Good evening.

Today is March 11th, Wednesday.

This is the landmarks commission, and I am calling this meeting to order.

We'll start with roll call.

Linda Gordo.

Carmen Delapaz.

My Christine.

Matt Ratzek.

Perfect.

And I will move on to open for any public comment.

Good evening, Lisa Halp 434, Madison Street.

I'm just taking a look at item 26-03 108 discuss alternative date for the landmarks meeting in April.

And as you know, this meeting was bumped due to a city event.

And so that'd be the second month in a row that it would be bumped.

And the Plan Commission has a meeting on March the 25th.

So I'm just wondering what's so imperative that the second meeting in a row would be bumped in order to accommodate the plan commission.

It says that it would need to be need to schedule it for the zoning code update.

And I guess time will tell.

Thank you.

Anyone else for public comment?

Great.

We're going to move on to approval of minutes.

That's the meeting minutes for January 7th.

Minutes.

I'll second that.

I think you can waiting for the signal.

Oh go ahead.

Okay.

I abstain.

I wasn't here.

Aye.

Aye.

Approved.

Okay, and we're moving on to new business item 2603107 certificate of appropriateness for 915 North Hartwell Avenue.

Review a request to replace 400.

I'm going to say it again.

400 windows, and that's the rest haven hotel.

All right.

And it is the former Rest Haven Hotel, which was one of the well, which is the last uh intact example of one of the Grand Springs era resort hotels in the city.

It was built in 1905, and it has classical revival style architecture.

And it was an operated as a hotel until 19 1919 and then was used as a veterans hospital until 1958.

And they are vinyl windows.

So they are at the end of their lifespan and need to be replaced.

don't have moving uh hardware uh so that what they're proposing to replace them with is the uh Pella fiberglass windows uh which uh have a uh more uh a more uh a consistent profile with which the original windows would have been uh then the uh then the wood style and can also be in a uh color that is uh more consistent and less uh doesn't stand out quite as much as the uh the shiny white uh that the vinyl windows are um the windows will be uh will match the uh existing uh openings for the most part uh with uh three uh three panes uh for the majority of them and then for some of the smaller uh shorter windows they'll have the the two uh two light uh openings uh so they provided some uh uh renderings of what that will look like uh when they're finished or when they're replaced uh so this is uh the near the front of the building and then another one of the the wings uh and I believe uh the applicant is here to provide more information I am yes I if you could state your name please yes and your position with the with the organization sure I'm Andrew Moser uh I'm the regional director of development for ethnos 360 um so I oversee all the fundraising for the Bible institute here so we have additionally and I apologize that you didn't get this in advance we have a statement from the architect we consulted um if that'd be helpful I'll just pass you each a copy sent this question which is thank you thank you very much and additionally I have with me um Kyle Voles who is managing the project for catalyst construction um they do the in they're overseeing all the installation project um this is part of a capital campaign of about five million dollars um so they've already overseen about one point six million in internal work and then this is the first exterior project we're looking to do and then I also have um Sean from Pella Windows um commercial sales he was also involved in selecting the style questions I some of the rendering yeah and then stuff like that yeah let's ask go ahead okay when I was looking over these when I got the email I mean you have a lot of different colors from the fire escape and some of the three pane has I'm not really sure what why they're there's Charlie could bring up the other photo uh I don't know if it was another the original window was another side yeah that one there if you look far right hand side the ones in the middle they have some kind of I don't know if that's wood or they couldn't find something or that hallway or whatever was in there was repurposed.

I'm just wondering what are you guys gonna do about that.

That's a great question.

Do either you guys know offhand but you might not be do anything with that I was just yeah it's brick.

It's brick it's not wood yeah.

Okay.

That was basically one of my questions if that was just a filler piece you know they repurposed it was a studio room or a hospital room and then it became something else or a bathroom.

Okay.

Um and I guess the staircase is do you I guess have to do anything with the remove the staircase or you're doing this all in the inside the the fire escape's not an issue the professional says it's not an issue.

These are just questions wouldn't necessarily change the outcome of what this board decides commission decides it was this a question.

Yes also uh the one photo shows some particular in the lower level that have uh air conditioners in them are you replacing those thank you uh that was the other question I have the the windows yes yeah the windows would be replaced and are you gonna put window units in there or I don't think that's part of the project um we would that would be a separate consideration possible it'd be nice if you could I agree not have those but we we've been piecemealing out in the building um central units um for various wings but it's not all climate controlled unsurprisingly but as as we can do it we're doing it.

It'd be nice if you could I agree have those, but we we've been piecemealing out in the building um central units um for various wings, but it's not all climate controlled, unsurprisingly.

But as we can do it, we're doing it.

Thank you.

I just hate to have you get the windows and find out.

Oh, yeah, we didn't think of that.

But that's on your end of the scope of work, not ours.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Does anybody else have any questions?

Any other questions, thoughts?

Um just thoughts.

I'm just looking at some historic photos of what it was over the decades, and I mean it appears consistent with um windows that have always been in the building.

Looks like there's been some bad iterations too along the way that have that have gone away.

So that's including Greece, we would say.

So I yeah, I mean, architecturally, um I think it blends with the building grade.

I think color-wise, it's great to get away from the white.

Um you know, adds some richness to the to the exterior to the facades.

So looks great to me.

Good.

You know, in historic policy here, you know, because it's a landmark, originally everybody would be like, it's gotta be wood, the windows gotta be wood, and and um and and you guys have already set the precedent that you're going from vinyl to fiberglass.

And I also am conscious of the fact that 400 wood windows would not necessarily be the most prudent economic um decision to make.

Um so I just want to put it out there that you know this is a uh kind of a side step of which um I'm totally okay with because it looks good and it it's in keeping with the building, and you guys have done a wonderful job with the building.

So thank you.

So any other comment statements?

No, if there was already wood ones in there, that may sway my decision on that, but they've already been changed many times since the wood was in there.

So I have no issue with uh the selection of fiberglass for energy and particularly longevity, it'll help even preserve the brick if they're installed properly.

Yeah, I I agree 100%.

Okay.

So do I have a motion for this?

Somebody I'll make a motion to approve the um for replacement of 400 plus windows.

I'm so glad it's you, Nami.

And making them the fiberglass that you've chosen, they look wonderful.

Thank you.

Great.

I'll second.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Thank you.

You're all set.

I can't wait to see those windows.

We can either.

Thank you.

Take care.

Okay, we're moving on to 26-03108.

Discuss alternative dates for April's landmark commission meeting.

Let's discuss it.

All right.

Um, so I promise this is not gonna be happening on a regular basis.

Uh it just so happened that uh zoning code is it's a really big project, and we've been having uh special meetings for most of the discussions that have happened.

Basically, you know, the plan commission has full agendas, and it it really doesn't work to have the uh the zoning code uh in you know, just kind of shoehorned into those agendas.

Um they are hoping to have a vote on recommending you know approval to the council at the April meeting.

Uh so at the at that uh April 1st uh date.

So uh we've been asked to move the landmarks commission meeting to another another date.

Unfortunately, of course, it's right after it was moved for the uh the event uh last week.

Um that I understand several of you attended, so um and and uh yeah, so hopeful, hopefully this will not be happening in the future.

The landmarks commission will be continuing to be on the first Wednesday of the month, but uh for April we we have to find a different date.

Uh so there are two dates that uh uh that where there are not any other city meetings.

One is uh April 2nd, and uh the other one is Wednesday, April 8th, that's the following Wednesday.

Uh, there are not any other meetings in this room.

I don't know if there are other meetings that are happening at the same time.

Uh but um basically I'm just wondering if you if there's a consensus between all of you which one works better.

Uh Tony uh Lanza when he emailed about uh that he could couldn't make it today.

Uh he did mention uh he said the eighth uh would work better for him.

Be he believes that uh the second was part of uh spring break, so it would be not as uh not as good of a uh time to make it.

So I prefer the eighth, because I can make that same here.

I'm out of town the previous week for spring break.

I'm I'm confused.

Tony was going to be here with us on this.

Is he planning to be here with us on the second?

Is that the deal or uh he said the he said the eighth would work better for him uh because spring break uh uh I think the second would be harder to make it.

But he's planning to be with us for the eighth.

Is that what you he wants to come and be on the agenda for something?

I'm just trying to Tony Lanza.

Tony uh um Oh, okay.

All right, I was thinking of Yeah, not Tony.

I'm like, why is Tony Brown?

Right.

Okay.

Gotcha.

Okay.

Eighth is does it work for the years?

Everybody else is good for the eighth.

You're good.

Were you good?

All right, for the eighth.

Yep.

Well, thank you for being so accommodating.

Couldn't we have our meeting the same day in another room or something?

I'm just wondering.

Oh, because you're part of planning.

Yeah, I got it.

We we could all see different time, but you know, then if we did it at say 5 p.m.

Then, you know, if the landmarks missing goes long, then you know that that could be an issue.

We will actually anticipate having a meeting in April because we have the I have a one of my communications the landmarks awards, assuming that there are any nominations will be discussed then.

And I've already talked to a couple of people about uh hopefully getting out of that agenda.

So okay.

I was just I'm sorry, I'm I was a little confused.

Yeah.

I suppose if you wanted to have it on the on the first, we could we could move it to a different time too.

But uh, I guess that's I I thought that would be uh not the best idea.

So yeah, no, that's fine.

It that's cool.

I'm just trying to wrap my head around it all.

Okay.

Yeah, no problem.

We'll we'll just go with the eighth, same time.

All right.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, we're gonna move on to landmarks commission paint and repair grant funds.

What was that?

Oh, so that is normally at the beginning of the agenda, but we didn't have any paint and repair grants uh on this agenda anyway.

So um I guess it's okay to have it here.

Uh as a reminder, uh, paint and repair grants are approved uh at uh on an increasing scale, typically 15% of the project, uh to a maximum of three thousand dollars.

But the landmarks mission may use discretion to change the wounts based on project scope, overall impact, fund availability, and any other circumstances.

Um for 2026, uh we do have uh 25,000 that was approved.

Um it sounds like we might be getting it earlier this year.

I don't want to guarantee anything.

Certainly we would any approvals would be contingent on receiving the the uh funds from the federal government, but sounds like it might not have to wait until September this time.

Um don't quote me on that until it actually happens.

Uh we have uh we had some discussion at the uh at the January meeting.

Uh we have to have a little bit of a different uh different standard.

Um we won't have to exclude the Caples Park Historic District or other areas that are outside of the low moderate income census tract, uh, but it will have to be a it's it's what's called a spot slum blight designation that'll be uh for each property that's that's uh getting a paint and repair grant.

That'll have to be something that that uh you all decide on.

Um based on the what I've received from the county and the the what we've looked through of the guidelines, it seems like that's more it has more to do with the what the project is, that it's something that could potentially, if it's not fixed, uh that it could potentially result in blights uh in the future.

for each property that's that's uh getting a paint and repair grant that'll have to be something that that uh you all decide on um based on the what i've received from the county and the the what we've looked through of the guidelines it seems like that's more it has more to do with the what the project is that it's something that could potentially if it's not fixed uh that it could potentially result in blights uh in the future uh you know so certain types of work maybe wouldn't qualify but uh all all of the landmarks properties will now uh and I'll have a little bit more hope hopefully uh have a little bit more detail on that before we actually get to uh reviewing any of those uh so again there's 25 thousand dollars available for this year uh we have uh six thousand four hundred and thirty two dollars left over from uh projects that were approved in 2025 and uh have been completed yet both of those did anticipate completing the work in the spring and I'll try and uh for April I'll try and have an update on where what their timeline is there have not been any grants that have been approved yet this year great thank you the Alderman's report please thank you I have this email up and ready to go but uh if you guys receive or anyone out in listening land receive uh city updates and city newsletters I can't believe that springtime and spring cleaning is here but I do believe uh park and rec is looking for their yearly uh team of people to go out and pick a favorite park near you uh see April on the city of Waukeshaw Park and Rec there have a volunteer uh sign up list and I was just going over the dates and I might even be this Saturday but anyways if you are wishing to spend some time outside either spend some time with Charlie cleaning up some springs or something with the park and rec uh April uh she manages the spring cleanup in the parks I have a couple parks in my district so I'll be there.

I don't know why they don't have the date for that but if time allows please check that out on the city website thank you.

Moving on to the Springs report.

All right um all I have is uh I guess Hobo Spring has been flooded again basically all winter um it was flooded in early November and we had uh it's snow that prevented them from uh getting out to uh to get it uh removed and then uh you know since somebody has to actually get into it uh it's not really something that we can ask somebody you know it an employee to from the parks department or from uh public works to get into the water when it's freezing to uh suck it out um so that hasn't been as far as I know has not been done yet I haven't been out there uh in about a week but um hopefully that'll be done very soon and uh we are going to request that uh the parks department uh will help with the cleanup there uh just because uh it's you know the mud in the spring is that's not really something that we can ask volunteers to do we have and it hasn't you know we've we've had mixed uh mixed success and it it's really a lot to to ask somebody to help with that so um it's so we're gonna try and try and get uh some help from the parks department we're just kind of uh uh working on how to how to do that so and we will anticipate having a springs cleanup uh this year too most likely in May okay go for it he was in the email he just didn't uh scan down far enough century of parks people in play citywide earth day cleanup uh appears to be April 25th through park rec forestry century of parks people in play anyways the city's website has that and uh any questions call park and rec so they're also going to plant a hundred years in honor of a hundred years of walkeshaw park wreck and forestry thank you thank you okay moving on to communications and publications all right so I have two things uh first the uh landmarks commission awards uh will be uh I'll be sending out uh the nomination forms probably tomorrow um I had been waiting to know when the April meeting would be but uh uh so we'll get those out as soon as possible um they are you know they'll go out on the city website we do get nominations from uh members of the public but uh most often the uh most of the nominations that we received come from landmarks mission members so if you can think of any uh any projects that have been completed in the last year that have work that's been done that you think is worthy of the awards uh make sure to uh put in turn in a nomination for it um and uh we will discuss that at the April meeting uh and then the other the the other item that I have is the uh WAP PAC conference that's the Wisconsin association of historic preservation commissions uh that's happening in on April 23rd and 24th in Sturgeon Bay uh there's the larger Wisconsin association of or Wisconsin Historical Society conference that happens in the fall that involves both uh landmarks or historic preservation commissions and uh museums this one is a smaller one that's that's really just historic preservation focused uh so again that's April 23rd and 24th in Sturgeon Bay they don't have the agenda out yet but

Uh that's happening in on April 23rd and 24th in Sturgeon Bay.

Uh there's the larger Wisconsin Association of Wisconsin Historical Society conference that happens in the fall that involves both uh landmarks or historic preservation commissions and uh museums.

This one is a smaller one that's that's really just historic preservation focused.

Uh so again that's April 23rd and 24th in in Sturgeon Bay.

They don't have the agenda out yet, but those are they do have the dates.

Um if you would like to uh attend that um the city can help with the uh with the uh the with the registration, I guess.

Perfect.

anybody else have any comments?

Anything else?

Can we get the uh absolutely that's it?

This meeting is adjourned.

Thank you.

All right.