0:16I'm calling to order this meeting.
0:18This is an additional meeting of the committee of the whole of the Council of the District of Columbia.
0:22We will have a legislative meeting today, our regular legislative meeting for the first Tuesday of the month of May.
0:28But we are having an additional meeting of the committee of the whole first.
0:33And uh I will note that uh today is Tuesday, May 5th, 2026.
0:37The time is 1243 in the afternoon.
0:39We are in room 500 of the council chambers of the Johnny Wilson Building.
0:43I'm Phil Mendelssohn, Chair of the Council and Chair of the Committee of the Whole.
0:47At this committee of the whole meeting, there are five measures on the agenda for markup in the committee of the whole.
0:54We'll see how we get through those.
0:56And then there are roughly nine measures that came out of other committees that will go to the committee of the whole so that they can get on the legislative meeting agenda for today.
1:07We begin our committee of the home meetings figuring out whether we have a majority of members present.
1:12Stone, would you call the roll?
1:14Chairman Mendelssohn.
1:20Councilmember Crawford?
1:22Councilmember Felder.
1:25Councilmember Felder.
1:28Councilmember Fruman?
1:30Councilmember Henderson.
1:32Councilmember Lewis George?
1:34Councilmember Nadeau.
1:37Councilmember Parker.
1:39Councilmember Parker.
1:46Councilmember Robert White.
1:48Councilmember Trayon White.
1:50Chairman, you have a quorum.
1:55The first measure for markup in the committee of the whole is Bill 26-57 entitled Motor Vehicle Insurance Modernization Act of 2026.
2:05This bill 26-57 was introduced on January 13th by me.
2:12It was a reintroduction from last council period.
2:15The bill would increase the mandatory minimum motor vehicle insurance requirements for bodily injury, liability, property damage liability, and third-party liability coverage.
2:26These requirements were last updated 40 years ago.
2:30That is, they were last updated in 1986.
2:33The new requirements are largely identical to Virginia.
2:38Bill 26-57 also would require insurers to provide enhanced underinsured motor vehicle coverage under a passenger vehicle liability insurance policy, which an insured may choose to opt out of.
2:52Last, the bill would increase the mandatory minimum motor vehicle insurance requirements for bodily injury liability, property damage liability, and third-party liability coverage by a set increment for each classification beginning on January 1st, 2037, and on January 1st, every 10 years thereafter.
3:10I want to stress before I read further from the report, we have looked closely at our neighboring states, and where we are with this bill would put us the same as where Virginia is and has been for a couple of years.
3:25And also again emphasize that it's been a long time since these mandatory minimum insurance requirements were updated.
3:33The district's current motor vehicle insurance minimum statute is almost 40 years old.
3:37It was last updated in March 1986.
3:42According to a study conducted by the Hertz Corporation, the average cost of a new car ranged from 10,400 to 12,700.
3:53As of early 2026, according to Cox Automotive, uh estimates of the average cost of a new vehicle as $49,300.
4:05Just as the cost of motor vehicles has risen exponentially over the last 40 years, so too has the cost of maintaining and repairing those vehicles, as well as the cost associated with, unfortunately, the harm those vehicles can cause, including medical insurance premiums and hospital emergency room bills.
4:22I believe I saw a statistic that because the cost of new cars is so much higher today, something like uh 20 percent of all um vehicle accidents result in a car being totaled.
4:35That is that the policy is less than the uh value of the car because of the inflation of car values.
4:43In a vehicle collision, a person may be injured and might need medical care, time off from work to recover, and more.
4:50All the components of this recovery cost much more today than in 1986.
4:55Yet the same 25,000, $50,000 minimum insurance policy applies today.
5:01In 1986, this minimum coverage was adequate to cover the injury and damage caused in most vehicle accidents.
5:07However, the current value of $25,000 from 1986 is $75,000 in March 2026, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics.
5:18And the current value of medical care is well over 117,000.
5:23It is clear that the minimum coverage is not keeping pace with consumer price index, nor the actual cost of medical services.
5:32Bill 26-57 also requires carriers to include enhanced underinsured motorist coverage, that is EUIM, enhanced uninsured motorist coverage, and all new and renewal policies in the district.
5:46The bill also provides that consumers may opt out of this EUIM coverage if they choose.
5:52The advantage of uh EUIM policy is that it has the potential to maximize a given victim's recovery because it enables the uh victim to stack uh coverage.
6:07That is uh and UIM uninsured underinsured motorist, not enhanced, but underinsured, does not allow for stacking.
6:16This legislation had a public hearing uh on December 18th, 2024.
6:22Uh the bill was reintroduced on January 13, 2025.
6:27It was re-referred from the Committee on Um Business and Economic Development in January, January 6th.
6:36And the um and I'm today I am moving the uh print for markup for approval.
6:43So I moved the print.
6:45Uh I do want to make an oral amendment to the print that on pages one and six to strike the date January 1st, 2029, wherever it appears, and insert the date January 1st, 2037 in its place.
6:59So the what I circulated yesterday would have the increase in the coverage.
7:05So it's like an inflationary adjustment every 10 years.
7:08It would have had it start in 2029, and with this amendment, which is part of my motion, it will start um on January 1st, 2037.
7:19I will also note Yes, I said that's on both pages one and six.
7:25Um what was I going to say?
7:29Uh no, I don't remember.
7:30Um that's part of um what I am moving.
7:35What I was also going to say is that uh to allow time for implementation, the uh new rates would go into effect, I believe it's October 1st, 2027.
7:45I move the print with that change in the date.
7:50Councilmember Tranwright.
7:52Uh thank you, Chairman.
7:53I understand the intent of this bill.
7:55I do want to note that we are considering this bill during the budget season where we have highlighted awareness of the district's affordability problems and dispersing uh safety nets that we are losing each and every day according to our potential budget.
8:09Uh every dollar in DC residents' pockets increases value and is getting more scarce, especially for our working class and low-income residents in D.C.
8:18motor vehicle insurance premiums are already high.
8:22In fact, they are most amongst the highest in the nation, frequently ranking top five and most expensive jurisdictions, jurisdictions.
8:29Um district has too many drivers who are uninsured.
8:33DC has one of the highest uninsured driver rates in the United States, ranking among the top three to five worst jurisdictions nationwide, with nearly 95 percent of drivers without insurance.
8:44Beyond that, I do want to note that based on the ratio equity impact assessment given by the Council Office of Ratio Equity, um, black drivers are more likely to pay higher car insurance rates than white drivers, even with both drivers having the same exact driving conduct and same insurance policy due to insurance providers using non-driving criteria to calculate insurance premiums.
9:06I watched something on social media the other day where a guy was moved to DC from California, I believe, and he was talking about how his insurance had risen just because he moved to D.C.
9:18Um I guess I have a few questions, Chairman, but beyond that, many residents are struggling with the rising cost of living, including food costs, utility calls, transportation costs, and also housing costs.
9:29I am just trying to figure out what the healthy balance is for this bill as it relates to those drivers in D.C., because we create more and more laws that make D.C.
9:37more unaffordable each and every day.
9:39Uh well, let me just note, Councilmember, that the um RIA, the racial equity impact analysis said that um the uh bill will likely improve out-of-pocket cost outcomes for black residents, indigenous residents, and residents of color who maintain EUIM coverage.
10:00So I I think you selected some aspect of it, but uh I would say that the racial equity impact analysis was much more positive than what you just said.
10:10You said you had some questions?
10:13Um I understand this bill would increase coverage levels.
10:17Is it accurate to say that a bill would more than double district's mandatory minimum of auto liability coverage?
10:23And was there any consideration given to a more gradual increase?
10:27Um it absolutely increases the um minimum requirements.
10:32That is what I explained when I presented the bill.
10:35Uh the um the current uh mandatory minimums which are uh were adopted in 1986 are 25,000 uh for any one person and 50,000 for all persons injured and $10,000 for property damage.
10:53That includes the car, and with this bill it would go to $5120 for property damage.
10:59If there's no objection, uh more time for the council member.
11:04I was asking, is there consideration for more gradual increase?
11:07Uh yes, we did look at that.
11:09Um but this this bill is 40 years late.
11:15So you you looked at it, but you didn't decide to go with these numbers to fix it.
11:19These numbers are identical to Virginia.
11:21Uh North Carolina as well, as well as several other states.
11:25I have another question, Chairman.
11:27Uh I do want to note that um uh research that was done by the uh American Association for Justice found that um the um premium increases, there will always be premium increases.
11:39The premium increases in states that have increased their mandatory minimums have typically been smaller than what the national average increase is in premiums.
11:51And also the research says that uh the states where they have increased their mandatory minimums, there's no evidence of increases in the number of uninsured drivers.
12:01Uh other discussion on this bill?
12:03Chairman, I don't have any more time.
12:05I want to claim some of my topics.
12:07Uh yes, if there is no objection.
12:11Uh the committee report states that studies considering relevant activities in several states have refuted the claim that this bill will increase premiums.
12:18Different from what the RIA states, that research on the impacts of raising minimum insurance requirements on the cost of insurance is limited and mixed.
12:30Nevertheless, it is reported that Wisconsin similarly doubled its insurance coverage requirement as a result, Wisconsin liability insurance premium premiums rose 9.9 percent in 2010 and one versus the 1.9 percent nationwide.
12:44Um regarding the research on the impacts of raising minimum insurance requirements or the cost of insurance, the RIA states that for states with a premium increase, many range from less than 1 percent to up to 5 percent, which one state experiencing a 10 percent increase.
13:00What in this bill keeps D DC from having a similar, if not more expensive rise to the premium cost that this bill is proposing?
13:07I am sorry, say the last part again.
13:10Um what in this bill keep D.C.
13:12from facing very similar rises in costs at the as a result of this bill.
13:17Well, I had seen what you mentioned about Wisconsin 15 years ago, and I would note that was 15 years ago.
13:23Again, looking at this analysis by the American Association for Justice, the average annualized percentage change after raising minimums in states that raise minimums was about 4.43 percent.
13:37And countrywide wide, the increase in rate was higher.
13:40It was about 4.61 percent.
13:42So I know that it is a talking point for the industry against uh the states with that are can have done this, that uh premiums are going to go up.
13:51Uh premiums do go up, but um the research doesn't show that they will go up more than what the uh general average is.
14:00This is according to the RIA about 30 percent of drivers are automatically have their coverage increase if this bill will pass.
14:07And so I am concerned about this bill, Chairman.
14:10Um, we don't know what the effect will be on premiums, except that we know the premiums go up every year, that the major factor affecting premiums is what the accident rate is in the jurisdiction that the insurance is covering.
14:23So that's a more important factor.
14:26But again, I look at this as a consumer protection matter, and that is that there are a whole lot of people who are driving around in the district with uh inadequate insurance coverage because of the fact that our mandatory minimums have not gone up since 1986.
14:42So you could have bought a car for 12,000 in 1986, and today you would pay close to $50,000 for that car.
14:49But the property damage coverage for your car would be only uh $10,000.
14:54I think that's what I said it was.
14:58Uh barely, I mean, not even keeping up with what the cost is.
15:01So then that's why so many cars are totaled.
15:03And when I say totaled, I mean that the um insurance company just simply takes the car, gives the maximum coverage, and uh then you have to figure out how you're gonna afford to pay for a new car or a new used car, because the rates have not kept up.
15:18That's very, in my view, very um unfriendly to consumers.
15:23Yes, Councilmember Lewis Straight.
15:26Oh, it was Henderson first.
15:27Uh Councilmember Henderson.
15:29Um thank you, uh Mr.
15:32Um, as the chair of the Committee on Health, I'm very well aware of the increasing costs of medical bills and how these costs can impact and um an automobile accident victim's life.
15:44Um I believe it's vitally important for victims to have meaningfully amounts of insurance coverage, um, which covers both medical bills and also times off.
15:53But I have heard from some residents similar in the same vein as Councilmember Traon White around um concerns about the increasing coverage minimums we'll have on insurance premiums.
16:03Um I think you might have noted this in your statement, but it certainly was mentioned, I think in the committee report that DC would not be the only one who has sort of made this adjustment.
16:11However, when our neighboring jurisdictions um increase their coverage, it was gradually phased in over time.
16:21And I'm curious why um the committee decided not to go that route because it's been 40 years.
16:31So Virginia increased um, I think their rates were what our rates are, and they increased in two steps in 2021 and 2025.
16:40So where we would be with this bill is where Virginia has been for two years.
16:45North Carolina, I believe, did one phase, not incremental, and I think they did that a couple years ago.
16:52So where we would be is where North Carolina is, and as I said, there are several other states.
16:58I mean, uh I view this as catching up.
17:00I don't view this as phasing in.
17:02I hear you in terms of us needing to quote unquote catch up, but the impacts of a large increase at one time could be felt in a different way.
17:14That's all I that's why I'm asking.
17:15Yes, did we consider the phase in approach, recognizing that yes, it would be a change, um, especially since there wasn't, or at least I didn't see any sort of data that suggested what the estimate might be in terms of the premium increase to um a vehicle owner.
17:36Um so I I get the concern.
17:40Uh again, I'm looking at this report from the American Association for Justice and reading from it, despite the clear mismatch between legal minimums and real costs, raising coverage levels has often been met with warnings that premiums will soar or that more drivers will go uninsured.
17:56The evidence tells a different story.
17:58States that have updated their minimum limits in recent years have seen only modest premium adjustments, typically smaller than national averages.
18:06Yes, but in the jurisdictions that have recently done it, they've done it phase.
18:10That's all I'm asking.
18:11Not all of them have done it in phase.
18:13Now, if you want, we certainly can talk about it between first and second reading.
18:18Um in terms of so normally when we make changes on other insurance um products, we provide a ramp up before it has to be law and enacted.
18:33Yes, this doesn't become applicable until January, October 1st, 2027.
18:38So that's more than a year from now.
18:41And then the incremental adjust this adjustments would start 10 years after that.
18:46So that we wouldn't have this ramp up issue anymore.
18:49Ten years after 2027.
18:51So 2037, and I hesitate to say the years after that, but 2047, 2057, 2067.
18:59I understand how math works.
19:02I just had to feel the pain.
19:05Um further on the bill.
19:08Uh we have the print before us.
19:10I have one short comment.
19:12Uh Councilmember Crawford.
19:15I worked on this bill in committee, and I believe you and your team seriously considered the feedback of the DC Insurance Federation, Disby, and the Trial Lawyers Association.
19:26As you noted, the statute hasn't been updated since 1986, and that's actually before a lot of us on the dais were born.
19:34So it's really important that we ensure that we are providing adequate protection to consumers.
19:39That wasn't a shot, but I just want to.
19:43But I just I just want to name that.
19:46I just want to name that that is why this bill is so important.
19:52I actually, while some people are amused, I think you make the point in a very good way, which is that it 40 years is a long time.
20:03We have the print before us.
20:05Uh again, with that one change uh that the uh first increment is in 20 uh 37.
20:13All those in favor say aye.
20:16Are there any opposed?
20:18Uh Councilmember Tran White will be recorded as no.
20:23Um I will move the report with leave for staff to make technical conforming and editorial changes.
20:28Is there a discussion?
20:32On the report, all those in favor say aye.
20:36Are there any opposed?
20:38Councilmember Tran White will be recorded as voting no.
20:47Madam General Council, is the measure legally and technically sufficient for our consideration?
20:52Uh, Madam Secretary, is the record complete?
20:55Once the report and hearing our hearing record has not been filed.
21:02I think that's what you said.
21:04Actually, I have to correct myself.
21:06It was filed for the Council Period 24 bill.
21:09So once the report is filed.
21:13Uh and uh, Madam Budget Director, does the measure's fiscal impact statement comply with council requirements?
21:18Is there a fiscal impact?
21:20Uh this measure will be placed.
21:27Well, Councilmember Tran White voted no.
21:29So this will be placed on the uh non nonconsent agenda.
21:33Actually, it's on the printed agenda under consent, but it will be treated as nonconsent for today's legislative meeting.
21:41The um next three measures Greens Court, Harmony Park, and Rodney Wright.
21:47Um, we do not have fiscal impact statements.
21:50I learned that this morning, so I will not be moving those three.
21:58The fifth measure is uh PR 26 567, entitled Zoning Commission Anthony Hood confirmation resolution of 2026.
22:10This the purpose of PR 26 567 is to confirm the mayor or mayor's nomination of Anthony Hood for reappointment as a member of the zoning commission.
22:26The zoning commission is an independent, quasi-judicial, quasi-legislative body established by Congress in 1920.
22:33The District of Columbia was one of the first jurisdictions in the United States to develop a comprehensive zoning ordinance after New York City.
22:41Under the twenty 1920 zoning act, the zoning commission was authorized to divide the city into districts or zones to regulate land usage.
22:49This consisted of three specific categories of zoning, building heights within zones, use districts such as residential, commercial, and industrial, and lot occupancy.
23:00The zoning code was amended by the zoning act of 1938.
23:05Uh there was another significant change with the reorganization act in 1967.
23:11In 1990, the Council adopted the Office of Zoning Independence Act, creating the Office of Zoning as an independent agency.
23:20The zoning commission has exclusive jurisdiction over all matters concerning zoning in the district.
23:25Although there is a separate Board of Zoning Adjustment on which a rotating member of the zoning commission sits.
23:43These include planned unit developments and campus plans of colleges and universities.
23:48The zoning commission is responsible for implementing the land use element of the comprehensive plan, a plan that is proposed by the mayor and adopted by the council.
23:56Anthony Hood currently serves as chairman of the zoning commission.
23:59He's a native Washingtonian and a Ward 5 resident.
24:03He has over nearly three decades of public service and leadership on the zoning commission, spanning multiple mayoral nominations.
24:10He's played a central role in shaping the district's modern zoning framework through the first comprehensive rewrite and modernization of the zoning regulations in more than 60 years, as well as implementation of the district's inclusionary zoning policy and subsequent expansions designed to increase the production and distribution of affordable housing.
24:28He has contributed to the approval of numerous projects incorporating significant affordable housing, including developments with deep affordability levels, senior housing and family-sized units, while also supporting the creation of specialized zoning districts and long-range planning efforts across the district.
24:45Throughout his tenure, Anthony Hood has emphasized a deliberative and transparent decision-making process grounded in the comprehensive plan, the zoning regulations, and the evidentiary record.
25:00He has underscored the importance of balancing growth, equity, and neighborhood impacts within the framework established by law, and has encouraged projects that incorporate meaningful and community benefits while advancing district wide housing and planning goals.
25:11His experience also reflects a sustained focus on equity and community engagement and zoning decisions.
25:17There's no objection, I'm almost done.
25:20He has supported integrating racial equity considerations into the commission's review process, including encouraging the use of racial equity impact analyses to work and working with partner agencies to strengthen public engagement and outreach.
25:33He's also advocated for continued evaluation and refinement of these tools to ensure that they meaningfully inform decision making and reflect community needs.
25:43Anthony Hood has demonstrated a longstanding commitment to community service, having served for two decades as president of the Woodridge Civic Association.
25:51He's also served on the Ward 5 redistricting committee.
25:54He remains active in civic and neighborhood organizations.
25:57In addition, he serves on the board of the Stoddard Baptist Home and is a lifelong member and deacon of the Greater First Baptist Church of Washington, D.C.
26:06His extensive experience demonstrated commitment to public service and leadership support is continued service on the commission.
26:14The resolution PR 26 567 was introduced at the request of the mayor in March 6, 2026.
26:34Verissa Narouzi testified in support.
26:37Calvin Hawkins, a former Prince George's County Council Chair testified in support.
26:42Ra Amin and ANC Commissioner testified in support.
26:46Gloria Hightower testified in support.
26:54I move the print and report with leave for staff to make technical conforming and editorial changes.
27:02Is there discussion?
27:05Councilmember Parker.
27:08I wanted to offer my support for this nomination.
27:13There's been a lot of discussion around zoning and housing as of late.
27:17And I was struck by several things in the hearing that you held on the nomination.
27:21One, as you mentioned, in those who are supporting the nomination, Parisa Naru Rosie of Empowered DC, I thought stood out the most.
27:31She testified how she originally opposed Mr.
27:34Hood's nomination, but because of the work he's led around equity and how he's engaged her and others in the community, she is now supportive.
27:43She did acknowledge that there are still shortcomings, but also acknowledge that it is above the zoning commission.
27:51And that I think those are some of the conversations that are playing out.
27:54So I think the work that he's done to win over detractors is noteworthy.
28:00Two, I appreciated his response to the philosophical question I presented, which was speaking to this tension between buyright development and engaging the community.
28:14There are some neighbors that feel as though there's a tendency for us to engage in more by right development.
28:21And I appreciated how he leaned in on equity and the fact that we need to expand more housing and do more to speed up that process.
28:30Even if at times that is opposed by neighbors in a certain part of the city.
28:40And then lastly, I would just say, you know, on the topic of housing.
28:45Um this is not uh a dig on Mr.
28:49Hood, but I do want the zoning commission to implement a more serious equity framework.
28:57I appreciate the focus.
28:58I appreciate the dialogue.
29:00Uh but what I got from the hearing and what I've heard from others is that oftentimes that focus on equity is more superficial or symbolic than actually having teeth.
29:11All that together, uh, I believe we should, as a body, move forward with this nomination.
29:17Uh, and I am enthusiastically uh supporting uh while also working with the Office of Planning and other entities uh to address the flum and address our housing shortage in the ways that we need to do as a city.
29:35Uh Councilmember Nidau.
29:37I just want to thank you for answering my questions about the zoning commission earlier today, and I look forward to seeing how the commission moves forward in the coming years with some of the challenges our city faces.
29:51Councilmember Pinto.
29:54I also want to speak in support of Mr.
29:56Hood and appreciate all of the work that he has done leading the zoning commission.
30:01I think it's actually pretty incredible how many roads lead to the zoning commission for things that we're trying to advance in our city around housing, around the ways people work, around how we manage space and uh help people move around the city.
30:17Um so as we plan for the future of our city, the import of the zoning commission will continue to be really at the front, and I appreciate all the work Mr.
30:27Hood has done to lead that effort.
30:29Um there are several housing bills that we have contemplated moving that we can't legislate around because they really are zoning commission issues, um, like around encouraging more co-living spaces, for instance, or the allowance of building co-living spaces.
30:48And so as we continue to explore ways to build more housing and build more affordable housing and allow for unique types of housing.
30:55I know the zoning commission will continue to be an excellent partner on thinking about getting all of these balances right.
31:02And so I'm eager to support his nomination today and thank Mr.
31:06Hood for his service and look forward to continuing to all work together on those shared goals around housing.
31:14Councilmember Bonds.
31:17I'll make this very quick.
31:19Um I too am joining my colleagues in support of this nomination.
31:26Hood has um had a very trying task over the years, and I find him to be very balanced and sometimes it's very difficult because as most of us know who have been engaged in development and community, um, there is always the pro and the con.
31:48What I like about his approach is that he listens to both sides, and he tries to engage both sides in dialogue before he reaches a decision or an opinion or recommendation.
32:04So I think he's the perfect um continued um appointment to this task.
32:12Thank you, Chairman.
32:14Uh thank you, Councilmember Bonds, Councilmember Treyon White.
32:18Uh today I will be supporting uh Mr.
32:21Hood in his nomination.
32:22I think that he has been a very thoughtful leader over the years.
32:26We have not agreed on everything, but those things we did not agree upon.
32:30We had a uh very good dialogue of where he landed and why he landed there in most instances.
32:35Um so I respect a leader like that, uh, because we may not always agree on everything, but I think that he has been a uh a balancing force for both sides of the of our argument, and in most cases he's done uh a great job of leading us at the zone and commission, so I will be supportive of his nomination today.
32:56Councilmember Felder.
33:00I'll be very brief to uh echo the sentiments of a lot of my colleagues uh as it relates to the nomination of Mr.
33:08Uh I've found him to be very resourceful, uh a tremendous leader within his respective community.
33:16Um, and I look forward to him continuing to serve on the uh board and and his insight uh especially on the various projects that come before his commission.
33:27So I too will be supporting this nomination as well.
33:33There's no further discussion.
33:35Uh we have the print and report before us uh we leave for staff.
33:39All those in favor say aye.
33:42Are there any opposed?
33:44Hearing none, the ayes have it unanimously.
33:47Uh Madam General Council is the measure legally and technically sufficient for our consideration.
33:56Hearing record and reporter files.
33:58Uh Madam Budget Director, this is a confirmation, so there is no fiscal impact statement.
34:05Um without objection, this measure will be placed on the consent agenda for today's legislative meeting.
34:11That completes items for markup in the committee as a whole.
34:14We'll turn to consideration of measures from other committees where members may ask questions, but debate would be left for the um legislative meeting.
34:26And uh the first two measures were reported out reported out of the committee on public works and operations, chaired by Councilmember Brienne Nadeau.
34:34Bill 26-174, enhancing consumer protection procedures amendment act to 2026.
34:40Councilmember Nadeau.
34:42Thank you very much.
34:46There is a frustration among residents when businesses that are bad actors are not held accountable.
34:52When a business repeatedly violates noise ordinances or operating hours or sells something, they are not allowed to sell, doesn't pass the DC health inspections, not give a refund.
35:01They sometimes continue to operate, flouting laws and not paying fines.
35:06This bill gives the Office of the Attorney General and the Department of Licensing and Consumer Protection the ability to go after bad actors and hold them accountable for violations.
35:15The bill makes important updates to the Consumer Protection Procedures Act or CPPA, which was first passed in 1976 and protects consumers from unfair and deceptive business practices.
35:24Both the Department of Licensing and Consumer Protection and the Office of Attorney General play a critical role in enforcing the CPPA.
35:30And my bill ensures these agencies have the procedural tools necessary to protect consumers in the district.
35:35This includes expanding OEG's authority and court proceedings to swiftly gather information and close a business and DLCP's power to issue cease and desist orders, suspend or revoke business licenses and summarily close businesses.
35:46The bill expands substantive protections for consumers under the CPPA.
35:50Similar to the Federal Consumer Financial Protection Act, this bill adds a new prohibition against abusive conduct or business practices that take advantage of consumers' lack of knowledge.
35:58It also expands the CPPA to cover charitable solicitations and updates the definition of merchant to include companies that offer free services, including social media companies.
36:07It also prohibits additional practices under the CPPA, including deceptive pricing and hidden fees and fraudulent business ownership disclosures.
36:15In many of these cases, OEG had already successfully argued in court that these practices violate the CPPA, but explicitly named them in the code will reduce litigation time and allow DLCP to enforce these pieces as well.
36:26The bill provides critical and long overdue updates to the district's consumer protection law that will hold businesses accountable and benefit consumers across TC.
36:35Uh with that, I move the bill.
36:40Thank you, Councilmember Nidou.
36:41Are there questions from members Mr.
36:47Uh Councilmember Parker.
36:48Uh apologies, uh Councilmember Nadoa that I didn't bring this up in the breakfast.
36:53I I support the bill, but it's more of a concern around DLCP's lack of enforcement, I would say.
37:01And so the question I would have is what commitments or uh faith do you have that the agency will actually enforce this new power that they have?
37:12Uh what I've seen from DLCP is that they seek to bring businesses into compliance.
37:18Um and they are hesitant of leveraging their enforcement powers.
37:23And so if you could just speak to what that might look like or how it might work for the agency to actually enact these enforcement powers.
37:33Yeah, I mean, are there picture particular areas of enforcement that you've had that issue with?
37:39Um, like flavor tobacco or companies that are selling products that we know are illegal.
37:45Um DLCP has done any number of visits with my team in office.
37:50Um, and I don't quite see them taking the next step of enforcement.
37:54And in fact, in an oversight hearing, I've heard them say that their job is to bring companies into compliance.
38:01And so again, it may be a philosophical difference, but um I just have observed that they are a bit hesitant of leveraging their enforcement authority.
38:11Yeah, I it it so that's very helpful.
38:14Thanks for the specifics.
38:15So one uh one key piece of this is that it provides additional enforcement powers, including expanding the ability to close businesses that present health and safety threats or repeatedly defy the law.
38:26I think this update was long overdue and really reflects some of the gaps in the law that didn't allow enforcement to go all the way to the point we need to see change.
38:38So I I am hopeful that this will resolve your concern.
38:45Councilmember Lewis George.
38:46I just wanted to chime in on that point with Councilmember Parker that there is an issue not only with the tobacco shops, which is come up numerous times, where many of them have somehow become 24 hour overnight without any public approval, without any and they're like, oh, we're a grocer when they're across the street from Walmart and next door to Aldi.
39:08So like what groceries are you providing next to Aldi and Walmart?
39:14Um we've had that issue, and it's been enforcement.
39:17Uh tobacco shops, then in in predatorily, I think in in certain neighborhoods, becoming 24 hours and then there's nothing there.
39:25Uh, we've had issues with um illegally operating like uh uh car repair pop-ups that have not happened, um car shops that didn't park vehicles all over the neighborhood in and everywhere that are not supposed to be parked there.
39:44Um I'm probably forgetting one, but yes, I think across the board, like Councilmember Parker is saying, we're hopeful with the passage of this law, DLCP will start to step up in enforcement across the board because a lot of the enforcement efforts that we are asking them to do are real life safety and health issue for many of our communities, um, and we would like to see them step up for our communities in that way.
40:04Um we would like to see them step up for our communities in that way.
40:12And um I I think the renewed the ability to issue cease and desist orders, suspend or revoke business licenses, and summarily close businesses, I think is the key piece there for the issues that you're concerned about as well.
40:28If there's no further I'll ask three questions, Madam General Council is the measure legally and technically sufficient for our consideration.
40:44Is there a fiscal impact?
40:46It is uh 397,000 in uh fiscal year 26 and 3.2 million across the plan.
40:54How much across the plan?
40:57Uh without objection, this measure will be placed on the consent agenda for today's legislative meeting.
41:03Uh the next measure requires a waiver of community to whole rule 403B.
41:08That's a filing requirement.
41:10Um Councilmember Nidau, do you want to move a waiver of 403B?
41:13Yes, so move Chairman.
41:15Is there discussion?
41:17Um maybe I'll just say if there's no objection, we will treat the motion as uh being adopted.
41:23Hearing no objection, the waivers adopted.
41:27Uh bill 26-249, nonprofit services preservation amendment act 2026.
41:32Councilmember Nadeau.
41:34Thank you, Chairman.
41:35This bill clarifies and updates the nonprofit fair compensation act of 2020 to ensure that nonprofit organizations partnering with the district government are fairly and consistently reimbursed for the full cost of delivering vital services in our communities.
41:47Nonprofits are indispensable partners in carrying out the district's mission from providing housing and food access to youth programming and health care.
41:54Nonprofits deserve to be paid fairly for both their direct services and the behind-the-scenes support that makes those services possible.
42:00While the 2020 law was meant to address the lack of payment for those indirect costs, it's not been fully implemented.
42:06And as a result, nonprofits have had to make tough choices between providing their staff with adequate benefits and wages and maximizing the services they provide directly to the community.
42:15Without payment for true costs, the nonprofits face a loss every time they accept a DC contract or grant.
42:20This chronic underfunding can force nonprofits to cut staff or even close altogether.
42:25Today's bill clarifies the district must compensate a nonprofit for indirect costs in addition to direct costs for services.
42:31It increases the minimum indirect cost rate for nonprofits from 10% to 15%, matching the federal rate that went into effect in October 2024.
42:39And it includes provisions to improve transparency and implementation, such as requiring clear, standardized contract language, regulations and guidance for agencies and grantees, and staff training on compliance.
42:50Finally, this legislation establishes a nonprofit relief grant program to help eligible nonprofits cover funding gaps and indirect costs.
42:57I firmly believe that by treating indirect costs as essential, not optional.
43:01This legislation supports the long-term health of our nonprofit sector and ensures they can continue providing life-changing services without being financially penalized for doing so.
43:10And I ask for this place this to be placed on the consent agenda for the legislative meeting to follow.
43:15Thank you, Councilmember Nodeau.
43:17Are there questions from members?
43:18Councilmember Crawford?
43:21Uh I spoke about this during our breakfast, but I just wanted to be in be sure to include it again on the record.
43:27The fiscal impact statement concludes that this bill will cost 70 million over the financial plan.
43:32I know Councilmember Nadeau that the committee considered this.
43:35So I just want to ask you to speak to the FIS, how you consider this price tag in committee and the feasibility of finding future funding for this measure.
43:44And then second, um, is this measure retroactive at all?
43:49Thank you for the question.
43:50The measure is not retroactive.
43:52Um as folks will remember from the implementation of the 2020 bill, it came with a fiscal impact statement of zero dollars, which was puzzling for us at the time, but became uh the reason uh behind it became clearer during implementation when we found that um district agencies were telling nonprofits that they most certainly could have their federally negotiated indirect rates, they could just take it out of the entire grant budget, which of course was not the intent of the law.
44:20Um correcting that, of course, does cost money, and um we believe this reflects the actual cost of implementing the law and is an honest assessment of what it takes to fairly compensate nonprofits.
44:33Um truly believe that we can't be balancing our budget on the backs of the smallest organizations that are providing so many services in our community.
44:44Um and although I'm not optimistic that we will find the full funding this year, um, some of that is grant funds uh that can be um added as time goes on.
44:58Thank you, Chairman.
45:01If there are no further questions, Madam General Counsel is the measure legally and technically sufficient for our consideration.
45:21I'm stuck in Zoom land.
45:25Do you want us to call the police to unstick you?
45:31Uh Madam Budget Director, does the measures to impact statement comply with council requirements?
45:37And what's the fiscal impact?
45:38Yeah, as was discussed, uh $6.9 million in FY27 and $70.2 million through the plan.
45:47Is that because the first year is partial year?
45:52Because that's six million in the first year and seven to sixty-four million in the next three years.
45:58Well, it it looks like the uh grant cost is uh 5.4 and then goes up, but for contracts, it's a smaller amount for 27.
46:12That makes no sense.
46:13But I mean, it it could be that you know as you know, contracts are renegotiated, um, the costs go up.
46:25Uh without objection, this measure will be placed on the consent agenda for today's legislative meeting.
46:30If there is no objection, the next two for six measures which came out of the Committee on Housing.
46:39All have a waiver request.
46:41That's a waiver of committee, the whole rule 403B, which again is a filing deadline.
46:47Um if there's no objection, I'll ask Councilmember Robert White to move the waiver for all five measures at once.
46:56Um thank you, Chairman.
46:57Yes, uh happy to move these in block.
47:03Uh yes, I move the waiver for these uh confirmation resolutions and block.
47:08We have a motion to waive committee the whole rule 403B.
47:12If there is no objection, we'll consider the motion approved.
47:17Hearing no objection, it's approved.
47:20If there is no objection, uh Councilmember White will present the four measures that are confirmations regarding the District of Columbia Housing Authority Board of Commissioners.
47:32That would be PR 26-537, confirming Christopher Murphy, PR 26-538, confirming Denise Blackson, PR 26-540, confirming Leroy Clay the Third.
47:48Uh PR 26-42 confirming Raymond Skinner.
47:53And PR 26-543 confirming Teresa Silla.
47:59That looks like that's actually five measures.
48:01Hearing no objection, uh, if you would present them in block.
48:06Uh thank you, Chairman.
48:07The DC Housing Authority or DCHA is central to the district's mission to provide safe, stable, and affordable housing.
48:14And yet the last several years have brought intense scrutiny and upheaval for the agency.
48:19We have seen improvement, but the agency still has a lot of work to do.
48:22And the Board of Commissioners is there to oversee the work and keep the agency on track.
48:27For the last several years, the Board has been operating as the temporary stabilization and reform board, or Star Board, which was created to stabilize the agency in a time of crisis.
48:37We are now transitioning to the permanent board.
48:39I believe these nominees are committed to continued improvement, and I've made clear to them that this moment calls for urgency and accountability.
48:47The first nominee, Mr.
48:49Christopher Murphy brings decades of experience with Federal Housing Regulation and Capital Projects.
48:54This is particularly important as DCHA works to address long-standing capital needs.
49:01Denise Blackson, who brings a central perspective of voucher holders and her dedication to resident engagement and community connection helps ensure the board remains accessible and accountable to the public.
49:15LeRoy Clay III brings deep experience in government accounting and auditing, given the agency's ongoing financial challenges.
49:23His expertise is critical to restoring confidence in DCHA's financial management.
49:31Raymond Skinner brings decades of affordable housing experience and has chaired the temporary board for the past three years, and he has taken that responsibility seriously.
49:42Theresa Silla, who serves as the director of the interagency council on homelessness, sits at a critical intersection of our housing and homelessness systems.
49:51Her perspective and commitment to resident inclusion are invaluable.
49:55In their testimony, all five nominees express their commitment to continuing their service on the permanent board and to the residents who are at the center of this work.
50:04As the agency's oversight body, the city needs this board to act with the urgency this moment demands.
50:10And I look forward to working with them as the agency moves forward.
50:14I move these five nominations in block.
50:19Thank you, Councilmember.
50:20Are there questions?
50:24Madam General Counsel, are these measures legally and technically sufficient for our consideration?
50:30Madam Secretary, is your record complete for each?
50:33Madam Budget Director, these are confirmations, so there is no fiscal impact statement?
50:38Without objection, these measures will be placed on the consent agenda for today's legislative meeting.
50:44The next measure is Bill 26-545.
50:47River East at Grandview Home Ownership Relief and Restoration Amendment Act of 2026.
50:53Councilmember White.
50:55Thank you, Chairman.
50:58Oh, I have to move the waiver.
51:00No, we moved the waiver for all of them.
51:04Before I begin, I want to recognize the residents of River East at Grandview.
51:09From the very beginning, they showed up.
51:12They organized, they testified, they fought for each other, they were tireless and relentless in their advocacy, securing mortgage forgiveness, pushing the district to act, and refusing to let this issue fade away.
51:24This bill exists because of them.
51:26I also want to acknowledge the organizations that stood with them Empower D.C., the D.C.
51:31Fiscal Policy Institute, and the Washington Interface Network, which have all endorsed this bill and have helped elevate what is at its core a question of fairness.
51:41We have a responsibility today to decide what kind of city we are.
51:46This bill asks a simple question.
51:48When families do everything right, when they work, save, qualify, and buy a home through programs we created, and that promise literally collapses through no fault of their own.
52:01Do we step in during the crisis and then move on?
52:04Or do we finish the job?
52:06Because we have not finished the job for 46 families of the River East at Grandview.
52:12Between 2017 and 2019, these families, almost all of them, first-time and first generation homeowners bought homes in Ward 8.
52:20Those homes were more than a shelter.
52:22They were a pathway to stability, equity, and generational wealth.
52:27And then those homes begin to fail.
52:29Huge cracks in the wall, floor shifting, water intrusion, and eventually families were told to evacuate because the building could collapse.
52:38They lost their homes, but more than that, they lost their stability and their livelihoods.
52:44They lost equity, they lost the foundation.
52:46That makes homeownership work.
52:48Now the district did step in, and that matter.
52:51We provided rental assistance.
52:53We helped stabilize families in a moment of crisis, but let's be honest about what we did not do.
53:00We did not restore these families to the path of homeownership, and the market did not stand still while they waited.
53:06Interest rates doubled.
53:08Home prices increased more than 25 percent.
53:11So these families were left forced back into the markets back into the market.
53:16They weren't starting where they left off, they were starting from behind.
53:20Today, more than half of those former homeowners still are not homeowners.
53:24And many who are able to buy again are doing so under significant financial strain, paying more for less without the equity they should have been building all along.
53:33That is the gap that we must address and that this bill addresses.
53:37And it does does so in a way that is targeted, practical, and fiscally neutral.
53:42For those who have not been able to repurchase, it allows HPAP to be used as a grant.
53:46For those who did repurchase under worse conditions, it converts their HPAP loans into a grant.
53:52For those who move forward without HPAP, it provides limited support to reduce the burden of those higher cost mortgages.
53:59About 30 seconds, Chairman.
54:03Lastly, it ensures that those who purchase inclusionary zoning units can get equity from that home and pass it and pass on the asset to their children after a 15-year affordability covenant which matches their original affordability covenant.
54:16That is about equity.
54:18Because when homeownership fails black families, families who were trying to build wealth in a system where that has never been easy, we cannot shrug and say we did enough.
54:28We either stand with our constituents when they are in need or we don't.
54:32We cannot undo what happened at on Talbot Street, but we can decide how we respond.
54:38To my colleagues in 2024, many of us on this diet said that we were willing, we were committed to working uh together for the right solution to help these families.
54:48This is that solution, and I am reminding us today of that promise.
54:52And uh I would submit that doing nothing uh uh is not an option here.
55:00Uh so I urge my colleagues to vote yes and uh move this.
55:02I was gonna say your 30 seconds has expired.
55:04Thank you, Chairman.
55:05Um there questions from members?
55:11Chairman, I have a comment what it is.
55:13Comments or consent agenda.
55:15Questions uh it's gonna be on non-consent.
55:20Um I just member Henderson.
55:23I said councilmember Henderson.
55:25Um I have a just a couple of questions I wanted to ask Councilmember Robert White on the record.
55:29If um so um in your statement you talked about for those who are looking to repurchase a home, for those who decided they don't want to do home ownership again, what relief does this offer them, or is this only for those who are seeking to go down the home ownership route yet again?
55:49Uh thank you, Councilmember Henderson.
55:51We we have tried what I believe to be more perfect solutions.
55:55Um there's no perfect solution here, so this would only help uh those who have purchased or uh will purchase before 2031.
56:06So this also doesn't leave the window open indefinitely.
56:09Uh this would expire, this authorization would expire in 2032, only for those who uh repurchase.
56:17Um does the bill have a sunset though?
56:31Um just to clarify for um let's say well, I I don't know whatever the particular makeup is in terms of the homeowners, but let's say someone did go down the route of purchasing another home, but they didn't use HPAP.
57:05So uh going forward uh for for those limited families who have already purchased, it would give them uh some benefit on their current mortgage, uh but but not for anybody going forward.
57:17Okay if they don't use HPAP.
57:22If there are no further questions, Mr.
57:25Councilmember Bonds.
57:27Thank you very much.
57:28Um I want to um understand these um three points that the council member is making with this bill.
57:37One, he says for residents who have already purchased a home with HPAP, the loan will be converted to a grant.
57:45What is the total value of that grant?
57:49Uh thank you, Councilmember Bonds.
57:51The total value of the grant would be whatever the homeowner qualifies for under HPAP.
57:57Uh does that make sense?
57:59So if you are approved, whatever you get approved for for HPAP, it would be a grant as opposed to a loan.
58:08So in looking at the um a table that list all of the re all of those who were living on this property, this condominium, um the HPAP shows 2.36 million dollars.
58:30Is that the value of the HPAP original loan, or is that showing the amount of the HPAP converted to grant?
58:43Uh thank you for that question.
58:44So if all remaining residents from Talbot Street secured HPAP assistance in the next fiscal year, that total would be about 2.62.7 million.
58:57So that would be like the maximum total, assuming all were applied and approved.
59:05So would that include item two that you mentioned?
59:08Residents who have not yet purchased, they will be offered HPAP in the form of a grant.
59:15So that includes all HPAP.
59:17Um number three, uh, for residents who purchase IZ or ADUs, the affordability covenant for those units would be reduced to 15 years.
59:32I'm trying to understand what the numbers are for that.
59:37The there's no fiscal impact uh on on that.
59:41Um this would so I couldn't tell you the numbers because there's no fiscal impact, but that 15-year affordability uh period matches the affordability period for their Talbot Street homes.
59:53And so of the 40 46 um individuals, how many does it affect?
1:00:00I'm trying to get a sense of the magnitude of the problem, quite honestly.
1:00:08So out of the 46 households, 16 of them have uh purchased at this point.
1:00:17So that leaves uh 30.
1:00:20Uh I can't say that all 30 will uh want to be homeowners after this saga, uh, but the maximum amount would be 2.6 to 2.7 million.
1:00:34And that's in total cost.
1:00:35There's no fiscal impact because it's outside of the um uh uh fiscal period, the four-year period.
1:00:42And is it is it talk to us about this um what what we're hearing and what we've been told is that the total government expenditure for these um 46 um individuals, households has been 14 million dollars.
1:01:02So help us to understand if there is more resources that we are outlaying through your legislation or not.
1:01:14Uh I'm sorry, Councilmember Bonds.
1:01:16More resources beyond Yes, more money, yes.
1:01:20So the Beyond the 14 million.
1:01:24I I don't um fully know where the 14 million came from, but he here's here's a breakdown of of what I know.
1:01:31Um we have uh spent a little more than four million dollars in short-term rental assistance.
1:01:39This is while the residents and the district held out hope for the residents to move back in.
1:01:44Um that's about four or four point two million.
1:01:47Then there's been 1.8 million dollars in HPAP loans.
1:01:53That the administration includes that in the amount they gave you.
1:01:57Um then there's $602,000 in direct assistance uh for long-term rent and moving assistance.
1:02:07Uh this was for a small subset of of residents that were still in a difficult uh position because credit had been messed up in a number of other individual circumstances.
1:02:20So that is the the breakdown of of what we've done at this point.
1:02:25Thank you very much.
1:02:30Uh if there are no further questions, Councilmember Parker and then Lewis George.
1:02:36Um I wanted to pick up where Councilmember Bonds left off.
1:02:39Uh and just at a high level, I think I like many people want to support these residents uh who are in a tough position.
1:02:48Uh I'm looking at this table, and it seems like with all of the assistance to date, we're looking at 7.2 million dollars that we've dispersed.
1:03:01Now that's counter the rhetoric that's out there that we aren't doing anything for these black residents east of the river, and I worry that some of that rhetoric may have been uh propagated by the council.
1:03:16What we have before us is a number of people that we're saying if you apply for HPAP, it will turn into a grant.
1:03:24I guess the the concern I have is if we are offering a reprieve for harm caused, it seems as though everyone is going to get a little bit of a different benefit.
1:03:37Some people won't get anything because they're not applying for a home.
1:03:41As you mentioned, Councilmember White, some people will get more money because they qualify for more money.
1:03:46And why would we not just try to find uh a uniform grant if that's what we're trying to do to say everyone qualifies for this unified benefit versus what we have here?
1:04:03And then my second question or concern I would have is uh it seems to me as though prioritizing these families for HPAP would essentially gen up that program for the foreseeable future.
1:04:19Uh it seems like the total allotment, if I heard you correctly with council member bonds, is roughly north of two million dollars, which is what is allotted for the program.
1:04:32So let me go in reverse order.
1:04:34This will have no impact on the HPAP program, and and here is why.
1:04:41These folks are competing with everybody else for HPAP.
1:04:44So if they get approved, um theirs would be a grant instead of a loan.
1:04:52Um If I could jump in really quickly, a follow-up question to that.
1:04:55I know before we had voted on allowing them to have priority in the HPAP program.
1:05:01Does that still apply here?
1:05:03And if so, is that through 2032 as well?
1:05:11This bill does not change their priority status.
1:05:14So they would have priority.
1:05:15So they do have priority because the administration uh I think rightfully so.
1:05:19Through 2032, these residents would have priority.
1:05:24But I just want to be clear-eyed that that would monopolize the HPAP program for the foreseeable future.
1:05:30As as as I'm calculating the number, HPAP is $27 million.
1:05:35The maximum this would be if all of them apply next fiscal year is 2.7 million.
1:05:42And then you're saying Councilmember.
1:05:46If I could have one more minute.
1:05:50One more question.
1:05:51Well, no, he I'm sorry.
1:05:53If Councilmember White could have one more minute to answer the question.
1:05:58And it was more so about uniform benefit versus what seems to be individualized benefit depending on what they qualify for.
1:06:10So I I tried a uniform benefit last year.
1:06:18This is sort of the the lowest possible.
1:06:21This is we're at the bone at this point.
1:06:24I would love to do more.
1:06:25I'd love to do a uniform benefit.
1:06:27I don't think this body is going to get there.
1:06:29So this was we get the the best we could could figure.
1:06:39This is going to be on non-consent.
1:06:41I I I plan to support it.
1:06:43I just invoicing concerns that I have.
1:06:46And if we are going to subtract this from the HPAP program, I would encourage us to consider doing a uniform benefit via grant that we could subtract from the baseline so that all of these families can receive one uniform benefit versus uh this piecemeal approach.
1:07:04But uh thank you, Councilmember White.
1:07:06I know you've been at this a while.
1:07:08I know it's not a perfect solution.
1:07:10Um thank you, Chairman, for the extra time.
1:07:13Councilmember Lewis George.
1:07:15I don't want to belabor any more time.
1:07:17Thank you, Chairman.
1:07:18Councilmember Crawford.
1:07:20Uh Councilmember White, in your conversations with the executive, are you optimistic that we won't see other situations like this, particularly for first-time home buyers purchasing in Ward 7 and 8?
1:07:32And how do we just work together to make sure this doesn't happen again?
1:07:37Uh thank you for that question.
1:07:38I I am not optimistic that this won't happen again.
1:07:42Um and that's on us and the executive.
1:07:44I mean, this is not the type of thing that should happen when uh I I don't want to get back into the debate around liability because we've moved on from there, and I don't want to drag folks back into that.
1:07:55Um inspectors, right?
1:07:59And so we are relying on the city.
1:08:02When we purchase a home or when work is done, we are relying on the city uh when they say it's been done well and has been right for that to be the case.
1:08:09Um and so I I um I don't agree with how this is played out with respect to liability, but no, I'm not confident that this won't happen again.
1:08:18Because I've got no plan from the executive to explain how it won't happen again.
1:08:26Councilmember White, I have a few questions.
1:08:28Um The um homeowners at uh Grandview.
1:08:34They received rental assistance, is that correct?
1:08:38For I believe 15 months at least.
1:08:42That's probably right.
1:08:44And they also had their HPAP loans that they had received when they purchased those HPAP loans were forgiven.
1:08:53And um they received uh moving assistance?
1:09:02And uh they were offered all a $30,000 buyout?
1:09:07Uh I don't think all of them were offered uh a buyout.
1:09:10There was rental assistance given.
1:09:12There were there were a number of offers, so this was a moving target for I think it was a choice.
1:09:16A couple of years.
1:09:17Did they could uh try to buy or they could take a buyout and in return the district would take title to the unit?
1:09:24Um there was a bio conversation at at some point in this multi-year saga, yes.
1:09:30And did the district also um negotiate with lenders so that most not a hundred percent, but most of the unit owners had their mortgages canceled?
1:09:41Uh most uh the owners uh whose properties were worthless, literally worthless, did have their mortgages canceled.
1:09:50Those are all the questions I had.
1:09:52There's no other questions from members of the question.
1:09:54Those are just questions or comments.
1:09:58This is committee of the whole.
1:10:01Oh, I moved to put this on the consent agenda, Chairman.
1:10:04I know you already said that.
1:10:06Um Madam General Counsel, is the measure legally and technically sufficient for our consideration?