Good evening everybody.

This is the City of Walkershaw Landmarks and Restoration Commission.

We are celebrating Wednesday, April 8th.

I'm going to call this meeting to order.

Marty Larson.

Andreantez.

Carmen Della Paz.

Mike Christine.

Tony Lanza.

I'll open it up for any public comments today.

Nobody here?

Great.

Thank you so much.

Moving on to the approval of minutes for item number two six-zero three one eight seven minutes of March 11th, 2026.

I'll make a motion to approve.

Thank you.

A second.

I'll second.

I'm abstaining, so I wasn't here.

So I wasn't here.

I.

I abstain.

Perfect.

So we will take this up again at next month's meeting.

Perfect.

Thank you so much.

And we're moving on to landmarks commission paint and repair grant funds.

All right.

So as you know, uh paint and repair grants are approved at an increasing scale up to a maximum of three thousand dollars.

Uh typically uh about uh fifteen percent of the cost of a project.

Uh but the landmarks commission may use their discretion to change a board amounts based on project scope, overall impact, fund availability, or any other circumstances.

Uh for 2026, we have 25,000 dollars available, and uh we have been told by the county that they do not expect to have a delay this year.

We don't have the contract signed yet, but they've told us that it's certain enough that we don't have to delay approving paint and repair grants.

Um so we we they're basically they're working on the contract now.

So we we will uh have the money available this year, uh and you can approve grants as of this month if you if you choose to.

Um we do have uh six thousand four hundred thirty-two dollars left over from two uh incomplete projects from twenty twenty-five.

Uh I did talk to both of those applicants and both of them told me that uh they expect the work to be done uh in the near future.

They said they're both on uh schedules with their respective companies for early in the spring.

Um and one of them actually has some of the work done, and we may be able to get the get the grant out uh to him based on the amount of money that he spent so far.

Um and you have not approved any grants yet, so uh you have the whole $25,000 available.

Uh and uh just to note that approvals will need to be conditional on approval from the county and from the SHIPO compliance.

Uh and as of this year, we have sort of a new standard uh for approving a grant, it'll have to be a spot slum or blight designation.

Um which is does not mean that there is slum or bright blights that's currently existing on the house that uh the grant is for.

It just means that the work is uh preventing or it can just mean that the work is preventing uh future condition of slum or blight.

Um so in other words, it can't be for work that is uh that is purely aesthetic, but it can be for work that uh is something that's essential to the house.

Um the I guess the uh positive uh for that is uh any property in that's uh historically designated can be eligible for a paint and repair grant.

So the the uh we don't have any currently in the cables park historic district, but uh uh those ones would be eligible this year for the first time.

I've got a question.

When you said it's for cosmetic or not for cosmetic only.

So is paint cosmetic only or not?

I mean it's up to you guys to determine that.

Um I would say paint for on a historic feature like wood, or we do have one for stucco tonight that I've I've had a recommendation for of approval for, I guess.

Uh you know, a paint for something like that is uh, you know, that keeps it waterproof and it keeps it in condition over good condition over time.

If it's on you know a newer siding or something like that, then it probably would be more purely aesthetic.

That would be that would be my opinion.

I guess it's up to you guys to discuss how how you want to go ahead with it.

Makes sense.

Great.

Thank you.

So we're gonna move on to new business.

Item number 26-03186 landmarks commission certificate of appropriateness for 245 North Barstow Street.

We're gonna review a request by Carroll University to demolish the non-historic physical therapy building at 245 North Barstow Street and replaced it with a new business school.

And this is the College Avenue Historic District.

All right.

So this is the uh the whole main Carroll University uh campus.

That's all one big property, and it's all part of the College Avenue Historic District.

Uh the area or the building in question, the that the applicant uh is planning to demolish, is uh at sort of the northwest corner of that that whole block.

Uh it's at uh on on Barstow just to the south of the uh the bike trail.

Um the building uh that's existing now is a one-story white metal building that has been used for uh the Carroll's uh physical therapy uh uh classes.

Um here it is from the uh campus side.

You can see there's a pretty big uh parking lot there as well.

Uh and then the applicants have provided some uh photos from Barstow Street from the north and from the south.

Uh so this is the building that that the university is proposing to demolish.

Um they've noted uh the four uh buildings uh towards the south of that uh the campus block.

Three of them are uh the uh the main historic campus buildings, old main hall, rankin hall, and voories hall, uh along with Ganfield Gymnasium.

Uh those buildings are the the four uh historic buildings on the Carroll campus, and those are all pivotal uh within the the uh College Avenue Historic District.

Um the fourth uh building that they have highlighted here is Hostad Hall, uh at the which is at the corner of uh College and Barstow.

Uh that's uh one of the newer buildings on the campus.

Um, and it was approved by the the landmarks commission when it was built in I believe 2018.

Um it was designed to uh to be consistent with the architecture of those historic buildings, uh, but to not look older than it is.

Uh so they've they've used those four buildings as inspiration for this uh proposed building.

Uh so this is the uh the new proposed uh Sullivan School of Business Engineering and Technology.

That'd be a three-story uh classroom building.

Um as you can see, it's uh it has uh uh tan uh masonry siding and uh a red roof uh similar to the other uh campus buildings.

Uh the applicants have noted that it steps back from the street, so the the there are some uh one-story portions that are closer to the street, and then the the uh larger mass of the building is uh further back, and they feel that integrates uh with the neighborhood.

So you can see that in the uh in this in this uh floor plan.

This is the first floor.

You can see some larger uh larger classroom building or classroom space as well as a big auditorium, uh, and then the as you go further up to the second floor, uh it's a much smaller footprint, and then the the third floor, they have not given uh detail of the interior uh for in this middle, uh, but it is uh interesting to note.

They plan to add it an outdoor classroom at at this uh southwest corner there, uh sort of a patio space uh that'll look out over Barstow Street and over their football field.

Uh so those of you who've been on the plan commission for a while might remember this uh coming for approval in 2024.

Um so this was what was proposed at that point.

It was very similar uh in terms of the style of the building.

Um it had more of a uh stone uh siding, and uh they at that time had a slate uh red slate roof.

Um so the the change uh from that uh design is uh mostly uh replacing the siding with uh tan colored brick and then the roof with uh shingles, which will still be uh red colored.

Uh so here it is uh from the campus side.

Uh so there's large uh sections of glass, um, which are more of a modern uh style that uh differentiates it from uh from the historic buildings and and uh sets it apart so that it doesn't necessarily look like it's trying to mimic them.

Um and then also obviously the uh uh the stone is is an accent feature both on the the bar stow and on this side.

So that's the elevation of the whole of that whole side of the building.

Um so here's the uh the examples that they've used of uh for the materials.

So there's the natural limestone that you could see as the accent, the tan colored brick, which is the bulk of the siding, and then there's some also some cast architectural stone as accents in other areas, and then the asphalt roof shingles.

Um and then just to note the roof uh has a uh section on the uh of it has a mechanical uh uh section which will be uh covered up by and screened by the the slope roof, and then the last thing is uh they plan to uh reconfigure the the interior portion of the campus behind the building uh and add a lot of green space there.

They they have a separate project uh uh over on Maple where they'll be uh expanding some parking, so they'll be reducing the parking that's in this in this uh lot quite a bit, and the the main entrance and exit of the parking lot over on East Avenue will be removed a little further away from the uh from the health sciences, health and wellness building, uh which is in the McCall Street Historic District.

They'll be moved closer to the McCall Street intersection, um, but it won't quite line up.

So it's a little bit better for uh safety and driving purposes, but uh not not quite lined up.

So uh again, this is a new three-story business engineering and technology building, replacing the existing non-historic building, and uh since 2024, uh they've changed the siding and the shingles for the roof.

Great.

Um do we have somebody here from Carol.

Hi there.

If you could state your name, please.

Uh Justin Hageman, Kayler Slater, architect on the project.

Thank you.

Tom Afternoon for Carroll University.

How are you?

Good, thanks.

Um is there anything else you'd like to state other than what Charlie has already addressed?

No, I think it's reviewed.

Yeah.

Nothing additional.

Anyone have any questions?

I'm just trying to excuse me.

I'm sorry.

Uh over here.

Yeah, yes.

Way over here.

Did we approve it the last time they came?

Okay, so we're just reapproving with those changes.

Yep.

Okay.

Uh thank you.

I talked to uh a lot of alum that went to your facility, including was inside of this facility.

Soon as I read that it was uh approved by landmarks in the past and planning commission, uh the durable list of goods, it fits in with the neighborhood.

It's an improvement of that entire, I think it'll raise the beauty of the entire neighborhood.

I mean, I park in that parking lot a lot, not as much as I used to, but just from the improvements in the parking lot.

The building as it is, it's I mean, I wasn't uh a student there, but the students I and graduates I've talked to there, they were in that facility, and it needs a lot of everything, plumbing improvements, ADA improvements, and this is addresses it all, but just a durable list of goods and the style of it.

I think it's a great um improvement to the neighborhood from the parking lot to the facility itself.

So I I'm in favor of it.

Anyone else have any questions?

No.

What's your time?

Like what's the groundbreaking?

When is that starting?

Then how long do you think the project will be?

June of this year, and completion for August of 27.

Any other questions?

I think it'll look awesome.

Well, you guys have been doing such a great job.

And I think I've been on the commission six years now, and it's been a pleasure to see all the wonderful things you guys are doing.

Thank you.

Does anybody else have anything else to add?

I will take a motion on this then.

I will motion to approve ID 2603186.

Do I have a second?

As listed.

Yeah.

Do we have a second?

I'll second.

Thank you.

All right.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Hi.

Great.

Thank you so much.

We look forward to seeing the next one.

Okay, moving on.

To item number 26.

03189 landmarks commission certificate of appropriateness for 225 West Laflin Avenue.

Review a consultation for repainting of the house.

College Avenue Historic District.

All right.

225 West Laughlin Avenue is on the south side of Laflin Avenue, just a couple of houses in South Grand Avenue.

It's uh the very western edge of the Laughlin Avenue Historic District.

And it is the Nina and Richard Roberts House, which was built in 1920 and has uh craftsman style architecture, and it is uh considered to be contributing in the district.

Um it has uh stucco siding, and uh the applicants would like to uh paint the siding and also do some um repairs of minor cracks.

You can see it's uh the paint has uh kind of faded and and the colors uh have shifted.

Uh and then there are a few sections of cracks.

They don't believe there will be any major repairs that are needed, uh, but they they do plan to do uh minor repairs to the uh the exterior and then also paint the siding.

Uh they don't have a specific color yet, but they do have a scheme that they're considering.

Uh so those are all uh colors that would be uh they believe would be historic or would be um consistent with the uh history.

Um they did note in their application that they had replaced the roof.

Uh so I just wanted to note they hadn't realized that that needed appro approval.

Um I just wanted to note that the roof that they used, it looks like the shingles would be consistent with the landmarks commission's policies.

So again, this is uh repair to uh minor stucco cracks and then repainting the stucco siding.

Great.

Are the owners of the house here today?

No, I guess not.

Okay.

Well um how do we consult?

That's right.

Well, I want to know what the what they want for the consultant consultation.

Right.

It's it's mostly just you know, do those colors seem consistent?

Does the you know, does the painting it's we would require a consultation for a paint and repair grant if there's not if it wouldn't normally need a COA.

Okay.

Um so is the certificate of appropriateness for the paint job then.

Okay, great, got it.

So all right.

Well, you know, I think that in the past we've all kind of not voted unless there's somebody here to ask questions.

And my comment to that is it makes a difference in my eyes if it's an emergency repair and it's the end of October, but it's it's springtime, so they have some time to come back and visit us.

That's my opinion on that.

Yeah, and it's from the images, there's nothing urgent really.

Any other thoughts?

I do know these these colors do align with the historical those Sheron Williams is starting with the two-eights are all part of their historical color palette.

So I think as far as which color doesn't really matter because I think they all fall under that historical color pattern.

Agreed.

But we'd like to have a representative here before we actually go ahead and uh give out the certificate of appropriateness.

So if you would kindly invite them back next month, we would love to see them.

I certainly can do that.

Thanks, Charlie.

Appreciate that.

Is there any agreement in that?

Everybody's good with that.

Yeah, Marty.

Do we have to put a motion to hold it till next?

That'd probably be a motion to hold.

Okay.

I'll second the motion to hold.

With request to have the homeowner presentation, aye.

Hi.

Hi.

I think Charlie.

Yep.

So moving on to item 26-03190 landmarks commission paint and repair grant.

Oh, nope, we're gonna move that one along too.

Can add that one to the other one.

Moving down to item number 26-03228 landmarks commission certificate of appropriateness for 1315 East Broadway.

We're gonna review a request to replace the front porch.

And this is the East Broadway Historic District.

All right.

1315 East Broadway is on the south side of Broadway, uh, just to the east of Porter Avenue.

Um it's on the very eastern edge of the city, and it is in the East Broadway Historic District.

And uh this house does not have a historic name, but uh it was built in 1922.

Uh it has a vernacular uh architectural style, but it is considered to be contributing.

Um and the existing porch, uh, the applicants believe is uh original to the house.

Um the the porch itself, it's a concrete porch uh with uh with concrete stairs.

Um so they've they've uh provided a uh uh layout of the porch, and as you can see it's cracking in several places it's settling.

Uh, they believe the uh the um foundation was not done correctly.

Um so they'd like to replace the replace the porch in its entirety uh and then also replace the replace the railing.

The the railing uh was uh replaced in the 1960s, so it it is not historic.

So they they'll be replacing both the porch itself and the railing.

Uh they've given a couple of options for the uh railing style.

The there's um Tuscany uh style, which is uh just a standard um railing with with uh spindles and then uh Riviera, uh which uh has a second layer level there.

Um both of them are black metal, uh to similar to the uh existing railing.

Uh so these are photos of examples um of those railing.

This is the the Tuscany style uh in a different building, and then uh the um the Riviera style installed in a building.

Um and then this is a a rendering uh with the uh it looks like the Riviera style railing uh on the porch and then with the porch uh replaced.

They also plan to um widen the stairs uh on the porch to to the full width of the uh of the length of the stairs um where currently there's a uh sort of a vertical um layer in between.

Otherwise the porch would be uh the the same dimensions as the existing one.

So again, this is removing and replacing the existing porch in its entirety.

Uh the new porch will be uh generally matching the uh existing dimensions.

Uh and the new railing will be the Tuscany or Riviera style black metal, and uh just a note for this one uh a building permit is required.

Great, thank you so much.

Hi.

Welcome.

Please state your name and your address for the records.

Jean Stevens, 1315 East Broadway.

How are you?

I'm good, thank you.

Good.

Thanks for joining us.

Okay, is there anything else that you'd like to add to what Charlie has already stated?

Um other than we're we're really the second owner of the house.

The the builder sold it to us or to my parents, and I I took possession of the house um two years ago.

Um the porch from what all that we know from the original owner is original.

Um there have been squirrels and raccoons living under it, so I'm sure that's deteriorated the what foundation it may have had, although I don't think it had much other than the the lip.

Um the porch has been painted several times.

We don't plan to paint it, just leave it the concrete.

Um the the original railing was a Victorian railing that was replaced in the 60s, which certainly doesn't match the house.

Um the current railing, sort of um, but we don't plan on doing any scroll work or anything because I don't think that matches the house either.

Uh we had options to do um artificial wood decking instead.

I don't think that would fit the appropriateness of the of what's been there.

Great.

Does anybody else have any questions?

It comes to the spindles.

Do you care which one?

I mean, are you you um I'm leaning toward the one with the extra layer on it just because I it's a little different than what was there, but I put them both in there for you guys to tell me.

Thank you.

I and the architect's not here to say which one is more appropriate.

Maybe you know, I mean, I think that the house has such a nondescript style to it that's really up to personal aesthetics.

I I like the second layer from just a design aesthetics.

So does Mike.

Yeah, it just it's different and it dresses it up a little bit, it makes it more elegant if that's an appropriate.

Certainly without the scroll work, though.

Yeah, no, not the scroll work.

Um, but I I that's my opinion.

Does anybody else have any questions?

We hope to uh I've got a contractor who's also doing the driveway, and um he plans to start in mid-May.

Great.

Wonderful.

Hopefully, it only takes a couple weeks.

If it doesn't rain, I have a wedding reception on the 13th of June.

There?

On the backyard.

All right.

I need the driveway.

Well, we will send good energy your way for sure.

We got good mojo, I think, in this group.

So does the does the landscaping kind of just cover right around it, or is it are you kind of extending it around the house then?

Um the landscaping would remain as it was in the pictures.

Um we'll just rebuild it.

Okay.

Um there was originally uh a hill type thing in where the stonework was for the front part of it, and um that became a hassle for anybody to mow or anything.

So in the 70s, it was redone as a stone wall.

Um we plan to re to keep that.

I'll just have the landscaper back in after they're done and rebuild it.

And are these estimates?

These are the estimated costs, or you have received uh uh that was the estimated cost from one of the contractors I chose.

The second one comes in about a thousand dollars less.

Okay, guess which one gets it?

It's the thousand dollars less.

Yeah, I could use another thousand.

So for sure.

For sure.

Great.

Does anybody else have any comments, questions, concerns?

Okay, I'm looking for a motion on this, please.

I'll make a motion for the certificate of appropriateness for 1315 East Broadway as listed to remove and replace existing porch in its entirety.

New porch to be poured with concrete to match existing dimensions, new railing with the selection choice of the homeowner, and a building permit to be instituted.

I'll second as red.

Thank you.

Hi.

Hi.

Aye.

Hi.

Hi.

Thank you.

You're approved.

Do you want me to stay for the grant?

Yeah, if you'd like to.

I mean, no, you can you can be comfortable.

Well, I'm comfortable.

No, you could stay with the city.

I taught school for 20 years, I'm comfortable.

Sure.

You might be more comfortable if we give you some money.

Okay.

We'll find out.

Yes, thank you so much.

Okay, moving on to item 260329, landmarks commission paint repair grant for 1315 East Broadway.

All right.

So this is the uh estimated estimated costs that they've provided.

Uh they've noted that the uh the total will be 24,000.

Um the uh 12,000 dollars uh would be for the porch concrete, uh 8,000 for the railings, and then 4,000 for the the landscape.

Um typically the landscape wouldn't be included.

I don't believe that was included in the paint and repair grant application itself.

Uh so that would come to 20,000 without the landscaping.

Um the rationale that I had kind of uh included in the uh cover sheet for this is um a porch is essential for egress for the house if it was allowed to continue to do to deteriorate uh that ultimately could go away, and then that would be a significant uh detriment for the house.

So thoughts, anyone?

Um go ahead.

No, I guess I'm just a little confused still about the total cost for just the concrete and the railings without the landscaping.

Yeah.

So um, yeah, the I guess the porch was it's eighteen thousand.

And it plus or the twelve and the eight thousand.

It's the twelve and the eight.

Twelve and the eight.

So I see four.

The four four thousand is for the landscaping.

Right.

Here you can see it right here, actually.

This is so it's 12 for the porch.

I'm looking at this, and it doesn't matter.

Yeah, and then the four goes away, and the eight for the railing, so that would make the total to 20.

That makes sense.

What I'm looking at here didn't make sense.

There you go.

Good.

So do we have any suggestions for this?

Marty.

Well, since we're early in the game, and so early.

Bird gets the worm.

That's right.

I'm going to make a recommendation of a three thousand dollar paint and repair grant for this project.

I'll second that.

Aye.

Hi.

All right.

Perfect.

There you are, sir.

Thank you.

Enjoy.

I hope you're more comfortable now.

Okay, moving on.

Number two six zero three two three two landmarks commission certificate of appropriateness for 510 McCall Street.

Review a request to replace the storm windows.

This is the McCall Street Historic District.

All right.

Uh so 510 McCall Street is on the north side of McCall Street, uh, between uh Hartwell Avenue and Buckner Court.

It's uh kind of on the uh east eastern edge of the McCall Street Historic District.

And uh this is the uh Samuel and Jenny Breeze House, which was built in 1916, and it has uh arts and crafts style with the stucco siding, uh and it is considered to be contributing within the historic district.

And the applicants are looking to replace uh several um several uh uh storm storm windows, these are wood storm windows, uh so you can see them.

This is a uh set of four windows on the first floor.

Um the existing storms are uh in a fairly deteriorated state, uh so they would like to replace them with uh new storms that will match uh the dimensions of the existing ones, uh and then there are also several uh storms on the second floor.

Um we've we've had a number of windows uh that were replaced in the past by uh company uh thought thoughtful craftsmen.

Uh these the proposal is from an independent contractor who I believe uh has worked with Thoughtful Craftsmen in the past and has used some similar uh method, and uh he's uh proposing to use the achoia wood uh for the for the replacement.

So the uh the proposal is to replace storm windows on the front first floor and on the second floor, and then the new windows will be wood frame uh to match the existing, and they'll also match the color of the existing, and they'll use the you'll they'll use a quoya wood so they'll have uh uh longer durability.

Great.

Do we have the homeowners for this one?

If you could please come forward and state your name and your address thank you.

We're an easy crowd, I promise.

Thank you.

Your name and your address, please.

Leslie Lobbs, and I live at 510 McCall Street.

Thank you.

Welcome.

Thank you.

Is there anything that you'd like to add to what Charlie has already stated today?

Um no, he's done a pretty good job.

Well, we bought the house 25 years ago.

Well, it's been quite a few years.

There were never any storm windows.

So the ones upstairs, the four of them, they're windows in your closet.

So I have actually insulation in there, and then I well put window insulation over it just to keep it halfway warm.

I wasn't realizing that there was someone at a fairly decent cost that could replace the windows.

So yeah, um, the front windows are actually they don't fit at all.

They kind of pieced in some extra spots where the double bar is.

Yes, I was gonna ask about that.

Yeah, it's not a double bar.

No, there's a picture of the inside of the window.

Yep, that one yeah.

So there's a storm with the little wooden clappers that open up for those holes, and then um they fit them in with screws, so the railings don't match at all, and the other window that's darker.

Um, you have that arch.

Well, all I have in the inside of my house is styrofoam when I look out.

So yeah, it's pretty ugly.

Oh look at the windows, you see they're square and the opening is arched.

Somebody put in the square to archive.

Yeah, and how is your uh new window contractor going to handle that area?

Um he is building them, he'll be coming in and um making custom um to include that angle, yeah so then on the inside you won't have styrofoam, you'll have a window.

Yes, imagine that after 25 years.

Awesome.

Well, the one that step book that you see there here.

Yeah, so in that'll be nice.

Right, it'll go straight across and then angled.

Well, it's actually actually the middle ones will have an angle to it too.

Oh good.

See, all the that's great.

Yes.

So those corner pieces where the styrofoam won't be out, and then these actually the two on the ends are more um uh obvious that they don't fit.

The other two are kind of sort of okay, but not so are the ones on the outside for the two squares where the bars are off.

Will that be one pane or are they going to plan to put a bar to match where the other one is?

So put a bar to match where the other ones are.

So it'll be straight all the way across and even.

Perfect.

Yes.

Great.

I bet you're excited about that.

I am that's gonna look sharp.

It is.

I love the house.

Yes, it's a very nice house.

Yeah, we set out on the porch, and I can't tell you how many people have come by over the years and go, I love your porch.

Oh, that's great.

Yes, that's great.

Well, this is gonna be a beautiful upgrade for you.

Yes, I'm very happy for you.

And the aquia wood, the uh the thoughtful craftsman came to us last year and gave us a whole education on that.

Oh and it's a wonderful new process that they're doing to wood to not have it be rotting as quickly in in it, it's uh insect repellent, so it's like really good stuff.

Okay, right.

Um does anybody have any comments, thoughts, Tony?

I was just gonna say that once those storms come off.

I don't know if you need reglazing on the windows themselves, but if you while they're there, it probably would make sense to have them do that.

Yes, that's on the that's part of the plan.

So yeah.

The upper windows, like I said, it's only an old house is that you have windows in your closet.

You know, so it's kind of unique too.

Mike, no questions?

No questions.

Marty, question?

My dear, no questions, no questions.

I have no other questions other than that architectural element of this and what you guys were gonna do with that gap at the top.

Yeah, so I'm happy you're following that line.

Okay, it's gonna look great.

I think so.

Okay, so I'd love a motion for this.

Somebody would like to offer one.

I motion to approve 2603232 as proposed.

And I'll take a second.

Anybody want a second?

I'll second.

Thank you.

Aye.

I.

Aye.

Perfect.

Thank you.

So your windows have been your certificate of appropriateness has been approved.

And we're going to move on to item 25-0323, landmarks commission paint and repair grant for 510 McCall Street.

All right.

So they had two separate estimates for this.

This is for the uh the first floor uh windows for custom arch topped uh fixed to quoya windows.

That's for $5,111.

And then uh three uh three and one, I guess, uh, which comes out to a total of five thousand two hundred and six.

Uh so that's uh in total is ten thousand three hundred and eighteen dollars, uh which uh fifteen percent of of that ten thousand uh would be one thousand five hundred and forty-eight.

Yes, go ahead.

Hang on, Charlie.

We've got a brain.

Oh you doubled it up.

Oh, okay.

Um this is for the total of the arch windows.

Okay, and then uh this is for the total for the umstairs.

Oh, the three thousand two hundred and ninety-nine okay.

So it's five thousand two hundred and six uh plus three thousand two hundred and ninety-nine.

So I guess I misread that uh that total.

So that would be eight thousand five hundred about it.

Yeah, I don't have my class.

Oh, yeah, 3299.

So yeah, so total of about 8,500.

Yeah, so that uh 15 percent would be a little different.

I guess we'd have to.

I don't know if somebody can do the math on the fly here.

But we have the discretion to go higher if we want.

Yes.

Okay.

So I'm going to make a motion for $1,500 paint and repair grant for these windows, as they're doing going above and beyond just fixing, but bringing back the house to what it was meant to be.

Great.

I'll second that.

I guess just before you vote, just to have it stated, you know, for the uh the federal standards.

The um, I guess rationale that uh that I had in the you know uh that I had been considering was a storm window protects the windows underneath.

Right, which are uh we've all seen what happens when those windows are not maintained.

So how do you want me to reword that somehow?

Just so that it's out there, I guess that we have this the the standards, yeah.

Included in the motion.

So I'm gonna include the standards in your motion.

That that the windows are those storm windows are there to protect the original windows, and actually now you can see the original window because they're taking away what was blocked in the past.

Good, yep.

Awesome.

I'll take a second.

Anybody want to second that?

I'll second it.

Yeah.

I great.

Thank you so much.

Enjoy your new windows.

They're gonna look beautiful.

Okay, so we're moving on to the alderman's report.

Discussion of action of landmark?

I'm sorry.

Oh, I'm so sorry.

I missed one.

2603192, and I did have dinner, so I'm not hungry.

I'm not excused for that.

Discussion and action on 2026 landmarks awards.

Sorry, Charlie, I missed it.

That's all right.

Um, so uh we did not receive any nominations for landmarks awards.

Um I do have some ideas for you to consider in case you wanted to think about it.

Um I just want to make the point.

Every year it seems like with the landmarks awards, you somebody asks, can we you know do something?

Somebody asks, can we, you know, do something, you know, you can do whatever you want when it comes to the landmarks awards.

You can nominate something out of the blue.

You can say we don't want to do it without somebody, something having been nominated.

It's all up to you.

So the landmarks awards is really just all about us, right?

Right.

Exactly.

So the couple ideas that I had that seemed like they would uh they would probably maybe be appropriate for uh certificate of a merit.

So I guess just as a reminder, landmarks awards.

There's the uh John Shankinect award, which is sort of a um, you know, somebody that's that's done either multiple significant restoration projects or has made a tangible contribution to historic preservation in Walkershaw.

The George Gunn Award is typically a uh um yeah, full restoration of a historic property.

Um and then the landmark submission certificate of merit is something that doesn't necessarily rise to those standards but is still worthy of recognition.

Um and John Shankineck and George Gunn were both uh longtime landmarks mission members.

Uh 242 North Hartwell is I guess the first of those uh the ones that I thought might be appropriate.

This was uh um they were uh looking to repair the built-in gutters.

The gutters were very significant to the the integrity of the house.

Uh it's it's a prairie-style uh house, so the the angle of the roof is is important, and it has built-in gutters which are in were in very rough condition, and they had some different ideas of uh ways to do that that were cost effective, and ultimately they ended up uh doing a very significant uh repair project and ended and putting in uh copper um uh covers or or uh yeah, exactly to protect the gutters.

Uh now they did it over two years.

Um the other uh uh I guess idea is uh 323, or well, one of the two others is 323 McCall Street.

This is Darren and Mary Lulillian.

They had a very small uh approval last year, uh, but they've come to the landmarks commission um four or five times over the years uh for different projects.

They've replaced the roof, they repainted the house, uh they they had uh they replaced uh storm windows.

They've always been very easy to work with.

Um in both 2022 and 2023, they came uh when the landmarks commission was discussing the you know, it was the last kind of the last bits of the uh paint and repair grant fund that were available, and they in both cases got up and voluntarily said we don't need it.

Uh we'll you know, we don't you guys don't need to give us anything, we'll let it all go to the uh other projects.

Uh this past year they had a very small project, and I kind of encouraged them to apply just so that uh we could get them some money finally, and they actually sent a thank you note uh for the the paint and repair grant.

So um I th I think I had forwarded that to you guys, so hopefully you got it.

Um then the other one uh that I thought was worth suggesting is uh 132 134 West Laughlin Avenue.

Uh in this case, uh she had replaced all of the or a lot of the windows uh and had done it in such a way that uh it maintained the uh um the uh dimensions and the style of the uh of the existing windows um and then also uh replaced the porch.

So you might remember the the previous porch was a small uh smaller concrete uh not original, uh and then and this was added uh just kind of over the top of that.

Um, and it it has a is much more appropriate for the uh style of the house.

So I thought uh uh those were some significant projects that uh that were worth consideration.

And again, you all can uh there's no standards that you have to apply, it's really whatever you think is best.

Thank you, Charlie.

Do we have to decide this month or do we decide next month?

Well, typically the awards uh ceremony is in May, right?

Yeah, that the first council meeting in May.

It's that May is historic preservation month.

So it's sort of a you know, both to give out to recognize good projects and also to kind of uh celebrate historic preservation for the you know the city as a whole based on all the information and the photos provided, and I remember two of these three.

I'm not biased on any of them, but based on the scope of work and the generosity of hey, we're just letting you know what we're doing, and it was like almost the whole house was uh redone.

Uh I recommend uh the 323 McCall Street, and then uh I remember working with the 132 and 134 uh Laughlin.

Uh just a whole uh the the attention to detail on the porch, the sconces, the scones, the the features that make that house so unique considering it's two different addresses.

So uh I recommend uh 323 McCall Street uh and then uh the Laughlin Avenue project uh for some type of award based on the scope of work and how they turned out.

Uh that's my recommendation.

I definitely uh I'm on board with this one 132, 134 West Laughlin and the other ones for the combination of the generosity and the scope of the work.

Now the the question is which which one we give to who, basically.

I think we can give a merit to everybody.

I'm sorry, it could be a merit to everybody.

Yeah, that too.

You know, it doesn't have to be.

We did that last year.

Yeah, didn't we?

I I think you have done multiple uh I think multiple certificates of merit and Georgetown awards, and you know.

Okay.

Marty.

Well sorry, Mike.

No, go ahead.

Go ahead.

No, I was just saying, you know, the merit award for each three, and for exactly the reasons you went through in the presentation.

I like the uh I I would I I read about them in the paper for as long as I've lived here as a column and everything.

The I'm not gonna say isn't I I recommend uh 323 uh McCall Street for the Shukert Award.

I apologize for the name.

Um I recommend that one.

Shankanict.

That's it.

Thank you.

Okay.

I said I was not going to do well, but I recommend that one for many, many obvious reasons because he wrote so many articles about uh that scope of work and historic on it.

That's why I recommend uh that one for the 323 call street.

Great.

That makes a lot of sense.

So for the Shankonict award, we'll do that one, and then the other two can get merit awards.

Everybody's good with that.

Sure.

I'm sorry, huh?

I just want to have three motion.

Okay.

Sure.

So three, two, three.

The Shankinicked Award.

And 242 North Hartwell, and one thank you, honey.

132134 West Laughlin for the Merit Awards.

242 North Hartwell.

I'll make a motion for 242 North Hartwell Avenue, and I'll make a motion for the uh 132-134 West Laughlin for the Merit Awards and 323 McCall Street for the Shankinick Awards.

Uh so we can get this moved on for nice.

I second that.

Time in May.

Great job, team, and thank you, Charlie, for uh selecting those great examples.

Thanks, Charlie.

Aye.

I'm here.

Now we're moving on to the alderman's report.

Thank you.

In case you guys hadn't heard, I think we had an allow, I know we had an election here in the city of Woncasha.

We have two new alders and a new mayor.

The reason I bring this up is the mayor appoints uh appointments, and my appointment is up in less than a month.

In case I am no longer on this, I just want to thank you guys.

I already knew about the process, but I didn't get this uh evolved.

Uh you guys helped me get on board right away how you guys do things, and I learned a lot about the system.

I hope I can continue to serve on this.

I'm on a total of five committees and commissions, though, and that's that's too many.

So, anyways, I really really uh thank you guys for the work and all the things you guys bring to the table, and it's like you know, just when you think, oh, then someone will ask a question, like I didn't think of that.

So I'm really proud to work with you guys, and I'm uh very proud to serve with you guys uh for my turn.

So thank you.

Well, thank you.

Thank you for your time here as well as everything else you do with your four other assigned commissions.

You are far better than us.

Oh, no, it's it's the passion, it's why I do it.

Well you go passions.

We all apply our passions in different ways, and uh I love serving this city that has treated my family so well over these years.

Wonderful.

Well, thank you.

Okay, and we're moving on to the springs report.

So I uh have not had time to uh really do much uh related to the springs.

It's been a very busy month, unfortunately.

Um I do tentatively, I guess uh uh I was looking at um May 30th for the the uh springs cleanup.

We'd like to do it in May if possible, and that seems like the best uh weekend that uh that would work for that.

Um I've contacted the uh parks department about uh whether their volunteer trailer is available.

Um I still need to uh contact them about uh um about Hobo Spring and getting that cleaned up and seeing what's what they can what they can and can't do there.

So uh that hopefully I will have uh more uh more updates on that for the next meeting.

Sounds good.

Moving on to communications and publications.

Uh the only one that I have is uh the uh WAPAC conference, which is so that's a smaller uh conference than the one in the fall uh that's put on by the State Historical Society.

WAPAC is the Wisconsin Association of Historic Preservation Commissions.

Uh so they have uh their conference April 23rd and 24th in Sturgeon Bay.

Um there's also a I believe it's a one-day conference in June uh in Fond du Lac.

That's it's called CAMP.

It's commissioner assistance mentoring program, I think is what it stands for.

And that's it's uh sort of a kind of a one-day training on you know all the standards that uh historic preservation commissions uh are um supposed to apply.

Uh I know Linda had asked me to forward the information and I had forgotten to send that as well.

Again, sorry, it's been a very busy month.

Um but uh I I'll get that out to you uh probably hopefully tomorrow.

Awesome.

When is that one scheduled?

The the one in Fond du Lac is I think it's in June.

I I have to check that again.

Okay.

Great.

Thank you.

Anything else, Charlie?

That's it.

Okay.

Anyone else have anything else?

Comments, questions, concerns?

Thank you, everyone.

This meeting is adjourned.