city get reimbursed first their deductible?

You may not even know this, but have to check with finance on that.

I'm not positive on it just curiosity if the city gets paid first or the insurance company gets the first bite at the apple, and then we kind of get the leftovers.

Yeah, I'm not sure.

Okay, thank you, Major.

But the the city is um subrogating against the insurance company is okay.

Okay, any questions from councilman DLouise?

Thank you.

Um, yes, Major, so from what councilman Lattice has said that the insurance company paid 51,000?

Yes, 51,580-8.

So why are we requesting 59,000?

Shouldn't we be putting that 51 towards the new vehicle?

We're using that part of that money to pay for this, but the total cost of the vehicle is $59,000.

So that money so you you have $51, you only need another $9,000 to buy the vehicle, correct?

But we need the spending authority of a total of $59,000 to purchase it.

That $51,000 was put into the insurance proceeds account, but we need permission to spend the full amount, which is the $50,000.

Okay, so that's that's going in, but then it's gonna be coming out.

So it's not actually we're not actually spending another $59.

Correct.

No, okay, that's all.

Thank you.

Thank you, Councilman.

Any questions?

Any other questions from members of the council?

Any questions from members of the public?

Do we have any questions from members of the public?

Hearing none, uh, that completes our items over 50,000.

There are several items remaining under any members of the committee.

Have any items they want held aside?

You you have one, Councilman Mutal?

I do.

Okay.

Which one is yours?

Uh the 2026 462, the two coils at the Pilgrim Senior Center.

Uh 2026 490, the crowd control equipment.

And that's it.

Okay.

Um I have item number 11, 2027 043 found on page 86, street citywide striping.

And I have item number 14, 2027 038 B, found on page 9.

Medical supplies and medications.

Any members of the council have any items that you would like held aside?

Any members of the public?

Do any members of the public have any items that you would like to have held aside?

Hearing none, we will move on to the first request from Councilman Mudo.

It's item number nine, found on page 71.

Replace two fan coils at Pilgrim Center.

Hello.

Good evening.

Uh this more of a clarification question is that these fan coils uh would they be considered part of the same mechanism as the earlier bid for the air conditioning units or the air cooling?

So they're part of the they're part of the HVAC system in the building.

They're the previous item was for the air conditioning specifically.

These units actually are what disperse the heat and the air conditioning within the building to different areas.

Okay.

I understand two different parts, but it's will they be conducted.

Are they part of the same system?

Essentially, yes.

Yes.

Any reason why they weren't put into one bid?

Because there's there's multiple fan coils in the building, and they're they're not directly related to the chiller.

The chiller is the chiller.

The chiller only does air conditioning.

These units are that there's 12 of them in the building.

One's already been replaced.

We're doing two now, and then we'll do probably two whenever you know, for the next few years or whatever.

Um but these units are in different locations throughout the building, and they disperse whether it's heat or air conditioning.

So it's part of the HVAC system, but it's a separate unit.

Okay.

That makes sense.

Thank you.

Thank you, Councilman.

Thank you, Christy.

Um, I'd also point out that this item also is less than what was approved in the Capitol budget, 15,660.

And again, Christy, it's it's a good job for that savings, but just between those two items in less than two weeks.

Uh we've already realized 72,000 dollars of additional monies that were put in the capital budget.

Um that's all that I have.

Any other questions from members of the committee?

Any questions from members of the council?

Any questions from members of the public?

Do we have any questions from members of the public?

Hearing none, we will move on to the next item, item 11, 2027, 043, found on page 86, citywide street stripe.

So with this with this bid, does that include crosswalks?

No.

Okay.

Does that include um the road striping for the Gaspy Day Parade?

No.

Okay.

What does it include?

Um, it's just for city roadways that we do, usually um uh Sandy Lane, Church Avenue, um, Jefferson Boulevard, uh, city roadways that we have.

We either have the double yellow and the fog line on either side.

Um engineering provides a list to the vendor of roadways to be done.

Is it Jefferson Boulevard?

Isn't that a state it is not?

It's not.

Nope.

I think I asked that same question every year.

I just wanted to see if I remember see if everybody else remembers that's all.

Just wanted just checking that you all remember.

That was okay.

That was great self-control.

See, wasn't that good?

Uh-huh.

That was great self-control on her part.

Don't listen to him.

Um, okay, that was all my questions on that.

Any other questions from members of the committee?

Any questions from members of the council?

Any questions from members of the public?

Do we have any questions from members of the public?

Thank you, Christy.

Um moving on to all right.

Oh, actually, hold on.

I got to add one more in.

It's item number 12, 2026 491.

Found on page 91.

And I saw Major Hot just walking up to the mic, so he must have been anticipating that I was gonna have a question on that.

Uh Robert Hartford, the police department.

Council, which one do you want to start with first?

Which one do you want to start with first?

I'm sorry.

Which one do you want to start with first?

Um, so 2026 0414 91 marine craft service and repair.

That's on page, well, at least in our book on page 91.

So I had asked a few questions um regarding the um service and quality of et cetera of the current vendor, and you had indicated that the department has been very happy with the service, very happy with the quality.

Um, there are some other services that from time to time the department may need for the the vessels, such as uh some fiberglass work or some things that perhaps um our current vendor can't handle, which is why you're looking to add on uh some of these uh these other two vendors, correct?

Yes, sir.

Okay, and also um how many how many vehicles or vessels I should say do we have in the fleet now?

We have uh two 30-foot uh vessels, one 25 foot vessel, and a 16 foot um vessel that's on a trailer.

So for a total of four.

And are there any uh service issues with any of those vehicles now?

Uh the two 30 foot vessels are gonna need the annual um lube zincs, etc.

shortly.

Commissioning, basically.

Commissioning, yeah, okay.

Nothing anticipated, any um major items like heads or anything like that.

I don't believe so.

I know one motor is having some issues with RPMs, but that could be something as simple as as you know, a spark plug or coil pack or whatever, but needs to be checked on.

Sure.

Okay.

Okay.

Um thank you for that, and thank you for the answers again.

Um, and so promptly.

Any questions from members of the committee?

Any questions from members of the council?

Any questions from members of the public?

Do we have any questions from members of the public?

Hearing none, we will move on to next item, item number 13, 2026 490, found on page 95, crowd control equipment.

Councilman Mudo.

Hi, Major.

Uh, before I start with the questions, would you just mind approaching this like we would if it was a larger um a larger bid where you give the overview and the justification for it?

Sure.

So the department is using is seeking to use um our Jag Burn grant any amount of 15,835 and 44 cents to replace um antiquated gear that we have that is for crowd control, that is helmets, shields, uh elbow knee pads, uh suits like that.

Um, and just for routine, not routine, for extreme crowd control measures, whether in the city or if we were requested mutual aid to the city of Providence, um, things like that.

Great.

The um so the question first question is uh obviously this is replacing current uh current equipment that uh that you already have, and you're just upgrading.

Correct.

Okay, there's no enhancements, you're not adding anything besides the um replacement.

The only enhancements would be the elbow and knee protection, which is newer equipment that wasn't available.

We had our first stuff.

Great.

And you did mention one thing which was extremely important that we do have mutual aid in this in the state.

So we even though we are one of the safest cities, we also help out uh the rest of our state.

That's correct.

And part of the impetus for this is to replace the equipment, which is 20 something years old, but also with the the soccer tournaments coming in throughout New England.

Uh, many departments in Massachusetts, Rhode Island are planning in case there's any issues with extensive crowds to have this gear on hand.

The vendor we talked to is pretty confident that we could have this pretty pretty quick.

Great.

And just to emphasize, this is a grant from uh federal grant for this equipment.

A U.S.

Department of Justice, it's called the JAG Justice Assistance Grant uh burn, which is named after the police officer that was uh killed.

And the use of this grant is for this type of equipment.

It is.

There are several categories that it's uh that can be used for.

This is what uh we applied for on for this purpose.

It was approved by the grant office for this uh purpose.

Great.

Thank you for clarifying.

I appreciate it.

Thank you, Councilman.

Major, I just want to clarify again.

Um this is not a new line item for the police department.

This crowd control equipment.

No, we've had crowd control equipment for as long as I've been there.

And you are currently looking to replace equipment that has either worn out or gone away, uh, with the exception of a couple of new items.

Correct.

Worn out, uh well expired, past its uh its time.

This equipment's been there uh easily 20 years.

It's just time for a new stuff.

I see um the quantity is 12 each on all of these items, or at least most of them.

Um is that to indicate that there are 12 officers involved in this?

Or is there more?

Many officers receive basic training in it, but we have sent 12 people recently to enhance training.

Um so that it would essentially be these 12 people who would spread amongst the shifts who would be the ones to go first.

Okay.

And I know I had asked you late in the day today, and I didn't actually I had said I didn't need the answer tonight, but I wish um I look forward to you following up with me on the items that this JAG grant can be used for.

So just to elaborate on that, uh, there are not specific items, it's specific reasons, types of programs.

So I can give you a general idea of what things would encompass.

That'd be good.

Great.

Okay, thank you.

Any other council mew?

Just a follow-up.

Um as far as uh uh our officers being trained.

Um, again, it goes to mutual aid.

Uh, how often do we use our officers in these type of crowd control situations?

Uh thankfully, luckily, uh lately, not many not very often.

Uh a few years ago, there were several occasions almost every every week.

We were sending people into the Cranston Providence line into downtown Providence, uh to the Warwick Mall where we had to protect that.

Um, so that it's it's been used.

Okay.

Thank you.

Major, um, are we also obligated to assist at the airport?

Yes.

And crowd control?

We would probably be the first ones there for that.

Said that drone in first.

Does crowd control pertain to this council chamber as well?

From time to time.

I think that was a very appropriate question.

Okay.

Um that's all I have for now.

I think I won out my welcome.

Any other questions from members of the council?

Any questions from members of the public?

Are there any questions from members of the public?

Hearing none, we'll move on to the last item, item number 14, 2027 038B, medical supplies for police department found on page 99.

So if you could just give us an overview on that as well.

Gladly.

Um, so this is the same bid that the fire department had uh thankfully done all the work on for us.

Um what we generally purchase off of that bid are um smaller items, uh gloves, N95 masks, face shields, uh CPR supplies.

Uh this year we plan on purchasing new training mannequins, some more AEDs, some bigger things off the list, but generally all CPR uh related type of uh equipment and just uh personal protective equipment like gloves and masks and and face shields and such.

Major, those items or a portion thereof, are those are some of those items carried by the police officers who are on bicycle patrol?

Um they would carry gloves, they would carry CPR masks, um not uh a full realm of equipment, no.

Narcan, they would have narcine on their person, usually.

Okay.

Okay, I asked you two questions on this item also earlier.

What is the balance in the opioid account as of today?

Uh the response from you is 785, 841 dollars and ninety-two cents.

Correct.

I asked, can this account be used to purchase NACAN?

Your reply was we get our NOCAN through a law enforcement initiative from the Department of Health.

So this account is not associated with CPR supplies, face shield, and gloves that may be used to respond to an overdose um purchase.

So I wanted to read those records, those questions and answers so that the public is aware of that as well.

So thank you again, Major.

Any other questions from members of the committee?

Any questions from members of the council?

Do we have any questions from members of the public?

Are there any questions from members of the public?

Hearing none.

That completes our item.

I need a motion, please.

Motion favorable action.

We have a motion for favorable.

We have a second.

All those in favor?

Aye.

Thank you.

Finance committee is adjourned at 6 09 p.m.

Thank you, everyone.

And again, thank you for the indulgence on shifting gears.

I hope you're good.

Isn't it good?

Not from me.

Thank you.

First order of business here is PCO five-26 sub A, an ordinance amending section sixty-four-five of the code of ordinances relative to the compensation of other officials.

This was docketed by Councilman Gebhart uh for second passage tonight, Councilman Gebhard with pleasure.

I would um let's see.

The the next item before us, I think is gonna supersede this, but there were some changes uh that we did effectuate uh in five-26.

So I'd move, I would urge favorable action.

The city like to be heard, second.

Uh no, uh both Cynthia, uh Chief Staff.

Um to Councilman uh Gephott's point, the change um was to remove uh number seven, the personnel hearing board members, as uh the councilman mentioned.

Uh I believe the next item will address that um for second passage as well.

If there be no objection to hearing this out of order, we can skip down to number two as that seems to be more uh logical to pass first.

Any objection to hearing this docket out of order?

Okay, moving down to PCO eleven-26 sub A and ordinance amending the code of ordinances to eliminate the personnel hearing board and provide appeals to the city personnel director.

Um this is up for second passage.

We had to my recollection fairly extensive conversation and uh amendments to this the last time it was up.

Would the city like to add anything further relative to this item?

No, we're uh satisfied as as amended.

Any questions or comments from the members of this committee?

Questions or comments from the members of the council at large?

Questions or comments on item two?

Questions or comments from the members of the public?

Okay, seeing none, do I have a motion?

Move favorable action.

Second.

Aye.

Foro the motion passes on second passage.

Okay, back up to the top for number item number one, PCO five-26 sub A.

Uh no further comment by the administration desired.

Any comments by the committee?

Questions or comments, members of the council.

Questions or comments, members of the public.

Any questions or comments, members of the public?

Seeing none, do we have a motion on this item?

Move favorable action.

Second.

Motion to move favorable in a second.

All in favor.

Aye.

Four.

Oh motion passes.

Okay.

Last order of business is item number three, PCO three-26, an ordinance establishing a financial oversight commission.

This was documented by Councilman Mudo, co-sponsored by Councilman Latticer.

Um Councilman Mudo, since you are the primary sponsor, defer to you, my friend.

Uh thank you, Chairman.

Uh we're going to hold this till uh August 18th.

We have some additional work we'd like to like to do.

Is it 17th?

17th.

Any objection to holding this item to August 18th?

None at all.

Uh strike that August 17th.

No objections, seeing no objections, so held to August 17th.

And seeing no business in front of this committee, we are adjourned at 650.

Would the public safety committee please convene?

The public safety committee is uh is in session at 616.

Our first order of business is PCR sixty-two twenty-six, a resolution relative to a claim for Whedon.

Uh this is a claim that um was from a uh an incident uh with um the uh during an emergency call from the work fire department where uh Mr.

Whedon's property, the c uh the fire engine uh drove over the lawn um in this particular area.

The initial uh claim um uh was denied by the city of Warwick um on the basis that the fire departments uh um are not liable for property damage when it comes to emergencies.

Um the claimant is claiming uh nine hundred and fifty dollars worth of damage with a bid from Yachtworks.

Um the uh fire department has given an opinion uh as well as the city with the conditions of uh the streets.

I drove the through there myself.

The streets are a very narrow streets in the North Socket area.

And um I open it up for discussion.

Uh anyone on the committee would like to comment.

Councilman Latticer.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

I have a question for the chief.

Hi, Chief.

Um, so I'm kind of wrestling with this one a bit.

Um, and it's my concern is coming from liability.

When whether it be the police department or the fire department or whomever is responding to an emergency, and let's use this as an example.

They end up in an accident with another vehicle.

Is the city liable if they were at fault?

So uh I'm not an attorney, but there is state law that uh references um motorists need to.

I mean, this has nothing to do with a car, this is a piece of property.

No, I understand, but it's really related, but um motorists need to make way for emergency vehicles and in the operation of an emergency situation.

There are circumstances when a vehicle makes every effort to move in a city vehicle police fire uh apparatus does strike the vehicle, no matter how much they move out of the way, and there are circumstances where the city has paid the claim.

Um in this case, the I don't know the specifics of it other than it's a narrow road um in the North Socket area.

Um the fire truck was responding to a active uh emergency.

Um it's a narrow road.

Our apparatus are large.

Um the as far as I know, the fire department denied the claim in the operation of an emergency in accordance with state law.

The uh the city could have repaired it very easily, um, but the claimant had no interest in the city making the repairs like we do the plow repairs.

Um they took it upon themselves to go and again.

This is what I've heard.

Um I wasn't involved in the claim denial or the a processing, but this was the conversations that I've heard.

They weren't in there was a very tense back and forth between the claimant and the city.

Um is that tense back and forth?

Was that in writing, Chief?

Uh I don't know if it was in writing or over the phone.

I I don't I wasn't involved in it.

I've just that's what I've heard from the um both the fire chief um and um I'm not sure if I spoke to uh the claim processor uh Margie White, but I did see to the the fire chief this evening.

Now see that's to me is a very important piece of information.

If the property owner refused the city's offer to repair the damage, that's puts things in a different light to me.

Because that was my next question is so why didn't DPW just go over there and we can't just go on to private property.

If they told me we can't just go on to private property without their own.

No, no, no.

You so you already answered the question is that the property owner refused to allow the city to go over and repair the damage.

Um that's my question.

Was that in writing?

I I don't know the answer to that question.

I I spoke to the the fire chief this evening about it because I I had gone down to the site to look at it to see how bad the damage was.

When I went down there, it had already been repaired.

So I know the city didn't do it, so I'm assuming Yogworks did it.

Um and it's they basically put um some loom and seed on the in the tire tracks.

Yeah, I saw I saw a picture of it.

You know how many repairs we did with the snow damage and this the blizzard damage.

So um again, that's what I received uh information from the fire chief.

The other concern I have is um there was only one bid that the property owner didn't submit or provide three bids, right?

That's required.

I believe so, yes.

I I know for um tire um repair flat tires and things like that, they require three bids.

That's I believe that's chief state law for potholes.

I don't know about regular property claims.

I I would like to propose that um we hold this until you can confirm with the fire department whether or not the um claimant refused to allow the city to make those repairs.

Well, the claimant I thought the claimant was going to be here, that's why we held it again.

This is like the third time we've held it.

We've held this three times.

So I'm not sure why the claimant isn't here.

They could answer that question for us.

I'm done.

Thank you, Chief.

You're welcome.

Thank you.

Any other councilman Rex?

Thank you.

I would tend to agree with Councilman Latticer on this.

It does make a difference to me as well whether the claimant uh was offered uh to allow the city to repair the damage and uh what his reaction was to that, if he was going to allow it or not.

It raises some questions here too, because generally speaking the city is not liable where it is not negligent.

Unfortunately, accidents do happen.

Sometimes there's damage without anybody involved being negligent.

And here we just have a narrow street where it may well have been impossible, as stated by the city, impossible for the fire apparatus to make it through without going on to that lawn.

But that then raises some questions to me as well about the design of this, the planning of this made so many years ago, whether the city at a certain point has some responsibility on that, because it occurs to me that does this prevent effectively the constituent from using the front of their property as anyone would expect they that they would otherwise be able to say have a fence there, have boulders there.

Well, if those were there, that would obviously be a major problem for the fire apparatus to come through.

Granted, the city certainly has an easement, or rather, I would think I would expect that the city has an easement as to a certain portion of the land.

I haven't specifically looked into that as to this particular property.

Can't take anything for granted here.

But I mean, at a certain point, I think that uh one has to take a look at this as a situation of the city is ultimately responsible for the road itself, and if the city has constructed all of this such that it's effective, effectively having a taking every time that a fire apparatus needs to come through, well that has to be accounted for.

But simple way, simple analysis here is I would tend to agree with Councilman Laduser.

It would in it would impact my decision making here, whether or not the city offered for uh the city to come out and do the yard repair, and of course, whether the constituent accepted it or not.

My recollection is also that while the city uh requires three estimates or quotes for potholes.

Uh yeah, the city council doesn't have those strict requirements for other types of claims.

So that's uh that's how I see it.

I would be open to holding this just to get that additional piece of information, even though it has been held already.

But uh I would leave that to the rest of the committee's discretion.

Thank you.

Thank you, Councilman.

If I may, when there's a moment.

Once you go to the full council, you're still on committee.

So I'm trying.

Councilman Latticer.

Um thank you, Chairman.

Uh so uh thank you, Chairman, for and Chief, for reminding us that this item has been held three times already.

I want to confirm this has been held three times.

I don't know if it's three times, but it's at least once or twice.

I wouldn't have that information.

I believe it's at least twice.

Yeah, this would be the third time.

This will be the third time hearing it.

This is be the third, and each time the property owner was notified to attend.

Yes.

That's the protocol, correct?

Yes.

Okay.

And this property owner did not attend.

Obviously, he's not here, correct.

And nor was he in attendance at the last two meetings, right?

Uh just looking at my record here.

This is the first time that this appeal has been brought before us.

It's the first time the appeal has been brought before us.

Yes, I believe the appeal was filed a couple weeks ago.

It was docketed at the May 11th meeting and scheduled for hearing tonight.

Okay.

So claim.

No, I believe there were two two um Contreras and Wedon were were held were both on the same night.

Pretty sure that this is we need let's get this the story straight because it's gonna make a difference on whether I make a motion to hold or not.

What are we got?

I mean, I see the request from Mr.

Whedon on May 8th via email.

That he requested to hold.

To appeal.

Okay, was it docketed on the 11th and held?

It was to be docketed at Monday's meeting.

Monday from that date, which would be May 11th.

So then next meeting, I think after that was budgets, right?

Because 18th.

So it was docketed at May 11th for an appeal, or was it presented to us for a hearing on May 11th?

According if we go based on that email, it would have been docketed at the May 11th meeting, and then the next meeting after that was budget meeting, so we wouldn't have heard it then.

So yeah, I think I think we're mixing it up with the Contrayus.

Okay, I stand corrected.

I'm okay.

Thank you.

So I make a motion to hold this until the next meeting in June.

Um, Chief, um, I would ask that you um receive confirmation from the fire department regarding um the position that the property owner took.

Yep.

And um make sure that notice is provided to Mr.

Whedon for appearance at the June um 15th meeting.

I'd still like to chime in on this one with a moment.

And uh I apologize if I misinformed.

Excuse me, Mr.

President, did you have something else?

Yeah, so I just so to the part about the estimates.

So on the claims form, it does state a requirement to get the three estimates.

Correct.

I I don't I don't think councilman riks is wrong as far as we we can in theory approve it regardless.

And I know I'm pretty sure on on at least one occasion we have, because I think one situation there was like an emergency thing where the person had to get it fixed, it wasn't really an option.

This wasn't really that.

It was yes, it was property damage, but it was damaged to their lawn.

So as you obviously can choose to recommend a hold.

I get it.

Um just keep in mind that make sure you play it out that in theory, if we were going to improve it, it would approve it rather, it would be based on person got the very first estimate and just said yes.

So it could have been much cheaper for the if the city was gonna reimburse, and yet we're just stuck with the first one they went to because they chose not to get more and there was no explanation as far as oh, I couldn't get more, I had to time-wise, so just keep that in mind.

Doesn't mean you can't hold it to get the other answers you sought though, so I understand and I um don't disagree with your position as regarding one estimate versus three.

I'm not looking to establish a new precedence that we can approve with one as opposed to three.

I mean, the rule is the rule, right?

So um we we've entered decisions on it many times, other than for the sake of an emergency.

However, um this brings up to my opinion, this puts things in a different light because we have um an emergency vehicle responding to an emergency.

Um we have laws that speak to this.

We have property damage.

The city has offered to uh repair, make repairs to the property damage.

It is alleged that the property owner has refused to allow the city to do that.

I think it's important for us to um confirm that either that occurred or it didn't occur.

Yeah, no disagree.

And I think it's important that we establish that baseline going forward.

So if a homeowner uh or property owner chooses not to let the city do it other than for some unknown valid reason, then I think that puts things in a different light.

That's why I'm I'm moving to it.

Like I said, no disagreement with all the people.

I would more than happy to get some information from the fire chief.

I'm sorry, I'm more than happy to get information for the fire chief.

I'm just going by what he he and I talked about, understood, chief, understood.

But you know, so let's let's eliminate the the he said she said, let's get down to the nuts and bolts because I think it's important that um there's there's a basis set for when a situation like this occurs.

Right.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Uh just again, just to summarize to clear up any misinformation.

So this was originally docketed for uh May 11th, right?

May 11th.

And uh we held it to today, uh June 1st.

And uh we cur uh chairman uh the the record was that the um claimant appealed the denial on or about May 8th, I believe is what was testified to at the May 11th council meeting during our docket session, council president docketed this appeal per our uh ordinance uh addressing this process and the next meeting that it could occur because we had the budget week in between it resulted in this being its first appearance uh before us tonight.

Great.

Now thank you for that clarification.

I would just say uh before anyone jumps to the what to do about potential damages.

I would just say that um the the city has two other things to consider but uh from a legal perspective, uh but the one I would just highlight as along with what councilman Ricks was speaking of is that this is rooted in a negligence uh perspective, and that needs to have some recognition that the city breached some sort of duty that was the cause of the damages uh underlying it.

So before you get to what to do about that from a process side, you would you would still be trying to recognize that the city somehow um breached that duty, and in the context of emergency response, that is uh I would say a difficult bar to um identify.

But that is but that is a a finding that all of you need to consider as you decide at that later meeting.

So additional questions for you to ponder in the meantime.

Absolutely, and thank you.

Thank you so much to clarify the process there.

We want to make sure on the record we have that clear uh because we do go through a lot of these claims.

Uh you're right, there are other thresholds.

This was only one of those questions those thresholds, and uh right now we currently have a motion to hold in a second, but I'd like to go to the full council if there's any other comments.

Do you have a comment, Councilman?

Was the uh property owner what is he aware he would have to get three bids to repair it from the beginning?

Or did he ask to get one from Yachtworks?

So uh we got one Galsman.

As far as I know, he only submitted one from Yachtworks.

Was he aware that he should have gotten three?

Uh as the council president mentioned, it's on the bid um claim form.

They the claimant should get three bids.

Yeah, it's impossible to get two more bids now, which have been repaired, so that wouldn't be a true uh price to repair the job.

So it's gonna need more discussion.

Okay.

Anyone from the council?

Do we have anyone from the public that would like to speak in this matter?

Anyone from the public?

Okay.

But we have a motion to hold.

We have a second.

All in favor.

I second okay.

It's 4-0.

We'll hold until June 1st.

15th.

Is it 15th?

June 15th.

June 15th.

June June 15th is the next meeting.

Okay, I mean the first.

That's right.

We are on the first.

Okay, awesome.

All right.

Uh next item on the agenda is PCR 60-26.

A resolution in regards to installing stop signs at thank you.

Drive, it's almost as telephony, where it intersects with sweet fern road.

This is councilman Foley.

Would you uh like to give us an overview, please?

Yes, first a little history lesson.

I mean, I don't know.

Was the chief that sold portions of Warwick to Samuel Gorton?

I I found that out when I moved in to ward one.

And we have a traffic study that supports this stop sign.

Very good.

Thank you.

Any comments from the committee?

Any comments from the council?

Any discussion or comments from the public?

Any comments from the public?

Seeing none.

So I hear a motion.

Move.

Favorable action.

Second.

All in favor?

Aye.

All right.

Motion passes 4-0.

That concludes our business for the public safety committee.

And we end at 638.

Thank you.

Would the public properties please convene?

All right.

Yeah.

What was the address of that?

54 Preston.

Ward six.

Yep.

54 Preston Drive.

Let me know when we're all done right.

All right.

Oh good.

Okay.

Here we go.

The City Council Committee on Public Properties, Land Use, and Community Affairs comes to order at 6 39 p.m.

First up, we have PCO 9-26, an ordinance amending the zoning ordinances of the City of Warwick.

4332 Post Road LLC applicant.

The address is 4332 Post Road.

Assessors Plat 221 26.

This is Councilman Gebhard for second passage.

Do we have a recommendation?

Councilman Gabbard.

Request favorable action.

Favorable action is requested.

Any discussion?

Members of the committee.

Members of the council.

Questions?

Comments?

Members of the public.

This is for second passage.

Therefore, uh we can have a motion.

Move favorable action.

Move favorable action.

Do we have a second?

Second.

All in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Four zero.

Second.

This is also for second passage.

This is the council president on behalf of the mayor.

PCO 10-26.

An ordinance amending appendix A, zoning ordinance of the City of Warwick regarding voting thresholds for changes to historic district zones.

City of Warwick petitioner, citywide.

Council President.

Members of the committee.

Comment members of the council?

Comments, questions, members of the public.

Seeing none, do we have a motion?

Move favorable action.

We have a motion.

We have a second.

All in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

The ayes have it.

40.

Third up.

This is Council President Senapi.

PCO 15-26 and ordinance amending the zoning ordinances of the City of Warwick.

Colby Enterprises LLC.

Applicant 265 and 255 Centerville Road.

Assessors Plat 246.

Lots 260 and 261.

This is for second passage.

Council President, do you have a recommendation?

Request for favorable action.

Any question, comment, members of the committee?

Members of the council.

And questions, comments, members of the public.

Hearing none, do we have a motion?

Move favorable action.

We have a motion.

Do we have a second?

Second.

All in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Four zero.

And lastly, item number four.

This is also for second passage.

Council President Senapi is the lead sponsor.

This is PCO 18-25 sub A.

An ordinance amending appendix A zoning ordinance of the City of Warwick regarding the geographical areas where retail sales of marijuana and related to products can occur.

City of Warwick, petitioner, citywide.

Council President, do you have a recommendation?

Favorable action is requested.

Comments, questions, members of the committee.

Comments, questions, members of the council.

Comments, questions, members of the public.

Hearing none, I'll simply state that there was lengthy discussion of this last time.

I am not in favor of this as amended.

However, I will put it out there.

Do we have a motion for favorable action?

Move favorable action.

Do we have a second?

Second.

All in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

Nay.

This one is three to one.

Favorable action pass it.

There being no further business of this committee.

We adjourn at 644 p.m.

Next up is the full city council.

All right, the full city council will come to order at 645 p.m.

If the clerk could please call the roll.

Sorry.

Mr.

Snappy.

Mr.

Delouise, Mr.

Foley, Mr.

Gephardt, Mr.

Kirby, Mr.

Ladisar, Mr.

Mudo, Mr.

Napa, Mr.

Riggs.

Nine present.

Councilman Nappa could please lead us in the salute to the flag.

We're still gathering the stream.

And the wrong number singing.

Oh say that's our thing will be.

First up is general communications, announcements of congratulations, condolences, or community events.

Does anyone have anything for congratulations, condolences, or community events?

Councilman Foley.

A roof.

And I know a large contingent of the Warwick Fire Department went there for the funeral.

My own son, who is a Providence firefighter, also went up there.

I think Warwick sent a bus load, and Providence sent two bus loads.

It was an emotional ceremony.

And I just like a moment of silence for that firefighter.

Please have a moment of silence.

Does anyone else have anything for congratulations, condolences, or community events?

All right, seeing none, we move on to executive communications, for which there are none.

Next run to announcements of appointments for the Warwick Housing Authority, John B.

Juisty from Ward 9.

And Deborah Quirk from Ward 7.

For appointments requiring confirmation, we have the historic district commission.

This is intergovernmental.

Councilman Gephardt.

Yes, Council President.

There were two.

And actually, I apologize.

I gave my paper to the clerk.

That's right.

I think the first one is uh Tyler.

I want to say Baum.

Uh yes, committee recommended favorable action.

All right, and for action.

Oh, wait, this is the consent comes.

We can just go next one.

So then Caitlin Greeley.

Oh, not on consent.

Oh, I misspoke.

I apologize.

So yeah, for action, it would be ward one.

So councilman Foley.

Uh move favorable action on Tyler.

Second.

And we're doing both at the same time.

Nope.

All right.

So is any further discussion regarding the appointment of Tyler Baum?

Boom.

I keep messing it up.

All right.

And yeah, not on that one.

So it's motion before us for favorable action.

Uh clerk will please call the roll.

Mr.

Sinapi.

Yes.

Mr.

Deloues.

Yes.

Mr.

Bowley.

Yes.

Yes.

Mr.

Ladisa.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

All right.

And next is Caitlin Greeley.

So Councilman Gebhardt.

Uh, yes, the committee on this one also recommended favorable action.

So for action again, this is Councilman Foley.

Uh move favorable action.

Second.

All right.

Any further discussion on this?

All right.

Seeing none.

Clerk will please call the roll.

Mr.

Sinappe.

Yes.

Mr.

Delaware.

Yes.

Mr.

Bowling.

Yes.

Mr.

Carvey.

Yes.

Mr.

Ladisa.

Yes.

Mr.

Muano.

Yes.

Yes.

Nine yes appointment passes.

All right.

Now we're on the consent calendar.

PCR 67-26 resolution relative to bids.

This is finance, Councilman Lattisser.

Committee recommends favorable action on PCR 67-26.

For action, Councilman Latticer.

Move favorable action on PCR 67-26.

Second.

Any further discussion on this?

And there are no holdouts, uh no PCRs on this, Mr.

President.

All right.

Clerk will please call the rule.

Mr.

Snapping, Mr.

Dillouise.

Yes.

Mr.

Bowley.

Yes.

Mr.

Lattisar.

Yes.

Mr.

Muano.

Yes.

Mr.

Napa.

Yes.

Yes.

And yes, it's sent passage.

All right.

On to unfinished business.

PCO 5-26 sub A and ordinance amending section 64-5 of the code of ordinances relative to the compensation of other officials.

This would be second passage ordinance.

Committee recommended favorable action.

For action.

Motion to move favorable.

Second.

Second from Councilman Muto.

Any further discussion on this?

Seeing none.

Will the clerk please call the rule?

Mr.

Snappy.

Mr.

Delaware.

Yes.

Mr.

Bowley.

Yes.

Mr.

Carvey.

Yes.

Yes.

Mr.

Muta.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Nine yes motion passed.

Second passage.

Next is PCO 9-26.

An ordinance amending the zoning ordinances of the city of Warwick 432 Post Road LLC applicant 4332.

Post road assessors plat 221 lot 26.

This would be second passage.

Public properties.

So councilman Ricks.

Committee recommends favorable action.

For action.

I'll defer to Councilman Gebhardt if he wishes to make the motion.

Okay.

Move favorable action.

Second.

All right.

Any further discussion on this?

Seeing none, Clerk will please call the roll.

Mr.

Snappy.

Mr.

Bowling.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

90 seconds.

Next is PCO 10-26.

An ordinance amending appendix A zoning ordinance of the City of Warwick regarding voting thresholds for changes to historic district zones.

City of Warwick petitioner citywide.

This would be second passage.

Public properties.

Committee recommends favorable action.

For action.

Move favorable action.

Second.

All right.

Motion made a second.

Any further discussion on this?

See none, clerk will please call the roll.

Mr.

Sinapi.

Mr.

Delaware's bowling.

Yes.

Yes.

Mr.

Laddis.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Mr.

Ray.

Yes.

Yes.

This would be ordinance, second passage, councilman Napa committee recommended favorable action for action, motion move favorable second any further discussion on this councilman Lattice.

Yes, thank you, Mr.

President.

Um since we last voted on this or voted on first passage, which at the time I did vote in the affirmative.

I have given this um more thought, and I will not be voting in favor of this on second passage.

I um I feel that this just gives um much more power to the mayor than um needs to be.

So for that reason, I will be voting no understood.

Any further discussion on this seeing none clerk will please call the roll.

Mr.

Snapping, yes, Mr.

Delawise, yes, Mr.

Foley, yes, Mr.

Gepot, yes, Mr.

Kerby, yes, Mr.

Ladisa, no, Mr.

Muito, yes, Mr.

Napa, yes, Mr.

Riggs.

No 7 2 motion passes.

So next is PCO 15-26, an ordinance amending the zoning ordinance of the city of Warwick, Colbia Enterprises LLC, applicant 265 and 255 son of a road assessors plat 246 lots 260 and 261.

This would be second passage, public properties, councilman rigs.

Committee recommends favorable action for action move favorable action.

Any further discussion on this?

All right, seeing non clerk will please call the rule.

Mr.

Sinapping, yes, Mr.

Delaware, yes, Mr.

Foley, yes, Mr.

Gepard, Mr.

Carvey, yes, Mr.

Mule, yes, yes, yes, yes, second.

Next is PCO 18-25 sub A.

An ordinance amending appendix A zoning ordinance of the city of work regarding the geographical areas where retail sales of marijuana and related products can occur.

City of work petitioners citywide.

This would be second passage public properties.

So councilman Riggs committee recommends favorable action for action.

I'll defer to someone who favors it.

Move favorable action.

Is there a second seconded by councilman Lattice?

All right.

Any further discussion on this?

Councilman Ricks.

I'd just like to uh reiterate for the record.

I'll try to be brief.

Famous last words.

Oh one moment, I'll borrow a mic.

Ah, here we go.

The mic seems to be working again.

Thank you.

Okay.

So a few famous last words.

I'll try to be brief.

The sub A as uh proposed is contrary to the item that uh was recommended by the planning board.

I don't think that this uh is actually necessary.

And for those reasons and the reasons that I stated in more detail earlier at the first passage, I'm going to be uh voting against this item.

That's all.

Thank you.

To his credit, that was in fact brief.

Any further discussion?

All right, if not, clerk will please call the roll.

Mr.

Snapping, yes, Mr.

D'Allah, yes, Mr.

Poley, yes, to get pot.

Yes, Mr.

Carby, yes, Mr.

Ladisa, yes, Mr.

Muito, yes, Mr.

Napa, yes, Mr.

Riggs.

No.

Second passage.

All right, next we have PCO3-26, an ordinance establishing a financial oversight commission.

My understanding is that the recommendation is to hold till August 17th.

That is correct.

Is there any objection to that?

All right, seeing none, so help.

Next, we have PCR 5-26 sub A, a resolution establishing a task force to review and make recommendations regarding the modernization sustainability and economic development potential of the city's athletic and recreational facilities.

This is intergovernmental.

Uh councilman Gippa.

The sponsor requests this be with with the drawn.

All right, so for action.

Uh move to withdraw.

Second.

Any further discussion on this?

Seeing none, clerk will please call the rule.

Mr.

Snapping, Mr.

Delawise, Mr.

Foley, Mr.

Gepaught, yes.

Yes.

Mr.

Ladissa.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Next is PCR 62-26 resolution relative to the claim for Wheedon.

My understanding is that the recommendation is to hold this until June 15th.

Is there any objection to that?

All right, seeing none so help.

Next we have new business, PCR 60-26, a resolution in regards to installing stop signs at my phone.

Jeez, I yeah, I'm glad you said it.

Drive where intersects sweet fern road.

This says public safety.

Move for favorable action.

Motion made there's a second.

Second.

Any further discussion?

Seeing none, clerk will please call the roll.

Mr.

Snapping?

Yes.

Mr.

Delouise.

Yes.

Mr.

Foley.

Yes.

Yes.

Mr.

Latisa.

Yes.

Mr.

Mudo.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

And yes, motion.

All right.

We're on to unanimous consent.

Does anyone have anything for unanimous consent?

Seeing none.

Since there's no further business in front of this honorable.

Is there a second?

Second.

All in favor.

All opposed.

Any abstentions?

All right.

So the docket session we go.

Ward one.

Ward two.

Two items.

First, a resolution regarding stop signs on the Bly Street.

Any other one?

A traffic study is pending.

And what was the other one?

The second is a resolution in observance of pride month.

Already.

And then ward three.

Someone jab ward three.

Anything?

All right.

Ward four.

Ward five.

Pass.

Ward six.

Ward seven.

Do you have anything, Councilman Kirby?

Pass.

Ward nine?

Yes.

And then I just have one uh resolution of the state traffic commission regarding Greenwich Avenue.

The last one was the state DOT, I suppose the State Traffic Commission.

All right.

And that's all.

We are adjourning at exactly 7 p.m., which is some sort of record.

This is a record.

What am I doing?